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"Just another kick in the teeth for the British people! That labour are funding rental deals to house illegal migrants. With deals of 5 years guaranteed payment to landlords." well lots guessed starmer would say anything to get into power and once in he would go back on his word and do even less to get them out of the country than the last lot tried to do,, | |||
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"Only way to stop the boats is as soon as they leave French waters we puncture the boat and dump them back!" Are you actually advocating drowning peope? | |||
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"Only way to stop the boats is as soon as they leave French waters we puncture the boat and dump them back!" When a person says something like this I do not think they see them as people. | |||
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"Thatcher gave council tenants the right to buy. The problem was that councils sold their properties but didn’t build new stocks, in part because there wasn’t land to build on. " 75% of RTB sale proceeds had to go back to government to repay central govt loans. That’s the core reason, but we did not have the housing problems then. House prices were 3 times income in 1980, 5.6 times in 2000, and 8.5 times today. I don’t buy the land shortage argument. 68% of UK dwellings are houses with gardens. Why not build flats. | |||
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"Only way to stop the boats is as soon as they leave French waters we puncture the boat and dump them back! When a person says something like this I do not think they see them as people." I have little sympathy for them most are not fleeing wars. They throw away their passports lie about their age sexually etc. They have passed through safe countries so why don't they claim asylum there. They know their get accommodated dental care doctors on tap coming to the uk. | |||
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"And the fairy tale ends when these poor souls get here. There but for the grace of God go any one of us. " Our message was directed at you, so you know. | |||
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"Only way to stop the boats is as soon as they leave French waters we puncture the boat and dump them back!" Tf is wrong with you? They’re still human beings… | |||
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"Just another kick in the teeth for the British people! That labour are funding rental deals to house illegal migrants. With deals of 5 years guaranteed payment to landlords." It’s not just Labour. All governments have been doing it for years (and I would guess SNP in Scotland as well)- washing it through charities and other orgs so that the general public don’t find out. I discovered it about a year ago when someone I know approached me for an investment opportunity that was essentially guaranteed but it had to be done via a set up that I wasn’t happy with. Essentially you buy a large house, switch to HMO status and then they guarantee you an income on each room, they will pay _all_ the bills and will totally renovate the house before handing it back completely new at the end of the guaranteed tenancy on all the rooms. | |||
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"Just another kick in the teeth for the British people! That labour are funding rental deals to house illegal migrants. With deals of 5 years guaranteed payment to landlords. It’s not just Labour. All governments have been doing it for years (and I would guess SNP in Scotland as well)- washing it through charities and other orgs so that the general public don’t find out. I discovered it about a year ago when someone I know approached me for an investment opportunity that was essentially guaranteed but it had to be done via a set up that I wasn’t happy with. Essentially you buy a large house, switch to HMO status and then they guarantee you an income on each room, they will pay _all_ the bills and will totally renovate the house before handing it back completely new at the end of the guaranteed tenancy on all the rooms." The registered charities (one big one in bournemouth) add a large fee to the weekly rent Iro £70-100 per week for ‘support’ and their ‘services’ managing the property that is not theirs. | |||
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"Just another kick in the teeth for the British people! That labour are funding rental deals to house illegal migrants. With deals of 5 years guaranteed payment to landlords. It’s not just Labour. All governments have been doing it for years (and I would guess SNP in Scotland as well)- washing it through charities and other orgs so that the general public don’t find out. I discovered it about a year ago when someone I know approached me for an investment opportunity that was essentially guaranteed but it had to be done via a set up that I wasn’t happy with. Essentially you buy a large house, switch to HMO status and then they guarantee you an income on each room, they will pay _all_ the bills and will totally renovate the house before handing it back completely new at the end of the guaranteed tenancy on all the rooms." The governments of all colours have sold off 2.4 million council houses and flats at one time discounts on right to buy. The reduction of council housing correlates to the growth of private rented housing, and this is another part of that. | |||
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"Only way to stop the boats is as soon as they leave French waters we puncture the boat and dump them back! Tf is wrong with you? They’re still human beings… " they're not this countrys though | |||
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"Just another kick in the teeth for the British people! That labour are funding rental deals to house illegal migrants. With deals of 5 years guaranteed payment to landlords. It’s not just Labour. All governments have been doing it for years (and I would guess SNP in Scotland as well)- washing it through charities and other orgs so that the general public don’t find out. I discovered it about a year ago when someone I know approached me for an investment opportunity that was essentially guaranteed but it had to be done via a set up that I wasn’t happy with. Essentially you buy a large house, switch to HMO status and then they guarantee you an income on each room, they will pay _all_ the bills and will totally renovate the house before handing it back completely new at the end of the guaranteed tenancy on all the rooms." It’s a rent - to rent - to rent model Owner by mortgage - housing assn - tenant | |||
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"Only way to stop the boats is as soon as they leave French waters we puncture the boat and dump them back! Tf is wrong with you? They’re still human beings… they're not this countrys though" No, but for balance the uk made 2 million homeless in Iraq and the RAF ran 50 sortees for Israel last year identifying targets for them to bomb, another 2 million homeless there as well | |||
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"Only way to stop the boats is as soon as they leave French waters we puncture the boat and dump them back! Tf is wrong with you? They’re still human beings… " Trying to break in to our country Bet you wouldn't say the same if they broke into your house. | |||
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"Only way to stop the boats is as soon as they leave French waters we puncture the boat and dump them back! Tf is wrong with you? They’re still human beings… they're not this countrys though" Exactly this It's their country's responsibility not ours. | |||
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"Just another kick in the teeth for the British people! That labour are funding rental deals to house illegal migrants. With deals of 5 years guaranteed payment to landlords." At least Labour is spending the money in the UK. The Tories have given £500 million to France to - er "Stop the Boats" and £318 million to the Rwandan government in preparation of sending exactly no one there. And who exactly would be puncturing these boats because they would be committing a serious crime if not multiple murders. | |||
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"Just another kick in the teeth for the British people! That labour are funding rental deals to house illegal migrants. With deals of 5 years guaranteed payment to landlords. At least Labour is spending the money in the UK. The Tories have given £500 million to France to - er "Stop the Boats" and £318 million to the Rwandan government in preparation of sending exactly no one there. And who exactly would be puncturing these boats because they would be committing a serious crime if not multiple murders. " 11% of uk rental properties are owned by overseas landlords; that includes 18% of rental homes in London, and 14% of rental homes in the east of England. No idea where they pay their taxes. | |||
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"Only way to stop the boats is as soon as they leave French waters we puncture the boat and dump them back! Tf is wrong with you? They’re still human beings… they're not this countrys though No, but for balance the uk made 2 million homeless in Iraq and the RAF ran 50 sortees for Israel last year identifying targets for them to bomb, another 2 million homeless there as well " well if hamas hadnt of fucked aroind the Palestinians wouldnt of found out,the lesson they need to learn is dont take a knife to a gunfight | |||
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"Just another kick in the teeth for the British people! That labour are funding rental deals to house illegal migrants. With deals of 5 years guaranteed payment to landlords. At least Labour is spending the money in the UK. The Tories have given £500 million to France to - er "Stop the Boats" and £318 million to the Rwandan government in preparation of sending exactly no one there. And who exactly would be puncturing these boats because they would be committing a serious crime if not multiple murders. 11% of uk rental properties are owned by overseas landlords; that includes 18% of rental homes in London, and 14% of rental homes in the east of England. No idea where they pay their taxes. " So 89% of rented properties have UK based landlords who pay UK tax. Rental income on UK properties owned by foreign landlords living overseas is taxed at source and paid to the UK government. My post was to point out to the OP that the previous government's track record was to pay large sums to foreign governments and get apparently nothing in return. | |||
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"Poor souls ? Are you mad ? They are economic migrants Nothing else. It's deluded idiots like you that cause this country to have the issues it has. I bet you are a flag waving, let them in, we should house them person. But if I asked you if you would house them, you don't have enough......fill in the blanks." I watched a video from a guy he had a cameraman with him at a rally welcoming immigrants he asked people could you take a immigrant in your home and every single person said oh I rent or I don't have the room😂😂 | |||
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"Only way to stop the boats is as soon as they leave French waters we puncture the boat and dump them back! Tf is wrong with you? They’re still human beings… they're not this countrys though No, but for balance the uk made 2 million homeless in Iraq and the RAF ran 50 sortees for Israel last year identifying targets for them to bomb, another 2 million homeless there as well well if hamas hadnt of fucked aroind the Palestinians wouldnt of found out,the lesson they need to learn is dont take a knife to a gunfight " Perfect answer | |||
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"Stop the dehumanising language. Irregular migration is not a crime. People who have applied for asylum have a legal status." maybe you can give a room to a couple then? | |||
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"Just another kick in the teeth for the British people! That labour are funding rental deals to house illegal migrants. With deals of 5 years guaranteed payment to landlords. At least Labour is spending the money in the UK. The Tories have given £500 million to France to - er "Stop the Boats" and £318 million to the Rwandan government in preparation of sending exactly no one there. And who exactly would be puncturing these boats because they would be committing a serious crime if not multiple murders. 11% of uk rental properties are owned by overseas landlords; that includes 18% of rental homes in London, and 14% of rental homes in the east of England. No idea where they pay their taxes. So 89% of rented properties have UK based landlords who pay UK tax. Rental income on UK properties owned by foreign landlords living overseas is taxed at source and paid to the UK government. My post was to point out to the OP that the previous government's track record was to pay large sums to foreign governments and get apparently nothing in return." my point is landlords are going to rent out properties to illegal immigrants rather than hard working British people. People who have paid taxes etc! | |||
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"Irregular migration is not a crime." Yes it is. Entering the country by any means other than approved entry points is a crime. | |||
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"Only way to stop the boats is as soon as they leave French waters we puncture the boat and dump them back! Tf is wrong with you? They’re still human beings… they're not this countrys though No, but for balance the uk made 2 million homeless in Iraq and the RAF ran 50 sortees for Israel last year identifying targets for them to bomb, another 2 million homeless there as well well if hamas hadnt of fucked aroind the Palestinians wouldnt of found out,the lesson they need to learn is dont take a knife to a gunfight " Israel have been doing this to Palestine since before Hamas even existed… this segregation and genocides been going on since 1948, Hamas came about in 1987 | |||
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"What blows my mind is when people of colour are attracted to racist men, ideologies of facists" Like Erdogan, Mugabe and many Indian, Chinese and Japanese politicians, who still have race, culture, caste or colour based prejudices? Are people of colour incapable of being fascists or racist? Or is this solely seen through a western lens? You, yourself, say that you're "exclusively into" South Asian women. You probably do not see yourself as racist, but some people would argue that one is, if one said "I only like white women" (this topic has been debated on these forums). | |||
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"A friend of mine was in the military for 18 years. When he left he had to leave his military accommodation. He is suffering from ptsd and is homeless. He fought for our country and gets absolutely nothing. Contribute nothing to this country . Illegally come over and we’ll give you a great hotel room or a house to live in. It beggars belief doesn’t it !!!" “ Army families suing the Ministry of Defence over the squalor of their living quarters are being issued with “bullying” ultimatums to drop the claims or face having their pay docked to cover the legal costs. Documents obtained by the Guardian suggest the threat of further financial pain amid a deepening cost of living crisis is being exploited by government lawyers to keep compensation cases out of court.” No hotels for them (guardian nov 2022) | |||
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"Poor souls ? Are you mad ? They are economic migrants Nothing else. It's deluded idiots like you that cause this country to have the issues it has. I bet you are a flag waving, let them in, we should house them person. But if I asked you if you would house them, you don't have enough......fill in the blanks." I think you will find that people on boats are not the underlying reason for the countries ill. You may be better looking at the political ineptitude of the Conservative government (not a swipe at all Con Govs's for the record, some have been good in general for the country) the brexit vote and the lack of managing a situation and our and western givernemvets forgien policy that made these peope homeless. You will never stop economic migrants, that's why our population go to Oz, Canada, Nz and the ilk. Enjoy yourself. | |||
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"Only way to stop the boats is as soon as they leave French waters we puncture the boat and dump them back! When a person says something like this I do not think they see them as people. I have little sympathy for them most are not fleeing wars. They throw away their passports lie about their age sexually etc. They have passed through safe countries so why don't they claim asylum there. They know their get accommodated dental care doctors on tap coming to the uk." So that makes it ok for them to drown, mmmm makes no sense. | |||
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"A friend of mine was in the military for 18 years. When he left he had to leave his military accommodation. He is suffering from ptsd and is homeless. He fought for our country and gets absolutely nothing. Contribute nothing to this country . Illegally come over and we’ll give you a great hotel room or a house to live in. It beggars belief doesn’t it !!!" I do not think you're being factual, as a worker who has supported others I came across many soldiers who I referred to mental health services, housing, kitting out accommodation etc. There was a time soldiers were left out in the cold but when the public discovered it, the government put rules into place when coming across ex forces that went from the top DWP to the bottom local charities. So if you come across your friend tell them there is a world of real support for ex military. | |||
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"At the end of the day it is government who are responsible for immigration and if the voter isn't happy with the progress, then blame the government why because they are in charge not migrants." and that's the problem it doesn't matter what party is in government they don't do what we the public want. | |||
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"What blows my mind is when people of colour are attracted to racist men, ideologies of facists Like Erdogan, Mugabe and many Indian, Chinese and Japanese politicians, who still have race, culture, caste or colour based prejudices? Are people of colour incapable of being fascists or racist? Or is this solely seen through a western lens? You, yourself, say that you're "exclusively into" South Asian women. You probably do not see yourself as racist, but some people would argue that one is, if one said "I only like white women" (this topic has been debated on these forums)." your find alot of people don't believe if your white you can suffer racism. | |||
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"The fact that most of (if not all of) those who enter this country illegally, have done so after crossing through other safe destinations. They will camp in France for weeks and months, waiting for a way across the English Channel, to the land of milk and honey (our ridiculous benefits system). Here they get accommodation, spending money, and free health care, education etc. There has been many benefit reforms in recent years, none of them have addressed issues posed by illegal immigration…" The benefits system may be ridiculous say, however these people who come here as migrants cannot work, have to as I believe stay in accommodation provided (I've been in some of these hotels, they are not easy places to live) and recieve no benefits that the UK citizen is open too. We have a declining working population and an ageing population on state pension. It is fact that the number of heads working is decreasing in relation to the number of heads on pensions. It makes perfect sense to bring younger and fitter men from overseas here to help support the infrastructure of the UK long term. Be careful what you wish for. | |||
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"At the end of the day it is government who are responsible for immigration and if the voter isn't happy with the progress, then blame the government why because they are in charge not migrants. and that's the problem it doesn't matter what party is in government they don't do what we the public want." This argument that the government is not doing what the public wants is not a lie, so why blame migrants blame the government you have stated why they should be blamed. I suggest you find others who have your views and lobby your local M.P they will not listen, but the M.P has 4 years, so you spend those 4 years organising the M.Ps removal it sends the ultimate message party wide. | |||
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"The fact that most of (if not all of) those who enter this country illegally, have done so after crossing through other safe destinations. They will camp in France for weeks and months, waiting for a way across the English Channel, to the land of milk and honey (our ridiculous benefits system). Here they get accommodation, spending money, and free health care, education etc. There has been many benefit reforms in recent years, none of them have addressed issues posed by illegal immigration… The benefits system may be ridiculous say, however these people who come here as migrants cannot work, have to as I believe stay in accommodation provided (I've been in some of these hotels, they are not easy places to live) and recieve no benefits that the UK citizen is open too. We have a declining working population and an ageing population on state pension. It is fact that the number of heads working is decreasing in relation to the number of heads on pensions. It makes perfect sense to bring younger and fitter men from overseas here to help support the infrastructure of the UK long term. Be careful what you wish for." As I understand it there are perfectly legal ways for people to come and work here already without using the small boats crossing and arriving illegally | |||
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"They will camp in France for weeks and months, waiting for a way across the English Channel" Because, here's some examples. Because of having family in the UK. Because of being able to speak English but not French. Because of believing that Britain is a good country. Because of having applied to join family in the UK but Home Office delays left little choice but to spend thousands of euros on the dangerous small boat crossing. The UK is still a rule of law country the supports the refugee conventions and human rights. Thank goodness for that. | |||
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"They will camp in France for weeks and months, waiting for a way across the English Channel Because, here's some examples. Because of having family in the UK. Because of being able to speak English but not French. Because of believing that Britain is a good country. Because of having applied to join family in the UK but Home Office delays left little choice but to spend thousands of euros on the dangerous small boat crossing. The UK is still a rule of law country the supports the refugee conventions and human rights. Thank goodness for that." Do you genuinely believe this well worn trope, despite overwhelming evidence that economic migration is the primary driver of illegal channel crossings? | |||
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"The fact that most of (if not all of) those who enter this country illegally, have done so after crossing through other safe destinations. They will camp in France for weeks and months, waiting for a way across the English Channel, to the land of milk and honey (our ridiculous benefits system). Here they get accommodation, spending money, and free health care, education etc. There has been many benefit reforms in recent years, none of them have addressed issues posed by illegal immigration…" Bollocks spun by daily express and reform types. These people don't get half of what the media would have you believe | |||
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"They will camp in France for weeks and months, waiting for a way across the English Channel" "Because, here's some examples. Because of having family in the UK. Because of being able to speak English but not French. Because of believing that Britain is a good country. Because of having applied to join family in the UK but Home Office delays left little choice but to spend thousands of euros on the dangerous small boat crossing. The UK is still a rule of law country the supports the refugee conventions and human rights. Thank goodness for that." All of those are good reasons why a migrant might want to come to the UK. None of them are good reasons why the UK should accept that migrant. More importantly, none of them are considerations in the Refugee Convention. | |||
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"It would be cheaper to put them on a cruise ship and return them to their countries. They should be rebuilding their countries. After decades of migrants entering this country illegally some committing serious crime while here, this country is still in an economic mess. We keep getting told they are helping the economy, something is not adding up. There are plenty of unemployed here already. " They have increased the load on every aspect of the welfare state | |||
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"People having a pop at economic migrants who are prepared to risk their lives to get here. Must be pretty desperate to contemplate doing that kind of thing imo What would you do in their shoes? Why should people from the Global South etc continue to be exploited so the developed countries live their artificially inflated lifestyles at their expense? Should be working more towards reducing global inequality, thus reducing the reasons for economic migration, not doing things like reducing foreign aid!" Why should the UK accept anyone who has broken the laws of the land to be here? Why should the UK accept individuals who’ve entered the country illegally? The strain on our economy and public services is clear across the UK and most of Europe. I’m genuinely interested in your point about reducing global inequality, what do you think that involves for it to succeed? | |||
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" Why should the UK accept anyone who has broken the laws of the land to be here? Why should the UK accept individuals who’ve entered the country illegally? The strain on our economy and public services is clear across the UK and most of Europe. I’m genuinely interested in your point about reducing global inequality, what do you think that involves for it to succeed?" You should see the long list of other countries the UK entered & plundered & on which a lot of its wealth was accrued. …& in the modern post colonial era, rich countries have effectively drained the global south of upwards of $150 trillion since 1960. Then you have displacement through wars, some of which has been cause through western aggression, Iraq, Libya etc Climate change is increasingly another factor in people wanting to move, primarily caused by the longest industrialised richer countries. …and you are wondering why these people want a piece of the action? Maybe just maybe they have had enough? | |||
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" Why should the UK accept anyone who has broken the laws of the land to be here? Why should the UK accept individuals who’ve entered the country illegally? The strain on our economy and public services is clear across the UK and most of Europe. I’m genuinely interested in your point about reducing global inequality, what do you think that involves for it to succeed? You should see the long list of other countries the UK entered & plundered & on which a lot of its wealth was accrued. …& in the modern post colonial era, rich countries have effectively drained the global south of upwards of $150 trillion since 1960. Then you have displacement through wars, some of which has been cause through western aggression, Iraq, Libya etc Climate change is increasingly another factor in people wanting to move, primarily caused by the longest industrialised richer countries. …and you are wondering why these people want a piece of the action? Maybe just maybe they have had enough? " You are using historic actions and events to justify ripping up our legal system and border controls. That argument doesn’t stand up either practically or morally. Every country regardless of its history, has the sovereign right to control immigration and protect its infrastructure, because no nation can survive if anyone who feels unfairly treated by the "past" is allowed to bypass the law and settle wherever they like. We have hundreds of thousands of people living in the UK who entered illegally, alongside many thousands more whose whereabouts are unknown, it estimated that 1 in 100 (745K) people are in the UK illegally. We do not have the infrastructure or financial means to absorb this without negative impact on the legal residents of the country. The rule of law must apply to everyone or they apply to no one. | |||
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" You are using historic actions and events to justify ripping up our legal system and border controls. That argument doesn’t stand up either practically or morally. Every country regardless of its history, has the sovereign right to control immigration and protect its infrastructure, because no nation can survive if anyone who feels unfairly treated by the "past" is allowed to bypass the law and settle wherever they like. We have hundreds of thousands of people living in the UK who entered illegally, alongside many thousands more whose whereabouts are unknown, it estimated that 1 in 100 (745K) people are in the UK illegally. We do not have the infrastructure or financial means to absorb this without negative impact on the legal residents of the country. The rule of law must apply to everyone or they apply to no one." Well the current system of shoring up the ramparts in an attempt to preserve what we have & our inflated standards of living at the expense of those less fortunate is going well isn’t it? I can only see it getting worse tbh The whole concept of ‘boarders’ & lines drawn on maps is pretty insane if you think about it. My rationale is one species, one planet & if that kind of thinking was more mainstream, I’ll guarantee you there would be a lot less global inequality. | |||
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" You are using historic actions and events to justify ripping up our legal system and border controls. That argument doesn’t stand up either practically or morally. Every country regardless of its history, has the sovereign right to control immigration and protect its infrastructure, because no nation can survive if anyone who feels unfairly treated by the "past" is allowed to bypass the law and settle wherever they like. We have hundreds of thousands of people living in the UK who entered illegally, alongside many thousands more whose whereabouts are unknown, it estimated that 1 in 100 (745K) people are in the UK illegally. We do not have the infrastructure or financial means to absorb this without negative impact on the legal residents of the country. The rule of law must apply to everyone or they apply to no one. Well the current system of shoring up the ramparts in an attempt to preserve what we have & our inflated standards of living at the expense of those less fortunate is going well isn’t it? I can only see it getting worse tbh The whole concept of ‘boarders’ & lines drawn on maps is pretty insane if you think about it. My rationale is one species, one planet & if that kind of thinking was more mainstream, I’ll guarantee you there would be a lot less global inequality." You’re describing is an ideology, not a rationale. As an ideology, “one species, one planet” sounds right, but as a rational model it fails because it is ignoring the demands on infrastructure, governance, and human nature. A world without borders would create dead zones where the poorest would struggle to survive, while the wealthy would live in protected environments, exactly what is already happening. The West has stretched services and crumbling infrastructure under the pressure of unmanaged migration. However, inflight projects like the Saudi Arabian NEOM mega city show us how the rich will protect themselves when nations have lost control of the basics. | |||
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"The whole concept of ‘boarders’ & lines drawn on maps is pretty insane if you think about it." Not really. Looking out of my window I can see two seagulls squabbling with each other over who 'owns' the chimney of the house next door. The concept of "this is my space, you go find your own" is much older than humans. What sounds much more insane is the idea that we can declare one world with no borders, and that people will mix and live alongside each other happily. Have you never seen the way that people behave? | |||
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" You’re describing is an ideology, not a rationale. As an ideology, “one species, one planet” sounds right, but as a rational model it fails because it is ignoring the demands on infrastructure, governance, and human nature. A world without borders would create dead zones where the poorest would struggle to survive, while the wealthy would live in protected environments, exactly what is already happening. The West has stretched services and crumbling infrastructure under the pressure of unmanaged migration. However, inflight projects like the Saudi Arabian NEOM mega city show us how the rich will protect themselves when nations have lost control of the basics. " Well the irony of the current system is the poorest already struggle to survive so what have they got to lose? This is basically a case of chickens coming home to roost. You can exploit the poor of the world for so long & then they start taking things more directly into their own hands. I agree about protected environments & the rich. Plenty of weapons accessible to the hoi polloi though if it comes to that. And there are a lot more of us. | |||
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"The whole concept of ‘boarders’ & lines drawn on maps is pretty insane if you think about it. Not really. Looking out of my window I can see two seagulls squabbling with each other over who 'owns' the chimney of the house next door. The concept of "this is my space, you go find your own" is much older than humans. What sounds much more insane is the idea that we can declare one world with no borders, and that people will mix and live alongside each other happily. Have you never seen the way that people behave?" It’s an objective viewpoint. Boarders aren’t for the greater good of humanity as a whole. They cause lots of issues. Having to wave a piece of paper to cross an artificial man made line drawn on the globe is completely ludicrous. | |||
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" You’re describing is an ideology, not a rationale. As an ideology, “one species, one planet” sounds right, but as a rational model it fails because it is ignoring the demands on infrastructure, governance, and human nature. A world without borders would create dead zones where the poorest would struggle to survive, while the wealthy would live in protected environments, exactly what is already happening. The West has stretched services and crumbling infrastructure under the pressure of unmanaged migration. However, inflight projects like the Saudi Arabian NEOM mega city show us how the rich will protect themselves when nations have lost control of the basics. Well the irony of the current system is the poorest already struggle to survive so what have they got to lose? This is basically a case of chickens coming home to roost. You can exploit the poor of the world for so long & then they start taking things more directly into their own hands. I agree about protected environments & the rich. Plenty of weapons accessible to the hoi polloi though if it comes to that. And there are a lot more of us. " Two things come to mind. I watched a 3 part documentary called billion dollar deals and how they changed the world, first part referred to the Stockmarket, part 2 referred to corn syrup. part 3 referred to data harvesting, whilst watching that episode a man was interviewed whilst being interviewed he was driving through a forest and stopped in the middle of nowhere and showed the documentary maker drawings of a bunker he was building at the site they had stopped at. The man being interviewed explained he is very wealthy and he and others who are wealthy worried about us coming for them so they had started to build bunkers or silos to escape to when we came for them, the man I now know as Elon musk. Second thought and I have stated this before, when looking at the earth from space there are no boarders, boarders are a man made concept, capture a piece of land trap the people on it between false lines on a piece of paper, make them work and pay taxes bobs your uncle, you are mine till you wake up and take your power back. | |||
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" You’re describing is an ideology, not a rationale. As an ideology, “one species, one planet” sounds right, but as a rational model it fails because it is ignoring the demands on infrastructure, governance, and human nature. A world without borders would create dead zones where the poorest would struggle to survive, while the wealthy would live in protected environments, exactly what is already happening. The West has stretched services and crumbling infrastructure under the pressure of unmanaged migration. However, inflight projects like the Saudi Arabian NEOM mega city show us how the rich will protect themselves when nations have lost control of the basics. Well the irony of the current system is the poorest already struggle to survive so what have they got to lose? This is basically a case of chickens coming home to roost. You can exploit the poor of the world for so long & then they start taking things more directly into their own hands. I agree about protected environments & the rich. Plenty of weapons accessible to the hoi polloi though if it comes to that. And there are a lot more of us. " Give me an example of the poor you’re referring to, and I will likely show you countries with corrupt and incompetent governments. People should be fixing their countries, not abandoning them to jump on the metaphorical gravy train. For me, it’s simple, if you break the law to enter this country, you should be turned away no exceptions. Our responsibility should be to stabilise our own country first, and when we exceed our needs we should then consider helping others, but not until. | |||
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"Second thought and I have stated this before, when looking at the earth from space there are no boarders, boarders are a man made concept, capture a piece of land trap the people on it between false lines on a piece of paper, make them work and pay taxes bobs your uncle, you are mine till you wake up and take your power back." Borders allow for prosperity, innovation and a sense of being. If we didn't have borders there would have been no USSR or USA, which would have meant no space race that resulted in you being able to look back at earth from space. Let's be honest and direct, the 1951 refugee convention is outdated and is allowing people to play the system. If that continues to happen our infrastructure along with the rest of Europe will collapse further, nobody comes out of that well, except China and Russia. Simple solution is to rewrite the refugee convention to remove the loopholes from 74 years ago, and ensure it provides protections for those that really need it. | |||
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"Second thought and I have stated this before, when looking at the earth from space there are no boarders, boarders are a man made concept, capture a piece of land trap the people on it between false lines on a piece of paper, make them work and pay taxes bobs your uncle, you are mine till you wake up and take your power back. Borders allow for prosperity, innovation and a sense of being. If we didn't have borders there would have been no USSR or USA, which would have meant no space race that resulted in you being able to look back at earth from space. Let's be honest and direct, the 1951 refugee convention is outdated and is allowing people to play the system. If that continues to happen our infrastructure along with the rest of Europe will collapse further, nobody comes out of that well, except China and Russia. Simple solution is to rewrite the refugee convention to remove the loopholes from 74 years ago, and ensure it provides protections for those that really need it. " Boarders mean nothing of the sort. If humans wanted to go to space boarders would have nothing to do with it. Do not need boarders for economic wealth. Boarders means this to me, Putin has captured land yes? Putin now holds power over this land and the people both are captured, he will put these people to work like it or not, they will pay taxes, they have no choice because they are caught up behind a drawn line on a piece of paper. | |||
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" Give me an example of the poor you’re referring to, and I will likely show you countries with corrupt and incompetent governments. People should be fixing their countries, not abandoning them to jump on the metaphorical gravy train. For me, it’s simple, if you break the law to enter this country, you should be turned away no exceptions. Our responsibility should be to stabilise our own country first, and when we exceed our needs we should then consider helping others, but not until." Corrupt governments maybe, but corrupted by whom? The West propping up dodgy regimes in order to enable continued capitalist exploitation of resources? https://youtube.com/shorts/Y9fhDKjhQD0?si=1rtms3rZHkxUogE9 | |||
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"Borders are important, for the advancement of humanity. The human race is made up of many phenotypes, we don’t just look different, we speak different languages, play different music, dance, play and act differently. All of our different cultures should be preserved, and passed down from the generations throughout time, and written into our own histories. Let us celebrate everything that makes us different, is that too much to ask? Political correctness has a lot to answer for!" Are you saying that I am politically correct? If so due to not believing in imagined lines on a piece of paper then being told I cannot travel over those lines without another piece of paper is as another poster noted a stupid concept and can only be up held through deception and fear. English will still be English as would French polish Australian the only change would be real freedom of movement. | |||
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" Give me an example of the poor you’re referring to, and I will likely show you countries with corrupt and incompetent governments. People should be fixing their countries, not abandoning them to jump on the metaphorical gravy train. For me, it’s simple, if you break the law to enter this country, you should be turned away no exceptions. Our responsibility should be to stabilise our own country first, and when we exceed our needs we should then consider helping others, but not until. Corrupt governments maybe, but corrupted by whom? The West propping up dodgy regimes in order to enable continued capitalist exploitation of resources? https://youtube.com/shorts/Y9fhDKjhQD0?si=1rtms3rZHkxUogE9 " Whether corruption is internal or externally influenced, the answer is the same, staying and fixing it is the only path to change. Poland and India two very different countries that faced major corruption and instability, yet turned themselves around because people chose to invest, rebuild, and reform, not abandon ship. We are drifting off topic slightly.. We can't afford to continue to pay billions on housing immigrants that have decided to enter the country illegally. This government and the last have not managed to contain the problem and we are haemorrhaging money we simply do not have. There is no answer to this issue as long as we are a participant in the outdated refugee convention. | |||
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"Only way to stop the boats is as soon as they leave French waters we puncture the boat and dump them back!" Disgusting vile comment. | |||
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" Give me an example of the poor you’re referring to, and I will likely show you countries with corrupt and incompetent governments. People should be fixing their countries, not abandoning them to jump on the metaphorical gravy train. For me, it’s simple, if you break the law to enter this country, you should be turned away no exceptions. Our responsibility should be to stabilise our own country first, and when we exceed our needs we should then consider helping others, but not until. Corrupt governments maybe, but corrupted by whom? The West propping up dodgy regimes in order to enable continued capitalist exploitation of resources? https://youtube.com/shorts/Y9fhDKjhQD0?si=1rtms3rZHkxUogE9 Whether corruption is internal or externally influenced, the answer is the same, staying and fixing it is the only path to change. Poland and India two very different countries that faced major corruption and instability, yet turned themselves around because people chose to invest, rebuild, and reform, not abandon ship. We are drifting off topic slightly.. We can't afford to continue to pay billions on housing immigrants that have decided to enter the country illegally. This government and the last have not managed to contain the problem and we are haemorrhaging money we simply do not have. There is no answer to this issue as long as we are a participant in the outdated refugee convention. " Your fourth paragraph hits the nail on the head, it is the government who is at fault. From what I know governments skim off the top and this migration situation were more and more cash is being spent and skimmed is an ideal situation for M.P's the perfect cover, that's why we have this situation and why it will continue. How do we stop this vote in the monster raving looney party, why we already vote for such parties so we might as well be true to ourselves and vote the real ones in. | |||
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" Give me an example of the poor you’re referring to, and I will likely show you countries with corrupt and incompetent governments. People should be fixing their countries, not abandoning them to jump on the metaphorical gravy train. For me, it’s simple, if you break the law to enter this country, you should be turned away no exceptions. Our responsibility should be to stabilise our own country first, and when we exceed our needs we should then consider helping others, but not until. Corrupt governments maybe, but corrupted by whom? The West propping up dodgy regimes in order to enable continued capitalist exploitation of resources? https://youtube.com/shorts/Y9fhDKjhQD0?si=1rtms3rZHkxUogE9 Whether corruption is internal or externally influenced, the answer is the same, staying and fixing it is the only path to change. Poland and India two very different countries that faced major corruption and instability, yet turned themselves around because people chose to invest, rebuild, and reform, not abandon ship. We are drifting off topic slightly.. We can't afford to continue to pay billions on housing immigrants that have decided to enter the country illegally. This government and the last have not managed to contain the problem and we are haemorrhaging money we simply do not have. There is no answer to this issue as long as we are a participant in the outdated refugee convention. Your fourth paragraph hits the nail on the head, it is the government who is at fault. From what I know governments skim off the top and this migration situation were more and more cash is being spent and skimmed is an ideal situation for M.P's the perfect cover, that's why we have this situation and why it will continue. How do we stop this vote in the monster raving looney party, why we already vote for such parties so we might as well be true to ourselves and vote the real ones in." The government I don’t think can skim off the top of but they have awarded the housing contracts to three major providers. One of them, Serco, is now reaching out to private landlords offering them above market rent for five year contracts - in effect pricing out other rental tenants. Another, Clearsprings has made £180 million profits from housing migrants over the last three years. A money merry go round, a rent to rent to rent business model. And many landlords exiting due to section 24 mortgage interest relief being capped at basic rate, which has led to residential property (incorporated) companies being set up to circumvent this, which on reading up appears to be the largest sector of company incorporations currently outstripped all other types of business. You could not make this up | |||
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"Only way to stop the boats is as soon as they leave French waters we puncture the boat and dump them back! Tf is wrong with you? They’re still human beings… they're not this countrys though No, but for balance the uk made 2 million homeless in Iraq and the RAF ran 50 sortees for Israel last year identifying targets for them to bomb, another 2 million homeless there as well well if hamas hadnt of fucked aroind the Palestinians wouldnt of found out,the lesson they need to learn is dont take a knife to a gunfight " I suggest you go and watch 'No other land' on Channel 4 and Louis Theroux's latest Documentary 'Settlers' on BBC iplayer before writing such nonsense. | |||
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" Give me an example of the poor you’re referring to, and I will likely show you countries with corrupt and incompetent governments. People should be fixing their countries, not abandoning them to jump on the metaphorical gravy train. For me, it’s simple, if you break the law to enter this country, you should be turned away no exceptions. Our responsibility should be to stabilise our own country first, and when we exceed our needs we should then consider helping others, but not until. Corrupt governments maybe, but corrupted by whom? The West propping up dodgy regimes in order to enable continued capitalist exploitation of resources? https://youtube.com/shorts/Y9fhDKjhQD0?si=1rtms3rZHkxUogE9 Whether corruption is internal or externally influenced, the answer is the same, staying and fixing it is the only path to change. Poland and India two very different countries that faced major corruption and instability, yet turned themselves around because people chose to invest, rebuild, and reform, not abandon ship. We are drifting off topic slightly.. We can't afford to continue to pay billions on housing immigrants that have decided to enter the country illegally. This government and the last have not managed to contain the problem and we are haemorrhaging money we simply do not have. There is no answer to this issue as long as we are a participant in the outdated refugee convention. Your fourth paragraph hits the nail on the head, it is the government who is at fault. From what I know governments skim off the top and this migration situation were more and more cash is being spent and skimmed is an ideal situation for M.P's the perfect cover, that's why we have this situation and why it will continue. How do we stop this vote in the monster raving looney party, why we already vote for such parties so we might as well be true to ourselves and vote the real ones in. The government I don’t think can skim off the top of but they have awarded the housing contracts to three major providers. One of them, Serco, is now reaching out to private landlords offering them above market rent for five year contracts - in effect pricing out other rental tenants. Another, Clearsprings has made £180 million profits from housing migrants over the last three years. A money merry go round, a rent to rent to rent business model. And many landlords exiting due to section 24 mortgage interest relief being capped at basic rate, which has led to residential property (incorporated) companies being set up to circumvent this, which on reading up appears to be the largest sector of company incorporations currently outstripped all other types of business. You could not make this up " I am well aware of Service Contractor (SerCo) SerCo acts well is a management company, the government gives SerCo all the money yes all of it and SerCo manage who gets this cash that's all SerCo do. I worked for a company called Action For Employment (A4E), Same model as SerCo but was caught over and over again skimming money. The CEO of A4E went on to be the family tzar in Camerons government after a few months C4 investigated the CEO and was found that they had SKIMMED 10 million off the top so it happens it almost cost a lot of people their jobs. Other truths was that employees accounts were also used to Launder money and widespread fraud. Thats why I say do not trust them as in government I have the experience, as a footnote the money laundered Was money skimmed from the Iraq war and illegal arms sales. Do not believe me put a4e in wikipedia. | |||
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"Borders are important, for the advancement of humanity. The human race is made up of many phenotypes, we don’t just look different, we speak different languages, play different music, dance, play and act differently. All of our different cultures should be preserved, and passed down from the generations throughout time, and written into our own histories. Let us celebrate everything that makes us different, is that too much to ask? Political correctness has a lot to answer for! Are you saying that I am politically correct? If so due to not believing in imagined lines on a piece of paper then being told I cannot travel over those lines without another piece of paper is as another poster noted a stupid concept and can only be up held through deception and fear. English will still be English as would French polish Australian the only change would be real freedom of movement." Hmm, so you think my message was all about you? Well I have met a few ‘No Borders’ types over the years. They all appear to be liberal pc types. Me? I think borders are not only necessary, but as I have already pointed out, they are important as a way of stopping the ‘free movement’ to which you allude. Fortunately Great Britain is an island, if you look at it from space, you will see that we have our very own natural border, the sea doth surround us. Even so we under constant invasion, which we are told not to speak of, let alone fight back. No, we have to rely on authorities, and they don’t give a shit, not fit for purpose. | |||
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"Borders are important, for the advancement of humanity. The human race is made up of many phenotypes, we don’t just look different, we speak different languages, play different music, dance, play and act differently. All of our different cultures should be preserved, and passed down from the generations throughout time, and written into our own histories. Let us celebrate everything that makes us different, is that too much to ask? Political correctness has a lot to answer for! Are you saying that I am politically correct? If so due to not believing in imagined lines on a piece of paper then being told I cannot travel over those lines without another piece of paper is as another poster noted a stupid concept and can only be up held through deception and fear. English will still be English as would French polish Australian the only change would be real freedom of movement. Hmm, so you think my message was all about you? Well I have met a few ‘No Borders’ types over the years. They all appear to be liberal pc types. Me? I think borders are not only necessary, but as I have already pointed out, they are important as a way of stopping the ‘free movement’ to which you allude. Fortunately Great Britain is an island, if you look at it from space, you will see that we have our very own natural border, the sea doth surround us. Even so we under constant invasion, which we are told not to speak of, let alone fight back. No, we have to rely on authorities, and they don’t give a shit, not fit for purpose." Well I thought you must be referring to me as your post was about my post, posting on here is all about me as I am writing the words vice versa. Under invasion hahaha well one to his own. Fight back against who? We cannot speak of it, what are we doing now? Boarders are a man made concept, please explain were these boarders are please as when I walk about I do not see any when I go elsewhere say what you would call Spain I see no boarder just a lot of people in uniforms containing the lie of boarders but when in an airport one can see no boarder but a lot of people telling us that there is a boarder, but I still cannot see it just people telling me their is one. If I still do not believe it fear is attempted to sway me, so to me when people try and put fear in to me that's when I know I am right. | |||
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"Borders are important, for the advancement of humanity. The human race is made up of many phenotypes, we don’t just look different, we speak different languages, play different music, dance, play and act differently. All of our different cultures should be preserved, and passed down from the generations throughout time, and written into our own histories. Let us celebrate everything that makes us different, is that too much to ask? Political correctness has a lot to answer for! Are you saying that I am politically correct? If so due to not believing in imagined lines on a piece of paper then being told I cannot travel over those lines without another piece of paper is as another poster noted a stupid concept and can only be up held through deception and fear. English will still be English as would French polish Australian the only change would be real freedom of movement. Hmm, so you think my message was all about you? Well I have met a few ‘No Borders’ types over the years. They all appear to be liberal pc types. Me? I think borders are not only necessary, but as I have already pointed out, they are important as a way of stopping the ‘free movement’ to which you allude. Fortunately Great Britain is an island, if you look at it from space, you will see that we have our very own natural border, the sea doth surround us. Even so we under constant invasion, which we are told not to speak of, let alone fight back. No, we have to rely on authorities, and they don’t give a shit, not fit for purpose." one last thing you are right they do not give a shit, so why think migrant when you have just stated the real issue the issue we all should grasp "They just don't give a shit" and as long as we put up with this fact the less and less they will give a shit. | |||
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"Indeed the UK is under invasion, and has been since the end of WW2. Whatever anyone’s says it is to the detriment of our demographics, our culture, our population, our existence as a sovereign state. Nothing is going to change that as fact, and posting back and forth will change nobodies mind. Pretty pointless innit?" I take it you are referring to me? What is pointless is that you know the real issue choose to ignore it and blame migrants as our government welcomes them in. So our culture what the mixed heritage diverse culture we now have from many nations who choose to come here and add to our economy. Economic migrants those who break the law to add to our economy and that's a bad thing. When you and I are retired we will need these migrants to pay our pensions, keep the NHS going, drive trains, sweep the streets and clear our rubbish. Our young are so dissolved from society (no job, no way of getting a house no family no future no hope) that they have been shuttered out of society so cannot really hope for their help. The truth is we will all depend on migrants well those of a certain age like it or not. | |||
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"Indeed the UK is under invasion, and has been since the end of WW2. Whatever anyone’s says it is to the detriment of our demographics, our culture, our population, our existence as a sovereign state. Nothing is going to change that as fact, and posting back and forth will change nobodies mind. Pretty pointless innit?" This country would have been completely bolloxed without immigration after WW2, which is why it was encouraged. And why not? It’s ok to fight in wars on behalf of the mother country but no you can’t immigrate? | |||
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