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"One thing I hate in this country is DVLA selling my name and address to criminals like the car parking gangsters. Why and how can this be changed ? I wrote an email to DVLA and no reply " if you park on a double yellow like a gangster, the gangsters are going to get ya. | |||
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"One thing I hate in this country is DVLA selling my name and address to criminals like the car parking gangsters. Why and how can this be changed ?" Why would we want this changed? If people park illegally, they deserve to be fined. | |||
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"One thing I hate in this country is DVLA selling my name and address to criminals like the car parking gangsters. Why and how can this be changed ? Why would we want this changed? If people park illegally, they deserve to be fined." Watch and read the news and you make yourself less ignorant | |||
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" Watch and read the news and you make yourself less ignorant " The last thing I saw on the news about the DVLA was an item a couple of days ago about how long the waiting list was for driving tests. They bulk sell slots to driving instructors or allow bots to buy up slots really fast and then they get resold so even the DVLA dont make any extra money from this. Personally I think a slot should be booked with a driving licence and only that licence number can use the slot but I guess that is too simplistic. Is that what I was supposed to be less ignorant on? | |||
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"One thing I hate in this country is DVLA selling my name and address to criminals like the car parking gangsters. Why and how can this be changed ?" "Why would we want this changed? If people park illegally, they deserve to be fined." "Watch and read the news and you make yourself less ignorant" I do watch and read the news, and if there's been anything about the DVLA and parking companies, I've missed it How about you dispel any ignorance by telling us what you're talking about. | |||
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"One thing I hate in this country is DVLA selling my name and address to criminals like the car parking gangsters. Why and how can this be changed ? I wrote an email to DVLA and no reply " Are you anti all authority bodies? Or just the ones who punish crime? | |||
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"One thing I hate in this country is DVLA selling my name and address to criminals like the car parking gangsters. Why and how can this be changed ? Why would we want this changed? If people park illegally, they deserve to be fined. Watch and read the news and you make yourself less ignorant I do watch and read the news, and if there's been anything about the DVLA and parking companies, I've missed it How about you dispel any ignorance by telling us what you're talking about." So you will be happy to get a charge for taking 5 minutes or more to pay and end with 2nthoudand pounds you will be happy? I do not think you are so stupid but possibly hahaha I got charged after using their system and took more than 5 minutes so I guess you think it's okay | |||
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"One thing I hate in this country is DVLA selling my name and address to criminals like the car parking gangsters. Why and how can this be changed ? I wrote an email to DVLA and no reply Are you anti all authority bodies? Or just the ones who punish crime? " Too many who punish crimes are doing it themselves. Corruption and dishonesty is something you accept not me. | |||
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"One thing I hate in this country is DVLA selling my name and address to criminals like the car parking gangsters. Why and how can this be changed ? I wrote an email to DVLA and no reply Are you anti all authority bodies? Or just the ones who punish crime? Too many who punish crimes are doing it themselves. Corruption and dishonesty is something you accept not me." Perhaps you would prefer a different country? You don't seem especially settled or happy here. | |||
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" Watch and read the news and you make yourself less ignorant The last thing I saw on the news about the DVLA was an item a couple of days ago about how long the waiting list was for driving tests. They bulk sell slots to driving instructors or allow bots to buy up slots really fast and then they get resold so even the DVLA dont make any extra money from this. Personally I think a slot should be booked with a driving licence and only that licence number can use the slot but I guess that is too simplistic. Is that what I was supposed to be less ignorant on?" What a refreshingly simple solution... Isn't that how it used to be... I'm sure I had to give my provisional number when I booked my test Nuts that bots can resell tests like concert tickets | |||
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"So you will be happy to get a charge for taking 5 minutes or more to pay and end with 2nthoudand pounds you will be happy? I do not think you are so stupid but possibly hahaha I got charged after using their system and took more than 5 minutes so I guess you think it's okay" Ah, right, so you're talking about rogue parking companies, not DVLA. No, I wouldn't be happy about getting a charge for taking too long to pay, especially if the company made paying difficult. But I'd be angry at the parking company with the unreasonable policy, not DVLA who have done their job efficiently and according to the law. | |||
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"I’m fighting a private parking charge during a pub visit. I walked into the bar, chatted to my friends, they brought me a drink and then an hour later I realised I hadn’t registered my vehicle for parking. So I did as soon as I remembered. I got a ticket for not registering, so I appealed. Basically I had to get a receipt, it was around Christmas time and the pub was 5 miles away. I went twice to get a receipt but the Landlord’s were never there so by the time I managed to get a receipt and send it of it arrived two days late for the appeal to be successful. Despite having evidence and witnesses, they’re threatening to take me to court, I’m saying bring it on as I did nothing wrong except pay an hour later. I would say a £100 fine is a bit extreme for forgetting something for an hour. The charges have gone from £70 to £235 and I’m just ignoring the emails now with their ridiculous threats." My argument is over clear boundaries and signage something which the law requires for these fly by night companies to be able to issue tickets I have video evidence and pictures and two other drives who successfully beat theses rouge companies. But it seems you admit to being an hour late, I would just pay the fine. As in court you will lose because you admit to being an hour late. | |||
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"I’m fighting a private parking charge during a pub visit. I walked into the bar, chatted to my friends, they brought me a drink and then an hour later I realised I hadn’t registered my vehicle for parking. So I did as soon as I remembered. I got a ticket for not registering, so I appealed. Basically I had to get a receipt, it was around Christmas time and the pub was 5 miles away. I went twice to get a receipt but the Landlord’s were never there so by the time I managed to get a receipt and send it of it arrived two days late for the appeal to be successful. Despite having evidence and witnesses, they’re threatening to take me to court, I’m saying bring it on as I did nothing wrong except pay an hour later. I would say a £100 fine is a bit extreme for forgetting something for an hour. The charges have gone from £70 to £235 and I’m just ignoring the emails now with their ridiculous threats. My argument is over clear boundaries and signage something which the law requires for these fly by night companies to be able to issue tickets I have video evidence and pictures and two other drives who successfully beat theses rouge companies. But it seems you admit to being an hour late, I would just pay the fine. As in court you will lose because you admit to being an hour late." Does the signage specify a time limit to enter details? | |||
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"This practice of selling people’s personal data should have been closed when gdpr was introduced. Instead, it was written into the legislation. No private company should be able to purchase peoples private information. It’s unjust." The whole point of having number plates on vehicles is so that they can be identified in the case of wrongdoing. There would be no point having them if people weren't allowed to use the information. | |||
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"This practice of selling people’s personal data should have been closed when gdpr was introduced. Instead, it was written into the legislation. No private company should be able to purchase peoples private information. It’s unjust. " You vehicle registration isn't your personal data, it is owned by the government not you. If you want to drive a vehicle on the UK's roads the law says it has to have a registration plate which the government issues and tracks via the DVLA. The law allows in certain circumstances for that registration to be disclosed to third parties. Nothing to do with you or your GDPR as the registration is allocated to the vehicle. The driver doesn't get infringement notice the Resistered Keeper does. If you don't like having a registered vehicle get on your bike! | |||
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"This practice of selling people’s personal data should have been closed when gdpr was introduced. Instead, it was written into the legislation. No private company should be able to purchase peoples private information. It’s unjust. The whole point of having number plates on vehicles is so that they can be identified in the case of wrongdoing. There would be no point having them if people weren't allowed to use the information." The authorities, yes. I have no problem with the police using that info. Private companies have no business accessing personal data. Parking on private land is a civil matter. No crime has been committed. | |||
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"This practice of selling people’s personal data should have been closed when gdpr was introduced. Instead, it was written into the legislation. No private company should be able to purchase peoples private information. It’s unjust. You vehicle registration isn't your personal data, it is owned by the government not you. If you want to drive a vehicle on the UK's roads the law says it has to have a registration plate which the government issues and tracks via the DVLA. The law allows in certain circumstances for that registration to be disclosed to third parties. Nothing to do with you or your GDPR as the registration is allocated to the vehicle. The driver doesn't get infringement notice the Resistered Keeper does. If you don't like having a registered vehicle get on your bike!" And what do they request from dvla using a registration? It’s personal data. They should not be allowed to access it as a private company. The only people who should have access to this is law enforcement. That’s my opinion. | |||
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"This practice of selling people’s personal data should have been closed when gdpr was introduced. Instead, it was written into the legislation. No private company should be able to purchase peoples private information. It’s unjust. You vehicle registration isn't your personal data, it is owned by the government not you. If you want to drive a vehicle on the UK's roads the law says it has to have a registration plate which the government issues and tracks via the DVLA. The law allows in certain circumstances for that registration to be disclosed to third parties. Nothing to do with you or your GDPR as the registration is allocated to the vehicle. The driver doesn't get infringement notice the Resistered Keeper does. If you don't like having a registered vehicle get on your bike! And what do they request from dvla using a registration? It’s personal data. They should not be allowed to access it as a private company. The only people who should have access to this is law enforcement. That’s my opinion. " The problem is that because it is private land you have likely entered into an agreement with the private company because you have agreed to the terms of their signage on the walls. Those terms likely stipulate that they can access the DVLA to enforce any non payment terms you might have triggered by your actions. Basically you agree to allow them to access the data by your actions. If you don’t want them to access the DVLA then don’t park on their land. | |||
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"This practice of selling people’s personal data should have been closed when gdpr was introduced. Instead, it was written into the legislation. No private company should be able to purchase peoples private information. It’s unjust. You vehicle registration isn't your personal data, it is owned by the government not you. If you want to drive a vehicle on the UK's roads the law says it has to have a registration plate which the government issues and tracks via the DVLA. The law allows in certain circumstances for that registration to be disclosed to third parties. Nothing to do with you or your GDPR as the registration is allocated to the vehicle. The driver doesn't get infringement notice the Resistered Keeper does. If you don't like having a registered vehicle get on your bike! And what do they request from dvla using a registration? It’s personal data. They should not be allowed to access it as a private company. The only people who should have access to this is law enforcement. That’s my opinion. " Law enforcement includes private landowners who can bring civil prosecutions for trespass, damage, illegal parking, fly-tipping etc. In your world if they couldn't do this what would prevent a free for all where anyone could do anything upon someone else's land? The police don't deal with civil matters. | |||
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"I’d question the use of the word “crime”. It’s not criminal to park on someone else’s land. It’s a civil matter. They use implied contractual terms stating if you park on their land or the land the company controls, you agree to their terms. They then make it quite difficult for you to comply and change you the penalty terms. There is no fine, only the government and its agents can issue fines. It’s a charge made to look like a fine. " They are not implied contractual terms - they are actual contractural terms. There was a case that went before the supreme court in 2015 that validated that. People should stop thinking that they can ignore signs etc - they are there for a reason and that reason is almost always to lift cash out of your wallet when you ignore them. | |||
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"I’d question the use of the word “crime”. It’s not criminal to park on someone else’s land. It’s a civil matter. They use implied contractual terms stating if you park on their land or the land the company controls, you agree to their terms. They then make it quite difficult for you to comply and change you the penalty terms. There is no fine, only the government and its agents can issue fines. It’s a charge made to look like a fine. They are not implied contractual terms - they are actual contractural terms. There was a case that went before the supreme court in 2015 that validated that. People should stop thinking that they can ignore signs etc - they are there for a reason and that reason is almost always to lift cash out of your wallet when you ignore them." Many private land owners mislead with their signage, and dupe drivers into these charges, and then use the law to imitate drivers into payment beware. | |||
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"I’d question the use of the word “crime”. It’s not criminal to park on someone else’s land. It’s a civil matter. They use implied contractual terms stating if you park on their land or the land the company controls, you agree to their terms. They then make it quite difficult for you to comply and change you the penalty terms. There is no fine, only the government and its agents can issue fines. It’s a charge made to look like a fine. They are not implied contractual terms - they are actual contractural terms. There was a case that went before the supreme court in 2015 that validated that. People should stop thinking that they can ignore signs etc - they are there for a reason and that reason is almost always to lift cash out of your wallet when you ignore them. Many private land owners mislead with their signage, and dupe drivers into these charges, and then use the law to imitate drivers into payment beware." And the Supreme Court ruling said that if you mislead people then the charges are not valid. You can therefore be fairly sure that the vast majority of car parks will now have signage that meets the requirements. The fact that people might not understand what they are agreeing to is a different matter. | |||
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"I’d question the use of the word “crime”. It’s not criminal to park on someone else’s land. It’s a civil matter. They use implied contractual terms stating if you park on their land or the land the company controls, you agree to their terms. They then make it quite difficult for you to comply and change you the penalty terms. There is no fine, only the government and its agents can issue fines. It’s a charge made to look like a fine. They are not implied contractual terms - they are actual contractural terms. There was a case that went before the supreme court in 2015 that validated that. People should stop thinking that they can ignore signs etc - they are there for a reason and that reason is almost always to lift cash out of your wallet when you ignore them. Many private land owners mislead with their signage, and dupe drivers into these charges, and then use the law to imitate drivers into payment beware. And the Supreme Court ruling said that if you mislead people then the charges are not valid. You can therefore be fairly sure that the vast majority of car parks will now have signage that meets the requirements. The fact that people might not understand what they are agreeing to is a different matter." As I stated above I am in litigation with such companies, I have video evidence and waiting for my court date. I understand the law around this hence I take the bus to town as my town is a drivers trap enforced by the law. I know when the court day comes they will withdraw their complaint against me. | |||
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"I’d question the use of the word “crime”. It’s not criminal to park on someone else’s land. It’s a civil matter. They use implied contractual terms stating if you park on their land or the land the company controls, you agree to their terms. They then make it quite difficult for you to comply and change you the penalty terms. There is no fine, only the government and its agents can issue fines. It’s a charge made to look like a fine. They are not implied contractual terms - they are actual contractural terms. There was a case that went before the supreme court in 2015 that validated that. People should stop thinking that they can ignore signs etc - they are there for a reason and that reason is almost always to lift cash out of your wallet when you ignore them. Many private land owners mislead with their signage, and dupe drivers into these charges, and then use the law to imitate drivers into payment beware. And the Supreme Court ruling said that if you mislead people then the charges are not valid. You can therefore be fairly sure that the vast majority of car parks will now have signage that meets the requirements. The fact that people might not understand what they are agreeing to is a different matter. As I stated above I am in litigation with such companies, I have video evidence and waiting for my court date. I understand the law around this hence I take the bus to town as my town is a drivers trap enforced by the law. I know when the court day comes they will withdraw their complaint against me." I 100% support you! I am just observing that most people don’t know what they are signing up for - you can look up the thread for evidence of that. | |||
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"Tell them to sod off, ask them who is the injured party, only a flesh and blood human being can make a claim of injury or loss against another flesh and blood human being in a court de jure, but they will ask a court de facto to rule on so called societal norms of just paying up or it will be doubled ..." Utter nonsense. Companies and other legal organisations can make claims in UK courts. No judge or magistrate in the country would award a claim based on "societal norms". For parking companies the cases are brought under contract law, which is well established. "... you have not broken the law, tell them to sod off." That bit's accurate, you haven't broken the law. They almost certainly won't take it to court, so telling them to sod off is a reasonable course of action. | |||
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"I’d question the use of the word “crime”. It’s not criminal to park on someone else’s land. It’s a civil matter. They use implied contractual terms stating if you park on their land or the land the company controls, you agree to their terms. They then make it quite difficult for you to comply and change you the penalty terms. There is no fine, only the government and its agents can issue fines. It’s a charge made to look like a fine. They are not implied contractual terms - they are actual contractural terms. There was a case that went before the supreme court in 2015 that validated that. People should stop thinking that they can ignore signs etc - they are there for a reason and that reason is almost always to lift cash out of your wallet when you ignore them. Many private land owners mislead with their signage, and dupe drivers into these charges, and then use the law to imitate drivers into payment beware. And the Supreme Court ruling said that if you mislead people then the charges are not valid. You can therefore be fairly sure that the vast majority of car parks will now have signage that meets the requirements. The fact that people might not understand what they are agreeing to is a different matter. As I stated above I am in litigation with such companies, I have video evidence and waiting for my court date. I understand the law around this hence I take the bus to town as my town is a drivers trap enforced by the law. I know when the court day comes they will withdraw their complaint against me. I 100% support you! I am just observing that most people don’t know what they are signing up for - you can look up the thread for evidence of that." I am surprised at the number of drivers who just pay up as they have other things to do or worried their credit rating may be affected. This is why they do it if every driver guilty or not just put these companies into litigation the cost to them would make their sometimes little scams unprofitable. | |||
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" I am surprised at the number of drivers who just pay up as they have other things to do or worried their credit rating may be affected. This is why they do it if every driver guilty or not just put these companies into litigation the cost to them would make their sometimes little scams unprofitable." If a company, Council or even a private individual invests their money in providing a car park why shouldn't they charge for that facility? Why shouldn't they take enforcement action if someone cheats them of their income? After all they are providing a facility that you are using. Would you eat a meal in a restaurant, then run away without paying and then whinge on a Swingers site when the owner took you to court? | |||
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"Tell them to sod off, ask them who is the injured party, only a flesh and blood human being can make a claim of injury or loss against another flesh and blood human being in a court de jure, but they will ask a court de facto to rule on so called societal norms of just paying up or it will be doubled ... Utter nonsense. Companies and other legal organisations can make claims in UK courts. No judge or magistrate in the country would award a claim based on "societal norms". For parking companies the cases are brought under contract law, which is well established. ... you have not broken the law, tell them to sod off. That bit's accurate, you haven't broken the law. They almost certainly won't take it to court, so telling them to sod off is a reasonable course of action." Contract law, you mean civil law, anyway what contract was signed no wet signature no contract, are you saying a corporation can have a case heard against a person for injury or loss in a court de jure. | |||
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" Contract law, you mean civil law, anyway what contract was signed no wet signature no contract..." What do YOU sign before eating a meal in a restaurant? | |||
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"Tell them to sod off, ask them who is the injured party, only a flesh and blood human being can make a claim of injury or loss against another flesh and blood human being in a court de jure, but they will ask a court de facto to rule on so called societal norms of just paying up or it will be doubled ... Utter nonsense. Companies and other legal organisations can make claims in UK courts. No judge or magistrate in the country would award a claim based on "societal norms". For parking companies the cases are brought under contract law, which is well established. ... you have not broken the law, tell them to sod off. That bit's accurate, you haven't broken the law. They almost certainly won't take it to court, so telling them to sod off is a reasonable course of action. Contract law, you mean civil law, anyway what contract was signed no wet signature no contract, are you saying a corporation can have a case heard against a person for injury or loss in a court de jure." You don’t need wet signatures on most types of contractual agreement. Your word or action is usually enough. With parking you are agreeing to their terms by leaving your car there. | |||
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"Tell them to sod off, ask them who is the injured party, only a flesh and blood human being can make a claim of injury or loss against another flesh and blood human being in a court de jure, but they will ask a court de facto to rule on so called societal norms of just paying up or it will be doubled " "Utter nonsense. Companies and other legal organisations can make claims in UK courts. No judge or magistrate in the country would award a claim based on "societal norms". For parking companies the cases are brought under contract law, which is well established." "Contract law, you mean civil law" Yes. Not criminal, still law. "anyway what contract was signed no wet signature no contract" We're out of the 19th century now, and you don't need wet ink to have a contract. Contracts can be made by a handshake, by fax, in a phone conversation, or even with electric signatures. In this case the contract was made by acceptance of the terms and conditions (assuming the appropriate signs met the guidelines). "are you saying a corporation can have a case heard against a person for injury or loss in a court de jure." That's no such thing as a "court de jure", it's a Court of Justice. Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. A company can sue an individual for injury or loss. Have you never heard of people being prosecuted for failing to pay their bills? | |||
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"Tell them to sod off, ask them who is the injured party, only a flesh and blood human being can make a claim of injury or loss against another flesh and blood human being in a court de jure, but they will ask a court de facto to rule on so called societal norms of just paying up or it will be doubled, you have not broken the law, tell them to sod off." Oh I've just realised. This is "Freemen of the Land" stuff isn't it. Do yourself a favour and stay out of trouble. Attempting to make those arguments in court will only end up in you getting a harsher sentence for failure to engage with the process (unless you do it in Canada, where they send you off for psychological evaluation as a psychotic). | |||
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"Tell them to sod off, ask them who is the injured party, only a flesh and blood human being can make a claim of injury or loss against another flesh and blood human being in a court de jure, but they will ask a court de facto to rule on so called societal norms of just paying up or it will be doubled Utter nonsense. Companies and other legal organisations can make claims in UK courts. No judge or magistrate in the country would award a claim based on "societal norms". For parking companies the cases are brought under contract law, which is well established. Contract law, you mean civil law Yes. Not criminal, still law. anyway what contract was signed no wet signature no contract We're out of the 19th century now, and you don't need wet ink to have a contract. Contracts can be made by a handshake, by fax, in a phone conversation, or even with electric signatures. In this case the contract was made by acceptance of the terms and conditions (assuming the appropriate signs met the guidelines). are you saying a corporation can have a case heard against a person for injury or loss in a court de jure. That's no such thing as a "court de jure", it's a Court of Justice. Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. A company can sue an individual for injury or loss. Have you never heard of people being prosecuted for failing to pay their bills?" A contract is formed when you take ask for service from a company, parking on a piece of land does not give implied consent of contract to a parking company,try and get a loan or mortgage without your wet signature a inked stamp will not cut it. you are chattel of the policy makers if you register your interest to the policies with a wet signature. Freeman all that stuff about we are all maritime salvage and we carry and are tied to a legal fiction strawman to act upon, naa don't go in for, saying that no sheriff can take a freemans horse or cart,, magna carta 1215. | |||
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"A contract is formed when you take ask for service from a company, parking on a piece of land does not give implied consent of contract to a parking company ..." Yes it does. Just as someone else pointed out, you don't sign a contract when going into a restaurant, but you're still liable for the bill. Same with parking on someone else's land. If they display notices in the approved manner, then you create a contract by parking there. You don't have to take my word for it, there are hundreds of stories of people being taken to court over this, and the courts awarding damages to the parking companies. "you are chattel of the policy makers if you register your interest to the policies with a wet signature. Freeman all that stuff about we are all maritime salvage and we carry and are tied to a legal fiction strawman to act upon, naa don't go in for, saying that no sheriff can take a freemans horse or cart,, magna carta 1215." And yet you use phrases like "you are chattel of the policy makers if you register your interest". If you're not a Freeman, you certainly sound like one. And you seem to have a grasp of the legal system that matches the average Freeman. | |||
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