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"In over 3 years Russia couldn't even do the easy part, conquering Ukraine. Then they come to the really hard part, Occupying Ukraine. Russia doesn't have the troops to do that. Imagine Millions of Battle hardened Ukrainians, each one knowing 1001 ways to kill a Russian. Putin wants to denazify Ukraine, to Putin a Nazi is anyone who would fight against Russia. How do you think he's going to do that? Ukrainians are not only fighting for their country, they are fighting for their lives. " I agree with everything you said except for one thing, numbers. The population of Ukraine is falling almost daily with people leaving and people dying. Russia breeds an extra million potential soldiers every year. No they are not as effective as the Ukraine soldiers because their heart isn’t in it for many of them. Certainly not compared to the Ukrainian soldiers. But all the while they are there, the Russian soldiers are learning actual battle experience to take to the next conflict. Putin had not thrown the whole Russian military might at Ukraine, at least not yet. I wonder why. | |||
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"I think it’s very easy to sit back in the safety of our armchairs and say he should defend his country regardless. I also think it’s easy to say it’s a battle Ukraine can’t win so should surrender. What do the people of Ukraine want? If they surrender it’s not just a case of life goes on as before but under Russian rule. It’s the men of the country steadily vanish, of to work camps in Siberia or simply killed for crimes against the Russian army during the war. Women are systematically abused, r@ped and work in factories making Russian armaments to keep the people in order. And of course to build up stocks ready for Putin’s next move. Latvia? Estonia? Lithuania? NATO may not have the same legal obligations to defend Ukraine as they would Latvia, but under Trump there’s no guarantee that the US would help defend a NATO country any more then he wants to help Ukraine. What’s in it for him? Don’t defend the Baltic states and it’s the end of NATO. If that were to happen then an all out invasion of Eastern Europe is likely. Putin wants his political border to be with Germany, Austria, and Greece. That way there’s hundreds of miles of land between Western Europe and Russia. Land he’d happily use battlefield nukes on to stop an advancing NATO army. After WW1 we thought the job was done. Less than 20 years later and Germany had the largest mechanised army in the world. Poor leadership and bad strategy were the only things that stopped them. If they had invaded after Dunkirk we’d all be speaking German. But they chose to invade Russia and Africa instead and gave us time to rearm. If the US hadn’t joined the fight, who knows. But it took a nuke to end that war. Japan could have fought on for years had they not dropped those two nukes. They only gave in because they hadn’t got nukes of their own. We don’t have that card to play. It’s either a conventional war or global nuclear holocaust. It’s not a nice thing to say but if the war in Ukraine continues, it’s keeps Putins focus there, not elsewhere. We need to double military spending. No we can’t afford it, but we can’t afford not to. " It is not a war Ukraine are going to win, if Russia even came close to losing the war there could be a terrible outcome with nothing to lose. Ukraine can of course keep doing what they are doing until the money runs out. Zelensky in South Africa today would point to another roll of the dice for aid, however he must be close to exhausting his options. Agreeing that Crimea is a Russian controlled territory is not something Zelensky is prepared to do so there is no negotiation, which leaves no alternative but to fight on, which then takes us back to the question of what happens when the money runs out. Nato is a blunt tool and offers nothing to Ukraine, Europe are not much better and have fallen away into the background again. I can't see a way out that doesn't concede land and the removal of Zelensky. I also can't see a future for Ukraine without an Eastern European Alliance to protect the borders. | |||
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"The EU has 10x the GDP of Russia and 3x the population. It stands to reason that Europe has more. NATO has far more modern military capabilities than Russia even without the US (remember how the Russian military is always being described as out of date?). Under these circumstances it seems the only advantage Russia has is the willingness to wage war which appears to be something the civilised West has lost. It's the 1930s all over again." I agree, NATO and Europe would rather talk about what they could do, and then tell us why they can't do it over a period of time that is long enough for us to forget about it. | |||
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"The EU has 10x the GDP of Russia and 3x the population. It stands to reason that Europe has more. NATO has far more modern military capabilities than Russia even without the US (remember how the Russian military is always being described as out of date?). Under these circumstances it seems the only advantage Russia has is the willingness to wage war which appears to be something the civilised West has lost. It's the 1930s all over again." The advantages Russia has is that 1) it does not respect rules of engagement in warfare nor the need to avoid collateral damage to civilians and 2) it is prepared to accept military losses that would be unacceptable in the west. | |||
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"The EU has 10x the GDP of Russia and 3x the population. It stands to reason that Europe has more. NATO has far more modern military capabilities than Russia even without the US (remember how the Russian military is always being described as out of date?). Under these circumstances it seems the only advantage Russia has is the willingness to wage war which appears to be something the civilised West has lost. It's the 1930s all over again. The advantages Russia has is that 1) it does not respect rules of engagement in warfare nor the need to avoid collateral damage to civilians and 2) it is prepared to accept military losses that would be unacceptable in the west." I’ve always thought the idea of war having rules is a bit counter intuitive. | |||
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"I think it’s very easy to sit back in the safety of our armchairs and say he should defend his country regardless. I also think it’s easy to say it’s a battle Ukraine can’t win so should surrender. What do the people of Ukraine want? If they surrender it’s not just a case of life goes on as before but under Russian rule. It’s the men of the country steadily vanish, of to work camps in Siberia or simply killed for crimes against the Russian army during the war. Women are systematically abused, r@ped and work in factories making Russian armaments to keep the people in order. And of course to build up stocks ready for Putin’s next move. Latvia? Estonia? Lithuania? NATO may not have the same legal obligations to defend Ukraine as they would Latvia, but under Trump there’s no guarantee that the US would help defend a NATO country any more then he wants to help Ukraine. What’s in it for him? Don’t defend the Baltic states and it’s the end of NATO. If that were to happen then an all out invasion of Eastern Europe is likely. Putin wants his political border to be with Germany, Austria, and Greece. That way there’s hundreds of miles of land between Western Europe and Russia. Land he’d happily use battlefield nukes on to stop an advancing NATO army. After WW1 we thought the job was done. Less than 20 years later and Germany had the largest mechanised army in the world. Poor leadership and bad strategy were the only things that stopped them. If they had invaded after Dunkirk we’d all be speaking German. But they chose to invade Russia and Africa instead and gave us time to rearm. If the US hadn’t joined the fight, who knows. But it took a nuke to end that war. Japan could have fought on for years had they not dropped those two nukes. They only gave in because they hadn’t got nukes of their own. We don’t have that card to play. It’s either a conventional war or global nuclear holocaust. It’s not a nice thing to say but if the war in Ukraine continues, it’s keeps Putins focus there, not elsewhere. We need to double military spending. No we can’t afford it, but we can’t afford not to. " A very simplified regurgitation of history. | |||
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"America won't walk away and leave Ukraine to be taken over. If Putin takes control of Ukraine, who's going to pay back the US for all the money they've spent?" Russia will by doing a deal on rare earth minerals | |||
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"America won't walk away and leave Ukraine to be taken over. If Putin takes control of Ukraine, who's going to pay back the US for all the money they've spent?" "Russia will by doing a deal on rare earth minerals" If Russia has just walked in and taken Ukraine along with all of its rare earths, why would they bother doing a deal with the US? Why wouldn't they just dig up the minerals and then sell them to the US? | |||
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"I don’t know why anyone thinks the US won’t walk away when it suits them." I agree, they will. But right now, it doesn't suit them. The US has put a lot of money into defending Ukraine, and it wants to get that back. If some sort of deal can be made, or if Russia starts to crumble, Trump wants to be there grabbing whatever he can get. If he walks away, he gets nothing, and Trump doesn't like to come away empty handed. | |||
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"I don’t know why anyone thinks the US won’t walk away when it suits them. I agree, they will. But right now, it doesn't suit them. The US has put a lot of money into defending Ukraine, and it wants to get that back. If some sort of deal can be made, or if Russia starts to crumble, Trump wants to be there grabbing whatever he can get. If he walks away, he gets nothing, and Trump doesn't like to come away empty handed." Trump wants a Nobel peace prize | |||
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"Zelensky should deal with Putin by promising not to join NATO and give Crimea to Russia " Why? That’s like us agreeing to give them Wales and leave NATO. Yes Crimea has been a heavily contested bit of land over the years and they certainly don’t have the military might to take it back. But is that how politics should work? You can keep any land you’re able to take with military force? | |||
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"Zelensky should deal with Putin by promising not to join NATO and give Crimea to Russia Why? That’s like us agreeing to give them Wales and leave NATO. Yes Crimea has been a heavily contested bit of land over the years and they certainly don’t have the military might to take it back. But is that how politics should work? You can keep any land you’re able to take with military force? " That is exactly how a Putin works. I want, I take, and the who is going to stop me? The playing field is not level when it comes to Putin, he has ultimate control. This is a stark contrast to the West, who has promised to never repeat its mistakes. Upper hand and unpredictability go to Putin. | |||
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"Zelensky should deal with Putin by promising not to join NATO and give Crimea to Russia Why? That’s like us agreeing to give them Wales and leave NATO. Yes Crimea has been a heavily contested bit of land over the years and they certainly don’t have the military might to take it back. But is that how politics should work? You can keep any land you’re able to take with military force? " Nobody has took Tibet back of China. | |||
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"Zelensky should deal with Putin by promising not to join NATO and give Crimea to Russia Why? That’s like us agreeing to give them Wales and leave NATO. Yes Crimea has been a heavily contested bit of land over the years and they certainly don’t have the military might to take it back. But is that how politics should work? You can keep any land you’re able to take with military force? Nobody has took Tibet back of China. " I don't think giving the Monks a shed load of weapons will do any good.  | |||
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"You can keep any land you’re able to take with military force? " Well, that has been the case throughout human history hasn’t it? So when was the line drawn in the sand? If a more powerful country has a big grievance as Russia has here with Ukraine, as Mearsheimer said ‘might makes right’ & no UN charter or whatever is on paper in the ‘civilised 21st century’ will likely stop them from making their move anyway. What is of course laughable is The West holding up international law & the ‘International Rules Based Order’ as some kind of set of universal rules to be followed unquestionably by all. This is somewhat suspect when eg Israel flouts International law frequently yet is still pretty much backed to the hilt by The West. A lot of the ‘rest of the world’ notice this clear hypocrisy, which is why they aren’t as gung ho in wanting to hang Putin out to dry as The West are, are they? | |||
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"Zelensky should deal with Putin by promising not to join NATO and give Crimea to Russia Why? That’s like us agreeing to give them Wales and leave NATO. Yes Crimea has been a heavily contested bit of land over the years and they certainly don’t have the military might to take it back. But is that how politics should work? You can keep any land you’re able to take with military force? " You ask why? They will loose all of Ukraine if they do not and more lives | |||
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"Zelensky should deal with Putin by promising not to join NATO and give Crimea to Russia Why? That’s like us agreeing to give them Wales and leave NATO. Yes Crimea has been a heavily contested bit of land over the years and they certainly don’t have the military might to take it back. But is that how politics should work? You can keep any land you’re able to take with military force? You ask why? They will loose all of Ukraine if they do not and more lives " Seems in the last 48 hours you’ve been proven wrong. The US are back in the game and Putin is on Trumps naughty list while Zelenskyy is back in favour and receiving US military aid. | |||
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"Zelensky should deal with Putin by promising not to join NATO and give Crimea to Russia Why? That’s like us agreeing to give them Wales and leave NATO. Yes Crimea has been a heavily contested bit of land over the years and they certainly don’t have the military might to take it back. But is that how politics should work? You can keep any land you’re able to take with military force? You ask why? They will loose all of Ukraine if they do not and more lives Seems in the last 48 hours you’ve been proven wrong. The US are back in the game and Putin is on Trumps naughty list while Zelenskyy is back in favour and receiving US military aid. " can recive all the aid they like but this is a war of attrition and the fact is russia has a lot more people to throw into the killing fields than ukraine has, but hey till the last ukrainian eh, and as for america and ukraine agreeing to a 30 day ceasefire what makes them think russia are going to stop for 30 days? They may stop for there milarary parade this week and thats about it, they are already massing troops for the fighting for the summer months so unless europe are going to start sending troops then ukraine are on a hiding to nothing | |||
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"Zelensky should deal with Putin by promising not to join NATO and give Crimea to Russia Why? That’s like us agreeing to give them Wales and leave NATO. Yes Crimea has been a heavily contested bit of land over the years and they certainly don’t have the military might to take it back. But is that how politics should work? You can keep any land you’re able to take with military force? You ask why? They will loose all of Ukraine if they do not and more lives Seems in the last 48 hours you’ve been proven wrong. The US are back in the game and Putin is on Trumps naughty list while Zelenskyy is back in favour and receiving US military aid. can recive all the aid they like but this is a war of attrition and the fact is russia has a lot more people to throw into the killing fields than ukraine has, but hey till the last ukrainian eh, and as for america and ukraine agreeing to a 30 day ceasefire what makes them think russia are going to stop for 30 days? They may stop for there milarary parade this week and thats about it, they are already massing troops for the fighting for the summer months so unless europe are going to start sending troops then ukraine are on a hiding to nothing" That was said 3 years ago and I was one of the people saying it. But it never happened. Putin has held back a lot of his military muscle, not sure why, maybe he wants it going on as a training exercise, who knows | |||
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