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By *rincessvenus OP Couple
5 weeks ago

Hull

25 members of his team are stanch unite union membersbirmingham rubbish strike is being run by unite

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By *aveman 77Man
5 weeks ago

Rotherham

" 25 members of his team are stanch unite union membersbirmingham rubbish strike is being run by unite"
and im with unite I wish they'd be this way with my profession.

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By *uddy laneMan
5 weeks ago

dudley

When I saw starmer I jumped right in, I thought it was going to about the cctv footage of the pm.

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By *uffelskloofMan
5 weeks ago

Walsall

Labour are Trade Union puppets.

Who knew?!

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By *ichaeltontineMan
5 weeks ago

SWANSEA

In a healthy democracy if people think they are being ill used by their employer.... surely they can withdraw their labour? Or do you think workers are not entitled to have rights?

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By *erlins5Man
4 weeks ago

South Fife

How dare people be in a union 😯🙄🙄

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
4 weeks ago

nearby

Members of Unite began staging one-day walkouts in January after being told some workers would be downgraded and have their pay cut.

The dispute centres on the council's decision to cut a role from its waste service, which the union says will leave a number of workers with an £8,000-a-year pay cut. The council has repeatedly disputed this figure and said only 17 workers would be affected.

Is this correct?

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By *exy_HornyCouple
4 weeks ago

Leigh

Isn’t the issue that Birmingham is one of the only places where the bin lorries have a 4 person crew?

The council is proposing to reduce the crews to 3 as is common elsewhere. Driver plus 2 loaders.

The “safety “ role of the 4th person is to be scrapped as most other areas do without it.

Of course, the union wants to keep the system as-is whether it is necessary or not.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
4 weeks ago

Pershore

Unite are dragging us back to the 70s and 80s and the 'sick man' of Europe days.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
4 weeks ago

Gilfach

"The “safety “ role of the 4th person is to be scrapped as most other areas do without it."

Plus if course, it's a major part of the wages discrimination case that Birmingham recently lost. The workers in the safety role got higher wages for taking on that safety duty. Other workers in different areas (like teaching assistants) didn't get a safety uplift, even though they had safety duties.

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
4 weeks ago

West Suffolk

"In a healthy democracy if people think they are being ill used by their employer.... surely they can withdraw their labour? Or do you think workers are not entitled to have rights?"

I don’t know the details of this particular case, and of course workers should have certain rights. But so should employers.

Nearly all strikes are either to get more pay or to object to an employer changing working practices and/or conditions.

If people go into a job thinking nothing will ever change except getting a big fat pay rise when you want one, then I think they’re naive.

If you hate your job that much, get another job. If you suddenly want to work 35 hours a week instead of 40 but your employer says he can’t accommodate that, get another job. If you loved the old “working from home” lark that lockdowns brought to many of us, but your employer wants you to come into the office full time, either go in the office or look for another job.

No people shouldn’t be sacked because they have been off sick for a while. No you shouldn’t be sacked because your kid has been in hospital and you wanted to be there. No employers shouldn’t be able to just turn the heating off. Yes you should have to right to appeal against an employer who only seems to promote men and not women.

But what’s not reasonable is to hold a business to ransom because the employer needs to cut 1% of the workforce to stay afloat, or start Saturday working because it’s the only way to increase productivity, or because they asked someone to not play a certain type of music at their desk because not everyone in ear shot liked it etc etc

Hypothetical situation…. if people want a 10% pay rise when inflation has been at 3% for the last year and forecasts are for it to flatline for the next 12 months, they shouldn’t be allowed to just hold the business (or in some cases the country) to ransom. Go get another job if you’re not happy.

This notion that everything else has to change to suit you is just ridiculous

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By *idnight RamblerMan
4 weeks ago

Pershore

"In a healthy democracy if people think they are being ill used by their employer.... surely they can withdraw their labour? Or do you think workers are not entitled to have rights?"

In theory yes, but in the past that 'right' was abused by politically motivated trade unions representing key workers to bl@ckmail the general population. Essentially that's what heralded the Thatcher era, and I'm not sure we want all that again.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
4 weeks ago

nearby

17 people affected with £8k per head pay cut and the council can’t make them a deal.

While 400,000 dwellings have refuse piled up

Only in the UK.

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By *ellhungvweMan
4 weeks ago

Cheltenham

"The “safety “ role of the 4th person is to be scrapped as most other areas do without it.

This is the actual issue as I understand it - the amount of money at stake for the individuals is negligible but it would set a precedent that means the ramifications for the wider payroll is huge. It’s not about the bin workers and everyone involved knows it.

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