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"David Lammy has announced £120million aid for Sudan In December he gave £50million to the new Syrian government £350million from UK for this year’s record £4.5 billion military support funding for Ukraine (2024/5) Labour Government have allocated £13.3 billion in foreign aid for 2024/25 and £13.7 billion in 2025/26. As the world's fifth largest aid donor, Britain spent £15.34 billion in Official Development Assistance (ODA) in 2023. This included domestic spending on refugee programmes, according to official government statistics. Ukraine, Ethiopia, Afghanistan and Syria were among the countries receiving the biggest share Yo pay for it, Uk Farmers, pensioners, and disabled all making their valuable contributions to foreign aid through higher tax’s and benefit cuts Elsewhere at home, austerity cuts and job losses (nhs, civil service etc) and reportedly a job lost every nine minutes Why the spending giveaway " because that's what labour do how they ever get voted in sheep just follow each other | |||
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"David Lammy has announced £120million aid for Sudan In December he gave £50million to the new Syrian government £350million from UK for this year’s record £4.5 billion military support funding for Ukraine (2024/5) Labour Government have allocated £13.3 billion in foreign aid for 2024/25 and £13.7 billion in 2025/26. As the world's fifth largest aid donor, Britain spent £15.34 billion in Official Development Assistance (ODA) in 2023. This included domestic spending on refugee programmes, according to official government statistics. Ukraine, Ethiopia, Afghanistan and Syria were among the countries receiving the biggest share Yo pay for it, Uk Farmers, pensioners, and disabled all making their valuable contributions to foreign aid through higher tax’s and benefit cuts Elsewhere at home, austerity cuts and job losses (nhs, civil service etc) and reportedly a job lost every nine minutes Why the spending giveaway " and still this government ignores gaza! | |||
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"David Lammy has announced £120million aid for Sudan In December he gave £50million to the new Syrian government £350million from UK for this year’s record £4.5 billion military support funding for Ukraine (2024/5) Labour Government have allocated £13.3 billion in foreign aid for 2024/25 and £13.7 billion in 2025/26. As the world's fifth largest aid donor, Britain spent £15.34 billion in Official Development Assistance (ODA) in 2023. This included domestic spending on refugee programmes, according to official government statistics. Ukraine, Ethiopia, Afghanistan and Syria were among the countries receiving the biggest share Yo pay for it, Uk Farmers, pensioners, and disabled all making their valuable contributions to foreign aid through higher tax’s and benefit cuts Elsewhere at home, austerity cuts and job losses (nhs, civil service etc) and reportedly a job lost every nine minutes Why the spending giveaway " There is no chance this money makes it's way to these places ...some of it will ...some if it is going to offshore accounts for the people / companies sending it All foreign aid should be stopped until Britain has actually been sorted ... the NHS is a mess, No housing for people, Taking £ from the most vulnerable in society, This govt make me 🤮 they are that busy giving money abroad they dont have Any left to sort the problems in Britain for British people | |||
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"I do despair, I really do. It projects "soft power" around the world. Other countries have resources. Resources we'd find useful for our own industries. Mining rights, for example. . It may be called "Foreign Aid", but it does come with conditions. These are rarely if ever disclosed to the general public and a lot of the time kept on the down low. . It's about access to resources, it's about being a friend to someone who is our enemy, it's about leverage, alliances, and manoeuvring carefully on the world stage. . In short...politics, and opportunity." And it's not exclusive to Labour governments. Or are people as dense as they portray themselves? | |||
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"And it's not exclusive to Labour governments. Or are people as dense as they portray themselves?" I don't feel it's denseness as such. More a lack of awareness that there are nuances in the political world which are not telegraphed openly to the general public for many reasons. Whether this is an educational failing, I don't know. | |||
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" all p wanted was 300 pound for winter fuel and i was told we had a blk hole with no money in it so were s thislot of money cumming from" They're having us off. They thought inventing a blackhole would shame up the Tories. The government is loaded, we live in a 24hr 7 day a week society. The government is raking it in. Don't let them kid you. | |||
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" all p wanted was 300 pound for winter fuel and i was told we had a blk hole with no money in it so were s thislot of money cumming from They're having us off. They thought inventing a blackhole would shame up the Tories. The government is loaded, we live in a 24hr 7 day a week society. The government is raking it in. Don't let them kid you." The treasury income is reported at £1.06trn for this last year. Uk gdp is £3.1trn. The UK Treasury's tax revenue is projected to reach 37.7% of GDP by 2027-28, representing the highest level of tax ever seen in the UK. Giving money away here and overseas, while 3 million using food banks, 7 million waiting nhs treatment and 1.1 million on council house waiting lists to mention just a few. How can they cut disabled benefits, pensioners fuel allowance and tax farmland used for growing food and then justify pissing billions away. | |||
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" all p wanted was 300 pound for winter fuel and i was told we had a blk hole with no money in it so were s thislot of money cumming from" After all the squabbling and finger pointing it goes on the national debt balance. Which costs the taxpayer £300million a day in interest. | |||
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"And it's not exclusive to Labour governments. Or are people as dense as they portray themselves? I don't feel it's denseness as such. More a lack of awareness that there are nuances in the political world which are not telegraphed openly to the general public for many reasons. Whether this is an educational failing, I don't know. " People aren’t dense they are angry Asylum in hotels, jets for Lammy, £73million on the kings coronation While crying hard up, oh the tories, oh the black hole, oh war in Ukraine, Mr Trumps tariffs, the nasty EU, people with the broadest shoulders… Every fucker except themselves. | |||
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"Soft power evangelists never learn! We were caught out a little over 6 weeks ago, forcing Starmer to acknowledge the need to improve our own defence as the US backed away and leaving Europe to face into Russia alone! The money to start the rebuild of our defences coming from the foreign aid budget, Starmer said, and here we are giving away the cash "we need", again.." America are still part of NATO and there's no date been set that they will leave (I don't think they will personally) but trump for all his faults is right that Europe needs to step up defensively.. | |||
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"Soft power evangelists never learn! We were caught out a little over 6 weeks ago, forcing Starmer to acknowledge the need to improve our own defence as the US backed away and leaving Europe to face into Russia alone! The money to start the rebuild of our defences coming from the foreign aid budget, Starmer said, and here we are giving away the cash "we need", again.. America are still part of NATO and there's no date been set that they will leave (I don't think they will personally) but trump for all his faults is right that Europe needs to step up defensively.. " 
The underlying problem with NATO is Ukraine is not part of it and any country can choose how to respond to article 5.
The US has indicated it’s stepping back from European border conflicts, loud and clear, so the pressure is on Europe through Trump as you mentioned to step up their defences, and that’s exactly what we heard for a couple of weeks from European leaders.
It amazes me how quickly these things are forgotten, especially after how much anger it created, and even the recent noise about why we need to nationalise British Steel to support if we were to get into conflict.
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"Soft power evangelists never learn! We were caught out a little over 6 weeks ago, forcing Starmer to acknowledge the need to improve our own defence as the US backed away and leaving Europe to face into Russia alone! The money to start the rebuild of our defences coming from the foreign aid budget, Starmer said, and here we are giving away the cash "we need", again.. America are still part of NATO and there's no date been set that they will leave (I don't think they will personally) but trump for all his faults is right that Europe needs to step up defensively..
The underlying problem with NATO is Ukraine is not part of it and any country can choose how to respond to article 5.
The US has indicated it’s stepping back from European border conflicts, loud and clear, so the pressure is on Europe through Trump as you mentioned to step up their defences, and that’s exactly what we heard for a couple of weeks from European leaders.
It amazes me how quickly these things are forgotten, especially after how much anger it created, and even the recent noise about why we need to nationalise British Steel to support if we were to get into conflict.
"Strategically we have been a mess for decades, both nationally and internationally so whilst I'm no fan of the orange man child in many areas the reality is we need to look to our selves be that as part of a collective in certain areas with the countries we share the continent and our own infrastructure and essential utilities.. We are vulnerable in many areas largely because we didn't look at the bigger picture and the distraction of short term greed in selling the family heirlooms.. Given our rush in the west of the continent to dismantle our defence capabilities post 89 I'm not sure that even if (very big if) Ukraine would have been allowed in we would have been strong enough then to contain the inevitable attack from the East.. We are on the right track but it'll take years and Russia is ahead of us production wise even with their faults shown in the last three plus years .. | |||
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"Soft power evangelists never learn! We were caught out a little over 6 weeks ago, forcing Starmer to acknowledge the need to improve our own defence as the US backed away and leaving Europe to face into Russia alone! The money to start the rebuild of our defences coming from the foreign aid budget, Starmer said, and here we are giving away the cash "we need", again.. America are still part of NATO and there's no date been set that they will leave (I don't think they will personally) but trump for all his faults is right that Europe needs to step up defensively..
The underlying problem with NATO is Ukraine is not part of it and any country can choose how to respond to article 5.
The US has indicated it’s stepping back from European border conflicts, loud and clear, so the pressure is on Europe through Trump as you mentioned to step up their defences, and that’s exactly what we heard for a couple of weeks from European leaders.
It amazes me how quickly these things are forgotten, especially after how much anger it created, and even the recent noise about why we need to nationalise British Steel to support if we were to get into conflict.
Strategically we have been a mess for decades, both nationally and internationally so whilst I'm no fan of the orange man child in many areas the reality is we need to look to our selves be that as part of a collective in certain areas with the countries we share the continent and our own infrastructure and essential utilities..
We are vulnerable in many areas largely because we didn't look at the bigger picture and the distraction of short term greed in selling the family heirlooms..
Given our rush in the west of the continent to dismantle our defence capabilities post 89 I'm not sure that even if (very big if) Ukraine would have been allowed in we would have been strong enough then to contain the inevitable attack from the East..
We are on the right track but it'll take years and Russia is ahead of us production wise even with their faults shown in the last three plus years .."Poland has built a very capable force, it was accelerated after Crimea and Russian bad intent. It is a formidable force now and something the Russians wouldn't want to tangle with I would have thought. We can get there, we need to focus and stop allowing ourselves to be side tracked with global noise that can do without our interference, we can get back to that when we can actually defend ourselves. 
The one area I feel we would really struggle is recruitment in the drive to go big, we need to make it worthwhile, promote the positives in terms of the trades and skills that can be used after service.
As for spending, we shouldn’t be crawling toward 2.5% in 2 years, we should be targeting 4 – 5% by 2030, minimum.
We could afford it, if we stop giving money away under illusions that soft power solves hard problems and invest in providing a solid base for younger generations to learn skills and trades that will be of societal use, rather than the straight to uni route. | |||
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"If all the worlds billionaires put in one billion would solve all the worlds problems" Except that most of them don't have a billion to spare. Most of those classed as billionaires are being assessed on their share holdings. They don't actually have the cash to hand over. | |||
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"If all the worlds billionaires put in one billion would solve all the worlds problems " Will raise about $3trn Equivalent to $375 for every person on the globe. | |||
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"Soft power evangelists never learn! We were caught out a little over 6 weeks ago, forcing Starmer to acknowledge the need to improve our own defence as the US backed away and leaving Europe to face into Russia alone! The money to start the rebuild of our defences coming from the foreign aid budget, Starmer said, and here we are giving away the cash "we need", again.. America are still part of NATO and there's no date been set that they will leave (I don't think they will personally) but trump for all his faults is right that Europe needs to step up defensively..
The underlying problem with NATO is Ukraine is not part of it and any country can choose how to respond to article 5.
The US has indicated it’s stepping back from European border conflicts, loud and clear, so the pressure is on Europe through Trump as you mentioned to step up their defences, and that’s exactly what we heard for a couple of weeks from European leaders.
It amazes me how quickly these things are forgotten, especially after how much anger it created, and even the recent noise about why we need to nationalise British Steel to support if we were to get into conflict.
Strategically we have been a mess for decades, both nationally and internationally so whilst I'm no fan of the orange man child in many areas the reality is we need to look to our selves be that as part of a collective in certain areas with the countries we share the continent and our own infrastructure and essential utilities..
We are vulnerable in many areas largely because we didn't look at the bigger picture and the distraction of short term greed in selling the family heirlooms..
Given our rush in the west of the continent to dismantle our defence capabilities post 89 I'm not sure that even if (very big if) Ukraine would have been allowed in we would have been strong enough then to contain the inevitable attack from the East..
We are on the right track but it'll take years and Russia is ahead of us production wise even with their faults shown in the last three plus years ..
Poland has built a very capable force, it was accelerated after Crimea and Russian bad intent. It is a formidable force now and something the Russians wouldn't want to tangle with I would have thought.
We can get there, we need to focus and stop allowing ourselves to be side tracked with global noise that can do without our interference, we can get back to that when we can actually defend ourselves.
The one area I feel we would really struggle is recruitment in the drive to go big, we need to make it worthwhile, promote the positives in terms of the trades and skills that can be used after service.
As for spending, we shouldn’t be crawling toward 2.5% in 2 years, we should be targeting 4 – 5% by 2030, minimum.
We could afford it, if we stop giving money away under illusions that soft power solves hard problems and invest in providing a solid base for younger generations to learn skills and trades that will be of societal use, rather than the straight to uni route."Tend to agree on the whole with that.. | |||
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"Soft power evangelists never learn! We were caught out a little over 6 weeks ago, forcing Starmer to acknowledge the need to improve our own defence as the US backed away and leaving Europe to face into Russia alone! The money to start the rebuild of our defences coming from the foreign aid budget, Starmer said, and here we are giving away the cash "we need", again.. America are still part of NATO and there's no date been set that they will leave (I don't think they will personally) but trump for all his faults is right that Europe needs to step up defensively..
The underlying problem with NATO is Ukraine is not part of it and any country can choose how to respond to article 5.
The US has indicated it’s stepping back from European border conflicts, loud and clear, so the pressure is on Europe through Trump as you mentioned to step up their defences, and that’s exactly what we heard for a couple of weeks from European leaders.
It amazes me how quickly these things are forgotten, especially after how much anger it created, and even the recent noise about why we need to nationalise British Steel to support if we were to get into conflict.
Strategically we have been a mess for decades, both nationally and internationally so whilst I'm no fan of the orange man child in many areas the reality is we need to look to our selves be that as part of a collective in certain areas with the countries we share the continent and our own infrastructure and essential utilities..
We are vulnerable in many areas largely because we didn't look at the bigger picture and the distraction of short term greed in selling the family heirlooms..
Given our rush in the west of the continent to dismantle our defence capabilities post 89 I'm not sure that even if (very big if) Ukraine would have been allowed in we would have been strong enough then to contain the inevitable attack from the East..
We are on the right track but it'll take years and Russia is ahead of us production wise even with their faults shown in the last three plus years ..
Poland has built a very capable force, it was accelerated after Crimea and Russian bad intent. It is a formidable force now and something the Russians wouldn't want to tangle with I would have thought.
We can get there, we need to focus and stop allowing ourselves to be side tracked with global noise that can do without our interference, we can get back to that when we can actually defend ourselves.
The one area I feel we would really struggle is recruitment in the drive to go big, we need to make it worthwhile, promote the positives in terms of the trades and skills that can be used after service.
As for spending, we shouldn’t be crawling toward 2.5% in 2 years, we should be targeting 4 – 5% by 2030, minimum.
We could afford it, if we stop giving money away under illusions that soft power solves hard problems and invest in providing a solid base for younger generations to learn skills and trades that will be of societal use, rather than the straight to uni route." | |||
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"Our world in data: The UK only fulfilled its 0.7 ish % of gross national income on foreign aid (not including military assistance), between 2013 and 2020. All other years since 1960 it has been less. That tells me the previous govt gave more money away." When we have sorted this country's problems, by all means focus on helping overseas issues and, by being able to focus, we can be far more effective, but until then, it's not our problem to solve | |||
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"Our world in data: The UK only fulfilled its 0.7 ish % of gross national income on foreign aid (not including military assistance), between 2013 and 2020. All other years since 1960 it has been less. That tells me the previous govt gave more money away. When we have sorted this country's problems, by all means focus on helping overseas issues and, by being able to focus, we can be far more effective, but until then, it's not our problem to solve" Soft power is not about solely "solving other countries problems". It's about reciprocity and advancing our interests in an ever increasingly globally competitive world. . Because if we don't, others will. And they do. And they advance their interests at our missed opportunity and longer term expense. . It really does feel that something is missing in some mindsets that see crossing the road as simply going from A to B, whereas others perceive a spider's web of possible routes and inter-dependencies and connections, with opportunity and danger, alliances and enemies, and all the interesting and necessary Machiavellian stuff encompassing the whole. But then, the world would be boring if we all thought the same. (And it'd be even more frustrating because no one would do anything differently. Welcome to entropy, I guess.) | |||
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"David Lammy has announced £120million aid for Sudan In December he gave £50million to the new Syrian government £350million from UK for this year’s record £4.5 billion military support funding for Ukraine (2024/5) Labour Government have allocated £13.3 billion in foreign aid for 2024/25 and £13.7 billion in 2025/26. As the world's fifth largest aid donor, Britain spent £15.34 billion in Official Development Assistance (ODA) in 2023. This included domestic spending on refugee programmes, according to official government statistics. Ukraine, Ethiopia, Afghanistan and Syria were among the countries receiving the biggest share Yo pay for it, Uk Farmers, pensioners, and disabled all making their valuable contributions to foreign aid through higher tax’s and benefit cuts Elsewhere at home, austerity cuts and job losses (nhs, civil service etc) and reportedly a job lost every nine minutes Why the spending giveaway There is no chance this money makes it's way to these places ...some of it will ...some if it is going to offshore accounts for the people / companies sending it All foreign aid should be stopped until Britain has actually been sorted ... the NHS is a mess, No housing for people, Taking £ from the most vulnerable in society, This govt make me 🤮 they are that busy giving money abroad they dont have Any left to sort the problems in Britain for British people " You seem to be very knowledgeable in this transition of cash to people's pockets. You know a lot....perhaps too much, to be innocent 🤔🤔 | |||
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"David Lammy has announced £120million aid for Sudan In December he gave £50million to the new Syrian government £350million from UK for this year’s record £4.5 billion military support funding for Ukraine (2024/5) Labour Government have allocated £13.3 billion in foreign aid for 2024/25 and £13.7 billion in 2025/26. As the world's fifth largest aid donor, Britain spent £15.34 billion in Official Development Assistance (ODA) in 2023. This included domestic spending on refugee programmes, according to official government statistics. Ukraine, Ethiopia, Afghanistan and Syria were among the countries receiving the biggest share Yo pay for it, Uk Farmers, pensioners, and disabled all making their valuable contributions to foreign aid through higher tax’s and benefit cuts Elsewhere at home, austerity cuts and job losses (nhs, civil service etc) and reportedly a job lost every nine minutes Why the spending giveaway " Do they ever publish what they got in return for these donations? It would be helpful so they can show for instance, 10 years ago the UK gave £50 million to country X and now thanks to that we have better trade deal with them than would otherwise be the case. This is generating £100 million extra per year for the UK. Something along those lines. | |||
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" Do they ever publish what they got in return for these donations? It would be helpful so they can show for instance, 10 years ago the UK gave £50 million to country X and now thanks to that we have better trade deal with them than would otherwise be the case. This is generating £100 million extra per year for the UK. Something along those lines. " One would assume in the interests of transparency and for oversight, such figures would be available for scrutiny. But I would not assume all are for general public consumption, and some are very likely to be highly obfuscated and known only to a few. . For example, Country X has a water shortage and wells are needed. They openly declare £25 million is needed for wells. In reality, £50 million is needed, but the extra £25 million is "off the books". This is because the country are fighting a counter-insurgency backed by a nation hostile to the donoring country. PMC's backed by the hostile nation are operating in the country needing the water wells. Donor country thus donate £25 million to the nation under duress for their own arm, or to buy arms off us, or for our own PMC's. In return, we get access rights to a resource we desire, and prevent hostile nation securing it for themselves. And the nation under duress get wells dug. If anything, digging the wells was a convenient sideline but it facilitated the narrative for operations and assistance elsewhere. . This is what I mean when I discuss "soft power" in other posts, but not all folks are cognisant of the murky world out there. Most could hazard a guess I should imagine, but this doesn't even scratch the surface. It's not so much a conspiracy, as more a case of everyone's up to their neck in shady shit. | |||
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