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"And Iran told to stop supporting them. Scary times?" Same old crap unfortunately. If trump was tough on netenyahu as he was with zelenski then I doubt this shit would be going on. I just hope trump doesn't get dragged into a war with Iran. It's against US interests and the region as a whole (except for Israel that is) | |||
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"They've had it coming for a long time." Absolutely, Mrs x | |||
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"They've had it coming for a long time." Air strikes alone rarely work though The Saudis did sir strikes The RAF did air strikes.now thr USA have done more air strikes Only real effective way is land invasion - invade then occupy Or have a massive war with Iran | |||
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"And Iran told to stop supporting them. Scary times?" Oh yes getting back to the op, yes it can be scary times. It's something that netenyahu would like to see. Namely a direct war with Iran and the USA, most likely involving the UK too. Netenyahu write a book a few years ago (I forget th title fo now) in that he listed countries to be attacked for supplying the likes of Hamas houthis hesbolah and critics of Israel: If netenyahu can manipulate the USA into a war with Iran then netenyahu will win the terror wars in the middle east and with heavy casualties on USA and UK forces no doubt. He might even be invited to lie to the world again in Washington and give another speach like he did on Iraq, where he guaranteed that if Saddam Hussein was toppled that democracy would flourish in the middle east. I'm afraid that th USA will fall for netenyahu's lies again | |||
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"And Iran told to stop supporting them. Scary times? Oh yes getting back to the op, yes it can be scary times. It's something that netenyahu would like to see. Namely a direct war with Iran and the USA, most likely involving the UK too. Netenyahu write a book a few years ago (I forget th title fo now) in that he listed countries to be attacked for supplying the likes of Hamas houthis hesbolah and critics of Israel: If netenyahu can manipulate the USA into a war with Iran then netenyahu will win the terror wars in the middle east and with heavy casualties on USA and UK forces no doubt. He might even be invited to lie to the world again in Washington and give another speach like he did on Iraq, where he guaranteed that if Saddam Hussein was toppled that democracy would flourish in the middle east. I'm afraid that th USA will fall for netenyahu's lies again " Trying to join the dots  if they didn't keep attacking shipping in the area they would not be on the receiving end of the US airforce. | |||
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"And Iran told to stop supporting them. Scary times? Same old crap unfortunately. If trump was tough on netenyahu as he was with zelenski then I doubt this shit would be going on. I just hope trump doesn't get dragged into a war with Iran. It's against US interests and the region as a whole (except for Israel that is) " Netanyahu has his faults and bears the responsibility for some of the deaths of innocents but he's not the one in Yemen attacking any ship they can, that's the terrorists backed and supplied by Iran.. | |||
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"And Iran told to stop supporting them. Scary times? Oh yes getting back to the op, yes it can be scary times. It's something that netenyahu would like to see. Namely a direct war with Iran and the USA, most likely involving the UK too. Netenyahu write a book a few years ago (I forget th title fo now) in that he listed countries to be attacked for supplying the likes of Hamas houthis hesbolah and critics of Israel: If netenyahu can manipulate the USA into a war with Iran then netenyahu will win the terror wars in the middle east and with heavy casualties on USA and UK forces no doubt. He might even be invited to lie to the world again in Washington and give another speach like he did on Iraq, where he guaranteed that if Saddam Hussein was toppled that democracy would flourish in the middle east. I'm afraid that th USA will fall for netenyahu's lies again Trying to join the dots if they didn't keep attacking shipping in the area they would not be on the receiving end of the US airforce. "And the Saudi air force and the RAF... Firstly it doesn't seem to stop the attacks.. Secondly they are attacking shipping in the area in support of Hamas and hat Israel are up to. Despite American announcements | |||
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"And Iran told to stop supporting them. Scary times? Oh yes getting back to the op, yes it can be scary times. It's something that netenyahu would like to see. Namely a direct war with Iran and the USA, most likely involving the UK too. Netenyahu write a book a few years ago (I forget th title fo now) in that he listed countries to be attacked for supplying the likes of Hamas houthis hesbolah and critics of Israel: If netenyahu can manipulate the USA into a war with Iran then netenyahu will win the terror wars in the middle east and with heavy casualties on USA and UK forces no doubt. He might even be invited to lie to the world again in Washington and give another speach like he did on Iraq, where he guaranteed that if Saddam Hussein was toppled that democracy would flourish in the middle east. I'm afraid that th USA will fall for netenyahu's lies again Trying to join the dots if they didn't keep attacking shipping in the area they would not be on the receiving end of the US airforce.
And the Saudi air force and the RAF...
Firstly it doesn't seem to stop the attacks..
Secondly they are attacking shipping in the area in support of Hamas and hat Israel are up to. Despite American announcements"One of the ships attacked and sunk was under the Greek flag.. There's been over 140 attacks on commercial shipping as well as those upon American and UK based .. The Houthi are terrorists yet you seem only to further deflect and show your hatred of Israel rather than look with any objectivity whatsoever? | |||
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""God is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse be upon the Jews, Victory to Islam" - the slogan on the Houthi flag. Houthis serve no practical or positive purpose for their own people. They are proxies of Iran who work against the interests of Yemen to get involved in ideological wars against "the West". Why would one of the most impoverished nations in the Middle East be attacking international shipping and a country 1500 miles away who have no beef with them? Iran had sold them ideological poison, administered by Houthis leaders to a sick and dying (uneducated) population. " Well They wouldn't have slogans like "Israel is marvelous" etc. so not suprising Houthis are referred to as an Iran-aligned group and said their attacks are a response to Israel’snatrocities in Gaza, and the international community’s failure to put an end to it - primarily trying to hit Israeli linked shhpping - though the Americans deny that for some reason. analysts said that the houthis should not be seen as an Iranian proxy - They have its own base, its own interests – and own agendas. I will also say that it has caused the biggest humanitarian crisis and the UN has demanded it stops the attacks on shipping but it is linked to Israel's atrocities in Gaza. Lack of consistency in international law and actions don't help | |||
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"And Iran told to stop supporting them. Scary times? Oh yes getting back to the op, yes it can be scary times. It's something that netenyahu would like to see. Namely a direct war with Iran and the USA, most likely involving the UK too. Netenyahu write a book a few years ago (I forget th title fo now) in that he listed countries to be attacked for supplying the likes of Hamas houthis hesbolah and critics of Israel: If netenyahu can manipulate the USA into a war with Iran then netenyahu will win the terror wars in the middle east and with heavy casualties on USA and UK forces no doubt. He might even be invited to lie to the world again in Washington and give another speach like he did on Iraq, where he guaranteed that if Saddam Hussein was toppled that democracy would flourish in the middle east. I'm afraid that th USA will fall for netenyahu's lies again Trying to join the dots if they didn't keep attacking shipping in the area they would not be on the receiving end of the US airforce.
And the Saudi air force and the RAF...
Firstly it doesn't seem to stop the attacks..
Secondly they are attacking shipping in the area in support of Hamas and hat Israel are up to. Despite American announcements
One of the ships attacked and sunk was under the Greek flag..
There's been over 140 attacks on commercial shipping as well as those upon American and UK based ..
The Houthi are terrorists yet you seem only to further deflect and show your hatred of Israel rather than look with any objectivity whatsoever?"Just to clarify some points here. That's what the houthis say not necessarily what they do. You say I'm deflecting what they do to blame Israel and my hatred of Israel which is wrong. It's the hatred of injustice,ndouble standards and the allowance and cover ups of atrocities in the world - in this case it happens to be fanatics in Israel committing terrorism which you seem to defend. Justice and consistency of the law is only way forward and if you support double standards then your just as guilty of the perpetrators. Israel is not an exception to the law and international justice The saying 'where the law ends - tyranny begins ' and afraid you support tyranny | |||
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"And Iran told to stop supporting them. Scary times? Oh yes getting back to the op, yes it can be scary times. It's something that netenyahu would like to see. Namely a direct war with Iran and the USA, most likely involving the UK too. Netenyahu write a book a few years ago (I forget th title fo now) in that he listed countries to be attacked for supplying the likes of Hamas houthis hesbolah and critics of Israel: If netenyahu can manipulate the USA into a war with Iran then netenyahu will win the terror wars in the middle east and with heavy casualties on USA and UK forces no doubt. He might even be invited to lie to the world again in Washington and give another speach like he did on Iraq, where he guaranteed that if Saddam Hussein was toppled that democracy would flourish in the middle east. I'm afraid that th USA will fall for netenyahu's lies again Trying to join the dots if they didn't keep attacking shipping in the area they would not be on the receiving end of the US airforce.
And the Saudi air force and the RAF...
Firstly it doesn't seem to stop the attacks..
Secondly they are attacking shipping in the area in support of Hamas and hat Israel are up to. Despite American announcements
One of the ships attacked and sunk was under the Greek flag..
There's been over 140 attacks on commercial shipping as well as those upon American and UK based ..
The Houthi are terrorists yet you seem only to further deflect and show your hatred of Israel rather than look with any objectivity whatsoever?
Just to clarify some points here. That's what the houthis say not necessarily what they do.
You say I'm deflecting what they do to blame Israel and my hatred of Israel which is wrong.
It's the hatred of injustice,ndouble standards and the allowance and cover ups of atrocities in the world - in this case it happens to be fanatics in Israel committing terrorism which you seem to defend.
Justice and consistency of the law is only way forward and if you support double standards then your just as guilty of the perpetrators.
Israel is not an exception to the law and international justice
The saying 'where the law ends - tyranny begins ' and afraid you support tyranny "I've not mentioned Israel from a personal perspective in this thread, oh yeah apart from stating Netanyahu has blood on his hands in relation to some of the deaths of innocents.. Feel free to also trawl through my contributions in this forum where in the last 18 months I've consistently been critical of all sides since Oct 7 who have killed innocents too .. Bs claims stating I'm defending anyone committing terrorism are puerile and unfounded and only serve to show that what I said about your lack of objectivity in fact blind hatred of Israel which is writ clear in these forums .. Don't try to lecture anyone on the law FFS your in no place to even try to hide behind such things.. | |||
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"And Iran told to stop supporting them. Scary times? Oh yes getting back to the op, yes it can be scary times. It's something that netenyahu would like to see. Namely a direct war with Iran and the USA, most likely involving the UK too. Netenyahu write a book a few years ago (I forget th title fo now) in that he listed countries to be attacked for supplying the likes of Hamas houthis hesbolah and critics of Israel: If netenyahu can manipulate the USA into a war with Iran then netenyahu will win the terror wars in the middle east and with heavy casualties on USA and UK forces no doubt. He might even be invited to lie to the world again in Washington and give another speach like he did on Iraq, where he guaranteed that if Saddam Hussein was toppled that democracy would flourish in the middle east. I'm afraid that th USA will fall for netenyahu's lies again Trying to join the dots if they didn't keep attacking shipping in the area they would not be on the receiving end of the US airforce.
And the Saudi air force and the RAF...
Firstly it doesn't seem to stop the attacks..
Secondly they are attacking shipping in the area in support of Hamas and hat Israel are up to. Despite American announcements
One of the ships attacked and sunk was under the Greek flag..
There's been over 140 attacks on commercial shipping as well as those upon American and UK based ..
The Houthi are terrorists yet you seem only to further deflect and show your hatred of Israel rather than look with any objectivity whatsoever?
Just to clarify some points here. That's what the houthis say not necessarily what they do.
You say I'm deflecting what they do to blame Israel and my hatred of Israel which is wrong.
It's the hatred of injustice,ndouble standards and the allowance and cover ups of atrocities in the world - in this case it happens to be fanatics in Israel committing terrorism which you seem to defend.
Justice and consistency of the law is only way forward and if you support double standards then your just as guilty of the perpetrators.
Israel is not an exception to the law and international justice
The saying 'where the law ends - tyranny begins ' and afraid you support tyranny
I've not mentioned Israel from a personal perspective in this thread, oh yeah apart from stating Netanyahu has blood on his hands in relation to some of the deaths of innocents..
Feel free to also trawl through my contributions in this forum where in the last 18 months I've consistently been critical of all sides since Oct 7 who have killed innocents too ..
Bs claims stating I'm defending anyone committing terrorism are puerile and unfounded and only serve to show that what I said about your lack of objectivity in fact blind hatred of Israel which is writ clear in these forums ..
Don't try to lecture anyone on the law FFS your in no place to even try to hide behind such things.."Your in no place to lecture me on double standards I've also said nothing about your other statements othe than you accusing me (incorrectly I might add) about hating Israel m I'll say it again - it's the double standards and support of a tyrant like netenyahu that's cost the lives of thousands including Israelis that I'm against. You think what you like but don't you give me lectures on what I think based on your opnions.! | |||
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"And Iran told to stop supporting them. Scary times? Oh yes getting back to the op, yes it can be scary times. It's something that netenyahu would like to see. Namely a direct war with Iran and the USA, most likely involving the UK too. Netenyahu write a book a few years ago (I forget th title fo now) in that he listed countries to be attacked for supplying the likes of Hamas houthis hesbolah and critics of Israel: If netenyahu can manipulate the USA into a war with Iran then netenyahu will win the terror wars in the middle east and with heavy casualties on USA and UK forces no doubt. He might even be invited to lie to the world again in Washington and give another speach like he did on Iraq, where he guaranteed that if Saddam Hussein was toppled that democracy would flourish in the middle east. I'm afraid that th USA will fall for netenyahu's lies again Trying to join the dots if they didn't keep attacking shipping in the area they would not be on the receiving end of the US airforce.
And the Saudi air force and the RAF...
Firstly it doesn't seem to stop the attacks..
Secondly they are attacking shipping in the area in support of Hamas and hat Israel are up to. Despite American announcements
One of the ships attacked and sunk was under the Greek flag..
There's been over 140 attacks on commercial shipping as well as those upon American and UK based ..
The Houthi are terrorists yet you seem only to further deflect and show your hatred of Israel rather than look with any objectivity whatsoever?
Just to clarify some points here. That's what the houthis say not necessarily what they do.
You say I'm deflecting what they do to blame Israel and my hatred of Israel which is wrong.
It's the hatred of injustice,ndouble standards and the allowance and cover ups of atrocities in the world - in this case it happens to be fanatics in Israel committing terrorism which you seem to defend.
Justice and consistency of the law is only way forward and if you support double standards then your just as guilty of the perpetrators.
Israel is not an exception to the law and international justice
The saying 'where the law ends - tyranny begins ' and afraid you support tyranny
I've not mentioned Israel from a personal perspective in this thread, oh yeah apart from stating Netanyahu has blood on his hands in relation to some of the deaths of innocents..
Feel free to also trawl through my contributions in this forum where in the last 18 months I've consistently been critical of all sides since Oct 7 who have killed innocents too ..
Bs claims stating I'm defending anyone committing terrorism are puerile and unfounded and only serve to show that what I said about your lack of objectivity in fact blind hatred of Israel which is writ clear in these forums ..
Don't try to lecture anyone on the law FFS your in no place to even try to hide behind such things..
Your in no place to lecture me on double standards
I've also said nothing about your other statements othe than you accusing me (incorrectly I might add) about hating Israel m
I'll say it again - it's the double standards and support of a tyrant like netenyahu that's cost the lives of thousands including Israelis that I'm against.
You think what you like but don't you give me lectures on what I think based on your opnions.!"Listen you clearly did by saying I'm defending Israel's terrorism which is a lie .. You've got previous with other posters in attacking them whenever anyone disagrees with your opinion which is so far from any objective viewpoint it's biased beyond common sense.. Enjoy your warped perspective but I'm done with you.. | |||
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"And Iran told to stop supporting them. Scary times? Oh yes getting back to the op, yes it can be scary times. It's something that netenyahu would like to see. Namely a direct war with Iran and the USA, most likely involving the UK too. Netenyahu write a book a few years ago (I forget th title fo now) in that he listed countries to be attacked for supplying the likes of Hamas houthis hesbolah and critics of Israel: If netenyahu can manipulate the USA into a war with Iran then netenyahu will win the terror wars in the middle east and with heavy casualties on USA and UK forces no doubt. He might even be invited to lie to the world again in Washington and give another speach like he did on Iraq, where he guaranteed that if Saddam Hussein was toppled that democracy would flourish in the middle east. I'm afraid that th USA will fall for netenyahu's lies again Trying to join the dots if they didn't keep attacking shipping in the area they would not be on the receiving end of the US airforce.
And the Saudi air force and the RAF...
Firstly it doesn't seem to stop the attacks..
Secondly they are attacking shipping in the area in support of Hamas and hat Israel are up to. Despite American announcements
One of the ships attacked and sunk was under the Greek flag..
There's been over 140 attacks on commercial shipping as well as those upon American and UK based ..
The Houthi are terrorists yet you seem only to further deflect and show your hatred of Israel rather than look with any objectivity whatsoever?
Just to clarify some points here. That's what the houthis say not necessarily what they do.
You say I'm deflecting what they do to blame Israel and my hatred of Israel which is wrong.
It's the hatred of injustice,ndouble standards and the allowance and cover ups of atrocities in the world - in this case it happens to be fanatics in Israel committing terrorism which you seem to defend.
Justice and consistency of the law is only way forward and if you support double standards then your just as guilty of the perpetrators.
Israel is not an exception to the law and international justice
The saying 'where the law ends - tyranny begins ' and afraid you support tyranny
I've not mentioned Israel from a personal perspective in this thread, oh yeah apart from stating Netanyahu has blood on his hands in relation to some of the deaths of innocents..
Feel free to also trawl through my contributions in this forum where in the last 18 months I've consistently been critical of all sides since Oct 7 who have killed innocents too ..
Bs claims stating I'm defending anyone committing terrorism are puerile and unfounded and only serve to show that what I said about your lack of objectivity in fact blind hatred of Israel which is writ clear in these forums ..
Don't try to lecture anyone on the law FFS your in no place to even try to hide behind such things..
Your in no place to lecture me on double standards
I've also said nothing about your other statements othe than you accusing me (incorrectly I might add) about hating Israel m
I'll say it again - it's the double standards and support of a tyrant like netenyahu that's cost the lives of thousands including Israelis that I'm against.
You think what you like but don't you give me lectures on what I think based on your opnions.!
Listen you clearly did by saying I'm defending Israel's terrorism which is a lie ..
You've got previous with other posters in attacking them whenever anyone disagrees with your opinion which is so far from any objective viewpoint it's biased beyond common sense..
Enjoy your warped perspective but I'm done with you.."Goodbye -supporter and lecturer on double standards  | |||
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"I can see why America is doing this. But I hope the attacks are intelligence led. Just bombing an area doesn’t work, only the innocents get killed. The actual terrorists are hiding behind them, just like any other middle eastern conflict." Arab reports suggest six Houthi leaders were killed overnight. Presumably with their families. | |||
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""God is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse be upon the Jews, Victory to Islam" - the slogan on the Houthi flag. ... Well They wouldn't have slogans like "Israel is marvelous" etc. so not suprising " Just to make sure that people don't misunderstand them when they say "Death to Israel" and think "oh, these guys just don't like Zionists, or the state of Israel", they're kind enough to add (on their flag, of all places) "Curse be upon the Jews". To make extra sure that their anti-Semitism is proudly on record. " analysts said that the houthis should not be seen as an Iranian proxy - They have its own base, its own interests – and own agendas. " Which analysts, exactly? Real question. | |||
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"And Iran told to stop supporting them. Scary times? Oh yes getting back to the op, yes it can be scary times. It's something that netenyahu would like to see. Namely a direct war with Iran and the USA, most likely involving the UK too. Netenyahu write a book a few years ago (I forget th title fo now) in that he listed countries to be attacked for supplying the likes of Hamas houthis hesbolah and critics of Israel: If netenyahu can manipulate the USA into a war with Iran then netenyahu will win the terror wars in the middle east and with heavy casualties on USA and UK forces no doubt. He might even be invited to lie to the world again in Washington and give another speach like he did on Iraq, where he guaranteed that if Saddam Hussein was toppled that democracy would flourish in the middle east. I'm afraid that th USA will fall for netenyahu's lies again Trying to join the dots if they didn't keep attacking shipping in the area they would not be on the receiving end of the US airforce.
And the Saudi air force and the RAF...
Firstly it doesn't seem to stop the attacks..
Secondly they are attacking shipping in the area in support of Hamas and hat Israel are up to. Despite American announcements
One of the ships attacked and sunk was under the Greek flag..
There's been over 140 attacks on commercial shipping as well as those upon American and UK based ..
The Houthi are terrorists yet you seem only to further deflect and show your hatred of Israel rather than look with any objectivity whatsoever?
Just to clarify some points here. That's what the houthis say not necessarily what they do.
You say I'm deflecting what they do to blame Israel and my hatred of Israel which is wrong.
It's the hatred of injustice,ndouble standards and the allowance and cover ups of atrocities in the world - in this case it happens to be fanatics in Israel committing terrorism which you seem to defend.
Justice and consistency of the law is only way forward and if you support double standards then your just as guilty of the perpetrators.
Israel is not an exception to the law and international justice
The saying 'where the law ends - tyranny begins ' and afraid you support tyranny
I've not mentioned Israel from a personal perspective in this thread, oh yeah apart from stating Netanyahu has blood on his hands in relation to some of the deaths of innocents..
Feel free to also trawl through my contributions in this forum where in the last 18 months I've consistently been critical of all sides since Oct 7 who have killed innocents too ..
Bs claims stating I'm defending anyone committing terrorism are puerile and unfounded and only serve to show that what I said about your lack of objectivity in fact blind hatred of Israel which is writ clear in these forums ..
Don't try to lecture anyone on the law FFS your in no place to even try to hide behind such things..
Your in no place to lecture me on double standards
I've also said nothing about your other statements othe than you accusing me (incorrectly I might add) about hating Israel m
I'll say it again - it's the double standards and support of a tyrant like netenyahu that's cost the lives of thousands including Israelis that I'm against.
You think what you like but don't you give me lectures on what I think based on your opnions.!
Listen you clearly did by saying I'm defending Israel's terrorism which is a lie ..
You've got previous with other posters in attacking them whenever anyone disagrees with your opinion which is so far from any objective viewpoint it's biased beyond common sense..
Enjoy your warped perspective but I'm done with you.."Well said, Mrs x | |||
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"Oh I fully understand this - Israel commits acts against int. Law in oppression of the Arabs and get away with it. Any other county would be sanctioned but not Israel. Hamas is created due to Israeli oppression and commit acts of atrocities and recognised as such. Israel has the right to retaliate, but does so by committing war crimes and are not only allowed to but are supplied with the means to commit these acts. Any other country would be sanctioned but not Israel. They get more material to commit acts of atrocities and starvation The houthis attack shipping in support and protest of the world not being consistent in international law. Western forces are put into harm's way in attacking the houthis and endangering an escalation in a conflict and endangering sailors in the Suez canal region. I would have thought an easier and with less lives lost and not risking q wide conflict would be if only the USA reigned in Israel in its oppression of the Arabs .. all this fighting could have been avoided - including 7 October - IF Israel was towed onto line (UN resolutions and international law) like all the other countries are expected to abide by " You truly hate Israel and the Jews, so biased, like lots of the other posters have stated, your reasoning lacks any substance, evidence or reasoning, just blind obedience to the betterment of terrorism in the area, Mrs x | |||
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"Oh I fully understand this - Israel commits acts against int. Law in oppression of the Arabs and get away with it. Any other county would be sanctioned but not Israel. Hamas is created due to Israeli oppression and commit acts of atrocities and recognised as such. Israel has the right to retaliate, but does so by committing war crimes and are not only allowed to but are supplied with the means to commit these acts. Any other country would be sanctioned but not Israel. They get more material to commit acts of atrocities and starvation The houthis attack shipping in support and protest of the world not being consistent in international law. Western forces are put into harm's way in attacking the houthis and endangering an escalation in a conflict and endangering sailors in the Suez canal region. I would have thought an easier and with less lives lost and not risking q wide conflict would be if only the USA reigned in Israel in its oppression of the Arabs .. all this fighting could have been avoided - including 7 October - IF Israel was towed onto line (UN resolutions and international law) like all the other countries are expected to abide by " Here speaks our Middle East Wiki/Google expert. You repeatedly ignore the intra Gaza factional civil war of 2007. Just a little reminder, there's not been. an election in Gaza since 2006. I wonder why? Ever you ever considered why not one of the neighbouring Arab states wants to open their borders to the Palestinians? | |||
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"Oh I fully understand this - Israel commits acts against int. Law in oppression of the Arabs and get away with it. Any other county would be sanctioned but not Israel. Hamas is created due to Israeli oppression and commit acts of atrocities and recognised as such. Israel has the right to retaliate, but does so by committing war crimes and are not only allowed to but are supplied with the means to commit these acts. Any other country would be sanctioned but not Israel. They get more material to commit acts of atrocities and starvation The houthis attack shipping in support and protest of the world not being consistent in international law. Western forces are put into harm's way in attacking the houthis and endangering an escalation in a conflict and endangering sailors in the Suez canal region. I would have thought an easier and with less lives lost and not risking q wide conflict would be if only the USA reigned in Israel in its oppression of the Arabs .. all this fighting could have been avoided - including 7 October - IF Israel was towed onto line (UN resolutions and international law) like all the other countries are expected to abide by Here speaks our Middle East Wiki/Google expert. You repeatedly ignore the intra Gaza factional civil war of 2007. Just a little reminder, there's not been. an election in Gaza since 2006. I wonder why? Ever you ever considered why not one of the neighbouring Arab states wants to open their borders to the Palestinians? " The reason there's not been an election is that Fatah begged the Israelis to lie for them so that the election could be cancelled because they knew they'd lose to Hamas Mrs x | |||
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"Oh I fully understand this - Israel commits acts against int. Law in oppression of the Arabs and get away with it. Any other county would be sanctioned but not Israel. Hamas is created due to Israeli oppression and commit acts of atrocities and recognised as such. Israel has the right to retaliate, but does so by committing war crimes and are not only allowed to but are supplied with the means to commit these acts. Any other country would be sanctioned but not Israel. They get more material to commit acts of atrocities and starvation The houthis attack shipping in support and protest of the world not being consistent in international law. Western forces are put into harm's way in attacking the houthis and endangering an escalation in a conflict and endangering sailors in the Suez canal region. I would have thought an easier and with less lives lost and not risking q wide conflict would be if only the USA reigned in Israel in its oppression of the Arabs .. all this fighting could have been avoided - including 7 October - IF Israel was towed onto line (UN resolutions and international law) like all the other countries are expected to abide by Here speaks our Middle East Wiki/Google expert. You repeatedly ignore the intra Gaza factional civil war of 2007. Just a little reminder, there's not been. an election in Gaza since 2006. I wonder why? Ever you ever considered why not one of the neighbouring Arab states wants to open their borders to the Palestinians? The reason there's not been an election is that Fatah begged the Israelis to lie for them so that the election could be cancelled because they knew they'd lose to Hamas Mrs x" And nothing to do with Hamas eliminating Fatah's leadership during the 2007 civil war. | |||
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"Oh I fully understand this - Israel commits acts against int. Law in oppression of the Arabs and get away with it. Any other county would be sanctioned but not Israel. Hamas is created due to Israeli oppression and commit acts of atrocities and recognised as such. Israel has the right to retaliate, but does so by committing war crimes and are not only allowed to but are supplied with the means to commit these acts. Any other country would be sanctioned but not Israel. They get more material to commit acts of atrocities and starvation The houthis attack shipping in support and protest of the world not being consistent in international law. Western forces are put into harm's way in attacking the houthis and endangering an escalation in a conflict and endangering sailors in the Suez canal region. I would have thought an easier and with less lives lost and not risking q wide conflict would be if only the USA reigned in Israel in its oppression of the Arabs .. all this fighting could have been avoided - including 7 October - IF Israel was towed onto line (UN resolutions and international law) like all the other countries are expected to abide by Here speaks our Middle East Wiki/Google expert. You repeatedly ignore the intra Gaza factional civil war of 2007. Just a little reminder, there's not been. an election in Gaza since 2006. I wonder why? Ever you ever considered why not one of the neighbouring Arab states wants to open their borders to the Palestinians? " Yep. Because Egypt signed a peace treaty with Israel and fear Hamas could attack from Egyptian territory. Also the fear of changing the demographics of the population in Egypt. Same thing with Jordan - they fear letting on hundreds of rhousand of Gazans into a fragile stable country that could mean the ruling elite get ousted. Have I got that right from . Have I wiki googled Itcorrectly? I didn't cut and paste everything there. Btwn- pardon me for asking but where do you get your information from? | |||
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"Oh I fully understand this - Israel commits acts against int. Law in oppression of the Arabs and get away with it. Any other county would be sanctioned but not Israel. Hamas is created due to Israeli oppression and commit acts of atrocities and recognised as such. Israel has the right to retaliate, but does so by committing war crimes and are not only allowed to but are supplied with the means to commit these acts. Any other country would be sanctioned but not Israel. They get more material to commit acts of atrocities and starvation The houthis attack shipping in support and protest of the world not being consistent in international law. Western forces are put into harm's way in attacking the houthis and endangering an escalation in a conflict and endangering sailors in the Suez canal region. I would have thought an easier and with less lives lost and not risking q wide conflict would be if only the USA reigned in Israel in its oppression of the Arabs .. all this fighting could have been avoided - including 7 October - IF Israel was towed onto line (UN resolutions and international law) like all the other countries are expected to abide by You truly hate Israel and the Jews, so biased, like lots of the other posters have stated, your reasoning lacks any substance, evidence or reasoning, just blind obedience to the betterment of terrorism in the area, Mrs x" Ah okay. right e ho 👍 
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"Oh I fully understand this - Israel commits acts against int. Law in oppression of the Arabs and get away with it. Any other county would be sanctioned but not Israel. Hamas is created due to Israeli oppression and commit acts of atrocities and recognised as such. Israel has the right to retaliate, but does so by committing war crimes and are not only allowed to but are supplied with the means to commit these acts. Any other country would be sanctioned but not Israel. They get more material to commit acts of atrocities and starvation The houthis attack shipping in support and protest of the world not being consistent in international law. Western forces are put into harm's way in attacking the houthis and endangering an escalation in a conflict and endangering sailors in the Suez canal region. I would have thought an easier and with less lives lost and not risking q wide conflict would be if only the USA reigned in Israel in its oppression of the Arabs .. all this fighting could have been avoided - including 7 October - IF Israel was towed onto line (UN resolutions and international law) like all the other countries are expected to abide by You truly hate Israel and the Jews, so biased, like lots of the other posters have stated, your reasoning lacks any substance, evidence or reasoning, just blind obedience to the betterment of terrorism in the area, Mrs x" Can you lend me some Israeli flags please? I've burnt all mine! | |||
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""God is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse be upon the Jews, Victory to Islam" - the slogan on the Houthi flag. ... Well They wouldn't have slogans like "Israel is marvelous" etc. so not suprising Just to make sure that people don't misunderstand them when they say "Death to Israel" and think "oh, these guys just don't like Zionists, or the state of Israel", they're kind enough to add (on their flag, of all places) "Curse be upon the Jews". To make extra sure that their anti-Semitism is proudly on record. analysts said that the houthis should not be seen as an Iranian proxy - They have its own base, its own interests – and own agendas. Which analysts, exactly? Real question." First seen it about a week ago from Al-Jazeera, so checked on pthers sites and some woman said that there's no evidence of inconclusive that Iran controls the houthis. Her name was Elizabeth Cumbria?? Can't remember but said she was a specialist. 'ertain it was a Western media outlet - not Al-Jazeera | |||
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""God is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse be upon the Jews, Victory to Islam" - the slogan on the Houthi flag. ... Well They wouldn't have slogans like "Israel is marvelous" etc. so not suprising Just to make sure that people don't misunderstand them when they say "Death to Israel" and think "oh, these guys just don't like Zionists, or the state of Israel", they're kind enough to add (on their flag, of all places) "Curse be upon the Jews". To make extra sure that their anti-Semitism is proudly on record. analysts said that the houthis should not be seen as an Iranian proxy - They have its own base, its own interests – and own agendas. Which analysts, exactly? Real question. First seen it about a week ago from Al-Jazeera, so checked on pthers sites and some woman said that there's no evidence of inconclusive that Iran controls the houthis. Her name was Elizabeth Cumbria?? Can't remember but said she was a specialist. 'ertain it was a Western media outlet - not Al-Jazeera " Elizabeth Kendall? | |||
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"Oh I fully understand this - Israel commits acts against int. Law in oppression of the Arabs and get away with it. Any other county would be sanctioned but not Israel. Hamas is created due to Israeli oppression and commit acts of atrocities and recognised as such. Israel has the right to retaliate, but does so by committing war crimes and are not only allowed to but are supplied with the means to commit these acts. Any other country would be sanctioned but not Israel. They get more material to commit acts of atrocities and starvation The houthis attack shipping in support and protest of the world not being consistent in international law. Western forces are put into harm's way in attacking the houthis and endangering an escalation in a conflict and endangering sailors in the Suez canal region. I would have thought an easier and with less lives lost and not risking q wide conflict would be if only the USA reigned in Israel in its oppression of the Arabs .. all this fighting could have been avoided - including 7 October - IF Israel was towed onto line (UN resolutions and international law) like all the other countries are expected to abide by Here speaks our Middle East Wiki/Google expert. You repeatedly ignore the intra Gaza factional civil war of 2007. Just a little reminder, there's not been. an election in Gaza since 2006. I wonder why? Ever you ever considered why not one of the neighbouring Arab states wants to open their borders to the Palestinians? The reason there's not been an election is that Fatah begged the Israelis to lie for them so that the election could be cancelled because they knew they'd lose to Hamas Mrs x And nothing to do with Hamas eliminating Fatah's leadership during the 2007 civil war." Hamas seizing power in 2007 has not much to do with there being no elections in the OPT. The latest elections scheduled for 2021 were postponed indefinitely by Abbas, and the reasons behind this have come to light and it was Fatah, who feared they would lose to Hamas, who asked for Israels help with coming up with a 'reason' they could cancel the elections. They needed Israrls help to avoid havong Hamas blame Fatah for this and Israel were happy to go along with Fatahs plan as tgey did not want Hamas to extend their power in the area. Thus Israel acted upon Fatahs request and used the premise that there would be some issues with the voting in East Jerusalem which have some sort of legitimacy to Fatah cancelling these elections as was their aim when approaching Israel to seek help coming up with a problem which would seem unsurmountable. As for Hamas eliminating Fatahs leadership in 2007, could you expand on that because the leade of Fatah in 2007 was Abbas, who happens to still be the leader of Fatah and was thus not 'eliminated' in 2007. Mrs x | |||
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" As for Hamas eliminating Fatahs leadership in 2007, could you expand on that because the leade of Fatah in 2007 was Abbas, who happens to still be the leader of Fatah and was thus not 'eliminated' in 2007. Mrs x Abbas was not and never has been the leader of Hamas. Israeli proxy he may be, but not leader of Hamas. I am going to Lebanon in May, why don't come with me? You might learn some harD truths. " Never said he was the leader of Hamas, he is the leader of Fatah. I'm going to the library tomorrow, why don't you come with me and you might learn to read. Mrs x | |||
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" As for Hamas eliminating Fatahs leadership in 2007, could you expand on that because the leade of Fatah in 2007 was Abbas, who happens to still be the leader of Fatah and was thus not 'eliminated' in 2007. Mrs x Abbas was not and never has been the leader of Hamas. Israeli proxy he may be, but not leader of Hamas. I am going to Lebanon in May, why don't come with me? You might learn some harD truths. Never said he was the leader of Hamas, he is the leader of Fatah. I'm going to the library tomorrow, why don't you come with me and you might learn to read. Mrs x" Are you always rude and unpleasant to others? Perhaps a book on manners would be a good start for you | |||
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" As for Hamas eliminating Fatahs leadership in 2007, could you expand on that because the leade of Fatah in 2007 was Abbas, who happens to still be the leader of Fatah and was thus not 'eliminated' in 2007. Mrs x Abbas was not and never has been the leader of Hamas. Israeli proxy he may be, but not leader of Hamas. I am going to Lebanon in May, why don't come with me? You might learn some harD truths. Never said he was the leader of Hamas, he is the leader of Fatah. I'm going to the library tomorrow, why don't you come with me and you might learn to read. Mrs x Are you always rude and unpleasant to others? Perhaps a book on manners would be a good start for you" I'm a mirror, reflecting whats put before me, Mrs x | |||
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" As for Hamas eliminating Fatahs leadership in 2007, could you expand on that because the leade of Fatah in 2007 was Abbas, who happens to still be the leader of Fatah and was thus not 'eliminated' in 2007. Mrs x Abbas was not and never has been the leader of Hamas. Israeli proxy he may be, but not leader of Hamas. I am going to Lebanon in May, why don't come with me? You might learn some harD truths. Never said he was the leader of Hamas, he is the leader of Fatah. I'm going to the library tomorrow, why don't you come with me and you might learn to read. Mrs x Are you always rude and unpleasant to others? Perhaps a book on manners would be a good start for youI'm a mirror, reflecting whats put before me, Mrs x"  oh really? Since when did I ever call you a liar when started them accusations?
Since when did I ever invent crap you never said to make false accusations when you started them accusations?
Since when did I start to make comments like: "hahaha" and posted other flippent rubbish?
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" As for Hamas eliminating Fatahs leadership in 2007, could you expand on that because the leade of Fatah in 2007 was Abbas, who happens to still be the leader of Fatah and was thus not 'eliminated' in 2007. Mrs x Abbas was not and never has been the leader of Hamas. Israeli proxy he may be, but not leader of Hamas. I am going to Lebanon in May, why don't come with me? You might learn some harD truths. Never said he was the leader of Hamas, he is the leader of Fatah. I'm going to the library tomorrow, why don't you come with me and you might learn to read. Mrs x Are you always rude and unpleasant to others? Perhaps a book on manners would be a good start for youI'm a mirror, reflecting whats put before me, Mrs x oh really? Since when did I ever call you a liar when started them accusations?
Since when did I ever invent crap you never said to make false accusations when you started them accusations?
Since when did I start to make comments like: "hahaha" and posted other flippent rubbish?
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" As for Hamas eliminating Fatahs leadership in 2007, could you expand on that because the leade of Fatah in 2007 was Abbas, who happens to still be the leader of Fatah and was thus not 'eliminated' in 2007. Mrs x Abbas was not and never has been the leader of Hamas. Israeli proxy he may be, but not leader of Hamas. I am going to Lebanon in May, why don't come with me? You might learn some harD truths. Never said he was the leader of Hamas, he is the leader of Fatah. I'm going to the library tomorrow, why don't you come with me and you might learn to read. Mrs x Are you always rude and unpleasant to others? Perhaps a book on manners would be a good start for youI'm a mirror, reflecting whats put before me, Mrs x oh really? Since when did I ever call you a liar when started them accusations?
Since when did I ever invent crap you never said to make false accusations when you started them accusations?
Since when did I start to make comments like: "hahaha" and posted other flippent rubbish?
My advice take a look in the mirror hahaha, Mrs x"No apologies then - just more drivel | |||
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" As for Hamas eliminating Fatahs leadership in 2007, could you expand on that because the leade of Fatah in 2007 was Abbas, who happens to still be the leader of Fatah and was thus not 'eliminated' in 2007. Mrs x Abbas was not and never has been the leader of Hamas. Israeli proxy he may be, but not leader of Hamas. I am going to Lebanon in May, why don't come with me? You might learn some harD truths. Never said he was the leader of Hamas, he is the leader of Fatah. I'm going to the library tomorrow, why don't you come with me and you might learn to read. Mrs x Are you always rude and unpleasant to others? Perhaps a book on manners would be a good start for youI'm a mirror, reflecting whats put before me, Mrs x oh really? Since when did I ever call you a liar when started them accusations?
Since when did I ever invent crap you never said to make false accusations when you started them accusations?
Since when did I start to make comments like: "hahaha" and posted other flippent rubbish?
My advice take a look in the mirror hahaha, Mrs x
No apologies then - just more drivel "Come on now. I know that most of what you post is incomprehensible but to say you talk drivel is maybe going to far. There's no need to apologise either, just get your chins up, push out your chest and carry on as normal, or in your case abnormal. Keep smiling Buttercup, Mrs x | |||
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" As for Hamas eliminating Fatahs leadership in 2007, could you expand on that because the leade of Fatah in 2007 was Abbas, who happens to still be the leader of Fatah and was thus not 'eliminated' in 2007. Mrs x Abbas was not and never has been the leader of Hamas. Israeli proxy he may be, but not leader of Hamas. I am going to Lebanon in May, why don't come with me? You might learn some harD truths. Never said he was the leader of Hamas, he is the leader of Fatah. I'm going to the library tomorrow, why don't you come with me and you might learn to read. Mrs x Are you always rude and unpleasant to others? Perhaps a book on manners would be a good start for youI'm a mirror, reflecting whats put before me, Mrs x oh really? Since when did I ever call you a liar when started them accusations?
Since when did I ever invent crap you never said to make false accusations when you started them accusations?
Since when did I start to make comments like: "hahaha" and posted other flippent rubbish?
My advice take a look in the mirror hahaha, Mrs x
No apologies then - just more drivel Come on now. I know that most of what you post is incomprehensible but to say you talk drivel is maybe going to far. There's no need to apologise either, just get your chins up, push out your chest and carry on as normal, or in your case abnormal. Keep smiling Buttercup,
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" As for Hamas eliminating Fatahs leadership in 2007, could you expand on that because the leade of Fatah in 2007 was Abbas, who happens to still be the leader of Fatah and was thus not 'eliminated' in 2007. Mrs x Abbas was not and never has been the leader of Hamas. Israeli proxy he may be, but not leader of Hamas. I am going to Lebanon in May, why don't come with me? You might learn some harD truths. Never said he was the leader of Hamas, he is the leader of Fatah. I'm going to the library tomorrow, why don't you come with me and you might learn to read. Mrs x Are you always rude and unpleasant to others? Perhaps a book on manners would be a good start for youI'm a mirror, reflecting whats put before me, Mrs x oh really? Since when did I ever call you a liar when started them accusations?
Since when did I ever invent crap you never said to make false accusations when you started them accusations?
Since when did I start to make comments like: "hahaha" and posted other flippent rubbish?
My advice take a look in the mirror hahaha, Mrs x
No apologies then - just more drivel Come on now. I know that most of what you post is incomprehensible but to say you talk drivel is maybe going to far. There's no need to apologise either, just get your chins up, push out your chest and carry on as normal, or in your case abnormal. Keep smiling Buttercup,
Mrs x
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" As for Hamas eliminating Fatahs leadership in 2007, could you expand on that because the leade of Fatah in 2007 was Abbas, who happens to still be the leader of Fatah and was thus not 'eliminated' in 2007. Mrs x Abbas was not and never has been the leader of Hamas. Israeli proxy he may be, but not leader of Hamas. I am going to Lebanon in May, why don't come with me? You might learn some harD truths. Never said he was the leader of Hamas, he is the leader of Fatah. I'm going to the library tomorrow, why don't you come with me and you might learn to read. Mrs x Are you always rude and unpleasant to others? Perhaps a book on manners would be a good start for youI'm a mirror, reflecting whats put before me, Mrs x oh really? Since when did I ever call you a liar when started them accusations?
Since when did I ever invent crap you never said to make false accusations when you started them accusations?
Since when did I start to make comments like: "hahaha" and posted other flippent rubbish?
My advice take a look in the mirror hahaha, Mrs x
No apologies then - just more drivel Come on now. I know that most of what you post is incomprehensible but to say you talk drivel is maybe going to far. There's no need to apologise either, just get your chins up, push out your chest and carry on as normal, or in your case abnormal. Keep smiling Buttercup,
Mrs x
And how about you calling me a liar?Yeah but that's only when you tell porkies pies, cmon be fair, Mrs x"Like? (And have I ever called you a liar?) | |||
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" As for Hamas eliminating Fatahs leadership in 2007, could you expand on that because the leade of Fatah in 2007 was Abbas, who happens to still be the leader of Fatah and was thus not 'eliminated' in 2007. Mrs x Abbas was not and never has been the leader of Hamas. Israeli proxy he may be, but not leader of Hamas. I am going to Lebanon in May, why don't come with me? You might learn some harD truths. Never said he was the leader of Hamas, he is the leader of Fatah. I'm going to the library tomorrow, why don't you come with me and you might learn to read. Mrs x Are you always rude and unpleasant to others? Perhaps a book on manners would be a good start for youI'm a mirror, reflecting whats put before me, Mrs x oh really? Since when did I ever call you a liar when started them accusations?
Since when did I ever invent crap you never said to make false accusations when you started them accusations?
Since when did I start to make comments like: "hahaha" and posted other flippent rubbish?
My advice take a look in the mirror hahaha, Mrs x
No apologies then - just more drivel Come on now. I know that most of what you post is incomprehensible but to say you talk drivel is maybe going to far. There's no need to apologise either, just get your chins up, push out your chest and carry on as normal, or in your case abnormal. Keep smiling Buttercup,
Mrs x
And how about you calling me a liar?Yeah but that's only when you tell porkies pies, cmon be fair, Mrs x
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" As for Hamas eliminating Fatahs leadership in 2007, could you expand on that because the leade of Fatah in 2007 was Abbas, who happens to still be the leader of Fatah and was thus not 'eliminated' in 2007. Mrs x Abbas was not and never has been the leader of Hamas. Israeli proxy he may be, but not leader of Hamas. I am going to Lebanon in May, why don't come with me? You might learn some harD truths. Never said he was the leader of Hamas, he is the leader of Fatah. I'm going to the library tomorrow, why don't you come with me and you might learn to read. Mrs x Are you always rude and unpleasant to others? Perhaps a book on manners would be a good start for youI'm a mirror, reflecting whats put before me, Mrs x oh really? Since when did I ever call you a liar when started them accusations?
Since when did I ever invent crap you never said to make false accusations when you started them accusations?
Since when did I start to make comments like: "hahaha" and posted other flippent rubbish?
My advice take a look in the mirror hahaha, Mrs x
No apologies then - just more drivel Come on now. I know that most of what you post is incomprehensible but to say you talk drivel is maybe going to far. There's no need to apologise either, just get your chins up, push out your chest and carry on as normal, or in your case abnormal. Keep smiling Buttercup,
Mrs x
And how about you calling me a liar?Yeah but that's only when you tell porkies pies, cmon be fair, Mrs x
Like? (And have I ever called you a liar?)That's because I don't make things up or tell fibs... duh, Mrs x"No? Well I suppose when you're faced with reality you pick some opinionated codswallop out of you mind and slap that down as a reply.! Your fertive imagination is not reality! So I'd thank you not to assume people as liars until you look into what people say | |||
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" As for Hamas eliminating Fatahs leadership in 2007, could you expand on that because the leade of Fatah in 2007 was Abbas, who happens to still be the leader of Fatah and was thus not 'eliminated' in 2007. Mrs x Abbas was not and never has been the leader of Hamas. Israeli proxy he may be, but not leader of Hamas. I am going to Lebanon in May, why don't come with me? You might learn some harD truths. Never said he was the leader of Hamas, he is the leader of Fatah. I'm going to the library tomorrow, why don't you come with me and you might learn to read. Mrs x Are you always rude and unpleasant to others? Perhaps a book on manners would be a good start for youI'm a mirror, reflecting whats put before me, Mrs x oh really? Since when did I ever call you a liar when started them accusations?
Since when did I ever invent crap you never said to make false accusations when you started them accusations?
Since when did I start to make comments like: "hahaha" and posted other flippent rubbish?
My advice take a look in the mirror hahaha, Mrs x
No apologies then - just more drivel Come on now. I know that most of what you post is incomprehensible but to say you talk drivel is maybe going to far. There's no need to apologise either, just get your chins up, push out your chest and carry on as normal, or in your case abnormal. Keep smiling Buttercup,
Mrs x
And how about you calling me a liar?Yeah but that's only when you tell porkies pies, cmon be fair, Mrs x
Like? (And have I ever called you a liar?)That's because I don't make things up or tell fibs... duh, Mrs x"Is it my fault that you and other poster who got ther knickers in a twist are islamophobic to the point of blindly following netenyahu and ignoring international law? Incidentally - and I feel your reply is going to be bollocks but I'll try anyway, What do you is the root cause of all the conflict in the middle east? Iran? The Iran we have now thanks to malevolent meddling in the 70s by Western powers greedy for oil? That Iran?! | |||
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" As for Hamas eliminating Fatahs leadership in 2007, could you expand on that because the leade of Fatah in 2007 was Abbas, who happens to still be the leader of Fatah and was thus not 'eliminated' in 2007. Mrs x Abbas was not and never has been the leader of Hamas. Israeli proxy he may be, but not leader of Hamas. I am going to Lebanon in May, why don't come with me? You might learn some harD truths. Never said he was the leader of Hamas, he is the leader of Fatah. I'm going to the library tomorrow, why don't you come with me and you might learn to read. Mrs x Are you always rude and unpleasant to others? Perhaps a book on manners would be a good start for youI'm a mirror, reflecting whats put before me, Mrs x oh really? Since when did I ever call you a liar when started them accusations?
Since when did I ever invent crap you never said to make false accusations when you started them accusations?
Since when did I start to make comments like: "hahaha" and posted other flippent rubbish?
My advice take a look in the mirror hahaha, Mrs x
No apologies then - just more drivel Come on now. I know that most of what you post is incomprehensible but to say you talk drivel is maybe going to far. There's no need to apologise either, just get your chins up, push out your chest and carry on as normal, or in your case abnormal. Keep smiling Buttercup,
Mrs x
And how about you calling me a liar?Yeah but that's only when you tell porkies pies, cmon be fair, Mrs x
Like? (And have I ever called you a liar?)That's because I don't make things up or tell fibs... duh, Mrs x
Is it my fault that you and other poster who got ther knickers in a twist are islamophobic to the point of blindly following netenyahu and ignoring international law?
Incidentally - and I feel your reply is going to be bollocks but I'll try anyway,
What do you is the root cause of all the conflict in the middle east?
Iran? The Iran we have now thanks to malevolent meddling in the 70s by Western powers greedy for oil? That Iran?!
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" As for Hamas eliminating Fatahs leadership in 2007, could you expand on that because the leade of Fatah in 2007 was Abbas, who happens to still be the leader of Fatah and was thus not 'eliminated' in 2007. Mrs x Abbas was not and never has been the leader of Hamas. Israeli proxy he may be, but not leader of Hamas. I am going to Lebanon in May, why don't come with me? You might learn some harD truths. Never said he was the leader of Hamas, he is the leader of Fatah. I'm going to the library tomorrow, why don't you come with me and you might learn to read. Mrs x Are you always rude and unpleasant to others? Perhaps a book on manners would be a good start for youI'm a mirror, reflecting whats put before me, Mrs x oh really? Since when did I ever call you a liar when started them accusations?
Since when did I ever invent crap you never said to make false accusations when you started them accusations?
Since when did I start to make comments like: "hahaha" and posted other flippent rubbish?
My advice take a look in the mirror hahaha, Mrs x
No apologies then - just more drivel Come on now. I know that most of what you post is incomprehensible but to say you talk drivel is maybe going to far. There's no need to apologise either, just get your chins up, push out your chest and carry on as normal, or in your case abnormal. Keep smiling Buttercup,
Mrs x
And how about you calling me a liar?Yeah but that's only when you tell porkies pies, cmon be fair, Mrs x
Like? (And have I ever called you a liar?)That's because I don't make things up or tell fibs... duh, Mrs x
Is it my fault that you and other poster who got ther knickers in a twist are islamophobic to the point of blindly following netenyahu and ignoring international law?
Incidentally - and I feel your reply is going to be bollocks but I'll try anyway,
What do you is the root cause of all the conflict in the middle east?
Iran? The Iran we have now thanks to malevolent meddling in the 70s by Western powers greedy for oil? That Iran?!
Corruption of a religious text to allow for justification of evil acts done to others,
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" As for Hamas eliminating Fatahs leadership in 2007, could you expand on that because the leade of Fatah in 2007 was Abbas, who happens to still be the leader of Fatah and was thus not 'eliminated' in 2007. Mrs x Abbas was not and never has been the leader of Hamas. Israeli proxy he may be, but not leader of Hamas. I am going to Lebanon in May, why don't come with me? You might learn some harD truths. Never said he was the leader of Hamas, he is the leader of Fatah. I'm going to the library tomorrow, why don't you come with me and you might learn to read. Mrs x Are you always rude and unpleasant to others? Perhaps a book on manners would be a good start for youI'm a mirror, reflecting whats put before me, Mrs x oh really? Since when did I ever call you a liar when started them accusations?
Since when did I ever invent crap you never said to make false accusations when you started them accusations?
Since when did I start to make comments like: "hahaha" and posted other flippent rubbish?
My advice take a look in the mirror hahaha, Mrs x
No apologies then - just more drivel Come on now. I know that most of what you post is incomprehensible but to say you talk drivel is maybe going to far. There's no need to apologise either, just get your chins up, push out your chest and carry on as normal, or in your case abnormal. Keep smiling Buttercup,
Mrs x
And how about you calling me a liar?Yeah but that's only when you tell porkies pies, cmon be fair, Mrs x
Like? (And have I ever called you a liar?)That's because I don't make things up or tell fibs... duh, Mrs x
Is it my fault that you and other poster who got ther knickers in a twist are islamophobic to the point of blindly following netenyahu and ignoring international law?
Incidentally - and I feel your reply is going to be bollocks but I'll try anyway,
What do you is the root cause of all the conflict in the middle east?
Iran? The Iran we have now thanks to malevolent meddling in the 70s by Western powers greedy for oil? That Iran?!
Corruption of a religious text to allow for justification of evil acts done to others,
Mrs x"Smiting of the amalekites is not an act of hatred then! | |||
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" As for Hamas eliminating Fatahs leadership in 2007, could you expand on that because the leade of Fatah in 2007 was Abbas, who happens to still be the leader of Fatah and was thus not 'eliminated' in 2007. Mrs x Abbas was not and never has been the leader of Hamas. Israeli proxy he may be, but not leader of Hamas. I am going to Lebanon in May, why don't come with me? You might learn some harD truths. Never said he was the leader of Hamas, he is the leader of Fatah. I'm going to the library tomorrow, why don't you come with me and you might learn to read. Mrs x Are you always rude and unpleasant to others? Perhaps a book on manners would be a good start for youI'm a mirror, reflecting whats put before me, Mrs x oh really? Since when did I ever call you a liar when started them accusations?
Since when did I ever invent crap you never said to make false accusations when you started them accusations?
Since when did I start to make comments like: "hahaha" and posted other flippent rubbish?
My advice take a look in the mirror hahaha, Mrs x
No apologies then - just more drivel Come on now. I know that most of what you post is incomprehensible but to say you talk drivel is maybe going to far. There's no need to apologise either, just get your chins up, push out your chest and carry on as normal, or in your case abnormal. Keep smiling Buttercup,
Mrs x
And how about you calling me a liar?Yeah but that's only when you tell porkies pies, cmon be fair, Mrs x
Like? (And have I ever called you a liar?)That's because I don't make things up or tell fibs... duh, Mrs x
Is it my fault that you and other poster who got ther knickers in a twist are islamophobic to the point of blindly following netenyahu and ignoring international law?
Incidentally - and I feel your reply is going to be bollocks but I'll try anyway,
What do you is the root cause of all the conflict in the middle east?
Iran? The Iran we have now thanks to malevolent meddling in the 70s by Western powers greedy for oil? That Iran?!
Corruption of a religious text to allow for justification of evil acts done to others,
Mrs x
So your islamaphobic then"Nope just vehemently anti terrorist, you'd know that if you read and remember what I've previously written, Mrs x | |||
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" As for Hamas eliminating Fatahs leadership in 2007, could you expand on that because the leade of Fatah in 2007 was Abbas, who happens to still be the leader of Fatah and was thus not 'eliminated' in 2007. Mrs x Abbas was not and never has been the leader of Hamas. Israeli proxy he may be, but not leader of Hamas. I am going to Lebanon in May, why don't come with me? You might learn some harD truths. Never said he was the leader of Hamas, he is the leader of Fatah. I'm going to the library tomorrow, why don't you come with me and you might learn to read. Mrs x Are you always rude and unpleasant to others? Perhaps a book on manners would be a good start for youI'm a mirror, reflecting whats put before me, Mrs x oh really? Since when did I ever call you a liar when started them accusations?
Since when did I ever invent crap you never said to make false accusations when you started them accusations?
Since when did I start to make comments like: "hahaha" and posted other flippent rubbish?
My advice take a look in the mirror hahaha, Mrs x
No apologies then - just more drivel Come on now. I know that most of what you post is incomprehensible but to say you talk drivel is maybe going to far. There's no need to apologise either, just get your chins up, push out your chest and carry on as normal, or in your case abnormal. Keep smiling Buttercup,
Mrs x
And how about you calling me a liar?Yeah but that's only when you tell porkies pies, cmon be fair, Mrs x
Like? (And have I ever called you a liar?)That's because I don't make things up or tell fibs... duh, Mrs x
Is it my fault that you and other poster who got ther knickers in a twist are islamophobic to the point of blindly following netenyahu and ignoring international law?
Incidentally - and I feel your reply is going to be bollocks but I'll try anyway,
What do you is the root cause of all the conflict in the middle east?
Iran? The Iran we have now thanks to malevolent meddling in the 70s by Western powers greedy for oil? That Iran?!
Corruption of a religious text to allow for justification of evil acts done to others,
Mrs x
So your islamaphobic thenNope just vehemently anti terrorist, you'd know that if you read and remember what I've previously written,
Mrs x"Oh right then I'm not anti-Semitic then! Just anti extremist like you are FFS! Do what you arguing about? The IDF have committed acts of terrorism too though which is what I've said all along!! As have the houthis, Hamas hesbolah. And also despite not in the picture here - isis too, and the revolutionary guard! They all have one thing in common which I can tell you if you have the ability to shut your trap for a few seconds and let me get edge in sideways ffs. 
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" As for Hamas eliminating Fatahs leadership in 2007, could you expand on that because the leade of Fatah in 2007 was Abbas, who happens to still be the leader of Fatah and was thus not 'eliminated' in 2007. Mrs x Abbas was not and never has been the leader of Hamas. Israeli proxy he may be, but not leader of Hamas. I am going to Lebanon in May, why don't come with me? You might learn some harD truths. Never said he was the leader of Hamas, he is the leader of Fatah. I'm going to the library tomorrow, why don't you come with me and you might learn to read. Mrs x Are you always rude and unpleasant to others? Perhaps a book on manners would be a good start for youI'm a mirror, reflecting whats put before me, Mrs x oh really? Since when did I ever call you a liar when started them accusations?
Since when did I ever invent crap you never said to make false accusations when you started them accusations?
Since when did I start to make comments like: "hahaha" and posted other flippent rubbish?
My advice take a look in the mirror hahaha, Mrs x
No apologies then - just more drivel Come on now. I know that most of what you post is incomprehensible but to say you talk drivel is maybe going to far. There's no need to apologise either, just get your chins up, push out your chest and carry on as normal, or in your case abnormal. Keep smiling Buttercup,
Mrs x
And how about you calling me a liar?Yeah but that's only when you tell porkies pies, cmon be fair, Mrs x
Like? (And have I ever called you a liar?)That's because I don't make things up or tell fibs... duh, Mrs x
Is it my fault that you and other poster who got ther knickers in a twist are islamophobic to the point of blindly following netenyahu and ignoring international law?
Incidentally - and I feel your reply is going to be bollocks but I'll try anyway,
What do you is the root cause of all the conflict in the middle east?
Iran? The Iran we have now thanks to malevolent meddling in the 70s by Western powers greedy for oil? That Iran?!
Corruption of a religious text to allow for justification of evil acts done to others,
Mrs x
So your islamaphobic thenNope just vehemently anti terrorist, you'd know that if you read and remember what I've previously written,
Mrs x
Oh right then I'm not anti-Semitic then! Just anti extremist like you are FFS! Do what you arguing about?
The IDF have committed acts of terrorism too though which is what I've said all along!!
As have the houthis, Hamas hesbolah. And also despite not in the picture here - isis too, and the revolutionary guard!
They all have one thing in common which I can tell you if you have the ability to shut your trap for a few seconds and let me get edge in sideways ffs.
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"What is the root cause of all the conflict in the middle east?" Intolerance born of fanatical, religious extremism. Obviously. Anyone who has looked into the history of the region for more than 5 minutes knows this. I’d be interested to hear your answer to this question. "The IDF have committed acts of terrorism" Who told you this? | |||
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"What is the root cause of all the conflict in the middle east? Intolerance born of fanatical, religious extremism. Obviously. Anyone who has looked into the history of the region for more than 5 minutes knows this. I’d be interested to hear your answer to this question. The IDF have committed acts of terrorism Who told you this?" You're only going to upset him haha, Mrs x | |||
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"What is the root cause of all the conflict in the middle east? Intolerance born of fanatical, religious extremism. Obviously. Anyone who has looked into the history of the region for more than 5 minutes knows this. I’d be interested to hear your answer to this question. The IDF have committed acts of terrorism Who told you this?" Seriously? If looking objectively at the activities undertaken by the IDF, the reports from NGOs, international law, Historical acts from Israel going back decades, the ICC - Reports and conclusions from scholars in international law etc.. | |||
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"What is the root cause of all the conflict in the middle east? Intolerance born of fanatical, religious extremism. Obviously. Anyone who has looked into the history of the region for more than 5 minutes knows this. I’d be interested to hear your answer to this question. The IDF have committed acts of terrorism Who told you this?You're only going to upset him haha, Mrs x" Ooo yes I'm feckin furious !! I'm chewing the neck on my t shirt here | |||
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"What is the root cause of all the conflict in the middle east? Intolerance born of fanatical, religious extremism. Obviously. Anyone who has looked into the history of the region for more than 5 minutes knows this. I’d be interested to hear your answer to this question. The IDF have committed acts of terrorism Who told you this? Seriously? If looking objectively at the activities undertaken by the IDF, the reports from NGOs, international law, Historical acts from Israel going back decades, the ICC - Reports and conclusions from scholars in international law etc.. " The IDF are an army of a state. They don't all have the same ideological stance. Hamas is a group made up of terrorists committed to a religious ideology of wiping Jews from the face of the Earth. Very different entities, with only one recognised as a terrorist group. Mrs x | |||
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"What is the root cause of all the conflict in the middle east? Intolerance born of fanatical, religious extremism. Obviously. Anyone who has looked into the history of the region for more than 5 minutes knows this. I’d be interested to hear your answer to this question. The IDF have committed acts of terrorism Who told you this? Seriously? If looking objectively at the activities undertaken by the IDF, the reports from NGOs, international law, Historical acts from Israel going back decades, the ICC - Reports and conclusions from scholars in international law etc.. The IDF are an army of a state. They don't all have the same ideological stance. Hamas is a group made up of terrorists committed to a religious ideology of wiping Jews from the face of the Earth. Very different entities, with only one recognised as a terrorist group. Mrs x" That must be why I said "acts of terrorism" An army of A state can commit "acts of terrorism "- including their leadership. They've commited acts of terrorism in the past including excessive bombings in Gaza in the past and also currently | |||
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"Seriously?" Yes, seriously. "If looking objectively at the activities undertaken by the IDF, the reports from NGOs, international law, Historical acts from Israel going back decades, the ICC - Reports and conclusions from scholars in international law etc.." Such as? "They've commited acts of terrorism in the past" Such as…? "including excessive bombings in Gaza in the past and also currently" Again: who told you this? According to whom are the bombings “excessive”? And by what measurement/ compared to what other bombings (that are presumably not “excessive”)? | |||
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"There's also the term "state sponsored terrorism" One example being an Israeli defence minister resigning after "Israeli state-sponsored terrorism ' a botched bomb plot " That applies to states such as Iran and Libya, who fund terrorist groups. The IDF is an army, they are not terrorists. Mrs x | |||
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"There's also the term "state sponsored terrorism" One example being an Israeli defence minister resigning after "Israeli state-sponsored terrorism ' a botched bomb plot That applies to states such as Iran and Libya, who fund terrorist groups. The IDF is an army, they are not terrorists. Mrs x" Israel supports terrorist groups too Israeli state-sponsored terrorism examples : a botched bomb plot in Egypt that led to the resignation of the Israeli defense minister Israel was also a major supplier of arms to dictatorial regimes in South America Africa, and Asia so I wouldn't be surprised if they supply Jewish extremists too - As for the IDF not a terrorist group as you say but do commit a large amount of "standard" terrorist activity from those on the ground to the leadership who give illegal orders to commit acts of terrorism including netenyahu | |||
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" Israeli state-sponsored terrorism examples : a botched bomb plot in Egypt that led to the resignation of the Israeli defense minister " If you are going to go back to the mid-twentieth century, you will find many, many examples similar to this, including by European countries and the USA. There is a difference between an incident (or incidents) and an ideology/core principle. For one, terrorists don't resign when caught. " Israel was also a major supplier of arms to dictatorial regimes in South America... " Ah. A cut and paste quote from the hatchet job Wikipedia page that tries to link Israel to terrorism. " As for the IDF not a terrorist group as you say but do commit a large amount of "standard" terrorist activity from those on the ground to the leadership who give illegal orders to commit acts of terrorism including netenyahu " The IDF exists because if it didn't, every Jew in the Middle East would be dead or ensl@ved. Now ask yourself what Gaza would look like without Hamas. It is an army made up of citizens, including Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze and others. It operates like most armies, on logistics, border control, etc. It also performs operations in hostile territory, generally within wartime rules of engagement. It will also break those, on occasion, as do many armies, sometimes with disciplinary actions taken out resignations. Most decisions to overstep these are taken for rational and coherent reasons - sometimes unreasonably, but sometimes reasonably. If you want to know what the IDF would look like were it truly a terrorist entity, then image that Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS or the Houthis would do if they had Israel's arsenal and military capability. The very fact that Gaza's population has grown over the past 18 months is testament to the fact that they are not, in fact, a terrorist organisation. It is not perfect, but it is not fundamentally evil. | |||
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"terrorism /ter′{¬yZk=¬}-riz″{¬yZk=¬}m/ noun The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals. Netenyahu is collectively punishing everyone in Palestine the vast majority being civilians - in the persuit of political goals - including keeping him in offic by avoiding elections. Btw that botched terrorist bombing in Egypt was by a either a terrorist group or mossad - but the minister was caught out with that and resigned. " Damn right. It's definitely ridiculous seeing in these forums how deluded people are in thinking terrorism is something only brown people that are against western control of their regions can do. History is filled with the terrorist attacks and groups funded by the Western powers (predominantly the USA but also UK and France) that were created to destabilise independent societies across the world to increase their own strategic control and financial gain from these regions at the cost of the people living there and the instability that would arise due to it. | |||
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" Israeli state-sponsored terrorism examples : a botched bomb plot in Egypt that led to the resignation of the Israeli defense minister If you are going to go back to the mid-twentieth century, you will find many, many examples similar to this, including by European countries and the USA. There is a difference between an incident (or incidents) and an ideology/core principle. For one, terrorists don't resign when caught. Israel was also a major supplier of arms to dictatorial regimes in South America... Ah. A cut and paste quote from the hatchet job Wikipedia page that tries to link Israel to terrorism. As for the IDF not a terrorist group as you say but do commit a large amount of "standard" terrorist activity from those on the ground to the leadership who give illegal orders to commit acts of terrorism including netenyahu The IDF exists because if it didn't, every Jew in the Middle East would be dead or ensl@ved. Now ask yourself what Gaza would look like without Hamas. It is an army made up of citizens, including Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze and others. It operates like most armies, on logistics, border control, etc. It also performs operations in hostile territory, generally within wartime rules of engagement. It will also break those, on occasion, as do many armies, sometimes with disciplinary actions taken out resignations. Most decisions to overstep these are taken for rational and coherent reasons - sometimes unreasonably, but sometimes reasonably. If you want to know what the IDF would look like were it truly a terrorist entity, then image that Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS or the Houthis would do if they had Israel's arsenal and military capability. The very fact that Gaza's population has grown over the past 18 months is testament to the fact that they are not, in fact, a terrorist organisation. It is not perfect, but it is not fundamentally evil." That "population growth" you are suggesting is nonsense. It is based on population growth projections made before October 7th before the whole onslaught began. I am definitely not a fan of radical islam and deeply hate the ideology, but to assert that anyone that fights back and resists a very hostile occupation that has been killing and brutally treating the population of the area for decades is simply doing it for that reason is naive to the extreme. Even before October 7th 2023, it had been a brutal year for Palestinians in Gaza with hundreds killed before that day, saying nothing about the continued expansion and creation of illegal settlements in the west bank throwing people off their lands because the ultra Zionist ideology that has captured much of the Israeli population and political sphere sees it and much of Lebanon simply as their birthright. You don't treat a population like that and just expect them to roll over and accept it. I don't support violence against civilians and simply normal people living their lives, but I can understand the circumstances that let these things happen. | |||
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" Israeli state-sponsored terrorism examples : a botched bomb plot in Egypt that led to the resignation of the Israeli defense minister If you are going to go back to the mid-twentieth century, you will find many, many examples similar to this, including by European countries and the USA. There is a difference between an incident (or incidents) and an ideology/core principle. For one, terrorists don't resign when caught. Israel was also a major supplier of arms to dictatorial regimes in South America... Ah. A cut and paste quote from the hatchet job Wikipedia page that tries to link Israel to terrorism. As for the IDF not a terrorist group as you say but do commit a large amount of "standard" terrorist activity from those on the ground to the leadership who give illegal orders to commit acts of terrorism including netenyahu The IDF exists because if it didn't, every Jew in the Middle East would be dead or ensl@ved. Now ask yourself what Gaza would look like without Hamas. It is an army made up of citizens, including Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze and others. It operates like most armies, on logistics, border control, etc. It also performs operations in hostile territory, generally within wartime rules of engagement. It will also break those, on occasion, as do many armies, sometimes with disciplinary actions taken out resignations. Most decisions to overstep these are taken for rational and coherent reasons - sometimes unreasonably, but sometimes reasonably. If you want to know what the IDF would look like were it truly a terrorist entity, then image that Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS or the Houthis would do if they had Israel's arsenal and military capability. The very fact that Gaza's population has grown over the past 18 months is testament to the fact that they are not, in fact, a terrorist organisation. It is not perfect, but it is not fundamentally evil. That "population growth" you are suggesting is nonsense. It is based on population growth projections made before October 7th before the whole onslaught began. I am definitely not a fan of radical islam and deeply hate the ideology, but to assert that anyone that fights back and resists a very hostile occupation that has been killing and brutally treating the population of the area for decades is simply doing it for that reason is naive to the extreme. Even before October 7th 2023, it had been a brutal year for Palestinians in Gaza with hundreds killed before that day, saying nothing about the continued expansion and creation of illegal settlements in the west bank throwing people off their lands because the ultra Zionist ideology that has captured much of the Israeli population and political sphere sees it and much of Lebanon simply as their birthright. You don't treat a population like that and just expect them to roll over and accept it. I don't support violence against civilians and simply normal people living their lives, but I can understand the circumstances that let these things happen." I also used to be part of a telegram group called "dead_terrorists" before it turned private due to how it was getting a bit of international attention. It was created for IDF and Zionist folk to laugh and share pictures and videos of utter barbarity. In it were shared very explicit pictures and videos of the carnage caused, and vile jokes made about the pictures and videos of the corpses (often in many pieces) of men, women and children, or gloating how they finally had permission to eradicate the "subhuman scum". Even jokes in hebrew made about the aid workers from World Central Kitchen like how the Australian woman would not be able to jump around with the kangaroos anymore or how the polish worker got what he deserved for being a nazi. There were thousands of members. I'm not suggesting all Israelis are like this as there's many that are trying to change Israel from inside, but a non insignificant portion of the population see anyone other than Jewish people as lesser beings. God's chosen people after all. | |||
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" Israeli state-sponsored terrorism examples : a botched bomb plot in Egypt that led to the resignation of the Israeli defense minister If you are going to go back to the mid-twentieth century, you will find many, many examples similar to this, including by European countries and the USA. There is a difference between an incident (or incidents) and an ideology/core principle. For one, terrorists don't resign when caught. Israel was also a major supplier of arms to dictatorial regimes in South America... Ah. A cut and paste quote from the hatchet job Wikipedia page that tries to link Israel to terrorism. As for the IDF not a terrorist group as you say but do commit a large amount of "standard" terrorist activity from those on the ground to the leadership who give illegal orders to commit acts of terrorism including netenyahu The IDF exists because if it didn't, every Jew in the Middle East would be dead or ensl@ved. Now ask yourself what Gaza would look like without Hamas. It is an army made up of citizens, including Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze and others. It operates like most armies, on logistics, border control, etc. It also performs operations in hostile territory, generally within wartime rules of engagement. It will also break those, on occasion, as do many armies, sometimes with disciplinary actions taken out resignations. Most decisions to overstep these are taken for rational and coherent reasons - sometimes unreasonably, but sometimes reasonably. If you want to know what the IDF would look like were it truly a terrorist entity, then image that Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS or the Houthis would do if they had Israel's arsenal and military capability. The very fact that Gaza's population has grown over the past 18 months is testament to the fact that they are not, in fact, a terrorist organisation. It is not perfect, but it is not fundamentally evil. That "population growth" you are suggesting is nonsense. It is based on population growth projections made before October 7th before the whole onslaught began. I am definitely not a fan of radical islam and deeply hate the ideology, but to assert that anyone that fights back and resists a very hostile occupation that has been killing and brutally treating the population of the area for decades is simply doing it for that reason is naive to the extreme. Even before October 7th 2023, it had been a brutal year for Palestinians in Gaza with hundreds killed before that day, saying nothing about the continued expansion and creation of illegal settlements in the west bank throwing people off their lands because the ultra Zionist ideology that has captured much of the Israeli population and political sphere sees it and much of Lebanon simply as their birthright. You don't treat a population like that and just expect them to roll over and accept it. I don't support violence against civilians and simply normal people living their lives, but I can understand the circumstances that let these things happen. I also used to be part of a telegram group called "dead_terrorists" before it turned private due to how it was getting a bit of international attention. It was created for IDF and Zionist folk to laugh and share pictures and videos of utter barbarity. In it were shared very explicit pictures and videos of the carnage caused, and vile jokes made about the pictures and videos of the corpses (often in many pieces) of men, women and children, or gloating how they finally had permission to eradicate the "subhuman scum". Even jokes in hebrew made about the aid workers from World Central Kitchen like how the Australian woman would not be able to jump around with the kangaroos anymore or how the polish worker got what he deserved for being a nazi. There were thousands of members. I'm not suggesting all Israelis are like this as there's many that are trying to change Israel from inside, but a non insignificant portion of the population see anyone other than Jewish people as lesser beings. God's chosen people after all. " This is very probable. We are probably on the same groups on telegram, including Hamas (Sunni), Hezbollah (Shi'ite), Christian Arab, Jewish Israeli. There are reprehensible comments on all of these forums. Nobody, Jewish, Muslim, Arab, European, should get a free pass because of who they are. There are evil people and evil incidents in all armies, including Israel's. However, equating the IDF as a whole with a terrorist organisation is wrong. Moreover, Hamas is not an organisation trying to better the lives of Palestinians. It is a Jihadist movement looking to unseat Jews from the Middle East, as part of their doctrine of Islamic supremacy (aligned with ISIS/HTS), based upon political Islam as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. They are not a resistance movement. What the Palestinians are subjected to is wrong and horrific, but Hamas is not a response to their crisis - they exacerbate it. If you are on their Telegram channels too, you will also see this. | |||
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" That "population growth" you are suggesting is nonsense. It is based on population growth projections made before October 7th before the whole onslaught began. " This is interesting. A CNN article quoting the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics suggests a decline, whereas most other news sources previously cited a moderate growth. Will look into this. Nevertheless, the point remains true about the distinction between the actual extent of casualties and the potential should the IDF have had a similar ideology to any of those aforementioned terrorist groups. | |||
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" That "population growth" you are suggesting is nonsense. It is based on population growth projections made before October 7th before the whole onslaught began. This is interesting. A CNN article quoting the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics suggests a decline, whereas most other news sources previously cited a moderate growth. Will look into this. Nevertheless, the point remains true about the distinction between the actual extent of casualties and the potential should the IDF have had a similar ideology to any of those aforementioned terrorist groups." @Tresesse_Meliorem: "This is just a cut n paste job in a feeble attempt " You see how pointless making comments like this are? I will have a look at this objectively. | |||
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" @Tresesse_Meliorem: "This is just a cut n paste job in a feeble attempt " You see how pointless making comments like this are? " You do realise you've just made up a statement, put it into quotes as if it were addressed to you, and then responded to it? | |||
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""amAh. A cut and paste quote from the hatchet job Wikipedia page that tries to link Israel to terrorism." So it's a cut n past job - so what? " Nothing wrong with cut and paste. It gives accurate quotes. It's a good thing, in general. It's the source that is the issue. Its primary focus is on decades-old events where most of the involved people have long since passed away. | |||
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"Israel supports terrorist groups too" Who do they support? Which groups? "Israel was also a major supplier of arms to dictatorial regimes in South America Africa, and Asia so I wouldn't be surprised if they supply Jewish extremists too" Who exactly do they supply? Which factions/ conflicts? "As for the IDF not a terrorist group as you say but do commit a large amount of "standard" terrorist activity" 1) Such as? What activity? Be more precise. 2) If true, how are they NOT a terrorist group, exactly? This is a direct contradiction. "illegal orders to commit acts of terrorism" What orders? What acts? Be precise. "Netenyahu is collectively punishing everyone in Palestine the vast majority being civilians - in the persuit of political goals -" Right. If you live in or next to a country and hate the inhabitants, vote in and support terrorist organisations, who in turn intentionally and indiscriminately target civilians (including woman and children)... shock/horror, you're going to provoke a military response. Crazy, huh? Ask yourself; who do the majority of these "Palestinians" (aka Israeli Arabs) support? Who did they vote in to govern them? What are their goals, hopes, wishes for the land they live in? Do they even WANT peace? Or do they want mass bloodshed and war? "Thee only real way forward is as mentioned numerous times is a reset on the region. And that means not being one-sided" And how, precisely, would one achieve a "reset" in the region 1) without civilian casualties and 2) while the racial hatred and want for bloodshed is so heavily one-sided? How do we achieve peace when only one side is willing to even contemplate peacefully co-existing in the first place? | |||
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"It's definitely ridiculous seeing in these forums how deluded people are in thinking terrorism is something only brown people that are against western control of their regions can do." The only thing here that's "definitely ridiculous" is just how plain ignorant and fundamentally racist this comment truly is. Let me tell you a little secret: Jews are, as you say, "brown people" too! *gasp* I know, right?! Also, there are white extremists right here in the UK. And brown. And black. Just like all over the world. You know, it's almost - ALMOST - as if skin colour has nothing to fucking do with being a terrorist or not. Jesus fucking Christ. "That "population growth" you are suggesting is nonsense." Not only is it not nonsense, it's only a drop in the bucket compared to the bigger picture. In 1948 when Israel was (re)founded, the estimated population of "Palestinians" was ~700-800K... in 2023 estimates are ~5-6 million. Wow, what a "ethnic cleasing" / "genocide" that is...
"...but to assert that anyone that fights back and resists a very hostile occupation that has been killing and brutally treating the population of the area for decades..." You mean like what Israel has been doing against terrorists and neighboring Arab states? Only change 'decades' to 'centuries' instead. "throwing people off their lands because the ultra Zionist ideology that has captured much of the Israeli population" What does "ultra Zionist ideology" mean? Also, what has the extremist islamist ideology been doing to the Jews and the Israelis for centuries up until this point? "You don't treat a population like that and just expect them to roll over and accept it. I don't support violence against civilians and simply normal people living their lives" Which is exactly why anyone would ever support Hamas over Israel in the wake of October 7th is fucking mind-boggling beyond belief. "a non insignificant portion of the population see anyone other than Jewish people as lesser beings. God's chosen people after all." And yet it's not their core beliefs, not their government or policies. The Jews of Israel want to live in peace and allow Judaism, Christianity and Islam to access the Holy Land, freedom of religious practice, and prayer. They have Muslim Arabs in offices, seats on councils, and in government positions. Now compare that to the extremist islamist movement throughout the Middle-East. They don't want to share the land. They're not interested in peace, or harmony. Their core beliefs and ultimate political goals are the death of all Jews, the fall of the West, and the spread of Islam to all peoples and all lands. No equality. No liberty. No freedom of speech, or of worship. Kill or convert. It's a racial supremacist ideology, plain and simple. Sure, there are plenty of muslims who are lovely people and would happily live in peace alongside Israeli Jews. But the former is what Israel are up against at a state level. | |||
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"It's definitely ridiculous seeing in these forums how deluded people are in thinking terrorism is something only brown people that are against western control of their regions can do. The only thing here that's "definitely ridiculous" is just how plain ignorant and fundamentally racist this comment truly is. Let me tell you a little secret: Jews are, as you say, "brown people" too! *gasp* I know, right?! Also, there are white extremists right here in the UK. And brown. And black. Just like all over the world. You know, it's almost - ALMOST - as if skin colour has nothing to fucking do with being a terrorist or not. Jesus fucking Christ. That "population growth" you are suggesting is nonsense. Not only is it not nonsense, it's only a drop in the bucket compared to the bigger picture. In 1948 when Israel was (re)founded, the estimated population of "Palestinians" was ~700-800K... in 2023 estimates are ~5-6 million. Wow, what a "ethnic cleasing" / "genocide" that is...
...but to assert that anyone that fights back and resists a very hostile occupation that has been killing and brutally treating the population of the area for decades...
You mean like what Israel has been doing against terrorists and neighboring Arab states? Only change 'decades' to 'centuries' instead.
throwing people off their lands because the ultra Zionist ideology that has captured much of the Israeli population
What does "ultra Zionist ideology" mean? Also, what has the extremist islamist ideology been doing to the Jews and the Israelis for centuries up until this point?
You don't treat a population like that and just expect them to roll over and accept it. I don't support violence against civilians and simply normal people living their lives
Which is exactly why anyone would ever support Hamas over Israel in the wake of October 7th is fucking mind-boggling beyond belief.
a non insignificant portion of the population see anyone other than Jewish people as lesser beings. God's chosen people after all.
And yet it's not their core beliefs, not their government or policies. The Jews of Israel want to live in peace and allow Judaism, Christianity and Islam to access the Holy Land, freedom of religious practice, and prayer. They have Muslim Arabs in offices, seats on councils, and in government positions. Now compare that to the extremist islamist movement throughout the Middle-East. They don't want to share the land. They're not interested in peace, or harmony. Their core beliefs and ultimate political goals are the death of all Jews, the fall of the West, and the spread of Islam to all peoples and all lands. No equality. No liberty. No freedom of speech, or of worship. Kill or convert. It's a racial supremacist ideology, plain and simple. Sure, there are plenty of muslims who are lovely people and would happily live in peace alongside Israeli Jews. But the former is what Israel are up against at a state level."Well thought out, factually accurate points you have made, not sure certain posters would agree but I certainly do, Mrs x | |||
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"It's definitely ridiculous seeing in these forums how deluded people are in thinking terrorism is something only brown people that are against western control of their regions can do. The only thing here that's "definitely ridiculous" is just how plain ignorant and fundamentally racist this comment truly is. Let me tell you a little secret: Jews are, as you say, "brown people" too! *gasp* I know, right?! Also, there are white extremists right here in the UK. And brown. And black. Just like all over the world. You know, it's almost - ALMOST - as if skin colour has nothing to fucking do with being a terrorist or not. Jesus fucking Christ. That "population growth" you are suggesting is nonsense. Not only is it not nonsense, it's only a drop in the bucket compared to the bigger picture. In 1948 when Israel was (re)founded, the estimated population of "Palestinians" was ~700-800K... in 2023 estimates are ~5-6 million. Wow, what a "ethnic cleasing" / "genocide" that is...
...but to assert that anyone that fights back and resists a very hostile occupation that has been killing and brutally treating the population of the area for decades...
You mean like what Israel has been doing against terrorists and neighboring Arab states? Only change 'decades' to 'centuries' instead.
throwing people off their lands because the ultra Zionist ideology that has captured much of the Israeli population
What does "ultra Zionist ideology" mean? Also, what has the extremist islamist ideology been doing to the Jews and the Israelis for centuries up until this point?
You don't treat a population like that and just expect them to roll over and accept it. I don't support violence against civilians and simply normal people living their lives
Which is exactly why anyone would ever support Hamas over Israel in the wake of October 7th is fucking mind-boggling beyond belief.
a non insignificant portion of the population see anyone other than Jewish people as lesser beings. God's chosen people after all.
And yet it's not their core beliefs, not their government or policies. The Jews of Israel want to live in peace and allow Judaism, Christianity and Islam to access the Holy Land, freedom of religious practice, and prayer. They have Muslim Arabs in offices, seats on councils, and in government positions. Now compare that to the extremist islamist movement throughout the Middle-East. They don't want to share the land. They're not interested in peace, or harmony. Their core beliefs and ultimate political goals are the death of all Jews, the fall of the West, and the spread of Islam to all peoples and all lands. No equality. No liberty. No freedom of speech, or of worship. Kill or convert. It's a racial supremacist ideology, plain and simple. Sure, there are plenty of muslims who are lovely people and would happily live in peace alongside Israeli Jews. But the former is what Israel are up against at a state level."I disagree on this point as it's both the Zionist and Islamic extremists, not mainstream moderate Jews causing this. Remove both Hamas and Zionist ideologies and I'd agree they could live together. | |||
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"I disagree on this point as it's both the Zionist and Islamic extremists, not mainstream moderate Jews causing this. Remove both Hamas and Zionist ideologies and I'd agree they could live together." Define Zionism/Zionist for me. | |||
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"It's definitely ridiculous seeing in these forums how deluded people are in thinking terrorism is something only brown people that are against western control of their regions can do. The only thing here that's "definitely ridiculous" is just how plain ignorant and fundamentally racist this comment truly is. Let me tell you a little secret: Jews are, as you say, "brown people" too! *gasp* I know, right?! Also, there are white extremists right here in the UK. And brown. And black. Just like all over the world. You know, it's almost - ALMOST - as if skin colour has nothing to fucking do with being a terrorist or not. Jesus fucking Christ. That "population growth" you are suggesting is nonsense. Not only is it not nonsense, it's only a drop in the bucket compared to the bigger picture. In 1948 when Israel was (re)founded, the estimated population of "Palestinians" was ~700-800K... in 2023 estimates are ~5-6 million. Wow, what a "ethnic cleasing" / "genocide" that is...
...but to assert that anyone that fights back and resists a very hostile occupation that has been killing and brutally treating the population of the area for decades...
You mean like what Israel has been doing against terrorists and neighboring Arab states? Only change 'decades' to 'centuries' instead.
throwing people off their lands because the ultra Zionist ideology that has captured much of the Israeli population
What does "ultra Zionist ideology" mean? Also, what has the extremist islamist ideology been doing to the Jews and the Israelis for centuries up until this point?
You don't treat a population like that and just expect them to roll over and accept it. I don't support violence against civilians and simply normal people living their lives
Which is exactly why anyone would ever support Hamas over Israel in the wake of October 7th is fucking mind-boggling beyond belief.
a non insignificant portion of the population see anyone other than Jewish people as lesser beings. God's chosen people after all.
And yet it's not their core beliefs, not their government or policies. The Jews of Israel want to live in peace and allow Judaism, Christianity and Islam to access the Holy Land, freedom of religious practice, and prayer. They have Muslim Arabs in offices, seats on councils, and in government positions. Now compare that to the extremist islamist movement throughout the Middle-East. They don't want to share the land. They're not interested in peace, or harmony. Their core beliefs and ultimate political goals are the death of all Jews, the fall of the West, and the spread of Islam to all peoples and all lands. No equality. No liberty. No freedom of speech, or of worship. Kill or convert. It's a racial supremacist ideology, plain and simple. Sure, there are plenty of muslims who are lovely people and would happily live in peace alongside Israeli Jews. But the former is what Israel are up against at a state level.
I disagree on this point as it's both the Zionist and Islamic extremists, not mainstream moderate Jews causing this.
Remove both Hamas and Zionist ideologies and I'd agree they could live together.
"They did live together BECAUSE of Zionism. Zionism is just a call to return to an ancestral homeland, just like Islam is a peaceful religion. Both have been corrupted to justify doing terrible things. Hamas's ideology is Islamic terrorism are you saying you advocate getting rid of Islam if you are suggesting getting rid of Zionism? Good luck with that. Mrs x | |||
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"I disagree on this point as it's both the Zionist and Islamic extremists, not mainstream moderate Jews causing this. Remove both Hamas and Zionist ideologies and I'd agree they could live together. Define Zionism/Zionist for me." Jew bad, Jew bad, I think is an adequate summary of his definition of Zionism, Mrs x | |||
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"I disagree on this point as it's both the Zionist and Islamic extremists, not mainstream moderate Jews causing this. Remove both Hamas and Zionist ideologies and I'd agree they could live together. Define Zionism/Zionist for me." Which version would you like? The gritty reality or the fluffy bunny rabbit version that the other poster likes | |||
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"I disagree on this point as it's both the Zionist and Islamic extremists, not mainstream moderate Jews causing this. Remove both Hamas and Zionist ideologies and I'd agree they could live together. Define Zionism/Zionist for me. Which version would you like? The gritty reality or the fluffy bunny rabbit version that the other poster likes" What about the one we're you think it's similar to Nazism and the atrocities they committed, like you said on the other thread today. Explain that version, Mrs x | |||
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"Which version would you like?" There's only one. Let's see if you get it right... | |||
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"Which version would you like? There's only one. Let's see if you get it right..." Many people seem to want to define Zionism in their own way, so as to support a straw-man argument against it. Then they can beat up on Israel as much as they like, with a focus on "Zionism", instead of the people who actually live there. Because that makes them feel better. | |||
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"Which version would you like? There's only one. Let's see if you get it right..." There's only one version that you think is the right one, going by your opinion that your an expert on the subject. Zionism was created by Mr. Theodor Herzel and others at the end of the 19th Century, and in that era it was commonplace to be colonialist, to be racist, to be super-nationalist, to adore the nation-state—so the idea of France for the French, Germany for the Germanics, and then some state for the Jews. This all formed the basis for Zionism. Zionism and Judaism are contrary to each other. Because Judaism is universal and humane, and Zionism is exactly the opposite. It is very narrow, very nationalistic, racist, colonialist, and all this. There is no “National Judaism.” There is Zionism and there is Judaism, and they are completely different. Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism. Because Judaism, as I learned it—the Reform Movement—that is highly, highly ethical. And so, you cannot connect Zionism with “highly ethical.” You can only connect the words “aggressive,” “oppressive,” with Zionism But not “highly ethical.” | |||
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"Which version would you like? There's only one. Let's see if you get it right... I know you believe the version written on sheets of paper but it's the reality on the ground that counts" Nothing you have said on this issue suggests you have the faintest idea what reality is... Mrs x | |||
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"Which version would you like? There's only one. Let's see if you get it right... There's only one version that you think is the right one, going by your opinion that your an expert on the subject. Zionism was created by Mr. Theodor Herzel and others at the end of the 19th Century, and in that era it was commonplace to be colonialist, to be racist, to be super-nationalist, to adore the nation-state—so the idea of France for the French, Germany for the Germanics, and then some state for the Jews. This all formed the basis for Zionism. Zionism and Judaism are contrary to each other. Because Judaism is universal and humane, and Zionism is exactly the opposite. It is very narrow, very nationalistic, racist, colonialist, and all this. There is no “National Judaism.” There is Zionism and there is Judaism, and they are completely different. Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism. Because Judaism, as I learned it—the Reform Movement—that is highly, highly ethical. And so, you cannot connect Zionism with “highly ethical.” You can only connect the words “aggressive,” “oppressive,” with Zionism But not “highly ethical.” " Eh? What a load of rubbish. Since when has anyone conflated Judaism and Zionism but you? Judaism is a religion, Zionism is a call to return to a 'homeland'.. . You are adding all the bells and whistles here to portray it how you want it to be seen but that's just not true. Not at all, Mrs x | |||
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"Which version would you like? There's only one. Let's see if you get it right... I know you believe the version written on sheets of paper but it's the reality on the ground that countsNothing you have said on this issue suggests you have the faintest idea what reality is... Mrs x" Did you read that definition I posted? What's your thoughts on it? | |||
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"Which version would you like? There's only one. Let's see if you get it right... There's only one version that you think is the right one, going by your opinion that your an expert on the subject. Zionism was created by Mr. Theodor Herzel and others at the end of the 19th Century, and in that era it was commonplace to be colonialist, to be racist, to be super-nationalist, to adore the nation-state—so the idea of France for the French, Germany for the Germanics, and then some state for the Jews. This all formed the basis for Zionism. Zionism and Judaism are contrary to each other. Because Judaism is universal and humane, and Zionism is exactly the opposite. It is very narrow, very nationalistic, racist, colonialist, and all this. There is no “National Judaism.” There is Zionism and there is Judaism, and they are completely different. Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism. Because Judaism, as I learned it—the Reform Movement—that is highly, highly ethical. And so, you cannot connect Zionism with “highly ethical.” You can only connect the words “aggressive,” “oppressive,” with Zionism But not “highly ethical.” Eh? What a load of rubbish. Since when has anyone conflated Judaism and Zionism but you? Judaism is a religion, Zionism is a call to return to a 'homeland'.. . You are adding all the bells and whistles here to portray it how you want it to be seen but that's just not true. Not at all, Mrs x" Rated than just call the definition of Zionism as rubbish - can you be more specific please. Which parts are rubbish etc... | |||
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"Homeland? Everyone who moved to modern Israel already had a passport from somewhere else and then had two. " Over 50% of Jews in Israel have passports from Arab/Muslim countries, with the largest group being from Iraq. Where do they go? " You don’t hear Christians demanding a Christian home state. If they did it would be on the same piece of land. Israel is a country where today, modern Christians are treated as third rate citizens. The second rate are secular Jews and the forth rate, Muslims. Been there and seen it. This is what I’ve been told by a secular Jewish family when I visited Jerusalem. They had been pressured out of their neighbourhood by Orthodox Jews." Rubbish. Most of The Supreme Court, politicians (MKs) and court and the prime minister (Netanyahu) are not religious (secular) Jews. The ultra orthodox (haredim) are generally looked down upon. In Israel, pretty much every group will point to another group and say that they are treated better than they are. | |||
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" Rated than just call the definition of Zionism as rubbish - can you be more specific please. Which parts are rubbish etc..." The general idea, if not the term Zionism itself, had existed since Jews were expelled from Israel. It's the desire of an exiled people to return to their homeland, which has been articulated daily by all practicing Jews for two thousand years. | |||
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"Which version would you like? There's only one. Let's see if you get it right... There's only one version that you think is the right one, going by your opinion that your an expert on the subject. Zionism was created by Mr. Theodor Herzel and others at the end of the 19th Century, and in that era it was commonplace to be colonialist, to be racist, to be super-nationalist, to adore the nation-state—so the idea of France for the French, Germany for the Germanics, and then some state for the Jews. This all formed the basis for Zionism. Zionism and Judaism are contrary to each other. Because Judaism is universal and humane, and Zionism is exactly the opposite. It is very narrow, very nationalistic, racist, colonialist, and all this. There is no “National Judaism.” There is Zionism and there is Judaism, and they are completely different. Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism. Because Judaism, as I learned it—the Reform Movement—that is highly, highly ethical. And so, you cannot connect Zionism with “highly ethical.” You can only connect the words “aggressive,” “oppressive,” with Zionism But not “highly ethical.” Eh? What a load of rubbish. Since when has anyone conflated Judaism and Zionism but you? Judaism is a religion, Zionism is a call to return to a 'homeland'.. . You are adding all the bells and whistles here to portray it how you want it to be seen but that's just not true. Not at all, Mrs x" Well I have to tell you that what you described as : " a load of rubbish", was in fact a description of Zionism by a haulocaust survivor. Someone with a lot more gravitas than 99.999% of posters on here It's something that I agree with and as for myself conflating Zionism with Judaism - I've never attacked the Jews, only the Zionists who are in charge in modern day Israel. | |||
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" Do you know what Jews from Arab countries are collectively called in Israel by European Jews? Arsim and frecha. Hebrew for pimps and whores. " What decade are you living in? What's your point? Israel has moved on from the 1950s, just like the US and UK. " The Arab countries they came from have given Jews succor for centuries when Christian’s were doing their best to persecute them. They were living in peace and security with their Muslim cousins and neighbours all over the Arab world before they moved to Israel. " You really are serious, aren't you? That's completely wrong. It's a revisionist lie told by people in that region who would rather forget their operation of Jews, both before and after the state of Israel. Look up restrictions on Jews living in Yemen, or pogroms in the area in the 19th and 20th centuries. " 135,000 Iraqi jews were expelled from Iraq in the 1950’s, many made their new homes in other Arab countries, where they were welcomed." Really. Which country? Where are they now? That is 100% incorrect. Some may have gone to other countries (mostly Western ones, including the UK), but three quarters of Jews from the wider Middle East (mostly Iraq) ended up in Israel. | |||
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"Which version would you like? There's only one. Let's see if you get it right... There's only one version that you think is the right one, going by your opinion that your an expert on the subject. Zionism was created by Mr. Theodor Herzel and others at the end of the 19th Century, and in that era it was commonplace to be colonialist, to be racist, to be super-nationalist, to adore the nation-state—so the idea of France for the French, Germany for the Germanics, and then some state for the Jews. This all formed the basis for Zionism. Zionism and Judaism are contrary to each other. Because Judaism is universal and humane, and Zionism is exactly the opposite. It is very narrow, very nationalistic, racist, colonialist, and all this. There is no “National Judaism.” There is Zionism and there is Judaism, and they are completely different. Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism. Because Judaism, as I learned it—the Reform Movement—that is highly, highly ethical. And so, you cannot connect Zionism with “highly ethical.” You can only connect the words “aggressive,” “oppressive,” with Zionism But not “highly ethical.” " Surely the origins of zionist comes from the biblical era. It cannot be coincidental there was/is a place called Zion. | |||
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" Do you know what Jews from Arab countries are collectively called in Israel by European Jews? Arsim and frecha. Hebrew for pimps and whores. “What decade are you living in? What's your point? Israel has moved on from the 1950s, just like the US and UK.” That’s what they are called today, not in the 1950’s. The Arab countries they came from have given Jews succor for centuries when Christian’s were doing their best to persecute them. They were living in peace and security with their Muslim cousins and neighbours all over the Arab world before they moved to Israel. “You really are serious, aren't you? That's completely wrong. It's a revisionist lie told by people in that region who would rather forget their operation of Jews, both before and after the state of Israel. Look up restrictions on Jews living in Yemen, or pogroms in the area in the 19th and 20th centuries.” I’m absolutely serious. The Yemen is one small country. 135,000 Iraqi jews were expelled from Iraq in the 1950’s, many made their new homes in other Arab countries, where they were welcomed. “Really. Which country? Where are they now? That is 100% incorrect.” You are just plain wrong “Some may have gone to other countries (mostly Western ones, including the UK), but three quarters of Jews from the wider Middle East (mostly Iraq) ended up in Israel." ” Three quarters of 135,000 is a very small proportion of Israel’s population. They are still treated as second class citizens (arsim and frecha) who are stopped at checkpoints that I would walk through unhindered. | |||
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"Which version would you like? There's only one. Let's see if you get it right... There's only one version that you think is the right one, going by your opinion that your an expert on the subject. Zionism was created by Mr. Theodor Herzel and others at the end of the 19th Century, and in that era it was commonplace to be colonialist, to be racist, to be super-nationalist, to adore the nation-state—so the idea of France for the French, Germany for the Germanics, and then some state for the Jews. This all formed the basis for Zionism. Zionism and Judaism are contrary to each other. Because Judaism is universal and humane, and Zionism is exactly the opposite. It is very narrow, very nationalistic, racist, colonialist, and all this. There is no “National Judaism.” There is Zionism and there is Judaism, and they are completely different. Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism. Because Judaism, as I learned it—the Reform Movement—that is highly, highly ethical. And so, you cannot connect Zionism with “highly ethical.” You can only connect the words “aggressive,” “oppressive,” with Zionism But not “highly ethical.” Eh? What a load of rubbish. Since when has anyone conflated Judaism and Zionism but you? Judaism is a religion, Zionism is a call to return to a 'homeland'.. . You are adding all the bells and whistles here to portray it how you want it to be seen but that's just not true. Not at all, Mrs x Rated than just call the definition of Zionism as rubbish - can you be more specific please. Which parts are rubbish etc..." I'm not calling Zionism rubbish, just your lame attempt at a definition of it. Which Zionism are you describing anyway, there are loads of different versions, all slightly different, Religious, Revisionist, Revolutionary, Socialist, Capitalist and many more but they all have one thing in common a return to there homeland. So which one are you referring to? Mrs x | |||
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" Three quarters of 135,000 is a very small proportion of Israel’s population. They are still treated as second class citizens (arsim and frecha) who are stopped at checkpoints that I would walk through unhindered." This is false. (1) This demographic makes up more than 50% of Israel's Jews. 135k is just from Iraq. When you count the other Arab countries, it gets closer to 700k. Which is approximately the same as the number of displaced Arabs from Israel. These people have since multiplied over the pace 70-80 years, as has everyone else in the region. Just look up the demographics. You might have been there, but you are either out of date, wrong or are misrepresenting. | |||
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"Homeland? Everyone who moved to modern Israel already had a passport from somewhere else and then had two. You don’t hear Christians demanding a Christian home state. If they did it would be on the same piece of land. Israel is a country where today, modern Christians are treated as third rate citizens. The second rate are secular Jews and the forth rate, Muslims. Been there and seen it. This is what I’ve been told by a secular Jewish family when I visited Jerusalem. They had been pressured out of their neighbourhood by Orthodox Jews." The reason Christians don't call for a homeland is because they never had one originally, there wasnt one country Christians called home, Jews, however, have had one lived there for thousands of years and were subsequently evicted, to wander without a home persecuted everywhere they went. Maybe that's why they have been calling for a return to a 'safe' homeland. And congratulations on being so widely travelled, everyone knows anecdotal evidence is stronger than actually factually evidence, no everyone it honestly is. Mrs x | |||
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" Do you know what Jews from Arab countries are collectively called in Israel by European Jews? Arsim and frecha. Hebrew for pimps and whores. “What decade are you living in? What's your point? Israel has moved on from the 1950s, just like the US and UK.” That’s what they are called today, not in the 1950’s. The Arab countries they came from have given Jews succor for centuries when Christian’s were doing their best to persecute them. They were living in peace and security with their Muslim cousins and neighbours all over the Arab world before they moved to Israel. “You really are serious, aren't you? That's completely wrong. It's a revisionist lie told by people in that region who would rather forget their operation of Jews, both before and after the state of Israel. Look up restrictions on Jews living in Yemen, or pogroms in the area in the 19th and 20th centuries.” I’m absolutely serious. The Yemen is one small country. 135,000 Iraqi jews were expelled from Iraq in the 1950’s, many made their new homes in other Arab countries, where they were welcomed. “Really. Which country? Where are they now? That is 100% incorrect.” You are just plain wrong “Some may have gone to other countries (mostly Western ones, including the UK), but three quarters of Jews from the wider Middle East (mostly Iraq) ended up in Israel.” Three quarters of 135,000 is a very small proportion of Israel’s population. They are still treated as second class citizens (arsim and frecha) who are stopped at checkpoints that I would walk through unhindered." So you are saying a foreigner can walk about 'unhindered' in a country that's very security conscious and fir good reason. Omg maybe that's the problem right there, tge Israelis are taking there eye of tge ball and letting total strangers to their land walk about willy nilly with no checks done upon them to see if they are a good guy or a bad guy... Really? haha, Mrs x | |||
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" So you are saying a foreigner can walk about 'unhindered' in a country that's very security conscious and fir good reason. Omg maybe that's the problem right there, tge Israelis are taking there eye of tge ball and letting total strangers to their land walk about willy nilly with no checks done upon them to see if they are a good guy or a bad guy... Really? haha, Mrs x" In practice, white Europeans are not seen as threats, whereas (in some contexts), Arabs are treated with suspicion. The mizrahi Jews generally are not bothered by this, because most Israelis can tell what they look like (they have distinct DNA from Arabs), whereas someone from Europe might struggle (similarly to how many Europeans would struggle to identify Chinese vs Japanese, despite it being obvious to Asians). | |||
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" So you are saying a foreigner can walk about 'unhindered' in a country that's very security conscious and fir good reason. Omg maybe that's the problem right there, tge Israelis are taking there eye of tge ball and letting total strangers to their land walk about willy nilly with no checks done upon them to see if they are a good guy or a bad guy... Really? haha, Mrs x In practice, white Europeans are not seen as threats, whereas (in some contexts), Arabs are treated with suspicion. The mizrahi Jews generally are not bothered by this, because most Israelis can tell what they look like (they have distinct DNA from Arabs), whereas someone from Europe might struggle (similarly to how many Europeans would struggle to identify Chinese vs Japanese, despite it being obvious to Asians)." Learn something new every day, thanks for that, Mrs x | |||
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" Learn something new every day, thanks for that, Mrs x" That said... Single white females are subjected to serious scrutiny at airports, due to plots to use them to take bombs onto planes (unwittingly, by people who had "love bombed" them)... Security personnel are constantly profiling individuals to assess threat levels. It's a horrible time to be an Arab in Israel. | |||
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" Learn something new every day, thanks for that, Mrs x That said... Single white females are subjected to serious scrutiny at airports, due to plots to use them to take bombs onto planes (unwittingly, by people who had "love bombed" them)... Security personnel are constantly profiling individuals to assess threat levels. It's a horrible time to be an Arab in Israel." I'm sure it is, Mrs x | |||
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"“ So you are saying a foreigner can walk about 'unhindered' in a country that's very security conscious and fir good reason. Omg maybe that's the problem right there, tge Israelis are taking there eye of tge ball and letting total strangers to their land walk about willy nilly with no checks done upon them to see if they are a good guy or a bad guy... Really? haha, Mrs x” The first time I went to Israel I was there for over 3 months. My Rough Guide told me to always carry my passport for security checks for shopping malls, public transport and roadblocks. Basically always carry it. I travelled the entire country on buses or hitching and was waved through every time but watched many olive skinned or brown people stopped to show their Israeli passports. At the end of my stay I asked a few people why I had never been stopped or checked. The only replies I got were “why would they, you don’t look Arab” or “Because you look European”. This truth may not fit your preferred narrative, tough." I stand corrected but I'm surprised by the lack of security checks, that's alarming really. Mrscx | |||
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"“ So you are saying a foreigner can walk about 'unhindered' in a country that's very security conscious and fir good reason. Omg maybe that's the problem right there, tge Israelis are taking there eye of tge ball and letting total strangers to their land walk about willy nilly with no checks done upon them to see if they are a good guy or a bad guy... Really? haha, Mrs x” The first time I went to Israel I was there for over 3 months. My Rough Guide told me to always carry my passport for security checks for shopping malls, public transport and roadblocks. Basically always carry it. I travelled the entire country on buses or hitching and was waved through every time but watched many olive skinned or brown people stopped to show their Israeli passports. At the end of my stay I asked a few people why I had never been stopped or checked. The only replies I got were “why would they, you don’t look Arab” or “Because you look European”. This truth may not fit your preferred narrative, tough. I stand corrected but I'm surprised by the lack of security checks, that's alarming really. Mrscx" I have been to Israel a number of times, the first time was reasonable on the security checks, the second not so and by the forth, it became a problem at the airport and beyond. Suspicion is Israels driver, they trust nobody was my take away. | |||
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"“ So you are saying a foreigner can walk about 'unhindered' in a country that's very security conscious and fir good reason. Omg maybe that's the problem right there, tge Israelis are taking there eye of tge ball and letting total strangers to their land walk about willy nilly with no checks done upon them to see if they are a good guy or a bad guy... Really? haha, Mrs x” The first time I went to Israel I was there for over 3 months. My Rough Guide told me to always carry my passport for security checks for shopping malls, public transport and roadblocks. Basically always carry it. I travelled the entire country on buses or hitching and was waved through every time but watched many olive skinned or brown people stopped to show their Israeli passports. At the end of my stay I asked a few people why I had never been stopped or checked. The only replies I got were “why would they, you don’t look Arab” or “Because you look European”. This truth may not fit your preferred narrative, tough. I stand corrected but I'm surprised by the lack of security checks, that's alarming really. Mrscx I have been to Israel a number of times, the first time was reasonable on the security checks, the second not so and by the forth, it became a problem at the airport and beyond. Suspicion is Israels driver, they trust nobody was my take away. " That's how I expected it to be to be fair, Mrs x | |||
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"“ So you are saying a foreigner can walk about 'unhindered' in a country that's very security conscious and fir good reason. Omg maybe that's the problem right there, tge Israelis are taking there eye of tge ball and letting total strangers to their land walk about willy nilly with no checks done upon them to see if they are a good guy or a bad guy... Really? haha, Mrs x” The first time I went to Israel I was there for over 3 months. My Rough Guide told me to always carry my passport for security checks for shopping malls, public transport and roadblocks. Basically always carry it. I travelled the entire country on buses or hitching and was waved through every time but watched many olive skinned or brown people stopped to show their Israeli passports. At the end of my stay I asked a few people why I had never been stopped or checked. The only replies I got were “why would they, you don’t look Arab” or “Because you look European”. This truth may not fit your preferred narrative, tough. I stand corrected but I'm surprised by the lack of security checks, that's alarming really. Mrscx" I'm shocked here! I thought you'd use the usual drivel on him as you do me;. Are you not going to be; Calling him Dan! Call him a liar Calling him anti semetic Referring to him as telling porkies a d for him to admit it
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" Do you know what Jews from Arab countries are collectively called in Israel by European Jews? Arsim and frecha. Hebrew for pimps and whores. What decade are you living in? What's your point? Israel has moved on from the 1950s, just like the US and UK. The Arab countries they came from have given Jews succor for centuries when Christian’s were doing their best to persecute them. They were living in peace and security with their Muslim cousins and neighbours all over the Arab world before they moved to Israel. You really are serious, aren't you? That's completely wrong. It's a revisionist lie told by people in that region who would rather forget their operation of Jews, both before and after the state of Israel. Look up restrictions on Jews living in Yemen, or pogroms in the area in the 19th and 20th centuries. 135,000 Iraqi jews were expelled from Iraq in the 1950’s, many made their new homes in other Arab countries, where they were welcomed. Really. Which country? Where are they now? That is 100% incorrect. Some may have gone to other countries (mostly Western ones, including the UK), but three quarters of Jews from the wider Middle East (mostly Iraq) ended up in Israel." Re:1950s - your in support of a 19th century ideology in practice in Israel - persecuting people en mass , collective punishments, mass fatalities in the name of Zionism and your lecturing people on the 1950s. Is that correct? | |||
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" Re:1950s - your in support of a 19th century ideology in practice in Israel - persecuting people en mass , collective punishments, mass fatalities in the name of Zionism and your lecturing people on the 1950s. Is that correct? Huh? What is your assertion/accusation?" Just looking for clarity here. The Zionist ideology based on colonialism, racism, force brutality and apartheid from the 19th century being practiced in modern day Israel is legitimate and should be defended, but events from the 1950s are not to be discussed? | |||
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" Just looking for clarity here. " You're not the only one! 
" The Zionist ideology based on colonialism, racism, force brutality and apartheid from the 19th century being practiced in modern day Israel is legitimate and should be defended " You're making a straw man here to beat up. Enjoy! " but events from the 1950s are not to be discussed?" Why would you ask that to someone who specifically discussed events in the 1950s? | |||
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" Re:1950s - your in support of a 19th century ideology in practice in Israel - persecuting people en mass , collective punishments, mass fatalities in the name of Zionism and your lecturing people on the 1950s. Is that correct? Huh? What is your assertion/accusation? Just looking for clarity here. The Zionist ideology based on colonialism, racism, force brutality and apartheid from the 19th century being practiced in modern day Israel is legitimate and should be defended, but events from the 1950s are not to be discussed?" So which specific version of Zionism are you describing? Be specific, state who created it, who practices it etc because it's nothing like the versions of Zionism I'm aware of. Good luck, Mrs x | |||
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Fair point - I'm not closed minded like some people an willing to explore opinions etc..
You're making a straw man here to beat up. Enjoy!
Can you clarify this, is what I said that you dispute on how I describe the Israel government?!
but events from the 1950s are not to be discussed?
Why would you ask that to someone who specifically discussed events in the 1950s?
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" Re:1950s - your in support of a 19th century ideology in practice in Israel - persecuting people en mass , collective punishments, mass fatalities in the name of Zionism and your lecturing people on the 1950s. Is that correct? Huh? What is your assertion/accusation? Just looking for clarity here. The Zionist ideology based on colonialism, racism, force brutality and apartheid from the 19th century being practiced in modern day Israel is legitimate and should be defended, but events from the 1950s are not to be discussed?So which specific version of Zionism are you describing? Be specific, state who created it, who practices it etc because it's nothing like the versions of Zionism I'm aware of. Good luck, Mrs x" The version of Zionism I see is The Zionist ideology based on colonialism, racism, force brutality and apartheid. The one that resulted in the fermentation of the likes Hamas (as I stated above and typed it on again for you) What version of Zionism do you see? | |||
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" Re:1950s - your in support of a 19th century ideology in practice in Israel - persecuting people en mass , collective punishments, mass fatalities in the name of Zionism and your lecturing people on the 1950s. Is that correct? Huh? What is your assertion/accusation? Just looking for clarity here. The Zionist ideology based on colonialism, racism, force brutality and apartheid from the 19th century being practiced in modern day Israel is legitimate and should be defended, but events from the 1950s are not to be discussed?So which specific version of Zionism are you describing? Be specific, state who created it, who practices it etc because it's nothing like the versions of Zionism I'm aware of. Good luck, Mrs x" That version of Zionism wasn't written by me. I was testing the other poster out as he was just been a bit of a big head It was written by a haulocaust survivor who sees Zionism as it is in practice. I just cut and pasted it. I fully agree with it btw. In what other country, is there a government fully supported by the USA and UK and Europe, wanted by the ICC for war crimes and crimes against humanity?! | |||
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" Re:1950s - your in support of a 19th century ideology in practice in Israel - persecuting people en mass , collective punishments, mass fatalities in the name of Zionism and your lecturing people on the 1950s. Is that correct? Huh? What is your assertion/accusation? Just looking for clarity here. The Zionist ideology based on colonialism, racism, force brutality and apartheid from the 19th century being practiced in modern day Israel is legitimate and should be defended, but events from the 1950s are not to be discussed?So which specific version of Zionism are you describing? Be specific, state who created it, who practices it etc because it's nothing like the versions of Zionism I'm aware of. Good luck, Mrs x" Oops I'll try again - missed the questions out you asked. Who created it : Mr.Theodor Herzel and others at the end of the 19th Century Who practices it: the Likud party, current leader netenyahu, plus other members of the cabinet , in particular Itamar Ben-Gvir who's a particular unpleasant character | |||
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" Re:1950s - your in support of a 19th century ideology in practice in Israel - persecuting people en mass , collective punishments, mass fatalities in the name of Zionism and your lecturing people on the 1950s. Is that correct? Huh? What is your assertion/accusation? Just looking for clarity here. The Zionist ideology based on colonialism, racism, force brutality and apartheid from the 19th century being practiced in modern day Israel is legitimate and should be defended, but events from the 1950s are not to be discussed?So which specific version of Zionism are you describing? Be specific, state who created it, who practices it etc because it's nothing like the versions of Zionism I'm aware of. Good luck, Mrs x The version of Zionism I see is The Zionist ideology based on colonialism, racism, force brutality and apartheid. The one that resulted in the fermentation of the likes Hamas (as I stated above and typed it on again for you) What version of Zionism do you see?" There was no version of that originally, where exactly are you getting these ideas? Mrsxx | |||
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" Re:1950s - your in support of a 19th century ideology in practice in Israel - persecuting people en mass , collective punishments, mass fatalities in the name of Zionism and your lecturing people on the 1950s. Is that correct? Huh? What is your assertion/accusation? Just looking for clarity here. The Zionist ideology based on colonialism, racism, force brutality and apartheid from the 19th century being practiced in modern day Israel is legitimate and should be defended, but events from the 1950s are not to be discussed?So which specific version of Zionism are you describing? Be specific, state who created it, who practices it etc because it's nothing like the versions of Zionism I'm aware of. Good luck, Mrs x Oops I'll try again - missed the questions out you asked. Who created it : Mr.Theodor Herzel and others at the end of the 19th Century Who practices it: the Likud party, current leader netenyahu, plus other members of the cabinet , in particular Itamar Ben-Gvir who's a particular unpleasant character " You do know, even in the 19th Century there were dozens of versions of Zionism. Liked version was developed by a guy who said all people in Israel should have equal rights and protections but it's obvious you haven't read that yet, look it up it's not hard to find. Mrs x | |||
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" Re:1950s - your in support of a 19th century ideology in practice in Israel - persecuting people en mass , collective punishments, mass fatalities in the name of Zionism and your lecturing people on the 1950s. Is that correct? Huh? What is your assertion/accusation? Just looking for clarity here. The Zionist ideology based on colonialism, racism, force brutality and apartheid from the 19th century being practiced in modern day Israel is legitimate and should be defended, but events from the 1950s are not to be discussed?So which specific version of Zionism are you describing? Be specific, state who created it, who practices it etc because it's nothing like the versions of Zionism I'm aware of. Good luck, Mrs x Oops I'll try again - missed the questions out you asked. Who created it : Mr.Theodor Herzel and others at the end of the 19th Century Who practices it: the Likud party, current leader netenyahu, plus other members of the cabinet , in particular Itamar Ben-Gvir who's a particular unpleasant character You do know, even in the 19th Century there were dozens of versions of Zionism. Liked version was developed by a guy who said all people in Israel should have equal rights and protections but it's obvious you haven't read that yet, look it up it's not hard to find. Mrs x" The Likud not Liked, Mrs x | |||
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"I just wondered if we had got to the bit over the weekend where it’s been revealed by the editor of “the Atlantic” that he was the inadvertently added to a text group chat on signal where a lot of high up people were talking about plans for this operation and how precise People included Hegseth, Rubio, NSA member Michael walz, , tulsi gabbard, John ratcliffe and others In any normal situation the amount of administration staff that would have resigned by now would be huge… " Talk about an own goal... The media are going to milk this for all its worth but if you cut away the hype, it gives us nothing we would not have expected to see, in my opinion. | |||
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"I just wondered if we had got to the bit over the weekend where it’s been revealed by the editor of “the Atlantic” that he was the inadvertently added to a text group chat on signal where a lot of high up people were talking about plans for this operation and how precise People included Hegseth, Rubio, NSA member Michael walz, , tulsi gabbard, John ratcliffe and others In any normal situation the amount of administration staff that would have resigned by now would be huge… Talk about an own goal... The media are going to milk this for all its worth but if you cut away the hype, it gives us nothing we would not have expected to see, in my opinion." One wonder if Vance has spoken to trump about their now public differences on policy in that area.. | |||
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"I just wondered if we had got to the bit over the weekend where it’s been revealed by the editor of “the Atlantic” that he was the inadvertently added to a text group chat on signal where a lot of high up people were talking about plans for this operation and how precise People included Hegseth, Rubio, NSA member Michael walz, , tulsi gabbard, John ratcliffe and others In any normal situation the amount of administration staff that would have resigned by now would be huge… Talk about an own goal... The media are going to milk this for all its worth but if you cut away the hype, it gives us nothing we would not have expected to see, in my opinion. One wonder if Vance has spoken to trump about their now public differences on policy in that area.. " I'm not sure it is a difference of opinion, it is if 1 individual message is provided. The string of messages goes onto to say that they (the US) are the only ones that have the capabilities to do this. Waltz has got to go, how does a person inadvertently add a reporter to a group like that. | |||
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"I just wondered if we had got to the bit over the weekend where it’s been revealed by the editor of “the Atlantic” that he was the inadvertently added to a text group chat on signal where a lot of high up people were talking about plans for this operation and how precise People included Hegseth, Rubio, NSA member Michael walz, , tulsi gabbard, John ratcliffe and others In any normal situation the amount of administration staff that would have resigned by now would be huge… Talk about an own goal... The media are going to milk this for all its worth but if you cut away the hype, it gives us nothing we would not have expected to see, in my opinion." Really… because a) republicans stun Hillary’s emails to heaven.. and this is a million times worse! B) the fact that if you are using government supplied phones you should not be downloading signal on it in the first place C) isn’t this what a SCIF is designed for! Signal isn’t anymore secure than any other messaging app…. I hope that have now checked every single phone for malware now! Gabbard at DNI and ratcliffe at CIA should resign out of embarrassment, Hegseth and waltz should resign out of incompetence, Rubio at the moment is so undermined by witcoff he should resign out of dignity The other interesting thing out of the published text chains is how much Vance, Hegseth and Stephen miller absolute hate Europe! And want to extract any remuneration even though it’s to do with Israel and Gaza | |||
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"I just wondered if we had got to the bit over the weekend where it’s been revealed by the editor of “the Atlantic” that he was the inadvertently added to a text group chat on signal where a lot of high up people were talking about plans for this operation and how precise People included Hegseth, Rubio, NSA member Michael walz, , tulsi gabbard, John ratcliffe and others In any normal situation the amount of administration staff that would have resigned by now would be huge… Talk about an own goal... The media are going to milk this for all its worth but if you cut away the hype, it gives us nothing we would not have expected to see, in my opinion. Really… because a) republicans stun Hillary’s emails to heaven.. and this is a million times worse! B) the fact that if you are using government supplied phones you should not be downloading signal on it in the first place C) isn’t this what a SCIF is designed for! Signal isn’t anymore secure than any other messaging app…. I hope that have now checked every single phone for malware now! Gabbard at DNI and ratcliffe at CIA should resign out of embarrassment, Hegseth and waltz should resign out of incompetence, Rubio at the moment is so undermined by witcoff he should resign out of dignity The other interesting thing out of the published text chains is how much Vance, Hegseth and Stephen miller absolute hate Europe! And want to extract any remuneration even though it’s to do with Israel and Gaza " You are getting excited due to the use of non approved services, I get it, it is something to get the claws into Trump and his administration. It will blow over with a sacrificial lamb... The hatred for Europe, really? Bailing out and free loading, is what is not liked and the progressive liberalism that is bring Europe to its knees. Don't shoot the messenger! The only thing we didn't know was the use of an authorised app. | |||
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"I just wondered if we had got to the bit over the weekend where it’s been revealed by the editor of “the Atlantic” that he was the inadvertently added to a text group chat on signal where a lot of high up people were talking about plans for this operation and how precise People included Hegseth, Rubio, NSA member Michael walz, , tulsi gabbard, John ratcliffe and others In any normal situation the amount of administration staff that would have resigned by now would be huge… Talk about an own goal... The media are going to milk this for all its worth but if you cut away the hype, it gives us nothing we would not have expected to see, in my opinion. One wonder if Vance has spoken to trump about their now public differences on policy in that area.. I'm not sure it is a difference of opinion, it is if 1 individual message is provided. The string of messages goes onto to say that they (the US) are the only ones that have the capabilities to do this. Waltz has got to go, how does a person inadvertently add a reporter to a group like that. " Vance said the action (authorised by Trump) was a mistake.. Plus he said it sent out that it raised inconsistencies in how Trump will be seen in relation to Ukraine.. They all have differences but they're raised and dealt with in house, this looks a mess which had or might still have intelligence consequences given its ease of exploitation by third parties.. | |||
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"I just wondered if we had got to the bit over the weekend where it’s been revealed by the editor of “the Atlantic” that he was the inadvertently added to a text group chat on signal where a lot of high up people were talking about plans for this operation and how precise People included Hegseth, Rubio, NSA member Michael walz, , tulsi gabbard, John ratcliffe and others In any normal situation the amount of administration staff that would have resigned by now would be huge… Talk about an own goal... The media are going to milk this for all its worth but if you cut away the hype, it gives us nothing we would not have expected to see, in my opinion. Really… because a) republicans stun Hillary’s emails to heaven.. and this is a million times worse! B) the fact that if you are using government supplied phones you should not be downloading signal on it in the first place C) isn’t this what a SCIF is designed for! Signal isn’t anymore secure than any other messaging app…. I hope that have now checked every single phone for malware now! Gabbard at DNI and ratcliffe at CIA should resign out of embarrassment, Hegseth and waltz should resign out of incompetence, Rubio at the moment is so undermined by witcoff he should resign out of dignity The other interesting thing out of the published text chains is how much Vance, Hegseth and Stephen miller absolute hate Europe! And want to extract any remuneration even though it’s to do with Israel and Gaza You are getting excited due to the use of non approved services, I get it, it is something to get the claws into Trump and his administration. It will blow over with a sacrificial lamb... The hatred for Europe, really? Bailing out and free loading, is what is not liked and the progressive liberalism that is bring Europe to its knees. Don't shoot the messenger! The only thing we didn't know was the use of an authorised app." The use of an unauthorised app.. that was me being kind You would only be using an unauthorised app if you deliberately didn’t want any chain of the conversations… like government information act, or any FOIA requests… Or I could be really unkind and suggest that they moved information onto unsecured private phone and then downloads them onto signal….. 18 people with the highest security clearance and not one of them thought “hang on! Should we not be using this!” Which you could suggest that it’s probably not the first time it’s been used! If Hegseth is claiming it didn’t happen… all Goldberg needs to do is hand the text chain over to the democratic senate ranking member at arm services or foreign relations, who would have the top security clearance to know | |||
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"I just wondered if we had got to the bit over the weekend where it’s been revealed by the editor of “the Atlantic” that he was the inadvertently added to a text group chat on signal where a lot of high up people were talking about plans for this operation and how precise People included Hegseth, Rubio, NSA member Michael walz, , tulsi gabbard, John ratcliffe and others In any normal situation the amount of administration staff that would have resigned by now would be huge… Talk about an own goal... The media are going to milk this for all its worth but if you cut away the hype, it gives us nothing we would not have expected to see, in my opinion. One wonder if Vance has spoken to trump about their now public differences on policy in that area.. I'm not sure it is a difference of opinion, it is if 1 individual message is provided. The string of messages goes onto to say that they (the US) are the only ones that have the capabilities to do this. Waltz has got to go, how does a person inadvertently add a reporter to a group like that. Vance said the action (authorised by Trump) was a mistake.. Plus he said it sent out that it raised inconsistencies in how Trump will be seen in relation to Ukraine.. They all have differences but they're raised and dealt with in house, this looks a mess which had or might still have intelligence consequences given its ease of exploitation by third parties.." If we put to one side the use of unauthorised applications, are you really surprised that questions are raised? This is how every decision on direction and outcome goes, the end goal will be delivered but questions will be raised on the why and how, after all they need to deliver. I think people really do believe Trump is a dictator and his word is final, with no input from his team, seeing behind the scenes I see nothing that I haven't seen before or would have not expected. | |||
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"I just wondered if we had got to the bit over the weekend where it’s been revealed by the editor of “the Atlantic” that he was the inadvertently added to a text group chat on signal where a lot of high up people were talking about plans for this operation and how precise People included Hegseth, Rubio, NSA member Michael walz, , tulsi gabbard, John ratcliffe and others In any normal situation the amount of administration staff that would have resigned by now would be huge… Talk about an own goal... The media are going to milk this for all its worth but if you cut away the hype, it gives us nothing we would not have expected to see, in my opinion. One wonder if Vance has spoken to trump about their now public differences on policy in that area.. I'm not sure it is a difference of opinion, it is if 1 individual message is provided. The string of messages goes onto to say that they (the US) are the only ones that have the capabilities to do this. Waltz has got to go, how does a person inadvertently add a reporter to a group like that. Vance said the action (authorised by Trump) was a mistake.. Plus he said it sent out that it raised inconsistencies in how Trump will be seen in relation to Ukraine.. They all have differences but they're raised and dealt with in house, this looks a mess which had or might still have intelligence consequences given its ease of exploitation by third parties.. If we put to one side the use of unauthorised applications, are you really surprised that questions are raised? This is how every decision on direction and outcome goes, the end goal will be delivered but questions will be raised on the why and how, after all they need to deliver. I think people really do believe Trump is a dictator and his word is final, with no input from his team, seeing behind the scenes I see nothing that I haven't seen before or would have not expected. " Whilst ignoring your first paragraph which I clearly covered in my last one.. #nosurpriseshere I'm not sure where your going about trump and some seeing him as a dictator as Ive never said that.. My point which you've chosen to deflect from if I've read this right is that using the app they did for such strategic issues is inherently naive and may have consequences not for some shirt but for people and operations that weren't shared with the journalist but we're /are not at the level of security such things are expected to be.. Yes its a new administration but therein lay some of the issues raised not just by democrats in the appointments trump made.. | |||
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"I just wondered if we had got to the bit over the weekend where it’s been revealed by the editor of “the Atlantic” that he was the inadvertently added to a text group chat on signal where a lot of high up people were talking about plans for this operation and how precise People included Hegseth, Rubio, NSA member Michael walz, , tulsi gabbard, John ratcliffe and others In any normal situation the amount of administration staff that would have resigned by now would be huge… Talk about an own goal... The media are going to milk this for all its worth but if you cut away the hype, it gives us nothing we would not have expected to see, in my opinion. One wonder if Vance has spoken to trump about their now public differences on policy in that area.. I'm not sure it is a difference of opinion, it is if 1 individual message is provided. The string of messages goes onto to say that they (the US) are the only ones that have the capabilities to do this. Waltz has got to go, how does a person inadvertently add a reporter to a group like that. Vance said the action (authorised by Trump) was a mistake.. Plus he said it sent out that it raised inconsistencies in how Trump will be seen in relation to Ukraine.. They all have differences but they're raised and dealt with in house, this looks a mess which had or might still have intelligence consequences given its ease of exploitation by third parties.. If we put to one side the use of unauthorised applications, are you really surprised that questions are raised? This is how every decision on direction and outcome goes, the end goal will be delivered but questions will be raised on the why and how, after all they need to deliver. I think people really do believe Trump is a dictator and his word is final, with no input from his team, seeing behind the scenes I see nothing that I haven't seen before or would have not expected. Whilst ignoring your first paragraph which I clearly covered in my last one.. #nosurpriseshere I'm not sure where your going about trump and some seeing him as a dictator as Ive never said that.. My point which you've chosen to deflect from if I've read this right is that using the app they did for such strategic issues is inherently naive and may have consequences not for some shirt but for people and operations that weren't shared with the journalist but we're /are not at the level of security such things are expected to be.. Yes its a new administration but therein lay some of the issues raised not just by democrats in the appointments trump made.. " I acknowledged the use of an unauthorised app. I was picking up on your point about Vance questioning Trump. To clarify, he was questioning Trump's stance he has with Europe and then bailing them out again. Which makes perfect sense, we know this is what they think and isn't a big story. | |||
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"I just wondered if we had got to the bit over the weekend where it’s been revealed by the editor of “the Atlantic” that he was the inadvertently added to a text group chat on signal where a lot of high up people were talking about plans for this operation and how precise People included Hegseth, Rubio, NSA member Michael walz, , tulsi gabbard, John ratcliffe and others In any normal situation the amount of administration staff that would have resigned by now would be huge… Talk about an own goal... The media are going to milk this for all its worth but if you cut away the hype, it gives us nothing we would not have expected to see, in my opinion. Really… because a) republicans stun Hillary’s emails to heaven.. and this is a million times worse! B) the fact that if you are using government supplied phones you should not be downloading signal on it in the first place C) isn’t this what a SCIF is designed for! Signal isn’t anymore secure than any other messaging app…. I hope that have now checked every single phone for malware now! Gabbard at DNI and ratcliffe at CIA should resign out of embarrassment, Hegseth and waltz should resign out of incompetence, Rubio at the moment is so undermined by witcoff he should resign out of dignity The other interesting thing out of the published text chains is how much Vance, Hegseth and Stephen miller absolute hate Europe! And want to extract any remuneration even though it’s to do with Israel and Gaza You are getting excited due to the use of non approved services, I get it, it is something to get the claws into Trump and his administration. It will blow over with a sacrificial lamb... The hatred for Europe, really? Bailing out and free loading, is what is not liked and the progressive liberalism that is bring Europe to its knees. Don't shoot the messenger! The only thing we didn't know was the use of an authorised app. The use of an unauthorised app.. that was me being kind You would only be using an unauthorised app if you deliberately didn’t want any chain of the conversations… like government information act, or any FOIA requests… Or I could be really unkind and suggest that they moved information onto unsecured private phone and then downloads them onto signal….. 18 people with the highest security clearance and not one of them thought “hang on! Should we not be using this!” Which you could suggest that it’s probably not the first time it’s been used! If Hegseth is claiming it didn’t happen… all Goldberg needs to do is hand the text chain over to the democratic senate ranking member at arm services or foreign relations, who would have the top security clearance to know It brings into question the technical control the US services have on mobile devices and tech in general. All of their devices should have been locked down, to prevent this from happening. I will sit back and watch the fever pitch excitement from the side lines and when it fades away we will be left with a slap on the wrist for using the app, a lamb to the public and confirmation that what is said in public ref European countries not having capabilities and the US being fed up of bailing them out, is really what is thought. " So many twists and turns… and that just those on the right leaning side of things Can I let you into a secret… whenever we get a government phone (which honestly you would not do at my level) or you get a computer/laptop for working from home purposes ( which is common.. on my 3rd laptop now) we all have to sign to say we have read the digital content and social media policy.. and if you are really not sure they list groups of sites you can or can’t use…. And if I inadvertently go on a site I can’t you it tells you to its barred or you can appeal it if you thinks it’s a genuine mistake! For example… me being an Arsenal fan, one of the biggest sites is call “Arseblog”… it thought it was rude.. obviously not.. appealed it.. can now see it! You are right.. it should have been blocked.. but they should also know better on government supplied phones! .. it’s reckless at best, incompetent at worst if the defence secretary is lying he has to go.. which is what he is accusing the reporter of! I have heard people claim it was a honey trap to get the reporter! In which case the fact the reporter didn’t disclose everything has to work in his favour! | |||
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I fully expect there to be a scapegoat, because the left are not going to let this go, I said it was an own goal.
They wont be the first or last to breach their security and usage policies. Clinton, Biden and Trump have been guilty of security breaches at the highest level. However, the fact these 18 individuals could bypass policies on their government hardware asks some very difficult questions, along with adding a journalist which smells of something rotten... | |||
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" Re:1950s - your in support of a 19th century ideology in practice in Israel - persecuting people en mass , collective punishments, mass fatalities in the name of Zionism and your lecturing people on the 1950s. Is that correct? Huh? What is your assertion/accusation? Just looking for clarity here. The Zionist ideology based on colonialism, racism, force brutality and apartheid from the 19th century being practiced in modern day Israel is legitimate and should be defended, but events from the 1950s are not to be discussed?So which specific version of Zionism are you describing? Be specific, state who created it, who practices it etc because it's nothing like the versions of Zionism I'm aware of. Good luck, Mrs x The version of Zionism I see is The Zionist ideology based on colonialism, racism, force brutality and apartheid. The one that resulted in the fermentation of the likes Hamas (as I stated above and typed it on again for you) What version of Zionism do you see?There was no version of that originally, where exactly are you getting these ideas? Mrsxx" Getting these ideas?!? Seriously? By building up a picture from the news and various outlets and considering them objectively - that's been going on since 7 October attacks. I may be a thick refuse collector but jeez! Okay here's the link but seeing as you have the portance to scoff, ridicule deflect and rubbish posts then if you have to do that then ridicule and scoff me all you like but NOT this guy! I've the utmost respect for these haulocaust survivors! If you've a problem with what he says then be respectful FFS! https://truthout.org/video/interview-with-holocaust-survivor-and-antizionist-activist-dr-hajo-meyer-video/ | |||
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" Re:1950s - your in support of a 19th century ideology in practice in Israel - persecuting people en mass , collective punishments, mass fatalities in the name of Zionism and your lecturing people on the 1950s. Is that correct? Huh? What is your assertion/accusation? Just looking for clarity here. The Zionist ideology based on colonialism, racism, force brutality and apartheid from the 19th century being practiced in modern day Israel is legitimate and should be defended, but events from the 1950s are not to be discussed?So which specific version of Zionism are you describing? Be specific, state who created it, who practices it etc because it's nothing like the versions of Zionism I'm aware of. Good luck, Mrs x The version of Zionism I see is The Zionist ideology based on colonialism, racism, force brutality and apartheid. The one that resulted in the fermentation of the likes Hamas (as I stated above and typed it on again for you) What version of Zionism do you see?There was no version of that originally, where exactly are you getting these ideas? Mrsxx Getting these ideas?!? Seriously? By building up a picture from the news and various outlets and considering them objectively - that's been going on since 7 October attacks. I may be a thick refuse collector but jeez! Okay here's the link but seeing as you have the portance to scoff, ridicule deflect and rubbish posts then if you have to do that then ridicule and scoff me all you like but NOT this guy! I've the utmost respect for these haulocaust survivors! If you've a problem with what he says then be respectful FFS! https://truthout.org/video/interview-with-holocaust-survivor-and-antizionist-activist-dr-hajo-meyer-video/" This is not news though. The film was touching was just a personal experience of one survivor. Whilst he said he was shown compassion by the SS guards I'm fairly positive many more would say they have a different experience. The film mentions nothing about Zionism though. He did, until he died in 2014 belong to the International Jewish Anti Zionist Network. This has been described as a 'small, fringe group' against Zionism and the State of Israel. So if you are taking what this group says as 'news' then it's the equivalent of taking quotes from the BNP as news. Sorry but his views and those of this group are not in the majority of Jews, far from it. News, real news is normally reported in non partisan outlets. This group is anything but that. The guy you referenced was also a Communist, which would be conflicting with a man of faith, just saying. So touching story but that's all it was, a story. Mrs x | |||
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"This is the price paid for employing inexperienced, unqualified nieve, Trump ass licking sycophants into the most powerful posts in the world! The more worrying thing for the future is that Vance … god forbid!!, could be a runner for President next time .. that is of course if Trump doesn’t extend himself for life!! …. I only hope that if this does occur, the Americans finally realise what they have done to their country!! …. however based upon what we see, they are slow to learn! R 😘" If Trump managed to extend his status (or opportunity of it), life, he cannot have too much left in him. | |||
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"I just wondered if we had got to the bit over the weekend where it’s been revealed by the editor of “the Atlantic” that he was the inadvertently added to a text group chat on signal where a lot of high up people were talking about plans for this operation and how precise People included Hegseth, Rubio, NSA member Michael walz, , tulsi gabbard, John ratcliffe and others In any normal situation the amount of administration staff that would have resigned by now would be huge… Talk about an own goal... The media are going to milk this for all its worth but if you cut away the hype, it gives us nothing we would not have expected to see, in my opinion. Really… because a) republicans stun Hillary’s emails to heaven.. and this is a million times worse! B) the fact that if you are using government supplied phones you should not be downloading signal on it in the first place C) isn’t this what a SCIF is designed for! Signal isn’t anymore secure than any other messaging app…. I hope that have now checked every single phone for malware now! Gabbard at DNI and ratcliffe at CIA should resign out of embarrassment, Hegseth and waltz should resign out of incompetence, Rubio at the moment is so undermined by witcoff he should resign out of dignity The other interesting thing out of the published text chains is how much Vance, Hegseth and Stephen miller absolute hate Europe! And want to extract any remuneration even though it’s to do with Israel and Gaza You are getting excited due to the use of non approved services, I get it, it is something to get the claws into Trump and his administration. It will blow over with a sacrificial lamb... The hatred for Europe, really? Bailing out and free loading, is what is not liked and the progressive liberalism that is bring Europe to its knees. Don't shoot the messenger! The only thing we didn't know was the use of an authorised app. The use of an unauthorised app.. that was me being kind You would only be using an unauthorised app if you deliberately didn’t want any chain of the conversations… like government information act, or any FOIA requests… Or I could be really unkind and suggest that they moved information onto unsecured private phone and then downloads them onto signal….. 18 people with the highest security clearance and not one of them thought “hang on! Should we not be using this!” Which you could suggest that it’s probably not the first time it’s been used! If Hegseth is claiming it didn’t happen… all Goldberg needs to do is hand the text chain over to the democratic senate ranking member at arm services or foreign relations, who would have the top security clearance to know " It's why America has a quango intelligence agency - statesmen don't have much intelligence 😜 | |||
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" Re:1950s - your in support of a 19th century ideology in practice in Israel - persecuting people en mass , collective punishments, mass fatalities in the name of Zionism and your lecturing people on the 1950s. Is that correct? Huh? What is your assertion/accusation? Just looking for clarity here. The Zionist ideology based on colonialism, racism, force brutality and apartheid from the 19th century being practiced in modern day Israel is legitimate and should be defended, but events from the 1950s are not to be discussed?So which specific version of Zionism are you describing? Be specific, state who created it, who practices it etc because it's nothing like the versions of Zionism I'm aware of. Good luck, Mrs x The version of Zionism I see is The Zionist ideology based on colonialism, racism, force brutality and apartheid. The one that resulted in the fermentation of the likes Hamas (as I stated above and typed it on again for you) What version of Zionism do you see?There was no version of that originally, where exactly are you getting these ideas? Mrsxx Getting these ideas?!? Seriously? By building up a picture from the news and various outlets and considering them objectively - that's been going on since 7 October attacks. I may be a thick refuse collector but jeez! Okay here's the link but seeing as you have the portance to scoff, ridicule deflect and rubbish posts then if you have to do that then ridicule and scoff me all you like but NOT this guy! I've the utmost respect for these haulocaust survivors! If you've a problem with what he says then be respectful FFS! https://truthout.org/video/interview-with-holocaust-survivor-and-antizionist-activist-dr-hajo-meyer-video/This is not news though. The film was touching was just a personal experience of one survivor. Whilst he said he was shown compassion by the SS guards I'm fairly positive many more would say they have a different experience. The film mentions nothing about Zionism though. He did, until he died in 2014 belong to the International Jewish Anti Zionist Network. This has been described as a 'small, fringe group' against Zionism and the State of Israel. So if you are taking what this group says as 'news' then it's the equivalent of taking quotes from the BNP as news. Sorry but his views and those of this group are not in the majority of Jews, far from it. News, real news is normally reported in non partisan outlets. This group is anything but that. The guy you referenced was also a Communist, which would be conflicting with a man of faith, just saying. So touching story but that's all it was, a story. Mrs x" You haven't read all of it have you . I may be a thick refuse collector but I know how people like netenyahu operate, the description of how the Zionists use people - even the lives of Jews to perpetuate their ideology. It something that lives in all humans , the savage ape that lives inside us all and I've seen it first hand - the blood lust and rage in combat, the blood the suffering of innocents which is fucking horrible. So you see Mrs X , you know nothing about me do you! Uou may think you know everything but you don't. So as far as I'm concerned that holocaust survivor got it bang on! Only confirms what I've said all along and I'm afraid your posts are all invalidated by him! And by the obvious and abundant evidence on the news I'm now done with conversing with you | |||
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"Correcting someone for telling a lie and then not wanting to engage further with them after they've been shown it yet continues to double down isn't getting my knickers in a twist .. As ex services/ blue light the issue of PTSD is something awful and not unknown and one has empathy for anyone suffering from that but it doesn't give anyone the excuse to get personal constantly when challenged in here.. " He lied or gave his interpretation of the truth? Anyway, we can remember to be kind as we never know what someone else is going through. This forum can be brutal at times. | |||
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"Correcting someone for telling a lie and then not wanting to engage further with them after they've been shown it yet continues to double down isn't getting my knickers in a twist .. As ex services/ blue light the issue of PTSD is something awful and not unknown and one has empathy for anyone suffering from that but it doesn't give anyone the excuse to get personal constantly when challenged in here.. He lied or gave his interpretation of the truth? Anyway, we can remember to be kind as we never know what someone else is going through. This forum can be brutal at times." It's not a word to use lightly I know, but yes.. Absolutely agree.. | |||
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Glad that's not an absolute, otherwise I'd have to ask why the Russian orthodox church survived."It obviously predated Communism but wasn't approved under Lenin or Stalin. Communism in Russia was secular. Religions we're persecuted. Quick quote from Wikipedia, 'Soviet law never officially outlawed the holding of religious views, and the various Soviet Constitutions always guaranteed the right to believe. However, since Marxist ideology as interpreted by Lenin and his successors regarded religion as an obstacle to the construction of a communist society, putting an end to all religions (and replacing them with atheism) became a fundamentally important ideological goal of the Soviet state. The official persecution of religion took place through many legal measures which were designed to hamper the performance of religious activities, through a large volume of anti-religious propaganda and education. In practice, the state also sought to control the activities of religious bodies and interfere in their internal affairs, with the ultimate goal of making them disappear.[21] To this effect, the state sought to control the activities of the leaders of different religious communities.' So it was almost impossible to be a religious man and a Communist at that time, something I was trying to point out before. Mrs x | |||
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Glad that's not an absolute, otherwise I'd have to ask why the Russian orthodox church survived.It obviously predated Communism but wasn't approved under Lenin or Stalin. Communism in Russia was secular.
Religions we're persecuted.
Quick quote from Wikipedia,
'Soviet law never officially outlawed the holding of religious views, and the various Soviet Constitutions always guaranteed the right to believe. However, since Marxist ideology as interpreted by Lenin and his successors regarded religion as an obstacle to the construction of a communist society, putting an end to all religions (and replacing them with atheism) became a fundamentally important ideological goal of the Soviet state. The official persecution of religion took place through many legal measures which were designed to hamper the performance of religious activities, through a large volume of anti-religious propaganda and education. In practice, the state also sought to control the activities of religious bodies and interfere in their internal affairs, with the ultimate goal of making them disappear.[21] To this effect, the state sought to control the activities of the leaders of different religious communities.'
So it was almost impossible to be a religious man and a Communist at that time, something I was trying to point out before.
Mrs x"As difficult as it was to be a Catholic when Henry viii divorced Catherine of Aragon, and when his first born became queen and returned the country to Catholicism and so on. Difficult but not impossible. | |||
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" ... The guy you referenced was also a Communist, which would be conflicting with a man of faith, just saying. Mrs x Taking out of context, ie just reading this paragraph, are you saying communists cannot also have a faith? Tell me you're not I am saying Communism is a secular political ideology normally, Mrs x
Glad that's not an absolute, otherwise I'd have to ask why the Russian orthodox church survived.It obviously predated Communism but wasn't approved under Lenin or Stalin. Communism in Russia was secular.
Religions we're persecuted.
Quick quote from Wikipedia,
'Soviet law never officially outlawed the holding of religious views, and the various Soviet Constitutions always guaranteed the right to believe. However, since Marxist ideology as interpreted by Lenin and his successors regarded religion as an obstacle to the construction of a communist society, putting an end to all religions (and replacing them with atheism) became a fundamentally important ideological goal of the Soviet state. The official persecution of religion took place through many legal measures which were designed to hamper the performance of religious activities, through a large volume of anti-religious propaganda and education. In practice, the state also sought to control the activities of religious bodies and interfere in their internal affairs, with the ultimate goal of making them disappear.[21] To this effect, the state sought to control the activities of the leaders of different religious communities.'
So it was almost impossible to be a religious man and a Communist at that time, something I was trying to point out before.
Mrs x
As difficult as it was to be a Catholic when Henry viii divorced Catherine of Aragon, and when his first born became queen and returned the country to Catholicism and so on.
Difficult but not impossible."I never said it was impossible but if you were a true Communist and not a citizen of a Communist state, I think you'd probably be an atheist as you'd be committed to the cause. This is as opposed to those living in a Communist state where atheism was thrust upon you. Mrs x | |||
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"So glad that the Atlantic have basically called the bluff of the trump administration by release all the messages in the group…. If they were claiming none of it was classified they had nothing to worry about!!! If this isn’t classified, then nothing is! Just for the fact of lying… Hegseth and waltz’s heads should roll…. White House press secretary is basically playing with semantics by saying they were not war plans… there were definitely strike attack plans! " After listening to Tulsi Gabbard who has testified that Signal is preinstalled on government provided mobile devices, the issue now becomes not about the information in the messages, but why Signal is installed on the devices and how the reporter was added to that group. I'm curious to know how the that happened. | |||
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