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"I’m hoping that Putin will accept the deal without any exceptions. It will certainly make Trump’s negotiation power look much stronger. A total end to the fighting would be preferable, but I can’t see Putin agreeing to that, I doubt anyone with any sense would trust him. " I don't know any politician you can trust. | |||
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"Trump has said this afternoon US team on way to Russia 'right now' to discuss Ukraine ceasefire plan. Zelenskiy says Ukraine does not recognise any Russian occupied territory Will Putin agree to the USA/UA proposal and what next if he doesn’t " There is zero chance he agrees to a ceasefire whilst Ukrainians holds any Russia territory…. He is going to say that he can’t give back the 4 Ukrainian regions he annexed as that would be against the Russian federation constitution! Basically he is going to string trump along and play for time…. | |||
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"Trump has said this afternoon US team on way to Russia 'right now' to discuss Ukraine ceasefire plan. Zelenskiy says Ukraine does not recognise any Russian occupied territory Will Putin agree to the USA/UA proposal and what next if he doesn’t There is zero chance he agrees to a ceasefire whilst Ukrainians holds any Russia territory…. He is going to say that he can’t give back the 4 Ukrainian regions he annexed as that would be against the Russian federation constitution! Basically he is going to string trump along and play for time…." Trump knows that, it's a game of saving face .. Far easier to say to Zelensky give up the areas that were annexed and accept that to save further loss of life but he also needs to not look weak.. That an aggressor is going to be rewarded by keeping territory it invaded sits badly but it's where we are.. The problem is it still doesn't deter Putin from doing the same with other neighbouring states in the future and kicking the can down the road of the west stopping Russia militarily.. Which at some point will be necessary.. | |||
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"I don't for one minute think anyone is going to tell Putin what he can or cannot have or do, least of all some lunatic powered crazed American president, there is only one thing that is going to attempt to stop him and that is world war 3 if it is not already upon us. We should have been over there long ago helping to kick his butt back into Russia. I very much hope I am proven wrong." Are you in Ukraine at the moment “kicking Russia’s butt”? Or is it something you expect other people to be doing while you sit on the sofa? | |||
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"If NATO push forward, Russia will push back against NATO." But surly Russia is at its weakest now so a push might do it. The problem now is the support from North Korea | |||
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"If NATO push forward, Russia will push back against NATO. But surly Russia is at its weakest now so a push might do it. The problem now is the support from North Korea " You seem to basing your assertion of the news we get here. I've noticed that since the war started, the media here seems to amplify any Ukraine news, often splashing it has a breakthrough. Remember how they were going to Kursk. Any Russians victories are passed on as non news or a small gain. I remember when the war began and the western military support for Ukraine began, and the sanctions were announced, how the concensus was Russia wouldn't be able to fight for more than 6 months. The stupidest thing one can do is underestimate the enemy. | |||
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"If NATO push forward, Russia will push back against NATO. But surly Russia is at its weakest now so a push might do it. The problem now is the support from North Korea You seem to basing your assertion of the news we get here. I've noticed that since the war started, the media here seems to amplify any Ukraine news, often splashing it has a breakthrough. Remember how they were going to Kursk. Any Russians victories are passed on as non news or a small gain. I remember when the war began and the western military support for Ukraine began, and the sanctions were announced, how the concensus was Russia wouldn't be able to fight for more than 6 months. The stupidest thing one can do is underestimate the enemy." Indeed so. Even the quality British press has been pushing the “Ukraine is winning” propaganda for the last few years. Meanwhile in the real world business confidence in the UK is lower than in Russia. Which probably gives some indication of how close to collapse the Russian economy is. | |||
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"If NATO push forward, Russia will push back against NATO. But surly Russia is at its weakest now so a push might do it. The problem now is the support from North Korea You seem to basing your assertion of the news we get here. I've noticed that since the war started, the media here seems to amplify any Ukraine news, often splashing it has a breakthrough. Remember how they were going to Kursk. Any Russians victories are passed on as non news or a small gain. I remember when the war began and the western military support for Ukraine began, and the sanctions were announced, how the concensus was Russia wouldn't be able to fight for more than 6 months. The stupidest thing one can do is underestimate the enemy." And that the military resources if 28 nato states along with other allies have failed miserably to provide Ukraine with adequate and timely weapons supplies to give them the upper hand | |||
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"If NATO push forward, Russia will push back against NATO. But surly Russia is at its weakest now so a push might do it. The problem now is the support from North Korea You seem to basing your assertion of the news we get here. I've noticed that since the war started, the media here seems to amplify any Ukraine news, often splashing it has a breakthrough. Remember how they were going to Kursk. Any Russians victories are passed on as non news or a small gain. I remember when the war began and the western military support for Ukraine began, and the sanctions were announced, how the concensus was Russia wouldn't be able to fight for more than 6 months. The stupidest thing one can do is underestimate the enemy. And that the military resources if 28 nato states along with other allies have failed miserably to provide Ukraine with adequate and timely weapons supplies to give them the upper hand " The cynic in me says it was never about giving Ukraine the upper hand or even the possibility of a very unlikely win, given the nuclear escalation risk. It was about using Ukraine as proxy to get Russia embroiled in a bloody and expensive war. At the same time getting paid of old weapon stock that would otherwise be worthless. | |||
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"If NATO push forward, Russia will push back against NATO. But surly Russia is at its weakest now so a push might do it. The problem now is the support from North Korea You seem to basing your assertion of the news we get here. I've noticed that since the war started, the media here seems to amplify any Ukraine news, often splashing it has a breakthrough. Remember how they were going to Kursk. Any Russians victories are passed on as non news or a small gain. I remember when the war began and the western military support for Ukraine began, and the sanctions were announced, how the concensus was Russia wouldn't be able to fight for more than 6 months. The stupidest thing one can do is underestimate the enemy. And that the military resources if 28 nato states along with other allies have failed miserably to provide Ukraine with adequate and timely weapons supplies to give them the upper hand The cynic in me says it was never about giving Ukraine the upper hand or even the possibility of a very unlikely win, given the nuclear escalation risk. It was about using Ukraine as proxy to get Russia embroiled in a bloody and expensive war. At the same time getting paid of old weapon stock that would otherwise be worthless. "
The rhetoric wasn't matched to their behaviour, which shouted that it was about minimal effort and investment that was valuable, that would only support Ukraine to feebly get by | |||
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"The latest appears to be Putin may agree to a ceasefire conditional that could include the demilitarisation of Ukraine, an end to western military aid, and a commitment to keeping Kyiv out of Nato. Russia may also push for a ban on foreign troop deployments in Ukraine and international recognition of Putin’s claims to Crimea and the four Ukrainian regions Russia annexed in 2022. Putin could also revisit some of his broader demands from 2021, which go beyond Ukraine, including a call for Nato to halt the deployment of weapons in member states that joined after 1997, when the alliance began expanding into former communist countries. Can’t see Ukraine nor Europe agreeing to this, but USA may well do…. " It's almost like Putin may as well demand everything that he wants from a final settlement now  . Trump potentially is so weak and wants it ending, that he might give in to everything that he demands.
Putin might have been better getting out of the way first, to validate his true motivation and interest levels | |||
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"Nobody has mentioned the Ukrainian hasty withdrawal from Kursk with loss of equipment and heavy casualties , just two days ago. They were about to be encircled, so local unit commanders decided withdrawal was the best option. I haven't heard this mentioned in MSM. " BBC have been reporting on the situation in Kursk though often mixed in with other stories on Ukraine | |||
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"Nobody has mentioned the Ukrainian hasty withdrawal from Kursk with loss of equipment and heavy casualties , just two days ago. They were about to be encircled, so local unit commanders decided withdrawal was the best option. I haven't heard this mentioned in MSM. " So, Ukraine enters the poorly defended Kursk region to acheive three things. Firstly to embarrass Putin and force him to redirect troops to away from the south west to take back the territory. Secondly to shorten the distance between the Ukrainian army and the key Russian munitions storage areas so they could be hit by drone strikes. Thirdly to weaken the Russian defence of Crimea in preparation for an all out attack to take back the peninsular. It is now the right moment for a strategic withdrawal. Others will say the Glorious Victorious Russian Army has ejected the disgusting Invaders and returned the Russian motherland to its former glory!! Ce la guerre! | |||
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"Going well for Ukraine isn't it.. Trump as a negotiator has been well and truly played by Putin, didn't help that he showed weakness before they even talked.. But hey, they get to watch ice hockey.. "I’m not sure we should expect immediate success. Trump is not really negotiating with Putin, they are discussing what has been proposed by their teams, this is the time the US get to understand Putin's thoughts beyond that of his negotiators. That will allow for the negotiations to become more meaningful going forward. However, it would be crazy to think Putin will stop and agree to anything without obtaining the most favourable outcome, because who is going to stop him? It will come to an end, but not in Ukraine's favour. The take away for me is nobody was talking of a ceasefire and bringing this war to an end until Trump arrived. The message was keep going, we will support you from over here but we wont get too involved because... | |||
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"Trumps threat of 25%~50% oil tariffs. Will it make any impact on Russia " Not sure, they'll probably cut their quota to avoid it and sell more to India or wherever.. | |||
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"and two weeks later still fuck all has happened. this was meant to be in the bag by 21st January ... we can safely chalk this up as yet another in a long line of abysmal failures for trump" Cut trump some slack a minute, he’s tried for a peace settlement. Putin is disingenuous for a settlement which is a poke in the eye for Trump. Trump could yet swing back to further support for Ukraine. | |||
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"and two weeks later still fuck all has happened. this was meant to be in the bag by 21st January ... we can safely chalk this up as yet another in a long line of abysmal failures for trump Cut trump some slack a minute, he’s tried for a peace settlement. Putin is disingenuous for a settlement which is a poke in the eye for Trump. Trump could yet swing back to further support for Ukraine. " Exactly
The Putin conundrum: End hostilities and take what I have gained, or fight on to take more but risk renewed support from US.
Diplomacy and negotiation isn't a shake of the hand at this level.....
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" Cut trump some slack a minute, he’s tried for a peace settlement. Putin is disingenuous for a settlement which is a poke in the eye for Trump. Trump could yet swing back to further support for Ukraine. " he's failed ... again. and to top it all he's just trying for a mineral deal with vlad instead .... useless | |||
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"and two weeks later still fuck all has happened. this was meant to be in the bag by 21st January ... we can safely chalk this up as yet another in a long line of abysmal failures for trump Cut trump some slack a minute, he’s tried for a peace settlement. Putin is disingenuous for a settlement which is a poke in the eye for Trump. Trump could yet swing back to further support for Ukraine. " Let's not cut Trump any slack. He wants a deal out of Ukraine for mining minerals etc. He and Russia will pillage it just like what happened in East Germany after WW2. Trump isn't interested in peace. Only what he can get for himself and his supporters. | |||
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"Aye, so just to recap .... today the kremilin anounces that trumps peace plan is unacceptable. Fail!!" He’s tried. Now Putin is reported to be arranging 160,000 more conscripts. Bring on more military support for Ukraine and more sanctions on Russia. Where’s the European army to defend Ukraine that’s gone v quiet too. | |||
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"Putin is playing a very good game, whether you side with him or not it can’t be denied the pressure he has applied right now is extraordinary. " He has certainly measured Europe well. | |||
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"Putin is playing a very good game, whether you side with him or not it can’t be denied the pressure he has applied right now is extraordinary. He has certainly measured Europe well. " Not the first time and probably not the last. | |||
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