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"Should this have any effect on sentencing? Wtf is going on in this country?" Stupid idea. Well intentioned, but stupid. | |||
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"Should this have any effect on sentencing? Wtf is going on in this country?" Tyrants being controlled by the anarcho civil servants.   | |||
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"The reason these pre sentencing reports exist is to try and combat the fact that ethnic minorities tend to get harsher sentences for the same crimes than white people. You can google the evidence for this. " Does the evidence show why they get (on average) longer sentences? Are there more repeat offenders, more serious offenders, etc in some demographics? The presumption that different outcomes for different ethnic backgrounds can only be due to racism is critical race ideology, a far left belief that appears to be widely promoted in our public services. | |||
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"So we do have a two tier Justice system after all. "Nice of you to admit it… as statistics show that black people get harsher sentences for the same crime as a white person does! Anyway the proposal… this is going to surprise you, I think it was well intended but I don’t like it either… Some of the points in the report I don’t actually mind stating in pre sentencing reports .. if the person is pregnant, if they have mental health issues, ect… The two things I don’t want in are race and religion…..but everything else I can live with | |||
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"So we do have a two tier Justice system after all.
Nice of you to admit it… as statistics show that black people get harsher sentences for the same crime as a white person does!
Anyway the proposal… this is going to surprise you, I think it was well intended but I don’t like it either…
"See my above post. The 'same crime' does not mean identical circumstances or offender profile. There is a wide range of reasons why (on average and for some, not all offences) black criminals get longer sentences. One for example is that they're more likely to plead nor guilty but there are others. What is not available is any solid evidence that the disparity is due to racism. | |||
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"So we do have a two tier Justice system after all.
Nice of you to admit it… as statistics show that black people get harsher sentences for the same crime as a white person does!
Anyway the proposal… this is going to surprise you, I think it was well intended but I don’t like it either…
See my above post.
The 'same crime' does not mean identical circumstances or offender profile. There is a wide range of reasons why (on average and for some, not all offences) black criminals get longer sentences. One for example is that they're more likely to plead nor guilty but there are others.
What is not available is any solid evidence that the disparity is due to racism."There is…in the home offices own statistics, which is why the sentencing commission made the recommendation in the first place! I can see why it’s in there, it’s well intended , I don’t like it… but if you are not even going to a) acknowledge there is an issue… and b) say that the issue is the other way around is kinda warped ! | |||
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"So we do have a two tier Justice system after all.
Nice of you to admit it… as statistics show that black people get harsher sentences for the same crime as a white person does!
Anyway the proposal… this is going to surprise you, I think it was well intended but I don’t like it either…
Some of the points in the report I don’t actually mind stating in pre sentencing reports .. if the person is pregnant, if they have mental health issues, ect…
The two things I don’t want in are race and religion…..but everything else I can live with "If the person is pregnant... Politically correctness gone too far. If the woman is pregnant  | |||
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"The reason these pre sentencing reports exist is to try and combat the fact that ethnic minorities tend to get harsher sentences for the same crimes than white people. You can google the evidence for this. People don't want to look and understand the details though, they just want to be able to yell "this is bad!". I'm sure I'll get replies to this post doing exactly that. " my dad was a probation officer & used to do social enquiry reports which were submitted to the court. I am not sure if this still happens or not? | |||
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"So we do have a two tier Justice system after all.
Nice of you to admit it… as statistics show that black people get harsher sentences for the same crime as a white person does!
Anyway the proposal… this is going to surprise you, I think it was well intended but I don’t like it either…
See my above post.
The 'same crime' does not mean identical circumstances or offender profile. There is a wide range of reasons why (on average and for some, not all offences) black criminals get longer sentences. One for example is that they're more likely to plead nor guilty but there are others.
What is not available is any solid evidence that the disparity is due to racism.
There is…in the home offices own statistics, which is why the sentencing commission made the recommendation in the first place!
I can see why it’s in there, it’s well intended , I don’t like it…
but if you are not even going to a) acknowledge there is an issue… and b) say that the issue is the other way around is kinda warped !
"No, that's false. The statistics show different sentencing outcomes but not the reasons. The presumption it is racism is pure CRT, a Marxist ideology that should have no place in our justice system. | |||
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"The worrying thing here is the guidelines changing without the due diligence and authorisation I would expect for such a significant change. I also understand the guidelines were on recommendations found in the 2017 Lammy Review, conducted by David Lammy. " The guy who thought black Papal smoke was racist.🤦♂️🤦♂️ | |||
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"The worrying thing here is the guidelines changing without the due diligence and authorisation I would expect for such a significant change. I also understand the guidelines were on recommendations found in the 2017 Lammy Review, conducted by David Lammy. " Fact check on the Lammy review here https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-do-black-criminals-get-harsher-sentences-for-the-same-crime | |||
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"So we do have a two tier Justice system after all.
Nice of you to admit it… as statistics show that black people get harsher sentences for the same crime as a white person does!
Anyway the proposal… this is going to surprise you, I think it was well intended but I don’t like it either…
See my above post.
The 'same crime' does not mean identical circumstances or offender profile. There is a wide range of reasons why (on average and for some, not all offences) black criminals get longer sentences. One for example is that they're more likely to plead nor guilty but there are others.
What is not available is any solid evidence that the disparity is due to racism.
There is…in the home offices own statistics, which is why the sentencing commission made the recommendation in the first place!
I can see why it’s in there, it’s well intended , I don’t like it…
but if you are not even going to a) acknowledge there is an issue… and b) say that the issue is the other way around is kinda warped !
No, that's false. The statistics show different sentencing outcomes but not the reasons. The presumption it is racism is pure CRT, a Marxist ideology that should have no place in our justice system."I love it when people throw around the term CRT, when CRT is actually only taught a university degree level or higher… it’s become the catch all term for “it’s a bit uncomfortable for me to hear… so I’ll just close my eyes and stick my fingers in my ears!” So here are some really plain truths for you…. For the same offences, black people are : A) charged more often than white counterparts B) punished harder than white counterparts Now… throw whatever shit at a wall to make yourself feel better, use whatever you want to make yourself the victim of this “two tier justice system “ , pretend there is no issue at all…. | |||
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"So we do have a two tier Justice system after all.
Nice of you to admit it… as statistics show that black people get harsher sentences for the same crime as a white person does!
Anyway the proposal… this is going to surprise you, I think it was well intended but I don’t like it either…
See my above post.
The 'same crime' does not mean identical circumstances or offender profile. There is a wide range of reasons why (on average and for some, not all offences) black criminals get longer sentences. One for example is that they're more likely to plead nor guilty but there are others.
What is not available is any solid evidence that the disparity is due to racism.
There is…in the home offices own statistics, which is why the sentencing commission made the recommendation in the first place!
I can see why it’s in there, it’s well intended , I don’t like it…
but if you are not even going to a) acknowledge there is an issue… and b) say that the issue is the other way around is kinda warped !
No, that's false. The statistics show different sentencing outcomes but not the reasons. The presumption it is racism is pure CRT, a Marxist ideology that should have no place in our justice system.
I love it when people throw around the term CRT, when CRT is actually only taught a university degree level or higher… it’s become the catch all term for “it’s a bit uncomfortable for me to hear… so I’ll just close my eyes and stick my fingers in my ears!”
So here are some really plain truths for you….
For the same offences, black people are :
A) charged more often than white counterparts
B) punished harder than white counterparts
Now… throw whatever shit at a wall to make yourself feel better, use whatever you want to make yourself the victim of this “two tier justice system “ , pretend there is no issue at all…."Educate yourself Fabio 
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-do-black-criminals-get-harsher-sentences-for-the-same-crime | |||
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"So we do have a two tier Justice system after all.
Nice of you to admit it… as statistics show that black people get harsher sentences for the same crime as a white person does!
Anyway the proposal… this is going to surprise you, I think it was well intended but I don’t like it either…
See my above post.
The 'same crime' does not mean identical circumstances or offender profile. There is a wide range of reasons why (on average and for some, not all offences) black criminals get longer sentences. One for example is that they're more likely to plead nor guilty but there are others.
What is not available is any solid evidence that the disparity is due to racism.
There is…in the home offices own statistics, which is why the sentencing commission made the recommendation in the first place!
I can see why it’s in there, it’s well intended , I don’t like it…
but if you are not even going to a) acknowledge there is an issue… and b) say that the issue is the other way around is kinda warped !
No, that's false. The statistics show different sentencing outcomes but not the reasons. The presumption it is racism is pure CRT, a Marxist ideology that should have no place in our justice system.
I love it when people throw around the term CRT, when CRT is actually only taught a university degree level or higher… it’s become the catch all term for “it’s a bit uncomfortable for me to hear… so I’ll just close my eyes and stick my fingers in my ears!”
So here are some really plain truths for you….
For the same offences, black people are :
A) charged more often than white counterparts
B) punished harder than white counterparts
Now… throw whatever shit at a wall to make yourself feel better, use whatever you want to make yourself the victim of this “two tier justice system “ , pretend there is no issue at all….
Educate yourself Fabio
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-do-black-criminals-get-harsher-sentences-for-the-same-crime"Don't try taking somebody's victim card from them, it's crucial to their identity | |||
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"Unfortunately the state apparatus in the UK just hates the majority of people in the country. The blob has never forgiven us for Brexit, and the masses are now the enemy. Effectively we’ve become like some sort of colony run by an occupying force, where the government is effectively run to benefit a tiny minority of people and the majority just exist to hand over their money, keep their mouths shut and do what they are told." At last the Brexiteers (who are actually the minority and always were with only 17% of the vote) know their place. | |||
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"At last the Brexiteers (who are actually the minority and always were with only 17% of the vote) know their place." Brexit got 51.89% of the vote, which is why we left. If you're going to do the traditional sore losers thing of trying to diminish the numbers by counting all the non-voters as against, then Brexit got 17,410,742 votes out of an electorate of 46,500,001, or 37.44%. I've no idea where you got 17% from, but the obviously incorrect number doesn't add to whatever point you thought you were making. | |||
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"Should this have any effect on sentencing? Wtf is going on in this country?" If there is genuine discrimination for like for like crimes and like for like offenders records and conduct then the answer is to stop such discrimination, not to just discriminate others | |||
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"Should this have any effect on sentencing? Wtf is going on in this country? If there is genuine discrimination for like for like crimes and like for like offenders records and conduct then the answer is to stop such discrimination, not to just discriminate others" That is it in a nutshell. 👏 | |||
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"Should this have any effect on sentencing? Wtf is going on in this country? If there is genuine discrimination for like for like crimes and like for like offenders records and conduct then the answer is to stop such discrimination, not to just discriminate others" …. In a perfect world But until then I just have to put with the fact I am more likely to be stopped and searched, more likely to be charged, and more likely to be sentenced to jail time…. And people just shrug | |||
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"Should this have any effect on sentencing? Wtf is going on in this country? If there is genuine discrimination for like for like crimes and like for like offenders records and conduct then the answer is to stop such discrimination, not to just discriminate others …. In a perfect world But until then I just have to put with the fact I am more likely to be stopped and searched, more likely to be charged, and more likely to be sentenced to jail time…. And people just shrug " That's why as I said genuine discrimination has to stop, then no one is more likely than another to be stopped and searched etc. Just pushing such discrimination onto another set of people doesn't make the problem go away | |||
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"The worrying thing here is the guidelines changing without the due diligence and authorisation I would expect for such a significant change. I also understand the guidelines were on recommendations found in the 2017 Lammy Review, conducted by David Lammy. The guy who thought black Papal smoke was racist.🤦♂️🤦♂️" 
And grey smoke must be alienist | |||
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"Should this have any effect on sentencing? Wtf is going on in this country? If there is genuine discrimination for like for like crimes and like for like offenders records and conduct then the answer is to stop such discrimination, not to just discriminate others …. In a perfect world But until then I just have to put with the fact I am more likely to be stopped and searched, more likely to be charged, and more likely to be sentenced to jail time…. And people just shrug " As you refuse to read the evidence I will point out that black people are actually less likely to be charged for comparable offences than white people. As for stop and search this will vary depending on crime and location. If a disproportionate level of knife crime is carried out by young black men as is the case in London, then unfortunately they will get stopped more. As well as eliminating discrimination we need to eliminate crime, not least as it disproportionately affects minority communities. | |||
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