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"Just seen the footage of Trump and his lackey giving Zelensky a right kicking. Given that they are both Presidents, it was like Trump berating a intern. I'm actually quite shocked, not that Trump is capable of behaving like that, but the fact he did. Looks to me he's trying to bully Zelensky into handing over mineral rights in exchange for a reduction in American involvement." Trump wants the wealth for the US one mine in Ukraine has posably 14.4 million ounces of GOLD retail gold is at £2260 ish so there is lots up for grabs for the bullies. | |||
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"Zelensky is principled and I'm glad he's not sold his people too short! Trump is an ignorant bully. Here's hoping they won't get punished too much by him now "Putin and North Korea will throw lives on to the fire as Trump put it Ukraine is running out of fighting people 🙄 | |||
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"Zalensky is a money laundering dwarf.. trump wasn’t taking crap from the little dictator " Hello Mr Mosley2 xx | |||
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"Zalensky is a money laundering dwarf.. trump wasn’t taking crap from the little dictator " And you view Trump as holier than Christ, or something? In an alternative reality, I suppose anything is possible | |||
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"Zalensky is a money laundering dwarf.. trump wasn’t taking crap from the little dictator " Pravda there? That was 2 big boys trying to act tough by bullying 1 of the other kids | |||
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"Zalensky is a money laundering dwarf.. trump wasn’t taking crap from the little dictator " Da..  | |||
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"Trump is a realist. He knows Ukraine has lost and there is no way forward other than securing the best deal possible. Otherwise the killing will carry on and the situation will just get worse for Ukraine. Zelensky needs to step aside and let someone take over who can work with Trump to secure the peace." Apart from the last bit I think many will agree with that but the last bit is what plays straight into Putin's hands.. | |||
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"Trump is a realist. He knows Ukraine has lost and there is no way forward other than securing the best deal possible. Otherwise the killing will carry on and the situation will just get worse for Ukraine. Zelensky needs to step aside and let someone take over who can work with Trump to secure the peace." Ukraine has lost …..because its so called allies are so inadequate in providing the weaponry and aircraft. USA now cashing in on the failure. | |||
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"Trump is a realist. He knows Ukraine has lost and there is no way forward other than securing the best deal possible. Otherwise the killing will carry on and the situation will just get worse for Ukraine. Zelensky needs to step aside and let someone take over who can work with Trump to secure the peace. Apart from the last bit I think many will agree with that but the last bit is what plays straight into Putin's hands.. " It’s not really clear what it is that the European Left actually wants. They seem to want to carry on pouring billions into Ukraine to support the “war effort”. But the US and Europe have been doing that for years and Ukraine is losing. Pouring more money in won’t make any difference. Unless Europe is willing to commit troops on the ground (which it won’t) nothing will change. All that will happen is it will just get worse for Ukraine. | |||
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" USA now cashing in on the failure. " i'm not sure that coming out of the so called 'deal' with fuck all can be seen as USA cashing in tbf | |||
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"Trump is a realist. He knows Ukraine has lost and there is no way forward other than securing the best deal possible. Otherwise the killing will carry on and the situation will just get worse for Ukraine. Zelensky needs to step aside and let someone take over who can work with Trump to secure the peace. Apart from the last bit I think many will agree with that but the last bit is what plays straight into Putin's hands.. It’s not really clear what it is that the European Left actually wants. They seem to want to carry on pouring billions into Ukraine to support the “war effort”. But the US and Europe have been doing that for years and Ukraine is losing. Pouring more money in won’t make any difference. Unless Europe is willing to commit troops on the ground (which it won’t) nothing will change. All that will happen is it will just get worse for Ukraine. " Try and not see everything as left or right, that's the way people like Putin want you to think and thrives on the division.. It won't only get worse for Ukraine with an emboldened dictator like Putin who will exploit trump's perceived focus on only American corporate profits.. And if it goes that way it bodes ill for the free countries in that area.. | |||
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"Trump is a realist. He knows Ukraine has lost and there is no way forward other than securing the best deal possible. Otherwise the killing will carry on and the situation will just get worse for Ukraine. Zelensky needs to step aside and let someone take over who can work with Trump to secure the peace. Apart from the last bit I think many will agree with that but the last bit is what plays straight into Putin's hands.. It’s not really clear what it is that the European Left actually wants. They seem to want to carry on pouring billions into Ukraine to support the “war effort”. But the US and Europe have been doing that for years and Ukraine is losing. Pouring more money in won’t make any difference. Unless Europe is willing to commit troops on the ground (which it won’t) nothing will change. All that will happen is it will just get worse for Ukraine. Try and not see everything as left or right, that's the way people like Putin want you to think and thrives on the division.. It won't only get worse for Ukraine with an emboldened dictator like Putin who will exploit trump's perceived focus on only American corporate profits.. And if it goes that way it bodes ill for the free countries in that area.." That sounds pretty high minded. So what’s the way forward? | |||
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"I wonder how Starmer will play it? Will he side with all the pathetic wretches who think this is as much Zelenskyy's fault as Putin's? Or will he dare to call Trump and Vance out for the scum they are? Only kidding. The State visit will go ahead. The King signed the invitation." Yes it will And I wonder if trump will take the opportunity to visit Lego land Windsor As he needs a few bricks to build his theme park in Gaza | |||
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"I'm afraid all this does is further cement in to people's minds that the current US Administration wishes to strong-arm other countries for whatever it can get out of it. This was not a meeting between friendly allies. It was a "I'm the big boy in the room (USA), so you sign over everything to me and you can thank me for it afterwards. Do as I say." . Where was the humility ? The kindness ? The empathy ? There was none. Zero. Nada. It was once berating statement after another. . I think the EU leaders should get their heads together and say to Mr Z "Forget America. We will help you. And we don't even want your resources either. Perhaps a shot at some mutually agreeable trade deals in the future to help both of us, but for now...you keep what little you have left." Europe should do that. I’m sure the US would be quite happy with that outcome. I think I’ve just seen a flying pig. | |||
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"I wonder how Starmer will play it? Will he side with all the pathetic wretches who think this is as much Zelenskyy's fault as Putin's? Or will he dare to call Trump and Vance out for the scum they are? Only kidding. The State visit will go ahead. The King signed the invitation." Starmer is hosting a European conference with Zelenskyy and other European leaders in London on Sunday If the uk, France and Germany can come to an agreement.. they will be able to do something pan European (without Hungary) And that state visit… I bet it never happens… Trump is going to be aware of optics and having hundreds of thousands protesting on streets whilst here is not a good look | |||
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" And that state visit… I bet it never happens… Trump is going to be aware of optics and having hundreds of thousands protesting on streets whilst here is not a good look " confused old bloke won't give a toss about protesters ... he be lapping up the optic of him and being tight with their public bromance | |||
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"I wonder how Starmer will play it? Will he side with all the pathetic wretches who think this is as much Zelenskyy's fault as Putin's? Or will he dare to call Trump and Vance out for the scum they are? Only kidding. The State visit will go ahead. The King signed the invitation. Starmer is hosting a European conference with Zelenskyy and other European leaders in London on Sunday If the uk, France and Germany can come to an agreement.. they will be able to do something pan European (without Hungary) And that state visit… I bet it never happens… Trump is going to be aware of optics and having hundreds of thousands protesting on streets whilst here is not a good look " “Hundreds of thousands protesting on the streets” lol. There was a time when the British Left would be protesting against war. Now (apparently) they are all desperate to get to the Eastern Front. | |||
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"I'm afraid all this does is further cement in to people's minds that the current US Administration wishes to strong-arm other countries for whatever it can get out of it. This was not a meeting between friendly allies. It was a "I'm the big boy in the room (USA), so you sign over everything to me and you can thank me for it afterwards. Do as I say." . Where was the humility ? The kindness ? The empathy ? There was none. Zero. Nada. It was once berating statement after another. . I think the EU leaders should get their heads together and say to Mr Z "Forget America. We will help you. And we don't even want your resources either. Perhaps a shot at some mutually agreeable trade deals in the future to help both of us, but for now...you keep what little you have left." We all know Trump is easily triggered into a rage and is notoriously thin skinned. Zelenskyy made a serious error blaming Trump for inaction over Crimea between 2016 and 2020. That set Trump off. Let's hope for all our sakes tempers calm down, Zelenskyy eats humble pie and signs Trump's minerals deal. He has little choice in reality. | |||
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"Trump is a realist. He knows Ukraine has lost and there is no way forward other than securing the best deal possible. Otherwise the killing will carry on and the situation will just get worse for Ukraine. Zelensky needs to step aside and let someone take over who can work with Trump to secure the peace. Apart from the last bit I think many will agree with that but the last bit is what plays straight into Putin's hands.. It’s not really clear what it is that the European Left actually wants. They seem to want to carry on pouring billions into Ukraine to support the “war effort”. But the US and Europe have been doing that for years and Ukraine is losing. Pouring more money in won’t make any difference. Unless Europe is willing to commit troops on the ground (which it won’t) nothing will change. All that will happen is it will just get worse for Ukraine. Try and not see everything as left or right, that's the way people like Putin want you to think and thrives on the division.. It won't only get worse for Ukraine with an emboldened dictator like Putin who will exploit trump's perceived focus on only American corporate profits.. And if it goes that way it bodes ill for the free countries in that area.. That sounds pretty high minded. So what’s the way forward?" Somebody (and therein lies the issue) has to try and get trump to see the bigger picture of how this might act out which if it goes badly during his tenure isn't the type of legacy any US president wants to be responsible and remembered for.. That today was not a good look for the office he holds.. | |||
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"Trump is a realist. He knows Ukraine has lost and there is no way forward other than securing the best deal possible. Otherwise the killing will carry on and the situation will just get worse for Ukraine. Zelensky needs to step aside and let someone take over who can work with Trump to secure the peace. Apart from the last bit I think many will agree with that but the last bit is what plays straight into Putin's hands.. It’s not really clear what it is that the European Left actually wants. They seem to want to carry on pouring billions into Ukraine to support the “war effort”. But the US and Europe have been doing that for years and Ukraine is losing. Pouring more money in won’t make any difference. Unless Europe is willing to commit troops on the ground (which it won’t) nothing will change. All that will happen is it will just get worse for Ukraine. Try and not see everything as left or right, that's the way people like Putin want you to think and thrives on the division.. It won't only get worse for Ukraine with an emboldened dictator like Putin who will exploit trump's perceived focus on only American corporate profits.. And if it goes that way it bodes ill for the free countries in that area.. That sounds pretty high minded. So what’s the way forward? Somebody (and therein lies the issue) has to try and get trump to see the bigger picture of how this might act out which if it goes badly during his tenure isn't the type of legacy any US president wants to be responsible and remembered for.. That today was not a good look for the office he holds.. " Okay I’ll go with it. So someone persuades Trump to do what Europe wants. What’s next? | |||
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"Trump and Vance are business people who were voted in after promising to account for every American dollar. American taxpayers currently have given 350 billion to Ukraine that is 80 times more than Europe. Was I the only who heard Trump say once Europe go in for 50% I am ok with it? The first thing out of Zelenski's mouth should have been " where do I sign". " Trump now has a clear track record of employing people who simply aren’t qualified for the job they are now doing, With one exception - Stormy Daniels!! | |||
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"Trump is a realist. He knows Ukraine has lost and there is no way forward other than securing the best deal possible. Otherwise the killing will carry on and the situation will just get worse for Ukraine. Zelensky needs to step aside and let someone take over who can work with Trump to secure the peace. Apart from the last bit I think many will agree with that but the last bit is what plays straight into Putin's hands.. It’s not really clear what it is that the European Left actually wants. They seem to want to carry on pouring billions into Ukraine to support the “war effort”. But the US and Europe have been doing that for years and Ukraine is losing. Pouring more money in won’t make any difference. Unless Europe is willing to commit troops on the ground (which it won’t) nothing will change. All that will happen is it will just get worse for Ukraine. Try and not see everything as left or right, that's the way people like Putin want you to think and thrives on the division.. It won't only get worse for Ukraine with an emboldened dictator like Putin who will exploit trump's perceived focus on only American corporate profits.. And if it goes that way it bodes ill for the free countries in that area.. That sounds pretty high minded. So what’s the way forward? Somebody (and therein lies the issue) has to try and get trump to see the bigger picture of how this might act out which if it goes badly during his tenure isn't the type of legacy any US president wants to be responsible and remembered for.. That today was not a good look for the office he holds.. Okay I’ll go with it. So someone persuades Trump to do what Europe wants. What’s next?" Trump gets his rate earth, Ukraine gets it's security guarantees and Europe commits seriously to upping it's defence spending.. I don't think Europe alone persuades trump, it needs to be the those with vested interests in not having a global financial hit with the that a weak Ukraine and a strong Russia under the current leader.. | |||
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"Trump and Vance so badly informed ….the USA co signed with others inc UK, the 1994 Budapest memorandum. " It is ironic that Vance clumsily refered to Ukraine having to resort to conscription when they were ‘short of men’…. exactly what the USA did in WW1, WW2, Korea and Vietnam…. and they weren’t as perhaps as short as men as Ukraine is now!! Also note that Vance has no intention of going anywhere near a war zone in visiting Ukraine …. Something has in common with his boss… who has a history here!! | |||
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"Trump is a realist. He knows Ukraine has lost and there is no way forward other than securing the best deal possible. Otherwise the killing will carry on and the situation will just get worse for Ukraine. Zelensky needs to step aside and let someone take over who can work with Trump to secure the peace." You are wrong. Ukraine’s drone programme is expanding at a phenomenal rate and the Russian advances in the east have slowed right down. Drones might not win this war but they will certainly prevent Ukraine from losing it. | |||
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"Trump telling the Ukrainian president to "make a deal or we're out" It’s all on Europe now. Will they step up " Step up and do what? | |||
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"He had "Bone Spurs" " I thought it was vertebrae deficiency??? | |||
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"Trump is a realist. He knows Ukraine has lost and there is no way forward other than securing the best deal possible. Otherwise the killing will carry on and the situation will just get worse for Ukraine. Zelensky needs to step aside and let someone take over who can work with Trump to secure the peace. You are wrong. Ukraine’s drone programme is expanding at a phenomenal rate and the Russian advances in the east have slowed right down. Drones might not win this war but they will certainly prevent Ukraine from losing it." Okay so let’s accept you are correct. Ukraine can’t win but it won’t lose. So they fight in until the last Ukrainian is dead or has fled abroad? | |||
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"Serious question. Realistically can you see Trump lasting the term? I'm not talking bumped off I mean pushed out, that said I saw a news report the other day talking to regular Americans and they seemed to love him. " The majority of Americans want a swift end to the war. They voted for Trump. Trump is doing what he said he would. | |||
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"The only ones badly informed are those outside the US. All the UK news channels ignored that Trump said " once Europe put in 50% I am ok ". Good on him for having the interest of the American taxpayer to the fore. That is a trait long gone in Europe. " He has a point, for too long many European countries haven't pulled their weight.. | |||
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"Trump telling the Ukrainian president to "make a deal or we're out" It’s all on Europe now. Will they step up Step up and do what?" If USA is out Europe will need to at least double its military commitment to replace USA | |||
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"The only ones badly informed are those outside the US. All the UK news channels ignored that Trump said " once Europe put in 50% I am ok ". Good on him for having the interest of the American taxpayer to the fore. That is a trait long gone in Europe. He has a point, for too long many European countries haven't pulled their weight.." I complete my agree …. He is the only reason Kier Stoma has upped defence spending …. but that 0.5% will not touch the sides of the hole that needs to be filled that has been created by ALL parties since the fall of the Berlin Wall. ‘We’ as in Europe, appeased and sleepwalked into major conflict in 1939 … and I’m afraid history is repeating itself! After whatever ‘peace’ ensues out of this, the calculation is that by spending 7% of GDP on ‘defence’, Russia will have regenerated in 4-5 years, AND will put into practice all they have learned in Ukraine - that is how Russian doctrine evolves! … look at Afghanistan and Chechnya. We have 4 years ….the clock is ticking! | |||
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"The only ones badly informed are those outside the US. All the UK news channels ignored that Trump said " once Europe put in 50% I am ok ". Good on him for having the interest of the American taxpayer to the fore. That is a trait long gone in Europe. He has a point, for too long many European countries haven't pulled their weight.. I complete my agree …. He is the only reason Kier Stoma has upped defence spending …. but that 0.5% will not touch the sides of the hole that needs to be filled that has been created by ALL parties since the fall of the Berlin Wall. ‘We’ as in Europe, appeased and sleepwalked into major conflict in 1939 … and I’m afraid history is repeating itself! After whatever ‘peace’ ensues out of this, the calculation is that by spending 7% of GDP on ‘defence’, Russia will have regenerated in 4-5 years, AND will put into practice all they have learned in Ukraine - that is how Russian doctrine evolves! … look at Afghanistan and Chechnya. We have 4 years ….the clock is ticking! "  | |||
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"Went really badly. I'm sure this goes on frequently in private but not Infront of the cameras ffs I think zelenski should have ignored the question and said we'll discuss this later or something like that. Zelenski may decide to sell himself out to save his country? I don't know. The history of Ukraine is a bad one, treated terribly by Russia through Soviet rule, Stalin, the Nazis and now this! Really badly let down by successive potus , pushed under the bus by NATO and Joe biden and now by trump - comprehensively badly let down and shows the USA can't be trusted " Europe apparently all full of support tonight Silence from Uk and Lammy on the UK’s 100 year commitment to Ukraine. USA is out. Ukraine’s future depends on Europe who won’t be going up against Russia. | |||
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"Went really badly. I'm sure this goes on frequently in private but not Infront of the cameras ffs I think zelenski should have ignored the question and said we'll discuss this later or something like that. Zelenski may decide to sell himself out to save his country? I don't know. The history of Ukraine is a bad one, treated terribly by Russia through Soviet rule, Stalin, the Nazis and now this! Really badly let down by successive potus , pushed under the bus by NATO and Joe biden and now by trump - comprehensively badly let down and shows the USA can't be trusted Europe apparently all full of support tonight Silence from Uk and Lammy on the UK’s 100 year commitment to Ukraine. USA is out. Ukraine’s future depends on Europe who won’t be going up against Russia. " Xi will be waiting in the sidelines and offering to negotiate a deal, whilst salivating at all the minerals within his reach….. and Zelensky then pays off the US with the proceeds | |||
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"Serious question. Realistically can you see Trump lasting the term? I'm not talking bumped off I mean pushed out, that said I saw a news report the other day talking to regular Americans and they seemed to love him. The majority of Americans want a swift end to the war. They voted for Trump. Trump is doing what he said he would. " Love him or hate him Trump does what he says he’s going to do! That’s a lot more than previous presidents and our spineless PM’s have ever done. Mr | |||
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"The only ones badly informed are those outside the US. All the UK news channels ignored that Trump said " once Europe put in 50% I am ok ". Good on him for having the interest of the American taxpayer to the fore. That is a trait long gone in Europe. He has a point, for too long many European countries haven't pulled their weight.." | |||
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"Trump telling the Ukrainian president to "make a deal or we're out" It’s all on Europe now. Will they step up " Not a chance  | |||
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"Serious question. Realistically can you see Trump lasting the term? I'm not talking bumped off I mean pushed out, that said I saw a news report the other day talking to regular Americans and they seemed to love him. The majority of Americans want a swift end to the war. They voted for Trump. Trump is doing what he said he would. Love him or hate him Trump does what he says he’s going to do! That’s a lot more than previous presidents and our spineless PM’s have ever done. Mr "I am saying this without a hint of humour, but I don't think he even knows what day it is. He can't remember what he says one day to the next. Americans won't love him when things start costing a lot more because of his obsession on tarrifs | |||
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"Trump is a realist. He knows Ukraine has lost and there is no way forward other than securing the best deal possible. Otherwise the killing will carry on and the situation will just get worse for Ukraine. Zelensky needs to step aside and let someone take over who can work with Trump to secure the peace." ____________________________________ Nobody can work with Trump. | |||
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I am saying this without a hint of humour, but I don't think he even knows what day it is. He can't remember what he says one day to the next. Americans won't love him when things start costing a lot more because of his obsession on tarrifs"Trump has just made America as week as he is. | |||
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"Serious question. Realistically can you see Trump lasting the term? I'm not talking bumped off I mean pushed out, that said I saw a news report the other day talking to regular Americans and they seemed to love him. The majority of Americans want a swift end to the war. They voted for Trump. Trump is doing what he said he would. Love him or hate him Trump does what he says he’s going to do! That’s a lot more than previous presidents and our spineless PM’s have ever done. Mr "_______________________________ Doing what you say you're going to do isn't necessarily a virtue, Hitler, Amin, Mugabe, Mussolini, Stalin, Pol Pot etc etc prove that. | |||
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"Serious question. Realistically can you see Trump lasting the term? I'm not talking bumped off I mean pushed out, that said I saw a news report the other day talking to regular Americans and they seemed to love him. The majority of Americans want a swift end to the war. They voted for Trump. Trump is doing what he said he would. Love him or hate him Trump does what he says he’s going to do! That’s a lot more than previous presidents and our spineless PM’s have ever done. Mr
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Doing what you say you're going to do isn't necessarily a virtue, Hitler, Amin, Mugabe, Mussolini, Stalin, Pol Pot etc etc prove that."Yes it’s much better if people say one thing and do another. Which is what Europe will do about Ukraine. | |||
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"Serious question. Realistically can you see Trump lasting the term? I'm not talking bumped off I mean pushed out, that said I saw a news report the other day talking to regular Americans and they seemed to love him. The majority of Americans want a swift end to the war. They voted for Trump. Trump is doing what he said he would. Love him or hate him Trump does what he says he’s going to do! That’s a lot more than previous presidents and our spineless PM’s have ever done. Mr
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Doing what you say you're going to do isn't necessarily a virtue, Hitler, Amin, Mugabe, Mussolini, Stalin, Pol Pot etc etc prove that.
Yes it’s much better if people say one thing and do another.
Which is what Europe will do about Ukraine.
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"Love him or hate him Trump does what he says he’s going to do!" only thing is, he hasn't done what he says he's going to do | |||
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"‘why don’t you wear a suit ‘ Z. Looking at the questioner’Maybe I wear something better’ " We have disagreed on a lot when it comes to politics ... We agree on this | |||
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"The only ones badly informed are those outside the US. All the UK news channels ignored that Trump said " once Europe put in 50% I am ok ". Good on him for having the interest of the American taxpayer to the fore. That is a trait long gone in Europe. " The influential German research group, the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, maintains a database on spending and aid commitments to Ukraine called the Ukraine Support Tracker (UST). It is the most cited database on the issue, and includes figures on military, financial, and humanitarian aid committed by countries around the world since diplomatic ties with Russia ended on January 24, 2022. According to the UST data, the US spent €118bn on aid to Ukraine as of 31 December 2024. This is broken down into €64 billion in military aid and €50 billion in financial and humanitarian allocations. A further €4bn has been committed but not yet allocated. During the same period, European nations and institutions (like the European Commission) had spent around €132bn. That is broken down as €70bn in financial and humanitarian aid and €62 billion in military aid. An additional €115bn has been committed but not yet allocated. | |||
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"The only ones badly informed are those outside the US. All the UK news channels ignored that Trump said " once Europe put in 50% I am ok ". Good on him for having the interest of the American taxpayer to the fore. That is a trait long gone in Europe. The influential German research group, the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, maintains a database on spending and aid commitments to Ukraine called the Ukraine Support Tracker (UST). It is the most cited database on the issue, and includes figures on military, financial, and humanitarian aid committed by countries around the world since diplomatic ties with Russia ended on January 24, 2022. According to the UST data, the US spent €118bn on aid to Ukraine as of 31 December 2024. This is broken down into €64 billion in military aid and €50 billion in financial and humanitarian allocations. A further €4bn has been committed but not yet allocated. During the same period, European nations and institutions (like the European Commission) had spent around €132bn. That is broken down as €70bn in financial and humanitarian aid and €62 billion in military aid. An additional €115bn has been committed but not yet allocated." It's genuinely shocking that swingers in the UK are better informed the President and Vice President of the United States | |||
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"The only ones badly informed are those outside the US. All the UK news channels ignored that Trump said " once Europe put in 50% I am ok ". Good on him for having the interest of the American taxpayer to the fore. That is a trait long gone in Europe. The influential German research group, the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, maintains a database on spending and aid commitments to Ukraine called the Ukraine Support Tracker (UST). It is the most cited database on the issue, and includes figures on military, financial, and humanitarian aid committed by countries around the world since diplomatic ties with Russia ended on January 24, 2022. According to the UST data, the US spent €118bn on aid to Ukraine as of 31 December 2024. This is broken down into €64 billion in military aid and €50 billion in financial and humanitarian allocations. A further €4bn has been committed but not yet allocated. During the same period, European nations and institutions (like the European Commission) had spent around €132bn. That is broken down as €70bn in financial and humanitarian aid and €62 billion in military aid. An additional €115bn has been committed but not yet allocated." Sounds like the Europeans just need to fill the €118 billion “black hole”. Should be a pretty easy task. Just need to stop talking about it and get on with it. | |||
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"The only ones badly informed are those outside the US. All the UK news channels ignored that Trump said " once Europe put in 50% I am ok ". Good on him for having the interest of the American taxpayer to the fore. That is a trait long gone in Europe. The influential German research group, the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, maintains a database on spending and aid commitments to Ukraine called the Ukraine Support Tracker (UST). It is the most cited database on the issue, and includes figures on military, financial, and humanitarian aid committed by countries around the world since diplomatic ties with Russia ended on January 24, 2022. According to the UST data, the US spent €118bn on aid to Ukraine as of 31 December 2024. This is broken down into €64 billion in military aid and €50 billion in financial and humanitarian allocations. A further €4bn has been committed but not yet allocated. During the same period, European nations and institutions (like the European Commission) had spent around €132bn. That is broken down as €70bn in financial and humanitarian aid and €62 billion in military aid. An additional €115bn has been committed but not yet allocated. Sounds like the Europeans just need to fill the €118 billion “black hole”. Should be a pretty easy task. Just need to stop talking about it and get on with it." I've said it before and I'll say it again, political will or the guts to get involved. The EU has a GDP of £20tn, Russia has £2tn. The EU has a population of 450m, Russia has 144m. The UK defence journal indicates that NATO without the US is more than capable of repelling russian forces... political will | |||
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"The only ones badly informed are those outside the US. All the UK news channels ignored that Trump said " once Europe put in 50% I am ok ". Good on him for having the interest of the American taxpayer to the fore. That is a trait long gone in Europe. The influential German research group, the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, maintains a database on spending and aid commitments to Ukraine called the Ukraine Support Tracker (UST). It is the most cited database on the issue, and includes figures on military, financial, and humanitarian aid committed by countries around the world since diplomatic ties with Russia ended on January 24, 2022. According to the UST data, the US spent €118bn on aid to Ukraine as of 31 December 2024. This is broken down into €64 billion in military aid and €50 billion in financial and humanitarian allocations. A further €4bn has been committed but not yet allocated. During the same period, European nations and institutions (like the European Commission) had spent around €132bn. That is broken down as €70bn in financial and humanitarian aid and €62 billion in military aid. An additional €115bn has been committed but not yet allocated. Sounds like the Europeans just need to fill the €118 billion “black hole”. Should be a pretty easy task. Just need to stop talking about it and get on with it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, political will or the guts to get involved. The EU has a GDP of £20tn, Russia has £2tn. The EU has a population of 450m, Russia has 144m. The UK defence journal indicates that NATO without the US is more than capable of repelling russian forces... political will" What does “get involved” mean? | |||
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"The only ones badly informed are those outside the US. All the UK news channels ignored that Trump said " once Europe put in 50% I am ok ". Good on him for having the interest of the American taxpayer to the fore. That is a trait long gone in Europe. The influential German research group, the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, maintains a database on spending and aid commitments to Ukraine called the Ukraine Support Tracker (UST). It is the most cited database on the issue, and includes figures on military, financial, and humanitarian aid committed by countries around the world since diplomatic ties with Russia ended on January 24, 2022. According to the UST data, the US spent €118bn on aid to Ukraine as of 31 December 2024. This is broken down into €64 billion in military aid and €50 billion in financial and humanitarian allocations. A further €4bn has been committed but not yet allocated. During the same period, European nations and institutions (like the European Commission) had spent around €132bn. That is broken down as €70bn in financial and humanitarian aid and €62 billion in military aid. An additional €115bn has been committed but not yet allocated. Sounds like the Europeans just need to fill the €118 billion “black hole”. Should be a pretty easy task. Just need to stop talking about it and get on with it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, political will or the guts to get involved. The EU has a GDP of £20tn, Russia has £2tn. The EU has a population of 450m, Russia has 144m. The UK defence journal indicates that NATO without the US is more than capable of repelling russian forces... political will What does “get involved” mean?" It means do what the west relies on the US to do | |||
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"The only ones badly informed are those outside the US. All the UK news channels ignored that Trump said " once Europe put in 50% I am ok ". Good on him for having the interest of the American taxpayer to the fore. That is a trait long gone in Europe. The influential German research group, the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, maintains a database on spending and aid commitments to Ukraine called the Ukraine Support Tracker (UST). It is the most cited database on the issue, and includes figures on military, financial, and humanitarian aid committed by countries around the world since diplomatic ties with Russia ended on January 24, 2022. According to the UST data, the US spent €118bn on aid to Ukraine as of 31 December 2024. This is broken down into €64 billion in military aid and €50 billion in financial and humanitarian allocations. A further €4bn has been committed but not yet allocated. During the same period, European nations and institutions (like the European Commission) had spent around €132bn. That is broken down as €70bn in financial and humanitarian aid and €62 billion in military aid. An additional €115bn has been committed but not yet allocated. Sounds like the Europeans just need to fill the €118 billion “black hole”. Should be a pretty easy task. Just need to stop talking about it and get on with it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, political will or the guts to get involved. The EU has a GDP of £20tn, Russia has £2tn. The EU has a population of 450m, Russia has 144m. The UK defence journal indicates that NATO without the US is more than capable of repelling russian forces... political will What does “get involved” mean? It means do what the west relies on the US to do" Spend lots of money to no end? Or are you wanting direct war with Russia? | |||
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"The only ones badly informed are those outside the US. All the UK news channels ignored that Trump said " once Europe put in 50% I am ok ". Good on him for having the interest of the American taxpayer to the fore. That is a trait long gone in Europe. The influential German research group, the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, maintains a database on spending and aid commitments to Ukraine called the Ukraine Support Tracker (UST). It is the most cited database on the issue, and includes figures on military, financial, and humanitarian aid committed by countries around the world since diplomatic ties with Russia ended on January 24, 2022. According to the UST data, the US spent €118bn on aid to Ukraine as of 31 December 2024. This is broken down into €64 billion in military aid and €50 billion in financial and humanitarian allocations. A further €4bn has been committed but not yet allocated. During the same period, European nations and institutions (like the European Commission) had spent around €132bn. That is broken down as €70bn in financial and humanitarian aid and €62 billion in military aid. An additional €115bn has been committed but not yet allocated. Sounds like the Europeans just need to fill the €118 billion “black hole”. Should be a pretty easy task. Just need to stop talking about it and get on with it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, political will or the guts to get involved. The EU has a GDP of £20tn, Russia has £2tn. The EU has a population of 450m, Russia has 144m. The UK defence journal indicates that NATO without the US is more than capable of repelling russian forces... political will What does “get involved” mean? It means do what the west relies on the US to do Spend lots of money to no end? Or are you wanting direct war with Russia?" Provide the security guarantees themselves. Why do you fear direct conflict with Russia? Is it it ok if it's some other country on the front line? | |||
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"‘why don’t you wear a suit ‘ Z. Looking at the questioner’Maybe I wear something better’ " It seems that the only person that can get away without wearing a suit in the white house is President Musk. | |||
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"Zalensky is a money laundering dwarf.. trump wasn’t taking crap from the little dictator " Well put! Zalensky is having a little melt down now that Joey has gone as has his money flow. | |||
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"‘why don’t you wear a suit ‘ Z. Looking at the questioner’Maybe I wear something better’ It seems that the only person that can get away without wearing a suit in the white house is President Musk. " Musk looks, acts and dresses like a child…if he wasn’t so rich he’d be laughed out of Washington. | |||
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"Trump and Vance are business people who were voted in after promising to account for every American dollar. American taxpayers currently have given 350 billion to Ukraine that is 80 times more than Europe. Was I the only who heard Trump say once Europe go in for 50% I am ok with it? The first thing out of Zelenski's mouth should have been " where do I sign". Trump now has a clear track record of employing people who simply aren’t qualified for the job they are now doing, With one exception - Stormy Daniels!! " Stormy Daniels…it would be rude not to!!!  | |||
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"I wonder how Starmer will play it? Will he side with all the pathetic wretches who think this is as much Zelenskyy's fault as Putin's? Or will he dare to call Trump and Vance out for the scum they are? Only kidding. The State visit will go ahead. The King signed the invitation. Starmer is hosting a European conference with Zelenskyy and other European leaders in London on Sunday If the uk, France and Germany can come to an agreement.. they will be able to do something pan European (without Hungary) And that state visit… I bet it never happens… Trump is going to be aware of optics and having hundreds of thousands protesting on streets whilst here is not a good look “Hundreds of thousands protesting on the streets” lol. There was a time when the British Left would be protesting against war. Now (apparently) they are all desperate to get to the Eastern Front." I know you are very simplistic but Can I let you into a secret…. When it comes down to Trump… it’s not a “left vs right thing”… for a lot of people it’s a “matter of decency thing” 
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"Trump and Vance are business people who were voted in after promising to account for every American dollar. American taxpayers currently have given 350 billion to Ukraine that is 80 times more than Europe. Was I the only who heard Trump say once Europe go in for 50% I am ok with it? The first thing out of Zelenski's mouth should have been " where do I sign". " Can I put you right … those figures… I know trump likes it exaggerate for domestic purposes , which is why macron and starmer both had to actually correct him in their public meetings The figure the us has given in loans and guarantees is not anywhere close to 350 billion dollars… it’s actually 119 billion dollars the UK and the EU…. Combined they have given 148 billion dollars in loans and guarantees | |||
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"Serious question. Realistically can you see Trump lasting the term? I'm not talking bumped off I mean pushed out, that said I saw a news report the other day talking to regular Americans and they seemed to love him. " It may seem like an age… but Trump has only been in office for 35 days!!
Like a lot of people here with starmer (who has only been in office 7 months) there will be a give him time element… one his policies start to bite, that’s when the turn will start
For example.. laying off of the federal workforce now sounds good.. when it starts affecting services, that’s when issues arise
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" Provide the security guarantees themselves. Why do you fear direct conflict with Russia? Is it it ok if it's some other country on the front line?" 5,380 nuclear warheads is good reason to fear a direct confrontation with Russia. Especially without the USA. Europe only has 515. UK with 225, France 290. We need the US 5,044 warheads for a nuclear umbrella. Unless your willing to gamble Russia won't use them or they don't work.. | |||
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"Trump and Vance are business people who were voted in after promising to account for every American dollar. American taxpayers currently have given 350 billion to Ukraine that is 80 times more than Europe. Was I the only who heard Trump say once Europe go in for 50% I am ok with it? The first thing out of Zelenski's mouth should have been " where do I sign". " That's simply not true. The US has given about $115 billion in aid with no further aid currently committed. This is split roughly 40% loans and 60% grants. Europe, including the UK, has given $135 billion in aid with a further $115 commited. This is split roughly 60% loans and 40% grants. | |||
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"The only ones badly informed are those outside the US. All the UK news channels ignored that Trump said " once Europe put in 50% I am ok ". Good on him for having the interest of the American taxpayer to the fore. That is a trait long gone in Europe. " Europe has already but in more than 50%. Europe has put in $135 billion compared to the US's $115 billion. that makes 54%. If you add what Europe has also committed to spend going forward (a further $114 billion) that makes Europe's contribution 62%. | |||
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"Serious question. Realistically can you see Trump lasting the term? I'm not talking bumped off I mean pushed out, that said I saw a news report the other day talking to regular Americans and they seemed to love him. The majority of Americans want a swift end to the war. They voted for Trump. Trump is doing what he said he would. Love him or hate him Trump does what he says he’s going to do! That’s a lot more than previous presidents and our spineless PM’s have ever done. Mr "Didn't Trump say he would bring peace to Ukraine within 24 hours of being elected, never mind becoming POTUS?. Well it's over a month since Trump became POTUS and nearly 3 months since he was elected. How's that "doing what he says he going to do"? | |||
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"Best way forward for Europe I think is to scrap NATO and the USA and form a European defence alliance. Make some sort of deal with Putin on the basis that they keep the Crimean peninsula and in return Putin accepts europe@n defence alliance on the rest of the Ukraine. Just my humble opinion" But with which countries? Ireland and Austria aren't even in NATO, would they chip into a common defence plan? Would Hungary? | |||
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"Best way forward for Europe I think is to scrap NATO and the USA and form a European defence alliance. " but include mexico, panama, canada and greenland just for laughs | |||
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"My guess being Putin was pissed at NATO expanding into Russia border snd also want the crimean peninsula for blaçk sea access Not perfect but may end the killing " russia don't need crimea for black sea access | |||
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"Best way forward for Europe I think is to scrap NATO and the USA and form a European defence alliance. Make some sort of deal with Putin on the basis that they keep the Crimean peninsula and in return Putin accepts europe@n defence alliance on the rest of the Ukraine. Just my humble opinion But with which countries? Ireland and Austria aren't even in NATO, would they chip into a common defence plan? Would Hungary? " Not sure tbh. Current NATO counties for a start possibly even without Canada too. The Russians failed to invade Ukraine due to being very poor quality so for the time being I think Europe could easily stop conventional russian forces. | |||
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" Provide the security guarantees themselves. Why do you fear direct conflict with Russia? Is it it ok if it's some other country on the front line? 5,380 nuclear warheads is good reason to fear a direct confrontation with Russia. Especially without the USA. Europe only has 515. UK with 225, France 290. We need the US 5,044 warheads for a nuclear umbrella. Unless your willing to gamble Russia won't use them or they don't work.. " How many warheads do you think it would need to wipe out Moscow. | |||
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"Serious question. Realistically can you see Trump lasting the term? I'm not talking bumped off I mean pushed out, that said I saw a news report the other day talking to regular Americans and they seemed to love him. The majority of Americans want a swift end to the war. They voted for Trump. Trump is doing what he said he would. Love him or hate him Trump does what he says he’s going to do! That’s a lot more than previous presidents and our spineless PM’s have ever done. Mr
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Doing what you say you're going to do isn't necessarily a virtue, Hitler, Amin, Mugabe, Mussolini, Stalin, Pol Pot etc etc prove that.
Yes it’s much better if people say one thing and do another.
Which is what Europe will do about Ukraine.
Or say they will do something but it’s just lies and they do nothing, like UK, like Europe "_________________________________ ...and the US having reneged on their security commitment to Ukraine 30 years ago (and the myriad of lies since spouted by Trump during his previous and current presidency) | |||
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" Provide the security guarantees themselves. Why do you fear direct conflict with Russia? Is it it ok if it's some other country on the front line? 5,380 nuclear warheads is good reason to fear a direct confrontation with Russia. Especially without the USA. Europe only has 515. UK with 225, France 290. We need the US 5,044 warheads for a nuclear umbrella. Unless your willing to gamble Russia won't use them or they don't work.. How many warheads do you think it would need to wipe out Moscow." Read a fantastic article and don’t shoot the messenger. Due to layout of cities in Moscow and its demograph… would only take 15 warhead to make Russia inoperable militarily, but bear in mind if Vlad knew they were coming…he’d probably release hell. | |||
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"Serious question. Realistically can you see Trump lasting the term? I'm not talking bumped off I mean pushed out, that said I saw a news report the other day talking to regular Americans and they seemed to love him. The majority of Americans want a swift end to the war. They voted for Trump. Trump is doing what he said he would. Love him or hate him Trump does what he says he’s going to do! That’s a lot more than previous presidents and our spineless PM’s have ever done. Mr
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Doing what you say you're going to do isn't necessarily a virtue, Hitler, Amin, Mugabe, Mussolini, Stalin, Pol Pot etc etc prove that.
Yes it’s much better if people say one thing and do another.
Which is what Europe will do about Ukraine.
Or say they will do something but it’s just lies and they do nothing, like UK, like Europe
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" Provide the security guarantees themselves. Why do you fear direct conflict with Russia? Is it it ok if it's some other country on the front line? 5,380 nuclear warheads is good reason to fear a direct confrontation with Russia. Especially without the USA. Europe only has 515. UK with 225, France 290. We need the US 5,044 warheads for a nuclear umbrella. Unless your willing to gamble Russia won't use them or they don't work.. How many warheads do you think it would need to wipe out Moscow. Read a fantastic article and don’t shoot the messenger. Due to layout of cities in Moscow and its demograph… would only take 15 warhead to make Russia inoperable militarily, but bear in mind if Vlad knew they were coming…he’d probably release hell." I don’t think Europe are thinking about first strike. | |||
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"You can go on about how inappropriate Trump & Vance were but Zelenskyy should have kept his grievances behind closed doors imo this avoiding the televised car crash. " _____________________________________ The grievances we're initiated publicly by Trump and Vance...what does Hunter Biden, Zalenskyy's appearance in Pennsylvania and him not wearing a suit have to do with Putin's illegal invasion of a sovereign country and killing thousands of people? Trump gets aerated by poor Mexicans crossing the southern border! | |||
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"My guess being Putin was pissed at NATO expanding into Russia border snd also want the crimean peninsula for blaçk sea access Not perfect but may end the killing " This is what doesn't make sense with apparent flip Russia has made in being OK with 'The West' being on it's boarder. It's been hand over fist against Europe, EU, US, UK, NATO but now Russia's agreeable the US having the land - empowering an economy when they could keep it themselves .. it doesn't make sense. It's not the 'Trump threat', as Canada and Mexico essentially coughed at his tariffs. It's obvious they invaded for materiels and resources but underestimated the response, so why give them up, what is Russia being offered. | |||
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" This is what doesn't make sense with apparent flip Russia has made in being OK with 'The West' being on it's boarder. It's been hand over fist against Europe, EU, US, UK, NATO but now Russia's agreeable the US having the land - empowering an economy when they could keep it themselves .. it doesn't make sense. It's not the 'Trump threat', as Canada and Mexico essentially coughed at his tariffs. It's obvious they invaded for materiels and resources but underestimated the response, so why give them up, what is Russia being offered. " As Putin said though, Russia already has an abundance of natural resources. Looking at their huge landmass, it’s hard not to agree with him really | |||
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"Tell me how Zelenskyy rising to the bait has helped the Ukrainian cause exactly?" It was a disaster for Ukraine. | |||
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"so it's evident that ukraine must give up all and any assets that would finance the rebuilding of the country after hostilities have ended, remaining destitute and plundered vassel to the Russian/American allience for generations to come according to the trump/putin arselickers... i wonder how ukrainians feel about that prospect? " You really think The West wouldn’t have wanted their slice of the rebuilding pie anyway if we went down the Biden route? Yeah riiiiight. | |||
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"so it's evident that ukraine must give up all and any assets that would finance the rebuilding of the country after hostilities have ended, remaining destitute and plundered vassel to the Russian/American allience for generations to come according to the trump/putin arselickers... i wonder how ukrainians feel about that prospect? You really think The West wouldn’t have wanted their slice of the rebuilding pie anyway if we went down the Biden route? Yeah riiiiight." the west 🤣🤣 | |||
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" the west 🤣🤣" Yeah that’s right The West. The West who berate Putin for landgrabbing, but allow Israel to do the same. The West who fight for freedom & democracy whilst touting their arse to authoritarian China for trade deals. | |||
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" the west 🤣🤣 Yeah that’s right The West. The West who berate Putin for landgrabbing, but allow Israel to do the same. The West who fight for freedom & democracy whilst touting their arse to authoritarian China for trade deals. " 🤣🤣🤣 | |||
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" This is what doesn't make sense with apparent flip Russia has made in being OK with 'The West' being on it's boarder. It's been hand over fist against Europe, EU, US, UK, NATO but now Russia's agreeable the US having the land - empowering an economy when they could keep it themselves .. it doesn't make sense. It's not the 'Trump threat', as Canada and Mexico essentially coughed at his tariffs. It's obvious they invaded for materiels and resources but underestimated the response, so why give them up, what is Russia being offered. As Putin said though, Russia already has an abundance of natural resources. Looking at their huge landmass, it’s hard not to agree with him really" In the mean time Russia is now open to the US mining those same resources, so Putin is both OK with US/Ukraine and open with US/Russia ... that script doesn't make sense. | |||
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"Tell me how Zelenskyy rising to the bait has helped the Ukrainian cause exactly?" If someone has an agenda, the outcome is only ever going to be one way. It so happens what everyone saw was on live TV. Trump/Reps have wanted excuse to escape Ukraine .. they'd have made excuse due to the deficit or the non signing of the agreement. That is not how allies work, it's not how negotiations work, it's not how national security interests work.. bait or not the US wanted things on their terms or out | |||
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"My guess being Putin was pissed at NATO expanding into Russia border snd also want the crimean peninsula for blaçk sea access Not perfect but may end the killing This is what doesn't make sense with apparent flip Russia has made in being OK with 'The West' being on it's boarder. It's been hand over fist against Europe, EU, US, UK, NATO but now Russia's agreeable the US having the land - empowering an economy when they could keep it themselves .. it doesn't make sense. It's not the 'Trump threat', as Canada and Mexico essentially coughed at his tariffs. It's obvious they invaded for materiels and resources but underestimated the response, so why give them up, what is Russia being offered. " I mentioned this to you yesterday. If Russia give the US access to the minerals on the land it has taken from Ukraine, it keeps the US out of Ukrainian territory, which removes the problem of clashing with the US should Russia decide to advance further into Ukraine. Zelensky really needs to get his head in the game. | |||
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"My guess being Putin was pissed at NATO expanding into Russia border snd also want the crimean peninsula for blaçk sea access Not perfect but may end the killing This is what doesn't make sense with apparent flip Russia has made in being OK with 'The West' being on it's boarder. It's been hand over fist against Europe, EU, US, UK, NATO but now Russia's agreeable the US having the land - empowering an economy when they could keep it themselves .. it doesn't make sense. It's not the 'Trump threat', as Canada and Mexico essentially coughed at his tariffs. It's obvious they invaded for materiels and resources but underestimated the response, so why give them up, what is Russia being offered. " Russia would get a chance to save face after an embarrassing invasion that's failed. Ukraine gets to hold onto territory not lost if they agree to loosing the Crimea peninsula Ukraine agrees to not join NATO in return A new alliance is created between European countries with Ukraine in it. Not ideal but possibly will be an alternative to Russia ukrane war of attriciion Or should zelenski hold an election/referendum on accepting trump's offer and even resign as a reset with trump with a new leader for the good of Ukraine? | |||
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"My guess being Putin was pissed at NATO expanding into Russia border snd also want the crimean peninsula for blaçk sea access Not perfect but may end the killing This is what doesn't make sense with apparent flip Russia has made in being OK with 'The West' being on it's boarder. It's been hand over fist against Europe, EU, US, UK, NATO but now Russia's agreeable the US having the land - empowering an economy when they could keep it themselves .. it doesn't make sense. It's not the 'Trump threat', as Canada and Mexico essentially coughed at his tariffs. It's obvious they invaded for materiels and resources but underestimated the response, so why give them up, what is Russia being offered. I mentioned this to you yesterday. If Russia give the US access to the minerals on the land it has taken from Ukraine, it keeps the US out of Ukrainian territory, which removes the problem of clashing with the US should Russia decide to advance further into Ukraine. Zelensky really needs to get his head in the game." Ok..to understand this.. and to take what you say literally. The US will be on Russian land (as Russia held elections and named them as extended Russian state territories). The US (a present NATO member) will then be bordering Russia, defending it's interests (apparently). Something Russia has been very keen to avoid. Russia as you say - will by all counts be free to advance the war past these territories as security guarantees are likely not included. Am I missing something in what you say? | |||
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"Zalensky is a money laundering dwarf.. trump wasn’t taking crap from the little dictator " | |||
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"Trump is a realist. He knows Ukraine has lost and there is no way forward other than securing the best deal possible. Otherwise the killing will carry on and the situation will just get worse for Ukraine. Zelensky needs to step aside and let someone take over who can work with Trump to secure the peace." Exactly. | |||
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"My guess being Putin was pissed at NATO expanding into Russia border snd also want the crimean peninsula for blaçk sea access Not perfect but may end the killing This is what doesn't make sense with apparent flip Russia has made in being OK with 'The West' being on it's boarder. It's been hand over fist against Europe, EU, US, UK, NATO but now Russia's agreeable the US having the land - empowering an economy when they could keep it themselves .. it doesn't make sense. It's not the 'Trump threat', as Canada and Mexico essentially coughed at his tariffs. It's obvious they invaded for materiels and resources but underestimated the response, so why give them up, what is Russia being offered. I mentioned this to you yesterday. If Russia give the US access to the minerals on the land it has taken from Ukraine, it keeps the US out of Ukrainian territory, which removes the problem of clashing with the US should Russia decide to advance further into Ukraine. Zelensky really needs to get his head in the game. Ok..to understand this.. and to take what you say literally. The US will be on Russian land (as Russia held elections and named them as extended Russian state territories). The US (a present NATO member) will then be bordering Russia, defending it's interests (apparently). Something Russia has been very keen to avoid. Russia as you say - will by all counts be free to advance the war past these territories as security guarantees are likely not included. Am I missing something in what you say?" the fine detail is missing, in terms of the land being Ukrainian or Russian. Will the Russians hand back that part of the land, or would it remain disputed which would keep the barrier to NATO in place for Ukraine. However this play out, it will be in Russia's favour. | |||
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"time to stop aukus now that potus has shown himself to be untrustworthy pig and we squander billions on another pointless american vanity project .... the money is better spent elsewhere "Such as where? | |||
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"time to stop aukus now that potus has shown himself to be untrustworthy pig and we squander billions on another pointless american vanity project .... the money is better spent elsewhere
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"time to stop aukus now that potus has shown himself to be untrustworthy pig and we squander billions on another pointless american vanity project .... the money is better spent elsewhere
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wales "or even a decent suit for leo that actually fits him properly | |||
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"time to stop aukus now that potus has shown himself to be untrustworthy pig and we squander billions on another pointless american vanity project .... the money is better spent elsewhere
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or even a decent suit for leo that actually fits him properly "Who is Leo? | |||
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"time to stop aukus now that potus has shown himself to be untrustworthy pig and we squander billions on another pointless american vanity project .... the money is better spent elsewhere
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wales "We could do with the money though I'm sure they'll waste it on crap They'll probably spend over 5 million changing half the roads back to 30 the twats | |||
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"I now understand why Trump has the ridiculous combover he does … he wants to hide the 666 tattooed on his head. I guess on this occasion the Monks of Megiddo didn’t get through … worrying! #omentrilogy " Glad I'm not the only one thinking along those lines. | |||
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"time to stop aukus now that potus has shown himself to be untrustworthy pig and we squander billions on another pointless american vanity project .... the money is better spent elsewhere "Not just aukus.. you are probably looking at five eyes as well… From an intelligence standpoint. If you now think the us are compromised, why are you going to share anything! How did what happen make the us safer? | |||
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"Seems a trade deal wrapped up as peace deal when there's no security One thing that has come out of the Oval Office blow up is there's a lot more attention on it. " demanding mineral assets for nothing in return isn't much of a trade deal tbf. | |||
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"Seems a trade deal wrapped up as peace deal when there's no security One thing that has come out of the Oval Office blow up is there's a lot more attention on it. demanding mineral assets for nothing in return isn't much of a trade deal tbf." Zelensky offered the mineral deal, nobody demanded it. | |||
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"About time someone put money laundering, taking zalensky in his place.. good on the yanks." Da | |||
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"And where is China in all this? Just sitting back, waiting to pick up all the pieces, and confirm that they are dominant power in the world. " Very good point. | |||
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"And where is China in all this? Just sitting back, waiting to pick up all the pieces, and confirm that they are dominant power in the world. " Holding 34% of the world’s rare minerals and processing 90% of them. | |||
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"And where is China in all this? Just sitting back, waiting to pick up all the pieces, and confirm that they are dominant power in the world. Holding 34% of the world’s rare minerals and processing 90% of them. " Fair point. All they need to do is offer some security guarantees to Ukraine, and they knock both the US and Russia off their perch’s | |||
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"About time someone put money laundering, taking zalensky in his place.. good on the yanks." Can you elaborate please? | |||
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"Trump and Vance premeditated and planned this …. they are no better than school yard bullies. I despair that this is what the USA has become, and he is their mouthpiece and their ultimate representative… disgusting and disgusted with the USA. Putin is laughing his socks off in Kremlin tonight. R xx" that was a set up,, | |||
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" Provide the security guarantees themselves. Why do you fear direct conflict with Russia? Is it it ok if it's some other country on the front line? 5,380 nuclear warheads is good reason to fear a direct confrontation with Russia. Especially without the USA. Europe only has 515. UK with 225, France 290. We need the US 5,044 warheads for a nuclear umbrella. Unless your willing to gamble Russia won't use them or they don't work.. " How many do you think it takes? | |||
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"About time someone put money laundering, taking zalensky in his place.. good on the yanks." Attention deficit syndrome creeping in again darling? | |||
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"And where is China in all this? Just sitting back, waiting to pick up all the pieces, and confirm that they are dominant power in the world. Holding 34% of the world’s rare minerals and processing 90% of them. Fair point. All they need to do is offer some security guarantees to Ukraine, and they knock both the US and Russia off their perch’s" That could be a reality in the future, and the reason Trump is all eyes on China. | |||
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"And where is China in all this? Just sitting back, waiting to pick up all the pieces, and confirm that they are dominant power in the world. Holding 34% of the world’s rare minerals and processing 90% of them. Fair point. All they need to do is offer some security guarantees to Ukraine, and they knock both the US and Russia off their perch’s That could be a reality in the future, and the reason Trump is all eyes on China." China could destroy the US on any day of their choosing. They own so many US bonds now that they could just sell the lot on one day and the economy would collapse and the US knows it. Some of their people would suffer but it would be trading a knight for check mate. Alternatively they could align with Russia more closely and become the worlds greatest economic power. This is already happening with BRICS. Then by keeping their US bonds they are keeping the US on a leash. | |||
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"And where is China in all this? Just sitting back, waiting to pick up all the pieces, and confirm that they are dominant power in the world. Holding 34% of the world’s rare minerals and processing 90% of them. Fair point. All they need to do is offer some security guarantees to Ukraine, and they knock both the US and Russia off their perch’s That could be a reality in the future, and the reason Trump is all eyes on China. China could destroy the US on any day of their choosing. They own so many US bonds now that they could just sell the lot on one day and the economy would collapse and the US knows it. Some of their people would suffer but it would be trading a knight for check mate. Alternatively they could align with Russia more closely and become the worlds greatest economic power. This is already happening with BRICS. Then by keeping their US bonds they are keeping the US on a leash." They are a huge influence and force as you mention. The BRI is an overwhelming undertaking that is allowing China to have a Financial influence around the globe, whilst having hundreds of countries in debt to them. When I consider how we struggle to build HS2 and then see the size of BRI it is just bind blowing. | |||
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"And where is China in all this? Just sitting back, waiting to pick up all the pieces, and confirm that they are dominant power in the world. " Probably seeing what’s happening and picking their moment to invade Taiwan | |||
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"And where is China in all this? Just sitting back, waiting to pick up all the pieces, and confirm that they are dominant power in the world. Probably seeing what’s happening and picking their moment to invade Taiwan " I’m sure the UK can take that on as well. | |||
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"Trump and Vance are business people who were voted in after promising to account for every American dollar. American taxpayers currently have given 350 billion to Ukraine that is 80 times more than Europe. Was I the only who heard Trump say once Europe go in for 50% I am ok with it? The first thing out of Zelenski's mouth should have been " where do I sign". " Glad that there are some objective people on here. Tired of hearing the Bullshit Broadcasting Clown regurgitators! | |||
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"Trump and Vance are business people who were voted in after promising to account for every American dollar. American taxpayers currently have given 350 billion to Ukraine that is 80 times more than Europe. Was I the only who heard Trump say once Europe go in for 50% I am ok with it? The first thing out of Zelenski's mouth should have been " where do I sign". Glad that there are some objective people on here. Tired of hearing the Bullshit Broadcasting Clown regurgitators!" Apparently the $350 billion is trump BS. Since 2022 the Ukrain has received $383 from all sources. The US supplied about a third of that figure. Source FullFact | |||
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"It's easy to jump on Trumps back and/or criticise Zelensky and we all pretty much know what Putin is (insert expletive of choice) The way I see it there are 4 options here. 1. Let Putin win by stopping all funding to Ukraine. It will be all over in a month or two. 2. Defeat Putin by fully backing Ukraine. That would mean NATO boots on the ground and would probably end in WW3. 3. Chuck enough money at Ukraine to keep the war going indefinitely. That would keep it going for a few more years until Ukraine runs out of manpower and Putin would still be the winner. 4. Get around the negotiating table where both sides compromise. Yes it would almost certainly be a distasteful appeasement and Putin would use the time to re-group. But it would also buy Europe some time. Time that Europe needs to build up our defences and stop Putin if he tries it on again. A lot of people criticised Chamberlain for his piece of paper. But that piece of paper bought us time then and we need it now. If anyone has an option 5 I'm all ears." Very good summary. | |||
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"It's easy to jump on Trumps back and/or criticise Zelensky and we all pretty much know what Putin is (insert expletive of choice) The way I see it there are 4 options here. 1. Let Putin win by stopping all funding to Ukraine. It will be all over in a month or two. 2. Defeat Putin by fully backing Ukraine. That would mean NATO boots on the ground and would probably end in WW3. 3. Chuck enough money at Ukraine to keep the war going indefinitely. That would keep it going for a few more years until Ukraine runs out of manpower and Putin would still be the winner. 4. Get around the negotiating table where both sides compromise. Yes it would almost certainly be a distasteful appeasement and Putin would use the time to re-group. But it would also buy Europe some time. Time that Europe needs to build up our defences and stop Putin if he tries it on again. A lot of people criticised Chamberlain for his piece of paper. But that piece of paper bought us time then and we need it now. If anyone has an option 5 I'm all ears." Option 5: Undermine Putin and Russia from within. Cyber attacks, destabilise comms and energy infrastructure, manufacturing, finance and blame the Chinese. If they could blackout, cut off comms and internet even for a few hours a day but every day, it wouldn't take long for the people to turn. | |||
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"It's easy to jump on Trumps back and/or criticise Zelensky and we all pretty much know what Putin is (insert expletive of choice) The way I see it there are 4 options here. 1. Let Putin win by stopping all funding to Ukraine. It will be all over in a month or two. 2. Defeat Putin by fully backing Ukraine. That would mean NATO boots on the ground and would probably end in WW3. 3. Chuck enough money at Ukraine to keep the war going indefinitely. That would keep it going for a few more years until Ukraine runs out of manpower and Putin would still be the winner. 4. Get around the negotiating table where both sides compromise. Yes it would almost certainly be a distasteful appeasement and Putin would use the time to re-group. But it would also buy Europe some time. Time that Europe needs to build up our defences and stop Putin if he tries it on again. A lot of people criticised Chamberlain for his piece of paper. But that piece of paper bought us time then and we need it now. If anyone has an option 5 I'm all ears." It has to be along the lines of 4. Appalling that an aggressor can keep the spoils of war, but there we are. Europe needs to re-arm, but despite the PR shows of solidarity who will really step-up? Who are the 'willing', and more to the point, who are the 'unwilling' and why? It's too easy for small EU countries to duck their defence responsibilities under the guise of neutrality. Is it a key responsibility for the UK to defend Europe? We did just that in two world wars and where did it get us? We lost an empire and have been sliding into obscurity ever since. I'm not convinced it should be our sons (and daughters) slain on the anvil of yet another European war. | |||
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"It's easy to jump on Trumps back and/or criticise Zelensky and we all pretty much know what Putin is (insert expletive of choice) The way I see it there are 4 options here. 1. Let Putin win by stopping all funding to Ukraine. It will be all over in a month or two. 2. Defeat Putin by fully backing Ukraine. That would mean NATO boots on the ground and would probably end in WW3. 3. Chuck enough money at Ukraine to keep the war going indefinitely. That would keep it going for a few more years until Ukraine runs out of manpower and Putin would still be the winner. 4. Get around the negotiating table where both sides compromise. Yes it would almost certainly be a distasteful appeasement and Putin would use the time to re-group. But it would also buy Europe some time. Time that Europe needs to build up our defences and stop Putin if he tries it on again. A lot of people criticised Chamberlain for his piece of paper. But that piece of paper bought us time then and we need it now. If anyone has an option 5 I'm all ears." Hopefully there can be a prompt end to the war and killing But whatever agreement is signed it’s future is meaningless USA UK and others have already reneged on the 1994 Budapest memorandum. And whatever signed agreement is made next Putin will use it as arse paper. | |||
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