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"I don't think they lack the motivation. Young folks are more socially aware of the bullshit older folks and capitalism as a whole has spoon-fed them for most of their short lives. . Go to school, do well, go to uni, get a degree, get a good job. Get a house, get married, have kids, work 40+ years, retire, die. . Many have excellent degrees, are heavily in debt, cannot get a good job, cannot even think to get on the housing ladder, and well, it all falls apart basically. . The world their boomer parents lived in is not the same as their world now. Completely different. . I can't say I'm not surprised with their disillusionment. . No wonder many are trying to remake the world on their terms, according to their needs, but it is not easy. . I didn't have to remake the world when I entered the world of work. It was already there. I just had to fit in. They don't have that ease or opportunity anymore. " So what is stopping them fitting in as you put it. I have young apprentice that fit in work hard and do well, including getting on the property ladder. But I see lots that don't "want" what I class as a normal carrier they want to me film makers on Tic Tok. | |||
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" So what is stopping them fitting in as you put it. I have young apprentice that fit in work hard and do well, including getting on the property ladder. But I see lots that don't "want" what I class as a normal carrier they want to me film makers on Tic Tok. " I think you'd get a more meaningful response asking the apprentice. They are likely to more in tune with their own peer groups than perhaps you or I, and would be closer to the struggles the youngsters face. Struggles that I suspect were not even present in my time. . As for those aspiring to be "Tik-Tokker's" or "film-makers"...wasn't it always thus back in the day, with other more glamourous jobs ? 39 AD : Young Lurcio would have probably fancied himself as a Bard. Or a gladiator. 1250 AD : Young William would have fancied himself as a Knight 1750's : Young Horace would have fancied himself as another Byron. 1900's : Young Sally wanted to tread the boards in theatre. 1939-1945 : Probably quite a few aspired to be fighter pilots. Up to present day : Media / Performance / Movies / Etc Let's face it, there is very little fame in being a tradesperson. As vital and lucrative as those trades can be, they just don't "grab" the young, do they ? . In my day, I just wanted a good job with good pay. Clean. In an office. (I did have a period of wanting to go in to the services for many years, but then acting look more attractive and fun. Action / Excitement / Fame). I would imagine the same things that appealed to me initially, are the same things that appeal to many of the youngsters today. | |||
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"I think the work place generally has become stale and mundane. After the initial novelty honeymoon period complacency bored and drudge become a working persons make up. Only R n D, Creative/Media and Craftwork seem to be jobs that hold a career worth investing your working life in and getting enjoyment. Farming used to be promising but the government have screwed that up. Young people are ready for the new jobs not the old ones. " So how is going to do the old ones trades like, plumbing, bricklaying, plastering, joinery Etc. Let alone Nursing medical. All important jobs. But posably all under valued. And not attractive to today's school levers. | |||
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" Farming used to be promising but the government have screwed that up. " The government have screwed up farming? 
Not the multinational owned cooperations that set the prices to attritional rates, that don't pay those farmers fairly at all? Stakeholders of those companies who are often foreign, profiting billions but pay less than 1% of that profit in tax
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"The number of young people not in employment, education or training has hit an 11 year high. About 1 in 7 now fall into the Neet category. This does seem like such a waste of talent. What would improve the situation, are there good opportunities out there or do young people lack the motivation and discipline to work and train? " There are opportunities but with the forthcoming NI increase alone there's plenty of businesses shedding staff at the moment rather than employing so in the short term at least it's going to be tough for anyone to find a job. | |||
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"The number of young people not in employment, education or training has hit an 11 year high. About 1 in 7 now fall into the Neet category. This does seem like such a waste of talent. What would improve the situation, are there good opportunities out there or do young people lack the motivation and discipline to work and train? There are opportunities but with the forthcoming NI increase alone there's plenty of businesses shedding staff at the moment rather than employing so in the short term at least it's going to be tough for anyone to find a job." There's plenty of opportunities in skilled work yes, but if you're 25 or less with little to no experience you're f**ked | |||
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"The number of young people not in employment, education or training has hit an 11 year high. About 1 in 7 now fall into the Neet category. This does seem like such a waste of talent. What would improve the situation, are there good opportunities out there or do young people lack the motivation and discipline to work and train? There are opportunities but with the forthcoming NI increase alone there's plenty of businesses shedding staff at the moment rather than employing so in the short term at least it's going to be tough for anyone to find a job." Very good point | |||
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"I don't think they lack the motivation. Young folks are more socially aware of the bullshit older folks and capitalism as a whole has spoon-fed them for most of their short lives. . Go to school, do well, go to uni, get a degree, get a good job. Get a house, get married, have kids, work 40+ years, retire, die. . Many have excellent degrees, are heavily in debt, cannot get a good job, cannot even think to get on the housing ladder, and well, it all falls apart basically. . The world their boomer parents lived in is not the same as their world now. Completely different. . I can't say I'm not surprised with their disillusionment. . No wonder many are trying to remake the world on their terms, according to their needs, but it is not easy. . I didn't have to remake the world when I entered the world of work. It was already there. I just had to fit in. They don't have that ease or opportunity anymore. " With good advice and support they don’t need to "remake the world"...The idea that young people face an insurmountable challenge is an exaggeration. Is this your personal belief, or something you have read. | |||
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"I don't think they lack the motivation. Young folks are more socially aware of the bullshit older folks and capitalism as a whole has spoon-fed them for most of their short lives. . Go to school, do well, go to uni, get a degree, get a good job. Get a house, get married, have kids, work 40+ years, retire, die. . Many have excellent degrees, are heavily in debt, cannot get a good job, cannot even think to get on the housing ladder, and well, it all falls apart basically. . The world their boomer parents lived in is not the same as their world now. Completely different. . I can't say I'm not surprised with their disillusionment. . " I think 'excellent degrees' is questionable. Many young people unfortunately have gained low quality degrees with little real world application, while still holding expectations of high value employment. | |||
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"Yes it's a shame things have to change. The way I earned my millions couldn't be done today with the prevalence of online banking."  | |||
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"What is the cause and who to point fingers at Manufacturing has reduced significantly, in 1970 manufacturing contributed 30.1% of the UK's GDP, making it the largest sector of the economy. This was before the UK began to deindustrialize. Imported goods including food have increased 37% farms closed since 1973, farming reduced to 0.6% gdp Military numbers depleted by 30% since 2000 Less people employed in construction, 250000 builders needed to construct Reeves 1.5 million new homes Add 1.7 million at university skews the figures as they are living on loans " The youth could be earning a lot of money if they pivot towards the building trade right now, simple answers for simple problems. | |||
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"I don't think they lack the motivation. Young folks are more socially aware of the bullshit older folks and capitalism as a whole has spoon-fed them for most of their short lives. . Go to school, do well, go to uni, get a degree, get a good job. Get a house, get married, have kids, work 40+ years, retire, die. . Many have excellent degrees, are heavily in debt, cannot get a good job, cannot even think to get on the housing ladder, and well, it all falls apart basically. . The world their boomer parents lived in is not the same as their world now. Completely different. . I can't say I'm not surprised with their disillusionment. . I think 'excellent degrees' is questionable. Many young people unfortunately have gained low quality degrees with little real world application, while still holding expectations of high value employment." Very true. Personally I think that far too many go to university and a lot (not all) just see it as an easy option. These days the big earners are plumbers, electricians and the like. It's not just a UK thing either. Try getting a gas fitter in Germany. If you are lucky enough to get one who will "fit you in" he doesn't want wages, he wants a fucking start in life. Even in (supposedly cheap) Spain a small job in our bathroom that took one guy a day and a half with no materials to buy cost 700€ only labour, and he was by far the cheapest quote we got. One quoted us 1,500€ for the same job. Why? because they can. My message to any 18 year old would be, "get out there and learn a trade" and the rewards will come. A fully trained gas fitter will out earn a media studies graduate every time and by a long way. | |||
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"I don't think they lack the motivation. Young folks are more socially aware of the bullshit older folks and capitalism as a whole has spoon-fed them for most of their short lives. . Go to school, do well, go to uni, get a degree, get a good job. Get a house, get married, have kids, work 40+ years, retire, die. . Many have excellent degrees, are heavily in debt, cannot get a good job, cannot even think to get on the housing ladder, and well, it all falls apart basically. . The world their boomer parents lived in is not the same as their world now. Completely different. . I can't say I'm not surprised with their disillusionment. . I think 'excellent degrees' is questionable. Many young people unfortunately have gained low quality degrees with little real world application, while still holding expectations of high value employment. Very true. Personally I think that far too many go to university and a lot (not all) just see it as an easy option. These days the big earners are plumbers, electricians and the like. It's not just a UK thing either. Try getting a gas fitter in Germany. If you are lucky enough to get one who will "fit you in" he doesn't want wages, he wants a fucking start in life. Even in (supposedly cheap) Spain a small job in our bathroom that took one guy a day and a half with no materials to buy cost 700€ only labour, and he was by far the cheapest quote we got. One quoted us 1,500€ for the same job. Why? because they can. My message to any 18 year old would be, "get out there and learn a trade" and the rewards will come. A fully trained gas fitter will out earn a media studies graduate every time and by a long way." Also those jobs much less vulnerable to AI and automation | |||
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"I don't think they lack the motivation. Young folks are more socially aware of the bullshit older folks and capitalism as a whole has spoon-fed them for most of their short lives. . Go to school, do well, go to uni, get a degree, get a good job. Get a house, get married, have kids, work 40+ years, retire, die. . Many have excellent degrees, are heavily in debt, cannot get a good job, cannot even think to get on the housing ladder, and well, it all falls apart basically. . The world their boomer parents lived in is not the same as their world now. Completely different. . I can't say I'm not surprised with their disillusionment. . I think 'excellent degrees' is questionable. Many young people unfortunately have gained low quality degrees with little real world application, while still holding expectations of high value employment. Very true. Personally I think that far too many go to university and a lot (not all) just see it as an easy option. These days the big earners are plumbers, electricians and the like. It's not just a UK thing either. Try getting a gas fitter in Germany. If you are lucky enough to get one who will "fit you in" he doesn't want wages, he wants a fucking start in life. Even in (supposedly cheap) Spain a small job in our bathroom that took one guy a day and a half with no materials to buy cost 700€ only labour, and he was by far the cheapest quote we got. One quoted us 1,500€ for the same job. Why? because they can. My message to any 18 year old would be, "get out there and learn a trade" and the rewards will come. A fully trained gas fitter will out earn a media studies graduate every time and by a long way. Also those jobs much less vulnerable to AI and automation " Thinking about it. There are some great trades to be learned in the armed forces.  | |||
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"The youth could be earning a lot of money if they pivot towards the building trade right now, simple answers for simple The youth today aren't interested unless it involves a screen and a desk, frightened of a bit of hard graft or anything that might involve breaking into a sweat. " So basically they are lazy. To get in to an electrical apprenticeship now at 16 you need a standard pass in Maths and English Grade 4 or above and ITC 6 or better. If not part of the college work will mean re doing the exams at collage, and electrical engineering is hard as ut it on its own. But with this young adults can and do leave school at 16 and enter the work place and start on £13.38 an hour YES £500 a week on a basic 37.5 hour week Witch I don't think is a bad income at 16/17. | |||
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"The youth could be earning a lot of money if they pivot towards the building trade right now, simple answers for simple The youth today aren't interested unless it involves a screen and a desk, frightened of a bit of hard graft or anything that might involve breaking into a sweat. So basically they are lazy. To get in to an electrical apprenticeship now at 16 you need a standard pass in Maths and English Grade 4 or above and ITC 6 or better. If not part of the college work will mean re doing the exams at collage, and electrical engineering is hard as ut it on its own. But with this young adults can and do leave school at 16 and enter the work place and start on £13.38 an hour YES £500 a week on a basic 37.5 hour week Witch I don't think is a bad income at 16/17. " apprentice rates are £6.40 for 16 year olds fella ..... thats £306 per week gross not £500 .... i pay my boys and girls extra on top though because they are the brightest in their cohort and it motivates them to achieve more than the rest  | |||
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"The youth could be earning a lot of money if they pivot towards the building trade right now, simple answers for simple The youth today aren't interested unless it involves a screen and a desk, frightened of a bit of hard graft or anything that might involve breaking into a sweat. So basically they are lazy. To get in to an electrical apprenticeship now at 16 you need a standard pass in Maths and English Grade 4 or above and ITC 6 or better. If not part of the college work will mean re doing the exams at collage, and electrical engineering is hard as ut it on its own. But with this young adults can and do leave school at 16 and enter the work place and start on £13.38 an hour YES £500 a week on a basic 37.5 hour week Witch I don't think is a bad income at 16/17. apprentice rates are £6.40 for 16 year olds fella ..... thats £306 per week gross not £500 .... i pay my boys and girls extra on top though because they are the brightest in their cohort and it motivates them to achieve more than the rest "Sorry I stand corrected I was looking at adult stage 1 not 16 school leaving. Most of ours don't take the Extra pay as we have a tool system where they are incurage to turn pay in to tools Tax free. No VAT No Income tax on the tools I save on NI so it can work for both I normaly take 2 Every year and to be fair I think they do OK in life. I pesonly have helped some set up on there own and are now also taking on Apprentices. | |||
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"The youth could be earning a lot of money if they pivot towards the building trade right now, simple answers for simple The youth today aren't interested unless it involves a screen and a desk, frightened of a bit of hard graft or anything that might involve breaking into a sweat. So basically they are lazy. To get in to an electrical apprenticeship now at 16 you need a standard pass in Maths and English Grade 4 or above and ITC 6 or better. If not part of the college work will mean re doing the exams at collage, and electrical engineering is hard as ut it on its own. But with this young adults can and do leave school at 16 and enter the work place and start on £13.38 an hour YES £500 a week on a basic 37.5 hour week Witch I don't think is a bad income at 16/17. apprentice rates are £6.40 for 16 year olds fella ..... thats £306 per week gross not £500 .... i pay my boys and girls extra on top though because they are the brightest in their cohort and it motivates them to achieve more than the rest "So if you where leving school would you do the same as in getba trade, Work hard and work your way up. | |||
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"The youth could be earning a lot of money if they pivot towards the building trade right now, simple answers for simple The youth today aren't interested unless it involves a screen and a desk, frightened of a bit of hard graft or anything that might involve breaking into a sweat. So basically they are lazy. To get in to an electrical apprenticeship now at 16 you need a standard pass in Maths and English Grade 4 or above and ITC 6 or better. If not part of the college work will mean re doing the exams at collage, and electrical engineering is hard as ut it on its own. But with this young adults can and do leave school at 16 and enter the work place and start on £13.38 an hour YES £500 a week on a basic 37.5 hour week Witch I don't think is a bad income at 16/17. apprentice rates are £6.40 for 16 year olds fella ..... thats £306 per week gross not £500 .... i pay my boys and girls extra on top though because they are the brightest in their cohort and it motivates them to achieve more than the rest
So if you where leving school would you do the same as in getba trade, Work hard and work your way up. "i would suggest it as good route but recommend staying clear of house bashing until well after the AM2
i have one lad and two lasses going through their AM2 in March as it goes. | |||
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"the culture among businesses in this country has been crap for far too long, in so far as they refuse to invest in training people yet at the same time demanding the government provide an excessively large pool of qualified and experienced workers to hire from in order to keep wages artificially low. it's unrealistic and continues to be problematic." | |||
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"The youth could be earning a lot of money if they pivot towards the building trade right now, simple answers for simple The youth today aren't interested unless it involves a screen and a desk, frightened of a bit of hard graft or anything that might involve breaking into a sweat. So basically they are lazy. To get in to an electrical apprenticeship now at 16 you need a standard pass in Maths and English Grade 4 or above and ITC 6 or better. If not part of the college work will mean re doing the exams at collage, and electrical engineering is hard as ut it on its own. But with this young adults can and do leave school at 16 and enter the work place and start on £13.38 an hour YES £500 a week on a basic 37.5 hour week Witch I don't think is a bad income at 16/17. apprentice rates are £6.40 for 16 year olds fella ..... thats £306 per week gross not £500 .... i pay my boys and girls extra on top though because they are the brightest in their cohort and it motivates them to achieve more than the rest
So if you where leving school would you do the same as in getba trade, Work hard and work your way up.
i would suggest it as good route but recommend staying clear of house bashing until well after the AM2
i have one lad and two lasses going through their AM2 in March as it goes."Shame they got rid of the AM1 you might have been one of the last to do that. We don't do house bashing as in new Housing estates at all. Most of the company has been built around the hospitality sector. But will take on most bigger projects. | |||
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"The youth could be earning a lot of money if they pivot towards the building trade right now, simple answers for simple The youth today aren't interested unless it involves a screen and a desk, frightened of a bit of hard graft or anything that might involve breaking into a sweat. So basically they are lazy. To get in to an electrical apprenticeship now at 16 you need a standard pass in Maths and English Grade 4 or above and ITC 6 or better. If not part of the college work will mean re doing the exams at collage, and electrical engineering is hard as ut it on its own. But with this young adults can and do leave school at 16 and enter the work place and start on £13.38 an hour YES £500 a week on a basic 37.5 hour week Witch I don't think is a bad income at 16/17. apprentice rates are £6.40 for 16 year olds fella ..... thats £306 per week gross not £500 .... i pay my boys and girls extra on top though because they are the brightest in their cohort and it motivates them to achieve more than the rest
So if you where leving school would you do the same as in getba trade, Work hard and work your way up.
i would suggest it as good route but recommend staying clear of house bashing until well after the AM2
i have one lad and two lasses going through their AM2 in March as it goes.
Shame they got rid of the AM1 you might have been one of the last to do that.
We don't do house bashing as in new Housing estates at all. Most of the company has been built around the hospitality sector. But will take on most bigger projects. " | |||
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"My kid is looking at the forces but echoing others here if that wasn't his preference I'd be pushing him to get a trade Gives you so many options in life I think " How old is he PM if you prefer. | |||
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"My kid is looking at the forces but echoing others here if that wasn't his preference I'd be pushing him to get a trade Gives you so many options in life I think How old is he PM if you prefer." Will do now thanks | |||
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"My kid is looking at the forces but echoing others here if that wasn't his preference I'd be pushing him to get a trade Gives you so many options in life I think How old is he PM if you prefer." Can't as you don't let single guys pm you lol He's just doing his A levels this year | |||
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"I will be killed for saying this. Minimum wages result in youth unemployment." No on the hole minimum wage was good but it has got a bit to high but its OK | |||
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"My kid is looking at the forces but echoing others here if that wasn't his preference I'd be pushing him to get a trade Gives you so many options in life I think How old is he PM if you prefer. Can't as you don't let single guys pm you lol He's just doing his A levels this year " If I message you can you message back | |||
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"OK why is he doing A if he wants a trade. Message me We prefer to take them at 16 funding from government stops at 21 so he needs to be quick. This is where schools are giving the wrong information to the young Adults " funding for electrical training is available in wales at any age, so he'll be ok i think. | |||
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"I will be killed for saying this. Minimum wages result in youth unemployment. No on the hole minimum wage was good but it has got a bit to high but its OK " Minimum wages are known to result in businesses biasing towards giving jobs to experienced people instead of inexperienced people. | |||
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"Is it time to reduce benifits if your not going to do voluntary work or extra Education. " bad idea .... that'll just increase unemployment when all the companies who undertake outsourced work or similar, realise they can get free labour rather than having to pay a wage. | |||
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"Is it time to reduce benifits if your not going to do voluntary work or extra Education. bad idea .... that'll just increase unemployment when all the companies who undertake outsourced work or similar, realise they can get free labour rather than having to pay a wage." Go on then secessions on how to get the inactive section of the population at least doing more then nothing. | |||
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