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"Oh Jools. Do what I do. Say your piece and then forget you’ve posted. Then think of something else to add 3 hours later and ignore all the other comments and just add your 2 penneth worth. I’m not really a political person, but I have things I feel strongly about and I’ll say my bit even if I sound like an uneducated muppet to those who are more clued up, because why not. Sometimes you get flamed, sometimes you get educated. Just roll with it. " Love this I might stop reading all posts and just add my thoughts lol.. | |||
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"Oh Jools. Do what I do. Say your piece and then forget you’ve posted. Then think of something else to add 3 hours later and ignore all the other comments and just add your 2 penneth worth. I’m not really a political person, but I have things I feel strongly about and I’ll say my bit even if I sound like an uneducated muppet to those who are more clued up, because why not. Sometimes you get flamed, sometimes you get educated. Just roll with it. Love this I might stop reading all posts and just add my thoughts lol.. " I thought you did  | |||
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"lol best thing in the politics thread is to not think of it personally and to have tough skin.. Besides… as long as any position has some sort of evidence behind it, rather than just throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks, I quite admire people who can make me think … it’s brain engaging If I wanted mush… I’d stick around the lounge more often! So sweetly sweet it there at times I just have to walk away " I have always appreciated your posts. They are engaging and often educating. | |||
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"It's just every post is hijacked by the anti labour hate ,it's getting impossible to have a discussion without it being derailed , frankly it's boring and repetitive." Don’t let them grind you down , sometimes you just can’t help “stupid” … if people are one trick pony’s then just give the short shrift | |||
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"It's just every post is hijacked by the anti labour hate ,it's getting impossible to have a discussion without it being derailed , frankly it's boring and repetitive." The righties get on my nerves too. | |||
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"It's just every post is hijacked by the anti labour hate ,it's getting impossible to have a discussion without it being derailed , frankly it's boring and repetitive." Labour are in power, its natural they will get a disproportionate amount of criticism. The politics of the Lounge are somewhere to the left of Joe Stalin so I find much more balance here. | |||
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"It's just every post is hijacked by the anti labour hate ,it's getting impossible to have a discussion without it being derailed , frankly it's boring and repetitive." its only because labour are in power now up until 6or7months ago most posts were highjacked by anti tory hate, its the politics forum what do you expect civil discussions? | |||
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"lol best thing in the politics thread is to not think of it personally and to have tough skin.. Besides… as long as any position has some sort of evidence behind it, rather than just throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks, I quite admire people who can make me think … it’s brain engaging If I wanted mush… I’d stick around the lounge more often! So sweetly sweet it there at times I just have to walk away " We finally agree on something Fabio  | |||
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"It's just every post is hijacked by the anti labour hate ,it's getting impossible to have a discussion without it being derailed , frankly it's boring and repetitive." There seem to be quite a few Labour voters who have disappeared from the forum.. Presumably too embarrassed to show their faces. | |||
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"It's just every post is hijacked by the anti labour hate ,it's getting impossible to have a discussion without it being derailed , frankly it's boring and repetitive. The righties get on my nerves too. " As someone with views both left and right I find the lefties annoying too | |||
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"Oh Jools. Do what I do. Say your piece and then forget you’ve posted. Then think of something else to add 3 hours later and ignore all the other comments and just add your 2 penneth worth. I’m not really a political person, but I have things I feel strongly about and I’ll say my bit even if I sound like an uneducated muppet to those who are more clued up, because why not. Sometimes you get flamed, sometimes you get educated. Just roll with it. "  | |||
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"It's just every post is hijacked by the anti labour hate ,it's getting impossible to have a discussion without it being derailed , frankly it's boring and repetitive." No different to the when the Tories were in power, although it was very noticeable that the hatred was focussed on the voters as much as the party. | |||
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"It's just every post is hijacked by the anti labour hate ,it's getting impossible to have a discussion without it being derailed , frankly it's boring and repetitive. The righties get on my nerves too. As someone with views both left and right I find the lefties annoying too"  | |||
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"It's just every post is hijacked by the anti labour hate ,it's getting impossible to have a discussion without it being derailed , frankly it's boring and repetitive. The righties get on my nerves too. " Very evident on here the lefties are the majority on here. Just like watching bbc and their disinformation. | |||
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"It's just every post is hijacked by the anti labour hate ,it's getting impossible to have a discussion without it being derailed , frankly it's boring and repetitive. The righties get on my nerves too. Very evident on here the lefties are the majority on here. Just like watching bbc and their disinformation. " 🤣 | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. " What a fantasy world some people live in. Spouting rubbish and hoping people will believe it. Just because Trump is getting away with it at the moment does not mean that it is correct. As always, rather than people believing what is written here or anywhere else, check the facts yourself. Fascism is rife in the western world and lies, fiction and fantasy are their trademark. Nazi Germany started like this and some individuals appear to want the same thing to happen across Europe starting in the UK. I have a mind to report the above post to the administrators due to its falsehood. | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. What a fantasy world some people live in. Spouting rubbish and hoping people will believe it. Just because Trump is getting away with it at the moment does not mean that it is correct. As always, rather than people believing what is written here or anywhere else, check the facts yourself. Fascism is rife in the western world and lies, fiction and fantasy are their trademark. Nazi Germany started like this and some individuals appear to want the same thing to happen across Europe starting in the UK. I have a mind to report the above post to the administrators due to its falsehood." Which “facts” are you talking about? Your post doesn’t contain any. But thank you for emphasising my point. | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. " Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. What a fantasy world some people live in. Spouting rubbish and hoping people will believe it. Just because Trump is getting away with it at the moment does not mean that it is correct. As always, rather than people believing what is written here or anywhere else, check the facts yourself. Fascism is rife in the western world and lies, fiction and fantasy are their trademark. Nazi Germany started like this and some individuals appear to want the same thing to happen across Europe starting in the UK. I have a mind to report the above post to the administrators due to its falsehood. Which “facts” are you talking about? Your post doesn’t contain any. But thank you for emphasising my point." You don't have a point. | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ?" I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. | |||
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"Ah so now we are going down the % per seat, not % of the national vote. I also see you are including the % who didn't vote. I remember the whole brexit vote when remoaners were mocked for doing the very same thing" I’m afraid if you live in a country where 80% of the electorate entitled to vote didn’t vote for the government, you have to accept that there is quite a large pool of people who aren’t naturally inclined to agree with that government’s policies. And given that frankly Labour must be a major disappointment to its own voter pool given how out of its depth it clearly is, one must be amazed that it can poll at 23%. One must wonder who this 23% are. Presumably the usual motley crew of self - interested public sector workers and out of touch brainwashed urban graduates, and a handful of “my family have voted Labour for generations” people who haven’t woken up yet. | |||
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"It's just every post is hijacked by the anti labour hate ,it's getting impossible to have a discussion without it being derailed , frankly it's boring and repetitive." Basically why I don't bother anymore. It's not a politics forum, it's more just copy and pasted nonsense from GBNews. It was much funnier when it was just "Brexit is a good idea" or "the Tories are infallible". At least it was funny. Ahhh back in the day.... | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. " And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs  .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though. | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though."So which of the core Labour demographics do you fit in: Public sector worker Brainwashed urban dwelling graduate “My family have voted Labour for generations” | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though.
So which of the core Labour demographics do you fit in:
Public sector worker
Brainwashed urban dwelling graduate
“My family have voted Labour for generations”"The first. But which bit of my Lib dem preference did you ignore? | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though.
So which of the core Labour demographics do you fit in:
Public sector worker
Brainwashed urban dwelling graduate
“My family have voted Labour for generations”
The first. But which bit of my Lib dem preference did you ignore? "Labour voter = public sector worker Lib Dem voter = white middle class affluent guilt-ridden public sector worker | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though.
So which of the core Labour demographics do you fit in:
Public sector worker
Brainwashed urban dwelling graduate
“My family have voted Labour for generations”
The first. But which bit of my Lib dem preference did you ignore?
Labour voter = public sector worker
Lib Dem voter = white middle class affluent guilt-ridden public sector worker"Omg you couldn't be more wrong
I come from the poorest of backgrounds. I brought my children up in a slightly less poor environment. And dragged myself up and to uni as an old woman.
Feel proud Mr judgemental, feel very proud .
Btw I am proud that my professional status equates to middle class. I'll reach affluence when I bag myself a rich man  | |||
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"It's just every post is hijacked by the anti labour hate ,it's getting impossible to have a discussion without it being derailed , frankly it's boring and repetitive." I agree that the conversation has died in here. However, before the election, this forum was filled with rather rabid lefties who tried to shut down any sensible debate if it didn’t align with their views. It may be a sign of the times, and a consequence of the poor education system. This feeds through our entire society, and has resulted in the current crop of politicians (whatever political party they belong to) being exceedingly bad. | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though.
So which of the core Labour demographics do you fit in:
Public sector worker
Brainwashed urban dwelling graduate
“My family have voted Labour for generations”
The first. But which bit of my Lib dem preference did you ignore?
Labour voter = public sector worker
Lib Dem voter = white middle class affluent guilt-ridden public sector worker
Omg you couldn't be more wrong
I come from the poorest of backgrounds. I brought my children up in a slightly less poor environment. And dragged myself up and to uni as an old woman.
Feel proud Mr judgemental, feel very proud .
Btw I am proud that my professional status equates to middle class. I'll reach affluence when I bag myself a rich man "I think a lot of Leftists are concerned about status. People like Bridget Phillipson seem to be overwhelmingly driven by resentment and bitterness. Probably some imagined sleights she thinks she endured as some point in her life from someone with more money than her. And here we are all paying the price! Personally I admire people who go to university later in life. I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid. | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though.
So which of the core Labour demographics do you fit in:
Public sector worker
Brainwashed urban dwelling graduate
“My family have voted Labour for generations”
The first. But which bit of my Lib dem preference did you ignore?
Labour voter = public sector worker
Lib Dem voter = white middle class affluent guilt-ridden public sector worker
Omg you couldn't be more wrong
I come from the poorest of backgrounds. I brought my children up in a slightly less poor environment. And dragged myself up and to uni as an old woman.
Feel proud Mr judgemental, feel very proud .
Btw I am proud that my professional status equates to middle class. I'll reach affluence when I bag myself a rich man
I think a lot of Leftists are concerned about status.
People like Bridget Phillipson seem to be overwhelmingly driven by resentment and bitterness. Probably some imagined sleights she thinks she endured as some point in her life from someone with more money than her.
And here we are all paying the price!
Personally I admire people who go to university later in life.
I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid.
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" I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid. " Anti-intellectualism is taking over here as we've seen in the US. Not even sure how this kind of movement can be combatted. But it's a serious problem we face. People start with thinking that being educated makes you stupid, then there's a clear path to climate change denial, thinking Brexit is a good idea, and Covid conspiracies. | |||
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" I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid. Anti-intellectualism is taking over here as we've seen in the US. Not even sure how this kind of movement can be combatted. But it's a serious problem we face. People start with thinking that being educated makes you stupid, then there's a clear path to climate change denial, thinking Brexit is a good idea, and Covid conspiracies. " It’s interesting how you’ve grouped Brexit and climate change which are both legitimate areas of debate, with Covid conspiracies...
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"Anti-intellectualism is mostly ideologues with cognitive dissonance criticising pragmatists. It’s a waste of time tying to change their made up minds. They just get angry, shout louder than the pragmatists and their message travels furthest." There is an assumption that one side is correct while the other is just irrational. But if both sides of an argument are equally steadfast in their positions, how does this distinction apply? Wouldn’t that mean both sides could accuse the other of ideological rigidity and cognitive dissonance, which then brings us back to the sentiment of the thread. | |||
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"It's just every post is hijacked by the anti labour hate ,it's getting impossible to have a discussion without it being derailed , frankly it's boring and repetitive." It's simply a case of who is in power gets held to account for their actual actions and decisions. A bit like the politicians themselves in that for 14 years Labour politicians could criticise everything the Tories done with either not having a plan themselves or if they had a plan it would not be put to the test as they did not have to implement anything. Labour have discovered the realities of being in government are a lot harder than just criticising from the side lines | |||
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"Anti-intellectualism is mostly ideologues with cognitive dissonance criticising pragmatists. It’s a waste of time tying to change their made up minds. They just get angry, shout louder than the pragmatists and their message travels furthest. There is an assumption that one side is correct while the other is just irrational. But if both sides of an argument are equally steadfast in their positions, how does this distinction apply? Wouldn’t that mean both sides could accuse the other of ideological rigidity and cognitive dissonance, which then brings us back to the sentiment of the thread." “Mostly” should not be ignored. And I’m generally referring to the culture that Gove nurtured with his “people in this country have had enough of experts”. | |||
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"True intellectuals are pragmatists." Hey, I resemble that sentence .
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"True intellectuals are pragmatists." I don't agree. Coming from someone me who is definitely more pragmatic than anything else, sometimes you have to use some speculation and theory to advance. Your statements are more dogmatic than anything, which you seem to have distance yourself from being in other posts. Or you're being facetious/on the wind. Either of which are fair imo mind 🤷♂️ | |||
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"True intellectuals are pragmatists." That’s an interesting definition, but isn’t it a little too convenient? There are countless highly educated intellectuals including political leaders, religious leaders, and influential thinkers, who have been deeply ideological rather than purely pragmatic. By your definition, any intellectual with strong ideological beliefs wouldn’t be a “true intellectual”. Taking it a step further, wouldn’t that mean that no political party demonstrates true intellect, since all are driven by ideology rather than pure pragmatism? And if that’s the case, doesn’t it just bring us back to the core issue of the thread, that rigid, inflexible thinking exists across the board, not just on one side and in end that is "mostly" all. | |||
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"True intellectuals are pragmatists. That’s an interesting definition, but isn’t it a little too convenient? There are countless highly educated intellectuals including political leaders, religious leaders, and influential thinkers, who have been deeply ideological rather than purely pragmatic. By your definition, any intellectual with strong ideological beliefs wouldn’t be a “true intellectual”. Taking it a step further, wouldn’t that mean that no political party demonstrates true intellect, since all are driven by ideology rather than pure pragmatism? And if that’s the case, doesn’t it just bring us back to the core issue of the thread, that rigid, inflexible thinking exists across the board, not just on one side and in end that is "mostly" all." “True” intellectuals. | |||
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"True intellectuals are pragmatists. That’s an interesting definition, but isn’t it a little too convenient? There are countless highly educated intellectuals including political leaders, religious leaders, and influential thinkers, who have been deeply ideological rather than purely pragmatic. By your definition, any intellectual with strong ideological beliefs wouldn’t be a “true intellectual”. Taking it a step further, wouldn’t that mean that no political party demonstrates true intellect, since all are driven by ideology rather than pure pragmatism? And if that’s the case, doesn’t it just bring us back to the core issue of the thread, that rigid, inflexible thinking exists across the board, not just on one side and in end that is "mostly" all. “True” intellectuals." So, what exactly defines a “true” intellectual? Is it someone who aligns with your version of pragmatism? And if they don’t align with mine, then who decides which definition is correct? At that point, isn’t that just dogma as mentioned by another poster, an utter belief in your own interpretation of what an intellectual is? | |||
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"True intellectuals are pragmatists. I don't agree. Coming from someone me who is definitely more pragmatic than anything else, sometimes you have to use some speculation and theory to advance. Your statements are more dogmatic than anything, which you seem to have distance yourself from being in other posts. Or you're being facetious/on the wind. Either of which are fair imo mind 🤷♂️" You have to know when you are speculating or theorising for it to be beneficial. That’s part of pragmatism. | |||
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"True intellectuals are pragmatists. Hey, I resemble that sentence .
I was an intellectual before I could prove it gaining a first class honours degree - or should I say the degree is simply the icing on the cake?"The type of degree could make a difference. An ideologue could get a basic degree in psychology by learning the opinions of others. A PhD in psychology would require someone who could break new ground with that knowledge. Which takes pragmatic discipline. Other subjects might not be so easy for ideologues. | |||
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" I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid. Anti-intellectualism is taking over here as we've seen in the US. Not even sure how this kind of movement can be combatted. But it's a serious problem we face. People start with thinking that being educated makes you stupid, then there's a clear path to climate change denial, thinking Brexit is a good idea, and Covid conspiracies. " If you disagree with me you're anti-intellectual Of course | |||
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"True intellectuals are pragmatists. That’s an interesting definition, but isn’t it a little too convenient? There are countless highly educated intellectuals including political leaders, religious leaders, and influential thinkers, who have been deeply ideological rather than purely pragmatic. By your definition, any intellectual with strong ideological beliefs wouldn’t be a “true intellectual”. Taking it a step further, wouldn’t that mean that no political party demonstrates true intellect, since all are driven by ideology rather than pure pragmatism? And if that’s the case, doesn’t it just bring us back to the core issue of the thread, that rigid, inflexible thinking exists across the board, not just on one side and in end that is "mostly" all." What about a pragmatic ideologue | |||
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"Self titled intellectuals, pragmatists , and middle classes are so far up their own arses they cannot see the light of day. If you work and get paid by the hour, week or month you are working class no matter what the occupation or employer A qualification is no more than what it says. You are qualified to work ! Amazing how much snobbery there is amongst working class people. Some of the postings on here certainly show it. " I’ve seen no snobbery on this post. I’ve just seen some weapons grade inverted snobbery though. | |||
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"Self titled intellectuals, pragmatists , and middle classes are so far up their own arses they cannot see the light of day. If you work and get paid by the hour, week or month you are working class no matter what the occupation or employer A qualification is no more than what it says. You are qualified to work ! Amazing how much snobbery there is amongst working class people. Some of the postings on here certainly show it. I’ve seen no snobbery on this post. I’ve just seen some weapons grade inverted snobbery though." Or simply jealousy | |||
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"Self titled intellectuals, pragmatists , and middle classes are so far up their own arses they cannot see the light of day. If you work and get paid by the hour, week or month you are working class no matter what the occupation or employer A qualification is no more than what it says. You are qualified to work ! Amazing how much snobbery there is amongst working class people. Some of the postings on here certainly show it. " I'm intrigued to know what you consider to be working class snobbery, and how it relates to intellect? | |||
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" I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid. Anti-intellectualism is taking over here as we've seen in the US. Not even sure how this kind of movement can be combatted. But it's a serious problem we face. People start with thinking that being educated makes you stupid, then there's a clear path to climate change denial, thinking Brexit is a good idea, and Covid conspiracies. It’s interesting how you’ve grouped Brexit and climate change which are both legitimate areas of debate, with Covid conspiracies...
Question: Someone who is "anti-intellectualism" and someone who simply has different perspectives on political or economic matters, how do you differentiate them? "All three are measurable, and are hot topics for these type What on earth are you banging on about "different perspectives"? This is completely irrelevant to the conversation. We're talking specifically about the wave of anti-intellectualism, as demonstrated by the person I replied to. | |||
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" I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid. Anti-intellectualism is taking over here as we've seen in the US. Not even sure how this kind of movement can be combatted. But it's a serious problem we face. People start with thinking that being educated makes you stupid, then there's a clear path to climate change denial, thinking Brexit is a good idea, and Covid conspiracies. If you disagree with me you're anti-intellectual Of course " Completely irrelevant, nothing to do with the point being made. | |||
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"Well this thread has gone in whole different direction than I was expecting! " Welcome back Jools | |||
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"Well this thread has gone in whole different direction than I was expecting! " What did you expect
I don't see much different to every thread that is started; a new subject posted, a few posts of agreement, then the counter views, followed by the inevitable rants and off we go again.
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" I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid. Anti-intellectualism is taking over here as we've seen in the US. Not even sure how this kind of movement can be combatted. But it's a serious problem we face. People start with thinking that being educated makes you stupid, then there's a clear path to climate change denial, thinking Brexit is a good idea, and Covid conspiracies. It’s interesting how you’ve grouped Brexit and climate change which are both legitimate areas of debate, with Covid conspiracies...
Question: Someone who is "anti-intellectualism" and someone who simply has different perspectives on political or economic matters, how do you differentiate them?
All three are measurable, and are hot topics for these type
What on earth are you banging on about "different perspectives"? This is completely irrelevant to the conversation. We're talking specifically about the wave of anti-intellectualism, as demonstrated by the person I replied to. "Take a look further up, I think I have gone over this with another poster, I hope that helps. | |||
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" I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid. Anti-intellectualism is taking over here as we've seen in the US. Not even sure how this kind of movement can be combatted. But it's a serious problem we face. People start with thinking that being educated makes you stupid, then there's a clear path to climate change denial, thinking Brexit is a good idea, and Covid conspiracies. It’s interesting how you’ve grouped Brexit and climate change which are both legitimate areas of debate, with Covid conspiracies...
Question: Someone who is "anti-intellectualism" and someone who simply has different perspectives on political or economic matters, how do you differentiate them?
All three are measurable, and are hot topics for these type
What on earth are you banging on about "different perspectives"? This is completely irrelevant to the conversation. We're talking specifically about the wave of anti-intellectualism, as demonstrated by the person I replied to.
Take a look further up, I think I have gone over this with another poster, I hope that helps. "You've gone over your own question to me with a poster above? Excellent, then no further comments. Being anti-intellectual is not in any way related to agreeing or disagreeing with anyone. I was merely commented on someone who said of a university education "I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid." | |||
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"Well this thread has gone in whole different direction than I was expecting! " Good to see you back, you usually bring food for thought. | |||
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" I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid. Anti-intellectualism is taking over here as we've seen in the US. Not even sure how this kind of movement can be combatted. But it's a serious problem we face. People start with thinking that being educated makes you stupid, then there's a clear path to climate change denial, thinking Brexit is a good idea, and Covid conspiracies. " As JD Vance quite astutely commented on Rory Stewart: the problem with Rory and people like him is that he has an IQ of 110 and thinks he has an IQ of 130. This false arrogance drives so much elite failure over the last 40 years. | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though.
So which of the core Labour demographics do you fit in:
Public sector worker
Brainwashed urban dwelling graduate
“My family have voted Labour for generations”
The first. But which bit of my Lib dem preference did you ignore?
Labour voter = public sector worker
Lib Dem voter = white middle class affluent guilt-ridden public sector worker
Omg you couldn't be more wrong
I come from the poorest of backgrounds. I brought my children up in a slightly less poor environment. And dragged myself up and to uni as an old woman.
Feel proud Mr judgemental, feel very proud .
Btw I am proud that my professional status equates to middle class. I'll reach affluence when I bag myself a rich man
I think a lot of Leftists are concerned about status.
People like Bridget Phillipson seem to be overwhelmingly driven by resentment and bitterness. Probably some imagined sleights she thinks she endured as some point in her life from someone with more money than her.
And here we are all paying the price!
Personally I admire people who go to university later in life.
I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid.
I imagine it depends on what the course is. Again with the judgement!"Doubtful. We all know that universities here and in the US are overwhelmingly staffed by leftists. As is, probably to a very slightly lesser extent, the public sector. Having educational institutions staffed almost entirely by people with one world view is the very antithesis of what education should be about. | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though.
So which of the core Labour demographics do you fit in:
Public sector worker
Brainwashed urban dwelling graduate
“My family have voted Labour for generations”
The first. But which bit of my Lib dem preference did you ignore?
Labour voter = public sector worker
Lib Dem voter = white middle class affluent guilt-ridden public sector worker
Omg you couldn't be more wrong
I come from the poorest of backgrounds. I brought my children up in a slightly less poor environment. And dragged myself up and to uni as an old woman.
Feel proud Mr judgemental, feel very proud .
Btw I am proud that my professional status equates to middle class. I'll reach affluence when I bag myself a rich man
I think a lot of Leftists are concerned about status.
People like Bridget Phillipson seem to be overwhelmingly driven by resentment and bitterness. Probably some imagined sleights she thinks she endured as some point in her life from someone with more money than her.
And here we are all paying the price!
Personally I admire people who go to university later in life.
I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid.
I imagine it depends on what the course is. Again with the judgement!
Doubtful. We all know that universities here and in the US are overwhelmingly staffed by leftists. As is, probably to a very slightly lesser extent, the public sector.
Having educational institutions staffed almost entirely by people with one world view is the very antithesis of what education should be about."Teachers teach, lecturers don't. You're encouraged to find your own voice and question everything. That's not brainwashing. I'll admit I cannot comment on a BA as mine is BSc. | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though.
So which of the core Labour demographics do you fit in:
Public sector worker
Brainwashed urban dwelling graduate
“My family have voted Labour for generations”
The first. But which bit of my Lib dem preference did you ignore?
Labour voter = public sector worker
Lib Dem voter = white middle class affluent guilt-ridden public sector worker
Omg you couldn't be more wrong
I come from the poorest of backgrounds. I brought my children up in a slightly less poor environment. And dragged myself up and to uni as an old woman.
Feel proud Mr judgemental, feel very proud .
Btw I am proud that my professional status equates to middle class. I'll reach affluence when I bag myself a rich man
I think a lot of Leftists are concerned about status.
People like Bridget Phillipson seem to be overwhelmingly driven by resentment and bitterness. Probably some imagined sleights she thinks she endured as some point in her life from someone with more money than her.
And here we are all paying the price!
Personally I admire people who go to university later in life.
I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid.
I imagine it depends on what the course is. Again with the judgement!
Doubtful. We all know that universities here and in the US are overwhelmingly staffed by leftists. As is, probably to a very slightly lesser extent, the public sector.
Having educational institutions staffed almost entirely by people with one world view is the very antithesis of what education should be about.
Teachers teach, lecturers don't. You're encouraged to find your own voice and question everything. That's not brainwashing.
I'll admit I cannot comment on a BA as mine is BSc."Saying a lecturer isn't teacher is an odd path to take The difference in the influence they have upon their students is negligible | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though.
So which of the core Labour demographics do you fit in:
Public sector worker
Brainwashed urban dwelling graduate
“My family have voted Labour for generations”
The first. But which bit of my Lib dem preference did you ignore?
Labour voter = public sector worker
Lib Dem voter = white middle class affluent guilt-ridden public sector worker
Omg you couldn't be more wrong
I come from the poorest of backgrounds. I brought my children up in a slightly less poor environment. And dragged myself up and to uni as an old woman.
Feel proud Mr judgemental, feel very proud .
Btw I am proud that my professional status equates to middle class. I'll reach affluence when I bag myself a rich man
I think a lot of Leftists are concerned about status.
People like Bridget Phillipson seem to be overwhelmingly driven by resentment and bitterness. Probably some imagined sleights she thinks she endured as some point in her life from someone with more money than her.
And here we are all paying the price!
Personally I admire people who go to university later in life.
I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid.
I imagine it depends on what the course is. Again with the judgement!
Doubtful. We all know that universities here and in the US are overwhelmingly staffed by leftists. As is, probably to a very slightly lesser extent, the public sector.
Having educational institutions staffed almost entirely by people with one world view is the very antithesis of what education should be about.
Teachers teach, lecturers don't. You're encouraged to find your own voice and question everything. That's not brainwashing.
I'll admit I cannot comment on a BA as mine is BSc.
Saying a lecturer isn't teacher is an odd path to take
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" I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid. Anti-intellectualism is taking over here as we've seen in the US. Not even sure how this kind of movement can be combatted. But it's a serious problem we face. People start with thinking that being educated makes you stupid, then there's a clear path to climate change denial, thinking Brexit is a good idea, and Covid conspiracies. As JD Vance quite astutely commented on Rory Stewart: the problem with Rory and people like him is that he has an IQ of 110 and thinks he has an IQ of 130. This false arrogance drives so much elite failure over the last 40 years. " How is this related to your anti-intellectual stance? | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though.
So which of the core Labour demographics do you fit in:
Public sector worker
Brainwashed urban dwelling graduate
“My family have voted Labour for generations”
The first. But which bit of my Lib dem preference did you ignore?
Labour voter = public sector worker
Lib Dem voter = white middle class affluent guilt-ridden public sector worker
Omg you couldn't be more wrong
I come from the poorest of backgrounds. I brought my children up in a slightly less poor environment. And dragged myself up and to uni as an old woman.
Feel proud Mr judgemental, feel very proud .
Btw I am proud that my professional status equates to middle class. I'll reach affluence when I bag myself a rich man
I think a lot of Leftists are concerned about status.
People like Bridget Phillipson seem to be overwhelmingly driven by resentment and bitterness. Probably some imagined sleights she thinks she endured as some point in her life from someone with more money than her.
And here we are all paying the price!
Personally I admire people who go to university later in life.
I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid.
I imagine it depends on what the course is. Again with the judgement!
Doubtful. We all know that universities here and in the US are overwhelmingly staffed by leftists. As is, probably to a very slightly lesser extent, the public sector.
Having educational institutions staffed almost entirely by people with one world view is the very antithesis of what education should be about.
Teachers teach, lecturers don't. You're encouraged to find your own voice and question everything. That's not brainwashing.
I'll admit I cannot comment on a BA as mine is BSc.
Saying a lecturer isn't teacher is an odd path to take
The difference in the influence they have upon their students is negligible "I believe you are right, it is strange to say lecturers aren't teachers, of course they are. As for the notion of 'finding your own voice' and 'questioning everything', whilst it may contain an element of truth it doesn't make you a brilliant student without having to go to class and listening and understanding your lecturer. Lecturers, like teachers are vital for a good education. It's just the level of education that's different but they are still essential. I've met lots of 'stupid' people who have found their own voice and witnessed loads of people getting paint on their hands after reading the 'Wet Paint' sign because they question everything. These things alone do not provide the best path to get an education, you need more. So lecturers are teachers, Mrs x | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though.
So which of the core Labour demographics do you fit in:
Public sector worker
Brainwashed urban dwelling graduate
“My family have voted Labour for generations”
The first. But which bit of my Lib dem preference did you ignore?
Labour voter = public sector worker
Lib Dem voter = white middle class affluent guilt-ridden public sector worker
Omg you couldn't be more wrong
I come from the poorest of backgrounds. I brought my children up in a slightly less poor environment. And dragged myself up and to uni as an old woman.
Feel proud Mr judgemental, feel very proud .
Btw I am proud that my professional status equates to middle class. I'll reach affluence when I bag myself a rich man
I think a lot of Leftists are concerned about status.
People like Bridget Phillipson seem to be overwhelmingly driven by resentment and bitterness. Probably some imagined sleights she thinks she endured as some point in her life from someone with more money than her.
And here we are all paying the price!
Personally I admire people who go to university later in life.
I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid.
I imagine it depends on what the course is. Again with the judgement!
Doubtful. We all know that universities here and in the US are overwhelmingly staffed by leftists. As is, probably to a very slightly lesser extent, the public sector.
Having educational institutions staffed almost entirely by people with one world view is the very antithesis of what education should be about.
Teachers teach, lecturers don't. You're encouraged to find your own voice and question everything. That's not brainwashing.
I'll admit I cannot comment on a BA as mine is BSc.
Saying a lecturer isn't teacher is an odd path to take
The difference in the influence they have upon their students is negligible I believe you are right, it is strange to say lecturers aren't teachers, of course they are. As for the notion of 'finding your own voice' and 'questioning everything', whilst it may contain an element of truth it doesn't make you a brilliant student without having to go to class and listening and understanding your lecturer.
Lecturers, like teachers are vital for a good education. It's just the level of education that's different but they are still essential.
I've met lots of 'stupid' people who have found their own voice and witnessed loads of people getting paint on their hands after reading the 'Wet Paint' sign because they question everything. These things alone do not provide the best path to get an education, you need more.
So lecturers are teachers,
Mrs x"I am discussing my own experience! I didn't say they aren't teachers I stated they don't teach. It is all about self directed learning. I also stated that I don't know how different a BA is. Of course lecturers are essential  . I was trying to make a point that students aren't brainwashed.
In healthcare, we use evidence-based care. We are innovators for further evidence-based care, so that care is always current. Therefore, critiquing is essential to that.
Btw, anyone disrespecting students of today, how are you qualified to do that? As far as I can see, you lot are merely expressing opinions. | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though.
So which of the core Labour demographics do you fit in:
Public sector worker
Brainwashed urban dwelling graduate
“My family have voted Labour for generations”
The first. But which bit of my Lib dem preference did you ignore?
Labour voter = public sector worker
Lib Dem voter = white middle class affluent guilt-ridden public sector worker
Omg you couldn't be more wrong
I come from the poorest of backgrounds. I brought my children up in a slightly less poor environment. And dragged myself up and to uni as an old woman.
Feel proud Mr judgemental, feel very proud .
Btw I am proud that my professional status equates to middle class. I'll reach affluence when I bag myself a rich man
I think a lot of Leftists are concerned about status.
People like Bridget Phillipson seem to be overwhelmingly driven by resentment and bitterness. Probably some imagined sleights she thinks she endured as some point in her life from someone with more money than her.
And here we are all paying the price!
Personally I admire people who go to university later in life.
I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid.
I imagine it depends on what the course is. Again with the judgement!
Doubtful. We all know that universities here and in the US are overwhelmingly staffed by leftists. As is, probably to a very slightly lesser extent, the public sector.
Having educational institutions staffed almost entirely by people with one world view is the very antithesis of what education should be about.
Teachers teach, lecturers don't. You're encouraged to find your own voice and question everything. That's not brainwashing.
I'll admit I cannot comment on a BA as mine is BSc.
Saying a lecturer isn't teacher is an odd path to take
The difference in the influence they have upon their students is negligible I believe you are right, it is strange to say lecturers aren't teachers, of course they are. As for the notion of 'finding your own voice' and 'questioning everything', whilst it may contain an element of truth it doesn't make you a brilliant student without having to go to class and listening and understanding your lecturer.
Lecturers, like teachers are vital for a good education. It's just the level of education that's different but they are still essential.
I've met lots of 'stupid' people who have found their own voice and witnessed loads of people getting paint on their hands after reading the 'Wet Paint' sign because they question everything. These things alone do not provide the best path to get an education, you need more.
So lecturers are teachers,
Mrs x
I am discussing my own experience! I didn't say they aren't teachers I stated they don't teach. It is all about self directed learning. I also stated that I don't know how different a BA is.
Of course lecturers are essential . I was trying to make a point that students aren't brainwashed.
In healthcare, we use evidence-based care. We are innovators for further evidence-based care, so that care is always current. Therefore, critiquing is essential to that.
Btw, anyone disrespecting students of today, how are you qualified to do that? As far as I can see, you lot are merely expressing opinions."So if you are saying that you didn't say they weren't teachers, does that mean they are teachers then? And if they are how can you say they don't teach? I need educating it would seem, Mrs x | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though.
So which of the core Labour demographics do you fit in:
Public sector worker
Brainwashed urban dwelling graduate
“My family have voted Labour for generations”
The first. But which bit of my Lib dem preference did you ignore?
Labour voter = public sector worker
Lib Dem voter = white middle class affluent guilt-ridden public sector worker
Omg you couldn't be more wrong
I come from the poorest of backgrounds. I brought my children up in a slightly less poor environment. And dragged myself up and to uni as an old woman.
Feel proud Mr judgemental, feel very proud .
Btw I am proud that my professional status equates to middle class. I'll reach affluence when I bag myself a rich man
I think a lot of Leftists are concerned about status.
People like Bridget Phillipson seem to be overwhelmingly driven by resentment and bitterness. Probably some imagined sleights she thinks she endured as some point in her life from someone with more money than her.
And here we are all paying the price!
Personally I admire people who go to university later in life.
I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid.
I imagine it depends on what the course is. Again with the judgement!
Doubtful. We all know that universities here and in the US are overwhelmingly staffed by leftists. As is, probably to a very slightly lesser extent, the public sector.
Having educational institutions staffed almost entirely by people with one world view is the very antithesis of what education should be about.
Teachers teach, lecturers don't. You're encouraged to find your own voice and question everything. That's not brainwashing.
I'll admit I cannot comment on a BA as mine is BSc.
Saying a lecturer isn't teacher is an odd path to take
The difference in the influence they have upon their students is negligible I believe you are right, it is strange to say lecturers aren't teachers, of course they are. As for the notion of 'finding your own voice' and 'questioning everything', whilst it may contain an element of truth it doesn't make you a brilliant student without having to go to class and listening and understanding your lecturer.
Lecturers, like teachers are vital for a good education. It's just the level of education that's different but they are still essential.
I've met lots of 'stupid' people who have found their own voice and witnessed loads of people getting paint on their hands after reading the 'Wet Paint' sign because they question everything. These things alone do not provide the best path to get an education, you need more.
So lecturers are teachers,
Mrs x
I am discussing my own experience! I didn't say they aren't teachers I stated they don't teach. It is all about self directed learning. I also stated that I don't know how different a BA is.
Of course lecturers are essential . I was trying to make a point that students aren't brainwashed.
In healthcare, we use evidence-based care. We are innovators for further evidence-based care, so that care is always current. Therefore, critiquing is essential to that.
Btw, anyone disrespecting students of today, how are you qualified to do that? As far as I can see, you lot are merely expressing opinions.So if you are saying that you didn't say they weren't teachers, does that mean they are teachers then?
And if they are how can you say they don't teach? I need educating it would seem,
Mrs x"Here you go (as I am not getting into semantics with you): "While technically a university lecturer is a type of teacher, the term "lecturer" is often used to emphasize the academic focus and research aspect of their role at a higher education level, signifying a greater emphasis on scholarly expertise and presenting information in a more formal lecture style compared to the typical "teacher" role in K-12 education, which often involves more direct instruction and student interaction". | |||
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"It's just every post is hijacked by the anti labour hate ,it's getting impossible to have a discussion without it being derailed , frankly it's boring and repetitive. The righties get on my nerves too. Very evident on here the lefties are the majority on here. Just like watching bbc and their disinformation. "
1 of only 3 comments ive read on this post - i ignored the rest and agreed with you. The rest have gone shutting down a busy road somewhere - concerned about something and thinks waving a flag is going to save a totally different country | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though.
So which of the core Labour demographics do you fit in:
Public sector worker
Brainwashed urban dwelling graduate
“My family have voted Labour for generations”
The first. But which bit of my Lib dem preference did you ignore?
Labour voter = public sector worker
Lib Dem voter = white middle class affluent guilt-ridden public sector worker
Omg you couldn't be more wrong
I come from the poorest of backgrounds. I brought my children up in a slightly less poor environment. And dragged myself up and to uni as an old woman.
Feel proud Mr judgemental, feel very proud .
Btw I am proud that my professional status equates to middle class. I'll reach affluence when I bag myself a rich man
I think a lot of Leftists are concerned about status.
People like Bridget Phillipson seem to be overwhelmingly driven by resentment and bitterness. Probably some imagined sleights she thinks she endured as some point in her life from someone with more money than her.
And here we are all paying the price!
Personally I admire people who go to university later in life.
I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid.
I imagine it depends on what the course is. Again with the judgement!
Doubtful. We all know that universities here and in the US are overwhelmingly staffed by leftists. As is, probably to a very slightly lesser extent, the public sector.
Having educational institutions staffed almost entirely by people with one world view is the very antithesis of what education should be about.
Teachers teach, lecturers don't. You're encouraged to find your own voice and question everything. That's not brainwashing.
I'll admit I cannot comment on a BA as mine is BSc.
Saying a lecturer isn't teacher is an odd path to take
The difference in the influence they have upon their students is negligible I believe you are right, it is strange to say lecturers aren't teachers, of course they are. As for the notion of 'finding your own voice' and 'questioning everything', whilst it may contain an element of truth it doesn't make you a brilliant student without having to go to class and listening and understanding your lecturer.
Lecturers, like teachers are vital for a good education. It's just the level of education that's different but they are still essential.
I've met lots of 'stupid' people who have found their own voice and witnessed loads of people getting paint on their hands after reading the 'Wet Paint' sign because they question everything. These things alone do not provide the best path to get an education, you need more.
So lecturers are teachers,
Mrs x
I am discussing my own experience! I didn't say they aren't teachers I stated they don't teach. It is all about self directed learning. I also stated that I don't know how different a BA is.
Of course lecturers are essential . I was trying to make a point that students aren't brainwashed.
In healthcare, we use evidence-based care. We are innovators for further evidence-based care, so that care is always current. Therefore, critiquing is essential to that.
Btw, anyone disrespecting students of today, how are you qualified to do that? As far as I can see, you lot are merely expressing opinions.So if you are saying that you didn't say they weren't teachers, does that mean they are teachers then?
And if they are how can you say they don't teach? I need educating it would seem,
Mrs x
Here you go (as I am not getting into semantics with you):
"While technically a university lecturer is a type of teacher, the term "lecturer" is often used to emphasize the academic focus and research aspect of their role at a higher education level, signifying a greater emphasis on scholarly expertise and presenting information in a more formal lecture style compared to the typical "teacher" role in K-12 education, which often involves more direct instruction and student interaction". "So 'technically' they are a teacher, ok. Mrs x | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though.
So which of the core Labour demographics do you fit in:
Public sector worker
Brainwashed urban dwelling graduate
“My family have voted Labour for generations”
The first. But which bit of my Lib dem preference did you ignore?
Labour voter = public sector worker
Lib Dem voter = white middle class affluent guilt-ridden public sector worker
Omg you couldn't be more wrong
I come from the poorest of backgrounds. I brought my children up in a slightly less poor environment. And dragged myself up and to uni as an old woman.
Feel proud Mr judgemental, feel very proud .
Btw I am proud that my professional status equates to middle class. I'll reach affluence when I bag myself a rich man
I think a lot of Leftists are concerned about status.
People like Bridget Phillipson seem to be overwhelmingly driven by resentment and bitterness. Probably some imagined sleights she thinks she endured as some point in her life from someone with more money than her.
And here we are all paying the price!
Personally I admire people who go to university later in life.
I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid.
I imagine it depends on what the course is. Again with the judgement!
Doubtful. We all know that universities here and in the US are overwhelmingly staffed by leftists. As is, probably to a very slightly lesser extent, the public sector.
Having educational institutions staffed almost entirely by people with one world view is the very antithesis of what education should be about.
Teachers teach, lecturers don't. You're encouraged to find your own voice and question everything. That's not brainwashing.
I'll admit I cannot comment on a BA as mine is BSc.
Saying a lecturer isn't teacher is an odd path to take
The difference in the influence they have upon their students is negligible I believe you are right, it is strange to say lecturers aren't teachers, of course they are. As for the notion of 'finding your own voice' and 'questioning everything', whilst it may contain an element of truth it doesn't make you a brilliant student without having to go to class and listening and understanding your lecturer.
Lecturers, like teachers are vital for a good education. It's just the level of education that's different but they are still essential.
I've met lots of 'stupid' people who have found their own voice and witnessed loads of people getting paint on their hands after reading the 'Wet Paint' sign because they question everything. These things alone do not provide the best path to get an education, you need more.
So lecturers are teachers,
Mrs x
I am discussing my own experience! I didn't say they aren't teachers I stated they don't teach. It is all about self directed learning. I also stated that I don't know how different a BA is.
Of course lecturers are essential . I was trying to make a point that students aren't brainwashed.
In healthcare, we use evidence-based care. We are innovators for further evidence-based care, so that care is always current. Therefore, critiquing is essential to that.
Btw, anyone disrespecting students of today, how are you qualified to do that? As far as I can see, you lot are merely expressing opinions.So if you are saying that you didn't say they weren't teachers, does that mean they are teachers then?
And if they are how can you say they don't teach? I need educating it would seem,
Mrs x
Here you go (as I am not getting into semantics with you):
"While technically a university lecturer is a type of teacher, the term "lecturer" is often used to emphasize the academic focus and research aspect of their role at a higher education level, signifying a greater emphasis on scholarly expertise and presenting information in a more formal lecture style compared to the typical "teacher" role in K-12 education, which often involves more direct instruction and student interaction". So 'technically' they are a teacher, ok.
Mrs x"I've stated all that I'm going to on the matter! | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though.
So which of the core Labour demographics do you fit in:
Public sector worker
Brainwashed urban dwelling graduate
“My family have voted Labour for generations”
The first. But which bit of my Lib dem preference did you ignore?
Labour voter = public sector worker
Lib Dem voter = white middle class affluent guilt-ridden public sector worker
Omg you couldn't be more wrong
I come from the poorest of backgrounds. I brought my children up in a slightly less poor environment. And dragged myself up and to uni as an old woman.
Feel proud Mr judgemental, feel very proud .
Btw I am proud that my professional status equates to middle class. I'll reach affluence when I bag myself a rich man
I think a lot of Leftists are concerned about status.
People like Bridget Phillipson seem to be overwhelmingly driven by resentment and bitterness. Probably some imagined sleights she thinks she endured as some point in her life from someone with more money than her.
And here we are all paying the price!
Personally I admire people who go to university later in life.
I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid.
I imagine it depends on what the course is. Again with the judgement!
Doubtful. We all know that universities here and in the US are overwhelmingly staffed by leftists. As is, probably to a very slightly lesser extent, the public sector.
Having educational institutions staffed almost entirely by people with one world view is the very antithesis of what education should be about.
Teachers teach, lecturers don't. You're encouraged to find your own voice and question everything. That's not brainwashing.
I'll admit I cannot comment on a BA as mine is BSc.
Saying a lecturer isn't teacher is an odd path to take
The difference in the influence they have upon their students is negligible I believe you are right, it is strange to say lecturers aren't teachers, of course they are. As for the notion of 'finding your own voice' and 'questioning everything', whilst it may contain an element of truth it doesn't make you a brilliant student without having to go to class and listening and understanding your lecturer.
Lecturers, like teachers are vital for a good education. It's just the level of education that's different but they are still essential.
I've met lots of 'stupid' people who have found their own voice and witnessed loads of people getting paint on their hands after reading the 'Wet Paint' sign because they question everything. These things alone do not provide the best path to get an education, you need more.
So lecturers are teachers,
Mrs x
I am discussing my own experience! I didn't say they aren't teachers I stated they don't teach. It is all about self directed learning. I also stated that I don't know how different a BA is.
Of course lecturers are essential . I was trying to make a point that students aren't brainwashed.
In healthcare, we use evidence-based care. We are innovators for further evidence-based care, so that care is always current. Therefore, critiquing is essential to that.
Btw, anyone disrespecting students of today, how are you qualified to do that? As far as I can see, you lot are merely expressing opinions.So if you are saying that you didn't say they weren't teachers, does that mean they are teachers then?
And if they are how can you say they don't teach? I need educating it would seem,
Mrs x
Here you go (as I am not getting into semantics with you):
"While technically a university lecturer is a type of teacher, the term "lecturer" is often used to emphasize the academic focus and research aspect of their role at a higher education level, signifying a greater emphasis on scholarly expertise and presenting information in a more formal lecture style compared to the typical "teacher" role in K-12 education, which often involves more direct instruction and student interaction". So 'technically' they are a teacher, ok.
Mrs x
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though.
So which of the core Labour demographics do you fit in:
Public sector worker
Brainwashed urban dwelling graduate
“My family have voted Labour for generations”
The first. But which bit of my Lib dem preference did you ignore?
Labour voter = public sector worker
Lib Dem voter = white middle class affluent guilt-ridden public sector worker
Omg you couldn't be more wrong
I come from the poorest of backgrounds. I brought my children up in a slightly less poor environment. And dragged myself up and to uni as an old woman.
Feel proud Mr judgemental, feel very proud .
Btw I am proud that my professional status equates to middle class. I'll reach affluence when I bag myself a rich man
I think a lot of Leftists are concerned about status.
People like Bridget Phillipson seem to be overwhelmingly driven by resentment and bitterness. Probably some imagined sleights she thinks she endured as some point in her life from someone with more money than her.
And here we are all paying the price!
Personally I admire people who go to university later in life.
I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid.
I imagine it depends on what the course is. Again with the judgement!
Doubtful. We all know that universities here and in the US are overwhelmingly staffed by leftists. As is, probably to a very slightly lesser extent, the public sector.
Having educational institutions staffed almost entirely by people with one world view is the very antithesis of what education should be about.
Teachers teach, lecturers don't. You're encouraged to find your own voice and question everything. That's not brainwashing.
I'll admit I cannot comment on a BA as mine is BSc.
Saying a lecturer isn't teacher is an odd path to take
The difference in the influence they have upon their students is negligible I believe you are right, it is strange to say lecturers aren't teachers, of course they are. As for the notion of 'finding your own voice' and 'questioning everything', whilst it may contain an element of truth it doesn't make you a brilliant student without having to go to class and listening and understanding your lecturer.
Lecturers, like teachers are vital for a good education. It's just the level of education that's different but they are still essential.
I've met lots of 'stupid' people who have found their own voice and witnessed loads of people getting paint on their hands after reading the 'Wet Paint' sign because they question everything. These things alone do not provide the best path to get an education, you need more.
So lecturers are teachers,
Mrs x
I am discussing my own experience! I didn't say they aren't teachers I stated they don't teach. It is all about self directed learning. I also stated that I don't know how different a BA is.
Of course lecturers are essential . I was trying to make a point that students aren't brainwashed.
In healthcare, we use evidence-based care. We are innovators for further evidence-based care, so that care is always current. Therefore, critiquing is essential to that.
Btw, anyone disrespecting students of today, how are you qualified to do that? As far as I can see, you lot are merely expressing opinions.So if you are saying that you didn't say they weren't teachers, does that mean they are teachers then?
And if they are how can you say they don't teach? I need educating it would seem,
Mrs x
Here you go (as I am not getting into semantics with you):
"While technically a university lecturer is a type of teacher, the term "lecturer" is often used to emphasize the academic focus and research aspect of their role at a higher education level, signifying a greater emphasis on scholarly expertise and presenting information in a more formal lecture style compared to the typical "teacher" role in K-12 education, which often involves more direct instruction and student interaction". So 'technically' they are a teacher, ok.
Mrs x
I've stated all that I'm going to on the matter!I've only asked a question, why get so upset?..
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though.
So which of the core Labour demographics do you fit in:
Public sector worker
Brainwashed urban dwelling graduate
“My family have voted Labour for generations”
The first. But which bit of my Lib dem preference did you ignore?
Labour voter = public sector worker
Lib Dem voter = white middle class affluent guilt-ridden public sector worker
Omg you couldn't be more wrong
I come from the poorest of backgrounds. I brought my children up in a slightly less poor environment. And dragged myself up and to uni as an old woman.
Feel proud Mr judgemental, feel very proud .
Btw I am proud that my professional status equates to middle class. I'll reach affluence when I bag myself a rich man
I think a lot of Leftists are concerned about status.
People like Bridget Phillipson seem to be overwhelmingly driven by resentment and bitterness. Probably some imagined sleights she thinks she endured as some point in her life from someone with more money than her.
And here we are all paying the price!
Personally I admire people who go to university later in life.
I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid.
I imagine it depends on what the course is. Again with the judgement!
Doubtful. We all know that universities here and in the US are overwhelmingly staffed by leftists. As is, probably to a very slightly lesser extent, the public sector.
Having educational institutions staffed almost entirely by people with one world view is the very antithesis of what education should be about.
Teachers teach, lecturers don't. You're encouraged to find your own voice and question everything. That's not brainwashing.
I'll admit I cannot comment on a BA as mine is BSc.
Saying a lecturer isn't teacher is an odd path to take
The difference in the influence they have upon their students is negligible I believe you are right, it is strange to say lecturers aren't teachers, of course they are. As for the notion of 'finding your own voice' and 'questioning everything', whilst it may contain an element of truth it doesn't make you a brilliant student without having to go to class and listening and understanding your lecturer.
Lecturers, like teachers are vital for a good education. It's just the level of education that's different but they are still essential.
I've met lots of 'stupid' people who have found their own voice and witnessed loads of people getting paint on their hands after reading the 'Wet Paint' sign because they question everything. These things alone do not provide the best path to get an education, you need more.
So lecturers are teachers,
Mrs x
I am discussing my own experience! I didn't say they aren't teachers I stated they don't teach. It is all about self directed learning. I also stated that I don't know how different a BA is.
Of course lecturers are essential . I was trying to make a point that students aren't brainwashed.
In healthcare, we use evidence-based care. We are innovators for further evidence-based care, so that care is always current. Therefore, critiquing is essential to that.
Btw, anyone disrespecting students of today, how are you qualified to do that? As far as I can see, you lot are merely expressing opinions.So if you are saying that you didn't say they weren't teachers, does that mean they are teachers then?
And if they are how can you say they don't teach? I need educating it would seem,
Mrs x
Here you go (as I am not getting into semantics with you):
"While technically a university lecturer is a type of teacher, the term "lecturer" is often used to emphasize the academic focus and research aspect of their role at a higher education level, signifying a greater emphasis on scholarly expertise and presenting information in a more formal lecture style compared to the typical "teacher" role in K-12 education, which often involves more direct instruction and student interaction". So 'technically' they are a teacher, ok.
Mrs x
I've stated all that I'm going to on the matter!I've only asked a question, why get so upset?..
Mrs x
Upset? No. I just know what you're like when you get a bit between the teeth."No bit at all, just wanted to know what function lectures serve if they don't teach? Instead of giving an answer yourself you post a quote, which seems to suggest lecturers are teachers, technically at least but they don't have as much direct instruction or student interaction as K12 teachers but this would imply they do have some direct instructio and student interaction. I did not post this quote you did and it indicates that lecturers are teachers. If they aren't who would you ask a question of if you were unsure of an issue which didn't understand in any particular module? Surely you'd ask the lecturer, teacher, instructor for guidance on any course if you were unsure of something you felt you hadn't got a complete understanding of any issue. That's what they are paid to do, impart their knowledge on their subject of expertise. This is 'teaching' for want of a better term. Mrs x | |||
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though.
So which of the core Labour demographics do you fit in:
Public sector worker
Brainwashed urban dwelling graduate
“My family have voted Labour for generations”
The first. But which bit of my Lib dem preference did you ignore?
Labour voter = public sector worker
Lib Dem voter = white middle class affluent guilt-ridden public sector worker
Omg you couldn't be more wrong
I come from the poorest of backgrounds. I brought my children up in a slightly less poor environment. And dragged myself up and to uni as an old woman.
Feel proud Mr judgemental, feel very proud .
Btw I am proud that my professional status equates to middle class. I'll reach affluence when I bag myself a rich man
I think a lot of Leftists are concerned about status.
People like Bridget Phillipson seem to be overwhelmingly driven by resentment and bitterness. Probably some imagined sleights she thinks she endured as some point in her life from someone with more money than her.
And here we are all paying the price!
Personally I admire people who go to university later in life.
I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid.
I imagine it depends on what the course is. Again with the judgement!
Doubtful. We all know that universities here and in the US are overwhelmingly staffed by leftists. As is, probably to a very slightly lesser extent, the public sector.
Having educational institutions staffed almost entirely by people with one world view is the very antithesis of what education should be about.
Teachers teach, lecturers don't. You're encouraged to find your own voice and question everything. That's not brainwashing.
I'll admit I cannot comment on a BA as mine is BSc.
Saying a lecturer isn't teacher is an odd path to take
The difference in the influence they have upon their students is negligible I believe you are right, it is strange to say lecturers aren't teachers, of course they are. As for the notion of 'finding your own voice' and 'questioning everything', whilst it may contain an element of truth it doesn't make you a brilliant student without having to go to class and listening and understanding your lecturer.
Lecturers, like teachers are vital for a good education. It's just the level of education that's different but they are still essential.
I've met lots of 'stupid' people who have found their own voice and witnessed loads of people getting paint on their hands after reading the 'Wet Paint' sign because they question everything. These things alone do not provide the best path to get an education, you need more.
So lecturers are teachers,
Mrs x
I am discussing my own experience! I didn't say they aren't teachers I stated they don't teach. It is all about self directed learning. I also stated that I don't know how different a BA is.
Of course lecturers are essential . I was trying to make a point that students aren't brainwashed.
In healthcare, we use evidence-based care. We are innovators for further evidence-based care, so that care is always current. Therefore, critiquing is essential to that.
Btw, anyone disrespecting students of today, how are you qualified to do that? As far as I can see, you lot are merely expressing opinions.So if you are saying that you didn't say they weren't teachers, does that mean they are teachers then?
And if they are how can you say they don't teach? I need educating it would seem,
Mrs x
Here you go (as I am not getting into semantics with you):
"While technically a university lecturer is a type of teacher, the term "lecturer" is often used to emphasize the academic focus and research aspect of their role at a higher education level, signifying a greater emphasis on scholarly expertise and presenting information in a more formal lecture style compared to the typical "teacher" role in K-12 education, which often involves more direct instruction and student interaction". So 'technically' they are a teacher, ok.
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"Small minority of the electorate vote for a Labour government which most people knew would be shit. Labour government turns out to be shit. The 80% who didn’t vote for the shit Labour government point out that it’s shit. Rather than owning their mistake and undergoing some self analysis the Labour voters complain about “anti Labour hate”. This is a pretty common pattern in modern Western society. It’s all someone else’s fault and everyone else is the one with the problem. I’m not responsible for my actions. Maybe we’ll soon get a law against “Labourphobia”. Which party got a bigger share of the vote, just so we know who should be running the country ? I’m sure you can use the internet to find out this information. Maybe try the BBC website I’m sure you are familiar with it. But in 2024 there was a turnout of just under 60%. Labour got 33% of the vote, or around 20% of the vote if you look at the percentage against the total electorate. Number of votes per seat: Labour 23k Tories 56k Greens 485k Reform 823k None of this is at all relevant to this thread. Which is effectively an attempt by a dwindling band of Labour bitterenders to stifle debate. Rather than come to terms with their error, they seek to blame everyone else and censor any criticism of “the Party”, like we are living in some latter day East Germany. They’ve spent over a decade waiting for their Labour shangri-la and it’s overnight turned into a total dud. Of course there is always going to be a hard core of public sector workers who are too financially invested in Labour to do or say anything else. And there are those of us lefties who think you spout bs .
I voted Labour wahooooooooo.
Didn't matter cos it's a safe Tory seat sadly.
I'm more of a Lib Dem though.
So which of the core Labour demographics do you fit in:
Public sector worker
Brainwashed urban dwelling graduate
“My family have voted Labour for generations”
The first. But which bit of my Lib dem preference did you ignore?
Labour voter = public sector worker
Lib Dem voter = white middle class affluent guilt-ridden public sector worker
Omg you couldn't be more wrong
I come from the poorest of backgrounds. I brought my children up in a slightly less poor environment. And dragged myself up and to uni as an old woman.
Feel proud Mr judgemental, feel very proud .
Btw I am proud that my professional status equates to middle class. I'll reach affluence when I bag myself a rich man
I think a lot of Leftists are concerned about status.
People like Bridget Phillipson seem to be overwhelmingly driven by resentment and bitterness. Probably some imagined sleights she thinks she endured as some point in her life from someone with more money than her.
And here we are all paying the price!
Personally I admire people who go to university later in life.
I doubt whether I’d bother going nowadays. It always had a leftward slant but now it’s just a brainwashing machine turning people stupid.
I imagine it depends on what the course is. Again with the judgement!
Doubtful. We all know that universities here and in the US are overwhelmingly staffed by leftists. As is, probably to a very slightly lesser extent, the public sector.
Having educational institutions staffed almost entirely by people with one world view is the very antithesis of what education should be about.
Teachers teach, lecturers don't. You're encouraged to find your own voice and question everything. That's not brainwashing.
I'll admit I cannot comment on a BA as mine is BSc.
Saying a lecturer isn't teacher is an odd path to take
The difference in the influence they have upon their students is negligible I believe you are right, it is strange to say lecturers aren't teachers, of course they are. As for the notion of 'finding your own voice' and 'questioning everything', whilst it may contain an element of truth it doesn't make you a brilliant student without having to go to class and listening and understanding your lecturer.
Lecturers, like teachers are vital for a good education. It's just the level of education that's different but they are still essential.
I've met lots of 'stupid' people who have found their own voice and witnessed loads of people getting paint on their hands after reading the 'Wet Paint' sign because they question everything. These things alone do not provide the best path to get an education, you need more.
So lecturers are teachers,
Mrs x
I am discussing my own experience! I didn't say they aren't teachers I stated they don't teach. It is all about self directed learning. I also stated that I don't know how different a BA is.
Of course lecturers are essential . I was trying to make a point that students aren't brainwashed.
In healthcare, we use evidence-based care. We are innovators for further evidence-based care, so that care is always current. Therefore, critiquing is essential to that.
Btw, anyone disrespecting students of today, how are you qualified to do that? As far as I can see, you lot are merely expressing opinions.So if you are saying that you didn't say they weren't teachers, does that mean they are teachers then?
And if they are how can you say they don't teach? I need educating it would seem,
Mrs x
Here you go (as I am not getting into semantics with you):
"While technically a university lecturer is a type of teacher, the term "lecturer" is often used to emphasize the academic focus and research aspect of their role at a higher education level, signifying a greater emphasis on scholarly expertise and presenting information in a more formal lecture style compared to the typical "teacher" role in K-12 education, which often involves more direct instruction and student interaction". So 'technically' they are a teacher, ok.
Mrs x
Do you not understand “semantics”?
If you do you are either making a joke or trolling."Of course it don't understand such mighty linguistic principles and im just taking the piss, everyone knows lecturers don't teach... is that better haha, Mrs x | |||
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"No wonder the OP has quit this forum. Some absolute bollocks being written here that has nothing to do with their original post. Threads are like conversations, they can go off on tangents. Nothing wrong with that." Very true, Mrs x | |||
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"No wonder the OP has quit this forum. Some absolute bollocks being written here that has nothing to do with their original post. Threads are like conversations, they can go off on tangents. Nothing wrong with that." Whilst I agree with you on conversations (which are normally face to face, or over a phone etc), I disagree on forums etc. They should be kept as reasonably close to the original subject post as possible. Or people just lose interest etc… | |||
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"No wonder the OP has quit this forum. Some absolute bollocks being written here that has nothing to do with their original post. Threads are like conversations, they can go off on tangents. Nothing wrong with that. Whilst I agree with you on conversations (which are normally face to face, or over a phone etc), I disagree on forums etc. They should be kept as reasonably close to the original subject post as possible. Or people just lose interest etc…" This thread has almost 100 posts so hardly a loss of interest. | |||
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"Good Lord! Labour only got elected for one reason, because the Tories were so rubbish. Now Labour have had enough time to show how rubbish they are. The two party system is over, and Reform UK will be the main beneficiary of this. We may well have to wait for 2028. Labour have this majority, just like the Tories before them. But the times are a changing, and Labour will wash up like so much plastic on the beaches, the Tories will remain unforgiven for their fourteen year fuckup, and the LibDems will do well to finish in fourth place. I’m looking forward to saying ‘I told you so.’" Labour have yet to prove they are rubbish. Not a great start admittedly. Tories under Bojo only got elected due to Brexit issue. Tories got re-elected as Corbyn wasn't a suitable opposition (arrogant git, should have stood down after two defeats). They, the Tories, proved time and again they were rubbish. As for Reform, let's wait n see, yeah? | |||
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"Good Lord! Labour only got elected for one reason, because the Tories were so rubbish. Now Labour have had enough time to show how rubbish they are. The two party system is over, and Reform UK will be the main beneficiary of this. We may well have to wait for 2028. Labour have this majority, just like the Tories before them. But the times are a changing, and Labour will wash up like so much plastic on the beaches, the Tories will remain unforgiven for their fourteen year fuckup, and the LibDems will do well to finish in fourth place. I’m looking forward to saying ‘I told you so.’ Labour have yet to prove they are rubbish. Not a great start admittedly. Tories under Bojo only got elected due to Brexit issue. Tories got re-elected as Corbyn wasn't a suitable opposition (arrogant git, should have stood down after two defeats). They, the Tories, proved time and again they were rubbish. As for Reform, let's wait n see, yeah?" What are your criteria for determining that Labour are rubbish? I think the vast majority of people have already reached that conclusion, even those Labour voters who continue to try and put a brave face on the situation. Of course the vast majority of the electorate knew Labour would be rubbish. They’d also had enough of the rubbish Tories. Labour seems to have lost a third of its voters since the GE. And its local election performance has been dismal since the GE. | |||
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"No wonder the OP has quit this forum. Some absolute bollocks being written here that has nothing to do with their original post. Threads are like conversations, they can go off on tangents. Nothing wrong with that. Whilst I agree with you on conversations (which are normally face to face, or over a phone etc), I disagree on forums etc. They should be kept as reasonably close to the original subject post as possible. Or people just lose interest etc… This thread has almost 100 posts so hardly a loss of interest." The OP lost interest. | |||
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"No wonder the OP has quit this forum. Some absolute bollocks being written here that has nothing to do with their original post. Threads are like conversations, they can go off on tangents. Nothing wrong with that. Whilst I agree with you on conversations (which are normally face to face, or over a phone etc), I disagree on forums etc. They should be kept as reasonably close to the original subject post as possible. Or people just lose interest etc… This thread has almost 100 posts so hardly a loss of interest. The OP lost interest." Their original post suggested they lost interest a while ago, Mrs x | |||
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"No wonder the OP has quit this forum. Some absolute bollocks being written here that has nothing to do with their original post. Threads are like conversations, they can go off on tangents. Nothing wrong with that. Whilst I agree with you on conversations (which are normally face to face, or over a phone etc), I disagree on forums etc. They should be kept as reasonably close to the original subject post as possible. Or people just lose interest etc… This thread has almost 100 posts so hardly a loss of interest. The OP lost interest." Yeah but I guess this thread has proved my point very well. You could start a post about favourite apples and the conversation will be derailed very quickly. Obviously anti labour is the big one at the moment as they are the ruling party. But these aren't really conversations anymore are they more like repetitive rant's shouting down anyone who disagrees. I'm sure the same thing would happen regardless of the ruling party. | |||
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"No wonder the OP has quit this forum. Some absolute bollocks being written here that has nothing to do with their original post. Threads are like conversations, they can go off on tangents. Nothing wrong with that. Whilst I agree with you on conversations (which are normally face to face, or over a phone etc), I disagree on forums etc. They should be kept as reasonably close to the original subject post as possible. Or people just lose interest etc… This thread has almost 100 posts so hardly a loss of interest. The OP lost interest. Yeah but I guess this thread has proved my point very well. You could start a post about favourite apples and the conversation will be derailed very quickly. Obviously anti labour is the big one at the moment as they are the ruling party. But these aren't really conversations anymore are they more like repetitive rant's shouting down anyone who disagrees. I'm sure the same thing would happen regardless of the ruling party." You removed your OP Jools so how could most people know what the thread was supposed to be about ! | |||
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"No wonder the OP has quit this forum. Some absolute bollocks being written here that has nothing to do with their original post. Threads are like conversations, they can go off on tangents. Nothing wrong with that. Whilst I agree with you on conversations (which are normally face to face, or over a phone etc), I disagree on forums etc. They should be kept as reasonably close to the original subject post as possible. Or people just lose interest etc… This thread has almost 100 posts so hardly a loss of interest. The OP lost interest. Yeah but I guess this thread has proved my point very well. You could start a post about favourite apples and the conversation will be derailed very quickly. Obviously anti labour is the big one at the moment as they are the ruling party. But these aren't really conversations anymore are they more like repetitive rant's shouting down anyone who disagrees. I'm sure the same thing would happen regardless of the ruling party. You removed your OP Jools so how could most people know what the thread was supposed to be about ! " One can only try and make it out from the rest of the string. I think I just assumed it was a thread started by a Labour voter undergoing some internal trauma about the consequences of their bad decision making. | |||
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"No wonder the OP has quit this forum. Some absolute bollocks being written here that has nothing to do with their original post. Threads are like conversations, they can go off on tangents. Nothing wrong with that. Whilst I agree with you on conversations (which are normally face to face, or over a phone etc), I disagree on forums etc. They should be kept as reasonably close to the original subject post as possible. Or people just lose interest etc… This thread has almost 100 posts so hardly a loss of interest. The OP lost interest. Yeah but I guess this thread has proved my point very well. You could start a post about favourite apples and the conversation will be derailed very quickly. Obviously anti labour is the big one at the moment as they are the ruling party. But these aren't really conversations anymore are they more like repetitive rant's shouting down anyone who disagrees. I'm sure the same thing would happen regardless of the ruling party. You removed your OP Jools so how could most people know what the thread was supposed to be about ! One can only try and make it out from the rest of the string. I think I just assumed it was a thread started by a Labour voter undergoing some internal trauma about the consequences of their bad decision making." Bad decision making, you make me crease up | |||
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"No wonder the OP has quit this forum. Some absolute bollocks being written here that has nothing to do with their original post. Threads are like conversations, they can go off on tangents. Nothing wrong with that. Whilst I agree with you on conversations (which are normally face to face, or over a phone etc), I disagree on forums etc. They should be kept as reasonably close to the original subject post as possible. Or people just lose interest etc… This thread has almost 100 posts so hardly a loss of interest. The OP lost interest. Yeah but I guess this thread has proved my point very well. You could start a post about favourite apples and the conversation will be derailed very quickly. Obviously anti labour is the big one at the moment as they are the ruling party. But these aren't really conversations anymore are they more like repetitive rant's shouting down anyone who disagrees. I'm sure the same thing would happen regardless of the ruling party. You removed your OP Jools so how could most people know what the thread was supposed to be about ! One can only try and make it out from the rest of the string. I think I just assumed it was a thread started by a Labour voter undergoing some internal trauma about the consequences of their bad decision making. Bad decision making, you make me crease up "Tbh I think it’s time the 80% started demanding reparations from the Labour voters. | |||
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"No wonder the OP has quit this forum. Some absolute bollocks being written here that has nothing to do with their original post. Threads are like conversations, they can go off on tangents. Nothing wrong with that. Whilst I agree with you on conversations (which are normally face to face, or over a phone etc), I disagree on forums etc. They should be kept as reasonably close to the original subject post as possible. Or people just lose interest etc… This thread has almost 100 posts so hardly a loss of interest. The OP lost interest. Yeah but I guess this thread has proved my point very well. You could start a post about favourite apples and the conversation will be derailed very quickly. Obviously anti labour is the big one at the moment as they are the ruling party. But these aren't really conversations anymore are they more like repetitive rant's shouting down anyone who disagrees. I'm sure the same thing would happen regardless of the ruling party. You removed your OP Jools so how could most people know what the thread was supposed to be about ! One can only try and make it out from the rest of the string. I think I just assumed it was a thread started by a Labour voter undergoing some internal trauma about the consequences of their bad decision making. Bad decision making, you make me crease up
Tbh I think it’s time the 80% started demanding reparations from the Labour voters."
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"Good Lord! Labour only got elected for one reason, because the Tories were so rubbish. Now Labour have had enough time to show how rubbish they are. The two party system is over, and Reform UK will be the main beneficiary of this. We may well have to wait for 2028. Labour have this majority, just like the Tories before them. But the times are a changing, and Labour will wash up like so much plastic on the beaches, the Tories will remain unforgiven for their fourteen year fuckup, and the LibDems will do well to finish in fourth place. I’m looking forward to saying ‘I told you so.’" Politically I’m generally speaking a socialist/social democrat. I’m certainly not looking forward to an “I told you so moment”, I fear you may be right about a swing toward the reform party. The media could easily bury the Labour Party before the next election. Turnouts have dropped since Corbyn and the major parties have all haemorrhaged support. Farage is popular with people who were once core Labour and Tory voters. I don’t like it but it’s a reality we should consider. | |||
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"Tories under Bojo only got elected due to Brexit issue. Tories got re-elected as Corbyn wasn't a suitable opposition." I strongly disagree that corbyns Labour lost because he was unsuitable! The fact that his vote share was 40% in that first GE against May, just narrowly missed out on forming a government then by less than a million votes and then losing to bozo; who had the clout of the newspapers behind him, generating all those cunty catchphrases and soundbites at the time. Including favourites such as "get brexit done" and "levelling up". Yeah you got it done bud, in the most awfully botched fashion available to the majority of the UK, and all the plebs who aren't multimillionaires and went to publics school can suffer but it's their fault they're poor, so fuck them. But don't mind about bozo and brexit. If Corbyn had been PM of a government during 2017-2024 and on, the UK and it's general 'pleb population' might not be being made to suffer as much as it is now, and will do for the next few decades at least! Corbyn and his cabinet had a manifesto to directly tackle all the issues that are route cause of everything that makes 99% of the populations life as shit as it has become and worsening, had plans stop the companies that pay no tax in to the treasury, fraudulent banking activity that is going on in plain sight, especially if you live in London, renationalising public utilities, nuclear power/clean energy incentives that would have probably been built by now or due to opening. But don't let reality get in the way of the billionaires who own the tripe stations pumping out nonsense about "the brown people" that are "invading" and taking everyone's taxes. No, the venture capitalists would only have half of the finance they have now if they allow people like Corbyn, finance that still 99.99995714% will never come close to accumulating. He made it clear that he was going to stop the activity (accelerated after covid) to buy all the properties and land up, eventually making it impossible for anyone to compete. | |||
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" Labour have yet to prove they are rubbish. " They will prove to be rubbish though (for the common man, not the billionaire) They will fail, their policies are weak. Any of the other showers on offer will also be just as poor, reform, cons, libs, as they too will be tied by debt in 5 years, guided by their donation paymasters on policies that only benefit the top of the tree. | |||
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" Labour have yet to prove they are rubbish. They will prove to be rubbish though (for the common man, not the billionaire) They will fail, their policies are weak. Any of the other showers on offer will also be just as poor, reform, cons, libs, as they too will be tied by debt in 5 years, guided by their donation paymasters on policies that only benefit the top of the tree." Agree, we need to remember the slate does not get wiped clean on a change of government, the focus simply changes on where the money is spent. | |||
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