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"So looks like the UK and EU aren’t being invited to the Ukraine peace talks. So much for Labour’s “global leadership”. The EU seems to be demanding a seat at the table, like a bunch of sad ugly losers denied an invite to the cool kids’ party. They’ll probably turn up anyway and hang around outside. Humiliating." Do you think the UK should be invited? | |||
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"I'm no political analyst but I think it's irrelevant who attends peace talks as long as a peaceful resolution can be brought about and an end to the death and destruction of Ukrainians." Well with that kind of thinking should Ukrainians just give everything to Russia. Peace at any cost. | |||
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"So looks like the UK and EU aren’t being invited to the Ukraine peace talks. So much for Labour’s “global leadership”. The EU seems to be demanding a seat at the table, like a bunch of sad ugly losers denied an invite to the cool kids’ party. They’ll probably turn up anyway and hang around outside. Humiliating. Do you think the UK should be invited?" nope,not our circus, only other ones who need to be there are ukraine fuck all to do with anyone else | |||
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"Well the UK and EU have supplied political, military and welfare support for Ukraine from the outset, so why wouldn't they be involved in peace negotiations? Or are you happy with a trained KGB agent across the table from a TV reality show celeb?" he shpuldnt be there either it should be the trained kgb agent and the tv comedian from ukraine, if the comedian dosent want to and wants to carry on fighting yhats down to him but they are running out out bodies and will lose even more of there land | |||
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"Well the UK and EU have supplied political, military and welfare support for Ukraine from the outset, so why wouldn't they be involved in peace negotiations? Or are you happy with a trained KGB agent across the table from a TV reality show celeb?he shpuldnt be there either it should be the trained kgb agent and the tv comedian from ukraine, if the comedian dosent want to and wants to carry on fighting yhats down to him but they are running out out bodies and will lose even more of there land" Negotiations need an intermediary to reach a compromise, it's a question of who should be around the table. If Putin gets to keep his territorial gains, Eastern Europe is fvcked!! | |||
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"Well the UK and EU have supplied political, military and welfare support for Ukraine from the outset, so why wouldn't they be involved in peace negotiations? Or are you happy with a trained KGB agent across the table from a TV reality show celeb?he shpuldnt be there either it should be the trained kgb agent and the tv comedian from ukraine, if the comedian dosent want to and wants to carry on fighting yhats down to him but they are running out out bodies and will lose even more of there land Negotiations need an intermediary to reach a compromise, it's a question of who should be around the table. If Putin gets to keep his territorial gains, Eastern Europe is fvcked!!" what do you meen if he gets to keep them,what they have taken of the donbass and also crimea isnt getting given back you obviously havent been paying attention to what putin has said | |||
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"Am I being naive here? If the peace talks don't involve the Ukraine, UK and EU, and these don't like what's been decided, then these three can bunch together and the war continues. " Exactly. But the UK and EU probably can't make enough ammunition to supply Ukrain. So what trump wants is for these Nations to then buy it from the USA with the Trade tariffs that have been imposed so for the USA its a win Win. | |||
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"Well the UK and EU have supplied political, military and welfare support for Ukraine from the outset, so why wouldn't they be involved in peace negotiations? Or are you happy with a trained KGB agent across the table from a TV reality show celeb?he shpuldnt be there either it should be the trained kgb agent and the tv comedian from ukraine, if the comedian dosent want to and wants to carry on fighting yhats down to him but they are running out out bodies and will lose even more of there land Negotiations need an intermediary to reach a compromise, it's a question of who should be around the table. If Putin gets to keep his territorial gains, Eastern Europe is fvcked!!what do you meen if he gets to keep them,what they have taken of the donbass and also crimea isnt getting given back you obviously havent been paying attention to what putin has said" So dose Ucrane still control the bit of Russia they pushed in to and if so do they get to keep that land. Is this going to be the NEW WORLD ORDER. | |||
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"Am I being naive here? If the peace talks don't involve the Ukraine, UK and EU, and these don't like what's been decided, then these three can bunch together and the war continues. " Yes they could carry on. Good luck with that. According to polling that Lord Ashcroft has done in Ukraine, only 20% of Ukrainians think that they are likely to win a military victory. And a clear majority of Ukrainians want a diplomatic settlement. Maybe the UK and EU could carry on without Ukraine!? | |||
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"Am I being naive here? If the peace talks don't involve the Ukraine, UK and EU, and these don't like what's been decided, then these three can bunch together and the war continues. Yes they could carry on. Good luck with that. According to polling that Lord Ashcroft has done in Ukraine, only 20% of Ukrainians think that they are likely to win a military victory. And a clear majority of Ukrainians want a diplomatic settlement. Maybe the UK and EU could carry on without Ukraine!?" My point is, whatever the big bully boys decide at the table, it falls to the Ukraine to make the final decision. And war will depend on whether it has continued support from EU and UK. | |||
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"Well the UK and EU have supplied political, military and welfare support for Ukraine from the outset, so why wouldn't they be involved in peace negotiations? Or are you happy with a trained KGB agent across the table from a TV reality show celeb?he shpuldnt be there either it should be the trained kgb agent and the tv comedian from ukraine, if the comedian dosent want to and wants to carry on fighting yhats down to him but they are running out out bodies and will lose even more of there land Negotiations need an intermediary to reach a compromise, it's a question of who should be around the table. If Putin gets to keep his territorial gains, Eastern Europe is fvcked!!what do you meen if he gets to keep them,what they have taken of the donbass and also crimea isnt getting given back you obviously havent been paying attention to what putin has said So dose Ucrane still control the bit of Russia they pushed in to and if so do they get to keep that land. Is this going to be the NEW WORLD ORDER. " they still have troops there yes but the rusdians have pretty much cornerd them in, they have one way in and out and the russians have that coverd aswell so if supplies try coming in or troops try leaving its pretgy much a turkey shoot, putins plan has always been a war of attrition and the simple truth is they have more troops to waste than ukraine has so they have to ask themselves do they now want to throw there 18_25year old into the fight or do they want to keeo them from being casualties | |||
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"Am I being naive here? If the peace talks don't involve the Ukraine, UK and EU, and these don't like what's been decided, then these three can bunch together and the war continues. Yes they could carry on. Good luck with that. According to polling that Lord Ashcroft has done in Ukraine, only 20% of Ukrainians think that they are likely to win a military victory. And a clear majority of Ukrainians want a diplomatic settlement. Maybe the UK and EU could carry on without Ukraine!? My point is, whatever the big bully boys decide at the table, it falls to the Ukraine to make the final decision. And war will depend on whether it has continued support from EU and UK. " Well if the UK is going to start picking up the US slack I presume we are either going to have to cut public services or increase taxes some more to pay for it. Given the parlous state of the UK economy this doesn’t seem very likely. | |||
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"Am I being naive here? If the peace talks don't involve the Ukraine, UK and EU, and these don't like what's been decided, then these three can bunch together and the war continues. Yes they could carry on. Good luck with that. According to polling that Lord Ashcroft has done in Ukraine, only 20% of Ukrainians think that they are likely to win a military victory. And a clear majority of Ukrainians want a diplomatic settlement. Maybe the UK and EU could carry on without Ukraine!? My point is, whatever the big bully boys decide at the table, it falls to the Ukraine to make the final decision. And war will depend on whether it has continued support from EU and UK. " Ukrainians decision is key but they are not in a strong position. Without US support they will most likely loose even more ground, possibly all of it. European support is a fraction of what's needed. Unless European countries go onto a war footing to manufacture arms then they will never keep up. Unfortunately America is in a position to say to Ukraine, if you don't accept a deal we will halt all military support. At the same time they can say to the Russians, if you don't accept a deal then America will increase military support for Ukraine and maybe find more ways to hurt the Russian economy. Its a terrible situation and could well lead to Ukraine giving up lots of land and showing the world that aggression can pay | |||
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"The eu doesn’t want to see the end as they are all lining their pockets " Compared to the states? The trend in Europe and ourselves has been a reduction in development and production since the wall came down yet America largely due to it's interventions in the middle east has stayed well ahead .. | |||
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"USA aid to Ukraine $68bn EU €52bn UK £4.6bn AUS $1.1bn NZ $32m Japan $12bn humanitarian Seems fair that USA leads the negotiations given it has contributed more than everyone else combined. I don’t know what macron, starmer and others can influence over Trump (Stand to be corrected on any figs was a quick search) " I hadn't looked at the figures before but adding up your figures vs. that for the US gives approximately an equal share for both. I guess that the percentage of GDP would give us a better idea rather than brut totals. Even then, it depends how much the US feels that it should spend money on anywhere else than on themselves and that appears to be what they are getting at. If America intend to pull out of Europe then Europe needs to fill that void but also stop pandering to America. Ask them politely to remove their airbases and missile systems from our soil, stop buying American products etc. The World is changing and we ourselves need to change how we live and approach things. | |||
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"USA aid to Ukraine $68bn EU €52bn UK £4.6bn AUS $1.1bn NZ $32m Japan $12bn humanitarian Seems fair that USA leads the negotiations given it has contributed more than everyone else combined. I don’t know what macron, starmer and others can influence over Trump (Stand to be corrected on any figs was a quick search) I hadn't looked at the figures before but adding up your figures vs. that for the US gives approximately an equal share for both. I guess that the percentage of GDP would give us a better idea rather than brut totals. Even then, it depends how much the US feels that it should spend money on anywhere else than on themselves and that appears to be what they are getting at. If America intend to pull out of Europe then Europe needs to fill that void but also stop pandering to America. Ask them politely to remove their airbases and missile systems from our soil, stop buying American products etc. The World is changing and we ourselves need to change how we live and approach things." I also think (but am not positive) that individual countries within the EU have also contributed independently to support Ukraine (France, Germany, Finland, Poland etc.) which would increase the figures that Europe as a whole is providing in aid and support to Ukraine. | |||
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"USA aid to Ukraine $68bn EU €52bn UK £4.6bn AUS $1.1bn NZ $32m Japan $12bn humanitarian Seems fair that USA leads the negotiations given it has contributed more than everyone else combined. I don’t know what macron, starmer and others can influence over Trump (Stand to be corrected on any figs was a quick search) I hadn't looked at the figures before but adding up your figures vs. that for the US gives approximately an equal share for both. I guess that the percentage of GDP would give us a better idea rather than brut totals. Even then, it depends how much the US feels that it should spend money on anywhere else than on themselves and that appears to be what they are getting at. If America intend to pull out of Europe then Europe needs to fill that void but also stop pandering to America. Ask them politely to remove their airbases and missile systems from our soil, stop buying American products etc. The World is changing and we ourselves need to change how we live and approach things. I also think (but am not positive) that individual countries within the EU have also contributed independently to support Ukraine (France, Germany, Finland, Poland etc.) which would increase the figures that Europe as a whole is providing in aid and support to Ukraine." Looking still further into this the EU has apparently given 143bn euros in aid and support to Ukraine. Source Statista I guess Europe does deserve a seat at the table | |||
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"I'm no political analyst but I think it's irrelevant who attends peace talks as long as a peaceful resolution can be brought about and an end to the death and destruction of Ukrainians. Well with that kind of thinking should Ukrainians just give everything to Russia. Peace at any cost. " I don't think they have many choices, the Russians are grinding through Ukrainians and now they are grabbing people of the streets for the front lines and talks of lowering the age of conscription. Some people won't be satisfied until the Ukrainians have lost every fighting age man | |||
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"USA aid to Ukraine $68bn EU €52bn UK £4.6bn AUS $1.1bn NZ $32m Japan $12bn humanitarian Seems fair that USA leads the negotiations given it has contributed more than everyone else combined. I don’t know what macron, starmer and others can influence over Trump (Stand to be corrected on any figs was a quick search) I hadn't looked at the figures before but adding up your figures vs. that for the US gives approximately an equal share for both. I guess that the percentage of GDP would give us a better idea rather than brut totals. Even then, it depends how much the US feels that it should spend money on anywhere else than on themselves and that appears to be what they are getting at. If America intend to pull out of Europe then Europe needs to fill that void but also stop pandering to America. Ask them politely to remove their airbases and missile systems from our soil, stop buying American products etc. The World is changing and we ourselves need to change how we live and approach things. I also think (but am not positive) that individual countries within the EU have also contributed independently to support Ukraine (France, Germany, Finland, Poland etc.) which would increase the figures that Europe as a whole is providing in aid and support to Ukraine. Looking still further into this the EU has apparently given 143bn euros in aid and support to Ukraine. Source Statista I guess Europe does deserve a seat at the table " And Europe has taken 6M+ refugees, housed and looked after them. Seems catastrophic that trumps presumed carve up of Ukraine puts arguably some of the effort to little gain, those people can’t return to Donbas ever. | |||
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"NEW: Ukraine has NOT been invited to Ukraine peace talks. Zelenskyy to NBC just now: “I will never accept any decisions between United States & Russia about Ukraine. Never.” Clear message. Trump has NO mandate. My take on this is that Trump is going to agree with Putin on terms and present this to Ukraine and Europe on the basis of take it or leave it The leave it option means he pulls everything out of both Ukraine and Europe and increases tariffs against Europe. He will effectively force Europe into capitulation. Then what..." he'll just bankrupt himself if he closes the door to imports on that scale | |||
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"NEW: Ukraine has NOT been invited to Ukraine peace talks. Zelenskyy to NBC just now: “I will never accept any decisions between United States & Russia about Ukraine. Never.” Clear message. Trump has NO mandate. My take on this is that Trump is going to agree with Putin on terms and present this to Ukraine and Europe on the basis of take it or leave it The leave it option means he pulls everything out of both Ukraine and Europe and increases tariffs against Europe. He will effectively force Europe into capitulation. Then what..." News for Zelenskyy if he refuses; without USA military support the Ukraine will not be able to fight on. Europe will have a few meetings and handshakes but not commit enough. Trump and Putin have likely got this in the bag What at sad outcome for Ukraine. | |||
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"NEW: Ukraine has NOT been invited to Ukraine peace talks. Zelenskyy to NBC just now: “I will never accept any decisions between United States & Russia about Ukraine. Never.” Clear message. Trump has NO mandate. My take on this is that Trump is going to agree with Putin on terms and present this to Ukraine and Europe on the basis of take it or leave it The leave it option means he pulls everything out of both Ukraine and Europe and increases tariffs against Europe. He will effectively force Europe into capitulation. Then what..." When you say Trump will pull everything out of Europe do you think Trump will pull out of Mildonhall and Lakenheath. And everything that goes with it. | |||
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"NEW: Ukraine has NOT been invited to Ukraine peace talks. Zelenskyy to NBC just now: “I will never accept any decisions between United States & Russia about Ukraine. Never.” Clear message. Trump has NO mandate. My take on this is that Trump is going to agree with Putin on terms and present this to Ukraine and Europe on the basis of take it or leave it The leave it option means he pulls everything out of both Ukraine and Europe and increases tariffs against Europe. He will effectively force Europe into capitulation. Then what... News for Zelenskyy if he refuses; without USA military support the Ukraine will not be able to fight on. Europe will have a few meetings and handshakes but not commit enough. Trump and Putin have likely got this in the bag What at sad outcome for Ukraine. " Was always going to happen. Ukraine was lukewarm on this war but allowed themselves to be cajoled or bullied into it by Biden and Johnson. Ultimately Zelensky has to take the blame. It’s sad that so many people have died for nothing. | |||
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"NEW: Ukraine has NOT been invited to Ukraine peace talks. Zelenskyy to NBC just now: “I will never accept any decisions between United States & Russia about Ukraine. Never.” Clear message. Trump has NO mandate. My take on this is that Trump is going to agree with Putin on terms and present this to Ukraine and Europe on the basis of take it or leave it The leave it option means he pulls everything out of both Ukraine and Europe and increases tariffs against Europe. He will effectively force Europe into capitulation. Then what... News for Zelenskyy if he refuses; without USA military support the Ukraine will not be able to fight on. Europe will have a few meetings and handshakes but not commit enough. Trump and Putin have likely got this in the bag What at sad outcome for Ukraine. Was always going to happen. Ukraine was lukewarm on this war but allowed themselves to be cajoled or bullied into it by Biden and Johnson. Ultimately Zelensky has to take the blame. It’s sad that so many people have died for nothing." That seems to be the point so many are missing, approx 1m dead Ukrainians that didn't have to die. If they hold elections in Ukraine the winner might be happy to accept what ever peacedeal is done between the Americans and Russians | |||
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"According to the Telegraph a former Trump national security adviser has accused European countries of “having a temper tantrum” over not being invited to the Ukraine talks, and said they are suffering from “FOMO”. It does feel a bit like my neighbour has organised a big party and not invited me. So I organise my own party the same night and invite three people, and then spend the whole night looking out of the window to see what’s happening at the big party next door. " The glaringly obvious thing that is unfolding right before our eyes, is European countries running headlong into exactly the position Trump wants them in. They are promising to put troops in place as peacekeepers post any deal, and spend more on defence. Job done, next. | |||
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"According to the Telegraph a former Trump national security adviser has accused European countries of “having a temper tantrum” over not being invited to the Ukraine talks, and said they are suffering from “FOMO”. It does feel a bit like my neighbour has organised a big party and not invited me. So I organise my own party the same night and invite three people, and then spend the whole night looking out of the window to see what’s happening at the big party next door. The glaringly obvious thing that is unfolding right before our eyes, is European countries running headlong into exactly the position Trump wants them in. They are promising to put troops in place as peacekeepers post any deal, and spend more on defence. Job done, next. " Trump did not want Ukrain to join NATO. Why would he except NATO policing his borders He likes having a week Neighbour to bully he will not want a referee.. | |||
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"Contrary to what trump would have you believe… the uk and eu have actually spent more militarily on Ukraine than the US has (it’s about 55/45 European to US spending) Trump basically wants Russia’s natural and rare earth mineral deposits… and he is also going to try a use this to start separating the US from NATO…. It seem at this point a lot of Ukraine giving up lots and Russia giving up nothing…" of course ukraine are going to give up lots and russia give up nothing,theoretical in the strongest position always dictates the terms,I meen ukraine could ignore whatever is agreed but do they really want to carry on till the last ukrainian?if they do then have at it but they will be carrying on by themselves because if they stop getting us funding europe are not going to want to carry the can for to long | |||
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"Contrary to what trump would have you believe… the uk and eu have actually spent more militarily on Ukraine than the US has (it’s about 55/45 European to US spending) Trump basically wants Russia’s natural and rare earth mineral deposits… and he is also going to try a use this to start separating the US from NATO…. It seem at this point a lot of Ukraine giving up lots and Russia giving up nothing…" Ukraine have run up a bill of approx $120billion with the US alone, Zelensky is keen to use rare minerals as payment. Ukraine were never going to win this war and in my opinion should have come to the table 18 months ago. They would not have gained any more or less than they have now in terms of land, but they would have 10's of thousands of Ukrainian men still alive. | |||
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"Contrary to what trump would have you believe… the uk and eu have actually spent more militarily on Ukraine than the US has (it’s about 55/45 European to US spending) Trump basically wants Russia’s natural and rare earth mineral deposits… and he is also going to try a use this to start separating the US from NATO…. It seem at this point a lot of Ukraine giving up lots and Russia giving up nothing… Ukraine have run up a bill of approx $120billion with the US alone, Zelensky is keen to use rare minerals as payment. Ukraine were never going to win this war and in my opinion should have come to the table 18 months ago. They would not have gained any more or less than they have now in terms of land, but they would have 10's of thousands of Ukrainian men still alive." So if Russia do keep all the land they have taken what is to stop them next time. I'm probably wrong but it's like catching a crook and letting them keep what they have got. | |||
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"Contrary to what trump would have you believe… the uk and eu have actually spent more militarily on Ukraine than the US has (it’s about 55/45 European to US spending) Trump basically wants Russia’s natural and rare earth mineral deposits… and he is also going to try a use this to start separating the US from NATO…. It seem at this point a lot of Ukraine giving up lots and Russia giving up nothing… Ukraine have run up a bill of approx $120billion with the US alone, Zelensky is keen to use rare minerals as payment." What are the current seized Russian foreign currency assets balances. It was reported at $630bn a couple of years ago, I saw $330bn mentioned recently. Some was released to Ukraine by USA for non military use | |||
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"Contrary to what trump would have you believe… the uk and eu have actually spent more militarily on Ukraine than the US has (it’s about 55/45 European to US spending) Trump basically wants Russia’s natural and rare earth mineral deposits… and he is also going to try a use this to start separating the US from NATO…. It seem at this point a lot of Ukraine giving up lots and Russia giving up nothing… Ukraine have run up a bill of approx $120billion with the US alone, Zelensky is keen to use rare minerals as payment. Ukraine were never going to win this war and in my opinion should have come to the table 18 months ago. They would not have gained any more or less than they have now in terms of land, but they would have 10's of thousands of Ukrainian men still alive. So if Russia do keep all the land they have taken what is to stop them next time. I'm probably wrong but it's like catching a crook and letting them keep what they have got. " It looks like Europe have been caught sleeping on the job, become complacent and NATO is pretty useless when it comes to new members. Putin is no fool and knew what buttons to press, the challenge now is to workout how to protect European borders from Putin going forward. From the little I know about US ambition, it seems as though they would walk away from NATO. This is good news for Ukraine, it removes a blocker to NATO, the next step would then to agree the new borders with Russia and not dispute them. At that point European peace keepers protect the border while Ukraine apply to join NATO, the only thing that could stop this happening would be another member. If it was made clear that any country stopping Ukraine joining NATO was putting European security at risk, I think it could fly. Any future attempt by Putin or his successor would be met by a NATO response and be Europes problem to resolve. That is the perfect outcome from here, in my opinion. | |||
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"Contrary to what trump would have you believe… the uk and eu have actually spent more militarily on Ukraine than the US has (it’s about 55/45 European to US spending) Trump basically wants Russia’s natural and rare earth mineral deposits… and he is also going to try a use this to start separating the US from NATO…. It seem at this point a lot of Ukraine giving up lots and Russia giving up nothing… Ukraine have run up a bill of approx $120billion with the US alone, Zelensky is keen to use rare minerals as payment. Ukraine were never going to win this war and in my opinion should have come to the table 18 months ago. They would not have gained any more or less than they have now in terms of land, but they would have 10's of thousands of Ukrainian men still alive. So if Russia do keep all the land they have taken what is to stop them next time. I'm probably wrong but it's like catching a crook and letting them keep what they have got. " Russia will unequivocally keep the Donbas. No USA nato bases in Ukraine Some relaxation of sanctions USA likely to distance itself from EU No more USA weapons In exchange for no further Russian advancement Return of the reported 20,000 children held by Russia to Ukraine. Totally inequitable for Ukraine but Trump holds all the aces | |||
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"Contrary to what trump would have you believe… the uk and eu have actually spent more militarily on Ukraine than the US has (it’s about 55/45 European to US spending) Trump basically wants Russia’s natural and rare earth mineral deposits… and he is also going to try a use this to start separating the US from NATO…. It seem at this point a lot of Ukraine giving up lots and Russia giving up nothing… Ukraine have run up a bill of approx $120billion with the US alone, Zelensky is keen to use rare minerals as payment. What are the current seized Russian foreign currency assets balances. It was reported at $630bn a couple of years ago, I saw $330bn mentioned recently. Some was released to Ukraine by USA for non military use " $5 billion is held by the US, I believe. The EU holds most of it, there is a graph on the BBC website that shows the % ratio of support given by each country, the US leads that with nearly 43%. | |||
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"Contrary to what trump would have you believe… the uk and eu have actually spent more militarily on Ukraine than the US has (it’s about 55/45 European to US spending) Trump basically wants Russia’s natural and rare earth mineral deposits… and he is also going to try a use this to start separating the US from NATO…. It seem at this point a lot of Ukraine giving up lots and Russia giving up nothing… Ukraine have run up a bill of approx $120billion with the US alone, Zelensky is keen to use rare minerals as payment. Ukraine were never going to win this war and in my opinion should have come to the table 18 months ago. They would not have gained any more or less than they have now in terms of land, but they would have 10's of thousands of Ukrainian men still alive. So if Russia do keep all the land they have taken what is to stop them next time. I'm probably wrong but it's like catching a crook and letting them keep what they have got. " First it’s Ukraine.. then who’s next? Moldova? The Baltic states? Remember the man believes in a “greater Russia “ take all the bits back they lost! So what the deterrent if you reward him … remember who attacked who! | |||
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"Contrary to what trump would have you believe… the uk and eu have actually spent more militarily on Ukraine than the US has (it’s about 55/45 European to US spending) Trump basically wants Russia’s natural and rare earth mineral deposits… and he is also going to try a use this to start separating the US from NATO…. It seem at this point a lot of Ukraine giving up lots and Russia giving up nothing… Ukraine have run up a bill of approx $120billion with the US alone, Zelensky is keen to use rare minerals as payment. Ukraine were never going to win this war and in my opinion should have come to the table 18 months ago. They would not have gained any more or less than they have now in terms of land, but they would have 10's of thousands of Ukrainian men still alive. So if Russia do keep all the land they have taken what is to stop them next time. I'm probably wrong but it's like catching a crook and letting them keep what they have got. First it’s Ukraine.. then who’s next? Moldova? The Baltic states? Remember the man believes in a “greater Russia “ take all the bits back they lost! So what the deterrent if you reward him … remember who attacked who! " I think that is the wrong way to look at this, rewarding it is not. It has happened and we need to accept that or the only real alternative is to take the land back, which is not going to happen. As I mention a few posts up, Europe needs to learn and move quickly. | |||
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"Contrary to what trump would have you believe… the uk and eu have actually spent more militarily on Ukraine than the US has (it’s about 55/45 European to US spending) Trump basically wants Russia’s natural and rare earth mineral deposits… and he is also going to try a use this to start separating the US from NATO…. It seem at this point a lot of Ukraine giving up lots and Russia giving up nothing… Ukraine have run up a bill of approx $120billion with the US alone, Zelensky is keen to use rare minerals as payment. Ukraine were never going to win this war and in my opinion should have come to the table 18 months ago. They would not have gained any more or less than they have now in terms of land, but they would have 10's of thousands of Ukrainian men still alive. So if Russia do keep all the land they have taken what is to stop them next time. I'm probably wrong but it's like catching a crook and letting them keep what they have got. First it’s Ukraine.. then who’s next? Moldova? The Baltic states? Remember the man believes in a “greater Russia “ take all the bits back they lost! So what the deterrent if you reward him … remember who attacked who! I think that is the wrong way to look at this, rewarding it is not. It has happened and we need to accept that or the only real alternative is to take the land back, which is not going to happen. As I mention a few posts up, Europe needs to learn and move quickly. " I usually agree with you but in this case, what's stopping Ukraine taking back their territory using conventional weapons and their own manpower? | |||
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"Contrary to what trump would have you believe… the uk and eu have actually spent more militarily on Ukraine than the US has (it’s about 55/45 European to US spending) Trump basically wants Russia’s natural and rare earth mineral deposits… and he is also going to try a use this to start separating the US from NATO…. It seem at this point a lot of Ukraine giving up lots and Russia giving up nothing… Ukraine have run up a bill of approx $120billion with the US alone, Zelensky is keen to use rare minerals as payment. Ukraine were never going to win this war and in my opinion should have come to the table 18 months ago. They would not have gained any more or less than they have now in terms of land, but they would have 10's of thousands of Ukrainian men still alive. So if Russia do keep all the land they have taken what is to stop them next time. I'm probably wrong but it's like catching a crook and letting them keep what they have got. First it’s Ukraine.. then who’s next? Moldova? The Baltic states? Remember the man believes in a “greater Russia “ take all the bits back they lost! So what the deterrent if you reward him … remember who attacked who! I think that is the wrong way to look at this, rewarding it is not. It has happened and we need to accept that or the only real alternative is to take the land back, which is not going to happen. As I mention a few posts up, Europe needs to learn and move quickly. I usually agree with you but in this case, what's stopping Ukraine taking back their territory using conventional weapons and their own manpower?" What weapons? Most of what they are using is donated and useless without ammunition, they could need another 3 years supply of ammunition. If you think they could take back all the land in 3 years. Don't forget defence is easier then attack. | |||
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"Contrary to what trump would have you believe… the uk and eu have actually spent more militarily on Ukraine than the US has (it’s about 55/45 European to US spending) Trump basically wants Russia’s natural and rare earth mineral deposits… and he is also going to try a use this to start separating the US from NATO…. It seem at this point a lot of Ukraine giving up lots and Russia giving up nothing… Ukraine have run up a bill of approx $120billion with the US alone, Zelensky is keen to use rare minerals as payment. Ukraine were never going to win this war and in my opinion should have come to the table 18 months ago. They would not have gained any more or less than they have now in terms of land, but they would have 10's of thousands of Ukrainian men still alive. So if Russia do keep all the land they have taken what is to stop them next time. I'm probably wrong but it's like catching a crook and letting them keep what they have got. First it’s Ukraine.. then who’s next? Moldova? The Baltic states? Remember the man believes in a “greater Russia “ take all the bits back they lost! So what the deterrent if you reward him … remember who attacked who! I think that is the wrong way to look at this, rewarding it is not. It has happened and we need to accept that or the only real alternative is to take the land back, which is not going to happen. As I mention a few posts up, Europe needs to learn and move quickly. I usually agree with you but in this case, what's stopping Ukraine taking back their territory using conventional weapons and their own manpower? What weapons? Most of what they are using is donated and useless without ammunition, they could need another 3 years supply of ammunition. If you think they could take back all the land in 3 years. Don't forget defence is easier then attack." Weapons provided by the European countries that don't want to get too involved | |||
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"Contrary to what trump would have you believe… the uk and eu have actually spent more militarily on Ukraine than the US has (it’s about 55/45 European to US spending) Trump basically wants Russia’s natural and rare earth mineral deposits… and he is also going to try a use this to start separating the US from NATO…. It seem at this point a lot of Ukraine giving up lots and Russia giving up nothing… Ukraine have run up a bill of approx $120billion with the US alone, Zelensky is keen to use rare minerals as payment. Ukraine were never going to win this war and in my opinion should have come to the table 18 months ago. They would not have gained any more or less than they have now in terms of land, but they would have 10's of thousands of Ukrainian men still alive. So if Russia do keep all the land they have taken what is to stop them next time. I'm probably wrong but it's like catching a crook and letting them keep what they have got. First it’s Ukraine.. then who’s next? Moldova? The Baltic states? Remember the man believes in a “greater Russia “ take all the bits back they lost! So what the deterrent if you reward him … remember who attacked who! I think that is the wrong way to look at this, rewarding it is not. It has happened and we need to accept that or the only real alternative is to take the land back, which is not going to happen. As I mention a few posts up, Europe needs to learn and move quickly. I usually agree with you but in this case, what's stopping Ukraine taking back their territory using conventional weapons and their own manpower? What weapons? Most of what they are using is donated and useless without ammunition, they could need another 3 years supply of ammunition. If you think they could take back all the land in 3 years. Don't forget defence is easier then attack. Weapons provided by the European countries that don't want to get too involved " If EU supply Ukrain at the same rate it would be 50% less then Ukrane where getting. And I don't think the EU can manufacture anymore quicker. Even the US had to up production stocks are depleted right across Europe. | |||
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"Contrary to what trump would have you believe… the uk and eu have actually spent more militarily on Ukraine than the US has (it’s about 55/45 European to US spending) Trump basically wants Russia’s natural and rare earth mineral deposits… and he is also going to try a use this to start separating the US from NATO…. It seem at this point a lot of Ukraine giving up lots and Russia giving up nothing… Ukraine have run up a bill of approx $120billion with the US alone, Zelensky is keen to use rare minerals as payment. Ukraine were never going to win this war and in my opinion should have come to the table 18 months ago. They would not have gained any more or less than they have now in terms of land, but they would have 10's of thousands of Ukrainian men still alive. So if Russia do keep all the land they have taken what is to stop them next time. I'm probably wrong but it's like catching a crook and letting them keep what they have got. First it’s Ukraine.. then who’s next? Moldova? The Baltic states? Remember the man believes in a “greater Russia “ take all the bits back they lost! So what the deterrent if you reward him … remember who attacked who! I think that is the wrong way to look at this, rewarding it is not. It has happened and we need to accept that or the only real alternative is to take the land back, which is not going to happen. As I mention a few posts up, Europe needs to learn and move quickly. I usually agree with you but in this case, what's stopping Ukraine taking back their territory using conventional weapons and their own manpower? What weapons? Most of what they are using is donated and useless without ammunition, they could need another 3 years supply of ammunition. If you think they could take back all the land in 3 years. Don't forget defence is easier then attack. Weapons provided by the European countries that don't want to get too involved If EU supply Ukrain at the same rate it would be 50% less then Ukrane where getting. And I don't think the EU can manufacture anymore quicker. Even the US had to up production stocks are depleted right across Europe. " The European countries are in shit | |||
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"Contrary to what trump would have you believe… the uk and eu have actually spent more militarily on Ukraine than the US has (it’s about 55/45 European to US spending) Trump basically wants Russia’s natural and rare earth mineral deposits… and he is also going to try a use this to start separating the US from NATO…. It seem at this point a lot of Ukraine giving up lots and Russia giving up nothing… Ukraine have run up a bill of approx $120billion with the US alone, Zelensky is keen to use rare minerals as payment. Ukraine were never going to win this war and in my opinion should have come to the table 18 months ago. They would not have gained any more or less than they have now in terms of land, but they would have 10's of thousands of Ukrainian men still alive. So if Russia do keep all the land they have taken what is to stop them next time. I'm probably wrong but it's like catching a crook and letting them keep what they have got. First it’s Ukraine.. then who’s next? Moldova? The Baltic states? Remember the man believes in a “greater Russia “ take all the bits back they lost! So what the deterrent if you reward him … remember who attacked who! I think that is the wrong way to look at this, rewarding it is not. It has happened and we need to accept that or the only real alternative is to take the land back, which is not going to happen. As I mention a few posts up, Europe needs to learn and move quickly. I usually agree with you but in this case, what's stopping Ukraine taking back their territory using conventional weapons and their own manpower?" The problem Ukraine have is they are losing resource and land daily, and are in deep debt financially and with boots on th ground. 3 options exist as. I see it: 1) European countries take a firmer stance by putting troops into the combat zone and going to a potential war with Russia. 2) Stop arming Ukraine forcing them to accept they can't continue on the path they are on, bringing hostilities to a close with a loss of land and use political and diplomatic strength to bring Ukraine into NATO. 3) Ukraine go alone, it would turn into the usual gorilla warfare tactics that last for a decade or more. Option 1 is not an option in my opinion. Option 2 is a solution but needs smart leadership, something lacking in the EU. Option 3 is not likely to achieve results until Putin's demise. How option 2 could work hypothetically; as posted above. US walk away from NATO. This is good news for Ukraine, it removes a blocker to NATO, the next step would then to agree the new borders with Russia and not dispute them. This removes the NATO rule block of new members not being in dispute of land borders. At that point European peace keepers protect the border while Ukraine apply to join NATO, the only thing that could stop this happening would be another member. If it was made clear that any country stopping Ukraine joining NATO was putting European security at risk, I think it could fly. Any future attempt by Putin or his successor would be met by a NATO response and be Europes problem to resolve. Obviously these are my personal considered opinions and I could be a million miles away from the actual resolution or options, such is the complexity of this. More than happy to be challenged  | |||
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"Contrary to what trump would have you believe… the uk and eu have actually spent more militarily on Ukraine than the US has (it’s about 55/45 European to US spending) Trump basically wants Russia’s natural and rare earth mineral deposits… and he is also going to try a use this to start separating the US from NATO…. It seem at this point a lot of Ukraine giving up lots and Russia giving up nothing… Ukraine have run up a bill of approx $120billion with the US alone, Zelensky is keen to use rare minerals as payment. Ukraine were never going to win this war and in my opinion should have come to the table 18 months ago. They would not have gained any more or less than they have now in terms of land, but they would have 10's of thousands of Ukrainian men still alive. So if Russia do keep all the land they have taken what is to stop them next time. I'm probably wrong but it's like catching a crook and letting them keep what they have got. First it’s Ukraine.. then who’s next? Moldova? The Baltic states? Remember the man believes in a “greater Russia “ take all the bits back they lost! So what the deterrent if you reward him … remember who attacked who! I think that is the wrong way to look at this, rewarding it is not. It has happened and we need to accept that or the only real alternative is to take the land back, which is not going to happen. As I mention a few posts up, Europe needs to learn and move quickly. I usually agree with you but in this case, what's stopping Ukraine taking back their territory using conventional weapons and their own manpower? What weapons? Most of what they are using is donated and useless without ammunition, they could need another 3 years supply of ammunition. If you think they could take back all the land in 3 years. Don't forget defence is easier then attack. Weapons provided by the European countries that don't want to get too involved If EU supply Ukrain at the same rate it would be 50% less then Ukrane where getting. And I don't think the EU can manufacture anymore quicker. Even the US had to up production stocks are depleted right across Europe. " The bbc news last night said 42.7% of Ukraine’s military support has been from USA. And as you say they had to increase production. On a report a year ago one armaments factory said they could produce 9000 155mm shells a month while Russia was firing 6000 a day. | |||
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"Contrary to what trump would have you believe… the uk and eu have actually spent more militarily on Ukraine than the US has (it’s about 55/45 European to US spending) Trump basically wants Russia’s natural and rare earth mineral deposits… and he is also going to try a use this to start separating the US from NATO…. It seem at this point a lot of Ukraine giving up lots and Russia giving up nothing… Ukraine have run up a bill of approx $120billion with the US alone, Zelensky is keen to use rare minerals as payment. Ukraine were never going to win this war and in my opinion should have come to the table 18 months ago. They would not have gained any more or less than they have now in terms of land, but they would have 10's of thousands of Ukrainian men still alive. So if Russia do keep all the land they have taken what is to stop them next time. I'm probably wrong but it's like catching a crook and letting them keep what they have got. First it’s Ukraine.. then who’s next? Moldova? The Baltic states? Remember the man believes in a “greater Russia “ take all the bits back they lost! So what the deterrent if you reward him … remember who attacked who! I think that is the wrong way to look at this, rewarding it is not. It has happened and we need to accept that or the only real alternative is to take the land back, which is not going to happen. As I mention a few posts up, Europe needs to learn and move quickly. I usually agree with you but in this case, what's stopping Ukraine taking back their territory using conventional weapons and their own manpower? What weapons? Most of what they are using is donated and useless without ammunition, they could need another 3 years supply of ammunition. If you think they could take back all the land in 3 years. Don't forget defence is easier then attack. Weapons provided by the European countries that don't want to get too involved If EU supply Ukrain at the same rate it would be 50% less then Ukrane where getting. And I don't think the EU can manufacture anymore quicker. Even the US had to up production stocks are depleted right across Europe. The bbc news last night said 42.7% of Ukraine’s military support has been from USA. And as you say they had to increase production. On a report a year ago one armaments factory said they could produce 9000 155mm shells a month while Russia was firing 6000 a day. " And a 155mm shell costs about £500, so yes £3 million a day just in shells. An anti tank missile is like £10,000 each.a Javerlin missile is £150,000+ each. A round for an SLR rifle 7.25mm is about £5 each. | |||
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"So looks like the UK and EU aren’t being invited to the Ukraine peace talks. So much for Labour’s “global leadership”. The EU seems to be demanding a seat at the table, like a bunch of sad ugly losers denied an invite to the cool kids’ party. They’ll probably turn up anyway and hang around outside. Humiliating." What a silly comment…… trump / putin talks have absolutely nothing to do with labour, the uk or europe. | |||
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"Looks like another abject humiliation for Starmer in Europe. Not even Scholz, the man who has destroyed the German economy, is stupid enough to put “boots on the ground” in Ukraine." Europe is not getting it, neither is Starmer. They are all three years too late. Lavrov will negotiate a deal for Russia and Trump will stop Ukrainian weapons. Take it or leave it. | |||
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"Looks like another abject humiliation for Starmer in Europe. Not even Scholz, the man who has destroyed the German economy, is stupid enough to put “boots on the ground” in Ukraine. Europe is not getting it, neither is Starmer. They are all three years too late. Lavrov will negotiate a deal for Russia and Trump will stop Ukrainian weapons. Take it or leave it. " Don't know about the deal but Yes I do think the US will pull the plug and sooner than is expected. | |||
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"I'm no political analyst but I think it's irrelevant who attends peace talks as long as a peaceful resolution can be brought about and an end to the death and destruction of Ukrainians." This. | |||
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"Looks like another abject humiliation for Starmer in Europe. Not even Scholz, the man who has destroyed the German economy, is stupid enough to put “boots on the ground” in Ukraine." Scholz probably isn’t ping to have a say shortly. | |||
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"Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said his country won't accept peacekeeping forces from Nato countries in Ukraine under any peace deal" But it's ok for them to have North Korean troops in Russia? Double standards! | |||
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"Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said his country won't accept peacekeeping forces from Nato countries in Ukraine under any peace deal" Russia reminds me of the black knight in Monty Pythons Holy Grail. | |||
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"I suspect Putin wants back all that was once USSR and then he might want more, who is big enough to stop him." NATO.. | |||
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"Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said his country won't accept peacekeeping forces from Nato countries in Ukraine under any peace deal" This morning I read that Russia was not opposed to Ukraine joining the EU at some point. I guess they don't have any fears of the EU like they do NATO | |||
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"I suspect Putin wants back all that was once USSR and then he might want more, who is big enough to stop him. NATO.. " I'm starting to think NATO would fall apart with indecision if push came to shove. Ukraine could do worse than create some sort of East Europe Alliance, get Poland, the Baltics and Finland onboard, that would be a fearsome alliance. Putin thrives on exploiting indecision and weakness. A powerful Eastern European bloc / alliance, fully committed to self defence, would make any further expansion ambitions way off limits and close the door on his exploitation European inaction. | |||
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"I suspect Putin wants back all that was once USSR and then he might want more, who is big enough to stop him. NATO.. I'm starting to think NATO would fall apart with indecision if push came to shove. Ukraine could do worse than create some sort of East Europe Alliance, get Poland, the Baltics and Finland onboard, that would be a fearsome alliance. Putin thrives on exploiting indecision and weakness. A powerful Eastern European bloc / alliance, fully committed to self defence, would make any further expansion ambitions way off limits and close the door on his exploitation European inaction. " There seem to all sorts of sub-alliances forming across Europe on an almost daily basis. This probably explains why the US has decided to ignore them. They couldn’t organise the proverbial piss-up. Telegraph reports that Macron is trying to set himself up as “Europe’s strong man” lol. | |||
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"I suspect Putin wants back all that was once USSR and then he might want more, who is big enough to stop him. NATO.. I'm starting to think NATO would fall apart with indecision if push came to shove. Ukraine could do worse than create some sort of East Europe Alliance, get Poland, the Baltics and Finland onboard, that would be a fearsome alliance. Putin thrives on exploiting indecision and weakness. A powerful Eastern European bloc / alliance, fully committed to self defence, would make any further expansion ambitions way off limits and close the door on his exploitation European inaction. There seem to all sorts of sub-alliances forming across Europe on an almost daily basis. This probably explains why the US has decided to ignore them. They couldn’t organise the proverbial piss-up. Telegraph reports that Macron is trying to set himself up as “Europe’s strong man” lol." Europe feels like extreme proportional representation, with Macron trying to herd cats as a mouse. | |||
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"Well the UK and EU have supplied political, military and welfare support for Ukraine from the outset, so why wouldn't they be involved in peace negotiations? Or are you happy with a trained KGB agent across the table from a TV reality show celeb?" Prehaps if France along with the UK and Germany had not supported the war and let them get on with it. Russia would have got what they wanted. Instead of giving aid to Ukraine prehaps Europe should have said let's get around a table and sort this out. Now 3yrs on that's exactly what they want to do. The whole thing is a joke. The president of Ukraine is a greedy person cap in hand asking for more weapons. Yes The USA under Biden did support Ukraine now he has gone its down to Trump to sort the mess out. I think Stammer will leave Washington next week with his French poddle both with their tails between their legs. | |||
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"Well the UK and EU have supplied political, military and welfare support for Ukraine from the outset, so why wouldn't they be involved in peace negotiations? Or are you happy with a trained KGB agent across the table from a TV reality show celeb? Prehaps if France along with the UK and Germany had not supported the war and let them get on with it. Russia would have got what they wanted. Instead of giving aid to Ukraine prehaps Europe should have said let's get around a table and sort this out. Now 3yrs on that's exactly what they want to do. The whole thing is a joke. The president of Ukraine is a greedy person cap in hand asking for more weapons. Yes The USA under Biden did support Ukraine now he has gone its down to Trump to sort the mess out. I think Stammer will leave Washington next week with his French poddle both with their tails between their legs. " On the latter yes. Reported in todays paper Starmer so weak he won’t challenge Trump on his comments. | |||
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"I suspect Putin wants back all that was once USSR and then he might want more, who is big enough to stop him. NATO.. I'm starting to think NATO would fall apart with indecision if push came to shove. Ukraine could do worse than create some sort of East Europe Alliance, get Poland, the Baltics and Finland onboard, that would be a fearsome alliance. Putin thrives on exploiting indecision and weakness. A powerful Eastern European bloc / alliance, fully committed to self defence, would make any further expansion ambitions way off limits and close the door on his exploitation European inaction. " can't see how they would get Poland on board they have already said they will keep supporting ukraine as they are now,but if there is a peace keeping force that will enter ukraine they will not be sending any of there troops into ukraine,so really can't see them entering a security alliance with them | |||
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"I suspect Putin wants back all that was once USSR and then he might want more, who is big enough to stop him. NATO.. I'm starting to think NATO would fall apart with indecision if push came to shove. Ukraine could do worse than create some sort of East Europe Alliance, get Poland, the Baltics and Finland onboard, that would be a fearsome alliance. Putin thrives on exploiting indecision and weakness. A powerful Eastern European bloc / alliance, fully committed to self defence, would make any further expansion ambitions way off limits and close the door on his exploitation European inaction. can't see how they would get Poland on board they have already said they will keep supporting ukraine as they are now,but if there is a peace keeping force that will enter ukraine they will not be sending any of there troops into ukraine,so really can't see them entering a security alliance with them" Poland will change their course as the situation unfolds with Ukraine and Russia. Right now they have no reason to rock the boat with a large military and being a NATO member. That potentially could change if NATO show weakness along with Western European countries. | |||
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"Contrary to what trump would have you believe… the uk and eu have actually spent more militarily on Ukraine than the US has (it’s about 55/45 European to US spending) Trump basically wants Russia’s natural and rare earth mineral deposits… and he is also going to try a use this to start separating the US from NATO…. It seem at this point a lot of Ukraine giving up lots and Russia giving up nothing… Ukraine have run up a bill of approx $120billion with the US alone, Zelensky is keen to use rare minerals as payment. Ukraine were never going to win this war and in my opinion should have come to the table 18 months ago. They would not have gained any more or less than they have now in terms of land, but they would have 10's of thousands of Ukrainian men still alive. So if Russia do keep all the land they have taken what is to stop them next time. I'm probably wrong but it's like catching a crook and letting them keep what they have got. It looks like Europe have been caught sleeping on the job, become complacent and NATO is pretty useless when it comes to new members. Putin is no fool and knew what buttons to press, the challenge now is to workout how to protect European borders from Putin going forward. From the little I know about US ambition, it seems as though they would walk away from NATO. This is good news for Ukraine, it removes a blocker to NATO, the next step would then to agree the new borders with Russia and not dispute them. At that point European peace keepers protect the border while Ukraine apply to join NATO, the only thing that could stop this happening would be another member. If it was made clear that any country stopping Ukraine joining NATO was putting European security at risk, I think it could fly. Any future attempt by Putin or his successor would be met by a NATO response and be Europes problem to resolve. That is the perfect outcome from here, in my opinion. " Sounds a bit like the same house of cards that led to WWI.  | |||
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"Contrary to what trump would have you believe… the uk and eu have actually spent more militarily on Ukraine than the US has (it’s about 55/45 European to US spending) Trump basically wants Russia’s natural and rare earth mineral deposits… and he is also going to try a use this to start separating the US from NATO…. It seem at this point a lot of Ukraine giving up lots and Russia giving up nothing… Ukraine have run up a bill of approx $120billion with the US alone, Zelensky is keen to use rare minerals as payment. Ukraine were never going to win this war and in my opinion should have come to the table 18 months ago. They would not have gained any more or less than they have now in terms of land, but they would have 10's of thousands of Ukrainian men still alive. So if Russia do keep all the land they have taken what is to stop them next time. I'm probably wrong but it's like catching a crook and letting them keep what they have got. It looks like Europe have been caught sleeping on the job, become complacent and NATO is pretty useless when it comes to new members. Putin is no fool and knew what buttons to press, the challenge now is to workout how to protect European borders from Putin going forward. From the little I know about US ambition, it seems as though they would walk away from NATO. This is good news for Ukraine, it removes a blocker to NATO, the next step would then to agree the new borders with Russia and not dispute them. At that point European peace keepers protect the border while Ukraine apply to join NATO, the only thing that could stop this happening would be another member. If it was made clear that any country stopping Ukraine joining NATO was putting European security at risk, I think it could fly. Any future attempt by Putin or his successor would be met by a NATO response and be Europes problem to resolve. That is the perfect outcome from here, in my opinion. Sounds a bit like the same house of cards that led to WWI. "It's posable worse than that as once Germany has had Election on Sunday it could take Up to a month to form a working government so for the time being need to exclude Germany. | |||
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"And now I suppose we have seen it all…. On the 3rd anniversary, at the United Nations, the Ukrainians wrote an resolution calling on Russia to withdraw from Ukraine and go back to the original borders pre war Symbolic if nothing else The US sided with Russia, and a handful of other countries… and voted against the resolution Disgusted, have to say I am ashamed " It's a bit of a low for the country, very poor.. | |||
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"And now I suppose we have seen it all…. On the 3rd anniversary, at the United Nations, the Ukrainians wrote an resolution calling on Russia to withdraw from Ukraine and go back to the original borders pre war Symbolic if nothing else The US sided with Russia, and a handful of other countries… and voted against the resolution Disgusted, have to say I am ashamed " This part of the story…. There were 3 resolutions Ukrainian, US and European, the European resolution was passed. As you would expect, Ukraines resolution was worded hard in terms of Russian aggression, the US resolution omitted aggression and European was the middle ground. So it is a resounding fail for the US. | |||
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"And now I suppose we have seen it all…. On the 3rd anniversary, at the United Nations, the Ukrainians wrote an resolution calling on Russia to withdraw from Ukraine and go back to the original borders pre war Symbolic if nothing else The US sided with Russia, and a handful of other countries… and voted against the resolution Disgusted, have to say I am ashamed " I think it was 93-18 with 65 abstentions. Not quite “a handful”. More likely four handfuls and a whole load of not bothered either ways. Outside of Europe and a few anglosphere countries I doubt whether anybody much cares about Ukraine. It has never been the case that “the entire world” stands against Russia, which is the propaganda we have been subjected to. The US needs to tread carefully with Russia if it wants to get a peace deal. Understandable that it doesn’t want to offend them when it has just restarted relations. | |||
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"So how do you do a deal where Putin is not humiliated to his nation, but Ukraine feel thay have Won. If Putin feels Humiliated I guess he will not stop, if Ukraine feal they have lost they will want revenge. This s so hard to ballance. " I suppose Putin will call it a win if he keeps Crimea Zelenski could call it a win by fending off a total invasion. Like you say it's really tricky especially due to the huge casualties | |||
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"I think Putin lost when he invaded, just showed himself to be a little Napoleon. Zelensky won as he stuck to his guns and hasn't embarrassed his people or himself unlike Putin. Alcohol is killing Putin he'll be dead soon. I say keep pushing the Russians back and don't give in." There have been reports that Putin will be dead soon because……. For 20 years now. There’s even a page dedicated to the subject on Wikipedia “Claims of Vladimir Putin’s incapacity and death”. | |||
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"Anyone think this is the greatest shuffle ever seen? US forces Ukraines hand, gets a tonne of minerals (as Russia won't attack US companies - but they did in their invasion), Greenland is suddenly forgotten as everyone is talking about peace - but Trump has said he'll be bringing in tariffs early april for the EU, as though there's no deal making to be had.. he's also relaxing on China and any Taiwan tensions. So the US is getting what it wants, and if Russia plays nicely it'll likely get what it wants, the US is smiling, shaking hands and back slapping but I doubt will be any ally.. his mandate is allowing him to."
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"Anyone think this is the greatest shuffle ever seen? US forces Ukraines hand, gets a tonne of minerals (as Russia won't attack US companies - but they did in their invasion), Greenland is suddenly forgotten as everyone is talking about peace - but Trump has said he'll be bringing in tariffs early april for the EU, as though there's no deal making to be had.. he's also relaxing on China and any Taiwan tensions. So the US is getting what it wants, and if Russia plays nicely it'll likely get what it wants, the US is smiling, shaking hands and back slapping but I doubt will be any ally.. his mandate is allowing him to.
It's very offensive, as a bystander, seeing him eager to profit from the misery of others, at minimal risk to himself. Or even much effort. Not that we've got an end to the war even "Couldn't agree more, there's a lot on this thread, it's great to read but as far as peace. Russia is aligned with NK, Belarus, Iran, all of them want more weapons and nuclear one at that. I hope there's some sensible heads somewhere with a long view of things | |||
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"Anyone think this is the greatest shuffle ever seen? US forces Ukraines hand, gets a tonne of minerals (as Russia won't attack US companies - but they did in their invasion), Greenland is suddenly forgotten as everyone is talking about peace - but Trump has said he'll be bringing in tariffs early april for the EU, as though there's no deal making to be had.. he's also relaxing on China and any Taiwan tensions. So the US is getting what it wants, and if Russia plays nicely it'll likely get what it wants, the US is smiling, shaking hands and back slapping but I doubt will be any ally.. his mandate is allowing him to.
It's very offensive, as a bystander, seeing him eager to profit from the misery of others, at minimal risk to himself. Or even much effort. Not that we've got an end to the war even "What is the profit he is eager to obtain from the misery of others? Are you referring to the money Ukraine owe the US and the payback that was suggested by Zelensky, rare minerals? | |||
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"I think Putin lost when he invaded, just showed himself to be a little Napoleon. Zelensky won as he stuck to his guns and hasn't embarrassed his people or himself unlike Putin. Alcohol is killing Putin he'll be dead soon. I say keep pushing the Russians back and don't give in. There have been reports that Putin will be dead soon because……. For 20 years now. There’s even a page dedicated to the subject on Wikipedia “Claims of Vladimir Putin’s incapacity and death”." I remember when this war started a lot of the experts on here saying how the sanctions would bring Russia's ability to fight to a standstill. The Russians would rise up against him etc. Like you said people reading too much biased media reporting. | |||
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"Anyone think this is the greatest shuffle ever seen? US forces Ukraines hand, gets a tonne of minerals (as Russia won't attack US companies - but they did in their invasion), Greenland is suddenly forgotten as everyone is talking about peace - but Trump has said he'll be bringing in tariffs early april for the EU, as though there's no deal making to be had.. he's also relaxing on China and any Taiwan tensions. So the US is getting what it wants, and if Russia plays nicely it'll likely get what it wants, the US is smiling, shaking hands and back slapping but I doubt will be any ally.. his mandate is allowing him to.
It's very offensive, as a bystander, seeing him eager to profit from the misery of others, at minimal risk to himself. Or even much effort. Not that we've got an end to the war even
What is the profit he is eager to obtain from the misery of others? Are you referring to the money Ukraine owe the US and the payback that was suggested by Zelensky, rare minerals?"People are dying. These aren't soldiers, these are teachers, mechanics, shop workers, every day citizens stepping up to defend their country. It shouldn't need to be said that with US support Ukraine will fall. Trump saying what he's said, under these terms, at this time, with nothing on Russia - yeah he's profiting on misery. It isn't hard to understand that. | |||
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"Three years the USA and EU have had to sort this out. Sent inadequate weapons in inadequate quantity, never enough to have the upper hand EU could have brought Ukraine in sooner, helped them to deal with human rights violations and corruption. Now their military is depleted, economy collapsed, reliant on foreign aid and support, whatever the outcome now the borders will be future security risks, USA withdrawing support the nail in Ukraine's coffin. The bbc report on Ukraine’s minerals does not show them in abundant supply although it may be enough to repay the lend lease if the money and infastructure put in place to mine them. What a mess. " Yes the EU and USA to blame. Fortunately the UK is a sovereign nation and has nothing to do with any of this or any responsibilities - or did I misunderstand your post? | |||
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"Well the UK and EU have supplied political, military and welfare support for Ukraine from the outset, so why wouldn't they be involved in peace negotiations? Or are you happy with a trained KGB agent across the table from a TV reality show celeb?" That’s the first sensible comment I’ve seen. GDP percentage wise GB and EU have made a significant contribution to Ukraine and are not demanding to be paid back by war ravaged Ukraine; whereas Trump is demanding a huge price with no promise of helping with it’s security. There’s either something we don’t know or he’s the arrogant, unthinking lunatic that many have branded him previously. Openly criticising the Ukraine leadership and siding with the snake Putin is tantamount to treason to western civilisation and pretty much beyond belief. | |||
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"Three years the USA and EU have had to sort this out. Sent inadequate weapons in inadequate quantity, never enough to have the upper hand EU could have brought Ukraine in sooner, helped them to deal with human rights violations and corruption. Now their military is depleted, economy collapsed, reliant on foreign aid and support, whatever the outcome now the borders will be future security risks, USA withdrawing support the nail in Ukraine's coffin. The bbc report on Ukraine’s minerals does not show them in abundant supply although it may be enough to repay the lend lease if the money and infastructure put in place to mine them. What a mess. Yes the EU and USA to blame. Fortunately the UK is a sovereign nation and has nothing to do with any of this or any responsibilities - or did I misunderstand your post?" Uk co signatory to 1994 Budapest memorandum | |||
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It's very offensive, as a bystander, seeing him eager to profit from the misery of others, at minimal risk to himself. Or even much effort. Not that we've got an end to the war even
What is the profit he is eager to obtain from the misery of others? Are you referring to the money Ukraine owe the US and the payback that was suggested by Zelensky, rare minerals?
People are dying. These aren't soldiers, these are teachers, mechanics, shop workers, every day citizens stepping up to defend their country. It shouldn't need to be said that with US support Ukraine will fall. Trump saying what he's said, under these terms, at this time, with nothing on Russia - yeah he's profiting on misery. It isn't hard to understand that. "You do understand that the war started outside of Trump's tenure? Zelensky is making the decisions along with Putin about who or who does not go to the front line and how long they will fight on for. Ukraine offered the minerals towards payment for the billions they have had in arms and support. That is the position, Trump has come along and said I'm not going to continue to fund this war and threw out a challenge to Europe to wake up and start defending its borders. War is a dirty hell, Trump looks to be bringing it to an end, and yet you blame him for the deaths of people going to war? The dislike for Trump really does skew the narrative doesn't it. | |||
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"Well the UK and EU have supplied political, military and welfare support for Ukraine from the outset, so why wouldn't they be involved in peace negotiations? Or are you happy with a trained KGB agent across the table from a TV reality show celeb? That’s the first sensible comment I’ve seen. GDP percentage wise GB and EU have made a significant contribution to Ukraine and are not demanding to be paid back by war ravaged Ukraine; whereas Trump is demanding a huge price with no promise of helping with it’s security. There’s either something we don’t know or he’s the arrogant, unthinking lunatic that many have branded him previously. Openly criticising the Ukraine leadership and siding with the snake Putin is tantamount to treason to western civilisation and pretty much beyond belief. " You are mistaken, Europe and the EU want minerals as payment for the billions sent in arms and support. They are calling it a win win. | |||
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"Anyone think this is the greatest shuffle ever seen? US forces Ukraines hand, gets a tonne of minerals (as Russia won't attack US companies - but they did in their invasion), Greenland is suddenly forgotten as everyone is talking about peace - but Trump has said he'll be bringing in tariffs early april for the EU, as though there's no deal making to be had.. he's also relaxing on China and any Taiwan tensions. So the US is getting what it wants, and if Russia plays nicely it'll likely get what it wants, the US is smiling, shaking hands and back slapping but I doubt will be any ally.. his mandate is allowing him to.
It's very offensive, as a bystander, seeing him eager to profit from the misery of others, at minimal risk to himself. Or even much effort. Not that we've got an end to the war even
What is the profit he is eager to obtain from the misery of others? Are you referring to the money Ukraine owe the US and the payback that was suggested by Zelensky, rare minerals?
People are dying. These aren't soldiers, these are teachers, mechanics, shop workers, every day citizens stepping up to defend their country. It shouldn't need to be said that with US support Ukraine will fall. Trump saying what he's said, under these terms, at this time, with nothing on Russia - yeah he's profiting on misery. It isn't hard to understand that.
You do understand that the war started outside of Trump's tenure? Zelensky is making the decisions along with Putin about who or who does not go to the front line and how long they will fight on for.
Ukraine offered the minerals towards payment for the billions they have had in arms and support.
That is the position, Trump has come along and said I'm not going to continue to fund this war and threw out a challenge to Europe to wake up and start defending its borders.
War is a dirty hell, Trump looks to be bringing it to an end, and yet you blame him for the deaths of people going to war?
The dislike for Trump really does skew the narrative doesn't it. "I can imagine the phone call .. Hey Don, Vlad? No it's Vlod. Hey Vlad. Don, I think we owe you some money. With interest Vlad/Vlod?? Yeah ok Don, see you Fri. | |||
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"Anyone think this is the greatest shuffle ever seen? US forces Ukraines hand, gets a tonne of minerals (as Russia won't attack US companies - but they did in their invasion), Greenland is suddenly forgotten as everyone is talking about peace - but Trump has said he'll be bringing in tariffs early april for the EU, as though there's no deal making to be had.. he's also relaxing on China and any Taiwan tensions. So the US is getting what it wants, and if Russia plays nicely it'll likely get what it wants, the US is smiling, shaking hands and back slapping but I doubt will be any ally.. his mandate is allowing him to.
It's very offensive, as a bystander, seeing him eager to profit from the misery of others, at minimal risk to himself. Or even much effort. Not that we've got an end to the war even
What is the profit he is eager to obtain from the misery of others? Are you referring to the money Ukraine owe the US and the payback that was suggested by Zelensky, rare minerals?
People are dying. These aren't soldiers, these are teachers, mechanics, shop workers, every day citizens stepping up to defend their country. It shouldn't need to be said that with US support Ukraine will fall. Trump saying what he's said, under these terms, at this time, with nothing on Russia - yeah he's profiting on misery. It isn't hard to understand that.
You do understand that the war started outside of Trump's tenure? Zelensky is making the decisions along with Putin about who or who does not go to the front line and how long they will fight on for.
Ukraine offered the minerals towards payment for the billions they have had in arms and support.
That is the position, Trump has come along and said I'm not going to continue to fund this war and threw out a challenge to Europe to wake up and start defending its borders.
War is a dirty hell, Trump looks to be bringing it to an end, and yet you blame him for the deaths of people going to war?
The dislike for Trump really does skew the narrative doesn't it.
I can imagine the phone call ..
Hey Don,
Vlad?
No it's Vlod.
Hey Vlad.
Don, I think we owe you some money.
With interest Vlad/Vlod??
Yeah ok Don, see you Fri.
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" You seem to associate the deal with Trump making a profit at the expense of Ukraine, when it was Zelensky that offered up the deal to Trump. Do you have any thoughts on Europe taking payment through minerals, or actually what the likely outcome is when the US and European countries begin to take the minerals? The deals being discussed now will bring many geopolitical implications way beyond "Trump is bad"" You write like ChatGPT. "Deals" being done now hove zero implication bar robbing a nation on it's knees. Any deal with the EU will no doubt boost EU spend - it goes hand in hand. You detract well but subvert wider implication, that of defence of allies and the new Trump norm. Is this new norm a pull back from historic relationships before financial agreement is understood. A rinsing of hands on education, health, infrastructure, agriculture, (foreign aid) as it's "not my job" unless there is like for like gain. It'd be a turn around for Starmer to make one of these deals or pull boats out of the South China Sea & the Red Sea leaving the US to defend interests in the name of peace. | |||
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" You seem to associate the deal with Trump making a profit at the expense of Ukraine, when it was Zelensky that offered up the deal to Trump. Do you have any thoughts on Europe taking payment through minerals, or actually what the likely outcome is when the US and European countries begin to take the minerals? The deals being discussed now will bring many geopolitical implications way beyond "Trump is bad" You write like ChatGPT. "Deals" being done now hove zero implication bar robbing a nation on it's knees. Any deal with the EU will no doubt boost EU spend - it goes hand in hand. You detract well but subvert wider implication, that of defence of allies and the new Trump norm. Is this new norm a pull back from historic relationships before financial agreement is understood. A rinsing of hands on education, health, infrastructure, agriculture, (foreign aid) as it's "not my job" unless there is like for like gain. It'd be a turn around for Starmer to make one of these deals or pull boats out of the South China Sea & the Red Sea leaving the US to defend interests in the name of peace." PMSL ChatGPT!!  AI needs to move on if that is what you think
You might need to rethink about deals being done now and the implications of them. Looking at things on a surface level isn't going to help here, or emotional one sided thinking.
Biden was being heavily criticised for the amount of money he was providing Ukraine for arms, why? Because it was prolonging the inevitable, and it was placing the future of Ukraine under debt pressure.
That led Zelensky to offer a mineral deal, that plays right into Trump, it plays in the Europeans too but you seem to think one is okay and the other not
What you are also not considering is how the minerals will be collected, do you think they are sitting on a shelf waiting to be shipped? The US and EU will mine those areas for minerals, putting nationals and business on the ground in Ukraine, that in itself is a Russian deterrent, did you not think why Putin was saying you can take them from the land we have in Ukraine....
To finish this off, Why does Trump want his hands on Greenland, and why does he have eyes on China? Minerals used for tech and arms, China is restricting them and the US is becoming reliant, but China can call the shots and the price.... When Zelensky offered mineral access for debt he knew it was something that would tick all the boxes and not just for the US.....
So now I have laid that out, pick it apart with logical argument or offer up an alternative way out for Ukraine that provides a deterrent to Russia and a way of paying off their enormous debts without crippling their economy as it stands today, whilst removing the threat of China's dominance..
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" You seem to associate the deal with Trump making a profit at the expense of Ukraine, when it was Zelensky that offered up the deal to Trump. Do you have any thoughts on Europe taking payment through minerals, or actually what the likely outcome is when the US and European countries begin to take the minerals? The deals being discussed now will bring many geopolitical implications way beyond "Trump is bad" You write like ChatGPT. "Deals" being done now hove zero implication bar robbing a nation on it's knees. Any deal with the EU will no doubt boost EU spend - it goes hand in hand. You detract well but subvert wider implication, that of defence of allies and the new Trump norm. Is this new norm a pull back from historic relationships before financial agreement is understood. A rinsing of hands on education, health, infrastructure, agriculture, (foreign aid) as it's "not my job" unless there is like for like gain. It'd be a turn around for Starmer to make one of these deals or pull boats out of the South China Sea & the Red Sea leaving the US to defend interests in the name of peace. PMSL ChatGPT!! AI needs to move on if that is what you think
You might need to rethink about deals being done now and the implications of them. Looking at things on a surface level isn't going to help here, or emotional one sided thinking.
Biden was being heavily criticised for the amount of money he was providing Ukraine for arms, why? Because it was prolonging the inevitable, and it was placing the future of Ukraine under debt pressure.
That led Zelensky to offer a mineral deal, that plays right into Trump, it plays in the Europeans too but you seem to think one is okay and the other not
What you are also not considering is how the minerals will be collected, do you think they are sitting on a shelf waiting to be shipped? The US and EU will mine those areas for minerals, putting nationals and business on the ground in Ukraine, that in itself is a Russian deterrent, did you not think why Putin was saying you can take them from the land we have in Ukraine....
To finish this off, Why does Trump want his hands on Greenland, and why does he have eyes on China? Minerals used for tech and arms, China is restricting them and the US is becoming reliant, but China can call the shots and the price.... When Zelensky offered mineral access for debt he knew it was something that would tick all the boxes and not just for the US.....
So now I have laid that out, pick it apart with logical argument or offer up an alternative way out for Ukraine that provides a deterrent to Russia and a way of paying off their enormous debts without crippling their economy as it stands today, whilst removing the threat of China's dominance..
"You don't really give a logical argument. You just champion a political leader. Biden held up by Republicans over the joint Ukraine/Israel security package. Their pushback led to arms delays and Russia taking the land they've now captured. What led to Zelenskyy offering land is a change of US governance and him knowing he doesn't have Trumps support. He's offered to step down for NATO approval. The US have just chopped out the security guarantee he wanted alongside. Whether he gets it remains to be seen. Russia doesn't have right to say what happens to any land in Ukraine, just an FYI...they invaded. It's like me nicking your TV and renting it out. The only reason China is restricting minerals is because the US put restrictions on semiconductors. The US wants greater self reliance, that was under the Biden admin. It's strange you put Trump on such a pedestal but think leaders of other countries should have such little respect either on a global scale or to their own citizens security. I've said above he's sticking to his mandate, I've also said above the US having US co's in Ukraine are no security guarantee as was seen when the war broke - multi national companies were either writ off or were succeeded into the Russian economy, no questions asked. I'll emphasise the strange bit again - as the US looking after itself to the detriment of other nations and economies undermines leaders, economies, citizens, companies, not least politics, so if any one EU or global leader said "hands off those minerals they are mine", you'd support that, as you do with Trump? He'll no doubt give the excuse Zelenskyy is a salesman dictator if it doesn't get signed but the question remains, why cheerlead Trump - Do you with Isreal? Iran? North Korea? | |||
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" You seem to associate the deal with Trump making a profit at the expense of Ukraine, when it was Zelensky that offered up the deal to Trump. Do you have any thoughts on Europe taking payment through minerals, or actually what the likely outcome is when the US and European countries begin to take the minerals? The deals being discussed now will bring many geopolitical implications way beyond "Trump is bad" You write like ChatGPT. "Deals" being done now hove zero implication bar robbing a nation on it's knees. Any deal with the EU will no doubt boost EU spend - it goes hand in hand. You detract well but subvert wider implication, that of defence of allies and the new Trump norm. Is this new norm a pull back from historic relationships before financial agreement is understood. A rinsing of hands on education, health, infrastructure, agriculture, (foreign aid) as it's "not my job" unless there is like for like gain. It'd be a turn around for Starmer to make one of these deals or pull boats out of the South China Sea & the Red Sea leaving the US to defend interests in the name of peace. PMSL ChatGPT!! AI needs to move on if that is what you think
You might need to rethink about deals being done now and the implications of them. Looking at things on a surface level isn't going to help here, or emotional one sided thinking.
Biden was being heavily criticised for the amount of money he was providing Ukraine for arms, why? Because it was prolonging the inevitable, and it was placing the future of Ukraine under debt pressure.
That led Zelensky to offer a mineral deal, that plays right into Trump, it plays in the Europeans too but you seem to think one is okay and the other not
What you are also not considering is how the minerals will be collected, do you think they are sitting on a shelf waiting to be shipped? The US and EU will mine those areas for minerals, putting nationals and business on the ground in Ukraine, that in itself is a Russian deterrent, did you not think why Putin was saying you can take them from the land we have in Ukraine....
To finish this off, Why does Trump want his hands on Greenland, and why does he have eyes on China? Minerals used for tech and arms, China is restricting them and the US is becoming reliant, but China can call the shots and the price.... When Zelensky offered mineral access for debt he knew it was something that would tick all the boxes and not just for the US.....
So now I have laid that out, pick it apart with logical argument or offer up an alternative way out for Ukraine that provides a deterrent to Russia and a way of paying off their enormous debts without crippling their economy as it stands today, whilst removing the threat of China's dominance..
You don't really give a logical argument. You just champion a political leader.
Biden held up by Republicans over the joint Ukraine/Israel security package. Their pushback led to arms delays and Russia taking the land they've now captured.
What led to Zelenskyy offering land is a change of US governance and him knowing he doesn't have Trumps support. He's offered to step down for NATO approval. The US have just chopped out the security guarantee he wanted alongside. Whether he gets it remains to be seen.
Russia doesn't have right to say what happens to any land in Ukraine, just an FYI...they invaded. It's like me nicking your TV and renting it out.
The only reason China is restricting minerals is because the US put restrictions on semiconductors. The US wants greater self reliance, that was under the Biden admin.
It's strange you put Trump on such a pedestal but think leaders of other countries should have such little respect either on a global scale or to their own citizens security. I've said above he's sticking to his mandate, I've also said above the US having US co's in Ukraine are no security guarantee as was seen when the war broke - multi national companies were either writ off or were succeeded into the Russian economy, no questions asked.
I'll emphasise the strange bit again - as the US looking after itself to the detriment of other nations and economies undermines leaders, economies, citizens, companies, not least politics, so if any one EU or global leader said "hands off those minerals they are mine", you'd support that, as you do with Trump? He'll no doubt give the excuse Zelenskyy is a salesman dictator if it doesn't get signed but the question remains, why cheerlead Trump - Do you with Isreal? Iran? North Korea?
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"Also, what about that ‘UK & Ukraine 100 years’ podium of Starmer’s? What an opportunistic piece of guff. How the hell can we promise unreserved backing over such a timescale? What happens if an Orban on steroids type wins power over there giving the Ukrainian Neo Nazis carte blanche? A hell of a lot can change in a century. In much less than a century. As I say, absolute nonsense." Secure at home Strong abroad it says on his podium | |||
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"Trump is now saying putin needs to give some of the land back. Is this because The USA will heave a stake in the minerals in that land." Quite possibly. And PMC's are most likely to be on the ground, protecting those "corporate" assets. Putin would most likely want to hold the land he has seized, but not with Russian Troops, but with Wagner mercs. . In essence, multiple state-funded PMC's, each protecting their "turf", with clandestine guerrilla warfare from the Ukrainians on the occupied land. They won't be openly funded by the US anymore, but covertly supplied equipment, or indirectly supported. EU nations would have to decide if they could support the guerrilla warfare without stepping outside their NATO constraints. . Whatever it becomes, it's going to be messy and it's going to be a powder-keg. | |||
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"With Europe support can the Ukraine hold Russia or even push them back. If you where 15 and came to the UK as a refuge is it time to go and do you bit for your country?" Ukraine have already had all our weapons. We are in middle of WW3 in all but name. | |||
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"That is a hard watch. Trump being the dick he is. " Yeah… that was “interesting “ I would normally say I’d love to be a fly on the wall in those types of meetings but I think we really saw it all… Trump was bad, Vance was totally out of order! In the diplomatic scheme of things Canada Mexico and the EU are going to have to have an emergency meeting to stick and act together… because trump is about to use tariffs to squeeze everyone Europe are about to have to stand up | |||
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"That is a hard watch. Trump being the dick he is. Yeah… that was “interesting “ I would normally say I’d love to be a fly on the wall in those types of meetings but I think we really saw it all… Trump was bad, Vance was totally out of order! In the diplomatic scheme of things Canada Mexico and the EU are going to have to have an emergency meeting to stick and act together… because trump is about to use tariffs to squeeze everyone Europe are about to have to stand up" The UK has allready spoken about upping Defence spending can Europe follow suit and up Defence spending to 2.5% most are back at 1.5% with is a big shortfall of where they need to be to help Ukraine. And if they think NATO will help out in the form of the US I think it's safe to say we are on our own. | |||
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"That is a hard watch. Trump being the dick he is. Yeah… that was “interesting “ I would normally say I’d love to be a fly on the wall in those types of meetings but I think we really saw it all… Trump was bad, Vance was totally out of order! In the diplomatic scheme of things Canada Mexico and the EU are going to have to have an emergency meeting to stick and act together… because trump is about to use tariffs to squeeze everyone Europe are about to have to stand up" Just thinking that. Any tariffs are going to have to be matched. Any chat on Greenland is going to have to have pushed back. Any war funding - could that come from the $300bn in seized Russian assets | |||
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"With Europe support can the Ukraine hold Russia or even push them back. If you where 15 and came to the UK as a refuge is it time to go and do you bit for your country? Ukraine have already had all our weapons. We are in middle of WW3 in all but name. Don't think they have had much of what we have. And if there is a deal to be had on minerals could Europe and the UK go further. " From gov.uk The UK has provided both lethal and non-lethal weaponry and equipment, including tanks, air defence systems, artillery, and long-range precision strike missiles. While the UK has committed to training Ukrainian fast jet pilots, combat fighter aircraft will not be provided. | |||
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"Uncomfortable watch but I bet Putin was pissing himself laughing after watching that "i think mexico, canada, greenland and panama are pissing themselves too | |||
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"Uncomfortable watch but I bet Putin was pissing himself laughing after watching that "What because his mate Putin saw him humiliat Zelensky. But if Ukrane dose not want to give up land then the fight is on as they say. | |||
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"That is a hard watch. Trump being the dick he is. Yeah… that was “interesting “ I would normally say I’d love to be a fly on the wall in those types of meetings but I think we really saw it all… Trump was bad, Vance was totally out of order! In the diplomatic scheme of things Canada Mexico and the EU are going to have to have an emergency meeting to stick and act together… because trump is about to use tariffs to squeeze everyone Europe are about to have to stand up Just thinking that. Any tariffs are going to have to be matched. Any chat on Greenland is going to have to have pushed back. Any war funding - could that come from the $300bn in seized Russian assets " Remember that the thing trump craved was rare earth minerals… Canada has them… Greenland has them The us are desperately going to want Russia back in the G7 (ironically it’s Canada that hold the revolving presidency at the moment so that won’t happen) I heard an interesting comparison.. Trump wanted America first … in a way Trump in effect might have just got the Americans their version of “Brexit “ if everyone else bands together | |||
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"It was about time someone put that brat Zelensky in his place. Everyone seems blinded by the media. Politics are being more important than the life and wellbeing of people. Ukraine is not without blame. They've been carrying out ethnic cleansing of Russians in Ukraine, persecuting their language and culture. Those areas invaded by Russia wanted to separate. Zelemsky has persecuted his opposition too. The EU instead of seeking peace, are propping Ukraine and facilitating the killing of more people on both sides. " So do you think Putin wants peace or more land to help the persecuted people. | |||
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"It was about time someone put that brat Zelensky in his place. Everyone seems blinded by the media. Politics are being more important than the life and wellbeing of people. Ukraine is not without blame. They've been carrying out ethnic cleansing of Russians in Ukraine, persecuting their language and culture. Those areas invaded by Russia wanted to separate. Zelemsky has persecuted his opposition too. The EU instead of seeking peace, are propping Ukraine and facilitating the killing of more people on both sides. So do you think Putin wants peace or more land to help the persecuted people. " I guess it looked like Scotland might want independence at one point so we gave them a referendum. What we didn’t do was ban them from speaking their own language, change all their signs, throw people in jail who supported independence, ban their flag etc etc. | |||
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"It was about time someone put that brat Zelensky in his place. Everyone seems blinded by the media. Politics are being more important than the life and wellbeing of people. Ukraine is not without blame. They've been carrying out ethnic cleansing of Russians in Ukraine, persecuting their language and culture. Those areas invaded by Russia wanted to separate. Zelemsky has persecuted his opposition too. The EU instead of seeking peace, are propping Ukraine and facilitating the killing of more people on both sides. So do you think Putin wants peace or more land to help the persecuted people. I guess it looked like Scotland might want independence at one point so we gave them a referendum. What we didn’t do was ban them from speaking their own language, change all their signs, throw people in jail who supported independence, ban their flag etc etc." That's only because Suella Braverman wasn't elected leader.. | |||
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"It was about time someone put that brat Zelensky in his place. Everyone seems blinded by the media. Politics are being more important than the life and wellbeing of people. Ukraine is not without blame. They've been carrying out ethnic cleansing of Russians in Ukraine, persecuting their language and culture. Those areas invaded by Russia wanted to separate. Zelemsky has persecuted his opposition too. The EU instead of seeking peace, are propping Ukraine and facilitating the killing of more people on both sides. " None of that is justification to break international law, by invading a sovereign state and killing citizens. Once an invading country does this, priority has to be to stop the war, whilst preserving life and health, as readily as possible. | |||
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"It was about time someone put that brat Zelensky in his place. Everyone seems blinded by the media. Politics are being more important than the life and wellbeing of people. Ukraine is not without blame. They've been carrying out ethnic cleansing of Russians in Ukraine, persecuting their language and culture. Those areas invaded by Russia wanted to separate. Zelemsky has persecuted his opposition too. The EU instead of seeking peace, are propping Ukraine and facilitating the killing of more people on both sides. None of that is justification to break international law, by invading a sovereign state and killing citizens. Once an invading country does this, priority has to be to stop the war, whilst preserving life and health, as readily as possible. " So your saying Ukraine should have welcomed the evaders with no resistance and layer down there arms. But will Russia do the same if Ukraine fight back hell know | |||
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"Just seen the news : Ukraine ready to sign deal with trump What a right twat trump is" As soon as the deal is done zelensky will be given his marching orders. | |||
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"He always wanted peace. The media has been manipulating us from the beginning. The ones who have been persecuting people have been the Ukrainian regime. Opposition parties outlawed, peopled jailed or killed, etc.. Those people in the occupied territories are mostly pro-Russian. In fact, they wanted to separate from Ukraine due to the anti-Russian policies. " Just..... you don't invade a country, killing, r*ping, torturing and kidna*ping everything in your path to meet those ends. He didn't invade and decimate the people he wants to liberate, leaving them with rubble. He invaded as was first noted when war broke ... for gas, oil, mineral and agricultural wealth, as has now been seen. | |||
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"Just seen the news : Ukraine ready to sign deal with trump What a right twat trump is" yea a right twat for the first time in three years someone is actually close to stopping the killing what a twat he is | |||
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"Just seen the news : Ukraine ready to sign deal with trump What a right twat trump isyea a right twat for the first time in three years someone is actually close to stopping the killing what a twat he is" Oh right my bad. Perhaps you can explain to the Ukrainian families and loved ones that trump's helping them by withholding help to stop the missiles and drones killing them! I seriously doubt they share idiotic keyboard warriors either! | |||
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"Just seen the news : Ukraine ready to sign deal with trump What a right twat trump isyea a right twat for the first time in three years someone is actually close to stopping the killing what a twat he is Oh right my bad. Perhaps you can explain to the Ukrainian families and loved ones that trump's helping them by withholding help to stop the missiles and drones killing them! I seriously doubt they share idiotic keyboard warriors either!" why would i explain to ukrainiians i dont no any and to be honest with you some corrupt shithole in the east of europe isnt my concern, now why dont you get back to your favorite topic defending hamas and there supporters, oh yea please dont p.m me in future | |||
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"Just seen the news : Ukraine ready to sign deal with trump What a right twat trump isyea a right twat for the first time in three years someone is actually close to stopping the killing what a twat he is Oh right my bad. Perhaps you can explain to the Ukrainian families and loved ones that trump's helping them by withholding help to stop the missiles and drones killing them! I seriously doubt they share idiotic keyboard warriors either!why would i explain to ukrainiians i dont no any and to be honest with you some corrupt shithole in the east of europe isnt my concern, now why dont you get back to your favorite topic defending hamas and there supporters, oh yea please dont p.m me in future" I will of course give your opinionated invented drivel the consideration it deserves | |||
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"Just seen the news : Ukraine ready to sign deal with trump What a right twat trump isyea a right twat for the first time in three years someone is actually close to stopping the killing what a twat he is Oh right my bad. Perhaps you can explain to the Ukrainian families and loved ones that trump's helping them by withholding help to stop the missiles and drones killing them! I seriously doubt they share idiotic keyboard warriors either!why would i explain to ukrainiians i dont no any and to be honest with you some corrupt shithole in the east of europe isnt my concern, now why dont you get back to your favorite topic defending hamas and there supporters, oh yea please dont p.m me in future I will of course give your opinionated invented drivel the consideration it deserves " hahahahaha your so funny, you carry on with your support for ukraine and the palastinians it always gives me a good laugh remind me to never ask you for tips on the horses as you never seem to back a winner | |||
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"Just seen the news : Ukraine ready to sign deal with trump What a right twat trump isyea a right twat for the first time in three years someone is actually close to stopping the killing what a twat he is Oh right my bad. Perhaps you can explain to the Ukrainian families and loved ones that trump's helping them by withholding help to stop the missiles and drones killing them! I seriously doubt they share idiotic keyboard warriors either!why would i explain to ukrainiians i dont no any and to be honest with you some corrupt shithole in the east of europe isnt my concern, now why dont you get back to your favorite topic defending hamas and there supporters, oh yea please dont p.m me in future" All this sanctimonious drivel to defend the indefencable is quite jaw droppingly ludicrous. Your Time would be better spent in education rather than inventing drivel to type on your keyboard to defend what is in essence only fit for the sewage plant | |||
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"Just seen the news : Ukraine ready to sign deal with trump What a right twat trump isyea a right twat for the first time in three years someone is actually close to stopping the killing what a twat he is Oh right my bad. Perhaps you can explain to the Ukrainian families and loved ones that trump's helping them by withholding help to stop the missiles and drones killing them! I seriously doubt they share idiotic keyboard warriors either!why would i explain to ukrainiians i dont no any and to be honest with you some corrupt shithole in the east of europe isnt my concern, now why dont you get back to your favorite topic defending hamas and there supporters, oh yea please dont p.m me in future All this sanctimonious drivel to defend the indefencable is quite jaw droppingly ludicrous. Your Time would be better spent in education rather than inventing drivel to type on your keyboard to defend what is in essence only fit for the sewage plant" i feeel the same about all the pro palestine guff that you post but hey ho, luckily what some random on a swingers site thinks of me really dosent affect my life, although i will say you do come across as a very angry man, perhaps you should see someone about that, anyway sweetheart your starting to bore me now so too da loo xx | |||
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"Just seen the news : Ukraine ready to sign deal with trump What a right twat trump isyea a right twat for the first time in three years someone is actually close to stopping the killing what a twat he is Oh right my bad. Perhaps you can explain to the Ukrainian families and loved ones that trump's helping them by withholding help to stop the missiles and drones killing them! I seriously doubt they share idiotic keyboard warriors either!why would i explain to ukrainiians i dont no any and to be honest with you some corrupt shithole in the east of europe isnt my concern, now why dont you get back to your favorite topic defending hamas and there supporters, oh yea please dont p.m me in future All this sanctimonious drivel to defend the indefencable is quite jaw droppingly ludicrous. Your Time would be better spent in education rather than inventing drivel to type on your keyboard to defend what is in essence only fit for the sewage planti feeel the same about all the pro palestine guff that you post but hey ho, luckily what some random on a swingers site thinks of me really dosent affect my life, although i will say you do come across as a very angry man, perhaps you should see someone about that, anyway sweetheart your starting to bore me now so too da loo xx" 💩 Is such a useful emoji I think | |||
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"Just seen the news : Ukraine ready to sign deal with trump What a right twat trump isyea a right twat for the first time in three years someone is actually close to stopping the killing what a twat he is Oh right my bad. Perhaps you can explain to the Ukrainian families and loved ones that trump's helping them by withholding help to stop the missiles and drones killing them! I seriously doubt they share idiotic keyboard warriors either!why would i explain to ukrainiians i dont no any and to be honest with you some corrupt shithole in the east of europe isnt my concern, now why dont you get back to your favorite topic defending hamas and there supporters, oh yea please dont p.m me in future All this sanctimonious drivel to defend the indefencable is quite jaw droppingly ludicrous. Your Time would be better spent in education rather than inventing drivel to type on your keyboard to defend what is in essence only fit for the sewage planti feeel the same about all the pro palestine guff that you post but hey ho, luckily what some random on a swingers site thinks of me really dosent affect my life, although i will say you do come across as a very angry man, perhaps you should see someone about that, anyway sweetheart your starting to bore me now so too da loo xx" Well I'm not defending getting Ukrainians killed by russian air strikes to force Ukraine to sign an agreement with the USA though - unlike some people. | |||
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"Just seen the news : Ukraine ready to sign deal with trump What a right twat trump isyea a right twat for the first time in three years someone is actually close to stopping the killing what a twat he is Oh right my bad. Perhaps you can explain to the Ukrainian families and loved ones that trump's helping them by withholding help to stop the missiles and drones killing them! I seriously doubt they share idiotic keyboard warriors either!why would i explain to ukrainiians i dont no any and to be honest with you some corrupt shithole in the east of europe isnt my concern, now why dont you get back to your favorite topic defending hamas and there supporters, oh yea please dont p.m me in future All this sanctimonious drivel to defend the indefencable is quite jaw droppingly ludicrous. Your Time would be better spent in education rather than inventing drivel to type on your keyboard to defend what is in essence only fit for the sewage planti feeel the same about all the pro palestine guff that you post but hey ho, luckily what some random on a swingers site thinks of me really dosent affect my life, although i will say you do come across as a very angry man, perhaps you should see someone about that, anyway sweetheart your starting to bore me now so too da loo xx Well I'm not defending getting Ukrainians killed by russian air strikes to force Ukraine to sign an agreement with the USA though - unlike some people." But the big question has to be what will Putin expect and if he expects an agreement will he stick to it or how long will he stick to it. | |||
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"Just seen the news : Ukraine ready to sign deal with trump What a right twat trump isyea a right twat for the first time in three years someone is actually close to stopping the killing what a twat he is Oh right my bad. Perhaps you can explain to the Ukrainian families and loved ones that trump's helping them by withholding help to stop the missiles and drones killing them! I seriously doubt they share idiotic keyboard warriors either!why would i explain to ukrainiians i dont no any and to be honest with you some corrupt shithole in the east of europe isnt my concern, now why dont you get back to your favorite topic defending hamas and there supporters, oh yea please dont p.m me in future All this sanctimonious drivel to defend the indefencable is quite jaw droppingly ludicrous. Your Time would be better spent in education rather than inventing drivel to type on your keyboard to defend what is in essence only fit for the sewage planti feeel the same about all the pro palestine guff that you post but hey ho, luckily what some random on a swingers site thinks of me really dosent affect my life, although i will say you do come across as a very angry man, perhaps you should see someone about that, anyway sweetheart your starting to bore me now so too da loo xx Well I'm not defending getting Ukrainians killed by russian air strikes to force Ukraine to sign an agreement with the USA though - unlike some people. But the big question has to be what will Putin expect and if he expects an agreement will he stick to it or how long will he stick to it. " Yep your right there! He'll only keep it for as long as it takes to re-arm and re-organise his forces. In the meantime Europe should ditch NATO because the USA isn't reliable and have a European alliance that includes Ukraine. | |||
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"Just seen the news : Ukraine ready to sign deal with trump What a right twat trump isyea a right twat for the first time in three years someone is actually close to stopping the killing what a twat he is Oh right my bad. Perhaps you can explain to the Ukrainian families and loved ones that trump's helping them by withholding help to stop the missiles and drones killing them! I seriously doubt they share idiotic keyboard warriors either!why would i explain to ukrainiians i dont no any and to be honest with you some corrupt shithole in the east of europe isnt my concern, now why dont you get back to your favorite topic defending hamas and there supporters, oh yea please dont p.m me in future All this sanctimonious drivel to defend the indefencable is quite jaw droppingly ludicrous. Your Time would be better spent in education rather than inventing drivel to type on your keyboard to defend what is in essence only fit for the sewage planti feeel the same about all the pro palestine guff that you post but hey ho, luckily what some random on a swingers site thinks of me really dosent affect my life, although i will say you do come across as a very angry man, perhaps you should see someone about that, anyway sweetheart your starting to bore me now so too da loo xx Well I'm not defending getting Ukrainians killed by russian air strikes to force Ukraine to sign an agreement with the USA though - unlike some people. But the big question has to be what will Putin expect and if he expects an agreement will he stick to it or how long will he stick to it. Yep your right there! He'll only keep it for as long as it takes to re-arm and re-organise his forces. In the meantime Europe should ditch NATO because the USA isn't reliable and have a European alliance that includes Ukraine. " NATO can exist and deal with Russia without the US. Unfortunately they're STILL trying to keep the US involved to do the heavy lifting | |||
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"Just seen the news : Ukraine ready to sign deal with trump What a right twat trump isyea a right twat for the first time in three years someone is actually close to stopping the killing what a twat he is Oh right my bad. Perhaps you can explain to the Ukrainian families and loved ones that trump's helping them by withholding help to stop the missiles and drones killing them! I seriously doubt they share idiotic keyboard warriors either!why would i explain to ukrainiians i dont no any and to be honest with you some corrupt shithole in the east of europe isnt my concern, now why dont you get back to your favorite topic defending hamas and there supporters, oh yea please dont p.m me in future All this sanctimonious drivel to defend the indefencable is quite jaw droppingly ludicrous. Your Time would be better spent in education rather than inventing drivel to type on your keyboard to defend what is in essence only fit for the sewage planti feeel the same about all the pro palestine guff that you post but hey ho, luckily what some random on a swingers site thinks of me really dosent affect my life, although i will say you do come across as a very angry man, perhaps you should see someone about that, anyway sweetheart your starting to bore me now so too da loo xx Well I'm not defending getting Ukrainians killed by russian air strikes to force Ukraine to sign an agreement with the USA though - unlike some people. But the big question has to be what will Putin expect and if he expects an agreement will he stick to it or how long will he stick to it. Yep your right there! He'll only keep it for as long as it takes to re-arm and re-organise his forces. In the meantime Europe should ditch NATO because the USA isn't reliable and have a European alliance that includes Ukraine. NATO can exist and deal with Russia without the US. Unfortunately they're STILL trying to keep the US involved to do the heavy lifting " I think it's more about what we the Uk and Europe need from the US In the way of parts and munichians. If The US is with Putin the Europe is in a bad place. | |||
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"Just seen the news : Ukraine ready to sign deal with trump What a right twat trump isyea a right twat for the first time in three years someone is actually close to stopping the killing what a twat he is Oh right my bad. Perhaps you can explain to the Ukrainian families and loved ones that trump's helping them by withholding help to stop the missiles and drones killing them! I seriously doubt they share idiotic keyboard warriors either!why would i explain to ukrainiians i dont no any and to be honest with you some corrupt shithole in the east of europe isnt my concern, now why dont you get back to your favorite topic defending hamas and there supporters, oh yea please dont p.m me in future All this sanctimonious drivel to defend the indefencable is quite jaw droppingly ludicrous. Your Time would be better spent in education rather than inventing drivel to type on your keyboard to defend what is in essence only fit for the sewage planti feeel the same about all the pro palestine guff that you post but hey ho, luckily what some random on a swingers site thinks of me really dosent affect my life, although i will say you do come across as a very angry man, perhaps you should see someone about that, anyway sweetheart your starting to bore me now so too da loo xx Well I'm not defending getting Ukrainians killed by russian air strikes to force Ukraine to sign an agreement with the USA though - unlike some people. But the big question has to be what will Putin expect and if he expects an agreement will he stick to it or how long will he stick to it. Yep your right there! He'll only keep it for as long as it takes to re-arm and re-organise his forces. In the meantime Europe should ditch NATO because the USA isn't reliable and have a European alliance that includes Ukraine. NATO can exist and deal with Russia without the US. Unfortunately they're STILL trying to keep the US involved to do the heavy lifting I think it's more about what we the Uk and Europe need from the US In the way of parts and munichians. If The US is with Putin the Europe is in a bad place. " I'm fed up of repeating the same point | |||
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"Just seen the news : Ukraine ready to sign deal with trump What a right twat trump isyea a right twat for the first time in three years someone is actually close to stopping the killing what a twat he is Oh right my bad. Perhaps you can explain to the Ukrainian families and loved ones that trump's helping them by withholding help to stop the missiles and drones killing them! I seriously doubt they share idiotic keyboard warriors either!why would i explain to ukrainiians i dont no any and to be honest with you some corrupt shithole in the east of europe isnt my concern, now why dont you get back to your favorite topic defending hamas and there supporters, oh yea please dont p.m me in future All this sanctimonious drivel to defend the indefencable is quite jaw droppingly ludicrous. Your Time would be better spent in education rather than inventing drivel to type on your keyboard to defend what is in essence only fit for the sewage planti feeel the same about all the pro palestine guff that you post but hey ho, luckily what some random on a swingers site thinks of me really dosent affect my life, although i will say you do come across as a very angry man, perhaps you should see someone about that, anyway sweetheart your starting to bore me now so too da loo xx Well I'm not defending getting Ukrainians killed by russian air strikes to force Ukraine to sign an agreement with the USA though - unlike some people. But the big question has to be what will Putin expect and if he expects an agreement will he stick to it or how long will he stick to it. Yep your right there! He'll only keep it for as long as it takes to re-arm and re-organise his forces. In the meantime Europe should ditch NATO because the USA isn't reliable and have a European alliance that includes Ukraine. NATO can exist and deal with Russia without the US. Unfortunately they're STILL trying to keep the US involved to do the heavy lifting I think it's more about what we the Uk and Europe need from the US In the way of parts and munichians. If The US is with Putin the Europe is in a bad place. I'm fed up of repeating the same point " So when the US stopped intelligence shering why did the UK and Europe not take over this role. | |||
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"Turn of events last night with US UA agreement on ceasefire If Russia does not agree to this and highly probable it won’t, Trump may increase military support for Ukraine together with the ‘willing’ from Europe. " Would he? Or would he just expect Ukraine to just bow down to whatever concession Putin asks for, irrespective of Russia. | |||
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