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"The VP's speech in Munich seems to have caused a stir among the Eurocrats. Is he a truth sayer or sh*t stirrer ? 🤷♂️" Aren't all politicians sh*t stirrers..? | |||
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"The VP's speech in Munich seems to have caused a stir among the Eurocrats. Is he a truth sayer or sh*t stirrer ? 🤷♂️" bit of both id say | |||
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"The VP's speech in Munich seems to have caused a stir among the Eurocrats. Is he a truth sayer or sh*t stirrer ? 🤷♂️bit of both id say" Agree  | |||
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"The VP's speech in Munich seems to have caused a stir among the Eurocrats. Is he a truth sayer or sh*t stirrer ? 🤷♂️bit of both id say" Yeah. Whatever he said is true. But he is doing it just to stir shit. | |||
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"The VP's speech in Munich seems to have caused a stir among the Eurocrats. Is he a truth sayer or sh*t stirrer ? 🤷♂️bit of both id say Yeah. Whatever he said is true. But he is doing it just to stir shit." who cares if he is doing it to stir shit? If its the truth its about time europes leaders hear it from another government because they ignore there voters when they say it | |||
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"The VP's speech in Munich seems to have caused a stir among the Eurocrats. Is he a truth sayer or sh*t stirrer ? 🤷♂️bit of both id say Yeah. Whatever he said is true. But he is doing it just to stir shit." An element of 'this is going to ruffle some feathers in the old countries' certainly but also an indication that America is looking east to counter the economic growth and global aspirations of China.. Some of what he said has substance of course but there's certainly truth in the point that Europe has created a problem for itself which is evident and politicians of the centre left are struggling how to address without going too far away from their base.. | |||
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"The VP's speech in Munich seems to have caused a stir among the Eurocrats. Is he a truth sayer or sh*t stirrer ? 🤷♂️bit of both id say Yeah. Whatever he said is true. But he is doing it just to stir shit.who cares if he is doing it to stir shit? If its the truth its about time europes leaders hear it from another government because they ignore there voters when they say it" I agree with that. The problem is with European governments at the end of the day. | |||
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"The VP's speech in Munich seems to have caused a stir among the Eurocrats. Is he a truth sayer or sh*t stirrer ? 🤷♂️bit of both id say Yeah. Whatever he said is true. But he is doing it just to stir shit. An element of 'this is going to ruffle some feathers in the old countries' certainly but also an indication that America is looking east to counter the economic growth and global aspirations of China.. Some of what he said has substance of course but there's certainly truth in the point that Europe has created a problem for itself which is evident and politicians of the centre left are struggling how to address without going too far away from their base.. " True. The problem is with the mainstream parties in Europe not doing enough to address people's concerns. | |||
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"The VP's speech in Munich seems to have caused a stir among the Eurocrats. Is he a truth sayer or sh*t stirrer ? 🤷♂️bit of both id say Yeah. Whatever he said is true. But he is doing it just to stir shit. An element of 'this is going to ruffle some feathers in the old countries' certainly but also an indication that America is looking east to counter the economic growth and global aspirations of China.. Some of what he said has substance of course but there's certainly truth in the point that Europe has created a problem for itself which is evident and politicians of the centre left are struggling how to address without going too far away from their base.. True. The problem is with the mainstream parties in Europe not doing enough to address people's concerns. " That was a strong part of his speech. Europeans lecturing others on democracy while pushing through hugely unpopular mass immigration with no mandate. He also referred to the Romanian election result which the EU has overturned. | |||
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"Well having just read some of what he said I'm sorry to say I agree. Our leaders have lost their core values and definitely haven't been putting the voters concerns and welfare first, and yes many European countries have been allowing wholesale migration allowing it to become a epidemic. And yes Europe shouldn't be so reliant on USA for defence particularly the UK. Not sure about the whole free speech stuff he was going on about, it's early and I'm tired will need to read it again." If you listen to the entire speech it was awful… I think what the Europeans found out was that the US are going to be an unstable and unreliable partner for the next 4 years, and Trump is probably going to try and take the US out of NATO Also for a party who got really tight about outside interference in their elections to then say that basically they shouldn’t condemn Elon for meddling in European politics was astounding…. | |||
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"Well having just read some of what he said I'm sorry to say I agree. Our leaders have lost their core values and definitely haven't been putting the voters concerns and welfare first, and yes many European countries have been allowing wholesale migration allowing it to become a epidemic. And yes Europe shouldn't be so reliant on USA for defence particularly the UK. Not sure about the whole free speech stuff he was going on about, it's early and I'm tired will need to read it again. If you listen to the entire speech it was awful… I think what the Europeans found out was that the US are going to be an unstable and unreliable partner for the next 4 years, and Trump is probably going to try and take the US out of NATO Also for a party who got really tight about outside interference in their elections to then say that basically they shouldn’t condemn Elon for meddling in European politics was astounding…. " Life comes at you fast  | |||
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"Feedback is a bit tough at times, it's what you do with it that counts. There is nothing he said that I could really disagree with." I think we can be confident that everything he said will be ignored by those in attendance.🤣 | |||
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"Vance (like Trump) is a short sighted populist. The immigration issue has very much its roots in US (and U.K.) interventions in Libya and Iraq. So out of one side his mouth it is “take Gaza” but not understanding the longer term human consequences. Bottom line is that Europe and the US have had a stable, prosperous and mutually supporting relationship since 1942. The populist new kids on the block will likely be as short term as their own ideology and in time they will be gone. But Europe and the United States will still be there. Trump, Vance, Hegseth and the rest of the gang will (in my opinion) implode long before the end of the four year term when all their “simple fixes” will inevitably turn out to be costly mistakes and the public will soon see the light. " what do you meen before there four years are up,awww I thought he was gona stay for life and cancel elections? Please don't tell me the democrats lied about that,I thought he was gona be fuhrer trump by the way people were talking about him | |||
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"Vance (like Trump) is a short sighted populist. The immigration issue has very much its roots in US (and U.K.) interventions in Libya and Iraq. So out of one side his mouth it is “take Gaza” but not understanding the longer term human consequences. Bottom line is that Europe and the US have had a stable, prosperous and mutually supporting relationship since 1942. The populist new kids on the block will likely be as short term as their own ideology and in time they will be gone. But Europe and the United States will still be there. Trump, Vance, Hegseth and the rest of the gang will (in my opinion) implode long before the end of the four year term when all their “simple fixes” will inevitably turn out to be costly mistakes and the public will soon see the light. what do you meen before there four years are up,awww I thought he was gona stay for life and cancel elections? Please don't tell me the democrats lied about that,I thought he was gona be fuhrer trump by the way people were talking about him" I cannot see him giving up power unless the US is in total meltdown , I hope I am wrong | |||
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"People should watch the film Civil War a take on modern America. Americans "seem" to hate everyone and everything that's not American, however and I could be very wrong with this but they seem to hate each other more depending on where you live,deep rooted tribalism and xenophobia as well. That said every American I've ever met have been absolutely delightful and lovely people. It's amazing how the media can twist views and opinions. But Trump seems to be intent on creating division and bad intent in everything he does, reinforcing every stereotype possible seemingly for the benefit of himself and his cronies under the guise of " make America great again"" I don’t think you are right.. but I am going to put in another way with an example I don’t think that Americans look at foreign relations in the same way as most countries So for example the trump Canada issued, the Canadian press report it with a lot more seriousness than their American counterparts… it’s barely a blip on Fox News, or newsmax or OANN, Slightly better job of covering on msnbc and CNN, but that’s not where trump voters are getting their coverage So, to the example.. at the moment Ice hockey, instead of having an all star exhibition game, this year are having a 4 nation tournament… USA, Canada, Sweden and Finland… First two games are in Montreal, last game and final are in Boston So first game.. us vs Finland… in Montreal, and the US anthem gets booed And this is the first time for a lot of Americans they are finding out how Canadians are feeling about Trump comments Tonight… Canada plays USA .. on network TV .. in prime time in Montreal If the US anthem gets booed out of the building.. that’s going to make a lot of news! | |||
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"The VP's speech in Munich seems to have caused a stir among the Eurocrats. Is he a truth sayer or sh*t stirrer ? 🤷♂️bit of both id say Yeah. Whatever he said is true. But he is doing it just to stir shit. An element of 'this is going to ruffle some feathers in the old countries' certainly but also an indication that America is looking east to counter the economic growth and global aspirations of China.. Some of what he said has substance of course but there's certainly truth in the point that Europe has created a problem for itself which is evident and politicians of the centre left are struggling how to address without going too far away from their base.. True. The problem is with the mainstream parties in Europe not doing enough to address people's concerns. That was a strong part of his speech. Europeans lecturing others on democracy while pushing through hugely unpopular mass immigration with no mandate. He also referred to the Romanian election result which the EU has overturned." What happened in Romania was crazy as fuck. No one knows who ran the ads in TikTok. There are even reports which say that the ads were run by the Liberal party for the party that won. The winning party doesn't know anything about it and their election win was annulled just like that. Democracy my ass. | |||
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"People should watch the film Civil War a take on modern America. Americans "seem" to hate everyone and everything that's not American, however and I could be very wrong with this but they seem to hate each other more depending on where you live,deep rooted tribalism and xenophobia as well. That said every American I've ever met have been absolutely delightful and lovely people. It's amazing how the media can twist views and opinions. But Trump seems to be intent on creating division and bad intent in everything he does, reinforcing every stereotype possible seemingly for the benefit of himself and his cronies under the guise of " make America great again"" Trump doesn't "hate" Europe. He doesn't want US to pay for Europe's security, especially when Europe has acted against American interests for awhile now. He basically told EU to spend their money and build their own army. | |||
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"The immigration issue has very much its roots in US (and U.K.) interventions in Libya and Iraq. " Indeed it does. I don't understand why we and the US are not being charged for this. . If you knock over a mate's vase in their house, you pay for it. If you knocked it over indirectly because of a tussle with someone else, you are both responsible so you both pay for it. . If you break the thing, you pay to fix it. That's your responsibility. . If your government attack a country and cause refugee seekers to arrive, then that's on your government. If you voted them in, then you bear the responsibility for their actions as you put them in to power. Time to cough up. If you didn't vote them in, then you can change that at the next election. Unfortunately you do have to live with the consequences of those who did vote them in. | |||
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"I had earlier read only excerpts of the speech in news articles. I just watched the entire video. That speech was wonderfully written and delivered. Can easily see him as a future American president." Delusional | |||
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"The US isn't going to allow Russia to roll (albeit slowly and at great cost of life) across Europe.. Bad for trade.." Is there any indication that's what the Russians want to do. | |||
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"If anyone wants to know how the US Canada game started… 10 seconds in.. 3 separate fights! "US anthem got booed out the building, oh Canada was spine tingling… | |||
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"The immigration issue has very much its roots in US (and U.K.) interventions in Libya and Iraq. Indeed it does. I don't understand why we and the US are not being charged for this. . If you knock over a mate's vase in their house, you pay for it. If you knocked it over indirectly because of a tussle with someone else, you are both responsible so you both pay for it. . If you break the thing, you pay to fix it. That's your responsibility. . If your government attack a country and cause refugee seekers to arrive, then that's on your government. If you voted them in, then you bear the responsibility for their actions as you put them in to power. Time to cough up. If you didn't vote them in, then you can change that at the next election. Unfortunately you do have to live with the consequences of those who did vote them in." We can't blame others for having an open border system. End of the day, your country's border is your responsibility. | |||
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"If anyone wants to know how the US Canada game started… 10 seconds in.. 3 separate fights!
US anthem got booed out the building, oh Canada was spine tingling…"Didn’t transfer to their hockey though. | |||
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"The US isn't going to allow Russia to roll (albeit slowly and at great cost of life) across Europe.. Bad for trade.. Is there any indication that's what the Russians want to do." No I don't think so but it's the oft trotted out by those who get all 'well if you think the butcher of innocents in Ukraine is intolerable (as it is wherever it occurs and not those who look like us) then go and fight.. The appeasers who keep stepping backwards rather than face up and challenge a dictator who no one wants to live under.. | |||
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"The VP's speech in Munich seems to have caused a stir among the Eurocrats. Is he a truth sayer or sh*t stirrer ? 🤷♂️" That question could easily apply to you. 🙂 Some of what he said was true. A lot of what he said really wasn't. The way he said it ... that was purely for the MAGA crowd back home. | |||
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"I had earlier read only excerpts of the speech in news articles. I just watched the entire video. That speech was wonderfully written and delivered. Can easily see him as a future American president." It was a load of doublespeak from a supposed ally meddling in upcoming German elections. | |||
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"Feedback is a bit tough at times, it's what you do with it that counts. There is nothing he said that I could really disagree with." So, you couldn't disagree with something he said, even when it's demonstrably untrue? This is from his speech: "And under Donald Trump’s leadership, we may disagree with your views, but we will fight to defend your right to offer them in the public square." That's the sort of proven drivel you declare you agree with. | |||
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"The US isn't going to allow Russia to roll (albeit slowly and at great cost of life) across Europe.. Bad for trade.. Is there any indication that's what the Russians want to do. No I don't think so but it's the oft trotted out by those who get all 'well if you think the butcher of innocents in Ukraine is intolerable (as it is wherever it occurs and not those who look like us) then go and fight.. The appeasers who keep stepping backwards rather than face up and challenge a dictator who no one wants to live under.. " How is continuing a losing battle a good move? Ukraine will be paying back on their debts for many years to come, and for what? They didn't roll over and Russian tactics were awfully inept at the start of the war, giving Ukraine a chance to adapt and defend. They are now losing land and men daily as the Russians are now more capable and Ukraine is struggling to recruit and arm. Nobody, unless Russian, backs Putin in this, I'm just not getting all the anger from people who want to see a continued war. If this was a boxing match and the West are in the Ukraine corner I would suggest throwing in the towel. | |||
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"Feedback is a bit tough at times, it's what you do with it that counts. There is nothing he said that I could really disagree with. So, you couldn't disagree with something he said, even when it's demonstrably untrue? This is from his speech: "And under Donald Trump’s leadership, we may disagree with your views, but we will fight to defend your right to offer them in the public square." That's the sort of proven drivel you declare you agree with." Nope, the crux of what he was saying is spot on | |||
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"There is nothing he said that I could really disagree with. So, you couldn't disagree with something he said, even when it's demonstrably untrue? This is from his speech: "And under Donald Trump’s leadership, we may disagree with your views, but we will fight to defend your right to offer them in the public square." That's the sort of proven drivel you declare you agree with. Nope, the crux of what he was saying is spot on" You didn't mention the crux, you said "nothing". 😂 | |||
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"The US isn't going to allow Russia to roll (albeit slowly and at great cost of life) across Europe.. Bad for trade.. Is there any indication that's what the Russians want to do. No I don't think so but it's the oft trotted out by those who get all 'well if you think the butcher of innocents in Ukraine is intolerable (as it is wherever it occurs and not those who look like us) then go and fight.. The appeasers who keep stepping backwards rather than face up and challenge a dictator who no one wants to live under.. How is continuing a losing battle a good move? Ukraine will be paying back on their debts for many years to come, and for what? They didn't roll over and Russian tactics were awfully inept at the start of the war, giving Ukraine a chance to adapt and defend. They are now losing land and men daily as the Russians are now more capable and Ukraine is struggling to recruit and arm. Nobody, unless Russian, backs Putin in this, I'm just not getting all the anger from people who want to see a continued war. If this was a boxing match and the West are in the Ukraine corner I would suggest throwing in the towel. " If your really using the 'its going to cost a lot so is it worth it' argument I am somewhat surprised.. Defending ones sovereignty is above that, not many disagreed with Churchill and those who did were on the wrong side of history when he rallied the nation and the commonwealth at any cost to oppose tyranny.. | |||
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"The US isn't going to allow Russia to roll (albeit slowly and at great cost of life) across Europe.. Bad for trade.. Is there any indication that's what the Russians want to do. No I don't think so but it's the oft trotted out by those who get all 'well if you think the butcher of innocents in Ukraine is intolerable (as it is wherever it occurs and not those who look like us) then go and fight.. The appeasers who keep stepping backwards rather than face up and challenge a dictator who no one wants to live under.. How is continuing a losing battle a good move? Ukraine will be paying back on their debts for many years to come, and for what? They didn't roll over and Russian tactics were awfully inept at the start of the war, giving Ukraine a chance to adapt and defend. They are now losing land and men daily as the Russians are now more capable and Ukraine is struggling to recruit and arm. Nobody, unless Russian, backs Putin in this, I'm just not getting all the anger from people who want to see a continued war. If this was a boxing match and the West are in the Ukraine corner I would suggest throwing in the towel. " There's many very painful and reasons why those in the west now who are geographically closer to Russia and we're in the east once in our lifetime will not throw in the towel.. | |||
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"The US isn't going to allow Russia to roll (albeit slowly and at great cost of life) across Europe.. Bad for trade.. Is there any indication that's what the Russians want to do. No I don't think so but it's the oft trotted out by those who get all 'well if you think the butcher of innocents in Ukraine is intolerable (as it is wherever it occurs and not those who look like us) then go and fight.. The appeasers who keep stepping backwards rather than face up and challenge a dictator who no one wants to live under.. How is continuing a losing battle a good move? Ukraine will be paying back on their debts for many years to come, and for what? They didn't roll over and Russian tactics were awfully inept at the start of the war, giving Ukraine a chance to adapt and defend. They are now losing land and men daily as the Russians are now more capable and Ukraine is struggling to recruit and arm. Nobody, unless Russian, backs Putin in this, I'm just not getting all the anger from people who want to see a continued war. If this was a boxing match and the West are in the Ukraine corner I would suggest throwing in the towel. If your really using the 'its going to cost a lot so is it worth it' argument I am somewhat surprised.. Defending ones sovereignty is above that, not many disagreed with Churchill and those who did were on the wrong side of history when he rallied the nation and the commonwealth at any cost to oppose tyranny.. " My point on the cost is, Zelensky is going to lose land for sure, he is also going to be fighting to pay back the $billions of debt the country owes. Ukraine cannot win this, with or without weaponry support. Do you think they can? European countries have allowed Putin the freedom to manoeuvre through fear of not getting into conflict. They need to workout how they need to reverse the advantage Russia has now. Nato brings nothing to the table for Ukraine either, the rules of Nato make it impossible for Ukraine to join. So what is the alternative? | |||
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"The VP's speech in Munich seems to have caused a stir among the Eurocrats. Is he a truth sayer or sh*t stirrer ? 🤷♂️ That question could easily apply to you. 🙂 " Alice !  | |||
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"The US isn't going to allow Russia to roll (albeit slowly and at great cost of life) across Europe.. Bad for trade.. Is there any indication that's what the Russians want to do. No I don't think so but it's the oft trotted out by those who get all 'well if you think the butcher of innocents in Ukraine is intolerable (as it is wherever it occurs and not those who look like us) then go and fight.. The appeasers who keep stepping backwards rather than face up and challenge a dictator who no one wants to live under.. How is continuing a losing battle a good move? Ukraine will be paying back on their debts for many years to come, and for what? They didn't roll over and Russian tactics were awfully inept at the start of the war, giving Ukraine a chance to adapt and defend. They are now losing land and men daily as the Russians are now more capable and Ukraine is struggling to recruit and arm. Nobody, unless Russian, backs Putin in this, I'm just not getting all the anger from people who want to see a continued war. If this was a boxing match and the West are in the Ukraine corner I would suggest throwing in the towel. If your really using the 'its going to cost a lot so is it worth it' argument I am somewhat surprised.. Defending ones sovereignty is above that, not many disagreed with Churchill and those who did were on the wrong side of history when he rallied the nation and the commonwealth at any cost to oppose tyranny.. My point on the cost is, Zelensky is going to lose land for sure, he is also going to be fighting to pay back the $billions of debt the country owes. Ukraine cannot win this, with or without weaponry support. Do you think they can? European countries have allowed Putin the freedom to manoeuvre through fear of not getting into conflict. They need to workout how they need to reverse the advantage Russia has now. Nato brings nothing to the table for Ukraine either, the rules of Nato make it impossible for Ukraine to join. So what is the alternative? " NATO brings you article 5 guarantees… (an unprovoked attack on one is treated as an attack on them all I’d want some sort of security guarantee as the leader of Russia has said on many different occasions that he doesn’t believe that Ukraine should exist! So it’s either membership of NATO, or boots on the ground! | |||
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"The US isn't going to allow Russia to roll (albeit slowly and at great cost of life) across Europe.. Bad for trade.. Is there any indication that's what the Russians want to do. No I don't think so but it's the oft trotted out by those who get all 'well if you think the butcher of innocents in Ukraine is intolerable (as it is wherever it occurs and not those who look like us) then go and fight.. The appeasers who keep stepping backwards rather than face up and challenge a dictator who no one wants to live under.. How is continuing a losing battle a good move? Ukraine will be paying back on their debts for many years to come, and for what? They didn't roll over and Russian tactics were awfully inept at the start of the war, giving Ukraine a chance to adapt and defend. They are now losing land and men daily as the Russians are now more capable and Ukraine is struggling to recruit and arm. Nobody, unless Russian, backs Putin in this, I'm just not getting all the anger from people who want to see a continued war. If this was a boxing match and the West are in the Ukraine corner I would suggest throwing in the towel. If your really using the 'its going to cost a lot so is it worth it' argument I am somewhat surprised.. Defending ones sovereignty is above that, not many disagreed with Churchill and those who did were on the wrong side of history when he rallied the nation and the commonwealth at any cost to oppose tyranny.. My point on the cost is, Zelensky is going to lose land for sure, he is also going to be fighting to pay back the $billions of debt the country owes. Ukraine cannot win this, with or without weaponry support. Do you think they can? European countries have allowed Putin the freedom to manoeuvre through fear of not getting into conflict. They need to workout how they need to reverse the advantage Russia has now. Nato brings nothing to the table for Ukraine either, the rules of Nato make it impossible for Ukraine to join. So what is the alternative? NATO brings you article 5 guarantees… (an unprovoked attack on one is treated as an attack on them all I’d want some sort of security guarantee as the leader of Russia has said on many different occasions that he doesn’t believe that Ukraine should exist! So it’s either membership of NATO, or boots on the ground!" They can't join Nato, Russia can prevent them joining, and so can any other Nato member, it is a ridiculous setup. | |||
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"The US isn't going to allow Russia to roll (albeit slowly and at great cost of life) across Europe.. Bad for trade.. Is there any indication that's what the Russians want to do. No I don't think so but it's the oft trotted out by those who get all 'well if you think the butcher of innocents in Ukraine is intolerable (as it is wherever it occurs and not those who look like us) then go and fight.. The appeasers who keep stepping backwards rather than face up and challenge a dictator who no one wants to live under.. How is continuing a losing battle a good move? Ukraine will be paying back on their debts for many years to come, and for what? They didn't roll over and Russian tactics were awfully inept at the start of the war, giving Ukraine a chance to adapt and defend. They are now losing land and men daily as the Russians are now more capable and Ukraine is struggling to recruit and arm. Nobody, unless Russian, backs Putin in this, I'm just not getting all the anger from people who want to see a continued war. If this was a boxing match and the West are in the Ukraine corner I would suggest throwing in the towel. If your really using the 'its going to cost a lot so is it worth it' argument I am somewhat surprised.. Defending ones sovereignty is above that, not many disagreed with Churchill and those who did were on the wrong side of history when he rallied the nation and the commonwealth at any cost to oppose tyranny.. My point on the cost is, Zelensky is going to lose land for sure, he is also going to be fighting to pay back the $billions of debt the country owes. Ukraine cannot win this, with or without weaponry support. Do you think they can? European countries have allowed Putin the freedom to manoeuvre through fear of not getting into conflict. They need to workout how they need to reverse the advantage Russia has now. Nato brings nothing to the table for Ukraine either, the rules of Nato make it impossible for Ukraine to join. So what is the alternative? NATO brings you article 5 guarantees… (an unprovoked attack on one is treated as an attack on them all I’d want some sort of security guarantee as the leader of Russia has said on many different occasions that he doesn’t believe that Ukraine should exist! So it’s either membership of NATO, or boots on the ground! They can't join Nato, Russia can prevent them joining, and so can any other Nato member, it is a ridiculous setup. " How can Russia prevent Ukraine entering NATO? The biggest obstacle to NATO membership is now the USA/Trump. NATO membership was a redline for Ukraine; no way will they accept a deal with Russia unless there are clear security guarantees for them. Trump has screwed Ukraine, having "negotiated" away NATO membership & US arms for them...it's clear NATO is fracturing & that Europe (EU+UK) need to get serious | |||
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"Well having just read some of what he said I'm sorry to say I agree. Our leaders have lost their core values and definitely haven't been putting the voters concerns and welfare first, and yes many European countries have been allowing wholesale migration allowing it to become a epidemic. And yes Europe shouldn't be so reliant on USA for defence particularly the UK. Not sure about the whole free speech stuff he was going on about, it's early and I'm tired will need to read it again. If you listen to the entire speech it was awful… I think what the Europeans found out was that the US are going to be an unstable and unreliable partner for the next 4 years, and Trump is probably going to try and take the US out of NATO Also for a party who got really tight about outside interference in their elections to then say that basically they shouldn’t condemn Elon for meddling in European politics was astounding…. " Well said. | |||
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"The US isn't going to allow Russia to roll (albeit slowly and at great cost of life) across Europe.. Bad for trade.. Is there any indication that's what the Russians want to do. No I don't think so but it's the oft trotted out by those who get all 'well if you think the butcher of innocents in Ukraine is intolerable (as it is wherever it occurs and not those who look like us) then go and fight.. The appeasers who keep stepping backwards rather than face up and challenge a dictator who no one wants to live under.. How is continuing a losing battle a good move? Ukraine will be paying back on their debts for many years to come, and for what? They didn't roll over and Russian tactics were awfully inept at the start of the war, giving Ukraine a chance to adapt and defend. They are now losing land and men daily as the Russians are now more capable and Ukraine is struggling to recruit and arm. Nobody, unless Russian, backs Putin in this, I'm just not getting all the anger from people who want to see a continued war. If this was a boxing match and the West are in the Ukraine corner I would suggest throwing in the towel. If your really using the 'its going to cost a lot so is it worth it' argument I am somewhat surprised.. Defending ones sovereignty is above that, not many disagreed with Churchill and those who did were on the wrong side of history when he rallied the nation and the commonwealth at any cost to oppose tyranny.. My point on the cost is, Zelensky is going to lose land for sure, he is also going to be fighting to pay back the $billions of debt the country owes. Ukraine cannot win this, with or without weaponry support. Do you think they can? European countries have allowed Putin the freedom to manoeuvre through fear of not getting into conflict. They need to workout how they need to reverse the advantage Russia has now. Nato brings nothing to the table for Ukraine either, the rules of Nato make it impossible for Ukraine to join. So what is the alternative? " The alternative is unthinkable.. The solution well that's beyond my retired pay grade but the heads of the European countries and trump need to come up with a solution whatever the cost as the cost of not stopping him where he is now is not something the continent can afford.. Personally I would think a buffet zone overseen by a coalition thats acceptable to Russia and Ukraine but that is in itself a huge task.. | |||
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"The US isn't going to allow Russia to roll (albeit slowly and at great cost of life) across Europe.. Bad for trade.. Is there any indication that's what the Russians want to do. No I don't think so but it's the oft trotted out by those who get all 'well if you think the butcher of innocents in Ukraine is intolerable (as it is wherever it occurs and not those who look like us) then go and fight.. The appeasers who keep stepping backwards rather than face up and challenge a dictator who no one wants to live under.. How is continuing a losing battle a good move? Ukraine will be paying back on their debts for many years to come, and for what? They didn't roll over and Russian tactics were awfully inept at the start of the war, giving Ukraine a chance to adapt and defend. They are now losing land and men daily as the Russians are now more capable and Ukraine is struggling to recruit and arm. Nobody, unless Russian, backs Putin in this, I'm just not getting all the anger from people who want to see a continued war. If this was a boxing match and the West are in the Ukraine corner I would suggest throwing in the towel. If your really using the 'its going to cost a lot so is it worth it' argument I am somewhat surprised.. Defending ones sovereignty is above that, not many disagreed with Churchill and those who did were on the wrong side of history when he rallied the nation and the commonwealth at any cost to oppose tyranny.. My point on the cost is, Zelensky is going to lose land for sure, he is also going to be fighting to pay back the $billions of debt the country owes. Ukraine cannot win this, with or without weaponry support. Do you think they can? European countries have allowed Putin the freedom to manoeuvre through fear of not getting into conflict. They need to workout how they need to reverse the advantage Russia has now. Nato brings nothing to the table for Ukraine either, the rules of Nato make it impossible for Ukraine to join. So what is the alternative? NATO brings you article 5 guarantees… (an unprovoked attack on one is treated as an attack on them all I’d want some sort of security guarantee as the leader of Russia has said on many different occasions that he doesn’t believe that Ukraine should exist! So it’s either membership of NATO, or boots on the ground!" as long as ukraines borders are disputed they cant join nato, thats natos own rules, and as for europe doing anything it wont happen, just look at our armed forces there isnt enough to fill wembley stadium and its not like people are falling over themselves to join the armed forces, what are we going to do? Start calling people up i cant see that being a vote winner, and rest of europes armed forces are in the same sort of state as ours, well apart from poland mabey | |||
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"Well having just read some of what he said I'm sorry to say I agree. Our leaders have lost their core values and definitely haven't been putting the voters concerns and welfare first, and yes many European countries have been allowing wholesale migration allowing it to become a epidemic. And yes Europe shouldn't be so reliant on USA for defence particularly the UK. Not sure about the whole free speech stuff he was going on about, it's early and I'm tired will need to read it again. If you listen to the entire speech it was awful… I think what the Europeans found out was that the US are going to be an unstable and unreliable partner for the next 4 years, and Trump is probably going to try and take the US out of NATO Also for a party who got really tight about outside interference in their elections to then say that basically they shouldn’t condemn Elon for meddling in European politics was astounding…. " If Trump takes US out of NATO, the fault is still with European countries for not investing enough in defense. US simply can't pay Europe's bill. As for foreign interference, there is a difference between calling out foreign interference in elections, pointing out their motives and actually annulling an election result saying that there was foreign interference. | |||
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"Well having just read some of what he said I'm sorry to say I agree. Our leaders have lost their core values and definitely haven't been putting the voters concerns and welfare first, and yes many European countries have been allowing wholesale migration allowing it to become a epidemic. And yes Europe shouldn't be so reliant on USA for defence particularly the UK. Not sure about the whole free speech stuff he was going on about, it's early and I'm tired will need to read it again. If you listen to the entire speech it was awful… I think what the Europeans found out was that the US are going to be an unstable and unreliable partner for the next 4 years, and Trump is probably going to try and take the US out of NATO Also for a party who got really tight about outside interference in their elections to then say that basically they shouldn’t condemn Elon for meddling in European politics was astounding…. If Trump takes US out of NATO, the fault is still with European countries for not investing enough in defense. US simply can't pay Europe's bill. As for foreign interference, there is a difference between calling out foreign interference in elections, pointing out their motives and actually annulling an election result saying that there was foreign interference. " Yes it's ridiculous to compare Musk offering personal opinions and support for parties in Europe and the cancellation of a whole election! Absurd comparison. | |||
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"Russia spends 9% of GDP on defence, most European countries struggle to get 2% and often cook the books to even reach that. Meanwhile The Times reports today on the NHS appointing DEI managers on £120k pa while the UK Supreme Ct has taken over 2 months and counting to decide what a woman is. European countries like UK are simply not serious countries anymore and Vance realises this. Unless we change very quickly we will become even more irrelevant and easy pickings for the real power brokers like Trump, Putin and Xi. " Just out of curiosity, do you know what a DEI manager is ? Also does that role truly exist in the NHS? I have a similar role but it's an addition to my usual role without any extra pay and fyi, my normal salary doesn't come anywhere close to £120,000  I have to say that I'm very concerned about this hate against DEI policies taking off here too. It's unfortunate that people who hate or are against them, tend to have little understanding of how they work.
On another note I would just appreciate it if we had politicians in power that are truly interested in making people's lives easier. Instead of blaming the world and it's mother for the problems we have
Just sort out things here first. Housing (nothing to do with immigrants ect, all to do with the governments lack of interest in building more affordable homes that help everyone), the fact that since COVID, the price of food is ridiculous (please don't say it's because of the Ukraine) BILLS BILLS BILLS - the money we earn shouldn't not go to shareholders - that's some serious BS. Poverty and the fact that people rely on food banks should make government leaders hang their heads in shame. But as usual people will get their information from the likes of the DM and any other crappy media outlets that's influenced by others power and has no interest in educating the masses on what really matters. For those who look at the USA and think that what they are doing is great, I sigh a great sigh because you have no idea about what's ahead and how that's going to impact negatively on so many of us, but I suppose that's the point. | |||
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"Well having just read some of what he said I'm sorry to say I agree. Our leaders have lost their core values and definitely haven't been putting the voters concerns and welfare first, and yes many European countries have been allowing wholesale migration allowing it to become a epidemic. And yes Europe shouldn't be so reliant on USA for defence particularly the UK. Not sure about the whole free speech stuff he was going on about, it's early and I'm tired will need to read it again. If you listen to the entire speech it was awful… I think what the Europeans found out was that the US are going to be an unstable and unreliable partner for the next 4 years, and Trump is probably going to try and take the US out of NATO Also for a party who got really tight about outside interference in their elections to then say that basically they shouldn’t condemn Elon for meddling in European politics was astounding…. If Trump takes US out of NATO, the fault is still with European countries for not investing enough in defense. US simply can't pay Europe's bill. As for foreign interference, there is a difference between calling out foreign interference in elections, pointing out their motives and actually annulling an election result saying that there was foreign interference. Yes it's ridiculous to compare Musk offering personal opinions and support for parties in Europe and the cancellation of a whole election! Absurd comparison." Yeah we had Labour party members supporting Kamala in the election. Republicans called it out. But it's not the same as cancelling a democratic mandate. Vance put it neatly: "I believe deeply that there is no security if you are afraid of the voices, the opinions and the conscience that guide your very own people. Europe faces many challenges. But the crisis this continent faces right now, the crisis I believe we all face together, is one of our own making. If you’re running in fear of your own voters, there is nothing America can do for you. Nor for that matter, is there anything that you can do for the American people who elected me and elected President Trump. You need democratic mandates to accomplish anything of value in the coming years." | |||
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"Russia spends 9% of GDP on defence, most European countries struggle to get 2% and often cook the books to even reach that. Meanwhile The Times reports today on the NHS appointing DEI managers on £120k pa while the UK Supreme Ct has taken over 2 months and counting to decide what a woman is. European countries like UK are simply not serious countries anymore and Vance realises this. Unless we change very quickly we will become even more irrelevant and easy pickings for the real power brokers like Trump, Putin and Xi. Just out of curiosity, do you know what a DEI manager is ? Also does that role truly exist in the NHS? I have a similar role but it's an addition to my usual role without any extra pay and fyi, my normal salary doesn't come anywhere close to £120,000 "Two roles cited by The Times were head of EDI in London at 95kpa and another head role at 120k pro rata. The divisive and ineffective role of DEI policies in NHS has been criticised by Wes Streeting so not a media invention at all. | |||
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"Russia spends 9% of GDP on defence, most European countries struggle to get 2% and often cook the books to even reach that. Meanwhile The Times reports today on the NHS appointing DEI managers on £120k pa while the UK Supreme Ct has taken over 2 months and counting to decide what a woman is. European countries like UK are simply not serious countries anymore and Vance realises this. Unless we change very quickly we will become even more irrelevant and easy pickings for the real power brokers like Trump, Putin and Xi. Just out of curiosity, do you know what a DEI manager is ? Also does that role truly exist in the NHS? I have a similar role but it's an addition to my usual role without any extra pay and fyi, my normal salary doesn't come anywhere close to £120,000 I have to say that I'm very concerned about this hate against DEI policies taking off here too. It's unfortunate that people who hate or are against them, tend to have little understanding of how they work.
"I work in tech and I believe DEI is a waste of time, money and is outright immoral. It causes more harm to minorities than good. It creates unfair hiring processes. | |||
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"Russia spends 9% of GDP on defence, most European countries struggle to get 2% and often cook the books to even reach that. Meanwhile The Times reports today on the NHS appointing DEI managers on £120k pa while the UK Supreme Ct has taken over 2 months and counting to decide what a woman is. European countries like UK are simply not serious countries anymore and Vance realises this. Unless we change very quickly we will become even more irrelevant and easy pickings for the real power brokers like Trump, Putin and Xi. Just out of curiosity, do you know what a DEI manager is ? Also does that role truly exist in the NHS? I have a similar role but it's an addition to my usual role without any extra pay and fyi, my normal salary doesn't come anywhere close to £120,000
Two roles cited by The Times were head of EDI in London at 95kpa and another head role at 120k pro rata. The divisive and ineffective role of DEI policies in NHS has been criticised by Wes Streeting so not a media invention at all."The American company I work for has a department within recruiting called "DEI recruiting". All jobs gone after Trump's win. | |||
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"Russia spends 9% of GDP on defence, most European countries struggle to get 2% and often cook the books to even reach that. Meanwhile The Times reports today on the NHS appointing DEI managers on £120k pa while the UK Supreme Ct has taken over 2 months and counting to decide what a woman is. European countries like UK are simply not serious countries anymore and Vance realises this. Unless we change very quickly we will become even more irrelevant and easy pickings for the real power brokers like Trump, Putin and Xi. Just out of curiosity, do you know what a DEI manager is ? Also does that role truly exist in the NHS? I have a similar role but it's an addition to my usual role without any extra pay and fyi, my normal salary doesn't come anywhere close to £120,000 I have to say that I'm very concerned about this hate against DEI policies taking off here too. It's unfortunate that people who hate or are against them, tend to have little understanding of how they work.
I work in tech and I believe DEI is a waste of time, money and is outright immoral. It causes more harm to minorities than good. It creates unfair hiring processes. "As a victim of such a process I totally agree | |||
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"Well having just read some of what he said I'm sorry to say I agree. Our leaders have lost their core values and definitely haven't been putting the voters concerns and welfare first, and yes many European countries have been allowing wholesale migration allowing it to become a epidemic. And yes Europe shouldn't be so reliant on USA for defence particularly the UK. Not sure about the whole free speech stuff he was going on about, it's early and I'm tired will need to read it again. If you listen to the entire speech it was awful… I think what the Europeans found out was that the US are going to be an unstable and unreliable partner for the next 4 years, and Trump is probably going to try and take the US out of NATO Also for a party who got really tight about outside interference in their elections to then say that basically they shouldn’t condemn Elon for meddling in European politics was astounding…. If Trump takes US out of NATO, the fault is still with European countries for not investing enough in defense. US simply can't pay Europe's bill. As for foreign interference, there is a difference between calling out foreign interference in elections, pointing out their motives and actually annulling an election result saying that there was foreign interference. Yes it's ridiculous to compare Musk offering personal opinions and support for parties in Europe and the cancellation of a whole election! Absurd comparison." May I ask what election has been cancelled and for what reason. Apologies for asking but seems to have gone straight over my head | |||
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"The US isn't going to allow Russia to roll (albeit slowly and at great cost of life) across Europe.. Bad for trade.. Is there any indication that's what the Russians want to do. No I don't think so but it's the oft trotted out by those who get all 'well if you think the butcher of innocents in Ukraine is intolerable (as it is wherever it occurs and not those who look like us) then go and fight.. The appeasers who keep stepping backwards rather than face up and challenge a dictator who no one wants to live under.. How is continuing a losing battle a good move? Ukraine will be paying back on their debts for many years to come, and for what? They didn't roll over and Russian tactics were awfully inept at the start of the war, giving Ukraine a chance to adapt and defend. They are now losing land and men daily as the Russians are now more capable and Ukraine is struggling to recruit and arm. Nobody, unless Russian, backs Putin in this, I'm just not getting all the anger from people who want to see a continued war. If this was a boxing match and the West are in the Ukraine corner I would suggest throwing in the towel. If your really using the 'its going to cost a lot so is it worth it' argument I am somewhat surprised.. Defending ones sovereignty is above that, not many disagreed with Churchill and those who did were on the wrong side of history when he rallied the nation and the commonwealth at any cost to oppose tyranny.. My point on the cost is, Zelensky is going to lose land for sure, he is also going to be fighting to pay back the $billions of debt the country owes. Ukraine cannot win this, with or without weaponry support. Do you think they can? European countries have allowed Putin the freedom to manoeuvre through fear of not getting into conflict. They need to workout how they need to reverse the advantage Russia has now. Nato brings nothing to the table for Ukraine either, the rules of Nato make it impossible for Ukraine to join. So what is the alternative? NATO brings you article 5 guarantees… (an unprovoked attack on one is treated as an attack on them all I’d want some sort of security guarantee as the leader of Russia has said on many different occasions that he doesn’t believe that Ukraine should exist! So it’s either membership of NATO, or boots on the ground! They can't join Nato, Russia can prevent them joining, and so can any other Nato member, it is a ridiculous setup. How can Russia prevent Ukraine entering NATO? The biggest obstacle to NATO membership is now the USA/Trump. NATO membership was a redline for Ukraine; no way will they accept a deal with Russia unless there are clear security guarantees for them. Trump has screwed Ukraine, having "negotiated" away NATO membership & US arms for them...it's clear NATO is fracturing & that Europe (EU+UK) need to get serious " The US is not its biggest obstacle it is just one of the many.... As long as Russia is fighting or even disputing Ukrainian borders they can't join Nato as part of the established Nato rules. Nato is not an option in its current guise for Ukraine | |||
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"Well having just read some of what he said I'm sorry to say I agree. Our leaders have lost their core values and definitely haven't been putting the voters concerns and welfare first, and yes many European countries have been allowing wholesale migration allowing it to become a epidemic. And yes Europe shouldn't be so reliant on USA for defence particularly the UK. Not sure about the whole free speech stuff he was going on about, it's early and I'm tired will need to read it again. If you listen to the entire speech it was awful… I think what the Europeans found out was that the US are going to be an unstable and unreliable partner for the next 4 years, and Trump is probably going to try and take the US out of NATO Also for a party who got really tight about outside interference in their elections to then say that basically they shouldn’t condemn Elon for meddling in European politics was astounding…. If Trump takes US out of NATO, the fault is still with European countries for not investing enough in defense. US simply can't pay Europe's bill. As for foreign interference, there is a difference between calling out foreign interference in elections, pointing out their motives and actually annulling an election result saying that there was foreign interference. Yes it's ridiculous to compare Musk offering personal opinions and support for parties in Europe and the cancellation of a whole election! Absurd comparison. May I ask what election has been cancelled and for what reason. Apologies for asking but seems to have gone straight over my head" Romanian Election which Vance made reference to. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3w805xjg1xo.amp | |||
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"Well having just read some of what he said I'm sorry to say I agree. Our leaders have lost their core values and definitely haven't been putting the voters concerns and welfare first, and yes many European countries have been allowing wholesale migration allowing it to become a epidemic. And yes Europe shouldn't be so reliant on USA for defence particularly the UK. Not sure about the whole free speech stuff he was going on about, it's early and I'm tired will need to read it again. If you listen to the entire speech it was awful… I think what the Europeans found out was that the US are going to be an unstable and unreliable partner for the next 4 years, and Trump is probably going to try and take the US out of NATO Also for a party who got really tight about outside interference in their elections to then say that basically they shouldn’t condemn Elon for meddling in European politics was astounding…. If Trump takes US out of NATO, the fault is still with European countries for not investing enough in defense. US simply can't pay Europe's bill. As for foreign interference, there is a difference between calling out foreign interference in elections, pointing out their motives and actually annulling an election result saying that there was foreign interference. Yes it's ridiculous to compare Musk offering personal opinions and support for parties in Europe and the cancellation of a whole election! Absurd comparison. May I ask what election has been cancelled and for what reason. Apologies for asking but seems to have gone straight over my head Romanian Election which Vance made reference to. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3w805xjg1xo.amp" Thank you. Quite a tangled web | |||
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"A NATO without US, great, but the US will not gave anyone to sell its goods to if and when Trump gets companies making products in the US. At the moment it is kicking tariffs around the globe like smarties. US without NATO then China and Russia will dictate what the US can make and sell as they will isolate and consume the US economically. The way it's going Putin will last longer in power than Trump and his dimwits, even his supporters now realise he is turning the US into a laughing stock." America sells a huge amount of weapons to middle Eastern countries like Saudi Arabia and even India, they also give billions in aid to countries like Israel which then uses the aid to buy American weapons, same as the aid to Ukraine given to Ukraine comes with the caveat that it's spent on US weapons. Putin has outlasted the 4 US presidents I think and if not for age would prob outlast the next 1 or 2. | |||
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