Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
 | Back to forum list |
| Back to Politics |
| Jump to newest |  |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"To Alice, yes I think he is serious unfortunately Besides netenyahu - I can't see many other leaders thinking it's a great idea. Not just because it's illegal under international law, but it's the treatment of Palestinians like they're cattle Jordan already has lots of refugees from the region including Iraqis that's undermining links with the USA who's threatened to cut 1.5 billion in aid to Jordan if they don't accept lots more from Palestine. And with the likes of netenyahu on the scene, any promises they can return to Gaza is worthless. One convicted criminal and one who's wanted for war crimes openly discussing committing more war crimes is remarkable. And yes I see others cheering this on. " At first I thought the Trump idea was good, but now I'm thinking pessimisticly, let the Palestinians go back rebuild and start again, there's no way forward from that. They'll be at it again and the cycle will continue. Peace in the middle east, just not feasible. It's been going on since the year dot, leaders have come and gone and they are still fighting Arab against Jew Arab against Arab, Jew against Arab. All a bit tedious. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"To Alice, yes I think he is serious unfortunately Besides netenyahu - I can't see many other leaders thinking it's a great idea. Not just because it's illegal under international law, but it's the treatment of Palestinians like they're cattle Jordan already has lots of refugees from the region including Iraqis that's undermining links with the USA who's threatened to cut 1.5 billion in aid to Jordan if they don't accept lots more from Palestine. And with the likes of netenyahu on the scene, any promises they can return to Gaza is worthless. One convicted criminal and one who's wanted for war crimes openly discussing committing more war crimes is remarkable. And yes I see others cheering this on. At first I thought the Trump idea was good, but now I'm thinking pessimisticly, let the Palestinians go back rebuild and start again, there's no way forward from that. They'll be at it again and the cycle will continue. Peace in the middle east, just not feasible. It's been going on since the year dot, leaders have come and gone and they are still fighting Arab against Jew Arab against Arab, Jew against Arab. All a bit tedious. " The issues of a Palestinian rebuild are many. Who pays for it? Who builds it, quality controls, who manages infrastructure and utility challenges. Hamas will want to control the rebuild be it in full view or behind the scenes, and they will without doubt rebuild tunnels and their own infrastructure in and under the homes. Charities will be involved again, they will also be under pressure not to repeat the same mistakes, however that is not going to happen under Hamas control, and the same mistakes will happen. As I mentioned on the last thread, Hamas thrives on conflict, while Israel prioritises security. Neither prioritises peace as the primary goal, which takes us back to your point of nothing will change. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So the latest comments by trump which is music to Netanyahu and his right wing cronies that the Palestinians WON'T be allowed to return to Gaza! I said in a comment when the ceasefire started Israel will find a way for it to fail so they can carry on with the war. Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be temporary homes and tents allowed in so far zero the same with other supplies but the Israelis are still blocking as much as possible." You are missing a glaringly obvious issue. Before they would be not allowed back, they would need to be removed, they are already there. Who is going to remove them, and how. Resources being allowed in will be halted in the drawn out hostage releases, both Israel and Hamas are moving pawns. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So the latest comments by trump which is music to Netanyahu and his right wing cronies that the Palestinians WON'T be allowed to return to Gaza! I said in a comment when the ceasefire started Israel will find a way for it to fail so they can carry on with the war. Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be temporary homes and tents allowed in so far zero the same with other supplies but the Israelis are still blocking as much as possible. You are missing a glaringly obvious issue. Before they would be not allowed back, they would need to be removed, they are already there. Who is going to remove them, and how. Resources being allowed in will be halted in the drawn out hostage releases, both Israel and Hamas are moving pawns." Sadly I think Hamas will use this period to rearm and resupply itself. If not removed from the equation, their terrorist ideology will ensure that the violence will restart. Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So the latest comments by trump which is music to Netanyahu and his right wing cronies that the Palestinians WON'T be allowed to return to Gaza! I said in a comment when the ceasefire started Israel will find a way for it to fail so they can carry on with the war. Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be temporary homes and tents allowed in so far zero the same with other supplies but the Israelis are still blocking as much as possible. You are missing a glaringly obvious issue. Before they would be not allowed back, they would need to be removed, they are already there. Who is going to remove them, and how. Resources being allowed in will be halted in the drawn out hostage releases, both Israel and Hamas are moving pawns.Sadly I think Hamas will use this period to rearm and resupply itself. If not removed from the equation, their terrorist ideology will ensure that the violence will restart. Mrs x " so I have no tolerance for hamas and I don't think parading the hostages is right but yet again you seem to only blame hamas. On Sunday the IDF shot a 8 month pregnant woman dead yesterday they killed 3 unarmed Palestinians for getting to close to the buffer zone. The IDF are blocking as many trucks carrying aid as possible including 0 temporary homes and tents which was agreed in the ceasefire! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So the latest comments by trump which is music to Netanyahu and his right wing cronies that the Palestinians WON'T be allowed to return to Gaza! I said in a comment when the ceasefire started Israel will find a way for it to fail so they can carry on with the war. Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be temporary homes and tents allowed in so far zero the same with other supplies but the Israelis are still blocking as much as possible. You are missing a glaringly obvious issue. Before they would be not allowed back, they would need to be removed, they are already there. Who is going to remove them, and how. Resources being allowed in will be halted in the drawn out hostage releases, both Israel and Hamas are moving pawns." yes but trump's comments are encouraging Israel to try the far right cronies of Netanyahu's government have again called for all water and food to be stopped to force the Palestinian people to move. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So the latest comments by trump which is music to Netanyahu and his right wing cronies that the Palestinians WON'T be allowed to return to Gaza! I said in a comment when the ceasefire started Israel will find a way for it to fail so they can carry on with the war. Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be temporary homes and tents allowed in so far zero the same with other supplies but the Israelis are still blocking as much as possible. You are missing a glaringly obvious issue. Before they would be not allowed back, they would need to be removed, they are already there. Who is going to remove them, and how. Resources being allowed in will be halted in the drawn out hostage releases, both Israel and Hamas are moving pawns. yes but trump's comments are encouraging Israel to try the far right cronies of Netanyahu's government have again called for all water and food to be stopped to force the Palestinian people to move." Trump is noise, nothing more nothing less, dangerous in the fact that people believe everything that he says and the media love to amplify the noise. However, if we take Trump out of the mix, we are left with 2 sides not trusting each other and the ramifications of that are a breakdown in hostage transfer which is Israel's priority. If Hamas are not careful they will be annexed swiftly and aid will continue to be controlled by Israel. Equally Israel face not having the rest of the hostages released. Neither are backing down, and it was a poor decision to draw out the hostage releases as they have done. I have this horrible feeling that the remaining hostages held by Hamas are either dead or in a terrible condition and this is also playing into the handover problems. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"If the news is correct the ultimatum is return of all hostages by midday Sunday or face Armageddon " By the looks of the place, they've faced Armageddon already .... and survived. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"If the news is correct the ultimatum is return of all hostages by midday Sunday or face Armageddon By the looks of the place, they've faced Armageddon already .... and survived." Well what’s left, eight years ago Trump ordered firing Tomahawk missiles into Syria in retaliation for the regime of Bashar Assad using nerve agents to attack his own people. Israel has a green card midday Sunday. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I think Trump is correct in the hostage exchange, swap them all in one go and get it over and done with. Dribs and drabs as he put it is opening the door for an inevitable issue. The worsening health of the hostages makes me feel uneasy about the numbers Hamas are holding alive. I'm also disturbed by the way Hamas parade the hostages before release, who are they actually choreographing this for, they are in my opinion strengthening the terrorist look.... " Tend to agree with this, I think the parading of the hostages is purely Hamas trying to exhibit some sort of 'we are still in control look' for their backers.. Same as the threat to cease the planned releases.. Playing a risky game as trump will let Netanyahu do anything literally if the deal fully collapses.. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"If the news is correct the ultimatum is return of all hostages by midday Sunday or face Armageddon By the looks of the place, they've faced Armageddon already .... and survived." Not to this level of destruction, plus Israel has the ability to restrict materials etc coming in from Syria which if they slow down the Egyptian border crossing might mean the Palestinians living in tents for a good while yet.. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I think Trump is correct in the hostage exchange, swap them all in one go and get it over and done with. Dribs and drabs as he put it is opening the door for an inevitable issue. The worsening health of the hostages makes me feel uneasy about the numbers Hamas are holding alive. I'm also disturbed by the way Hamas parade the hostages before release, who are they actually choreographing this for, they are in my opinion strengthening the terrorist look.... " I agree on Hamas parading hostages and waving flags wearing uniform. I suppose it's to show they're still intact. Looks like Jordan could be next to be destabilised. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? " Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"All things aside. I hope that the hostages are released by Hamas. They might want to find somewhere to hide first though. Because even if they do get them back by, or on Saturday, the IDF will sill be waiting to exterminate them straight away." There are reported 76 held, of which IDF says 34 are deceased, presumably murdered. 21 have been recently released in the ceasefire prisoner exchange deal. 42 presumed alive to be handed over by Saturday. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages" His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages" Netanyahu has never really been interested in getting them back its only the hostages families that have kept the pressure on he could of had a ceasefire a year ago but he wants war! But of course we know most will only blame hamas. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I might've asked this before but it seems to the layman that 30 or so PRISONERS in exchange for 3 HOSTAGES is weighted in favour of the terrorist....or am I about to be educated in my naivety " The answer in my opinion is Hamas hold hostages, Israel hold prisoners. The hostage is not guaranteed survival and is a bargaining chip, the trade is always going in favour of the hostage takers. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. " Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I might've asked this before but it seems to the layman that 30 or so PRISONERS in exchange for 3 HOSTAGES is weighted in favour of the terrorist....or am I about to be educated in my naivety The answer in my opinion is Hamas hold hostages, Israel hold prisoners. The hostage is not guaranteed survival and is a bargaining chip, the trade is always going in favour of the hostage takers. " Well amnesty international report Israeli authorities have dramatically increased their arbitrary detention of Palestinians across the occupied West Bank that facilitate inhuman and degrading treatment of prisoners and no investigationns of incidents of torture and death in custody over the past four weeks. Including the r⁴pe of "prisoners" I'm not trying to educate anyone just informing that prisoners were held without trial or by military tribunal | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x" Why can't it be called Palestine? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x" You support trump's proposal I take it - from your post | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x Why can't it be called Palestine?" Maybe because that's not the name for it? It's quite a basic thing really... Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x You support trump's proposal I take it - from your post" How you extrapolate that from my using the correct name for a region is very strange, Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x You support trump's proposal I take it - from your postHow you extrapolate that from my using the correct name for a region is very strange, Mrs x" I'll ask again - do you support trump's idea to clear Gaza | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x You support trump's proposal I take it - from your postHow you extrapolate that from my using the correct name for a region is very strange, Mrs x I'll ask again - do you support trump's idea to clear Gaza " You know I'm not going to answer your questions until you have answered mine, nice try. Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x You support trump's proposal I take it - from your postHow you extrapolate that from my using the correct name for a region is very strange, Mrs x I'll ask again - do you support trump's idea to clear Gaza You know I'm not going to answer your questions until you have answered mine, nice try. Mrs x" Palestine has a permanent seat at the UN. If you need any further assistance I don't mind educating you. As for your morman question, refer to the ICC and ICJ rulings unless as I suspect , you don't believe in the law. Your question also keeps altering so you must have a short memory. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x You support trump's proposal I take it - from your postHow you extrapolate that from my using the correct name for a region is very strange, Mrs x I'll ask again - do you support trump's idea to clear Gaza You know I'm not going to answer your questions until you have answered mine, nice try. Mrs x Palestine has a permanent seat at the UN. If you need any further assistance I don't mind educating you. As for your morman question, refer to the ICC and ICJ rulings unless as I suspect , you don't believe in the law. Your question also keeps altering so you must have a short memory. " Palestine is not a member of the UN. It has permanent observer status. Check your facts. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x You support trump's proposal I take it - from your postHow you extrapolate that from my using the correct name for a region is very strange, Mrs x I'll ask again - do you support trump's idea to clear Gaza You know I'm not going to answer your questions until you have answered mine, nice try. Mrs x Palestine has a permanent seat at the UN. If you need any further assistance I don't mind educating you. As for your morman question, refer to the ICC and ICJ rulings unless as I suspect , you don't believe in the law. Your question also keeps altering so you must have a short memory. " Palestine doesn't have a permanent seat on the UN. The Mormons have not been mentioned by the ICC or ICJ, never mind any rulings. Not sure where you get your information from but it's widely inaccurate. My question hasn't changed, it's very simple, just need a yes or no answer. Are Mormons terrorists? Are all followers of Islam terrorists? See its a simple question requiring a simple answer but judging from what you believe to be 'facts' it may be too much for you. Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I might've asked this before but it seems to the layman that 30 or so PRISONERS in exchange for 3 HOSTAGES is weighted in favour of the terrorist....or am I about to be educated in my naivety " It's a tactic used to dehumanise Palestinians I believe. One Isreali equals dozens of Palestinians | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I might've asked this before but it seems to the layman that 30 or so PRISONERS in exchange for 3 HOSTAGES is weighted in favour of the terrorist....or am I about to be educated in my naivety The answer in my opinion is Hamas hold hostages, Israel hold prisoners. The hostage is not guaranteed survival and is a bargaining chip, the trade is always going in favour of the hostage takers. Well amnesty international report Israeli authorities have dramatically increased their arbitrary detention of Palestinians across the occupied West Bank that facilitate inhuman and degrading treatment of prisoners and no investigationns of incidents of torture and death in custody over the past four weeks. Including the r⁴pe of "prisoners" I'm not trying to educate anyone just informing that prisoners were held without trial or by military tribunal " Administrative detentions are going to increase I would have thought as the perceived threat to Israel increases. It doesn't mean unlawful imprisonment though, which is the difference between a hostage and a prisoner. A hostage can be targeted but in the case of Hamas, a random opportunity to take a bargaining chip. The conditions and treatment of detainees is always going to be questionable, which leads me onto a 2 state solution. In my opinion a 2 state solution is a pipe dream, it is mentioned and championed because there is no alternative. The West bank is perfect example of how it would simply fall apart due to the intense pressure of basically 2 tribes wanting and believing they have a god given right to be there. I can't see a diplomatic answer for this region and the people who live there, for many more thousands of years to come. If the above is even slightly correct, what is next, what needs to happen, because I don't see anything considered that will stop the fighting. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I might've asked this before but it seems to the layman that 30 or so PRISONERS in exchange for 3 HOSTAGES is weighted in favour of the terrorist....or am I about to be educated in my naivety It's a tactic used to dehumanise Palestinians I believe. One Isreali equals dozens of Palestinians" That is simply not true. Think about it, would Israel rather do 1 - 1? Of course they would, but they feel their people who are held hostage, not prisoners are in danger of losing their lives and are willing to exchange heavily in favour of Hamas demands, rather than lose the life of a citizen. Maybe they should change their approach and never exchange or negotiate with terrorists, that might change the landscape. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I might've asked this before but it seems to the layman that 30 or so PRISONERS in exchange for 3 HOSTAGES is weighted in favour of the terrorist....or am I about to be educated in my naivety The answer in my opinion is Hamas hold hostages, Israel hold prisoners. The hostage is not guaranteed survival and is a bargaining chip, the trade is always going in favour of the hostage takers. Well amnesty international report Israeli authorities have dramatically increased their arbitrary detention of Palestinians across the occupied West Bank that facilitate inhuman and degrading treatment of prisoners and no investigationns of incidents of torture and death in custody over the past four weeks. Including the r⁴pe of "prisoners" I'm not trying to educate anyone just informing that prisoners were held without trial or by military tribunal Administrative detentions are going to increase I would have thought as the perceived threat to Israel increases. It doesn't mean unlawful imprisonment though, which is the difference between a hostage and a prisoner. A hostage can be targeted but in the case of Hamas, a random opportunity to take a bargaining chip. The conditions and treatment of detainees is always going to be questionable, which leads me onto a 2 state solution. In my opinion a 2 state solution is a pipe dream, it is mentioned and championed because there is no alternative. The West bank is perfect example of how it would simply fall apart due to the intense pressure of basically 2 tribes wanting and believing they have a god given right to be there. I can't see a diplomatic answer for this region and the people who live there, for many more thousands of years to come. If the above is even slightly correct, what is next, what needs to happen, because I don't see anything considered that will stop the fighting. " After 12 noon Saturday it will be a two state solution USA and Israel will own Gaza. 18th hole on the new golf course will be facing the Mediterranean | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I might've asked this before but it seems to the layman that 30 or so PRISONERS in exchange for 3 HOSTAGES is weighted in favour of the terrorist....or am I about to be educated in my naivety It's a tactic used to dehumanise Palestinians I believe. One Isreali equals dozens of Palestinians" Don't think it's that, I agree with the other poster and how he believes it's down to the vulnerability of the hostages. If Israel don't get them back soon there's a chance they might die and so are prepared to pay a premium, if you will, in this case it's in the ration of prisoners exchanged for hostages released. Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I might've asked this before but it seems to the layman that 30 or so PRISONERS in exchange for 3 HOSTAGES is weighted in favour of the terrorist....or am I about to be educated in my naivety " It was probably the only deal possible at the time in the face of an impossible rescue attempt and no other options. Palestinians have already paid dearly and will do again after midday Saturday. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I might've asked this before but it seems to the layman that 30 or so PRISONERS in exchange for 3 HOSTAGES is weighted in favour of the terrorist....or am I about to be educated in my naivety It was probably the only deal possible at the time in the face of an impossible rescue attempt and no other options. Palestinians have already paid dearly and will do again after midday Saturday. " And the Israelis? Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages" why would he it will never stop so might as well finish it now till One or both don't exist any more . | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Netanyahu wants war fact! The Israelis have just ordered one of the refugee camps in the occupied west bank to leave immediately bulldozing homes and roads. The IDF comes out with the same excuse yet never provide any evidence. What was the reason for shooting dead a 8 month pregnant woman on Monday maybe her unborn child was a terrorist! Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be 60.000 mobile homes let in so far the IDF have not allowed a single one thru!" The West Bank is not as one sided as you may think, I'm assuming you are not aware of the attacks on IDF checkpoints and the deaths of Israeli soldiers? Or Hamas and Islamic Jihad, increasing their attacks against Israeli forces and settlers? The pregnant woman and another woman both killed is under investigation. The Oct 7th attacks are not going to disappear from memory, every vulnerability Israel thinks it has, will be addressed with force. Things are never one sided in this area. On the supply front, they have let in shelters, they are not allowing in heavy machinery as I understand it. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Netanyahu wants war fact! The Israelis have just ordered one of the refugee camps in the occupied west bank to leave immediately bulldozing homes and roads. The IDF comes out with the same excuse yet never provide any evidence. What was the reason for shooting dead a 8 month pregnant woman on Monday maybe her unborn child was a terrorist! Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be 60.000 mobile homes let in so far the IDF have not allowed a single one thru! The West Bank is not as one sided as you may think, I'm assuming you are not aware of the attacks on IDF checkpoints and the deaths of Israeli soldiers? Or Hamas and Islamic Jihad, increasing their attacks against Israeli forces and settlers? The pregnant woman and another woman both killed is under investigation. The Oct 7th attacks are not going to disappear from memory, every vulnerability Israel thinks it has, will be addressed with force. Things are never one sided in this area. On the supply front, they have let in shelters, they are not allowing in heavy machinery as I understand it. " Don't mention Israelis coming under attack from Hamas otherwise you'll find that there's more attacks and they'll be against you... Well done for mentioning Islamic Jihad, highlighting the fact that there's not just one terrorist group in the area and don't challenged unconfirmed reports, in this case the mobile homes. Hamas hasn't even reported this, its coming from an unnamed Palestinian source. So run for cover, you've got incoming haha, Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I might've asked this before but it seems to the layman that 30 or so PRISONERS in exchange for 3 HOSTAGES is weighted in favour of the terrorist....or am I about to be educated in my naivety It was probably the only deal possible at the time in the face of an impossible rescue attempt and no other options. Palestinians have already paid dearly and will do again after midday Saturday. And the Israelis? Mrs x" Yes Israeli casualties too because netenyahu doesn't give a monkeys who or how many die | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x You support trump's proposal I take it - from your postHow you extrapolate that from my using the correct name for a region is very strange, Mrs x I'll ask again - do you support trump's idea to clear Gaza You know I'm not going to answer your questions until you have answered mine, nice try. Mrs x Palestine has a permanent seat at the UN. If you need any further assistance I don't mind educating you. As for your morman question, refer to the ICC and ICJ rulings unless as I suspect , you don't believe in the law. Your question also keeps altering so you must have a short memory. Palestine is not a member of the UN. It has permanent observer status. Check your facts." Then Palestine must exist then | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x You support trump's proposal I take it - from your postHow you extrapolate that from my using the correct name for a region is very strange, Mrs x I'll ask again - do you support trump's idea to clear Gaza You know I'm not going to answer your questions until you have answered mine, nice try. Mrs x Palestine has a permanent seat at the UN. If you need any further assistance I don't mind educating you. As for your morman question, refer to the ICC and ICJ rulings unless as I suspect , you don't believe in the law. Your question also keeps altering so you must have a short memory. Palestine is not a member of the UN. It has permanent observer status. Check your facts. Then Palestine must exist then" Not as a country it doesn't Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Netanyahu wants war fact! The Israelis have just ordered one of the refugee camps in the occupied west bank to leave immediately bulldozing homes and roads. The IDF comes out with the same excuse yet never provide any evidence. What was the reason for shooting dead a 8 month pregnant woman on Monday maybe her unborn child was a terrorist! Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be 60.000 mobile homes let in so far the IDF have not allowed a single one thru! The West Bank is not as one sided as you may think, I'm assuming you are not aware of the attacks on IDF checkpoints and the deaths of Israeli soldiers? Or Hamas and Islamic Jihad, increasing their attacks against Israeli forces and settlers? The pregnant woman and another woman both killed is under investigation. The Oct 7th attacks are not going to disappear from memory, every vulnerability Israel thinks it has, will be addressed with force. Things are never one sided in this area. On the supply front, they have let in shelters, they are not allowing in heavy machinery as I understand it. Don't mention Israelis coming under attack from Hamas otherwise you'll find that there's more attacks and they'll be against you... Well done for mentioning Islamic Jihad, highlighting the fact that there's not just one terrorist group in the area and don't challenged unconfirmed reports, in this case the mobile homes. Hamas hasn't even reported this, its coming from an unnamed Palestinian source. So run for cover, you've got incoming haha, Mrs x" If Israel didn't practice Zionist terrorism from day one there would be no Hamas or Hezbollah resistance fighters. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"To Alice, yes I think he is serious unfortunately Besides netenyahu - I can't see many other leaders thinking it's a great idea. Not just because it's illegal under international law, but it's the treatment of Palestinians like they're cattle Jordan already has lots of refugees from the region including Iraqis that's undermining links with the USA who's threatened to cut 1.5 billion in aid to Jordan if they don't accept lots more from Palestine. And with the likes of netenyahu on the scene, any promises they can return to Gaza is worthless. One convicted criminal and one who's wanted for war crimes openly discussing committing more war crimes is remarkable. And yes I see others cheering this on. At first I thought the Trump idea was good, but now I'm thinking pessimisticly, let the Palestinians go back rebuild and start again, there's no way forward from that. They'll be at it again and the cycle will continue. Peace in the middle east, just not feasible. It's been going on since the year dot, leaders have come and gone and they are still fighting Arab against Jew Arab against Arab, Jew against Arab. All a bit tedious. The issues of a Palestinian rebuild are many. Who pays for it? Who builds it, quality controls, who manages infrastructure and utility challenges. Hamas will want to control the rebuild be it in full view or behind the scenes, and they will without doubt rebuild tunnels and their own infrastructure in and under the homes. Charities will be involved again, they will also be under pressure not to repeat the same mistakes, however that is not going to happen under Hamas control, and the same mistakes will happen. As I mentioned on the last thread, Hamas thrives on conflict, while Israel prioritises security. Neither prioritises peace as the primary goal, which takes us back to your point of nothing will change." Is that why prior to Oct 7th 95 per cent of deaths in the conflict were Palestinians and 80 per cent of children suffering clinical psychological trauma as a result of constant Israeli bombardment. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So the latest comments by trump which is music to Netanyahu and his right wing cronies that the Palestinians WON'T be allowed to return to Gaza! I said in a comment when the ceasefire started Israel will find a way for it to fail so they can carry on with the war. Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be temporary homes and tents allowed in so far zero the same with other supplies but the Israelis are still blocking as much as possible. You are missing a glaringly obvious issue. Before they would be not allowed back, they would need to be removed, they are already there. Who is going to remove them, and how. Resources being allowed in will be halted in the drawn out hostage releases, both Israel and Hamas are moving pawns.Sadly I think Hamas will use this period to rearm and resupply itself. If not removed from the equation, their terrorist ideology will ensure that the violence will restart. Mrs x " How about the Zionist terrorism that created Hamas? Will they continue the terrorist acts after Saturday? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So the latest comments by trump which is music to Netanyahu and his right wing cronies that the Palestinians WON'T be allowed to return to Gaza! I said in a comment when the ceasefire started Israel will find a way for it to fail so they can carry on with the war. Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be temporary homes and tents allowed in so far zero the same with other supplies but the Israelis are still blocking as much as possible. You are missing a glaringly obvious issue. Before they would be not allowed back, they would need to be removed, they are already there. Who is going to remove them, and how. Resources being allowed in will be halted in the drawn out hostage releases, both Israel and Hamas are moving pawns.Sadly I think Hamas will use this period to rearm and resupply itself. If not removed from the equation, their terrorist ideology will ensure that the violence will restart. Mrs x so I have no tolerance for hamas and I don't think parading the hostages is right but yet again you seem to only blame hamas. On Sunday the IDF shot a 8 month pregnant woman dead yesterday they killed 3 unarmed Palestinians for getting to close to the buffer zone. The IDF are blocking as many trucks carrying aid as possible including 0 temporary homes and tents which was agreed in the ceasefire! " Pointless she is a zionist shill | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Netanyahu wants war fact! The Israelis have just ordered one of the refugee camps in the occupied west bank to leave immediately bulldozing homes and roads. The IDF comes out with the same excuse yet never provide any evidence. What was the reason for shooting dead a 8 month pregnant woman on Monday maybe her unborn child was a terrorist! Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be 60.000 mobile homes let in so far the IDF have not allowed a single one thru! The West Bank is not as one sided as you may think, I'm assuming you are not aware of the attacks on IDF checkpoints and the deaths of Israeli soldiers? Or Hamas and Islamic Jihad, increasing their attacks against Israeli forces and settlers? The pregnant woman and another woman both killed is under investigation. The Oct 7th attacks are not going to disappear from memory, every vulnerability Israel thinks it has, will be addressed with force. Things are never one sided in this area. On the supply front, they have let in shelters, they are not allowing in heavy machinery as I understand it. Don't mention Israelis coming under attack from Hamas otherwise you'll find that there's more attacks and they'll be against you... Well done for mentioning Islamic Jihad, highlighting the fact that there's not just one terrorist group in the area and don't challenged unconfirmed reports, in this case the mobile homes. Hamas hasn't even reported this, its coming from an unnamed Palestinian source. So run for cover, you've got incoming haha, Mrs x If Israel didn't practice Zionist terrorism from day one there would be no Hamas or Hezbollah resistance fighters." So they are not terrorists now they are resistance fighters, ok, Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So the latest comments by trump which is music to Netanyahu and his right wing cronies that the Palestinians WON'T be allowed to return to Gaza! I said in a comment when the ceasefire started Israel will find a way for it to fail so they can carry on with the war. Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be temporary homes and tents allowed in so far zero the same with other supplies but the Israelis are still blocking as much as possible. You are missing a glaringly obvious issue. Before they would be not allowed back, they would need to be removed, they are already there. Who is going to remove them, and how. Resources being allowed in will be halted in the drawn out hostage releases, both Israel and Hamas are moving pawns.Sadly I think Hamas will use this period to rearm and resupply itself. If not removed from the equation, their terrorist ideology will ensure that the violence will restart. Mrs x so I have no tolerance for hamas and I don't think parading the hostages is right but yet again you seem to only blame hamas. On Sunday the IDF shot a 8 month pregnant woman dead yesterday they killed 3 unarmed Palestinians for getting to close to the buffer zone. The IDF are blocking as many trucks carrying aid as possible including 0 temporary homes and tents which was agreed in the ceasefire! Pointless she is a zionist shill" A Jewish slur against an ex Catholic Irish woman is going to cut deep, ok not so deep, Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So the latest comments by trump which is music to Netanyahu and his right wing cronies that the Palestinians WON'T be allowed to return to Gaza! I said in a comment when the ceasefire started Israel will find a way for it to fail so they can carry on with the war. Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be temporary homes and tents allowed in so far zero the same with other supplies but the Israelis are still blocking as much as possible. You are missing a glaringly obvious issue. Before they would be not allowed back, they would need to be removed, they are already there. Who is going to remove them, and how. Resources being allowed in will be halted in the drawn out hostage releases, both Israel and Hamas are moving pawns.Sadly I think Hamas will use this period to rearm and resupply itself. If not removed from the equation, their terrorist ideology will ensure that the violence will restart. Mrs x How about the Zionist terrorism that created Hamas? Will they continue the terrorist acts after Saturday? " Which Zionists, Jewish, Christian, Arab or Mormon? Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Netanyahu wants war fact! The Israelis have just ordered one of the refugee camps in the occupied west bank to leave immediately bulldozing homes and roads. The IDF comes out with the same excuse yet never provide any evidence. What was the reason for shooting dead a 8 month pregnant woman on Monday maybe her unborn child was a terrorist! Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be 60.000 mobile homes let in so far the IDF have not allowed a single one thru! The West Bank is not as one sided as you may think, I'm assuming you are not aware of the attacks on IDF checkpoints and the deaths of Israeli soldiers? Or Hamas and Islamic Jihad, increasing their attacks against Israeli forces and settlers? The pregnant woman and another woman both killed is under investigation. The Oct 7th attacks are not going to disappear from memory, every vulnerability Israel thinks it has, will be addressed with force. Things are never one sided in this area. On the supply front, they have let in shelters, they are not allowing in heavy machinery as I understand it. Don't mention Israelis coming under attack from Hamas otherwise you'll find that there's more attacks and they'll be against you... Well done for mentioning Islamic Jihad, highlighting the fact that there's not just one terrorist group in the area and don't challenged unconfirmed reports, in this case the mobile homes. Hamas hasn't even reported this, its coming from an unnamed Palestinian source. So run for cover, you've got incoming haha, Mrs x If Israel didn't practice Zionist terrorism from day one there would be no Hamas or Hezbollah resistance fighters.So they are not terrorists now they are resistance fighters, ok, Mrs x" Some support the Zionist terrorist atrocities , some support Hamas - I support neither The Palestinian civilian people are the unarmed resistance fighters and I admire their courage, the same people you fail to have any empathy for | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x You support trump's proposal I take it - from your postHow you extrapolate that from my using the correct name for a region is very strange, Mrs x I'll ask again - do you support trump's idea to clear Gaza You know I'm not going to answer your questions until you have answered mine, nice try. Mrs x Palestine has a permanent seat at the UN. If you need any further assistance I don't mind educating you. As for your morman question, refer to the ICC and ICJ rulings unless as I suspect , you don't believe in the law. Your question also keeps altering so you must have a short memory. Palestine is not a member of the UN. It has permanent observer status. Check your facts. Then Palestine must exist then" Where have I said that Palestine doesn't exist? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So the latest comments by trump which is music to Netanyahu and his right wing cronies that the Palestinians WON'T be allowed to return to Gaza! I said in a comment when the ceasefire started Israel will find a way for it to fail so they can carry on with the war. Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be temporary homes and tents allowed in so far zero the same with other supplies but the Israelis are still blocking as much as possible. You are missing a glaringly obvious issue. Before they would be not allowed back, they would need to be removed, they are already there. Who is going to remove them, and how. Resources being allowed in will be halted in the drawn out hostage releases, both Israel and Hamas are moving pawns.Sadly I think Hamas will use this period to rearm and resupply itself. If not removed from the equation, their terrorist ideology will ensure that the violence will restart. Mrs x How about the Zionist terrorism that created Hamas? Will they continue the terrorist acts after Saturday? Which Zionists, Jewish, Christian, Arab or Mormon? Mrs x" If they support atrocities like some here support that netenyahu commits then that's your answer | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So the latest comments by trump which is music to Netanyahu and his right wing cronies that the Palestinians WON'T be allowed to return to Gaza! I said in a comment when the ceasefire started Israel will find a way for it to fail so they can carry on with the war. Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be temporary homes and tents allowed in so far zero the same with other supplies but the Israelis are still blocking as much as possible. You are missing a glaringly obvious issue. Before they would be not allowed back, they would need to be removed, they are already there. Who is going to remove them, and how. Resources being allowed in will be halted in the drawn out hostage releases, both Israel and Hamas are moving pawns.Sadly I think Hamas will use this period to rearm and resupply itself. If not removed from the equation, their terrorist ideology will ensure that the violence will restart. Mrs x How about the Zionist terrorism that created Hamas? Will they continue the terrorist acts after Saturday? Which Zionists, Jewish, Christian, Arab or Mormon? Mrs x" The unarmed Palestinian women children old men and others are the unarmed resistance that you have very little empathy for. You could ask them! The ones that haven't been killed that is for the ideology you support | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So the latest comments by trump which is music to Netanyahu and his right wing cronies that the Palestinians WON'T be allowed to return to Gaza! I said in a comment when the ceasefire started Israel will find a way for it to fail so they can carry on with the war. Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be temporary homes and tents allowed in so far zero the same with other supplies but the Israelis are still blocking as much as possible. You are missing a glaringly obvious issue. Before they would be not allowed back, they would need to be removed, they are already there. Who is going to remove them, and how. Resources being allowed in will be halted in the drawn out hostage releases, both Israel and Hamas are moving pawns.Sadly I think Hamas will use this period to rearm and resupply itself. If not removed from the equation, their terrorist ideology will ensure that the violence will restart. Mrs x How about the Zionist terrorism that created Hamas? Will they continue the terrorist acts after Saturday? Which Zionists, Jewish, Christian, Arab or Mormon? Mrs x The unarmed Palestinian women children old men and others are the unarmed resistance that you have very little empathy for. You could ask them! The ones that haven't been killed that is for the ideology you support" I do not support Zionism, I live in a different country from my birth and have no desire to return, which is the fundamental principle of Zionism, in all it's forms practised by people around tge globe from all different races and religions. So no I don't support Zionism or condemn the desire to return home which is what it's based upon. Forgot to mention African Zionism, is that to blame for Hamas as well? Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Netanyahu wants war fact! The Israelis have just ordered one of the refugee camps in the occupied west bank to leave immediately bulldozing homes and roads. The IDF comes out with the same excuse yet never provide any evidence. What was the reason for shooting dead a 8 month pregnant woman on Monday maybe her unborn child was a terrorist! Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be 60.000 mobile homes let in so far the IDF have not allowed a single one thru! The West Bank is not as one sided as you may think, I'm assuming you are not aware of the attacks on IDF checkpoints and the deaths of Israeli soldiers? Or Hamas and Islamic Jihad, increasing their attacks against Israeli forces and settlers? The pregnant woman and another woman both killed is under investigation. The Oct 7th attacks are not going to disappear from memory, every vulnerability Israel thinks it has, will be addressed with force. Things are never one sided in this area. On the supply front, they have let in shelters, they are not allowing in heavy machinery as I understand it. Don't mention Israelis coming under attack from Hamas otherwise you'll find that there's more attacks and they'll be against you... Well done for mentioning Islamic Jihad, highlighting the fact that there's not just one terrorist group in the area and don't challenged unconfirmed reports, in this case the mobile homes. Hamas hasn't even reported this, its coming from an unnamed Palestinian source. So run for cover, you've got incoming haha, Mrs x If Israel didn't practice Zionist terrorism from day one there would be no Hamas or Hezbollah resistance fighters.So they are not terrorists now they are resistance fighters, ok, Mrs x" You've always had unequivocal support for all the acts of terrorism that netenyahu has commited? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So the latest comments by trump which is music to Netanyahu and his right wing cronies that the Palestinians WON'T be allowed to return to Gaza! I said in a comment when the ceasefire started Israel will find a way for it to fail so they can carry on with the war. Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be temporary homes and tents allowed in so far zero the same with other supplies but the Israelis are still blocking as much as possible. You are missing a glaringly obvious issue. Before they would be not allowed back, they would need to be removed, they are already there. Who is going to remove them, and how. Resources being allowed in will be halted in the drawn out hostage releases, both Israel and Hamas are moving pawns.Sadly I think Hamas will use this period to rearm and resupply itself. If not removed from the equation, their terrorist ideology will ensure that the violence will restart. Mrs x How about the Zionist terrorism that created Hamas? Will they continue the terrorist acts after Saturday? Which Zionists, Jewish, Christian, Arab or Mormon? Mrs x The unarmed Palestinian women children old men and others are the unarmed resistance that you have very little empathy for. You could ask them! The ones that haven't been killed that is for the ideology you supportI do not support Zionism, I live in a different country from my birth and have no desire to return, which is the fundamental principle of Zionism, in all it's forms practised by people around tge globe from all different races and religions. So no I don't support Zionism or condemn the desire to return home which is what it's based upon. Forgot to mention African Zionism, is that to blame for Hamas as well? Mrs x" If they've actively supported what your netenyahu has done then yes | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So the latest comments by trump which is music to Netanyahu and his right wing cronies that the Palestinians WON'T be allowed to return to Gaza! I said in a comment when the ceasefire started Israel will find a way for it to fail so they can carry on with the war. Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be temporary homes and tents allowed in so far zero the same with other supplies but the Israelis are still blocking as much as possible. You are missing a glaringly obvious issue. Before they would be not allowed back, they would need to be removed, they are already there. Who is going to remove them, and how. Resources being allowed in will be halted in the drawn out hostage releases, both Israel and Hamas are moving pawns.Sadly I think Hamas will use this period to rearm and resupply itself. If not removed from the equation, their terrorist ideology will ensure that the violence will restart. Mrs x How about the Zionist terrorism that created Hamas? Will they continue the terrorist acts after Saturday? Which Zionists, Jewish, Christian, Arab or Mormon? Mrs x The unarmed Palestinian women children old men and others are the unarmed resistance that you have very little empathy for. You could ask them! The ones that haven't been killed that is for the ideology you supportI do not support Zionism, I live in a different country from my birth and have no desire to return, which is the fundamental principle of Zionism, in all it's forms practised by people around tge globe from all different races and religions. So no I don't support Zionism or condemn the desire to return home which is what it's based upon. I must remember not to feed the trolls Mrs x" | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Netanyahu wants war fact! The Israelis have just ordered one of the refugee camps in the occupied west bank to leave immediately bulldozing homes and roads. The IDF comes out with the same excuse yet never provide any evidence. What was the reason for shooting dead a 8 month pregnant woman on Monday maybe her unborn child was a terrorist! Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be 60.000 mobile homes let in so far the IDF have not allowed a single one thru! The West Bank is not as one sided as you may think, I'm assuming you are not aware of the attacks on IDF checkpoints and the deaths of Israeli soldiers? Or Hamas and Islamic Jihad, increasing their attacks against Israeli forces and settlers? The pregnant woman and another woman both killed is under investigation. The Oct 7th attacks are not going to disappear from memory, every vulnerability Israel thinks it has, will be addressed with force. Things are never one sided in this area. On the supply front, they have let in shelters, they are not allowing in heavy machinery as I understand it. Don't mention Israelis coming under attack from Hamas otherwise you'll find that there's more attacks and they'll be against you... Well done for mentioning Islamic Jihad, highlighting the fact that there's not just one terrorist group in the area and don't challenged unconfirmed reports, in this case the mobile homes. Hamas hasn't even reported this, its coming from an unnamed Palestinian source. So run for cover, you've got incoming haha, Mrs x If Israel didn't practice Zionist terrorism from day one there would be no Hamas or Hezbollah resistance fighters.So they are not terrorists now they are resistance fighters, ok, Mrs x You've always had unequivocal support for all the acts of terrorism that netenyahu has commited?" Not true, again you tell half truths. I've said from the very beginning all innocent deaths are a tragedy or either side. I'm just against terrorists and acts of terror, of which Hamas is one such terrorist organisation. That's all, nothing more. If any Israeli is found to have committed a crime then they should face the punishment for it. Hope this clears that up once and for all. So now I've answered that could you answer mine. Are all Zionists terrorists? Are all the followers of Islam terrorists? Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"To Alice, yes I think he is serious unfortunately Besides netenyahu - I can't see many other leaders thinking it's a great idea. Not just because it's illegal under international law, but it's the treatment of Palestinians like they're cattle Jordan already has lots of refugees from the region including Iraqis that's undermining links with the USA who's threatened to cut 1.5 billion in aid to Jordan if they don't accept lots more from Palestine. And with the likes of netenyahu on the scene, any promises they can return to Gaza is worthless. One convicted criminal and one who's wanted for war crimes openly discussing committing more war crimes is remarkable. And yes I see others cheering this on. At first I thought the Trump idea was good, but now I'm thinking pessimisticly, let the Palestinians go back rebuild and start again, there's no way forward from that. They'll be at it again and the cycle will continue. Peace in the middle east, just not feasible. It's been going on since the year dot, leaders have come and gone and they are still fighting Arab against Jew Arab against Arab, Jew against Arab. All a bit tedious. The issues of a Palestinian rebuild are many. Who pays for it? Who builds it, quality controls, who manages infrastructure and utility challenges. Hamas will want to control the rebuild be it in full view or behind the scenes, and they will without doubt rebuild tunnels and their own infrastructure in and under the homes. Charities will be involved again, they will also be under pressure not to repeat the same mistakes, however that is not going to happen under Hamas control, and the same mistakes will happen. As I mentioned on the last thread, Hamas thrives on conflict, while Israel prioritises security. Neither prioritises peace as the primary goal, which takes us back to your point of nothing will change.Is that why prior to Oct 7th 95 per cent of deaths in the conflict were Palestinians and 80 per cent of children suffering clinical psychological trauma as a result of constant Israeli bombardment. " I'm not following how your comment refers to any part of my post? If you could expand on what I have written and what how that ties in I can try and answer. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"To Alice, yes I think he is serious unfortunately Besides netenyahu - I can't see many other leaders thinking it's a great idea. Not just because it's illegal under international law, but it's the treatment of Palestinians like they're cattle Jordan already has lots of refugees from the region including Iraqis that's undermining links with the USA who's threatened to cut 1.5 billion in aid to Jordan if they don't accept lots more from Palestine. And with the likes of netenyahu on the scene, any promises they can return to Gaza is worthless. One convicted criminal and one who's wanted for war crimes openly discussing committing more war crimes is remarkable. And yes I see others cheering this on. At first I thought the Trump idea was good, but now I'm thinking pessimisticly, let the Palestinians go back rebuild and start again, there's no way forward from that. They'll be at it again and the cycle will continue. Peace in the middle east, just not feasible. It's been going on since the year dot, leaders have come and gone and they are still fighting Arab against Jew Arab against Arab, Jew against Arab. All a bit tedious. The issues of a Palestinian rebuild are many. Who pays for it? Who builds it, quality controls, who manages infrastructure and utility challenges. Hamas will want to control the rebuild be it in full view or behind the scenes, and they will without doubt rebuild tunnels and their own infrastructure in and under the homes. Charities will be involved again, they will also be under pressure not to repeat the same mistakes, however that is not going to happen under Hamas control, and the same mistakes will happen. As I mentioned on the last thread, Hamas thrives on conflict, while Israel prioritises security. Neither prioritises peace as the primary goal, which takes us back to your point of nothing will change.Is that why prior to Oct 7th 95 per cent of deaths in the conflict were Palestinians and 80 per cent of children suffering clinical psychological trauma as a result of constant Israeli bombardment. I'm not following how your comment refers to any part of my post? If you could expand on what I have written and what how that ties in I can try and answer. " Think he's just trying to justify Hamas's reasoning behind the terror attacks of Oct 7th, I could be wrong but that's the impression it gives. Can't see any real relation to your post. Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Netanyahu wants war fact! The Israelis have just ordered one of the refugee camps in the occupied west bank to leave immediately bulldozing homes and roads. The IDF comes out with the same excuse yet never provide any evidence. What was the reason for shooting dead a 8 month pregnant woman on Monday maybe her unborn child was a terrorist! Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be 60.000 mobile homes let in so far the IDF have not allowed a single one thru! The West Bank is not as one sided as you may think, I'm assuming you are not aware of the attacks on IDF checkpoints and the deaths of Israeli soldiers? Or Hamas and Islamic Jihad, increasing their attacks against Israeli forces and settlers? The pregnant woman and another woman both killed is under investigation. The Oct 7th attacks are not going to disappear from memory, every vulnerability Israel thinks it has, will be addressed with force. Things are never one sided in this area. On the supply front, they have let in shelters, they are not allowing in heavy machinery as I understand it. " under investigation in other words a whitewash as no Israeli soldiers are found guilty! And it's been reported by several different aid agencies that not a single mobile home has been let into Gaza. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Netanyahu wants war fact! The Israelis have just ordered one of the refugee camps in the occupied west bank to leave immediately bulldozing homes and roads. The IDF comes out with the same excuse yet never provide any evidence. What was the reason for shooting dead a 8 month pregnant woman on Monday maybe her unborn child was a terrorist! Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be 60.000 mobile homes let in so far the IDF have not allowed a single one thru! The West Bank is not as one sided as you may think, I'm assuming you are not aware of the attacks on IDF checkpoints and the deaths of Israeli soldiers? Or Hamas and Islamic Jihad, increasing their attacks against Israeli forces and settlers? The pregnant woman and another woman both killed is under investigation. The Oct 7th attacks are not going to disappear from memory, every vulnerability Israel thinks it has, will be addressed with force. Things are never one sided in this area. On the supply front, they have let in shelters, they are not allowing in heavy machinery as I understand it. under investigation in other words a whitewash as no Israeli soldiers are found guilty! And it's been reported by several different aid agencies that not a single mobile home has been let into Gaza." Been reported that an unnamed Palestinian source is claiming that but nothing from Hamas about that. Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Netanyahu wants war fact! The Israelis have just ordered one of the refugee camps in the occupied west bank to leave immediately bulldozing homes and roads. The IDF comes out with the same excuse yet never provide any evidence. What was the reason for shooting dead a 8 month pregnant woman on Monday maybe her unborn child was a terrorist! Under the ceasefire deal there was meant to be 60.000 mobile homes let in so far the IDF have not allowed a single one thru! The West Bank is not as one sided as you may think, I'm assuming you are not aware of the attacks on IDF checkpoints and the deaths of Israeli soldiers? Or Hamas and Islamic Jihad, increasing their attacks against Israeli forces and settlers? The pregnant woman and another woman both killed is under investigation. The Oct 7th attacks are not going to disappear from memory, every vulnerability Israel thinks it has, will be addressed with force. Things are never one sided in this area. On the supply front, they have let in shelters, they are not allowing in heavy machinery as I understand it. under investigation in other words a whitewash as no Israeli soldiers are found guilty! And it's been reported by several different aid agencies that not a single mobile home has been let into Gaza." I must be reading a different news source to you, what have the United Nations said on this matter? On the investigation side of things, you are jumping to conclusions, especially on guilt. Let’s see what comes out of the investigation and take it from there.. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Are all Zionists terrorists? Are all the followers of Islam terrorists? Mrs x " Islam is a religion whereas Zionism is an extremist branch of another religion so not comparable Followers of Islam - no they're not Followers of Judaism - no they're not Zionists? Isis? Taliban ? -Yes They all have one common theme they all have radicalised/extremist views, exercising relligious terrorism/extremism or violence used to achiieve certain religious goals fuelled by religious beliefs that their way is the rightious way Hamas? They're primarily an armed resistance group E.g. someone who fights against an invader in an occupied country AND Hamas alo commit acts of terrorism, with some extremist influence The IDF are influenced by religious Zionist extremism as I mentioned above and use terrorism to expand their borders The civilian population in Gaza are unarmed resistance movement who refuse to be evicted from their historical land so Europeans and anyone else with no connections to the region can take priority and live there based on religion alone. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"To Alice, yes I think he is serious unfortunately Besides netenyahu - I can't see many other leaders thinking it's a great idea. Not just because it's illegal under international law, but it's the treatment of Palestinians like they're cattle Jordan already has lots of refugees from the region including Iraqis that's undermining links with the USA who's threatened to cut 1.5 billion in aid to Jordan if they don't accept lots more from Palestine. And with the likes of netenyahu on the scene, any promises they can return to Gaza is worthless. One convicted criminal and one who's wanted for war crimes openly discussing committing more war crimes is remarkable. And yes I see others cheering this on. At first I thought the Trump idea was good, but now I'm thinking pessimisticly, let the Palestinians go back rebuild and start again, there's no way forward from that. They'll be at it again and the cycle will continue. Peace in the middle east, just not feasible. It's been going on since the year dot, leaders have come and gone and they are still fighting Arab against Jew Arab against Arab, Jew against Arab. All a bit tedious. " Exactly which year dot are you referring to? Hint- it ought to be circa WW2 and the balfour declaration (Balfour has a LOT to answer for) | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Exactly which year dot are you referring to? " Presumably the beginning of recorded history... Many of the earliest records of human civilisation are records of battles and the rise and fall of empires in the Middle East. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Are all Zionists terrorists? Are all the followers of Islam terrorists? Mrs x Islam is a religion whereas Zionism is an extremist branch of another religion so not comparable Followers of Islam - no they're not Followers of Judaism - no they're not Zionists? Isis? Taliban ? -Yes They all have one common theme they all have radicalised/extremist views, exercising relligious terrorism/extremism or violence used to achiieve certain religious goals fuelled by religious beliefs that their way is the rightious way Hamas? They're primarily an armed resistance group E.g. someone who fights against an invader in an occupied country AND Hamas alo commit acts of terrorism, with some extremist influence The IDF are influenced by religious Zionist extremism as I mentioned above and use terrorism to expand their borders The civilian population in Gaza are unarmed resistance movement who refuse to be evicted from their historical land so Europeans and anyone else with no connections to the region can take priority and live there based on religion alone. " Thanks for answering my question. You have a particular twisted view of Zionism, in that's it's just a violent ideology, when it's not and when it was founded it was purely a call to a return to a homeland. You stubbornly ignore the fact that Zionism is practiced in other parts of the world, by other groups with no violence whatsoever. Millions of Mormons follow Zionism, with no acts of terrorism or violence. Countries in Africa were established along Zionist principles, where ensl@ved, persecuted people were able to return home to their ancestral homeland to live in peace. Millions now live in Liberia on the back of Zionist ideals and they are not terrorists. What about the Kurds who followed Zionism when returning to Israel from Iran in the 1950s, another large group of Zionists who do not commit terrorism. In fact the Kurds, as a whole, is a terrible example for the Palestinians. The Kurds are a group, who are, like the Palestinians, looking for a state to call their own. The Jews support this, a homeland for an Arabic group who are currently stateless. It's the Palestinians who are the Kurds biggest opponents of this in the area, you couldn't make this up the hypocrisy of it. So I've shown you that Zionist live in different places all over the globe, peacefully and without committing any terrorism. So the issue is whether Zionism is used by a minority to commit acts of violence and yes it has. However that's like saying has Islam been used to commit terrorism and the answer is the same, yes it has but only by a minority. So are Zionist violent, the answer is an overwhelming no. Same for Muslim, they are overwhelmingly peaceful too. By claiming as you do the things yo do about Zionism you look like a zealot. Combine that with the facts that there is Zionism elsewhere, that's practised peacefully, then it suggests your issue are confined to just one area, just one group and it's these people you have an issue with. And as for your assertion that Hamas is a group of resistance fighters that grew out of Zionistic provocation it's just ridiculous. It was created in the 80s with the sole aim of controlling all of Mandatory Palestine and tge extermination of the Jews. It was in their constitution. Any reference to Zionism only occurred in 2017 when they changed the wording in their constitution to make it a little less antisemitic. But don't be fooled Hamas was born out of hatred of the Jews, otherwise if it's Zuonism why don't they mention Mormons, African, Arabs and Christians, all who have followed Zionist principles. Not all Zionists are violent, not all Muslims are terrorists but some people are just very, very bad. Hamas is very, very bad, Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Are all Zionists terrorists? Are all the followers of Islam terrorists? Mrs x Islam is a religion whereas Zionism is an extremist branch of another religion so not comparable Followers of Islam - no they're not Followers of Judaism - no they're not Zionists? Isis? Taliban ? -Yes They all have one common theme they all have radicalised/extremist views, exercising relligious terrorism/extremism or violence used to achiieve certain religious goals fuelled by religious beliefs that their way is the rightious way Hamas? They're primarily an armed resistance group E.g. someone who fights against an invader in an occupied country AND Hamas alo commit acts of terrorism, with some extremist influence The IDF are influenced by religious Zionist extremism as I mentioned above and use terrorism to expand their borders The civilian population in Gaza are unarmed resistance movement who refuse to be evicted from their historical land so Europeans and anyone else with no connections to the region can take priority and live there based on religion alone. Thanks for answering my question. You have a particular twisted view of Zionism, in that's it's just a violent ideology, when it's not and when it was founded it was purely a call to a return to a homeland. You stubbornly ignore the fact that Zionism is practiced in other parts of the world, by other groups with no violence whatsoever. Millions of Mormons follow Zionism, with no acts of terrorism or violence. Countries in Africa were established along Zionist principles, where ensl@ved, persecuted people were able to return home to their ancestral homeland to live in peace. Millions now live in Liberia on the back of Zionist ideals and they are not terrorists. What about the Kurds who followed Zionism when returning to Israel from Iran in the 1950s, another large group of Zionists who do not commit terrorism. In fact the Kurds, as a whole, is a terrible example for the Palestinians. The Kurds are a group, who are, like the Palestinians, looking for a state to call their own. The Jews support this, a homeland for an Arabic group who are currently stateless. It's the Palestinians who are the Kurds biggest opponents of this in the area, you couldn't make this up the hypocrisy of it. So I've shown you that Zionist live in different places all over the globe, peacefully and without committing any terrorism. So the issue is whether Zionism is used by a minority to commit acts of violence and yes it has. However that's like saying has Islam been used to commit terrorism and the answer is the same, yes it has but only by a minority. So are Zionist violent, the answer is an overwhelming no. Same for Muslim, they are overwhelmingly peaceful too. By claiming as you do the things yo do about Zionism you look like a zealot. Combine that with the facts that there is Zionism elsewhere, that's practised peacefully, then it suggests your issue are confined to just one area, just one group and it's these people you have an issue with. And as for your assertion that Hamas is a group of resistance fighters that grew out of Zionistic provocation it's just ridiculous. It was created in the 80s with the sole aim of controlling all of Mandatory Palestine and tge extermination of the Jews. It was in their constitution. Any reference to Zionism only occurred in 2017 when they changed the wording in their constitution to make it a little less antisemitic. But don't be fooled Hamas was born out of hatred of the Jews, otherwise if it's Zuonism why don't they mention Mormons, African, Arabs and Christians, all who have followed Zionist principles. Not all Zionists are violent, not all Muslims are terrorists but some people are just very, very bad. Hamas is very, very bad, Mrs x" Bless you I could just pinch your cheeks and wiggle them | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Are all Zionists terrorists? Are all the followers of Islam terrorists? Mrs x Islam is a religion whereas Zionism is an extremist branch of another religion so not comparable Followers of Islam - no they're not Followers of Judaism - no they're not Zionists? Isis? Taliban ? -Yes They all have one common theme they all have radicalised/extremist views, exercising relligious terrorism/extremism or violence used to achiieve certain religious goals fuelled by religious beliefs that their way is the rightious way Hamas? They're primarily an armed resistance group E.g. someone who fights against an invader in an occupied country AND Hamas alo commit acts of terrorism, with some extremist influence The IDF are influenced by religious Zionist extremism as I mentioned above and use terrorism to expand their borders The civilian population in Gaza are unarmed resistance movement who refuse to be evicted from their historical land so Europeans and anyone else with no connections to the region can take priority and live there based on religion alone. Thanks for answering my question. You have a particular twisted view of Zionism, in that's it's just a violent ideology, when it's not and when it was founded it was purely a call to a return to a homeland. You stubbornly ignore the fact that Zionism is practiced in other parts of the world, by other groups with no violence whatsoever. Millions of Mormons follow Zionism, with no acts of terrorism or violence. Countries in Africa were established along Zionist principles, where ensl@ved, persecuted people were able to return home to their ancestral homeland to live in peace. Millions now live in Liberia on the back of Zionist ideals and they are not terrorists. What about the Kurds who followed Zionism when returning to Israel from Iran in the 1950s, another large group of Zionists who do not commit terrorism. In fact the Kurds, as a whole, is a terrible example for the Palestinians. The Kurds are a group, who are, like the Palestinians, looking for a state to call their own. The Jews support this, a homeland for an Arabic group who are currently stateless. It's the Palestinians who are the Kurds biggest opponents of this in the area, you couldn't make this up the hypocrisy of it. So I've shown you that Zionist live in different places all over the globe, peacefully and without committing any terrorism. So the issue is whether Zionism is used by a minority to commit acts of violence and yes it has. However that's like saying has Islam been used to commit terrorism and the answer is the same, yes it has but only by a minority. So are Zionist violent, the answer is an overwhelming no. Same for Muslim, they are overwhelmingly peaceful too. By claiming as you do the things yo do about Zionism you look like a zealot. Combine that with the facts that there is Zionism elsewhere, that's practised peacefully, then it suggests your issue are confined to just one area, just one group and it's these people you have an issue with. And as for your assertion that Hamas is a group of resistance fighters that grew out of Zionistic provocation it's just ridiculous. It was created in the 80s with the sole aim of controlling all of Mandatory Palestine and tge extermination of the Jews. It was in their constitution. Any reference to Zionism only occurred in 2017 when they changed the wording in their constitution to make it a little less antisemitic. But don't be fooled Hamas was born out of hatred of the Jews, otherwise if it's Zuonism why don't they mention Mormons, African, Arabs and Christians, all who have followed Zionist principles. Not all Zionists are violent, not all Muslims are terrorists but some people are just very, very bad. Hamas is very, very bad, Mrs x Bless you I could just pinch your cheeks and wiggle them" Ignorance really is bliss, Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Are all Zionists terrorists? Are all the followers of Islam terrorists? Mrs x Islam is a religion whereas Zionism is an extremist branch of another religion so not comparable Followers of Islam - no they're not Followers of Judaism - no they're not Zionists? Isis? Taliban ? -Yes They all have one common theme they all have radicalised/extremist views, exercising relligious terrorism/extremism or violence used to achiieve certain religious goals fuelled by religious beliefs that their way is the rightious way Hamas? They're primarily an armed resistance group E.g. someone who fights against an invader in an occupied country AND Hamas alo commit acts of terrorism, with some extremist influence The IDF are influenced by religious Zionist extremism as I mentioned above and use terrorism to expand their borders The civilian population in Gaza are unarmed resistance movement who refuse to be evicted from their historical land so Europeans and anyone else with no connections to the region can take priority and live there based on religion alone. Thanks for answering my question. You have a particular twisted view of Zionism, in that's it's just a violent ideology, when it's not and when it was founded it was purely a call to a return to a homeland. You stubbornly ignore the fact that Zionism is practiced in other parts of the world, by other groups with no violence whatsoever. Millions of Mormons follow Zionism, with no acts of terrorism or violence. Countries in Africa were established along Zionist principles, where ensl@ved, persecuted people were able to return home to their ancestral homeland to live in peace. Millions now live in Liberia on the back of Zionist ideals and they are not terrorists. What about the Kurds who followed Zionism when returning to Israel from Iran in the 1950s, another large group of Zionists who do not commit terrorism. In fact the Kurds, as a whole, is a terrible example for the Palestinians. The Kurds are a group, who are, like the Palestinians, looking for a state to call their own. The Jews support this, a homeland for an Arabic group who are currently stateless. It's the Palestinians who are the Kurds biggest opponents of this in the area, you couldn't make this up the hypocrisy of it. So I've shown you that Zionist live in different places all over the globe, peacefully and without committing any terrorism. So the issue is whether Zionism is used by a minority to commit acts of violence and yes it has. However that's like saying has Islam been used to commit terrorism and the answer is the same, yes it has but only by a minority. So are Zionist violent, the answer is an overwhelming no. Same for Muslim, they are overwhelmingly peaceful too. By claiming as you do the things yo do about Zionism you look like a zealot. Combine that with the facts that there is Zionism elsewhere, that's practised peacefully, then it suggests your issue are confined to just one area, just one group and it's these people you have an issue with. And as for your assertion that Hamas is a group of resistance fighters that grew out of Zionistic provocation it's just ridiculous. It was created in the 80s with the sole aim of controlling all of Mandatory Palestine and tge extermination of the Jews. It was in their constitution. Any reference to Zionism only occurred in 2017 when they changed the wording in their constitution to make it a little less antisemitic. But don't be fooled Hamas was born out of hatred of the Jews, otherwise if it's Zuonism why don't they mention Mormons, African, Arabs and Christians, all who have followed Zionist principles. Not all Zionists are violent, not all Muslims are terrorists but some people are just very, very bad. Hamas is very, very bad, Mrs x Bless you I could just pinch your cheeks and wiggle themIgnorance really is bliss, Mrs x" You must be in paradise then. So what your saying is if Zionists forcibly take land illegally using acts of terrorism then it's okay. If the Palestinians have the ordacity to resisthsving land illegally taken from them then they're very bad people. You are sooo clever aren't you 
Does your hypocrisy work for the Ukraine?
The evil Ukrainians committing acts of terrorism against Russia who only want to ILLEGALLY take more land ..
 ...  .. naaar your hypocrisy isn't working there.
Tell you what , why don't we follow international law instead of your illogical horse crap | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Are all Zionists terrorists? Are all the followers of Islam terrorists? Mrs x Islam is a religion whereas Zionism is an extremist branch of another religion so not comparable Followers of Islam - no they're not Followers of Judaism - no they're not Zionists? Isis? Taliban ? -Yes They all have one common theme they all have radicalised/extremist views, exercising relligious terrorism/extremism or violence used to achiieve certain religious goals fuelled by religious beliefs that their way is the rightious way Hamas? They're primarily an armed resistance group E.g. someone who fights against an invader in an occupied country AND Hamas alo commit acts of terrorism, with some extremist influence The IDF are influenced by religious Zionist extremism as I mentioned above and use terrorism to expand their borders The civilian population in Gaza are unarmed resistance movement who refuse to be evicted from their historical land so Europeans and anyone else with no connections to the region can take priority and live there based on religion alone. Thanks for answering my question. You have a particular twisted view of Zionism, in that's it's just a violent ideology, when it's not and when it was founded it was purely a call to a return to a homeland. You stubbornly ignore the fact that Zionism is practiced in other parts of the world, by other groups with no violence whatsoever. Millions of Mormons follow Zionism, with no acts of terrorism or violence. Countries in Africa were established along Zionist principles, where ensl@ved, persecuted people were able to return home to their ancestral homeland to live in peace. Millions now live in Liberia on the back of Zionist ideals and they are not terrorists. What about the Kurds who followed Zionism when returning to Israel from Iran in the 1950s, another large group of Zionists who do not commit terrorism. In fact the Kurds, as a whole, is a terrible example for the Palestinians. The Kurds are a group, who are, like the Palestinians, looking for a state to call their own. The Jews support this, a homeland for an Arabic group who are currently stateless. It's the Palestinians who are the Kurds biggest opponents of this in the area, you couldn't make this up the hypocrisy of it. So I've shown you that Zionist live in different places all over the globe, peacefully and without committing any terrorism. So the issue is whether Zionism is used by a minority to commit acts of violence and yes it has. However that's like saying has Islam been used to commit terrorism and the answer is the same, yes it has but only by a minority. So are Zionist violent, the answer is an overwhelming no. Same for Muslim, they are overwhelmingly peaceful too. By claiming as you do the things yo do about Zionism you look like a zealot. Combine that with the facts that there is Zionism elsewhere, that's practised peacefully, then it suggests your issue are confined to just one area, just one group and it's these people you have an issue with. And as for your assertion that Hamas is a group of resistance fighters that grew out of Zionistic provocation it's just ridiculous. It was created in the 80s with the sole aim of controlling all of Mandatory Palestine and tge extermination of the Jews. It was in their constitution. Any reference to Zionism only occurred in 2017 when they changed the wording in their constitution to make it a little less antisemitic. But don't be fooled Hamas was born out of hatred of the Jews, otherwise if it's Zuonism why don't they mention Mormons, African, Arabs and Christians, all who have followed Zionist principles. Not all Zionists are violent, not all Muslims are terrorists but some people are just very, very bad. Hamas is very, very bad, Mrs x Bless you I could just pinch your cheeks and wiggle themIgnorance really is bliss, Mrs x You must be in paradise then. So what your saying is if Zionists forcibly take land illegally using acts of terrorism then it's okay. If the Palestinians have the ordacity to resisthsving land illegally taken from them then they're very bad people. You are sooo clever aren't you
Does your hypocrisy work for the Ukraine?
The evil Ukrainians committing acts of terrorism against Russia who only want to ILLEGALLY take more land ..
... .. naaar your hypocrisy isn't working there.
Tell you what , why don't we follow international law instead of your illogical horse crap"Never said anything of the sort, you are making up stuff again. You really need to stop conflating Palestinians and Hamas, they are not the same. In the West Bank it's Palestinians and Fatah, again two separate groups. Only Hamas and Fatah are terrorist groups, although they may have Palestinian members. It would help your arguments, even the made up ones, if you could recognise this but I'm not sure you'd recognise your own reflection in a mirror if I told you that that was you staring back at yourself just because it was me saying it. Just try not to conflate different groups, it will help you in the long run, Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Are all Zionists terrorists? Are all the followers of Islam terrorists? Mrs x Islam is a religion whereas Zionism is an extremist branch of another religion so not comparable Followers of Islam - no they're not Followers of Judaism - no they're not Zionists? Isis? Taliban ? -Yes They all have one common theme they all have radicalised/extremist views, exercising relligious terrorism/extremism or violence used to achiieve certain religious goals fuelled by religious beliefs that their way is the rightious way Hamas? They're primarily an armed resistance group E.g. someone who fights against an invader in an occupied country AND Hamas alo commit acts of terrorism, with some extremist influence The IDF are influenced by religious Zionist extremism as I mentioned above and use terrorism to expand their borders The civilian population in Gaza are unarmed resistance movement who refuse to be evicted from their historical land so Europeans and anyone else with no connections to the region can take priority and live there based on religion alone. Thanks for answering my question. You have a particular twisted view of Zionism, in that's it's just a violent ideology, when it's not and when it was founded it was purely a call to a return to a homeland. You stubbornly ignore the fact that Zionism is practiced in other parts of the world, by other groups with no violence whatsoever. Millions of Mormons follow Zionism, with no acts of terrorism or violence. Countries in Africa were established along Zionist principles, where ensl@ved, persecuted people were able to return home to their ancestral homeland to live in peace. Millions now live in Liberia on the back of Zionist ideals and they are not terrorists. What about the Kurds who followed Zionism when returning to Israel from Iran in the 1950s, another large group of Zionists who do not commit terrorism. In fact the Kurds, as a whole, is a terrible example for the Palestinians. The Kurds are a group, who are, like the Palestinians, looking for a state to call their own. The Jews support this, a homeland for an Arabic group who are currently stateless. It's the Palestinians who are the Kurds biggest opponents of this in the area, you couldn't make this up the hypocrisy of it. So I've shown you that Zionist live in different places all over the globe, peacefully and without committing any terrorism. So the issue is whether Zionism is used by a minority to commit acts of violence and yes it has. However that's like saying has Islam been used to commit terrorism and the answer is the same, yes it has but only by a minority. So are Zionist violent, the answer is an overwhelming no. Same for Muslim, they are overwhelmingly peaceful too. By claiming as you do the things yo do about Zionism you look like a zealot. Combine that with the facts that there is Zionism elsewhere, that's practised peacefully, then it suggests your issue are confined to just one area, just one group and it's these people you have an issue with. And as for your assertion that Hamas is a group of resistance fighters that grew out of Zionistic provocation it's just ridiculous. It was created in the 80s with the sole aim of controlling all of Mandatory Palestine and tge extermination of the Jews. It was in their constitution. Any reference to Zionism only occurred in 2017 when they changed the wording in their constitution to make it a little less antisemitic. But don't be fooled Hamas was born out of hatred of the Jews, otherwise if it's Zuonism why don't they mention Mormons, African, Arabs and Christians, all who have followed Zionist principles. Not all Zionists are violent, not all Muslims are terrorists but some people are just very, very bad. Hamas is very, very bad, Mrs x Bless you I could just pinch your cheeks and wiggle themIgnorance really is bliss, Mrs x You must be in paradise then. So what your saying is if Zionists forcibly take land illegally using acts of terrorism then it's okay. If the Palestinians have the ordacity to resisthsving land illegally taken from them then they're very bad people. You are sooo clever aren't you
Does your hypocrisy work for the Ukraine?
The evil Ukrainians committing acts of terrorism against Russia who only want to ILLEGALLY take more land ..
... .. naaar your hypocrisy isn't working there.
Tell you what , why don't we follow international law instead of your illogical horse crapNever said anything of the sort, you are making up stuff again.
You really need to stop conflating Palestinians and Hamas, they are not the same.
In the West Bank it's Palestinians and Fatah, again two separate groups.
Only Hamas and Fatah are terrorist groups, although they may have Palestinian members.
It would help your arguments, even the made up ones, if you could recognise this but I'm not sure you'd recognise your own reflection in a mirror if I told you that that was you staring back at yourself just because it was me saying it.
Just try not to conflate different groups, it will help you in the long run,
Mrs x"It's clear that international law was created to act against people with mentality like yourself. I'm a firm believer in law and international law which may not be perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than your version you support that's caused acts of genocide, violence oppression and instability in the world so I'll take no lectures from the likes of yourself. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Are all Zionists terrorists? Are all the followers of Islam terrorists? Mrs x Islam is a religion whereas Zionism is an extremist branch of another religion so not comparable Followers of Islam - no they're not Followers of Judaism - no they're not Zionists? Isis? Taliban ? -Yes They all have one common theme they all have radicalised/extremist views, exercising relligious terrorism/extremism or violence used to achiieve certain religious goals fuelled by religious beliefs that their way is the rightious way Hamas? They're primarily an armed resistance group E.g. someone who fights against an invader in an occupied country AND Hamas alo commit acts of terrorism, with some extremist influence The IDF are influenced by religious Zionist extremism as I mentioned above and use terrorism to expand their borders The civilian population in Gaza are unarmed resistance movement who refuse to be evicted from their historical land so Europeans and anyone else with no connections to the region can take priority and live there based on religion alone. Thanks for answering my question. You have a particular twisted view of Zionism, in that's it's just a violent ideology, when it's not and when it was founded it was purely a call to a return to a homeland. You stubbornly ignore the fact that Zionism is practiced in other parts of the world, by other groups with no violence whatsoever. Millions of Mormons follow Zionism, with no acts of terrorism or violence. Countries in Africa were established along Zionist principles, where ensl@ved, persecuted people were able to return home to their ancestral homeland to live in peace. Millions now live in Liberia on the back of Zionist ideals and they are not terrorists. What about the Kurds who followed Zionism when returning to Israel from Iran in the 1950s, another large group of Zionists who do not commit terrorism. In fact the Kurds, as a whole, is a terrible example for the Palestinians. The Kurds are a group, who are, like the Palestinians, looking for a state to call their own. The Jews support this, a homeland for an Arabic group who are currently stateless. It's the Palestinians who are the Kurds biggest opponents of this in the area, you couldn't make this up the hypocrisy of it. So I've shown you that Zionist live in different places all over the globe, peacefully and without committing any terrorism. So the issue is whether Zionism is used by a minority to commit acts of violence and yes it has. However that's like saying has Islam been used to commit terrorism and the answer is the same, yes it has but only by a minority. So are Zionist violent, the answer is an overwhelming no. Same for Muslim, they are overwhelmingly peaceful too. By claiming as you do the things yo do about Zionism you look like a zealot. Combine that with the facts that there is Zionism elsewhere, that's practised peacefully, then it suggests your issue are confined to just one area, just one group and it's these people you have an issue with. And as for your assertion that Hamas is a group of resistance fighters that grew out of Zionistic provocation it's just ridiculous. It was created in the 80s with the sole aim of controlling all of Mandatory Palestine and tge extermination of the Jews. It was in their constitution. Any reference to Zionism only occurred in 2017 when they changed the wording in their constitution to make it a little less antisemitic. But don't be fooled Hamas was born out of hatred of the Jews, otherwise if it's Zuonism why don't they mention Mormons, African, Arabs and Christians, all who have followed Zionist principles. Not all Zionists are violent, not all Muslims are terrorists but some people are just very, very bad. Hamas is very, very bad, Mrs x Bless you I could just pinch your cheeks and wiggle themIgnorance really is bliss, Mrs x You must be in paradise then. So what your saying is if Zionists forcibly take land illegally using acts of terrorism then it's okay. If the Palestinians have the ordacity to resisthsving land illegally taken from them then they're very bad people. You are sooo clever aren't you
Does your hypocrisy work for the Ukraine?
The evil Ukrainians committing acts of terrorism against Russia who only want to ILLEGALLY take more land ..
... .. naaar your hypocrisy isn't working there.
Tell you what , why don't we follow international law instead of your illogical horse crapNever said anything of the sort, you are making up stuff again.
You really need to stop conflating Palestinians and Hamas, they are not the same.
In the West Bank it's Palestinians and Fatah, again two separate groups.
Only Hamas and Fatah are terrorist groups, although they may have Palestinian members.
It would help your arguments, even the made up ones, if you could recognise this but I'm not sure you'd recognise your own reflection in a mirror if I told you that that was you staring back at yourself just because it was me saying it.
Just try not to conflate different groups, it will help you in the long run,
Mrs x
It's clear that international law was created to act against people with mentality like yourself.
I'm a firm believer in law and international law which may not be perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than your version you support that's caused acts of genocide, violence oppression and instability in the world so I'll take no lectures from the likes of yourself.
"So go on, this should be good, what International Law are you talking about, anything in particular or are you just saying 'International Law' because you think it sounds good. Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Are all Zionists terrorists? Are all the followers of Islam terrorists? Mrs x Islam is a religion whereas Zionism is an extremist branch of another religion so not comparable Followers of Islam - no they're not Followers of Judaism - no they're not Zionists? Isis? Taliban ? -Yes They all have one common theme they all have radicalised/extremist views, exercising relligious terrorism/extremism or violence used to achiieve certain religious goals fuelled by religious beliefs that their way is the rightious way Hamas? They're primarily an armed resistance group E.g. someone who fights against an invader in an occupied country AND Hamas alo commit acts of terrorism, with some extremist influence The IDF are influenced by religious Zionist extremism as I mentioned above and use terrorism to expand their borders The civilian population in Gaza are unarmed resistance movement who refuse to be evicted from their historical land so Europeans and anyone else with no connections to the region can take priority and live there based on religion alone. Thanks for answering my question. You have a particular twisted view of Zionism, in that's it's just a violent ideology, when it's not and when it was founded it was purely a call to a return to a homeland. You stubbornly ignore the fact that Zionism is practiced in other parts of the world, by other groups with no violence whatsoever. Millions of Mormons follow Zionism, with no acts of terrorism or violence. Countries in Africa were established along Zionist principles, where ensl@ved, persecuted people were able to return home to their ancestral homeland to live in peace. Millions now live in Liberia on the back of Zionist ideals and they are not terrorists. What about the Kurds who followed Zionism when returning to Israel from Iran in the 1950s, another large group of Zionists who do not commit terrorism. In fact the Kurds, as a whole, is a terrible example for the Palestinians. The Kurds are a group, who are, like the Palestinians, looking for a state to call their own. The Jews support this, a homeland for an Arabic group who are currently stateless. It's the Palestinians who are the Kurds biggest opponents of this in the area, you couldn't make this up the hypocrisy of it. So I've shown you that Zionist live in different places all over the globe, peacefully and without committing any terrorism. So the issue is whether Zionism is used by a minority to commit acts of violence and yes it has. However that's like saying has Islam been used to commit terrorism and the answer is the same, yes it has but only by a minority. So are Zionist violent, the answer is an overwhelming no. Same for Muslim, they are overwhelmingly peaceful too. By claiming as you do the things yo do about Zionism you look like a zealot. Combine that with the facts that there is Zionism elsewhere, that's practised peacefully, then it suggests your issue are confined to just one area, just one group and it's these people you have an issue with. And as for your assertion that Hamas is a group of resistance fighters that grew out of Zionistic provocation it's just ridiculous. It was created in the 80s with the sole aim of controlling all of Mandatory Palestine and tge extermination of the Jews. It was in their constitution. Any reference to Zionism only occurred in 2017 when they changed the wording in their constitution to make it a little less antisemitic. But don't be fooled Hamas was born out of hatred of the Jews, otherwise if it's Zuonism why don't they mention Mormons, African, Arabs and Christians, all who have followed Zionist principles. Not all Zionists are violent, not all Muslims are terrorists but some people are just very, very bad. Hamas is very, very bad, Mrs x Bless you I could just pinch your cheeks and wiggle themIgnorance really is bliss, Mrs x You must be in paradise then. So what your saying is if Zionists forcibly take land illegally using acts of terrorism then it's okay. If the Palestinians have the ordacity to resisthsving land illegally taken from them then they're very bad people. You are sooo clever aren't you
Does your hypocrisy work for the Ukraine?
The evil Ukrainians committing acts of terrorism against Russia who only want to ILLEGALLY take more land ..
... .. naaar your hypocrisy isn't working there.
Tell you what , why don't we follow international law instead of your illogical horse crapNever said anything of the sort, you are making up stuff again.
You really need to stop conflating Palestinians and Hamas, they are not the same.
In the West Bank it's Palestinians and Fatah, again two separate groups.
Only Hamas and Fatah are terrorist groups, although they may have Palestinian members.
It would help your arguments, even the made up ones, if you could recognise this but I'm not sure you'd recognise your own reflection in a mirror if I told you that that was you staring back at yourself just because it was me saying it.
Just try not to conflate different groups, it will help you in the long run,
Mrs x
It's clear that international law was created to act against people with mentality like yourself.
I'm a firm believer in law and international law which may not be perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than your version you support that's caused acts of genocide, violence oppression and instability in the world so I'll take no lectures from the likes of yourself.
So go on, this should be good, what International Law are you talking about, anything in particular or are you just saying 'International Law' because you think it sounds good.
Mrs x"Do you have any more biased drivel to spout? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x" Palestine doesn't exist?? You had better let the UN know then | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Are all Zionists terrorists? Are all the followers of Islam terrorists? Mrs x Islam is a religion whereas Zionism is an extremist branch of another religion so not comparable Followers of Islam - no they're not Followers of Judaism - no they're not Zionists? Isis? Taliban ? -Yes They all have one common theme they all have radicalised/extremist views, exercising relligious terrorism/extremism or violence used to achiieve certain religious goals fuelled by religious beliefs that their way is the rightious way Hamas? They're primarily an armed resistance group E.g. someone who fights against an invader in an occupied country AND Hamas alo commit acts of terrorism, with some extremist influence The IDF are influenced by religious Zionist extremism as I mentioned above and use terrorism to expand their borders The civilian population in Gaza are unarmed resistance movement who refuse to be evicted from their historical land so Europeans and anyone else with no connections to the region can take priority and live there based on religion alone. Thanks for answering my question. You have a particular twisted view of Zionism, in that's it's just a violent ideology, when it's not and when it was founded it was purely a call to a return to a homeland. You stubbornly ignore the fact that Zionism is practiced in other parts of the world, by other groups with no violence whatsoever. Millions of Mormons follow Zionism, with no acts of terrorism or violence. Countries in Africa were established along Zionist principles, where ensl@ved, persecuted people were able to return home to their ancestral homeland to live in peace. Millions now live in Liberia on the back of Zionist ideals and they are not terrorists. What about the Kurds who followed Zionism when returning to Israel from Iran in the 1950s, another large group of Zionists who do not commit terrorism. In fact the Kurds, as a whole, is a terrible example for the Palestinians. The Kurds are a group, who are, like the Palestinians, looking for a state to call their own. The Jews support this, a homeland for an Arabic group who are currently stateless. It's the Palestinians who are the Kurds biggest opponents of this in the area, you couldn't make this up the hypocrisy of it. So I've shown you that Zionist live in different places all over the globe, peacefully and without committing any terrorism. So the issue is whether Zionism is used by a minority to commit acts of violence and yes it has. However that's like saying has Islam been used to commit terrorism and the answer is the same, yes it has but only by a minority. So are Zionist violent, the answer is an overwhelming no. Same for Muslim, they are overwhelmingly peaceful too. By claiming as you do the things yo do about Zionism you look like a zealot. Combine that with the facts that there is Zionism elsewhere, that's practised peacefully, then it suggests your issue are confined to just one area, just one group and it's these people you have an issue with. And as for your assertion that Hamas is a group of resistance fighters that grew out of Zionistic provocation it's just ridiculous. It was created in the 80s with the sole aim of controlling all of Mandatory Palestine and tge extermination of the Jews. It was in their constitution. Any reference to Zionism only occurred in 2017 when they changed the wording in their constitution to make it a little less antisemitic. But don't be fooled Hamas was born out of hatred of the Jews, otherwise if it's Zuonism why don't they mention Mormons, African, Arabs and Christians, all who have followed Zionist principles. Not all Zionists are violent, not all Muslims are terrorists but some people are just very, very bad. Hamas is very, very bad, Mrs x Bless you I could just pinch your cheeks and wiggle themIgnorance really is bliss, Mrs x You must be in paradise then. So what your saying is if Zionists forcibly take land illegally using acts of terrorism then it's okay. If the Palestinians have the ordacity to resisthsving land illegally taken from them then they're very bad people. You are sooo clever aren't you
Does your hypocrisy work for the Ukraine?
The evil Ukrainians committing acts of terrorism against Russia who only want to ILLEGALLY take more land ..
... .. naaar your hypocrisy isn't working there.
Tell you what , why don't we follow international law instead of your illogical horse crapNever said anything of the sort, you are making up stuff again.
You really need to stop conflating Palestinians and Hamas, they are not the same.
In the West Bank it's Palestinians and Fatah, again two separate groups.
Only Hamas and Fatah are terrorist groups, although they may have Palestinian members.
It would help your arguments, even the made up ones, if you could recognise this but I'm not sure you'd recognise your own reflection in a mirror if I told you that that was you staring back at yourself just because it was me saying it.
Just try not to conflate different groups, it will help you in the long run,
Mrs x
It's clear that international law was created to act against people with mentality like yourself.
I'm a firm believer in law and international law which may not be perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than your version you support that's caused acts of genocide, violence oppression and instability in the world so I'll take no lectures from the likes of yourself.
So go on, this should be good, what International Law are you talking about, anything in particular or are you just saying 'International Law' because you think it sounds good.
Mrs x
Do you have any more biased drivel to spout?"You haven't got a clue about what International Law have you? Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x Palestine doesn't exist?? You had better let the UN know then" I know own that the UN recognise the state of Palestine but rather meant that's it's only Gaza that might cease to exist if you believe what Trump is saying, Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x Palestine doesn't exist?? You had better let the UN know thenI know own that the UN recognise the state of Palestine but rather meant that's it's only Gaza that might cease to exist if you believe what Trump is saying, Mrs x" Well I've just been watching a program that dismisses a lot that you've said. I'll leave it at that for as I'm certain your misinformed person and too annoyed at the situation to comment on your remarks | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x Palestine doesn't exist?? You had better let the UN know thenI know own that the UN recognise the state of Palestine but rather meant that's it's only Gaza that might cease to exist if you believe what Trump is saying, Mrs x" Things you post are annoying and disgust me. That's all I'm going to say today | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x Palestine doesn't exist?? You had better let the UN know thenI know own that the UN recognise the state of Palestine but rather meant that's it's only Gaza that might cease to exist if you believe what Trump is saying, Mrs x Things you post are annoying and disgust me. That's all I'm going to say today" What have I said this time, not sure you can actually read you get so much of what I say wrong... Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x Palestine doesn't exist?? You had better let the UN know thenI know own that the UN recognise the state of Palestine but rather meant that's it's only Gaza that might cease to exist if you believe what Trump is saying, Mrs x Things you post are annoying and disgust me. That's all I'm going to say todayWhat have I said this time, not sure you can actually read you get so much of what I say wrong... Mrs x" Oh it's obvious what your saying. You've peddled enough distorted nonsense to get your message across | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x Palestine doesn't exist?? You had better let the UN know thenI know own that the UN recognise the state of Palestine but rather meant that's it's only Gaza that might cease to exist if you believe what Trump is saying, Mrs x Things you post are annoying and disgust me. That's all I'm going to say todayWhat have I said this time, not sure you can actually read you get so much of what I say wrong... Mrs x Oh it's obvious what your saying. You've peddled enough distorted nonsense to get your message across " And yet you cannot point out any of this 'actual' distortion I've supposedly peddled because there is none and if you tried you'd know I'd call you out, and prove, once again you fabricate stuff. .just admit, it's personal, I'd at least have some respect for that 'truth', Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x Palestine doesn't exist?? You had better let the UN know thenI know own that the UN recognise the state of Palestine but rather meant that's it's only Gaza that might cease to exist if you believe what Trump is saying, Mrs x Things you post are annoying and disgust me. That's all I'm going to say todayWhat have I said this time, not sure you can actually read you get so much of what I say wrong... Mrs x Oh it's obvious what your saying. You've peddled enough distorted nonsense to get your message across And yet you cannot point out any of this 'actual' distortion I've supposedly peddled because there is none and if you tried you'd know I'd call you out, and prove, once again you fabricate stuff. .just admit, it's personal, I'd at least have some respect for that 'truth', Mrs x" Your distortions and endless stance shifting are that numerous it's not easy where to start. - I've been accused of everything from being antisemetic (which is true if your using the Zionist extremist definition and not the moderate Jewish definition) which reveals your position and true bias btw - A liar - accused of changing stance myself when I've been nothing but consistent - had my posts scoffed and mocked (one instance being a rabbi who's against Zionist extremists) again revealing your bias You've never ever once criticised Israel, or netenyahu or any of the actions conducted do far. You mentioned October 7th attrocities frequently but not once mentioned October 6th and earlier attrocities commited by Israel. So yep - I have an understanding of where your coming grom | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes and now Netanyahu is saying the same thing....so question is has Netanyahu got trump wrapped around his finger or have they both sat down and planned it? Yes and I can see Israel starting the war again to the dismay of hostages families. Either way netenyahu will resume the persecution of Palestinians - he doesn't give a monkeys about the Israeli hostages His brother was killed in the Entebbe hostage rescue in 1976 Whether the hostages are returned or not Palestine will soon cease to exist. Palestine doesn't exist now, think you mean Gaza, Mrs x Palestine doesn't exist?? You had better let the UN know thenI know own that the UN recognise the state of Palestine but rather meant that's it's only Gaza that might cease to exist if you believe what Trump is saying, Mrs x Things you post are annoying and disgust me. That's all I'm going to say todayWhat have I said this time, not sure you can actually read you get so much of what I say wrong... Mrs x Oh it's obvious what your saying. You've peddled enough distorted nonsense to get your message across And yet you cannot point out any of this 'actual' distortion I've supposedly peddled because there is none and if you tried you'd know I'd call you out, and prove, once again you fabricate stuff. .just admit, it's personal, I'd at least have some respect for that 'truth', Mrs x Your distortions and endless stance shifting are that numerous it's not easy where to start. - I've been accused of everything from being antisemetic (which is true if your using the Zionist extremist definition and not the moderate Jewish definition) which reveals your position and true bias btw - A liar - accused of changing stance myself when I've been nothing but consistent - had my posts scoffed and mocked (one instance being a rabbi who's against Zionist extremists) again revealing your bias You've never ever once criticised Israel, or netenyahu or any of the actions conducted do far. You mentioned October 7th attrocities frequently but not once mentioned October 6th and earlier attrocities commited by Israel. So yep - I have an understanding of where your coming grom " Hahaha, Again you cannot tell the truth. Where do you get I support Zionism from? Have I ever said I supported Zionism, can you show me one post where I have said this? You can't because I never have said that. What I have tried to do is show you that by saying Zionism is an evil ideology, like you do everything, you are putting forward a stupid argument. The original form of Zionism is a call to a return to an historical homeland. This has been followed by lots of different people from all over the globe and these people are not violent or evil. Yet because a small number have corrupted Zionism for their own agenda, which is violent, you tar all Zionists with the same brush. The Mormons were practising a form of Zionism well before the Jews. 17 million of them live in Utah, in peace in the USA but you ignore that. You also ignore there are Christian, Arabic, African and American Zionists but only concentrate on the Jewish ones. You state you've been called an antisemite but go on to agree that you are by once again conflating it with Zionism. You don't seem to have much of an understanding of the issue. Yes I mention Oct 7th, because that one incident was the catalyst for this current conflict. As for anything before that, then yes I could mention lots of stuff, from both sides, going back decades but it's title for tat then. But if you keep believing it is just one sided then look at the 1920s, lots of interesting events committed by Palestinians against the Jews and well before Israel was recreated. I have said things that Israel has done I believe are wrong. I don't agree with illegal settlers in the West Bank. So again you are not telling the truth, I don't have to touch on you're claims about lying do I. As for the mocking, I'd love for you to show me the post about this Rabbi. The only post I rebuttal about this guy, was that he was considered by most Jews to be a religious nutter, a zealot of sorts and wasn't taken seriously or given any credence by the main stream Jewish community. It's easy to find a single voice within a certain group that criticises their own people. Yet millions of Jews live in Israel peacefully and so they obviously don't agree with him, 2 million are actually Palestinian. If I remember rightly, the only person to ever reference this person on these threads is now UNLOS, had a username sounding like a flower, no more of a , haha... ring any bells? So when you say you have an understanding, you really don't, or if you do you just prefer to change facts and ignore evidence to suit your own narrative. Hope this clears up your misunderstanding of what I've said previously. Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Okay so let's have a look at what you've said: "Hahaha" is personalised mocking - along with accusing people of telling lies. I'm not going to do that. I think you easily forget or misconstrued statements you've made in the past. you support Zionism from the deeper leanings of how you reply to posts You've blamed all Gazans for the destruction of Gaza because you said they voted in Hamas. Do you think it was a free and fair election? "What I have tried to do is show you that by saying Zionism is an evil ideology, like you do everything, you are putting forward a stupid argument" Zionism is about 120 years old and as you say a form of Zionism not Zionism as in the Israel context like the Mormons practice a "form of Zionism" in Utah, which isn't the same. They haven't declared a sovereign state and have not wanted dominance over others living in that area. The reason I concentrate on the "Jewish ones" as you put it are the ones that are wanting to "return to" Palestine. These mainly are Europeans that have no genetic/ ethnic link to the region with little to no regard for others in palestine I'll concede that originally and with naive intentions especially after ww2 people went in large numbers to Palestine to live in peace. I expect the Zionist settlers realised there'd be conflict but continued anyway - that alarmed the Arabs already living there, that led to terrorist attack by Jews on British troops for restricting Jewish immigrants into Palestine (somethin else you deny happened) "You state you've been called an antisemite but go on to agree that you are by once again conflating it with Zionism' Allow me to educate you on this point - Jews with a moral sense of what's wrong and right along with myself have been collectively labelled antisemetic because we are against the terrorist actions in Palestine and openly declared it's atrocitis. One Jew that comes to mind being Miriam Margolyes who's deemed antisemetic for not condoninG Zionism. "You don't seem to have much of an understanding of the issue" Well I've neve claimed or judge myself to be an expert like yourself - but unlike you I see the atrocities and belligerent actions of a terrorist organisation when I see one. Not suprising that you only want to wind the clock back to 7 October and ignore the tit for tat since 1948. I think a total reset us neede right the way back to 1948! A limit for Europeans with no historical claim to Palestine other that a religion especially! Local Arabs being allowed to return to their land. Total end to apartheid to name a few. "As for the mocking, I'd love for you to show me the post about this Rabbi The only post I rebuttal about this guy, was that he was considered by most Jews to be a religious nutter, a zealot of sorts and wasn't taken seriously or given any credence by the main stream Jewish community." You show me this individual and I'll be able to say if it was him and try to find what your referring to and what I mentioned. "If I remember rightly, the only person to ever reference this person on these threads is now UNLOS, had a username sounding like a flower, no more of a , haha... ring any bells?" The only flowers you deserve are fekin triffids. I'll send you some. "So when you say you have an understanding, you really don't" I've never claimed to be an expert on the middle east - unlike some who [think] they know everything "Or if you do you just prefer to change facts and ignore evidence to suit your own narrative " Fucking hell... Lol you should have a look at your own posts before accusing others! "Hope this clears up your misunderstanding of what I've said previously." Tbf it has a little " Well now that's a lot to shift through. Let's start with Zionism. You say that I support Zionism because of my 'deeper leanings'. I'm sorry but are you being deliberately vague or just making up a phrase because you have no actual evidence that I support Zionism. Show me one post, quote just one sentence were I've said this and I'll hold my hands up. You won't be able to because not only have I never said this I'm not a supporter, or distracted, of Zionism. I've just tried to point out the origins of the movement and it's original practices and that saying all Zionists are violent is just idiotic. I am not originally from the UK, coming from Ireland. So if I was a Zionist, or supported Zionism how come I've not returned to my 'homeland', bit strange that given my 'deeper leanings' for this ideology. As for the Mormons they practised Zionism decades before the first Jews to follow the ideology. As for not calling for a state, the Mormons wanted a state, that was why the went to Utah. They even fought a war, the Utah War, with the USA over their territory in the 1850's, a decade or so before the start of Jewish Zionism. You know what they originally called their city... Zion. So yeah the Mormons fully committed to this ideological principle, before the Jews even. So you are wrong about it being different. A persecuted people, looking for a safe place to call home, offering safety to their believers. The only difference being the Jews wanting to return to their historic homeland. So Zionism, even the Jewish version you talk of is over 250 years old and has no connection, originally, to 1948. Did you know that the first Jews encouraged to return under Zionism were encouraged to go and buy land. Not take it, occupy it but to buy it. That's not very violent is it...? You seem to think that I don't condemn atrocious things done in the name of Zionism but I do and I think those that do this should face appropriate punishment. I even mentioned this in my previous post. The only thing I disagree with is how you equate all Zionists with violence, which is just not right. It would be like me saying everyone from Hartlepool hangs monkeys because one was hung in the town, during the Napoleonic era, for potentially being a French spy. It's just ridiculous. As for the antisemitism I'm not sure you understand why this is levelled at you. But when you criticise something and then only the Jewish version of this, thats an example of this. Your irrational view regarding Zionism don't help. Rather than concentrate on individuals doing horrendous things, you lump all of Israel into the 'evil Zionist' narrative you promote. So ALL 10 million of these Israelis are violent are they? Come on that's prejudicial, surely you can see that. That's why you seem to hold antisemitic views. The issue of morality is subjective not objective. So a moral Jew, for you, is one that follows your morals. Is that right, because who made you the moral authority on anything? And as for Miriam Margolyes, yeah it's dead easy to find one dissenting voice within a crowd but what about the other 10 million Israelis, who by living in Israel, are by definition Zionists don't their opinions matter. You claim not to be expert but seem to intimate I some how have said I am. So let me correct this. I'm not an expert on anything but I have opinions, like everyone else. Just like when you say I support Zionism, I challenged you again to quote one post were I have said this. I have posted articles, reports and the like to back up my opinions but this is not me being an expert, it's just evidence, something that's in short supply on here. As for Oct 7th, that date is hugely significant, it cannot be denied it was the catalyst for this current conflict. Your insitance on 1948 being the date for the all problems here is simplistic at best. If that's the case how do you account for any issue before that date? What about the troubles throughout the 1920's on behalf of the Palestinians? If the Jews are just Europeans coming to colonise the area how do you account for these Palestinian attacks against the Jews in the area? Hang on, that must mean Jews were still in the area, otherwise they couldn't be attacked. Light bulb moment anyone? You brought up the Rabbi story and the only one I've commented on was following a post from the guy, strange that you say you posted something about a Rabbi, yet you cannot find any reference to it and want me to supply this for you. Do your own work, you've already done this previously. So that's it, if I've missed something I couldn't care less and yeah I still think you have a very limited understanding of these issues but what do I know... Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Sorry but I cannot understand what you are saying, it's so confused and cobbled together I don't want to respond further as I don't want to debate something which seems to beyond the grasp of the other person. Hope everything is OK for you, Mrs x" Oh yes thanks. Good luck on learning and I forgive your insults and lacking of understanding | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Sorry but I cannot understand what you are saying, it's so confused and cobbled together I don't want to respond further as I don't want to debate something which seems to beyond the grasp of the other person. Hope everything is OK for you, Mrs x Oh yes thanks. Good luck on learning and I forgive your insults and lacking of understanding " You don't make any sense, Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Sorry but I cannot understand what you are saying, it's so confused and cobbled together I don't want to respond further as I don't want to debate something which seems to beyond the grasp of the other person. Hope everything is OK for you, Mrs x Oh yes thanks. Good luck on learning and I forgive your insults and lacking of understanding You don't make any sense, Mrs x" I know you have learned how I'll informed you were and ashamed to thank me but you're welcome. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Sorry but I cannot understand what you are saying, it's so confused and cobbled together I don't want to respond further as I don't want to debate something which seems to beyond the grasp of the other person. Hope everything is OK for you, Mrs x Oh yes thanks. Good luck on learning and I forgive your insults and lacking of understanding You don't make any sense, Mrs x I know you have learned how I'll informed you were and ashamed to thank me but you're welcome. " Not going to waste my time anymore, its boring me now, Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Meanwhile the Israelis continue to force out more Palestinians and say they won't be allowed to return in the illegal occupation of the west bank! Israel also trying to delay part 2 of the ceasefire!" Why are they doing that? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Meanwhile the Israelis continue to force out more Palestinians and say they won't be allowed to return in the illegal occupation of the west bank! Israel also trying to delay part 2 of the ceasefire! Why are they doing that?" I think netenyahu's doing a balancing act with some of his cabinet who wanted to continue the offensive . If they resign from the cabinet he could be in trouble | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Sorry but I cannot understand what you are saying, it's so confused and cobbled together I don't want to respond further as I don't want to debate something which seems to beyond the grasp of the other person. Hope everything is OK for you, Mrs x Oh yes thanks. Good luck on learning and I forgive your insults and lacking of understanding You don't make any sense, Mrs x I know you have learned how I'll informed you were and ashamed to thank me but you're welcome. Not going to waste my time anymore, its boring me now, Mrs x" You have your opinions, I have mine. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Sorry but I cannot understand what you are saying, it's so confused and cobbled together I don't want to respond further as I don't want to debate something which seems to beyond the grasp of the other person. Hope everything is OK for you, Mrs x Oh yes thanks. Good luck on learning and I forgive your insults and lacking of understanding You don't make any sense, Mrs x I know you have learned how I'll informed you were and ashamed to thank me but you're welcome. Not going to waste my time anymore, its boring me now, Mrs x You have your opinions, I have mine." Yawn, Mrs x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Sorry but I cannot understand what you are saying, it's so confused and cobbled together I don't want to respond further as I don't want to debate something which seems to beyond the grasp of the other person. Hope everything is OK for you, Mrs x Oh yes thanks. Good luck on learning and I forgive your insults and lacking of understanding You don't make any sense, Mrs x I know you have learned how I'll informed you were and ashamed to thank me but you're welcome. Not going to waste my time anymore, its boring me now, Mrs x You have your opinions, I have mine.Yawn, Mrs x" Aww didums - I was thinking you were an adult. I can sing you a nursary rhyme as I give a bottle and send you to sleepy Peepy if you like? There there -bless your cotton socks  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Post new Message to Thread |
| back to top |  |
