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"As the unelected, illegal, DOGE head, Elon Musk ..." What makes you say that Elon Musk is illegal as DoGE head? | |||
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"As the unelected, illegal, DOGE head, Elon Musk ... What makes you say that Elon Musk is illegal as DoGE head?" For DOGE legally exist at all it has to be recognised and funded by Congress. Otherwise it is not a legal organisation. It has not been recognised or funded. The head and staff of such an entity are required by Law to be passed by a security vetting process. Musk has not been vetted and, from what is known of his activities, he would not pass if he was subjected to a vetting process. | |||
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"As the unelected, illegal, DOGE head, Elon Musk ... What makes you say that Elon Musk is illegal as DoGE head? For DOGE legally exist at all it has to be recognised and funded by Congress. Otherwise it is not a legal organisation. It has not been recognised or funded. The head and staff of such an entity are required by Law to be passed by a security vetting process. Musk has not been vetted and, from what is known of his activities, he would not pass if he was subjected to a vetting process. " What vetting takes place on positions that are advisory and would Musk pass that, from your insider knowledge of the vetting process? | |||
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"As the unelected, illegal, DOGE head, Elon Musk ... What makes you say that Elon Musk is illegal as DoGE head? For DOGE legally exist at all it has to be recognised and funded by Congress. Otherwise it is not a legal organisation. It has not been recognised or funded. The head and staff of such an entity are required by Law to be passed by a security vetting process. Musk has not been vetted and, from what is known of his activities, he would not pass if he was subjected to a vetting process. What vetting takes place on positions that are advisory and would Musk pass that, from your insider knowledge of the vetting process? " Elon Musk has been appointed as “Special Government Employee” and therefore is potentially outside and side stepped the full vetting process. DOGE has likely the violated the Privacy Act of 1974 by sharing information with other DOGE employees. Together with cybersecurity laws like Federal Information Security Modernization Act of 2002. This kind of unfettered access should be a worry to all Americans. As once the data out of secure systems it cannot be put back. | |||
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"As the unelected, illegal, DOGE head, Elon Musk, and his teen army drives further into the US treasury financial management system, sacking civil servants on the way, what will be the result? Can you imagine how much foreign powers and criminal organisations will pay for that data? Detailed personal information on every US citizen and employee, including spys, confidential informants, undercover officers, CIA companies, etc We in Britain cannot sit back and watch. Any British company that has done business with the US federal government is in there. Anyone who has applied for a visa to visit the USA is there too. There is only one reason to intrude into this confidential information. To provide Trump and Musk the power to finish their coup and turn the USA into a dictatorship. We live in very worrying times. " Indeed. It's called 'state capture' and Elon's playing a blinder because he's dealing with a half-wit who doesn't care about the nature and duties of his office. As for not standing by and letting it happen - it's not our place to stop it. That's what Congress is for. Sadly, the Republicans in it are too stupid, or scared, or both to put a stop to what Elon is doing. | |||
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"As the unelected, illegal, DOGE head, Elon Musk ... What makes you say that Elon Musk is illegal as DoGE head? For DOGE legally exist at all it has to be recognised and funded by Congress. Otherwise it is not a legal organisation. It has not been recognised or funded. The head and staff of such an entity are required by Law to be passed by a security vetting process. Musk has not been vetted and, from what is known of his activities, he would not pass if he was subjected to a vetting process. What vetting takes place on positions that are advisory and would Musk pass that, from your insider knowledge of the vetting process? " Anyone who has access to sensitive data needs to be vetted. Even relatives of the president. | |||
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"With all the issues in the UK caused by starmer kahn and the other clowns let the mental fascination with TDS go. Condoms for Gaza last week, 72 million for a gas station in Iraq that nobody uses. Crack on Elon you are doing a great job. Hopefully he can find out who put these cases into place and then prosecute them if they were profiteering off of them." Condoms for Gaza was a blatant lie by Trump. They were supplied to Mozambique to help combat HIV/Aids. We know who agreed to these payments. The US Congress. Go on and prosecute the entire Senate and House of Representatives. | |||
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"With all the issues in the UK caused by starmer kahn and the other clowns let the mental fascination with TDS go. Condoms for Gaza last week, 72 million for a gas station in Iraq that nobody uses. Crack on Elon you are doing a great job. Hopefully he can find out who put these cases into place and then prosecute them if they were profiteering off of them." As you think Elon is doing such a great job would you mind sharing all your personal data and details with us all here. Full name, address, DoB, medical history, bank details, etc…. | |||
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"What would you suggest the UK does about this situation? To be honest I wish the government would just come and fix the potholes in my road so I’m not that confident in its ability to take on the US (or Russia, China, Mauritius or anyone else)." The Government does not fix potholes. That’s the responsibility of your local authority. If it is an A road or Motorway it’s either Highways England, Traffic Scotland or Traffic Wales. Northern Ireland has a different arrangement. But you should be concerned as if you have had any dealings with the US where you have had to supply personal data to a federal agency like in a visa application for example. This now could end up in the hands of Elon Musk and his aides. | |||
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"What would you suggest the UK does about this situation? To be honest I wish the government would just come and fix the potholes in my road so I’m not that confident in its ability to take on the US (or Russia, China, Mauritius or anyone else). The Government does not fix potholes. That’s the responsibility of your local authority. If it is an A road or Motorway it’s either Highways England, Traffic Scotland or Traffic Wales. Northern Ireland has a different arrangement. But you should be concerned as if you have had any dealings with the US where you have had to supply personal data to a federal agency like in a visa application for example. This now could end up in the hands of Elon Musk and his aides." I’m less concerned about Elon Musk having my data (he already has it through his companies anyway) than I am my data and assets being mined by our desperate thieving Labour government. But you are right “The government does not fix potholes”. My point exactly. | |||
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" But you are right “The government does not fix potholes”. My point exactly." As I said the government does not fix potholes as it’s not their responsibility to do that. What you are saying is the equivalent of you saying that your neighbour is responsible for you paying your income tax… It’s not their responsibility. | |||
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" But you are right “The government does not fix potholes”. My point exactly. As I said the government does not fix potholes as it’s not their responsibility to do that. What you are saying is the equivalent of you saying that your neighbour is responsible for you paying your income tax… It’s not their responsibility." It’s nice that you think that central government is more effective than local government. | |||
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"Elon Musk has held a Top Secret clearance due to his work with the US government and SpaceX. However, Musk is not a manager, leader, or owner of DOGE and, as such, does not require access to investigate or interrogate the work and data of other departments. With that in mind, I’m interested in understanding why people believe Musk has access to sensitive government data. Is it because of sensationalist headlines like “Musk seizes computer systems?” If you look beyond the media spin, the reality is that DOGE removed employee access, meaning their usernames, passwords, and swipe access cards were disabled. This is a standard security procedure. The turnstile data access simply refers to logs of who has entered or exited the building, see point above. The misleading claims about “locking out employees” and “reading emails” originated from two anonymous sources quoted by the media who are clearly making assumptions. Restricting access to buildings and IT systems is standard practice in any organisation to prevent misuse of data and protect systems during key events such as suspensions, terminations, or internal audits which is what happened here. There’s a significant amount of spin on this story, and it appears to have resonated with the anti Trump camp, despite the lack of evidence that anything unusual has occurred, remember the DOGE employees will be vetted and have processes to follow to conduct their work on behalf of the government. Trump created the DOGE department, and its employees are specifically tasked with scrutinising the work of federal departments. Musk is an advisor, not a full time government official, and does not have access to these systems or any sensitive data. Reading further into the actions taken by DOGE, he clearly advised them on the approach to take because it mirrors his Twitter take over. " I think the main concern is that Musk and Trump will get rid of large swathes of the US state and nobody will notice the difference. More people in other countries will then start wondering why their governments aren’t doing the same. | |||
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" But you are right “The government does not fix potholes”. My point exactly. As I said the government does not fix potholes as it’s not their responsibility to do that. What you are saying is the equivalent of you saying that your neighbour is responsible for you paying your income tax… It’s not their responsibility. It’s nice that you think that central government is more effective than local government. " I’m not sure how you managed to make that astonishing leap. As I’m not sure I made any comparison about the effectiveness of local government versus central government. Just pointing out who has responsibility and who doesn’t. Totally different to who is most effective. But don’t worry I can lend you a dictionary so you can look up and understand the difference between the words effective and responsible. | |||
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"Elon Musk has held a Top Secret clearance due to his work with the US government and SpaceX. However, Musk is not a manager, leader, or owner of DOGE and, as such, does not require access to investigate or interrogate the work and data of other departments. With that in mind, I’m interested in understanding why people believe Musk has access to sensitive government data. Is it because of sensationalist headlines like “Musk seizes computer systems?” If you look beyond the media spin, the reality is that DOGE removed employee access, meaning their usernames, passwords, and swipe access cards were disabled. This is a standard security procedure. The turnstile data access simply refers to logs of who has entered or exited the building, see point above. The misleading claims about “locking out employees” and “reading emails” originated from two anonymous sources quoted by the media who are clearly making assumptions. Restricting access to buildings and IT systems is standard practice in any organisation to prevent misuse of data and protect systems during key events such as suspensions, terminations, or internal audits which is what happened here. There’s a significant amount of spin on this story, and it appears to have resonated with the anti Trump camp, despite the lack of evidence that anything unusual has occurred, remember the DOGE employees will be vetted and have processes to follow to conduct their work on behalf of the government. Trump created the DOGE department, and its employees are specifically tasked with scrutinising the work of federal departments. Musk is an advisor, not a full time government official, and does not have access to these systems or any sensitive data. Reading further into the actions taken by DOGE, he clearly advised them on the approach to take because it mirrors his Twitter take over. I think the main concern is that Musk and Trump will get rid of large swathes of the US state and nobody will notice the difference. More people in other countries will then start wondering why their governments aren’t doing the same." I agree that is what this boils down to, people working in US federal departments are waisting time and money and were warned they would be audited, this exercise will lift the lid on waste. The fallout is the knee jerk sensationalism stoking up the unaware, or even the aware. Every government should be looking under the covers, trying to remove inefficiencies to save the tax payers money being flushed... | |||
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