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"If you voted for Labour do you feel your getting what you voted for?" . Too early to tell but the withdrawal of Winter Fuel Payments for the pensioners is one that I didn’t see coming from a Labour government | |||
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"See if she starts taxing the ISAS as rumoured 1.5 million houses not happening, unemployment has gone up. Watered down cancelling the non dom scheme. All the migrants are staying, no USA trade deal, see what April looks like when the extra employer national insurance kicks in. Don’t think it’s going like they’d hoped. Easier to chat shit from the opposition benches than having to actually make progress in government. " The ISA's are already facing stealth tax, she froze them until 2030. | |||
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"If you voted for Labour do you feel your getting what you voted for?" I voted Labour and I feel like I’m getting what I voted for. They’re trying to sort a mess out that was 14 years in the making. This will involve hard, unpopular decisions. I’m not sure what people were expecting? I will concede though, that they can only keep blaming the Tories for so long. They then need to start highlighting how the changes are working. Long term, this system of FPTP, where only 2 parties have a realistic chance of forming a government, needs to change. | |||
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"If you voted for Labour do you feel your getting what you voted for? I voted Labour and I feel like I’m getting what I voted for. They’re trying to sort a mess out that was 14 years in the making. This will involve hard, unpopular decisions. I’m not sure what people were expecting? I will concede though, that they can only keep blaming the Tories for so long. They then need to start highlighting how the changes are working. Long term, this system of FPTP, where only 2 parties have a realistic chance of forming a government, needs to change." I'm really unsure how you could think you are getting what you voted for, if you are basing that on outcomes to date, surely you could not have foreseen the missteps so far? I totally get it if you voted for change, anything other than keeping the previous government in power, that would make sense. | |||
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"If you voted for Labour do you feel your getting what you voted for? I voted Labour and I feel like I’m getting what I voted for. They’re trying to sort a mess out that was 14 years in the making. This will involve hard, unpopular decisions. I’m not sure what people were expecting? I will concede though, that they can only keep blaming the Tories for so long. They then need to start highlighting how the changes are working. Long term, this system of FPTP, where only 2 parties have a realistic chance of forming a government, needs to change. I'm really unsure how you could think you are getting what you voted for, if you are basing that on outcomes to date, surely you could not have foreseen the missteps so far? I totally get it if you voted for change, anything other than keeping the previous government in power, that would make sense. " Perhaps Google "labour manifesto tracker". It beats the constant nonsense the right wing media are peddling. | |||
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"I voted for a party with a plan to TRY (key word) and sort the mess out that the Tories left, and it is a mess I’m realistic to know that they won’t be able to sort all the problems out, but they’ve got 4 years now to try and make a positive change to this country." I agree that the government needed to be changed and I was hoping labour would have had a "plan" it turns out they didn't really. I don't care if it is red or blue in the driving seat as long as they make a positive impact on the economy. Unfortunately to date I don't share the optimism you have, due to the need to borrow more and tax more, year 2 - 3 are going to be rocky such was the budget. | |||
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"I voted for a party with a plan to TRY (key word) and sort the mess out that the Tories left, and it is a mess I’m realistic to know that they won’t be able to sort all the problems out, but they’ve got 4 years now to try and make a positive change to this country. I agree that the government needed to be changed and I was hoping labour would have had a "plan" it turns out they didn't really. I don't care if it is red or blue in the driving seat as long as they make a positive impact on the economy. Unfortunately to date I don't share the optimism you have, due to the need to borrow more and tax more, year 2 - 3 are going to be rocky such was the budget." Change was needed but I hoped they would improve things rather than going backwards. The manifesto tracker thing is interesting but obviously does not mention things they have done that were not in the manifesto like removing winter fuel allowance, making employment far more expensive leading to job and wage cuts, talking the country down, increasing borrowing costs. Little nit picking things like that are absent | |||
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"If you voted for Labour do you feel your getting what you voted for?" Yes. Give them time. | |||
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"If you voted for Labour do you feel your getting what you voted for?" No. But that's cos where I am it's a tory seat  | |||
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"Tomorrow they’ve been in office 7 months Rayners already about 60k light on her annual 300k housing target The pensioners and farmers have been fleeced, the employers from April and looks like savers the next target " Have the farmers been fleeced? If pension pots are going to roled it to family estate, and Cash ISA's getting taxed. Surely, this creates a diferant outlook. That UK Plc is skint and all money moving can be taxed. If inheritance tax is 40% on pension pots. 20% on farms dose not seam so tough? | |||
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"Bit strange to think there is much any government can realistically "do" after inheriting a national debt over 100% gdp, one that is causing a tax burden to rise as a result of the present interest/inflation status. I mean, when I say any government, I'm talking about the conventional way most of these governments are put into these places, and thus ultimately are really controlled by what they can do, not what they should. The current way that the free market allows a small few to horde all the wealth and assets, these prospective 'governments' are powerless you might say and will not bite the proverbial hand. Anyone that disagrees with this hasn't the foggiest of how economics work likely being facetious to the actual problem."  | |||
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"Tomorrow they’ve been in office 7 months Rayners already about 60k light on her annual 300k housing target The pensioners and farmers have been fleeced, the employers from April and looks like savers the next target " Pensioners getting fleeced? How on earth is retaining the triple lock a way of fleecing pensioners? In real terms, since 2017, pensioners are about £1k. I suppose you mean, the removal of winter fuel payments for some pensioners. You do realise that most pensioners don't need that money so they basically bank it? They then die. Their kids inherit it. Sorry, that money is better of in the economy that bank accounts. As I said, in real terms, pension is up so, the Winter Fuel Payments aren't necessary. Energy prices are lower than this time last year. They're fairly stable. Now, Labour can't take much if any credit for the above, but, it did give them the opportunity to remove a payment that shouldn't be necessary especially for the wealthy. | |||
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"If you voted for Labour do you feel your getting what you voted for? Yes. Give them time. " I agreed. 2 terms. Anyone thinking any party could come in and fix everything in a single term is deluded. 1 term to stop the rot and 1 term to see the improvements. | |||
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"Tomorrow they’ve been in office 7 months Rayners already about 60k light on her annual 300k housing target The pensioners and farmers have been fleeced, the employers from April and looks like savers the next target Pensioners getting fleeced? How on earth is retaining the triple lock a way of fleecing pensioners? In real terms, since 2017, pensioners are about £1k. I suppose you mean, the removal of winter fuel payments for some pensioners. You do realise that most pensioners don't need that money so they basically bank it? They then die. Their kids inherit it. Sorry, that money is better of in the economy that bank accounts. As I said, in real terms, pension is up so, the Winter Fuel Payments aren't necessary. Energy prices are lower than this time last year. They're fairly stable. Now, Labour can't take much if any credit for the above, but, it did give them the opportunity to remove a payment that shouldn't be necessary especially for the wealthy. " But did removing the winter fule payment not back fire as more have now applied for pension credit so will get a top up and the winter fule credit. And if they spent it as did not need it where helping the economy posably. But time will tell. See what happens to private pensions and ISA's and dividend tax. My thinking is thay are all up for grabs. | |||
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"Tomorrow they’ve been in office 7 months Rayners already about 60k light on her annual 300k housing target The pensioners and farmers have been fleeced, the employers from April and looks like savers the next target Pensioners getting fleeced? How on earth is retaining the triple lock a way of fleecing pensioners? In real terms, since 2017, pensioners are about £1k. I suppose you mean, the removal of winter fuel payments for some pensioners. You do realise that most pensioners don't need that money so they basically bank it? They then die. Their kids inherit it. Sorry, that money is better of in the economy that bank accounts. As I said, in real terms, pension is up so, the Winter Fuel Payments aren't necessary. Energy prices are lower than this time last year. They're fairly stable. Now, Labour can't take much if any credit for the above, but, it did give them the opportunity to remove a payment that shouldn't be necessary especially for the wealthy. But did removing the winter fule payment not back fire as more have now applied for pension credit so will get a top up and the winter fule credit. And if they spent it as did not need it where helping the economy posably. But time will tell. See what happens to private pensions and ISA's and dividend tax. My thinking is thay are all up for grabs. " Didn't they encourage those who were eligible for pension credit to apply? Therefore, not sure how that backfired. If a pension has an income considerably higher than their outgoings, giving them £200 or whatever doesn't mean that they'll spend more. They already have more than they don't spend. If Labour go after ISAs etc, we need to consider the reasons and the alternative options...Good luck for anyone who thinks that there is a simple alternative. | |||
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"Tomorrow they’ve been in office 7 months Rayners already about 60k light on her annual 300k housing target The pensioners and farmers have been fleeced, the employers from April and looks like savers the next target " 7 Months ago the Conservatives had been in power for 168 months and did not fix the economy. They missed their housing target by 66k. The pensioners have not been fleeced, those that need WFP can still get it. Why should farmers avoid inheritance tax which every other sector of society pays? | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that?" Should be ashamed if you voted Tory for 14 years when they failed to deliver and were led by clowns. Why would you admit to that?  | |||
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"If you voted for Labour do you feel your getting what you voted for? Yes. Give them time. I agreed. 2 terms. Anyone thinking any party could come in and fix everything in a single term is deluded. 1 term to stop the rot and 1 term to see the improvements. " Oh the righties want instant improvement, didn't you know | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that?" No shame in needing change. | |||
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"The percentage of the electorate that voted Labour in GE2024 was very small, under 20% of those entitled to vote I believe. Mainly made up of unionised public sector workers who just want some more cash, urban dwelling white collar brainwashed graduates who are out of touch with reality (probably a cross over with the first group) and a motley crew of others all suckling at the state’s teat. It’s amazing that (from the polls) there are still 25% of the electorate who would be prepared to vote Labour tomorrow. Frankly if Labour were carting people off to death camps there would still be a certain percentage of the UK electorate who would carry on voting for them if they were wearing a red rosette. " Absolutely. That reminds me, how we doing with the assisted dying Bill? Ha! | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change." Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. " You're one of those who expected instant change? | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change?" No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. | |||
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"I've voted Labour all my life. My next Vote will be for Reform. Put British people first." You believe that?! That's what they want you to believe. Brainwashed by RW media. | |||
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"I am close to retirement, I did not vote labour to lose winter fuel payments or see WASPI women denied compensation . what happened to taxing the rich & getting rid of the house of lords ? " There was no plan to get rid of the house of lords. A law to reform the House of Lords is being introduced by the Labour government. Losing winter fuel allowance. Well, if your income is very low, you will still get it. If it wasn't, then, labour (like the Tories) committed to the triple lock, which since 2017, has made pensioners better off by £1k in real terms. Of course you didn't mention that. So, it's a bit off to complain about losing a couple of hundred quid when the triple lock has more than made up for it. | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. " Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? | |||
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"Tomorrow they’ve been in office 7 months Rayners already about 60k light on her annual 300k housing target The pensioners and farmers have been fleeced, the employers from April and looks like savers the next target Pensioners getting fleeced? How on earth is retaining the triple lock a way of fleecing pensioners? In real terms, since 2017, pensioners are about £1k. I suppose you mean, the removal of winter fuel payments for some pensioners. You do realise that most pensioners don't need that money so they basically bank it? They then die. Their kids inherit it. Sorry, that money is better of in the economy that bank accounts. As I said, in real terms, pension is up so, the Winter Fuel Payments aren't necessary. Energy prices are lower than this time last year. They're fairly stable. Now, Labour can't take much if any credit for the above, but, it did give them the opportunity to remove a payment that shouldn't be necessary especially for the wealthy. But did removing the winter fule payment not back fire as more have now applied for pension credit so will get a top up and the winter fule credit. And if they spent it as did not need it where helping the economy posably. But time will tell. See what happens to private pensions and ISA's and dividend tax. My thinking is thay are all up for grabs. Didn't they encourage those who were eligible for pension credit to apply? Therefore, not sure how that backfired. If a pension has an income considerably higher than their outgoings, giving them £200 or whatever doesn't mean that they'll spend more. They already have more than they don't spend. If Labour go after ISAs etc, we need to consider the reasons and the alternative options...Good luck for anyone who thinks that there is a simple alternative. " It backfired because they underestimated how many pensioners were missing out on the correct payments. This led to a massive backlog, forcing them to hire 500 additional staff and redesign the application process, an expensive fix for a poorly thought out policy. What’s also conveniently ignored is the flawed means testing. If someone is just 1p over the threshold, they lose everything! There is no sliding scale to make it fairer. Their own internal reports warned this could lead to financial hardship and even deaths, but they pushed ahead anyway with a half baked plan that ended up costing more to fix than if they had planned it properly in the first place. On ISAs, locking them until 2030 is a stealth tax. This affects everyone not just the wealthy but workers and lower earners who wouldn’t even be hit by direct taxes. This move was pushed through quietly in the budget, and by failing to adjust for inflation, it will force money out of ISAs and into taxable accounts, meaning higher savings tax, dividend tax, or even corporation tax for some. Labour’s policy blunders are already costing more than they save, and they are trapping savers in a system that benefits the government, not the people. Who would have thought it...... | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change?" We have had instant change from Labour. The economy has instantly stagnated and business and consumer confidence has instantly collapsed. I suppose you could say that is “change”. | |||
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"I've voted Labour all my life. My next Vote will be for Reform. Put British people first. You believe that?! That's what they want you to believe. Brainwashed by RW media. " I'm old enough to make my own mind up thank you very much. | |||
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"Tomorrow they’ve been in office 7 months Rayners already about 60k light on her annual 300k housing target The pensioners and farmers have been fleeced, the employers from April and looks like savers the next target Pensioners getting fleeced? How on earth is retaining the triple lock a way of fleecing pensioners? In real terms, since 2017, pensioners are about £1k. I suppose you mean, the removal of winter fuel payments for some pensioners. You do realise that most pensioners don't need that money so they basically bank it? They then die. Their kids inherit it. Sorry, that money is better of in the economy that bank accounts. As I said, in real terms, pension is up so, the Winter Fuel Payments aren't necessary. Energy prices are lower than this time last year. They're fairly stable. Now, Labour can't take much if any credit for the above, but, it did give them the opportunity to remove a payment that shouldn't be necessary especially for the wealthy. But did removing the winter fule payment not back fire as more have now applied for pension credit so will get a top up and the winter fule credit. And if they spent it as did not need it where helping the economy posably. But time will tell. See what happens to private pensions and ISA's and dividend tax. My thinking is thay are all up for grabs. Didn't they encourage those who were eligible for pension credit to apply? Therefore, not sure how that backfired. If a pension has an income considerably higher than their outgoings, giving them £200 or whatever doesn't mean that they'll spend more. They already have more than they don't spend. If Labour go after ISAs etc, we need to consider the reasons and the alternative options...Good luck for anyone who thinks that there is a simple alternative. It backfired because they underestimated how many pensioners were missing out on the correct payments. This led to a massive backlog, forcing them to hire 500 additional staff and redesign the application process, an expensive fix for a poorly thought out policy. What’s also conveniently ignored is the flawed means testing. If someone is just 1p over the threshold, they lose everything! There is no sliding scale to make it fairer. Their own internal reports warned this could lead to financial hardship and even deaths, but they pushed ahead anyway with a half baked plan that ended up costing more to fix than if they had planned it properly in the first place. On ISAs, locking them until 2030 is a stealth tax. This affects everyone not just the wealthy but workers and lower earners who wouldn’t even be hit by direct taxes. This move was pushed through quietly in the budget, and by failing to adjust for inflation, it will force money out of ISAs and into taxable accounts, meaning higher savings tax, dividend tax, or even corporation tax for some. Labour’s policy blunders are already costing more than they save, and they are trapping savers in a system that benefits the government, not the people. Who would have thought it......" I knew the numbers. So did they. | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? We have had instant change from Labour. The economy has instantly stagnated and business and consumer confidence has instantly collapsed. I suppose you could say that is “change”." Yet still, it didn't have the impact that Truss did and we still feel that today. | |||
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"I've voted Labour all my life. My next Vote will be for Reform. Put British people first. You believe that?! That's what they want you to believe. Brainwashed by RW media. I'm old enough to make my own mind up thank you very much. " So, what past experience makes you so convinced Reform will put British people first? They are absolutely in it only for themselves. Not you.  | |||
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"I've voted Labour all my life. My next Vote will be for Reform. Put British people first. You believe that?! That's what they want you to believe. Brainwashed by RW media. I'm old enough to make my own mind up thank you very much. So, what past experience makes you so convinced Reform will put British people first? They are absolutely in it only for themselves. Not you. "Reform have got five MP’s. I’m not sure they can be blamed for how badly Labour is doing in government. | |||
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"I've voted Labour all my life. My next Vote will be for Reform. Put British people first. You believe that?! That's what they want you to believe. Brainwashed by RW media. I'm old enough to make my own mind up thank you very much. So, what past experience makes you so convinced Reform will put British people first? They are absolutely in it only for themselves. Not you. "Illegal immigration Illegal immigration Illegal immigration. | |||
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"Tomorrow they’ve been in office 7 months Rayners already about 60k light on her annual 300k housing target The pensioners and farmers have been fleeced, the employers from April and looks like savers the next target Pensioners getting fleeced? How on earth is retaining the triple lock a way of fleecing pensioners? In real terms, since 2017, pensioners are about £1k. I suppose you mean, the removal of winter fuel payments for some pensioners. You do realise that most pensioners don't need that money so they basically bank it? They then die. Their kids inherit it. Sorry, that money is better of in the economy that bank accounts. As I said, in real terms, pension is up so, the Winter Fuel Payments aren't necessary. Energy prices are lower than this time last year. They're fairly stable. Now, Labour can't take much if any credit for the above, but, it did give them the opportunity to remove a payment that shouldn't be necessary especially for the wealthy. But did removing the winter fule payment not back fire as more have now applied for pension credit so will get a top up and the winter fule credit. And if they spent it as did not need it where helping the economy posably. But time will tell. See what happens to private pensions and ISA's and dividend tax. My thinking is thay are all up for grabs. Didn't they encourage those who were eligible for pension credit to apply? Therefore, not sure how that backfired. If a pension has an income considerably higher than their outgoings, giving them £200 or whatever doesn't mean that they'll spend more. They already have more than they don't spend. If Labour go after ISAs etc, we need to consider the reasons and the alternative options...Good luck for anyone who thinks that there is a simple alternative. It backfired because they underestimated how many pensioners were missing out on the correct payments. This led to a massive backlog, forcing them to hire 500 additional staff and redesign the application process, an expensive fix for a poorly thought out policy. What’s also conveniently ignored is the flawed means testing. If someone is just 1p over the threshold, they lose everything! There is no sliding scale to make it fairer. Their own internal reports warned this could lead to financial hardship and even deaths, but they pushed ahead anyway with a half baked plan that ended up costing more to fix than if they had planned it properly in the first place. On ISAs, locking them until 2030 is a stealth tax. This affects everyone not just the wealthy but workers and lower earners who wouldn’t even be hit by direct taxes. This move was pushed through quietly in the budget, and by failing to adjust for inflation, it will force money out of ISAs and into taxable accounts, meaning higher savings tax, dividend tax, or even corporation tax for some. Labour’s policy blunders are already costing more than they save, and they are trapping savers in a system that benefits the government, not the people. Who would have thought it...... I knew the numbers. So did they." That is very disappointing to hear! If they knew the numbers, then this isn’t just a miscalculation it is outright incompetence 
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How did they underestimate the scale of pensioners missing out, that lead to a backlog through the coldest of months, emergency hiring, and huge cost fixes. Their means testing system is flawed, it cuts off entire benefits for being 1p over the threshold something that was flagged internally as causing financial hardship and even avoidable deaths.
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change?" Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights. | |||
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"Trouble with Labour is that most of their serious politicians have since died or retired. This lot are mostly Union agitators, ex-student activists or self serving opportunists. Hardly any ofvthem have had a proper real world job or ran a business. It's easy being in opposition and merely hissing the sitting government without the need to come up with anything constructive. Now they have been elected its obvious that they had neithera real plan or the ability to execute it."  | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights."
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans. | |||
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"I've voted Labour all my life. My next Vote will be for Reform. Put British people first. You believe that?! That's what they want you to believe. Brainwashed by RW media. I'm old enough to make my own mind up thank you very much. So, what past experience makes you so convinced Reform will put British people first? They are absolutely in it only for themselves. Not you.
Reform have got five MP’s. I’m not sure they can be blamed for how badly Labour is doing in government."Typically, avoiding and coming up with some insane response. | |||
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"Tomorrow they’ve been in office 7 months Rayners already about 60k light on her annual 300k housing target The pensioners and farmers have been fleeced, the employers from April and looks like savers the next target Pensioners getting fleeced? How on earth is retaining the triple lock a way of fleecing pensioners? In real terms, since 2017, pensioners are about £1k. I suppose you mean, the removal of winter fuel payments for some pensioners. You do realise that most pensioners don't need that money so they basically bank it? They then die. Their kids inherit it. Sorry, that money is better of in the economy that bank accounts. As I said, in real terms, pension is up so, the Winter Fuel Payments aren't necessary. Energy prices are lower than this time last year. They're fairly stable. Now, Labour can't take much if any credit for the above, but, it did give them the opportunity to remove a payment that shouldn't be necessary especially for the wealthy. But did removing the winter fule payment not back fire as more have now applied for pension credit so will get a top up and the winter fule credit. And if they spent it as did not need it where helping the economy posably. But time will tell. See what happens to private pensions and ISA's and dividend tax. My thinking is thay are all up for grabs. Didn't they encourage those who were eligible for pension credit to apply? Therefore, not sure how that backfired. If a pension has an income considerably higher than their outgoings, giving them £200 or whatever doesn't mean that they'll spend more. They already have more than they don't spend. If Labour go after ISAs etc, we need to consider the reasons and the alternative options...Good luck for anyone who thinks that there is a simple alternative. It backfired because they underestimated how many pensioners were missing out on the correct payments. This led to a massive backlog, forcing them to hire 500 additional staff and redesign the application process, an expensive fix for a poorly thought out policy. What’s also conveniently ignored is the flawed means testing. If someone is just 1p over the threshold, they lose everything! There is no sliding scale to make it fairer. Their own internal reports warned this could lead to financial hardship and even deaths, but they pushed ahead anyway with a half baked plan that ended up costing more to fix than if they had planned it properly in the first place. On ISAs, locking them until 2030 is a stealth tax. This affects everyone not just the wealthy but workers and lower earners who wouldn’t even be hit by direct taxes. This move was pushed through quietly in the budget, and by failing to adjust for inflation, it will force money out of ISAs and into taxable accounts, meaning higher savings tax, dividend tax, or even corporation tax for some. Labour’s policy blunders are already costing more than they save, and they are trapping savers in a system that benefits the government, not the people. Who would have thought it...... I knew the numbers. So did they. That is very disappointing to hear! If they knew the numbers, then this isn’t just a miscalculation it is outright incompetence
Lets look at the poor judgment when knowing the numbers:
How did they underestimate the scale of pensioners missing out, that lead to a backlog through the coldest of months, emergency hiring, and huge cost fixes. Their means testing system is flawed, it cuts off entire benefits for being 1p over the threshold something that was flagged internally as causing financial hardship and even avoidable deaths.
They either didn’t think it through or didn’t care about the consequences, which one is it?"Is that the 2017 report you are referring too when talking about deaths?! The WFP shouldn't have ever existed. The pension should have been increased. It's now in real terms, higher than 2017 and significantly higher than when these payments were introduced. | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months? "When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election? | |||
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"I am close to retirement, I did not vote labour to lose winter fuel payments or see WASPI women denied compensation . what happened to taxing the rich & getting rid of the house of lords ? There was no plan to get rid of the house of lords. A law to reform the House of Lords is being introduced by the Labour government. Losing winter fuel allowance. Well, if your income is very low, you will still get it. If it wasn't, then, labour (like the Tories) committed to the triple lock, which since 2017, has made pensioners better off by £1k in real terms. Of course you didn't mention that. So, it's a bit off to complain about losing a couple of hundred quid when the triple lock has more than made up for it. absolute rubbish the triple lock only keeps the pension in line with inflation & wage growth or a small 2.5% increase it does not pay for the lost winter fuel allowance or cushion old people from rapidly increasing fuel costs above inflation " | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?"You will have seen some by then, yes. | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes. "Sure how sure are you of that. If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits. | |||
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"I am close to retirement, I did not vote labour to lose winter fuel payments or see WASPI women denied compensation . what happened to taxing the rich & getting rid of the house of lords ? There was no plan to get rid of the house of lords. A law to reform the House of Lords is being introduced by the Labour government. Losing winter fuel allowance. Well, if your income is very low, you will still get it. If it wasn't, then, labour (like the Tories) committed to the triple lock, which since 2017, has made pensioners better off by £1k in real terms. Of course you didn't mention that. So, it's a bit off to complain about losing a couple of hundred quid when the triple lock has more than made up for it. absolute rubbish the triple lock only keeps the pension in line with inflation & wage growth or a small 2.5% increase it does not pay for the lost winter fuel allowance or cushion old people from rapidly increasing fuel costs above inflation "
FFS, stop the rw nonsense.
I have already said, in real terms, triple lock has increased pension by over £1k since 2017. Way way more than the WFP.
Rapidly rising fuel cost? Give it a rest.
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits."I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election. Santander?!
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits.
I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election.
Santander?!
Keep up. "NHS can't keep staff let alone recruit staff to work in a crumbling estate. And Labour has just pushed back some hospital re building posably in favour of other spending. Public sector wages. | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits.
I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election.
Santander?!
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits.
I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election.
Santander?!
Keep up.
You've been brainwashed by the far left "What you don't think he is the far left. | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits.
I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election.
Santander?!
Keep up.
You've been brainwashed by the far left
What you don't think he is the far left. "Beats being brain dead and an easily manipulated right winger. Tbh, you probably aren't a right winger. You are just getting played. | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits.
I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election.
Santander?!
Keep up.
You've been brainwashed by the far left
What you don't think he is the far left.
Beats being brain dead and an easily manipulated right winger. Tbh, you probably aren't a right winger. You are just getting played."If you want to talk about being easily manipulated.. What is your opinion on labour promising not to tax the working person and then taxing the working person? what is your opinion on 1.5 million new homes that will be delivered by forcing private building companies to build more affordable homes? Is that number achievable? What is your opinion on Starmer and Reeves pledges that there will be no more tax rises, do you expect that to be true or not? What is your opinion on business confidence being at an all time low, are they right to worry or not? The imaginary 22 billion blackhole, why wont they allow a FOI to show how what the 22 billion comprises of? All of the above and a lot more, could be said to have been labour manipulating the narrative for their own benefit, labour supporters will defend that with "14 years of mismanagement". There can be no more missteps and no more lies, the country has had a terrible time of it over the last 10 years, they thought things were going to be dealt with better under this government, that has not been the case to date. | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits.
I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election.
Santander?!
Keep up.
You've been brainwashed by the far left
What you don't think he is the far left.
Beats being brain dead and an easily manipulated right winger. Tbh, you probably aren't a right winger. You are just getting played.
If you want to talk about being easily manipulated.. What is your opinion on labour promising not to tax the working person and then taxing the working person? what is your opinion on 1.5 million new homes that will be delivered by forcing private building companies to build more affordable homes? Is that number achievable?
What is your opinion on Starmer and Reeves pledges that there will be no more tax rises, do you expect that to be true or not?
What is your opinion on business confidence being at an all time low, are they right to worry or not?
The imaginary 22 billion blackhole, why wont they allow a FOI to show how what the 22 billion comprises of?
All of the above and a lot more, could be said to have been labour manipulating the narrative for their own benefit, labour supporters will defend that with "14 years of mismanagement".
There can be no more missteps and no more lies, the country has had a terrible time of it over the last 10 years, they thought things were going to be dealt with better under this government, that has not been the case to date. "Have they still not revealed how the alleged £22 billion was calculated? I saw an interview involving a Senior OBR guy who was asked about this figure. He says there was around £9.5 billion of spending pressure that was not revealed to them. He explained that spending pressure is not the same as money that has to be spent but money that may possibly be required. When asked how Labour get to the £22 billion figure, he had no idea how they got to that. Was hoping this would have been resolved by now especially as it was used as justification of the budget increases. | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits.
I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election.
Santander?!
Keep up.
You've been brainwashed by the far left
What you don't think he is the far left.
Beats being brain dead and an easily manipulated right winger. Tbh, you probably aren't a right winger. You are just getting played.
If you want to talk about being easily manipulated.. What is your opinion on labour promising not to tax the working person and then taxing the working person? what is your opinion on 1.5 million new homes that will be delivered by forcing private building companies to build more affordable homes? Is that number achievable?
What is your opinion on Starmer and Reeves pledges that there will be no more tax rises, do you expect that to be true or not?
What is your opinion on business confidence being at an all time low, are they right to worry or not?
The imaginary 22 billion blackhole, why wont they allow a FOI to show how what the 22 billion comprises of?
All of the above and a lot more, could be said to have been labour manipulating the narrative for their own benefit, labour supporters will defend that with "14 years of mismanagement".
There can be no more missteps and no more lies, the country has had a terrible time of it over the last 10 years, they thought things were going to be dealt with better under this government, that has not been the case to date.
Have they still not revealed how the alleged £22 billion was calculated? I saw an interview involving a Senior OBR guy who was asked about this figure. He says there was around £9.5 billion of spending pressure that was not revealed to them. He explained that spending pressure is not the same as money that has to be spent but money that may possibly be required. When asked how Labour get to the £22 billion figure, he had no idea how they got to that. Was hoping this would have been resolved by now especially as it was used as justification of the budget increases."Not to my knowledge, it hasn't and I don't think it will be until we see a memoir or 2 in 5 years time. | |||
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"You do realise that most pensioners don't need that money so they basically bank it? They then die. Their kids inherit it. Sorry, that money is better of in the economy that bank accounts. As I said, in real terms, pension is up so, the Winter Fuel Payments aren't necessary." ... followed by "The WFP shouldn't have ever existed. The pension should have been increased. It's now in real terms, higher than 2017 and significantly higher than when these payments were introduced." So pensioners don't need the Winter Fuel Payment as they just stick it in the bank, but all pensioners should be getting more money, and Labour are doing that? You may need to reevaluate your thought process. | |||
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"You do realise that most pensioners don't need that money so they basically bank it? They then die. Their kids inherit it. Sorry, that money is better of in the economy that bank accounts. As I said, in real terms, pension is up so, the Winter Fuel Payments aren't necessary. ... followed by The WFP shouldn't have ever existed. The pension should have been increased. It's now in real terms, higher than 2017 and significantly higher than when these payments were introduced. So pensioners don't need the Winter Fuel Payment as they just stick it in the bank, but all pensioners should be getting more money, and Labour are doing that? You may need to reevaluate your thought process." There is a big SHOULD be getting more, that not very confident. Its like saying we should not crash over taking on a blind bend. | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits.
I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election.
Santander?!
Keep up.
You've been brainwashed by the far left
What you don't think he is the far left.
Beats being brain dead and an easily manipulated right winger. Tbh, you probably aren't a right winger. You are just getting played.
If you want to talk about being easily manipulated.. What is your opinion on labour promising not to tax the working person and then taxing the working person? what is your opinion on 1.5 million new homes that will be delivered by forcing private building companies to build more affordable homes? Is that number achievable?
What is your opinion on Starmer and Reeves pledges that there will be no more tax rises, do you expect that to be true or not?
What is your opinion on business confidence being at an all time low, are they right to worry or not?
The imaginary 22 billion blackhole, why wont they allow a FOI to show how what the 22 billion comprises of?
All of the above and a lot more, could be said to have been labour manipulating the narrative for their own benefit, labour supporters will defend that with "14 years of mismanagement".
There can be no more missteps and no more lies, the country has had a terrible time of it over the last 10 years, they thought things were going to be dealt with better under this government, that has not been the case to date.
Have they still not revealed how the alleged £22 billion was calculated? I saw an interview involving a Senior OBR guy who was asked about this figure. He says there was around £9.5 billion of spending pressure that was not revealed to them. He explained that spending pressure is not the same as money that has to be spent but money that may possibly be required. When asked how Labour get to the £22 billion figure, he had no idea how they got to that. Was hoping this would have been resolved by now especially as it was used as justification of the budget increases."To understand what the £22 billion black hole is referring to, you need to know that this money hasn't necessarily been spent, or will be from the point it was announced as being the case. It references a budget overspend that is money that could/should be spent from commitments made in plans that could have been committed to (usually law binding), of which these plans and proposals will no doubt have been made months or more likely years prior to 2024! So it is difficult to provide hard evidence of something that hasn't happened yet, but is likely to happen in the future which makes it a burden. | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits.
I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election.
Santander?!
Keep up.
You've been brainwashed by the far left
What you don't think he is the far left.
Beats being brain dead and an easily manipulated right winger. Tbh, you probably aren't a right winger. You are just getting played.
If you want to talk about being easily manipulated.. What is your opinion on labour promising not to tax the working person and then taxing the working person? what is your opinion on 1.5 million new homes that will be delivered by forcing private building companies to build more affordable homes? Is that number achievable?
What is your opinion on Starmer and Reeves pledges that there will be no more tax rises, do you expect that to be true or not?
What is your opinion on business confidence being at an all time low, are they right to worry or not?
The imaginary 22 billion blackhole, why wont they allow a FOI to show how what the 22 billion comprises of?
All of the above and a lot more, could be said to have been labour manipulating the narrative for their own benefit, labour supporters will defend that with "14 years of mismanagement".
There can be no more missteps and no more lies, the country has had a terrible time of it over the last 10 years, they thought things were going to be dealt with better under this government, that has not been the case to date.
Have they still not revealed how the alleged £22 billion was calculated? I saw an interview involving a Senior OBR guy who was asked about this figure. He says there was around £9.5 billion of spending pressure that was not revealed to them. He explained that spending pressure is not the same as money that has to be spent but money that may possibly be required. When asked how Labour get to the £22 billion figure, he had no idea how they got to that. Was hoping this would have been resolved by now especially as it was used as justification of the budget increases.
To understand what the £22 billion black hole is referring to, you need to know that this money hasn't necessarily been spent, or will be from the point it was announced as being the case. It references a budget overspend that is money that could/should be spent from commitments made in plans that could have been committed to (usually law binding), of which these plans and proposals will no doubt have been made months or more likely years prior to 2024!
So it is difficult to provide hard evidence of something that hasn't happened yet, but is likely to happen in the future which makes it a burden."The guy from the OBR had a similar explanation but confirmed it was for around £9.5 billion and does not know how Labour claim £22 billion. I would have thought if anyone would know it would be the OBR. | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits.
I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election.
Santander?!
Keep up.
You've been brainwashed by the far left
What you don't think he is the far left.
Beats being brain dead and an easily manipulated right winger. Tbh, you probably aren't a right winger. You are just getting played.
If you want to talk about being easily manipulated.. What is your opinion on labour promising not to tax the working person and then taxing the working person? what is your opinion on 1.5 million new homes that will be delivered by forcing private building companies to build more affordable homes? Is that number achievable?
What is your opinion on Starmer and Reeves pledges that there will be no more tax rises, do you expect that to be true or not?
What is your opinion on business confidence being at an all time low, are they right to worry or not?
The imaginary 22 billion blackhole, why wont they allow a FOI to show how what the 22 billion comprises of?
All of the above and a lot more, could be said to have been labour manipulating the narrative for their own benefit, labour supporters will defend that with "14 years of mismanagement".
There can be no more missteps and no more lies, the country has had a terrible time of it over the last 10 years, they thought things were going to be dealt with better under this government, that has not been the case to date.
Have they still not revealed how the alleged £22 billion was calculated? I saw an interview involving a Senior OBR guy who was asked about this figure. He says there was around £9.5 billion of spending pressure that was not revealed to them. He explained that spending pressure is not the same as money that has to be spent but money that may possibly be required. When asked how Labour get to the £22 billion figure, he had no idea how they got to that. Was hoping this would have been resolved by now especially as it was used as justification of the budget increases.
To understand what the £22 billion black hole is referring to, you need to know that this money hasn't necessarily been spent, or will be from the point it was announced as being the case. It references a budget overspend that is money that could/should be spent from commitments made in plans that could have been committed to (usually law binding), of which these plans and proposals will no doubt have been made months or more likely years prior to 2024!
So it is difficult to provide hard evidence of something that hasn't happened yet, but is likely to happen in the future which makes it a burden.
The guy from the OBR had a similar explanation but confirmed it was for around £9.5 billion and does not know how Labour claim £22 billion. I would have thought if anyone would know it would be the OBR."Experts aren't always right... otherwise you'd only need one in each field of expertise. Like the rest of us they have differing opinions | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits.
I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election.
Santander?!
Keep up.
You've been brainwashed by the far left
What you don't think he is the far left.
Beats being brain dead and an easily manipulated right winger. Tbh, you probably aren't a right winger. You are just getting played.
If you want to talk about being easily manipulated.. What is your opinion on labour promising not to tax the working person and then taxing the working person? what is your opinion on 1.5 million new homes that will be delivered by forcing private building companies to build more affordable homes? Is that number achievable?
What is your opinion on Starmer and Reeves pledges that there will be no more tax rises, do you expect that to be true or not?
What is your opinion on business confidence being at an all time low, are they right to worry or not?
The imaginary 22 billion blackhole, why wont they allow a FOI to show how what the 22 billion comprises of?
All of the above and a lot more, could be said to have been labour manipulating the narrative for their own benefit, labour supporters will defend that with "14 years of mismanagement".
There can be no more missteps and no more lies, the country has had a terrible time of it over the last 10 years, they thought things were going to be dealt with better under this government, that has not been the case to date.
Have they still not revealed how the alleged £22 billion was calculated? I saw an interview involving a Senior OBR guy who was asked about this figure. He says there was around £9.5 billion of spending pressure that was not revealed to them. He explained that spending pressure is not the same as money that has to be spent but money that may possibly be required. When asked how Labour get to the £22 billion figure, he had no idea how they got to that. Was hoping this would have been resolved by now especially as it was used as justification of the budget increases.
To understand what the £22 billion black hole is referring to, you need to know that this money hasn't necessarily been spent, or will be from the point it was announced as being the case. It references a budget overspend that is money that could/should be spent from commitments made in plans that could have been committed to (usually law binding), of which these plans and proposals will no doubt have been made months or more likely years prior to 2024!
So it is difficult to provide hard evidence of something that hasn't happened yet, but is likely to happen in the future which makes it a burden.
The guy from the OBR had a similar explanation but confirmed it was for around £9.5 billion and does not know how Labour claim £22 billion. I would have thought if anyone would know it would be the OBR.
Experts aren't always right... otherwise you'd only need one in each field of expertise. Like the rest of us they have differing opinions "He is from the OBR who get to see the figures so not about opinion, it's actual figures. It is people who have the actual data but only can account for £9.5 billion and not £22 billion. | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits.
I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election.
Santander?!
Keep up.
You've been brainwashed by the far left
What you don't think he is the far left.
Beats being brain dead and an easily manipulated right winger. Tbh, you probably aren't a right winger. You are just getting played.
If you want to talk about being easily manipulated.. What is your opinion on labour promising not to tax the working person and then taxing the working person? what is your opinion on 1.5 million new homes that will be delivered by forcing private building companies to build more affordable homes? Is that number achievable?
What is your opinion on Starmer and Reeves pledges that there will be no more tax rises, do you expect that to be true or not?
What is your opinion on business confidence being at an all time low, are they right to worry or not?
The imaginary 22 billion blackhole, why wont they allow a FOI to show how what the 22 billion comprises of?
All of the above and a lot more, could be said to have been labour manipulating the narrative for their own benefit, labour supporters will defend that with "14 years of mismanagement".
There can be no more missteps and no more lies, the country has had a terrible time of it over the last 10 years, they thought things were going to be dealt with better under this government, that has not been the case to date.
Have they still not revealed how the alleged £22 billion was calculated? I saw an interview involving a Senior OBR guy who was asked about this figure. He says there was around £9.5 billion of spending pressure that was not revealed to them. He explained that spending pressure is not the same as money that has to be spent but money that may possibly be required. When asked how Labour get to the £22 billion figure, he had no idea how they got to that. Was hoping this would have been resolved by now especially as it was used as justification of the budget increases.
To understand what the £22 billion black hole is referring to, you need to know that this money hasn't necessarily been spent, or will be from the point it was announced as being the case. It references a budget overspend that is money that could/should be spent from commitments made in plans that could have been committed to (usually law binding), of which these plans and proposals will no doubt have been made months or more likely years prior to 2024!
So it is difficult to provide hard evidence of something that hasn't happened yet, but is likely to happen in the future which makes it a burden.
The guy from the OBR had a similar explanation but confirmed it was for around £9.5 billion and does not know how Labour claim £22 billion. I would have thought if anyone would know it would be the OBR.
Experts aren't always right... otherwise you'd only need one in each field of expertise. Like the rest of us they have differing opinions
He is from the OBR who get to see the figures so not about opinion, it's actual figures. It is people who have the actual data but only can account for £9.5 billion and not £22 billion."And there's still plenty of experts who will disagree. It's a fact of life. | |||
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"I’m afraid they work for Davos, not us. We need PR but Davos won’t want that. That just leaves us squabbling amongst ourselves about left and right like frustrated kids on the back seat of a car. Are we there yet? "😂😂 Behave or I’ll stop and you can get out! | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits.
I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election.
Santander?!
Keep up.
You've been brainwashed by the far left
What you don't think he is the far left.
Beats being brain dead and an easily manipulated right winger. Tbh, you probably aren't a right winger. You are just getting played.
If you want to talk about being easily manipulated.. What is your opinion on labour promising not to tax the working person and then taxing the working person? what is your opinion on 1.5 million new homes that will be delivered by forcing private building companies to build more affordable homes? Is that number achievable?
What is your opinion on Starmer and Reeves pledges that there will be no more tax rises, do you expect that to be true or not?
What is your opinion on business confidence being at an all time low, are they right to worry or not?
The imaginary 22 billion blackhole, why wont they allow a FOI to show how what the 22 billion comprises of?
All of the above and a lot more, could be said to have been labour manipulating the narrative for their own benefit, labour supporters will defend that with "14 years of mismanagement".
There can be no more missteps and no more lies, the country has had a terrible time of it over the last 10 years, they thought things were going to be dealt with better under this government, that has not been the case to date.
Have they still not revealed how the alleged £22 billion was calculated? I saw an interview involving a Senior OBR guy who was asked about this figure. He says there was around £9.5 billion of spending pressure that was not revealed to them. He explained that spending pressure is not the same as money that has to be spent but money that may possibly be required. When asked how Labour get to the £22 billion figure, he had no idea how they got to that. Was hoping this would have been resolved by now especially as it was used as justification of the budget increases.
To understand what the £22 billion black hole is referring to, you need to know that this money hasn't necessarily been spent, or will be from the point it was announced as being the case. It references a budget overspend that is money that could/should be spent from commitments made in plans that could have been committed to (usually law binding), of which these plans and proposals will no doubt have been made months or more likely years prior to 2024!
So it is difficult to provide hard evidence of something that hasn't happened yet, but is likely to happen in the future which makes it a burden.
The guy from the OBR had a similar explanation but confirmed it was for around £9.5 billion and does not know how Labour claim £22 billion. I would have thought if anyone would know it would be the OBR.
Experts aren't always right... otherwise you'd only need one in each field of expertise. Like the rest of us they have differing opinions
He is from the OBR who get to see the figures so not about opinion, it's actual figures. It is people who have the actual data but only can account for £9.5 billion and not £22 billion."The £9.5bn is what wasn't declared by the previous government. The rest of the £22bn was declared around March 24. But, still an overspend and an amount Labour shouldn't have been in a position to have to deal with. It's a £22bn black hole that needs plugging. Simple as that. | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits.
I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election.
Santander?!
Keep up.
You've been brainwashed by the far left
What you don't think he is the far left.
Beats being brain dead and an easily manipulated right winger. Tbh, you probably aren't a right winger. You are just getting played.
If you want to talk about being easily manipulated.. What is your opinion on labour promising not to tax the working person and then taxing the working person? what is your opinion on 1.5 million new homes that will be delivered by forcing private building companies to build more affordable homes? Is that number achievable?
What is your opinion on Starmer and Reeves pledges that there will be no more tax rises, do you expect that to be true or not?
What is your opinion on business confidence being at an all time low, are they right to worry or not?
The imaginary 22 billion blackhole, why wont they allow a FOI to show how what the 22 billion comprises of?
All of the above and a lot more, could be said to have been labour manipulating the narrative for their own benefit, labour supporters will defend that with "14 years of mismanagement".
There can be no more missteps and no more lies, the country has had a terrible time of it over the last 10 years, they thought things were going to be dealt with better under this government, that has not been the case to date. "Labour made it clear in the manifesto what taxes would rise and what taxes wouldn't rise. They specifically mentioned working people and NI, Income tax and VAT. None of these have increased for working people. They have increased for business owners who do of course pay NI, but that's their business. Black hole discussed. It was £22bn. It's just you lot can't do the sums. 1.5m homes achievable. Perhaps not. You do understand a target. Not meeting that target isn't necessary a fail. Business confidence has taken a knock but, let's face it, the mess needs fixing so what's your solution?! | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits.
I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election.
Santander?!
Keep up.
You've been brainwashed by the far left
What you don't think he is the far left.
Beats being brain dead and an easily manipulated right winger. Tbh, you probably aren't a right winger. You are just getting played.
If you want to talk about being easily manipulated.. What is your opinion on labour promising not to tax the working person and then taxing the working person? what is your opinion on 1.5 million new homes that will be delivered by forcing private building companies to build more affordable homes? Is that number achievable?
What is your opinion on Starmer and Reeves pledges that there will be no more tax rises, do you expect that to be true or not?
What is your opinion on business confidence being at an all time low, are they right to worry or not?
The imaginary 22 billion blackhole, why wont they allow a FOI to show how what the 22 billion comprises of?
All of the above and a lot more, could be said to have been labour manipulating the narrative for their own benefit, labour supporters will defend that with "14 years of mismanagement".
There can be no more missteps and no more lies, the country has had a terrible time of it over the last 10 years, they thought things were going to be dealt with better under this government, that has not been the case to date.
Have they still not revealed how the alleged £22 billion was calculated? I saw an interview involving a Senior OBR guy who was asked about this figure. He says there was around £9.5 billion of spending pressure that was not revealed to them. He explained that spending pressure is not the same as money that has to be spent but money that may possibly be required. When asked how Labour get to the £22 billion figure, he had no idea how they got to that. Was hoping this would have been resolved by now especially as it was used as justification of the budget increases.
To understand what the £22 billion black hole is referring to, you need to know that this money hasn't necessarily been spent, or will be from the point it was announced as being the case. It references a budget overspend that is money that could/should be spent from commitments made in plans that could have been committed to (usually law binding), of which these plans and proposals will no doubt have been made months or more likely years prior to 2024!
So it is difficult to provide hard evidence of something that hasn't happened yet, but is likely to happen in the future which makes it a burden.
The guy from the OBR had a similar explanation but confirmed it was for around £9.5 billion and does not know how Labour claim £22 billion. I would have thought if anyone would know it would be the OBR.
Experts aren't always right... otherwise you'd only need one in each field of expertise. Like the rest of us they have differing opinions
He is from the OBR who get to see the figures so not about opinion, it's actual figures. It is people who have the actual data but only can account for £9.5 billion and not £22 billion.
The £9.5bn is what wasn't declared by the previous government. The rest of the £22bn was declared around March 24. But, still an overspend and an amount Labour shouldn't have been in a position to have to deal with.
It's a £22bn black hole that needs plugging. Simple as that."The interview with the OBR was late summer of 2024 so long after you claim the rest of the money/ spending was declared. Yet the OBR insist they have not calculated £22 billion and do not know how that figure was arrived at. | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits.
I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election.
Santander?!
Keep up.
You've been brainwashed by the far left
What you don't think he is the far left.
Beats being brain dead and an easily manipulated right winger. Tbh, you probably aren't a right winger. You are just getting played.
If you want to talk about being easily manipulated.. What is your opinion on labour promising not to tax the working person and then taxing the working person? what is your opinion on 1.5 million new homes that will be delivered by forcing private building companies to build more affordable homes? Is that number achievable?
What is your opinion on Starmer and Reeves pledges that there will be no more tax rises, do you expect that to be true or not?
What is your opinion on business confidence being at an all time low, are they right to worry or not?
The imaginary 22 billion blackhole, why wont they allow a FOI to show how what the 22 billion comprises of?
All of the above and a lot more, could be said to have been labour manipulating the narrative for their own benefit, labour supporters will defend that with "14 years of mismanagement".
There can be no more missteps and no more lies, the country has had a terrible time of it over the last 10 years, they thought things were going to be dealt with better under this government, that has not been the case to date.
Have they still not revealed how the alleged £22 billion was calculated? I saw an interview involving a Senior OBR guy who was asked about this figure. He says there was around £9.5 billion of spending pressure that was not revealed to them. He explained that spending pressure is not the same as money that has to be spent but money that may possibly be required. When asked how Labour get to the £22 billion figure, he had no idea how they got to that. Was hoping this would have been resolved by now especially as it was used as justification of the budget increases.
To understand what the £22 billion black hole is referring to, you need to know that this money hasn't necessarily been spent, or will be from the point it was announced as being the case. It references a budget overspend that is money that could/should be spent from commitments made in plans that could have been committed to (usually law binding), of which these plans and proposals will no doubt have been made months or more likely years prior to 2024!
So it is difficult to provide hard evidence of something that hasn't happened yet, but is likely to happen in the future which makes it a burden.
The guy from the OBR had a similar explanation but confirmed it was for around £9.5 billion and does not know how Labour claim £22 billion. I would have thought if anyone would know it would be the OBR.
Experts aren't always right... otherwise you'd only need one in each field of expertise. Like the rest of us they have differing opinions
He is from the OBR who get to see the figures so not about opinion, it's actual figures. It is people who have the actual data but only can account for £9.5 billion and not £22 billion.
The £9.5bn is what wasn't declared by the previous government. The rest of the £22bn was declared around March 24. But, still an overspend and an amount Labour shouldn't have been in a position to have to deal with.
It's a £22bn black hole that needs plugging. Simple as that.
The interview with the OBR was late summer of 2024 so long after you claim the rest of the money/ spending was declared. Yet the OBR insist they have not calculated £22 billion and do not know how that figure was arrived at."The borrowing figures for the first six months of the year they were already running £11bn higher than the OBR forecast in March. Add on the unaccounted spending of £9.4bn the OBR also identified that is the best part of £22bn. That's £22bn the labour government needed to plug in the finances. It really is that simple. | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits.
I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election.
Santander?!
Keep up.
You've been brainwashed by the far left
What you don't think he is the far left.
Beats being brain dead and an easily manipulated right winger. Tbh, you probably aren't a right winger. You are just getting played.
If you want to talk about being easily manipulated.. What is your opinion on labour promising not to tax the working person and then taxing the working person? what is your opinion on 1.5 million new homes that will be delivered by forcing private building companies to build more affordable homes? Is that number achievable?
What is your opinion on Starmer and Reeves pledges that there will be no more tax rises, do you expect that to be true or not?
What is your opinion on business confidence being at an all time low, are they right to worry or not?
The imaginary 22 billion blackhole, why wont they allow a FOI to show how what the 22 billion comprises of?
All of the above and a lot more, could be said to have been labour manipulating the narrative for their own benefit, labour supporters will defend that with "14 years of mismanagement".
There can be no more missteps and no more lies, the country has had a terrible time of it over the last 10 years, they thought things were going to be dealt with better under this government, that has not been the case to date.
Labour made it clear in the manifesto what taxes would rise and what taxes wouldn't rise. They specifically mentioned working people and NI, Income tax and VAT. None of these have increased for working people. They have increased for business owners who do of course pay NI, but that's their business.
Black hole discussed. It was £22bn. It's just you lot can't do the sums.
1.5m homes achievable. Perhaps not. You do understand a target. Not meeting that target isn't necessary a fail.
Business confidence has taken a knock but, let's face it, the mess needs fixing so what's your solution?!
"You’re playing Labour’s word game, what exactly is a “working person”? Over 5 million small business owners with many of them taking a wage and employing others, yet their increased employer NI contributions don’t count as “working people” to Labour they just deserve to pay more. Rachel Reeves admitted pay rises will slow down for workers because of the NI rise, right after handing £22 billion in above inflation public sector pay rises. Now, we face job losses and hiring freezes, with businesses big and small already cutting investment which trickles through to workers. The housing target was always unrealistic, and now builders are pausing projects due to labour's demands on affordable housing yet another hit to workers. The positive was Rayner needed to stop with shouting at people, telling them they had no choice, can't say no, they are being built. It was embarrassing... GB Energy? Billions will be wasted propping up unions, the same ones that hold the country to ransom. Miliband is being overruled by Reeves so what is going, left hand, right hand. It is a labour folly. Gilt yields jumped after such a weak budget, and we all know Reeves will have to raise taxes and increase borrowing even she’s admitted as much. And let’s not forget her stealth tax on ISAs, hitting workers who were encouraged to save. Where was the plan, there wasn't one! All a big word play game and when it came down to it, the bottom fell out after 14 years of twiddling their thumbs. As I said earlier the country deserves better than this. | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits.
I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election.
Santander?!
Keep up.
You've been brainwashed by the far left
What you don't think he is the far left.
Beats being brain dead and an easily manipulated right winger. Tbh, you probably aren't a right winger. You are just getting played.
If you want to talk about being easily manipulated.. What is your opinion on labour promising not to tax the working person and then taxing the working person? what is your opinion on 1.5 million new homes that will be delivered by forcing private building companies to build more affordable homes? Is that number achievable?
What is your opinion on Starmer and Reeves pledges that there will be no more tax rises, do you expect that to be true or not?
What is your opinion on business confidence being at an all time low, are they right to worry or not?
The imaginary 22 billion blackhole, why wont they allow a FOI to show how what the 22 billion comprises of?
All of the above and a lot more, could be said to have been labour manipulating the narrative for their own benefit, labour supporters will defend that with "14 years of mismanagement".
There can be no more missteps and no more lies, the country has had a terrible time of it over the last 10 years, they thought things were going to be dealt with better under this government, that has not been the case to date.
Labour made it clear in the manifesto what taxes would rise and what taxes wouldn't rise. They specifically mentioned working people and NI, Income tax and VAT. None of these have increased for working people. They have increased for business owners who do of course pay NI, but that's their business.
Black hole discussed. It was £22bn. It's just you lot can't do the sums.
1.5m homes achievable. Perhaps not. You do understand a target. Not meeting that target isn't necessary a fail.
Business confidence has taken a knock but, let's face it, the mess needs fixing so what's your solution?!
You’re playing Labour’s word game, what exactly is a “working person”?
Over 5 million small business owners with many of them taking a wage and employing others, yet their increased employer NI contributions don’t count as “working people” to Labour they just deserve to pay more.
Rachel Reeves admitted pay rises will slow down for workers because of the NI rise, right after handing £22 billion in above inflation public sector pay rises. Now, we face job losses and hiring freezes, with businesses big and small already cutting investment which trickles through to workers.
The housing target was always unrealistic, and now builders are pausing projects due to labour's demands on affordable housing yet another hit to workers. The positive was Rayner needed to stop with shouting at people, telling them they had no choice, can't say no, they are being built. It was embarrassing...
GB Energy? Billions will be wasted propping up unions, the same ones that hold the country to ransom. Miliband is being overruled by Reeves so what is going, left hand, right hand. It is a labour folly.
Gilt yields jumped after such a weak budget, and we all know Reeves will have to raise taxes and increase borrowing even she’s admitted as much.
And let’s not forget her stealth tax on ISAs, hitting workers who were encouraged to save.
Where was the plan, there wasn't one! All a big word play game and when it came down to it, the bottom fell out after 14 years of twiddling their thumbs.
As I said earlier the country deserves better than this."It's not a word game. If it is, it's your side that is playing it. A business is a business. It's owner is an owner. Yes, they work. But the tax is on the business. It really isn't difficult to understand. But, what we have seen is significant word twisting with everything Labour say. For example, Starmer didn't say that those protesting or those who have an issue with people arriving on boats were far right. But, RW stir it and the gullible are convinced Starmer was calling them far right. The lies. Most of the "lies" are far from lies. A bit of editing or lack of context, and there is the lie. E.g. labour didn't say they would reduce energy by £400 of they got in. They didn't say they would freeze energy if they got it in. If the country deserves better, what do you suggest? | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits.
I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election.
Santander?!
Keep up.
You've been brainwashed by the far left
What you don't think he is the far left.
Beats being brain dead and an easily manipulated right winger. Tbh, you probably aren't a right winger. You are just getting played.
If you want to talk about being easily manipulated.. What is your opinion on labour promising not to tax the working person and then taxing the working person? what is your opinion on 1.5 million new homes that will be delivered by forcing private building companies to build more affordable homes? Is that number achievable?
What is your opinion on Starmer and Reeves pledges that there will be no more tax rises, do you expect that to be true or not?
What is your opinion on business confidence being at an all time low, are they right to worry or not?
The imaginary 22 billion blackhole, why wont they allow a FOI to show how what the 22 billion comprises of?
All of the above and a lot more, could be said to have been labour manipulating the narrative for their own benefit, labour supporters will defend that with "14 years of mismanagement".
There can be no more missteps and no more lies, the country has had a terrible time of it over the last 10 years, they thought things were going to be dealt with better under this government, that has not been the case to date.
Labour made it clear in the manifesto what taxes would rise and what taxes wouldn't rise. They specifically mentioned working people and NI, Income tax and VAT. None of these have increased for working people. They have increased for business owners who do of course pay NI, but that's their business.
Black hole discussed. It was £22bn. It's just you lot can't do the sums.
1.5m homes achievable. Perhaps not. You do understand a target. Not meeting that target isn't necessary a fail.
Business confidence has taken a knock but, let's face it, the mess needs fixing so what's your solution?!
You’re playing Labour’s word game, what exactly is a “working person”?
Over 5 million small business owners with many of them taking a wage and employing others, yet their increased employer NI contributions don’t count as “working people” to Labour they just deserve to pay more.
Rachel Reeves admitted pay rises will slow down for workers because of the NI rise, right after handing £22 billion in above inflation public sector pay rises. Now, we face job losses and hiring freezes, with businesses big and small already cutting investment which trickles through to workers.
The housing target was always unrealistic, and now builders are pausing projects due to labour's demands on affordable housing yet another hit to workers. The positive was Rayner needed to stop with shouting at people, telling them they had no choice, can't say no, they are being built. It was embarrassing...
GB Energy? Billions will be wasted propping up unions, the same ones that hold the country to ransom. Miliband is being overruled by Reeves so what is going, left hand, right hand. It is a labour folly.
Gilt yields jumped after such a weak budget, and we all know Reeves will have to raise taxes and increase borrowing even she’s admitted as much.
And let’s not forget her stealth tax on ISAs, hitting workers who were encouraged to save.
Where was the plan, there wasn't one! All a big word play game and when it came down to it, the bottom fell out after 14 years of twiddling their thumbs.
As I said earlier the country deserves better than this.
It's not a word game. If it is, it's your side that is playing it. A business is a business. It's owner is an owner. Yes, they work. But the tax is on the business.
It really isn't difficult to understand. But, what we have seen is significant word twisting with everything Labour say. For example, Starmer didn't say that those protesting or those who have an issue with people arriving on boats were far right. But, RW stir it and the gullible are convinced Starmer was calling them far right.
The lies. Most of the "lies" are far from lies. A bit of editing or lack of context, and there is the lie. E.g. labour didn't say they would reduce energy by £400 of they got in. They didn't say they would freeze energy if they got it in.
If the country deserves better, what do you suggest?
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits.
I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election.
Santander?!
Keep up.
You've been brainwashed by the far left
What you don't think he is the far left.
Beats being brain dead and an easily manipulated right winger. Tbh, you probably aren't a right winger. You are just getting played.
If you want to talk about being easily manipulated.. What is your opinion on labour promising not to tax the working person and then taxing the working person? what is your opinion on 1.5 million new homes that will be delivered by forcing private building companies to build more affordable homes? Is that number achievable?
What is your opinion on Starmer and Reeves pledges that there will be no more tax rises, do you expect that to be true or not?
What is your opinion on business confidence being at an all time low, are they right to worry or not?
The imaginary 22 billion blackhole, why wont they allow a FOI to show how what the 22 billion comprises of?
All of the above and a lot more, could be said to have been labour manipulating the narrative for their own benefit, labour supporters will defend that with "14 years of mismanagement".
There can be no more missteps and no more lies, the country has had a terrible time of it over the last 10 years, they thought things were going to be dealt with better under this government, that has not been the case to date.
Labour made it clear in the manifesto what taxes would rise and what taxes wouldn't rise. They specifically mentioned working people and NI, Income tax and VAT. None of these have increased for working people. They have increased for business owners who do of course pay NI, but that's their business.
Black hole discussed. It was £22bn. It's just you lot can't do the sums.
1.5m homes achievable. Perhaps not. You do understand a target. Not meeting that target isn't necessary a fail.
Business confidence has taken a knock but, let's face it, the mess needs fixing so what's your solution?!
You’re playing Labour’s word game, what exactly is a “working person”?
Over 5 million small business owners with many of them taking a wage and employing others, yet their increased employer NI contributions don’t count as “working people” to Labour they just deserve to pay more.
Rachel Reeves admitted pay rises will slow down for workers because of the NI rise, right after handing £22 billion in above inflation public sector pay rises. Now, we face job losses and hiring freezes, with businesses big and small already cutting investment which trickles through to workers.
The housing target was always unrealistic, and now builders are pausing projects due to labour's demands on affordable housing yet another hit to workers. The positive was Rayner needed to stop with shouting at people, telling them they had no choice, can't say no, they are being built. It was embarrassing...
GB Energy? Billions will be wasted propping up unions, the same ones that hold the country to ransom. Miliband is being overruled by Reeves so what is going, left hand, right hand. It is a labour folly.
Gilt yields jumped after such a weak budget, and we all know Reeves will have to raise taxes and increase borrowing even she’s admitted as much.
And let’s not forget her stealth tax on ISAs, hitting workers who were encouraged to save.
Where was the plan, there wasn't one! All a big word play game and when it came down to it, the bottom fell out after 14 years of twiddling their thumbs.
As I said earlier the country deserves better than this.
It's not a word game. If it is, it's your side that is playing it. A business is a business. It's owner is an owner. Yes, they work. But the tax is on the business.
It really isn't difficult to understand. But, what we have seen is significant word twisting with everything Labour say. For example, Starmer didn't say that those protesting or those who have an issue with people arriving on boats were far right. But, RW stir it and the gullible are convinced Starmer was calling them far right.
The lies. Most of the "lies" are far from lies. A bit of editing or lack of context, and there is the lie. E.g. labour didn't say they would reduce energy by £400 of they got in. They didn't say they would freeze energy if they got it in.
If the country deserves better, what do you suggest?
So I own a micro business that I work for employees people that work for my business are you saying whin I go out on the tools as an electrical engineer I'm NOT working as I'm an Owner.
And now dose this work for self employed are they workers or not.
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"To me thins like this are best to see when yiu know someone's arrangements. Mut I know you would not want to tell the forum your on benifit. With level of English in that comment, I am surprised you have ever managed to secure a job! I am a top 10% earner. I hope that helps. And how much debt are you in including mortgage. lol We are at the 0 Debt point and about £1,0000,000 invested but as said the uk investment is about to move as labour might come looking for some of it. Feels like running for the hills. " Wtf?!? Why on earth would someone share such details online especially on a swingers site.  | |||
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"To me thins like this are best to see when yiu know someone's arrangements. Mut I know you would not want to tell the forum your on benifit. With level of English in that comment, I am surprised you have ever managed to secure a job! I am a top 10% earner. I hope that helps. Even Richard Branson is Dyslexic lol to be top 10% it's only over £73k the wife earns more than that So you are a kept man. Bless." No I earn more then her. | |||
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"To me thins like this are best to see when yiu know someone's arrangements. Mut I know you would not want to tell the forum your on benifit. With level of English in that comment, I am surprised you have ever managed to secure a job! I am a top 10% earner. I hope that helps. And how much debt are you in including mortgage. lol We are at the 0 Debt point and about £1,0000,000 invested but as said the uk investment is about to move as labour might come looking for some of it. Feels like running for the hills. Wtf?!? Why on earth would someone share such details online especially on a swingers site. "Because it dose not bother me. Them that are face less are the week ones. I'm Just open and honest. Hate all the ducking and diving. | |||
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"To me thins like this are best to see when yiu know someone's arrangements. Mut I know you would not want to tell the forum your on benifit. With level of English in that comment, I am surprised you have ever managed to secure a job! I am a top 10% earner. I hope that helps. And how much debt are you in including mortgage. lol We are at the 0 Debt point and about £1,0000,000 invested but as said the uk investment is about to move as labour might come looking for some of it. Feels like running for the hills. Wtf?!? Why on earth would someone share such details online especially on a swingers site.
Because it dose not bother me.
Them that are face less are the week ones. I'm Just open and honest. Hate all the ducking and diving. "Why on earth would you put yourself in a position where someone could black (word is banned) male you ??? | |||
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"To me thins like this are best to see when yiu know someone's arrangements. Mut I know you would not want to tell the forum your on benifit. With level of English in that comment, I am surprised you have ever managed to secure a job! I am a top 10% earner. I hope that helps. So to 10% so your in to high tax. Nowander yiu pissed off with labour wait till they put income tax up 2% as it is the thresholds have not moved and probably will not fore some time, stealth tax by inflation. " They can do that. As long as the SNP doesn't match it.  | |||
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Because it dose not bother me.
Them that are face less are the week ones. I'm Just open and honest. Hate all the ducking and diving.
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"To me thins like this are best to see when yiu know someone's arrangements. Mut I know you would not want to tell the forum your on benifit. With level of English in that comment, I am surprised you have ever managed to secure a job! I am a top 10% earner. I hope that helps. So to 10% so your in to high tax. Nowander yiu pissed off with labour wait till they put income tax up 2% as it is the thresholds have not moved and probably will not fore some time, stealth tax by inflation. They can do that. As long as the SNP doesn't match it. "Oh so you live in Scotland are the rules that different. | |||
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"To me thins like this are best to see when yiu know someone's arrangements. Mut I know you would not want to tell the forum your on benifit. With level of English in that comment, I am surprised you have ever managed to secure a job! I am a top 10% earner. I hope that helps. And how much debt are you in including mortgage. lol We are at the 0 Debt point and about £1,0000,000 invested but as said the uk investment is about to move as labour might come looking for some of it. Feels like running for the hills. Wtf?!? Why on earth would someone share such details online especially on a swingers site.
Because it dose not bother me.
Them that are face less are the week ones. I'm Just open and honest. Hate all the ducking and diving.
Why on earth would you put yourself in a position where someone could black (word is banned) male you ???
Go on how. Don't even have a face pick. "Through a meet. They meet with the sole intention of getting something on you. Understand? | |||
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"To me thins like this are best to see when yiu know someone's arrangements. Mut I know you would not want to tell the forum your on benifit. With level of English in that comment, I am surprised you have ever managed to secure a job! I am a top 10% earner. I hope that helps. So to 10% so your in to high tax. Nowander yiu pissed off with labour wait till they put income tax up 2% as it is the thresholds have not moved and probably will not fore some time, stealth tax by inflation. They can do that. As long as the SNP doesn't match it.
Oh so you live in Scotland are the rules that different. "SNP set the taxation rates. Currently, anyone earning above about £26k pays more tax. The higher rate kicks in at £43k rather than £50k. Also, it's 42p rather than 40p. Labour can't touch that. | |||
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"To me thins like this are best to see when yiu know someone's arrangements. Mut I know you would not want to tell the forum your on benifit. With level of English in that comment, I am surprised you have ever managed to secure a job! I am a top 10% earner. I hope that helps. And how much debt are you in including mortgage. lol We are at the 0 Debt point and about £1,0000,000 invested but as said the uk investment is about to move as labour might come looking for some of it. Feels like running for the hills. Wtf?!? Why on earth would someone share such details online especially on a swingers site.
Because it dose not bother me.
Them that are face less are the week ones. I'm Just open and honest. Hate all the ducking and diving. "Faceless? You mean not showing their faces like you and I? | |||
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"Should be ashamed if you voted liebour! Why would you admit to that? No shame in needing change. Labour = change? More like more of the same but everyone’s even poorer. You're one of those who expected instant change? No I expected what we’ve got. Economic stagnation and otherwise nothing aside from higher taxes. Grow up and answer the question. If Reform had got in or the Tories, would you have expected instant change? Well Trump has come in and made immediate change in the US, so why not here? Labour look like a rabbit frozen in the headlights.
If I had voted for Labour I would be deeply disappointed and gravely worried.
Backtrack to MayJune if I was thinking of voting for Labour, the change I would expect would be for good, not have them take the pee and laugh at us with their plans.
How have they laughed at you? What tangible changes were you expecting in 7 months?
When can we all anticipate these positive changes? Two months before the next General Election?
You will have seen some by then, yes.
Sure how sure are you of that.
If ISA's are TAXED and all £281billion is moved what will happen to the banking sector. It allready looks like Santander might pull out of the UK banking sector due to a down turn in profits.
I am fairly sure that we will see lower NHS waiting lists. I am sure we will see more illegals getting deported (already seen that).They were two big concerns from the public at the last election.
Santander?!
Keep up.
You've been brainwashed by the far left
What you don't think he is the far left.
Beats being brain dead and an easily manipulated right winger. Tbh, you probably aren't a right winger. You are just getting played.
If you want to talk about being easily manipulated.. What is your opinion on labour promising not to tax the working person and then taxing the working person? what is your opinion on 1.5 million new homes that will be delivered by forcing private building companies to build more affordable homes? Is that number achievable?
What is your opinion on Starmer and Reeves pledges that there will be no more tax rises, do you expect that to be true or not?
What is your opinion on business confidence being at an all time low, are they right to worry or not?
The imaginary 22 billion blackhole, why wont they allow a FOI to show how what the 22 billion comprises of?
All of the above and a lot more, could be said to have been labour manipulating the narrative for their own benefit, labour supporters will defend that with "14 years of mismanagement".
There can be no more missteps and no more lies, the country has had a terrible time of it over the last 10 years, they thought things were going to be dealt with better under this government, that has not been the case to date.
Have they still not revealed how the alleged £22 billion was calculated? I saw an interview involving a Senior OBR guy who was asked about this figure. He says there was around £9.5 billion of spending pressure that was not revealed to them. He explained that spending pressure is not the same as money that has to be spent but money that may possibly be required. When asked how Labour get to the £22 billion figure, he had no idea how they got to that. Was hoping this would have been resolved by now especially as it was used as justification of the budget increases.
To understand what the £22 billion black hole is referring to, you need to know that this money hasn't necessarily been spent, or will be from the point it was announced as being the case. It references a budget overspend that is money that could/should be spent from commitments made in plans that could have been committed to (usually law binding), of which these plans and proposals will no doubt have been made months or more likely years prior to 2024!
So it is difficult to provide hard evidence of something that hasn't happened yet, but is likely to happen in the future which makes it a burden.
The guy from the OBR had a similar explanation but confirmed it was for around £9.5 billion and does not know how Labour claim £22 billion. I would have thought if anyone would know it would be the OBR.
Experts aren't always right... otherwise you'd only need one in each field of expertise. Like the rest of us they have differing opinions
He is from the OBR who get to see the figures so not about opinion, it's actual figures. It is people who have the actual data but only can account for £9.5 billion and not £22 billion.
The £9.5bn is what wasn't declared by the previous government. The rest of the £22bn was declared around March 24. But, still an overspend and an amount Labour shouldn't have been in a position to have to deal with.
It's a £22bn black hole that needs plugging. Simple as that.
The interview with the OBR was late summer of 2024 so long after you claim the rest of the money/ spending was declared. Yet the OBR insist they have not calculated £22 billion and do not know how that figure was arrived at.
The borrowing figures for the first six months of the year they were already running £11bn higher than the OBR forecast in March. Add on the unaccounted spending of £9.4bn the OBR also identified that is the best part of £22bn.
That's £22bn the labour government needed to plug in the finances.
It really is that simple. "As mentioned the report is on actual figures not forecasted figures and they got to 9.5 billion. They simply had no explanation of how the remainder is claimed to exist. | |||
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"To me thins like this are best to see when yiu know someone's arrangements. Mut I know you would not want to tell the forum your on benifit. With level of English in that comment, I am surprised you have ever managed to secure a job! I am a top 10% earner. I hope that helps. And how much debt are you in including mortgage. lol We are at the 0 Debt point and about £1,0000,000 invested but as said the uk investment is about to move as labour might come looking for some of it. Feels like running for the hills. Wtf?!? Why on earth would someone share such details online especially on a swingers site.
Because it dose not bother me.
Them that are face less are the week ones. I'm Just open and honest. Hate all the ducking and diving.
Why on earth would you put yourself in a position where someone could black (word is banned) male you ???
Go on how. Don't even have a face pick.
Through a meet. They meet with the sole intention of getting something on you. Understand?"Been on 10 + years think I have meet 4 and know I don't accommodate. The wife works round the world we have an agreement. | |||
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"To me thins like this are best to see when yiu know someone's arrangements. Mut I know you would not want to tell the forum your on benifit. With level of English in that comment, I am surprised you have ever managed to secure a job! I am a top 10% earner. I hope that helps. So to 10% so your in to high tax. Nowander yiu pissed off with labour wait till they put income tax up 2% as it is the thresholds have not moved and probably will not fore some time, stealth tax by inflation. They can do that. As long as the SNP doesn't match it.
Oh so you live in Scotland are the rules that different.
SNP set the taxation rates. Currently, anyone earning above about £26k pays more tax. The higher rate kicks in at £43k rather than £50k. Also, it's 42p rather than 40p.
Labour can't touch that."It's not that much diferant. I just don't like giving my cash to a poor government. Hence limited company. But that is being leveled up.. | |||
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"To me thins like this are best to see when yiu know someone's arrangements. Mut I know you would not want to tell the forum your on benifit. With level of English in that comment, I am surprised you have ever managed to secure a job! I am a top 10% earner. I hope that helps. So to 10% so your in to high tax. Nowander yiu pissed off with labour wait till they put income tax up 2% as it is the thresholds have not moved and probably will not fore some time, stealth tax by inflation. They can do that. As long as the SNP doesn't match it.
Oh so you live in Scotland are the rules that different.
SNP set the taxation rates. Currently, anyone earning above about £26k pays more tax. The higher rate kicks in at £43k rather than £50k. Also, it's 42p rather than 40p.
Labour can't touch that.
It's not that much diferant.
I just don't like giving my cash to a poor government. Hence limited company. But that is being leveled up.. ""wait till they put income tax up 2%"...you say as though we should be concerned. However, when I point out that Scotland rates are higher, you respond with "it's not that much different"
Someone earning 50k in England who sees tax up by 2% pays about £800 more. Someone on 50k in Scotland pays about £1600 more.
Not that much different eh?! | |||
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"To me thins like this are best to see when yiu know someone's arrangements. Mut I know you would not want to tell the forum your on benifit. With level of English in that comment, I am surprised you have ever managed to secure a job! I am a top 10% earner. I hope that helps. So to 10% so your in to high tax. Nowander yiu pissed off with labour wait till they put income tax up 2% as it is the thresholds have not moved and probably will not fore some time, stealth tax by inflation. They can do that. As long as the SNP doesn't match it.
Oh so you live in Scotland are the rules that different.
SNP set the taxation rates. Currently, anyone earning above about £26k pays more tax. The higher rate kicks in at £43k rather than £50k. Also, it's 42p rather than 40p.
Labour can't touch that.
It's not that much diferant.
I just don't like giving my cash to a poor government. Hence limited company. But that is being leveled up..
"wait till they put income tax up 2%"...you say as though we should be concerned.
However, when I point out that Scotland rates are higher, you respond with "it's not that much different"
Someone earning 50k in England who sees tax up by 2% pays about £800 more. Someone on 50k in Scotland pays about £1600 more.
Not that much different eh?! "Then move not hard. | |||
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"To me thins like this are best to see when yiu know someone's arrangements. Mut I know you would not want to tell the forum your on benifit. With level of English in that comment, I am surprised you have ever managed to secure a job! I am a top 10% earner. I hope that helps. So to 10% so your in to high tax. Nowander yiu pissed off with labour wait till they put income tax up 2% as it is the thresholds have not moved and probably will not fore some time, stealth tax by inflation. They can do that. As long as the SNP doesn't match it.
Oh so you live in Scotland are the rules that different.
SNP set the taxation rates. Currently, anyone earning above about £26k pays more tax. The higher rate kicks in at £43k rather than £50k. Also, it's 42p rather than 40p.
Labour can't touch that.
It's not that much diferant.
I just don't like giving my cash to a poor government. Hence limited company. But that is being leveled up..
"wait till they put income tax up 2%"...you say as though we should be concerned.
However, when I point out that Scotland rates are higher, you respond with "it's not that much different"
Someone earning 50k in England who sees tax up by 2% pays about £800 more. Someone on 50k in Scotland pays about £1600 more.
Not that much different eh?! "How have you worked out those figures? | |||
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"To me thins like this are best to see when yiu know someone's arrangements. Mut I know you would not want to tell the forum your on benifit. With level of English in that comment, I am surprised you have ever managed to secure a job! I am a top 10% earner. I hope that helps. So to 10% so your in to high tax. Nowander yiu pissed off with labour wait till they put income tax up 2% as it is the thresholds have not moved and probably will not fore some time, stealth tax by inflation. They can do that. As long as the SNP doesn't match it.
Oh so you live in Scotland are the rules that different.
SNP set the taxation rates. Currently, anyone earning above about £26k pays more tax. The higher rate kicks in at £43k rather than £50k. Also, it's 42p rather than 40p.
Labour can't touch that.
It's not that much diferant.
I just don't like giving my cash to a poor government. Hence limited company. But that is being leveled up..
"wait till they put income tax up 2%"...you say as though we should be concerned.
However, when I point out that Scotland rates are higher, you respond with "it's not that much different"
Someone earning 50k in England who sees tax up by 2% pays about £800 more. Someone on 50k in Scotland pays about £1600 more.
Not that much different eh?!
Then move not hard. "I am not complaining! I am just pointing out your contradiction but nice try on deflecting | |||
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"To me thins like this are best to see when yiu know someone's arrangements. Mut I know you would not want to tell the forum your on benifit. With level of English in that comment, I am surprised you have ever managed to secure a job! I am a top 10% earner. I hope that helps. So to 10% so your in to high tax. Nowander yiu pissed off with labour wait till they put income tax up 2% as it is the thresholds have not moved and probably will not fore some time, stealth tax by inflation. They can do that. As long as the SNP doesn't match it.
Oh so you live in Scotland are the rules that different.
SNP set the taxation rates. Currently, anyone earning above about £26k pays more tax. The higher rate kicks in at £43k rather than £50k. Also, it's 42p rather than 40p.
Labour can't touch that.
It's not that much diferant.
I just don't like giving my cash to a poor government. Hence limited company. But that is being leveled up..
"wait till they put income tax up 2%"...you say as though we should be concerned.
However, when I point out that Scotland rates are higher, you respond with "it's not that much different"
Someone earning 50k in England who sees tax up by 2% pays about £800 more. Someone on 50k in Scotland pays about £1600 more.
Not that much different eh?!
How have you worked out those figures? "Well, for £7000 (£43k - 50k) Scottish residents are paying 42p rather than 20p so 22p more. 7000 * 22 = £1540. | |||
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"To me thins like this are best to see when yiu know someone's arrangements. Mut I know you would not want to tell the forum your on benifit. With level of English in that comment, I am surprised you have ever managed to secure a job! I am a top 10% earner. I hope that helps. So to 10% so your in to high tax. Nowander yiu pissed off with labour wait till they put income tax up 2% as it is the thresholds have not moved and probably will not fore some time, stealth tax by inflation. They can do that. As long as the SNP doesn't match it.
Oh so you live in Scotland are the rules that different.
SNP set the taxation rates. Currently, anyone earning above about £26k pays more tax. The higher rate kicks in at £43k rather than £50k. Also, it's 42p rather than 40p.
Labour can't touch that.
It's not that much diferant.
I just don't like giving my cash to a poor government. Hence limited company. But that is being leveled up..
"wait till they put income tax up 2%"...you say as though we should be concerned.
However, when I point out that Scotland rates are higher, you respond with "it's not that much different"
Someone earning 50k in England who sees tax up by 2% pays about £800 more. Someone on 50k in Scotland pays about £1600 more.
Not that much different eh?!
How have you worked out those figures?
Well, for £7000 (£43k - 50k) Scottish residents are paying 42p rather than 20p so 22p more. 7000 * 22 = £1540."But up to £14,877 you get tax free We pay from £12,570 we'll some do, if you can't work a way round it. | |||
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"Get tories out. Yep, got exactly what I voted for." If Liebour haven’t yet fkd you dry then fear not, your turn will come, and yes I admit the tories didn’t do a great job. | |||
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"Get tories out. Yep, got exactly what I voted for." And there lies the problem. The last Conservative government was probably the most inept government of my lifetime. Maybe Callaghan's disaster in the late 70's would run them close but yes, they were that bad. That's from a lifelong Tory BTW. But I can see this Labour government taking that crown by a country mile. People quite understandably voted the Tory's out. Problem was that no-one looked closely enough at the alternative. This lot are absolutely clueless and all the signs were there well before July. Frying pan into fire methinks. | |||
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"Get tories out. Yep, got exactly what I voted for. And there lies the problem. The last Conservative government was probably the most inept government of my lifetime. Maybe Callaghan's disaster in the late 70's would run them close but yes, they were that bad. That's from a lifelong Tory BTW. But I can see this Labour government taking that crown by a country mile. People quite understandably voted the Tory's out. Problem was that no-one looked closely enough at the alternative. This lot are absolutely clueless and all the signs were there well before July. Frying pan into fire methinks." And now inflation forecast now up to 3.75% will this hold interest or will this now go up. | |||
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"Get tories out. Yep, got exactly what I voted for. And there lies the problem. The last Conservative government was probably the most inept government of my lifetime. Maybe Callaghan's disaster in the late 70's would run them close but yes, they were that bad. That's from a lifelong Tory BTW. But I can see this Labour government taking that crown by a country mile. People quite understandably voted the Tory's out. Problem was that no-one looked closely enough at the alternative. This lot are absolutely clueless and all the signs were there well before July. Frying pan into fire methinks." . | |||
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"Get tories out. Yep, got exactly what I voted for. And there lies the problem. The last Conservative government was probably the most inept government of my lifetime. Maybe Callaghan's disaster in the late 70's would run them close but yes, they were that bad. That's from a lifelong Tory BTW. But I can see this Labour government taking that crown by a country mile. People quite understandably voted the Tory's out. Problem was that no-one looked closely enough at the alternative. This lot are absolutely clueless and all the signs were there well before July. Frying pan into fire methinks." And on top of that billions to be paid out to the Infected blood claims. And then more to post masters all at a time that the UK is so far in Debt. The cash now has to come from someware. | |||
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"If you voted for Labour you must be soft in the head - full stop" Wahoo | |||
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"If you voted for Labour you must be soft in the head - full stop" Thanks for your diagnosis. | |||
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