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"Are you following events with our friends in Deutschland ? What outcome are you expecting or hoping for in the forthcoming national elections ? CDU or SPD ? Greens or Afd ? Or more coalition chaos 🙈" Looking like the AFD will get a reasonable amount of the vote but as others say, the other parties will not have them in a coalition. Unfortunately this can lead to coalitions forming from parties that do not get on and opposed on many topics, leading to the collapse of government and then the cycle repeats. | |||
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"Are you following events with our friends in Deutschland ? What outcome are you expecting or hoping for in the forthcoming national elections ? CDU or SPD ? Greens or Afd ? Or more coalition chaos 🙈 Looking like the AFD will get a reasonable amount of the vote but as others say, the other parties will not have them in a coalition. Unfortunately this can lead to coalitions forming from parties that do not get on and opposed on many topics, leading to the collapse of government and then the cycle repeats." I think at some point Afd will enter a coalition. Will mean them purging their lunatic fringe but the numbers are on their side. | |||
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"What I hope for and what I think will happen are two separate things. I hope for a stable centrist coalition. I doubt that will happen. What I think will happen is that the AfD vote will slowly increase and it will continue increasing for as long as the rest of the parties contort themselves into untenable positions to keep them away from power. These unstable coalitions only undermine the credibility of the non AfD parties and make the far right look increasingly like a credible opposition. Eventually that dam will break and they will get into power. And they might well do it with a majority caused by the discontent with the rest of the system - keeping them away from the levers of power might well give them untrammeled access to the levers of power." Very well put, if rather concerning. | |||
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"I think at some point Afd will enter a coalition. Will mean them purging their lunatic fringe but the numbers are on their side." That purge will be a minimum requirement for a coalition. The sooner they do it, the better. | |||
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"Another terrorist attack by Afghan Asylum seeker, this time in Munich. "What has so enraged this doctor or engineer? Must be anger at the rise of the Far Right. | |||
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"Another terrorist attack by Afghan Asylum seeker, this time in Munich.
What has so enraged this doctor or engineer?
Must be anger at the rise of the Far Right. "Indeed. The previous car terrorist attack seems to have been quickly scrubbed from the news. | |||
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"Another terrorist attack by Afghan Asylum seeker, this time in Munich.
What has so enraged this doctor or engineer?
Must be anger at the rise of the Far Right. "His Asylum application was rejected | |||
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"Another terrorist attack by Afghan Asylum seeker, this time in Munich. "Almost as chilling as the Afghan nurse controversy in Australia at the moment. It's a shame when guests in a country won't play nicely with the locals, it encourages all sorts of noxious politics, even when cases are isolated. | |||
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"Are you following events with our friends in Deutschland ? What outcome are you expecting or hoping for in the forthcoming national elections ? CDU or SPD ? Greens or Afd ? Or more coalition chaos 🙈" More coalition chaos I'm afraid. SPD (think Labour) are bolloxed, looking like 16/17% so Scholtz is history. FDP (think Lib Dems) are even worse. On current polling they will be lucky to break the 5% threshold so likely no MP's at all. Die Linke (hard left) and Sahra Wagenknecht (also hard left) are polling around 5% each so may just scrape a handful of MP's but could also get none. CDU/CSU (think Conservative) are leading the polls with around 30% so will almost certainly be the biggest party. The Greens have dipped a bit since the last election but are still around 12%. Then there is AfD polling at just over 20% and likely to be the 2nd party. Now the fun begins. At 30% CDU/CSU will have to do a deal with someone but neither SPD or the Greens would be able to top them up to 50% so it will mean a deal with both. These are the two party's that have been the backbone of the disastrous, now collapsed, last government and CDU voters would never forgive them if they sold out just for political expediency. So that leaves AfD hovering in the wings. A 30% CDU and a 21/22% AfD would make over 50% and Germany would have a government. CDU may not like it and they may now say that they would never do it. But sometimes real politic comes into play. Fasten your seatbelts, it's gonna be a bumpy ride. | |||
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"Another terrorist attack by Afghan Asylum seeker, this time in Munich.
What has so enraged this doctor or engineer?
Must be anger at the rise of the Far Right.
Indeed. The previous car terrorist attack seems to have been quickly scrubbed from the news."In Germany it hardly made the news at all. Very quickly brushed under the carpet. | |||
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"Oh he was also on the terror watch list " So failed asylum claim and known to the police as a potential problem, begs the question what was he still doing in Germany. Should he not have been deported? | |||
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"German post terror attack plan released: Organise vigil (One Love or something) Invite Muslim “Community Leaders” to talk about how Islam is a religion of peace so there’s nothing to worry about Politicians to visit mosques to qualm any safety concerns they may have Phone the press and ask them to talk about something else (suggest another Trump week) Talk about hate speech a lot and jail a few people for spouting off online Blame Elon Musk Ban the “Far Right” from standing in any elections to save democracy File post terror attack plan somewhere convenient so it’s ready for next week/month. " yup that sounds about right the usual playbook | |||
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"Another terrorist attack by Afghan Asylum seeker, this time in Munich.
Almost as chilling as the Afghan nurse controversy in Australia at the moment.
It's a shame when guests in a country won't play nicely with the locals, it encourages all sorts of noxious politics, even when cases are isolated."You look at the Arab nations. They make it clear to the immigrants that they are just guests in the country. They are expected to respect local culture. They have to reapply for visa every two years. You don't follow the laws, you are done. Compare that to the European system where murderers and rapists won't even get deported because.... "Human rights".. Why would anyone respect the local people? | |||
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"Polls are sometimes off and I think AfD will do better than polls suggest, I imagine with each terror attack there vote increases. But then are they that far right, The female leader is married to a female migrant from Asia I think?" I think they will do better than expected. | |||
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"Polls are sometimes off and I think AfD will do better than polls suggest, I imagine with each terror attack there vote increases. But then are they that far right, The female leader is married to a female migrant from Asia I think? I think they will do better than expected." That seems to be the general consensus in Germany. There is talk about people being a bit coy about admitting voting for AfD but when it comes to the crunch they will. Also turnout and voter motivation will come into play. Many SPD/Green voters will tell the pollsters who they will vote for but will they get off their backsides on the day? AfD voters are very motivated and I expect they will turn out in big numbers. Although I am a German resident I do not have a vote in this one. Mrs is German and will vote AfD as will all of her family and most of our German friends. | |||
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"Oh he was also on the terror watch list So failed asylum claim and known to the police as a potential problem, begs the question what was he still doing in Germany. Should he not have been deported?" Of course he should have been deported and a long time ago. One of the reasons the left leaning SPD/Green/FDP government collapsed was because of the lack of deportations. | |||
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"German post terror attack plan released: Organise vigil (One Love or something) Invite Muslim “Community Leaders” to talk about how Islam is a religion of peace so there’s nothing to worry about Politicians to visit mosques to qualm any safety concerns they may have Phone the press and ask them to talk about something else (suggest another Trump week) Talk about hate speech a lot and jail a few people for spouting off online Blame Elon Musk Ban the “Far Right” from standing in any elections to save democracy File post terror attack plan somewhere convenient so it’s ready for next week/month. " My first thought was to laugh at that. The irony is that all of the best jokes have a ring of truth in there somewhere. Reading it a second time, it's not quite as funny. Far too close to the truth. | |||
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"German post terror attack plan released: Organise vigil (One Love or something) Invite Muslim “Community Leaders” to talk about how Islam is a religion of peace so there’s nothing to worry about Politicians to visit mosques to qualm any safety concerns they may have Phone the press and ask them to talk about something else (suggest another Trump week) Talk about hate speech a lot and jail a few people for spouting off online Blame Elon Musk Ban the “Far Right” from standing in any elections to save democracy File post terror attack plan somewhere convenient so it’s ready for next week/month. " As Buck demonstrates here, AfD will have a huge boner for this terror attack. They can use it to their advantage in the polls. Let's hope Germans have more sense than the Americans and don't fall for the populist far right nonsense. | |||
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"German post terror attack plan released: Organise vigil (One Love or something) Invite Muslim “Community Leaders” to talk about how Islam is a religion of peace so there’s nothing to worry about Politicians to visit mosques to qualm any safety concerns they may have Phone the press and ask them to talk about something else (suggest another Trump week) Talk about hate speech a lot and jail a few people for spouting off online Blame Elon Musk Ban the “Far Right” from standing in any elections to save democracy File post terror attack plan somewhere convenient so it’s ready for next week/month. As Buck demonstrates here, AfD will have a huge boner for this terror attack. They can use it to their advantage in the polls. Let's hope Germans have more sense than the Americans and don't fall for the populist far right nonsense. " How should the left in Germany counter the AfD advantage of this terror attack? | |||
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"Are you following events with our friends in Deutschland ? What outcome are you expecting or hoping for in the forthcoming national elections ? CDU or SPD ? Greens or Afd ? Or more coalition chaos 🙈 More coalition chaos I'm afraid. SPD (think Labour) are bolloxed, looking like 16/17% so Scholtz is history. FDP (think Lib Dems) are even worse. On current polling they will be lucky to break the 5% threshold so likely no MP's at all. Die Linke (hard left) and Sahra Wagenknecht (also hard left) are polling around 5% each so may just scrape a handful of MP's but could also get none. CDU/CSU (think Conservative) are leading the polls with around 30% so will almost certainly be the biggest party. The Greens have dipped a bit since the last election but are still around 12%. Then there is AfD polling at just over 20% and likely to be the 2nd party. Now the fun begins. At 30% CDU/CSU will have to do a deal with someone but neither SPD or the Greens would be able to top them up to 50% so it will mean a deal with both. These are the two party's that have been the backbone of the disastrous, now collapsed, last government and CDU voters would never forgive them if they sold out just for political expediency. So that leaves AfD hovering in the wings. A 30% CDU and a 21/22% AfD would make over 50% and Germany would have a government. CDU may not like it and they may now say that they would never do it. But sometimes real politic comes into play. Fasten your seatbelts, it's gonna be a bumpy ride. " I think Afd will need to do some serious housekeeping of their lunatic fringe but they're becoming too big to ignore for future coalitions. Maybe not this time but a CDU/Spd fudge Govt won't last long. I think Afd will be in Govt within 5 years. | |||
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"German post terror attack plan released: Organise vigil (One Love or something) Invite Muslim “Community Leaders” to talk about how Islam is a religion of peace so there’s nothing to worry about Politicians to visit mosques to qualm any safety concerns they may have Phone the press and ask them to talk about something else (suggest another Trump week) Talk about hate speech a lot and jail a few people for spouting off online Blame Elon Musk Ban the “Far Right” from standing in any elections to save democracy File post terror attack plan somewhere convenient so it’s ready for next week/month. As Buck demonstrates here, AfD will have a huge boner for this terror attack. They can use it to their advantage in the polls. Let's hope Germans have more sense than the Americans and don't fall for the populist far right nonsense. " Yes can add another item to the plan. “Enlist Leftist online trolls to talk up dangers of Far Right and generally deflect attention”. | |||
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"German post terror attack plan released: Organise vigil (One Love or something) Invite Muslim “Community Leaders” to talk about how Islam is a religion of peace so there’s nothing to worry about Politicians to visit mosques to qualm any safety concerns they may have Phone the press and ask them to talk about something else (suggest another Trump week) Talk about hate speech a lot and jail a few people for spouting off online Blame Elon Musk Ban the “Far Right” from standing in any elections to save democracy File post terror attack plan somewhere convenient so it’s ready for next week/month. As Buck demonstrates here, AfD will have a huge boner for this terror attack. They can use it to their advantage in the polls. Let's hope Germans have more sense than the Americans and don't fall for the populist far right nonsense. How should the left in Germany counter the AfD advantage of this terror attack?" I don't think it's the responsibility of "the left" to be the only bastions of understanding, and comprehension of the world around us. | |||
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"Oh he was also on the terror watch list So failed asylum claim and known to the police as a potential problem, begs the question what was he still doing in Germany. Should he not have been deported?" Of course he should have been deported but it seems EU countries have an issue deporting these people | |||
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"Oh he was also on the terror watch list So failed asylum claim and known to the police as a potential problem, begs the question what was he still doing in Germany. Should he not have been deported? Of course he should have been deported but it seems EU countries have an issue deporting these people " He'd been refused asylum but allowed to stay and work anyway 🤦♂️ | |||
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"Oh he was also on the terror watch list So failed asylum claim and known to the police as a potential problem, begs the question what was he still doing in Germany. Should he not have been deported? Of course he should have been deported but it seems EU countries have an issue deporting these people He'd been refused asylum but allowed to stay and work anyway 🤦♂️" That's bonkers allowing him to both stay and work. Looks like innocent people have paid for such decisions | |||
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"Meanwhile some guy in London got stabbed for burning Quran. A couple of months back, someone in Manchester was arrested for burning Quran. And people still ask us with a straight face - "Why is Reform getting more followers? Why is fAr rIgHt rising? Are these people racist or something?"" There's probably places in America where burning the bible might get one shot, not saying violence is a solution to such acts but why do people think it's acceptable to burn any of the 'holy books'..? If anyone digs down into them they've all got stuff which by today's standards are well wrong I know.. | |||
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"Oh he was also on the terror watch list So failed asylum claim and known to the police as a potential problem, begs the question what was he still doing in Germany. Should he not have been deported? Of course he should have been deported but it seems EU countries have an issue deporting these people He'd been refused asylum but allowed to stay and work anyway 🤦♂️" That's a mess.. Not very German at all.. | |||
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"Meanwhile some guy in London got stabbed for burning Quran. A couple of months back, someone in Manchester was arrested for burning Quran. And people still ask us with a straight face - "Why is Reform getting more followers? Why is fAr rIgHt rising? Are these people racist or something?" There's probably places in America where burning the bible might get one shot, not saying violence is a solution to such acts but why do people think it's acceptable to burn any of the 'holy books'..? If anyone digs down into them they've all got stuff which by today's standards are well wrong I know.. " Can you show an example of someone being shot recently for burning a bible? As for acceptability of burning holy books, people do it for various reasons. These reasons may not make sense to you but may make sense for the person who burns it. In India, people belonging to a certain oppressed caste burn a specific Hindu holybook which was the root of caste system to show their hatred to its content. A gay person who had his life endangered in Islamic countries and escaped to the West could show his angst by burning the holy book. End of the day, it's about individual freedom of expression. You and I may not like what they do. But they have the right to do it. | |||
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"Meanwhile some guy in London got stabbed for burning Quran. A couple of months back, someone in Manchester was arrested for burning Quran. And people still ask us with a straight face - "Why is Reform getting more followers? Why is fAr rIgHt rising? Are these people racist or something?" There's probably places in America where burning the bible might get one shot, not saying violence is a solution to such acts but why do people think it's acceptable to burn any of the 'holy books'..? If anyone digs down into them they've all got stuff which by today's standards are well wrong I know.. Can you show an example of someone being shot recently for burning a bible? As for acceptability of burning holy books, people do it for various reasons. These reasons may not make sense to you but may make sense for the person who burns it. In India, people belonging to a certain oppressed caste burn a specific Hindu holybook which was the root of caste system to show their hatred to its content. A gay person who had his life endangered in Islamic countries and escaped to the West could show his angst by burning the holy book. End of the day, it's about individual freedom of expression. You and I may not like what they do. But they have the right to do it." I clearly said might.. I never said they don't have the right, I question why it's necessary and I personally don't believe it is in order for someone to disagree with it or point out inaccuracies etc.. And with any 'right' to act in a deeply offensive and provocative way to others be that book burning etc there is inevitably a response that one might not welcome.. | |||
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"Meanwhile some guy in London got stabbed for burning Quran. A couple of months back, someone in Manchester was arrested for burning Quran. And people still ask us with a straight face - "Why is Reform getting more followers? Why is fAr rIgHt rising? Are these people racist or something?" There's probably places in America where burning the bible might get one shot, not saying violence is a solution to such acts but why do people think it's acceptable to burn any of the 'holy books'..? If anyone digs down into them they've all got stuff which by today's standards are well wrong I know.. Can you show an example of someone being shot recently for burning a bible? As for acceptability of burning holy books, people do it for various reasons. These reasons may not make sense to you but may make sense for the person who burns it. In India, people belonging to a certain oppressed caste burn a specific Hindu holybook which was the root of caste system to show their hatred to its content. A gay person who had his life endangered in Islamic countries and escaped to the West could show his angst by burning the holy book. End of the day, it's about individual freedom of expression. You and I may not like what they do. But they have the right to do it. I clearly said might.. I never said they don't have the right, I question why it's necessary and I personally don't believe it is in order for someone to disagree with it or point out inaccuracies etc.. And with any 'right' to act in a deeply offensive and provocative way to others be that book burning etc there is inevitably a response that one might not welcome.. " Lots of stuff that happens in the pride parade are deeply offensive to others. If someone decides to attack the people in parade, will you be saying the same statement? If someone responds violently to a book burning, it's the duty of the state to throw the violent person in the prison and throw away the keys. But unfortunately, the UK police arrest the person who burned a book. | |||
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