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"Certainly will not pay to be fed propaganda by the BBC ,bought and paid for by the EU ,Bill Gates etc." Shocked to hear that the EU and Bill Gates control the BBC We need to take back control! | |||
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" I would much prefer it if the BBC's funding was taken from Taxes to stop the constant bickering about the cost. Saying "I never watch the BBC so won't pay" is like saying "I never use the M4 so I am not paying my full car exercise duty." It is a Receiving Licence. If you have the ability to receive, you pay. Just like you have the ability to travel on the M4 should you want to. " The better example would be its like being forced to pay a road fund licence if you had a car that you only used on your own land and never used the roads. If you’re not using the service you should have to pay. I boned off my licence years back as even though technically my TV could get live service I never used it. The way media is consumed has drastically changed. | |||
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"The BBC did a survey of younger people,asking what BBC radio they listened to.The survey was "buried",as the majority didn't even have a radio,let alone listen to the BBC." The BBC runs regular surveys on radio audiences, and the results are publicly available. Look up RAJAR if you want to see the results. | |||
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"Just read an article about how the Government want to help bail out the ailing BBC by forcing non licence payers to pay the licence fee if they use streaming services such as Netflix, Disney plus, etc. I for one don't pay for a TV licence as I do not watch or record live TV, nor do I use BBCiplayer. I only watch films and shows on these streaming platforms and get my news on YouTube channels. Why should anyone be forced to pay for something they do not use ? Isn't it about time the BBC started showing ads and paying their own way like all the other channels ? " The tv licence fees fund the BBC but the fee is a tax on the equipment being used, extending it to streaming services is going to be difficult to enforce if not impossible I would have thought. Every internet enabled mobile phone user would potentially need a licence for example. | |||
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"The tv licence fees fund the BBC but the fee is a tax on the equipment being used, extending it to streaming services is going to be difficult to enforce if not impossible I would have thought. Every internet enabled mobile phone user would potentially need a licence for example. " In Germany they have the Rundfunkbeitrag which is their equivalent of the TV Licence. It's levied on every fixed internet connection, so it's simple to implement and it covers all streaming. It doesn't cover mobile phones, but how many people have a mobile and no home internet connection? | |||
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"The tv licence fees fund the BBC but the fee is a tax on the equipment being used, extending it to streaming services is going to be difficult to enforce if not impossible I would have thought. Every internet enabled mobile phone user would potentially need a licence for example. In Germany they have the Rundfunkbeitrag which is their equivalent of the TV Licence. It's levied on every fixed internet connection, so it's simple to implement and it covers all streaming. It doesn't cover mobile phones, but how many people have a mobile and no home internet connection?" I didn't know that about Germany 
The first thing that springs to mind is the licence covers the home address, and because we here in the UK are superb at making things difficult to understand, mobile usage complicates the situation. If you watch services on a mobile phone outside the property via the battery you are covered, go somewhere and plug it in to the mains and you need a licence. But that would not come into play if you were watching streaming as per the OP, I guess it would now.
The more I think about it the more I'm starting to disagree with the concept of an ongoing charge to own equipment that can receive broadcasts..... | |||
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"The original purpose of the BBC was to inform, educate and entertain. This also encompassed a public information service in times of Crisis. You cannot suddenly set these things up overnight and you cannot guarantee a commercial operator would be there when needed. I would much prefer it if the BBC's funding was taken from Taxes to stop the constant bickering about the cost. Saying "I never watch the BBC so won't pay" is like saying "I never use the M4 so I am not paying my full car exercise duty." It is a Receiving Licence. If you have the ability to receive, you pay. Just like you have the ability to travel on the M4 should you want to. " Saying "I never watch the BBC so won't pay" is like saying "I never use the M4 so I am not paying my full car exercise duty." ??? What a strange assessment. I pay my vehicle duty because it's a thing I use and need. I don't use or need the BBC for my viewing pleasure, so why should I stump up money for some government biased dinosaur corporation I have absolutely no need for ? As for wanting the taxpayer to fund them....really ??? Because we really don't pay enough taxes in this country do we ? 🙄 Also it has absolutely nothing to do with the cost for me but I would rather hand over £174 ( or whatever it is ) per year for something i use than something I don't!!! | |||
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"Just read an article about how the Government want to help bail out the ailing BBC by forcing non licence payers to pay the licence fee if they use streaming services such as Netflix, Disney plus, etc. I for one don't pay for a TV licence as I do not watch or record live TV, nor do I use BBCiplayer. I only watch films and shows on these streaming platforms and get my news on YouTube channels. Why should anyone be forced to pay for something they do not use ? Isn't it about time the BBC started showing ads and paying their own way like all the other channels ? " This has annoyed me immensely! I wonder if it's a test water scenario and because there's already so much backlash, Netflix won't want to lose their revenue....? | |||
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"Saying "I never watch the BBC so won't pay" is like saying "I never use the M4 so I am not paying my full car exercise duty." ??? What a strange assessment. I pay my vehicle duty because it's a thing I use and need. I don't use or need the BBC for my viewing pleasure, so why should I stump up money for some government biased dinosaur corporation I have absolutely no need for ?" So you are happy to pay car tax, because you use a car. But you won't pay for a TV licence, even though you use a TV. How does that work? | |||
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"Saying "I never watch the BBC so won't pay" is like saying "I never use the M4 so I am not paying my full car exercise duty." ??? What a strange assessment. I pay my vehicle duty because it's a thing I use and need. I don't use or need the BBC for my viewing pleasure, so why should I stump up money for some government biased dinosaur corporation I have absolutely no need for ? So you are happy to pay car tax, because you use a car. But you won't pay for a TV licence, even though you use a TV. How does that work?" I'm also confused by this comment. Though I wonder if it's two that have merged together? | |||
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"Saying "I never watch the BBC so won't pay" is like saying "I never use the M4 so I am not paying my full car exercise duty." ??? What a strange assessment. I pay my vehicle duty because it's a thing I use and need. I don't use or need the BBC for my viewing pleasure, so why should I stump up money for some government biased dinosaur corporation I have absolutely no need for ? So you are happy to pay car tax, because you use a car. But you won't pay for a TV licence, even though you use a TV. How does that work?" You can own as many TV's as you like and you do not need a TV licence for them. You only need a license if you watch live TV and/or BBC's iPlayer. This is the reason for this post. So many people are watching streaming services without buying a license - perfectly legally - and they'd quite like to change that. But people are resistant to that idea of course. | |||
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"The OP's use of the word "ailing" is the key point to this whole question. The license fee was introduced in the 20th century when there was only terrestrial channels available so, to be fair, it made sense. It was the way of funding an ad free service. But circa 2025 the world is a very different place and technology, and thus people's viewing habits, have changed vastly. Its basically made the license fee model redundant. The complexity over whether you need a TV license to just watch YouTube (a whole post unto itself) is ample proof of this. In a free market capitalist system model the only solution is to change the license into a subscription a la Sky or Netflix or whatever. But the powers that be are acutely aware the BBC business model is not financially viable (in in its present state/format) and would likely not get enough subscribers for it to continue. The main desire to keep the BBC intact as we know it is from such as the main political parties who need a "mainstream" media to promote their election campaigns and the like. Like grains of sand in the pain of your hand they are well aware the sand in flowing out faster and faster so they are squeezing tighter in an - is it safe to say already futile - attempt to stop this. The biggest factor in all of this though is younger people. The millennials do not have the "nostalgia" or brand loyalty the BBC and its champions crave and that is their main issue they may not be able to overcome. " Yep! Exactly this. When I look at the Beeb and its TV license today I just see Kodak and Borders and Woolworths. Great at their time but times move on. | |||
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"Saying "I never watch the BBC so won't pay" is like saying "I never use the M4 so I am not paying my full car exercise duty." ??? What a strange assessment. I pay my vehicle duty because it's a thing I use and need. I don't use or need the BBC for my viewing pleasure, so why should I stump up money for some government biased dinosaur corporation I have absolutely no need for ? So you are happy to pay car tax, because you use a car. But you won't pay for a TV licence, even though you use a TV. How does that work?" I'll tell you how it works. Now read carefully. I DO NOT watch or record any live TV channels whether it be BBC, ITV, Ch4, Sky or any of the others because i do not need them. I also do not use BBCiplayer so I do not need a TV license. You don't need a TV licence just to own a TV. I do however use a car daily so I'm more than happy to pay my vehicle tax for something i use and need. Hope this clears things up for you. | |||
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"Just read an article about how the Government want to help bail out the ailing BBC by forcing non licence payers to pay the licence fee if they use streaming services such as Netflix, Disney plus, etc. I for one don't pay for a TV licence as I do not watch or record live TV, nor do I use BBCiplayer. I only watch films and shows on these streaming platforms and get my news on YouTube channels. Why should anyone be forced to pay for something they do not use ? Isn't it about time the BBC started showing ads and paying their own way like all the other channels ? This has annoyed me immensely! I wonder if it's a test water scenario and because there's already so much backlash, Netflix won't want to lose their revenue....?" It's not just Netflix either you have Disney plus, Apple TV, Paramount, Amazon prime and more, all paid for by subscribers. Surely they'll lose customers and money if the government go through with this ? | |||
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"Just read an article about how the Government want to help bail out the ailing BBC by forcing non licence payers to pay the licence fee if they use streaming services such as Netflix, Disney plus, etc. I for one don't pay for a TV licence as I do not watch or record live TV, nor do I use BBCiplayer. I only watch films and shows on these streaming platforms and get my news on YouTube channels. Why should anyone be forced to pay for something they do not use ? Isn't it about time the BBC started showing ads and paying their own way like all the other channels ? This has annoyed me immensely! I wonder if it's a test water scenario and because there's already so much backlash, Netflix won't want to lose their revenue....? It's not just Netflix either you have Disney plus, Apple TV, Paramount, Amazon prime and more, all paid for by subscribers. Surely they'll lose customers and money if the government go through with this ?" I can see all maner of legal battle over this, like I said if the government forces you to have a licence to stream, surly the stream say Netflix, they would be entitled to % of the licence pot. | |||
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"Just read an article about how the Government want to help bail out the ailing BBC by forcing non licence payers to pay the licence fee if they use streaming services such as Netflix, Disney plus, etc. I for one don't pay for a TV licence as I do not watch or record live TV, nor do I use BBCiplayer. I only watch films and shows on these streaming platforms and get my news on YouTube channels. Why should anyone be forced to pay for something they do not use ? Isn't it about time the BBC started showing ads and paying their own way like all the other channels ? This has annoyed me immensely! I wonder if it's a test water scenario and because there's already so much backlash, Netflix won't want to lose their revenue....? It's not just Netflix either you have Disney plus, Apple TV, Paramount, Amazon prime and more, all paid for by subscribers. Surely they'll lose customers and money if the government go through with this ? I can see all maner of legal battle over this, like I said if the government forces you to have a licence to stream, surly the stream say Netflix, they would be entitled to % of the licence pot. " Well you would think so eh ? Which would then force the Government to raise the licence fee higher than it already is! And if you're already paying subscription fees for all the streaming platforms you use, then where does it end ? | |||
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"I can't think of anything on the BBC worth watching. A thorough review is needed into their future. If they can't stand on their feet and fund their programming without taxing the general population then they should be dissolved. Pay per view or taking advertising is the obvious solution. Also ditch the massive saleries to the celebrity presenters. Surely its about the quality of the programme not the presenter. The BBC has gone past its sell by date and its time to change or fold." You're right. There is nothing worth watching on the BBC, especially for the younger population of viewers out there. That is why more and more people each year are cancelling their TV licence and opting to subscribe to streaming services, hence why the BBC are ailing. The government know this but they need the BBC to use as their propaganda platform and are desperate to keep them afloat, so are resorting to desperate measures to insure that does not happen. | |||
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"A race to the bottom, such as adding adverts in the BBC, is not in anyone's interest. BBC services have been hit hard, through the previous government cutting funding levels. There's a case for funding it from a protected sliver of taxation, which would be in the public good and reduce costs for poorer people. " This isn’t about taxation for the BBC, it’s a forced levy on anyone using a paid streaming service, with the money funnelled to the BBC, which has zero connection to the person or platform providing the content. You could think of it as protection money. You want to watch something on your device, that isn't the BBC, pay up buddy or go to jail. | |||
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"A race to the bottom, such as adding adverts in the BBC, is not in anyone's interest. BBC services have been hit hard, through the previous government cutting funding levels. There's a case for funding it from a protected sliver of taxation, which would be in the public good and reduce costs for poorer people. " How would it be "in the public good". Mindless soaps, hours & hours of very dull sports, questionably unbiased news reporting, covering up of celebrity scandals, terrible day time programming and a back catalogue of past their sell by date reruns. If the BBC wants to stay relevant it needs to join the 21st Century and tout its wares in a commercially competitive market. Let the public - ie the viewers decide if they want it and not have the government force it on us. | |||
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"The OP's use of the word "ailing" is the key point to this whole question. The license fee was introduced in the 20th century when there was only terrestrial channels available so, to be fair, it made sense. It was the way of funding an ad free service. But circa 2025 the world is a very different place and technology, and thus people's viewing habits, have changed vastly. Its basically made the license fee model redundant. The complexity over whether you need a TV license to just watch YouTube (a whole post unto itself) is ample proof of this. In a free market capitalist system model the only solution is to change the license into a subscription a la Sky or Netflix or whatever. But the powers that be are acutely aware the BBC business model is not financially viable (in in its present state/format) and would likely not get enough subscribers for it to continue. The main desire to keep the BBC intact as we know it is from such as the main political parties who need a "mainstream" media to promote their election campaigns and the like. Like grains of sand in the pain of your hand they are well aware the sand in flowing out faster and faster so they are squeezing tighter in an - is it safe to say already futile - attempt to stop this. The biggest factor in all of this though is younger people. The millennials do not have the "nostalgia" or brand loyalty the BBC and its champions crave and that is their main issue they may not be able to overcome. Yep! Exactly this. When I look at the Beeb and its TV license today I just see Kodak and Borders and Woolworths. Great at their time but times move on. " I miss Woolworths and Borders!! | |||
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"Just read an article about how the Government want to help bail out the ailing BBC by forcing non licence payers to pay the licence fee if they use streaming services such as Netflix, Disney plus, etc. I for one don't pay for a TV licence as I do not watch or record live TV, nor do I use BBCiplayer. I only watch films and shows on these streaming platforms and get my news on YouTube channels. Why should anyone be forced to pay for something they do not use ? Isn't it about time the BBC started showing ads and paying their own way like all the other channels ? This has annoyed me immensely! I wonder if it's a test water scenario and because there's already so much backlash, Netflix won't want to lose their revenue....? It's not just Netflix either you have Disney plus, Apple TV, Paramount, Amazon prime and more, all paid for by subscribers. Surely they'll lose customers and money if the government go through with this ?" Yes, it such a cheek!!! | |||
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"Maybe they should cut back on the ridiculous salaries they pay to some of their presenters etc." Exactly. Is Lineker's £1.35m salary really worth it ? Oh and let's not forget Huw Edwards 40k pay increase before he " resigned " | |||
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"A race to the bottom, such as adding adverts in the BBC, is not in anyone's interest. BBC services have been hit hard, through the previous government cutting funding levels. There's a case for funding it from a protected sliver of taxation, which would be in the public good and reduce costs for poorer people. How would it be "in the public good". Mindless soaps, hours & hours of very dull sports, questionably unbiased news reporting, covering up of celebrity scandals, terrible day time programming and a back catalogue of past their sell by date reruns. If the BBC wants to stay relevant it needs to join the 21st Century and tout its wares in a commercially competitive market. Let the public - ie the viewers decide if they want it and not have the government force it on us." Because commercially competitive markets solve all problems, don’t they. Isn’t it amazing how much they have improved the rail and water systems. | |||
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"The tv licence fees fund the BBC but the fee is a tax on the equipment being used, extending it to streaming services is going to be difficult to enforce if not impossible I would have thought. Every internet enabled mobile phone user would potentially need a licence for example. In Germany they have the Rundfunkbeitrag which is their equivalent of the TV Licence. It's levied on every fixed internet connection, so it's simple to implement and it covers all streaming. It doesn't cover mobile phones, but how many people have a mobile and no home internet connection?" Me🙋♂️ I only have mobile , don’t even have a telephone wire coming onto the property let alone connected too it. | |||
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"Maybe the government should take a leaf out of Trumps playbook, and impose a 25% tariff on all Tv licence payers. That will give the Tv licence evaders something to think about." I kind of like this but we should impose a 25% tariff on all TV programmes and services that are from out side the UK such as Netflix, Amozon, Disney + add 25% to the cost of subscription as a tax. | |||
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"Maybe the government should take a leaf out of Trumps playbook, and impose a 25% tariff on all Tv licence payers. That will give the Tv licence evaders something to think about." Is television what made America great? | |||
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"The tv licence fees fund the BBC but the fee is a tax on the equipment being used, extending it to streaming services is going to be difficult to enforce if not impossible I would have thought. Every internet enabled mobile phone user would potentially need a licence for example. In Germany they have the Rundfunkbeitrag which is their equivalent of the TV Licence. It's levied on every fixed internet connection, so it's simple to implement and it covers all streaming. It doesn't cover mobile phones, but how many people have a mobile and no home internet connection? Me🙋♂️ I only have mobile , don’t even have a telephone wire coming onto the property let alone connected too it. " Likewise. I have several mobile phones, either on straight receive based payg or no commitment monthly bundles. I do not want or need a fixed domestic connection, mainly because I wouldn't use the services associated with them. I'm sure there must be a few million other recluses like me! | |||
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