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"Was on a course last week and had an inclusion talk. I posed the question whether he was worried about the UK often being a few years behind America and the implementation of such a policy over here. He was visibly worried saying that a lot of people he had met on jollys in the US were now facing unemployment. He had some lovely lanyards though to hand out. " Why would the policy of hiring the best and brightest for any particular job instead of hiring based on race or sexual orientation be cause to worry? | |||
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"Was on a course last week and had an inclusion talk. I posed the question whether he was worried about the UK often being a few years behind America and the implementation of such a policy over here. He was visibly worried saying that a lot of people he had met on jollys in the US were now facing unemployment. He had some lovely lanyards though to hand out. Why would the policy of hiring the best and brightest for any particular job instead of hiring based on race or sexual orientation be cause to worry? " He wouldn’t have a job to give out his pretty lanyards I suppose. | |||
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"Was on a course last week and had an inclusion talk. I posed the question whether he was worried about the UK often being a few years behind America and the implementation of such a policy over here. He was visibly worried saying that a lot of people he had met on jollys in the US were now facing unemployment. He had some lovely lanyards though to hand out. Why would the policy of hiring the best and brightest for any particular job instead of hiring based on race or sexual orientation be cause to worry? He wouldn’t have a job to give out his pretty lanyards I suppose. "...unless he was the best lanyard giver outerer and therefore deserved his position. | |||
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"If you want to go to USA and start a business (EB5 visa) he is offering 15% federal tax’s amongst the lowest on the globe. That is diversity, equity and inclusion " Mmm I might start a business there producing Pink Fluffy Headbands for Men and the Military, should be fun applying. | |||
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"Was on a course last week and had an inclusion talk. I posed the question whether he was worried about the UK often being a few years behind America and the implementation of such a policy over here. He was visibly worried saying that a lot of people he had met on jollys in the US were now facing unemployment. He had some lovely lanyards though to hand out. Why would the policy of hiring the best and brightest for any particular job instead of hiring based on race or sexual orientation be cause to worry? Yep, flights back and forth around the globe should become a lot more confidence inspiring. " | |||
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"I think after hearing his speech with regards to the recent plane crash he may have a point. Only very skilled people should be allowed to do certain jobs." Then again he could be just using the deaths of 67 people to ramp up his agenda, as yet there's been no investigation.. Ironically he said he knows because 'he has common sense', common sense might suggest wait till facts are known.. | |||
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"I think after hearing his speech with regards to the recent plane crash he may have a point. Only very skilled people should be allowed to do certain jobs. Then again he could be just using the deaths of 67 people to ramp up his agenda, as yet there's been no investigation.. Ironically he said he knows because 'he has common sense', common sense might suggest wait till facts are known.." The way he spoke today I felt as though he already knew something which hadn't been made public yet. | |||
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"I think after hearing his speech with regards to the recent plane crash he may have a point. Only very skilled people should be allowed to do certain jobs." _____________________________________________ Being non white, female or disabled doesn't mean your not sufficiently skilled to do certain jobs. Equally there will be minimum competency standards applying to these jobs and air traffic controllers will be highly skilled, whatever their personal features are. These issues will be fully considered in the NTSB investigation. Trump has politicised a national disaster before the investigation has even started let alone been completed. | |||
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"Was on a course last week and had an inclusion talk. I posed the question whether he was worried about the UK often being a few years behind America and the implementation of such a policy over here. He was visibly worried saying that a lot of people he had met on jollys in the US were now facing unemployment. He had some lovely lanyards though to hand out. Why would the policy of hiring the best and brightest for any particular job instead of hiring based on race or sexual orientation be cause to worry? " ____________________________________________ It's rather ironic given the backgrounds of some of his recent appointees to key cabinet roles. | |||
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"What are people's thoughts abouts Trump's ban on diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programmes in the federal government. " ________________________________________ He doesn't understand what it should be, it isn't about lowering standards, it's about levelling the playing field. Standards might actually improve if selection can be made from a wider pool of people (of properly qualified people) who can access the playing field. | |||
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"I think after hearing his speech with regards to the recent plane crash he may have a point. Only very skilled people should be allowed to do certain jobs." Yeah but surely that should also apply to the people chosen to run the government, but we have the shit show of Cash Patel, Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr, Pete Hegseth, who's only real qualifications are that they are happy to sell their soul to the orange moron | |||
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"He doesn't understand what it should be, it isn't about lowering standards, it's about levelling the playing field." It might start off that way, but it inevitably comes down to setting targets for inclusion. If your organisation only has 5% of employees from a certain group, and the target is 10%, the only way to meet that target is to employ more people from that group, whether they are suitable or not. This is much more visible in the US where it's not uncommon to see job adverts which say "you must have a protected characteristic to apply for this position". | |||
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"What are people's thoughts abouts Trump's ban on diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programmes in the federal government. ________________________________________ He doesn't understand what it should be, it isn't about lowering standards, it's about levelling the playing field. Standards might actually improve if selection can be made from a wider pool of people (of properly qualified people) who can access the playing field." How is it levelling the field if US DEI encourages "affirmative action policies". DEI excludes merit at that point. In the UK we have laws that should prevent hires based on protected characteristics, but with no framework and the wrong focus that is not always the case and is now the demise of DEI. Like most things that snowball out of control they start off with good intentions, but eventually fall apart under their own weight. | |||
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"What are people's thoughts abouts Trump's ban on diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programmes in the federal government. ________________________________________ He doesn't understand what it should be, it isn't about lowering standards, it's about levelling the playing field. Standards might actually improve if selection can be made from a wider pool of people (of properly qualified people) who can access the playing field." The example of Claudine Gay shows that's not true, and there are many others. | |||
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"What are people's thoughts abouts Trump's ban on diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programmes in the federal government. ________________________________________ He doesn't understand what it should be, it isn't about lowering standards, it's about levelling the playing field. Standards might actually improve if selection can be made from a wider pool of people (of properly qualified people) who can access the playing field. How is it levelling the field if US DEI encourages "affirmative action policies". DEI excludes merit at that point. In the UK we have laws that should prevent hires based on protected characteristics, but with no framework and the wrong focus that is not always the case and is now the demise of DEI. Like most things that snowball out of control they start off with good intentions, but eventually fall apart under their own weight. " ___________________________ There's some naivety here, is anyone suggesting the air traffic controllers involved were unqualified to be air traffic controllers or should be? Historically white males have been favoured and promoted in professional roles and society has endorsed that, the closed shop of freemasonry, gentlemens clubs, golf clubs, misogyny and racism has ensured it..it isn't the best of people who've necessarily benefited from that patriarchy. As an example why do we see so few successful black golfers, whereas their numbers are high in less exclusive sports? Is it because black people are bad at golf or is it because they're excluded or feel excluded? Do you think making golf (for example) more inclusive would improve the standard or reduce it? | |||
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"What are people's thoughts abouts Trump's ban on diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programmes in the federal government. ________________________________________ He doesn't understand what it should be, it isn't about lowering standards, it's about levelling the playing field. Standards might actually improve if selection can be made from a wider pool of people (of properly qualified people) who can access the playing field. How is it levelling the field if US DEI encourages "affirmative action policies". DEI excludes merit at that point. In the UK we have laws that should prevent hires based on protected characteristics, but with no framework and the wrong focus that is not always the case and is now the demise of DEI. Like most things that snowball out of control they start off with good intentions, but eventually fall apart under their own weight. ___________________________ There's some naivety here, is anyone suggesting the air traffic controllers involved were unqualified to be air traffic controllers or should be? Historically white males have been favoured and promoted in professional roles and society has endorsed that, the closed shop of freemasonry, gentlemens clubs, golf clubs, misogyny and racism has ensured it..it isn't the best of people who've necessarily benefited from that patriarchy. As an example why do we see so few successful black golfers, whereas their numbers are high in less exclusive sports? Is it because black people are bad at golf or is it because they're excluded or feel excluded? Do you think making golf (for example) more inclusive would improve the standard or reduce it?" Cue the eldrick comments.... | |||
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"Was on a course last week and had an inclusion talk. I posed the question whether he was worried about the UK often being a few years behind America and the implementation of such a policy over here. He was visibly worried saying that a lot of people he had met on jollys in the US were now facing unemployment. He had some lovely lanyards though to hand out. Why would the policy of hiring the best and brightest for any particular job instead of hiring based on race or sexual orientation be cause to worry? ____________________________________________ It's rather ironic given the backgrounds of some of his recent appointees to key cabinet roles." I couldn’t agree more. The really sad thing is that a bloke who employed his own daughter and son in law when last in power is convincing people he can create a meritocracy! White men will fall for it, but it’s not the majority of them who will benefit. It’s a free rein for cronyism and nepotism and having the right connections. It’s not about gender or race or sexuality, it’s about who you know and how much of a leg up you can get, but certainly not whether you’re the best person for the role because so many of them are locked out. I suppose in some ways we should at least appreciate that it’s more thinly veiled than here. I quite fancied being a search and rescue helecopter pilot once, but the then third in line to the throne was also the most able and talented guy around by strange coincidence. | |||
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"What are people's thoughts abouts Trump's ban on diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programmes in the federal government. ________________________________________ He doesn't understand what it should be, it isn't about lowering standards, it's about levelling the playing field. Standards might actually improve if selection can be made from a wider pool of people (of properly qualified people) who can access the playing field. How is it levelling the field if US DEI encourages "affirmative action policies". DEI excludes merit at that point. In the UK we have laws that should prevent hires based on protected characteristics, but with no framework and the wrong focus that is not always the case and is now the demise of DEI. Like most things that snowball out of control they start off with good intentions, but eventually fall apart under their own weight. ___________________________ There's some naivety here, is anyone suggesting the air traffic controllers involved were unqualified to be air traffic controllers or should be? Historically white males have been favoured and promoted in professional roles and society has endorsed that, the closed shop of freemasonry, gentlemens clubs, golf clubs, misogyny and racism has ensured it..it isn't the best of people who've necessarily benefited from that patriarchy. As an example why do we see so few successful black golfers, whereas their numbers are high in less exclusive sports? Is it because black people are bad at golf or is it because they're excluded or feel excluded? Do you think making golf (for example) more inclusive would improve the standard or reduce it?" Again totally agree. Can’t post pictures here but there’s a great meme around the difference between equity and equality and that’s what matters here. Equity because so many groups of people have been denied access. Again though, that may well include white men who aren’t part of the highest socio economic groupings and privilege and they’d see that if they open their eyes and stop thinking that it’s people of minority groups who are ‘getting one over them’ because of these policies. | |||
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"What are people's thoughts abouts Trump's ban on diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programmes in the federal government. ________________________________________ He doesn't understand what it should be, it isn't about lowering standards, it's about levelling the playing field. Standards might actually improve if selection can be made from a wider pool of people (of properly qualified people) who can access the playing field. How is it levelling the field if US DEI encourages "affirmative action policies". DEI excludes merit at that point. In the UK we have laws that should prevent hires based on protected characteristics, but with no framework and the wrong focus that is not always the case and is now the demise of DEI. Like most things that snowball out of control they start off with good intentions, but eventually fall apart under their own weight. ___________________________ There's some naivety here, is anyone suggesting the air traffic controllers involved were unqualified to be air traffic controllers or should be? Historically white males have been favoured and promoted in professional roles and society has endorsed that, the closed shop of freemasonry, gentlemens clubs, golf clubs, misogyny and racism has ensured it..it isn't the best of people who've necessarily benefited from that patriarchy. As an example why do we see so few successful black golfers, whereas their numbers are high in less exclusive sports? Is it because black people are bad at golf or is it because they're excluded or feel excluded? Do you think making golf (for example) more inclusive would improve the standard or reduce it?" What should happen in sports where black men and women are hugely overepresented? | |||
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"What are people's thoughts abouts Trump's ban on diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programmes in the federal government. ________________________________________ He doesn't understand what it should be, it isn't about lowering standards, it's about levelling the playing field. Standards might actually improve if selection can be made from a wider pool of people (of properly qualified people) who can access the playing field. How is it levelling the field if US DEI encourages "affirmative action policies". DEI excludes merit at that point. In the UK we have laws that should prevent hires based on protected characteristics, but with no framework and the wrong focus that is not always the case and is now the demise of DEI. Like most things that snowball out of control they start off with good intentions, but eventually fall apart under their own weight. ___________________________ There's some naivety here, is anyone suggesting the air traffic controllers involved were unqualified to be air traffic controllers or should be? Historically white males have been favoured and promoted in professional roles and society has endorsed that, the closed shop of freemasonry, gentlemens clubs, golf clubs, misogyny and racism has ensured it..it isn't the best of people who've necessarily benefited from that patriarchy. As an example why do we see so few successful black golfers, whereas their numbers are high in less exclusive sports? Is it because black people are bad at golf or is it because they're excluded or feel excluded? Do you think making golf (for example) more inclusive would improve the standard or reduce it?" This has turned out to be a long reply, apologies. I wasn’t commenting on Trumps comments on air traffic control; I was presenting my thoughts on DEI in the workplace, but your comment seems to prove my point, a lack of a DEI framework, means things snowball when discussing. On black golfers, why do you think black people need encouragement to play golf? Have you got evidence of exclusion, or is that just an assumption? Because without it, the claim could be seen as patronising. The reality is that participation in different sports is usually shaped by culture, economics, and personal interest, not exclusion and that applies to everyone. I don’t ballroom dance or play bridge because it doesn’t interest me and I don’t think I’d fit in with the people who do. But that’s a personal choice, not discrimination, and I wouldn’t expect a DEI initiative to change it on my behalf. If black people were banned from golf, that would be a different argument entirely. Point me to a club that excludes black players, and I’ll support any action against it. As for Freemasonry, have you been involved with the Masons, or are you making assumptions? Finally, you’ve bundled up historic exclusions that no longer exist and carefully associated them on modern white men to suggest that DEI is needed, as I said those historic wrong doings have been acknowledged, laws are in place to prevent or punish those stupid enough to think it is okay to exclude people or act in racist way. DEI in the workplace has run away with itself, and now, as we are seeing in everyday life, it’s being used not to fix exclusion it can actually extend exclusion especially in the US through affirmative action, and DEI justifies that preferential treatment. If someone today is actively excluding others, they should be held accountable. So on that note and a serious question, what exclusions exist now that aren’t already covered by law? | |||
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"The irony being with air traffic control was that the DEI elements of the policy were actually there to help injured military veterans get a foot on the ladder It wasn’t about black people , or women in particular … but you could tell he was riffing and thank god the correspondent from NBC called him on it… Also the fact he said he wouldn’t go to the crash site (what am I suppose to do? Swim???) followed by saying he would go to the hospital to see the seriously injured (no survivors) shows he didn’t have a clue I hate to play the “if this was Biden “ game… but he would be lighten up big time! " I watched that interview and he was certainly speaking on the fly and not doing well off the back of the frequency of the questions and change of subject. I could tell he defaulted to his baseline personality, he could do better by pausing for a second... | |||
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"What are people's thoughts abouts Trump's ban on diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programmes in the federal government. ________________________________________ He doesn't understand what it should be, it isn't about lowering standards, it's about levelling the playing field. Standards might actually improve if selection can be made from a wider pool of people (of properly qualified people) who can access the playing field. How is it levelling the field if US DEI encourages "affirmative action policies". DEI excludes merit at that point. In the UK we have laws that should prevent hires based on protected characteristics, but with no framework and the wrong focus that is not always the case and is now the demise of DEI. Like most things that snowball out of control they start off with good intentions, but eventually fall apart under their own weight. ___________________________ There's some naivety here, is anyone suggesting the air traffic controllers involved were unqualified to be air traffic controllers or should be? Historically white males have been favoured and promoted in professional roles and society has endorsed that, the closed shop of freemasonry, gentlemens clubs, golf clubs, misogyny and racism has ensured it..it isn't the best of people who've necessarily benefited from that patriarchy. As an example why do we see so few successful black golfers, whereas their numbers are high in less exclusive sports? Is it because black people are bad at golf or is it because they're excluded or feel excluded? Do you think making golf (for example) more inclusive would improve the standard or reduce it? What should happen in sports where black men and women are hugely overepresented?" Okay… I’ll run with this.. sports such as what? | |||
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"What are people's thoughts abouts Trump's ban on diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programmes in the federal government. ________________________________________ He doesn't understand what it should be, it isn't about lowering standards, it's about levelling the playing field. Standards might actually improve if selection can be made from a wider pool of people (of properly qualified people) who can access the playing field. How is it levelling the field if US DEI encourages "affirmative action policies". DEI excludes merit at that point. In the UK we have laws that should prevent hires based on protected characteristics, but with no framework and the wrong focus that is not always the case and is now the demise of DEI. Like most things that snowball out of control they start off with good intentions, but eventually fall apart under their own weight. ___________________________ There's some naivety here, is anyone suggesting the air traffic controllers involved were unqualified to be air traffic controllers or should be? Historically white males have been favoured and promoted in professional roles and society has endorsed that, the closed shop of freemasonry, gentlemens clubs, golf clubs, misogyny and racism has ensured it..it isn't the best of people who've necessarily benefited from that patriarchy. As an example why do we see so few successful black golfers, whereas their numbers are high in less exclusive sports? Is it because black people are bad at golf or is it because they're excluded or feel excluded? Do you think making golf (for example) more inclusive would improve the standard or reduce it? What should happen in sports where black men and women are hugely overepresented? Okay… I’ll run with this.. sports such as what? " Fabio I heard him say under his breath am I ment to swim too. As for sports 2 jump to mind straight away athletes especially track is dominated by black wheres swimming is almost completely white. | |||
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"I think after hearing his speech with regards to the recent plane crash he may have a point. Only very skilled people should be allowed to do certain jobs." Can disabled people not be skilled people? I'm absolutely sick to the back teeth of the bashing of disabled people since Trump came back to prominence. It's shit being disabled on a good day. It's frankly terrifying being a disabled person when the rhetoric is as it is. Anyone sat there feeling smug about not being disabled needs to remember that being abled is a temporary state of being. You too could acquire a disability in 5 minutes, tomorrow, next week, next year. And honestly, you haven't got a clue what you're in for. Not a clue. | |||
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"I think after hearing his speech with regards to the recent plane crash he may have a point. Only very skilled people should be allowed to do certain jobs. Then again he could be just using the deaths of 67 people to ramp up his agenda, as yet there's been no investigation.. Ironically he said he knows because 'he has common sense', common sense might suggest wait till facts are known.. The way he spoke today I felt as though he already knew something which hadn't been made public yet." An Altzheimers diagnosis?  | |||
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"I think after hearing his speech with regards to the recent plane crash he may have a point. Only very skilled people should be allowed to do certain jobs. Can disabled people not be skilled people? I'm absolutely sick to the back teeth of the bashing of disabled people since Trump came back to prominence. It's shit being disabled on a good day. It's frankly terrifying being a disabled person when the rhetoric is as it is. Anyone sat there feeling smug about not being disabled needs to remember that being abled is a temporary state of being. You too could acquire a disability in 5 minutes, tomorrow, next week, next year. And honestly, you haven't got a clue what you're in for. Not a clue."  | |||
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"Excellent! Should be followed over here too. We need a meritocracy! " Well we did. Decades ago. The UK was far ahead of the curve with a populist right wing leader. Her name was Maggie Thatcher. But people didn't like her nasty medicine despite benefiting enormously from a resurgent economy. Now she's vilified. So me careful what you wish for! | |||
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"Excellent! Should be followed over here too. We need a meritocracy! Well we did. Decades ago. The UK was far ahead of the curve with a populist right wing leader. Her name was Maggie Thatcher. But people didn't like her nasty medicine despite benefiting enormously from a resurgent economy. Now she's vilified. So me careful what you wish for!" Sorry that's absolute nonsense. This country is in the position it's in because of Thatcherism, vilified because she was an elitist bully. | |||
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"I think after hearing his speech with regards to the recent plane crash he may have a point. Only very skilled people should be allowed to do certain jobs. Can disabled people not be skilled people? I'm absolutely sick to the back teeth of the bashing of disabled people since Trump came back to prominence. It's shit being disabled on a good day. It's frankly terrifying being a disabled person when the rhetoric is as it is. Anyone sat there feeling smug about not being disabled needs to remember that being abled is a temporary state of being. You too could acquire a disability in 5 minutes, tomorrow, next week, next year. And honestly, you haven't got a clue what you're in for. Not a clue." This.. Bullies always go for those whom they think are 'weaker because they are different'.. Succinctly put that being abled is temporary and not set in stone.. | |||
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"Excellent! Should be followed over here too. We need a meritocracy! Well we did. Decades ago. The UK was far ahead of the curve with a populist right wing leader. Her name was Maggie Thatcher. But people didn't like her nasty medicine despite benefiting enormously from a resurgent economy. Now she's vilified. So me careful what you wish for! Sorry that's absolute nonsense. This country is in the position it's in because of Thatcherism, vilified because she was an elitist bully." Distorted history. In fact, Thatcher hated the ruling 'elite' and came from a modest middle class background herself. She saw, correctly, that 1970/80s UK was a basket case on the verge of Third World status and Monopoly currency. She administered the medicine and the country rejuvenated, only now to be slipping back into drab 'one size fits all' socialism. | |||
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"Excellent! Should be followed over here too. We need a meritocracy! Well we did. Decades ago. The UK was far ahead of the curve with a populist right wing leader. Her name was Maggie Thatcher. But people didn't like her nasty medicine despite benefiting enormously from a resurgent economy. Now she's vilified. So me careful what you wish for! Sorry that's absolute nonsense. This country is in the position it's in because of Thatcherism, vilified because she was an elitist bully. Distorted history. In fact, Thatcher hated the ruling 'elite' and came from a modest middle class background herself. She saw, correctly, that 1970/80s UK was a basket case on the verge of Third World status and Monopoly currency. She administered the medicine and the country rejuvenated, only now to be slipping back into drab 'one size fits all' socialism. " The part of history the left wing like to forget is the total mess the labour government made of utilities and how the unions broke the manufacturing industry prior to 1979. | |||
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"Excellent! Should be followed over here too. We need a meritocracy! Well we did. Decades ago. The UK was far ahead of the curve with a populist right wing leader. Her name was Maggie Thatcher. But people didn't like her nasty medicine despite benefiting enormously from a resurgent economy. Now she's vilified. So me careful what you wish for! Sorry that's absolute nonsense. This country is in the position it's in because of Thatcherism, vilified because she was an elitist bully. Distorted history. In fact, Thatcher hated the ruling 'elite' and came from a modest middle class background herself. She saw, correctly, that 1970/80s UK was a basket case on the verge of Third World status and Monopoly currency. She administered the medicine and the country rejuvenated, only now to be slipping back into drab 'one size fits all' socialism. The part of history the left wing like to forget is the total mess the labour government made of utilities and how the unions broke the manufacturing industry prior to 1979." The Unions were wrecking industry even before that. The UK had a huge shipbuilding industry, but the trade unions refused to embrace sheet metal welding instead of riveting. In a matter of decades the industry was gone completely. | |||
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"What are people's thoughts abouts Trump's ban on diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programmes in the federal government. " Name a leader whose agenda entailed limiting the size, cost and power of the government who has been subjected to such hate? TDS is real Milieu did the same in Argentina and has turned the economy around in less than a year | |||
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