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"To answer your question, executive orders I like: - Temporary ban on new regulations passed by bureaucratic organisations - Freeze on federal hiring - Military to seal the borders - Halting DEI programmes in federal government One I don't like: - Pardoning the ones who stormed Capitol - Withdrawal from Paris climate Accord. Though I understand why he did it, I think it's not a good long term prospect for the world. Rest of the orders, I don't care much either way. The executive order against birthright citizenship is going to be stuck in legal challenges." Agree with all that  | |||
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"The New President has issued a large range of new EO's. What are your thoughts on these new laws ? Will they be overturned in the Courts ? What is your favourite new EO ? " Most of the are just for “show” and don’t mean anything … for example changing the name of places… gulf of America, mt McKinley instead of Denali Anything close to affecting law is going to be challenged, but half the point is to create the fasade they tried … and to see if SCOTUS will actually allow them to… re birthright citizenship For the stuff he can actually control, I want to how Mexico and Canada retaliate to the tariffs coming in as of February 1st… just because Canada actually supplies most of the US electricity in the north east and the midwest Anything | |||
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"I have no favourites as such but I'm really interested to see how the dismantling of DEI initiatives in federal government and the national emergency on the southern border play out. Big hitters, with upstream and downstream implications. " It looks like anyone in a DEI position will be put on paid leave by the end of the day to start the process of them being sacked People just think of DEI as a race thing.. but it also deals with people with disability | |||
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"I have no favourites as such but I'm really interested to see how the dismantling of DEI initiatives in federal government and the national emergency on the southern border play out. Big hitters, with upstream and downstream implications. It looks like anyone in a DEI position will be put on paid leave by the end of the day to start the process of them being sacked People just think of DEI as a race thing.. but it also deals with people with disability " Companies have been treating disabled people pretty much similarly even before DEI became a thing. You don't need bureaucrats getting a salary if hundreds of thousands to tell the company how to make the workplace supportive of disabled people. | |||
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"I have no favourites as such but I'm really interested to see how the dismantling of DEI initiatives in federal government and the national emergency on the southern border play out. Big hitters, with upstream and downstream implications. It looks like anyone in a DEI position will be put on paid leave by the end of the day to start the process of them being sacked People just think of DEI as a race thing.. but it also deals with people with disability Companies have been treating disabled people pretty much similarly even before DEI became a thing. You don't need bureaucrats getting a salary if hundreds of thousands to tell the company how to make the workplace supportive of disabled people." Someone trusts businesses a bit too much, methinks. | |||
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"The pardoning of every jan 6th person was a bad move, I think even there republicans thought he would separate those found guilty of violent offences, and those who actually pleaded guilty You can’t say you “back the blue “ if you release all those who attack them! Paris climate agreement is one of those I will never understand as the US sets its own target.. and there is no penalty for not reaching it! Withdrawing from the WHO is an interesting one, because as much as republicans hated the advice coming from it, if most of the world is collaborating on something and you are on the outside looking in, money doesn’t just buy you out! …." Yes the pardons are a disgrace. I think the DEI stuff will have traction in UK. Many people unaware how much public money is spent on this ideology. | |||
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"I have no favourites as such but I'm really interested to see how the dismantling of DEI initiatives in federal government and the national emergency on the southern border play out. Big hitters, with upstream and downstream implications. It looks like anyone in a DEI position will be put on paid leave by the end of the day to start the process of them being sacked People just think of DEI as a race thing.. but it also deals with people with disability " The breadth of DEI has been its undoing in my opinion. I think the expansion of DEI became more and more obscure as people working in that space rarely had a framework to follow and it led to more exclusions than inclusions. Race, disability and employment laws exist without the need necessarily for DEI polices to be implemented within organisations. As I mentioned, I'm interested to see how it unfolds. | |||
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"I have no favourites as such but I'm really interested to see how the dismantling of DEI initiatives in federal government and the national emergency on the southern border play out. Big hitters, with upstream and downstream implications. It looks like anyone in a DEI position will be put on paid leave by the end of the day to start the process of them being sacked People just think of DEI as a race thing.. but it also deals with people with disability The breadth of DEI has been its undoing in my opinion. I think the expansion of DEI became more and more obscure as people working in that space rarely had a framework to follow and it led to more exclusions than inclusions. Race, disability and employment laws exist without the need necessarily for DEI polices to be implemented within organisations. As I mentioned, I'm interested to see how it unfolds." Also it's become dominated by far left activists. | |||
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"I have no favourites as such but I'm really interested to see how the dismantling of DEI initiatives in federal government and the national emergency on the southern border play out. Big hitters, with upstream and downstream implications. It looks like anyone in a DEI position will be put on paid leave by the end of the day to start the process of them being sacked People just think of DEI as a race thing.. but it also deals with people with disability Companies have been treating disabled people pretty much similarly even before DEI became a thing. You don't need bureaucrats getting a salary if hundreds of thousands to tell the company how to make the workplace supportive of disabled people. Someone trusts businesses a bit too much, methinks. " There are many countries where DEI policies were never a thing. Businesses have been doing reasonably well with supporting disabled people. All you need are laws to ensure there is no discrimination. You don't need DEI bureaucrats wasting the company's time and money on hiring targets and lame diversity trainings. | |||
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"All… the cancellation of federal WFH should be an interesting one…" That one smacks of Musk  | |||
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"All… the cancellation of federal WFH should be an interesting one…" On both sides of the Atlantic many workplaces missed the chance to really bring a positive out of COVID. A modern, flexible, hybrid approach to work. Why? Because landlords and micromanaging bosses/CEO’s. | |||
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"All… the cancellation of federal WFH should be an interesting one… That one smacks of Musk "Another positive contribution from Elon then. WFH is awful for productivity but of course it is very popular in the public sector. | |||
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"All… the cancellation of federal WFH should be an interesting one… That one smacks of Musk
Another positive contribution from Elon then. WFH is awful for productivity but of course it is very popular in the public sector."Awful? Except for all the research that says it generally improves productivity, of course. | |||
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"All… the cancellation of federal WFH should be an interesting one… That one smacks of Musk
Another positive contribution from Elon then. WFH is awful for productivity but of course it is very popular in the public sector."None of the people I know who work from home work in the public sector. | |||
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"So far love it all! However, I do wish the ban on tik tok was upheld. " Why? | |||
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"Banning trans rights, I'm a rebel. He doesn't bother me. No pro bill for Native American Indian rights. But then he plans to drill on Indian land I expect. I wonder will he end up living on Mars with Elon and Bezo an Zuckerberg. He could have his own planet. " Mars is to be renamed.. | |||
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"Banning trans rights, I'm a rebel. He doesn't bother me. No pro bill for Native American Indian rights. But then he plans to drill on Indian land I expect. I wonder will he end up living on Mars with Elon and Bezo an Zuckerberg. He could have his own planet. Mars is to be renamed.." Trumpton ? | |||
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"Banning trans rights, I'm a rebel. He doesn't bother me. No pro bill for Native American Indian rights. But then he plans to drill on Indian land I expect. I wonder will he end up living on Mars with Elon and Bezo an Zuckerberg. He could have his own planet. Mars is to be renamed.. Trumpton ?"
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"Banning trans rights, I'm a rebel. He doesn't bother me. No pro bill for Native American Indian rights. But then he plans to drill on Indian land I expect. I wonder will he end up living on Mars with Elon and Bezo an Zuckerberg. He could have his own planet. Mars is to be renamed.. Trumpton ?
That's better than the one I was thinking of.."The Orange Planet ? | |||
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"Banning trans rights, I'm a rebel. He doesn't bother me. No pro bill for Native American Indian rights. But then he plans to drill on Indian land I expect. I wonder will he end up living on Mars with Elon and Bezo an Zuckerberg. He could have his own planet. Mars is to be renamed.. Trumpton ?
That's better than the one I was thinking of..
The Orange Planet ? "I was more along the lines of 'Egotistia'.. | |||
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"What are your thoughts on these new laws ? " My thoughts are: why does anyone in the UK giving a flying hoot about what Trump (or any other us politician) does? We can’t influence it in any way so it’s like complaining about the weather - it’s going to happen irrespective of what we think. | |||
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"Anyone entering the US illegally is to be returned without being able to request asylum. The UK should do the same " There is (a very few exceptions aside) no way to claim asylum in the U.K without entering ‘illegally’ | |||
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"What are your thoughts on these new laws ? My thoughts are: why does anyone in the UK giving a flying hoot about what Trump (or any other us politician) does? We can’t influence it in any way so it’s like complaining about the weather - it’s going to happen irrespective of what we think." Fair point ! | |||
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"What are your thoughts on these new laws ? My thoughts are: why does anyone in the UK giving a flying hoot about what Trump (or any other us politician) does? We can’t influence it in any way so it’s like complaining about the weather - it’s going to happen irrespective of what we think." team trump shat on farage the other day on their social media .... 'nough said about what team trump actually thinks about this country | |||
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"What are your thoughts on these new laws ? My thoughts are: why does anyone in the UK giving a flying hoot about what Trump (or any other us politician) does? We can’t influence it in any way so it’s like complaining about the weather - it’s going to happen irrespective of what we think." I'm witnessing irrational outbursts driven through emotional responses to social media posts that are fuelled by left wing influencers. The frenzy and semantic gymnastics to drive a personal opinion that was provided by misinformation is off the scale, it has the footprint of covid, 5G and Bill gates conspiracies. It’s the classic social media cycle! A cocktail of misinformation, emotional overdrive, and faux outrage. People don’t even pause to verify they take the baton and run. | |||
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"What are your thoughts on these new laws ? My thoughts are: why does anyone in the UK giving a flying hoot about what Trump (or any other us politician) does? We can’t influence it in any way so it’s like complaining about the weather - it’s going to happen irrespective of what we think. I'm witnessing irrational outbursts driven through emotional responses to social media posts that are fuelled by left wing influencers. The frenzy and semantic gymnastics to drive a personal opinion that was provided by misinformation is off the scale, it has the footprint of covid, 5G and Bill gates conspiracies. It’s the classic social media cycle! A cocktail of misinformation, emotional overdrive, and faux outrage. People don’t even pause to verify they take the baton and run. " But selective outrage is not unique to the left, and it’s fuelled by influencers (including the media, including millionaires and billionaires). It’s the same mouthful of mouthwash, swished from one cheek to the other. | |||
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"What are your thoughts on these new laws ? My thoughts are: why does anyone in the UK giving a flying hoot about what Trump (or any other us politician) does? We can’t influence it in any way so it’s like complaining about the weather - it’s going to happen irrespective of what we think. I'm witnessing irrational outbursts driven through emotional responses to social media posts that are fuelled by left wing influencers. The frenzy and semantic gymnastics to drive a personal opinion that was provided by misinformation is off the scale, it has the footprint of covid, 5G and Bill gates conspiracies. It’s the classic social media cycle! A cocktail of misinformation, emotional overdrive, and faux outrage. People don’t even pause to verify they take the baton and run. But selective outrage is not unique to the left, and it’s fuelled by influencers (including the media, including millionaires and billionaires). It’s the same mouthful of mouthwash, swished from one cheek to the other." The left wing "influencer" echo chamber is resonating with nonsense, and as you say its not unique to one side. However I do feel those who are being influenced by the populist left feel they have a moral advantage, whenn nothing could be further from the truth. As per your analogy of cheeks. Critical thinking has left the building | |||
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"Pardoning the Jan 6 Rioters is handing them tacit approval that their actions in storming the Capital building "in the pursuit of their aims" are quite ok. That their conflict with law enforcement was ok. That their wanton damage and destructions was ok. It's supportive of these semi-para-military groups. It hands them power. It makes them feel justified and protected. Emboldens. . My fear is that they will find "other targets". People not like them. And that covers a very broad spectrum. . Light paper. Stand back. Watch the fireworks fly. Because the POTUS has "got your back". . Facilitating a minority group, a group with easily-obtainable access to weapons, and an ideological axe to grind, seems like a classic element of provoking internal conflict in a grand scale to me. . If you watched "Civil War" by Alex Garland, then you'll recognise the "paramilitary" group at one point in the film (loading bodies in to pits). Because that is how these things "unfold". " I was surprised at the pardons, but not overly emotional. Can we apply your thinking to all protests going forward and their supporters and backers? | |||
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"Pardoning the Jan 6 Rioters is handing them tacit approval that their actions in storming the Capital building "in the pursuit of their aims" are quite ok. That their conflict with law enforcement was ok. That their wanton damage and destructions was ok. It's supportive of these semi-para-military groups. It hands them power. It makes them feel justified and protected. Emboldens. . My fear is that they will find "other targets". People not like them. And that covers a very broad spectrum. . Light paper. Stand back. Watch the fireworks fly. Because the POTUS has "got your back". . Facilitating a minority group, a group with easily-obtainable access to weapons, and an ideological axe to grind, seems like a classic element of provoking internal conflict in a grand scale to me. . If you watched "Civil War" by Alex Garland, then you'll recognise the "paramilitary" group at one point in the film (loading bodies in to pits). Because that is how these things "unfold". I was surprised at the pardons, but not overly emotional. Can we apply your thinking to all protests going forward and their supporters and backers?" Huh ? I don't follow your last comment, it makes no sense. | |||
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"Pardoning the Jan 6 Rioters is handing them tacit approval that their actions in storming the Capital building "in the pursuit of their aims" are quite ok. That their conflict with law enforcement was ok. That their wanton damage and destructions was ok. It's supportive of these semi-para-military groups. It hands them power. It makes them feel justified and protected. Emboldens. . My fear is that they will find "other targets". People not like them. And that covers a very broad spectrum. . Light paper. Stand back. Watch the fireworks fly. Because the POTUS has "got your back". . Facilitating a minority group, a group with easily-obtainable access to weapons, and an ideological axe to grind, seems like a classic element of provoking internal conflict in a grand scale to me. . If you watched "Civil War" by Alex Garland, then you'll recognise the "paramilitary" group at one point in the film (loading bodies in to pits). Because that is how these things "unfold". I was surprised at the pardons, but not overly emotional. Can we apply your thinking to all protests going forward and their supporters and backers?" If you mean in the future when there's a democrat in the white house, then no I doubt very much that the privilege of being above the law by trump to his mob rightly convicted after 6 Jan isn't going to happen.. They (as the democrats and republicans before trump) carried out the duties and traditions of the losing party with dignity and that's something as we've seen is not within the psyche of trump.. The poster above is very on the money in relation to the pardons and commuting this far, what trump hasn't done is fully pardoned those at the top of the various militias which would be a step too far for many republican representatives.. | |||
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"What are your thoughts on these new laws ? My thoughts are: why does anyone in the UK giving a flying hoot about what Trump (or any other us politician) does? We can’t influence it in any way so it’s like complaining about the weather - it’s going to happen irrespective of what we think." Probably because of the inevitable tariff demand and/or demand in any UK/US trade deal for a start …. I hate it when people use the excuse about not to be interested | |||
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"What are your thoughts on these new laws ? My thoughts are: why does anyone in the UK giving a flying hoot about what Trump (or any other us politician) does? We can’t influence it in any way so it’s like complaining about the weather - it’s going to happen irrespective of what we think. Probably because of the inevitable tariff demand and/or demand in any UK/US trade deal for a start …. I hate it when people use the excuse about not to be interested " You misunderstand my point. I am aware of what he is doing and so I make sure I set myself up so that I reduce the impact on me - just like I watch the weather forecast to see if I need a coat or not. The weather is the weather. How I deal with it is on me. I don’t get stressed or spend much time thinking about the weather and likewise with US pols. If people spent more time thinking about how to reduce the impact and less time freaking out then maybe their lives would be better. | |||
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"What are your thoughts on these new laws ? My thoughts are: why does anyone in the UK giving a flying hoot about what Trump (or any other us politician) does? We can’t influence it in any way so it’s like complaining about the weather - it’s going to happen irrespective of what we think. Probably because of the inevitable tariff demand and/or demand in any UK/US trade deal for a start …. I hate it when people use the excuse about not to be interested " Exactly, short sighted views failing to understand that the USA affects almost every country in the world when they change major policies regarding trade. | |||
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"What are your thoughts on these new laws ? My thoughts are: why does anyone in the UK giving a flying hoot about what Trump (or any other us politician) does? We can’t influence it in any way so it’s like complaining about the weather - it’s going to happen irrespective of what we think. Probably because of the inevitable tariff demand and/or demand in any UK/US trade deal for a start …. I hate it when people use the excuse about not to be interested Exactly, short sighted views failing to understand that the USA affects almost every country in the world when they change major policies regarding trade." Yeah and I don't see why we should discuss only the topics which impact us. This is politics section. If we find some country's political situation, we can discuss about it. | |||
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"What are your thoughts on these new laws ? My thoughts are: why does anyone in the UK giving a flying hoot about what Trump (or any other us politician) does? We can’t influence it in any way so it’s like complaining about the weather - it’s going to happen irrespective of what we think. Probably because of the inevitable tariff demand and/or demand in any UK/US trade deal for a start …. I hate it when people use the excuse about not to be interested " the OP's opener was ... 'The New President has issued a large range of new EO's. What are your thoughts on these new laws ? Will they be overturned in the Courts ? What is your favourite new EO ?' .... the executive order didn't include tariffs, so why should we be concerned about Grumps fruity-loop order to rename the gulf of mexico or reclassifying fed workers etc.? you may be concerned seeing as how you're a doodle-dandy but the rest of us won't be affected by his nonsense so far to be fair. | |||
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"What are your thoughts on these new laws ? My thoughts are: why does anyone in the UK giving a flying hoot about what Trump (or any other us politician) does? We can’t influence it in any way so it’s like complaining about the weather - it’s going to happen irrespective of what we think. Probably because of the inevitable tariff demand and/or demand in any UK/US trade deal for a start …. I hate it when people use the excuse about not to be interested the OP's opener was ... 'The New President has issued a large range of new EO's. What are your thoughts on these new laws ? Will they be overturned in the Courts ? What is your favourite new EO ?' .... the executive order didn't include tariffs, so why should we be concerned about Grumps fruity-loop order to rename the gulf of mexico or reclassifying fed workers etc.? you may be concerned seeing as how you're a doodle-dandy but the rest of us won't be affected by his nonsense so far to be fair. " If you are not affected or interested, you know... you can just stay out of this thread. People who are interested can still discuss. | |||
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"What are your thoughts on these new laws ? My thoughts are: why does anyone in the UK giving a flying hoot about what Trump (or any other us politician) does? We can’t influence it in any way so it’s like complaining about the weather - it’s going to happen irrespective of what we think. Probably because of the inevitable tariff demand and/or demand in any UK/US trade deal for a start …. I hate it when people use the excuse about not to be interested the OP's opener was ... 'The New President has issued a large range of new EO's. What are your thoughts on these new laws ? Will they be overturned in the Courts ? What is your favourite new EO ?' .... the executive order didn't include tariffs, so why should we be concerned about Grumps fruity-loop order to rename the gulf of mexico or reclassifying fed workers etc.? you may be concerned seeing as how you're a doodle-dandy but the rest of us won't be affected by his nonsense so far to be fair. If you are not affected or interested, you know... you can just stay out of this thread. People who are interested can still discuss. " stop being triggered .... absolutely nobody is stopping you squabbling with others | |||
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"What are your thoughts on these new laws ? My thoughts are: why does anyone in the UK giving a flying hoot about what Trump (or any other us politician) does? We can’t influence it in any way so it’s like complaining about the weather - it’s going to happen irrespective of what we think. Probably because of the inevitable tariff demand and/or demand in any UK/US trade deal for a start …. I hate it when people use the excuse about not to be interested the OP's opener was ... 'The New President has issued a large range of new EO's. What are your thoughts on these new laws ? Will they be overturned in the Courts ? What is your favourite new EO ?' .... the executive order didn't include tariffs, so why should we be concerned about Grumps fruity-loop order to rename the gulf of mexico or reclassifying fed workers etc.? you may be concerned seeing as how you're a doodle-dandy but the rest of us won't be affected by his nonsense so far to be fair. If you are not affected or interested, you know... you can just stay out of this thread. People who are interested can still discuss. stop being triggered .... absolutely nobody is stopping you squabbling with others "Then what's the point of these comments asking us not to discuss this topic? | |||
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"What are your thoughts on these new laws ? My thoughts are: why does anyone in the UK giving a flying hoot about what Trump (or any other us politician) does? We can’t influence it in any way so it’s like complaining about the weather - it’s going to happen irrespective of what we think. Probably because of the inevitable tariff demand and/or demand in any UK/US trade deal for a start …. I hate it when people use the excuse about not to be interested the OP's opener was ... 'The New President has issued a large range of new EO's. What are your thoughts on these new laws ? Will they be overturned in the Courts ? What is your favourite new EO ?' .... the executive order didn't include tariffs, so why should we be concerned about Grumps fruity-loop order to rename the gulf of mexico or reclassifying fed workers etc.? you may be concerned seeing as how you're a doodle-dandy but the rest of us won't be affected by his nonsense so far to be fair. If you are not affected or interested, you know... you can just stay out of this thread. People who are interested can still discuss. stop being triggered .... absolutely nobody is stopping you squabbling with others
Then what's the point of these comments asking us not to discuss this topic?"who's asked you not to discuss the topic of the executive orders that grump signed?  | |||
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"What are your thoughts on these new laws ? My thoughts are: why does anyone in the UK giving a flying hoot about what Trump (or any other us politician) does? We can’t influence it in any way so it’s like complaining about the weather - it’s going to happen irrespective of what we think. Probably because of the inevitable tariff demand and/or demand in any UK/US trade deal for a start …. I hate it when people use the excuse about not to be interested the OP's opener was ... 'The New President has issued a large range of new EO's. What are your thoughts on these new laws ? Will they be overturned in the Courts ? What is your favourite new EO ?' .... the executive order didn't include tariffs, so why should we be concerned about Grumps fruity-loop order to rename the gulf of mexico or reclassifying fed workers etc.? you may be concerned seeing as how you're a doodle-dandy but the rest of us won't be affected by his nonsense so far to be fair. If you are not affected or interested, you know... you can just stay out of this thread. People who are interested can still discuss. stop being triggered .... absolutely nobody is stopping you squabbling with others
Then what's the point of these comments asking us not to discuss this topic?
who's asked you not to discuss the topic of the executive orders that grump signed? "So what exactly is the point of the comments you made here? | |||
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"What are your thoughts on these new laws ? My thoughts are: why does anyone in the UK giving a flying hoot about what Trump (or any other us politician) does? We can’t influence it in any way so it’s like complaining about the weather - it’s going to happen irrespective of what we think. Probably because of the inevitable tariff demand and/or demand in any UK/US trade deal for a start …. I hate it when people use the excuse about not to be interested the OP's opener was ... 'The New President has issued a large range of new EO's. What are your thoughts on these new laws ? Will they be overturned in the Courts ? What is your favourite new EO ?' .... the executive order didn't include tariffs, so why should we be concerned about Grumps fruity-loop order to rename the gulf of mexico or reclassifying fed workers etc.? you may be concerned seeing as how you're a doodle-dandy but the rest of us won't be affected by his nonsense so far to be fair. If you are not affected or interested, you know... you can just stay out of this thread. People who are interested can still discuss. stop being triggered .... absolutely nobody is stopping you squabbling with others
Then what's the point of these comments asking us not to discuss this topic?
who's asked you not to discuss the topic of the executive orders that grump signed?
So what exactly is the point of the comments you made here?"calm down and read the posts. so far, grumps bonkers executive orders don't affect non-americans, so some people are posting that they can't see why people in this country are getting wound up ... it's quite a simple point of view and a massive leap from there to your claims of people trying to cancel you. | |||
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"Pardoning the Jan 6 Rioters is handing them tacit approval that their actions in storming the Capital building "in the pursuit of their aims" are quite ok. That their conflict with law enforcement was ok. That their wanton damage and destructions was ok. It's supportive of these semi-para-military groups. It hands them power. It makes them feel justified and protected. Emboldens. . My fear is that they will find "other targets". People not like them. And that covers a very broad spectrum. . Light paper. Stand back. Watch the fireworks fly. Because the POTUS has "got your back". . Facilitating a minority group, a group with easily-obtainable access to weapons, and an ideological axe to grind, seems like a classic element of provoking internal conflict in a grand scale to me. . If you watched "Civil War" by Alex Garland, then you'll recognise the "paramilitary" group at one point in the film (loading bodies in to pits). Because that is how these things "unfold". I was surprised at the pardons, but not overly emotional. Can we apply your thinking to all protests going forward and their supporters and backers? If you mean in the future when there's a democrat in the white house, then no I doubt very much that the privilege of being above the law by trump to his mob rightly convicted after 6 Jan isn't going to happen.. They (as the democrats and republicans before trump) carried out the duties and traditions of the losing party with dignity and that's something as we've seen is not within the psyche of trump.. The poster above is very on the money in relation to the pardons and commuting this far, what trump hasn't done is fully pardoned those at the top of the various militias which would be a step too far for many republican representatives.. " I was also surprised by the pardons but didn't get emotional over it, I think it’s more constructive to focus on principles of fairness and proportionality, rather than leaning into hypothetical, extreme outcomes. Hence my question, should we apply this approach of extreme outcomes to every group going forward, rather than for the act they carried out personally? Some of those convicted might have been sentenced overly harshly, others should have not received a pardon, my point being they were not all proud boys. This approach is why in my opinion we have so much hysteria flying around right now. As for the Dems not giving out pardons and being above the law, (if that is what you mean) Take a look at Biden's pardon's, but to those in a frenzy it is a fine to protect them from Trump and brush away the pardons as needed. | |||
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"Pardoning the Jan 6 Rioters is handing them tacit approval that their actions in storming the Capital building "in the pursuit of their aims" are quite ok. That their conflict with law enforcement was ok. That their wanton damage and destructions was ok. It's supportive of these semi-para-military groups. It hands them power. It makes them feel justified and protected. Emboldens. . My fear is that they will find "other targets". People not like them. And that covers a very broad spectrum. . Light paper. Stand back. Watch the fireworks fly. Because the POTUS has "got your back". . Facilitating a minority group, a group with easily-obtainable access to weapons, and an ideological axe to grind, seems like a classic element of provoking internal conflict in a grand scale to me. . If you watched "Civil War" by Alex Garland, then you'll recognise the "paramilitary" group at one point in the film (loading bodies in to pits). Because that is how these things "unfold". I was surprised at the pardons, but not overly emotional. Can we apply your thinking to all protests going forward and their supporters and backers? If you mean in the future when there's a democrat in the white house, then no I doubt very much that the privilege of being above the law by trump to his mob rightly convicted after 6 Jan isn't going to happen.. They (as the democrats and republicans before trump) carried out the duties and traditions of the losing party with dignity and that's something as we've seen is not within the psyche of trump.. The poster above is very on the money in relation to the pardons and commuting this far, what trump hasn't done is fully pardoned those at the top of the various militias which would be a step too far for many republican representatives.. I was also surprised by the pardons but didn't get emotional over it, I think it’s more constructive to focus on principles of fairness and proportionality, rather than leaning into hypothetical, extreme outcomes. Hence my question, should we apply this approach of extreme outcomes to every group going forward, rather than for the act they carried out personally? Some of those convicted might have been sentenced overly harshly, others should have not received a pardon, my point being they were not all proud boys. This approach is why in my opinion we have so much hysteria flying around right now. As for the Dems not giving out pardons and being above the law, (if that is what you mean) Take a look at Biden's pardon's, but to those in a frenzy it is a fine to protect them from Trump and brush away the pardons as needed. " No offence… but that is all excuse If you are suppose to look at a pardon in its own singular case, you are telling me that they decide on the same solution in every single circumstance… Including the hundreds that pleaded guilty, and all of those found guilty by a jury of their peers, and those who violently attacked police people…. Every… single…case Let’s be real.. he let them out because they fought for him!!! His people!! It’s a sorry attempt to whitewash history, but we all saw the same thing with our own eyes, whether that was on ABC, NBC,CBS,CNN or FOX | |||
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"What are your thoughts on these new laws ? My thoughts are: why does anyone in the UK giving a flying hoot about what Trump (or any other us politician) does? We can’t influence it in any way so it’s like complaining about the weather - it’s going to happen irrespective of what we think. Probably because of the inevitable tariff demand and/or demand in any UK/US trade deal for a start …. I hate it when people use the excuse about not to be interested the OP's opener was ... 'The New President has issued a large range of new EO's. What are your thoughts on these new laws ? Will they be overturned in the Courts ? What is your favourite new EO ?' .... the executive order didn't include tariffs, so why should we be concerned about Grumps fruity-loop order to rename the gulf of mexico or reclassifying fed workers etc.? you may be concerned seeing as how you're a doodle-dandy but the rest of us won't be affected by his nonsense so far to be fair. If you are not affected or interested, you know... you can just stay out of this thread. People who are interested can still discuss. stop being triggered .... absolutely nobody is stopping you squabbling with others
Then what's the point of these comments asking us not to discuss this topic?
who's asked you not to discuss the topic of the executive orders that grump signed?
So what exactly is the point of the comments you made here?
calm down and read the posts. so far, grumps bonkers executive orders don't affect non-americans, so some people are posting that they can't see why people in this country are getting wound up ... it's quite a simple point of view and a massive leap from there to your claims of people trying to cancel you. "Should people only be "wound up" over things that directly affect them? | |||
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"Pardoning the Jan 6 Rioters is handing them tacit approval that their actions in storming the Capital building "in the pursuit of their aims" are quite ok. That their conflict with law enforcement was ok. That their wanton damage and destructions was ok. It's supportive of these semi-para-military groups. It hands them power. It makes them feel justified and protected. Emboldens. . My fear is that they will find "other targets". People not like them. And that covers a very broad spectrum. . Light paper. Stand back. Watch the fireworks fly. Because the POTUS has "got your back". . Facilitating a minority group, a group with easily-obtainable access to weapons, and an ideological axe to grind, seems like a classic element of provoking internal conflict in a grand scale to me. . If you watched "Civil War" by Alex Garland, then you'll recognise the "paramilitary" group at one point in the film (loading bodies in to pits). Because that is how these things "unfold". I was surprised at the pardons, but not overly emotional. Can we apply your thinking to all protests going forward and their supporters and backers? If you mean in the future when there's a democrat in the white house, then no I doubt very much that the privilege of being above the law by trump to his mob rightly convicted after 6 Jan isn't going to happen.. They (as the democrats and republicans before trump) carried out the duties and traditions of the losing party with dignity and that's something as we've seen is not within the psyche of trump.. The poster above is very on the money in relation to the pardons and commuting this far, what trump hasn't done is fully pardoned those at the top of the various militias which would be a step too far for many republican representatives.. I was also surprised by the pardons but didn't get emotional over it, I think it’s more constructive to focus on principles of fairness and proportionality, rather than leaning into hypothetical, extreme outcomes. Hence my question, should we apply this approach of extreme outcomes to every group going forward, rather than for the act they carried out personally? Some of those convicted might have been sentenced overly harshly, others should have not received a pardon, my point being they were not all proud boys. This approach is why in my opinion we have so much hysteria flying around right now. As for the Dems not giving out pardons and being above the law, (if that is what you mean) Take a look at Biden's pardon's, but to those in a frenzy it is a fine to protect them from Trump and brush away the pardons as needed. No offence… but that is all excuse If you are suppose to look at a pardon in its own singular case, you are telling me that they decide on the same solution in every single circumstance… Including the hundreds that pleaded guilty, and all of those found guilty by a jury of their peers, and those who violently attacked police people…. Every… single…case Let’s be real.. he let them out because they fought for him!!! His people!! It’s a sorry attempt to whitewash history, but we all saw the same thing with our own eyes, whether that was on ABC, NBC,CBS,CNN or FOX " I didn't say the blanket pardons were the right thing to do did I? I'm advocating for them to be looked at an individual level, and I sad " Some of those convicted might have been sentenced overly harshly, others should have not received a pardon, my point being they were not all proud boys". So what is it I said that is an excuse? Biden doing pretty much the same thing, those that fought for him albeit in courts and government organisations, who will now never be put under the spotlight for any wrong doing, and pardoning is son who was convicted because according to Biden he was part of his family.... Take out the emotion and they have both done the same thing in the cold light of day, abused the system. | |||
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"Pardoning the Jan 6 Rioters is handing them tacit approval that their actions in storming the Capital building "in the pursuit of their aims" are quite ok. That their conflict with law enforcement was ok. That their wanton damage and destructions was ok. It's supportive of these semi-para-military groups. It hands them power. It makes them feel justified and protected. Emboldens. . My fear is that they will find "other targets". People not like them. And that covers a very broad spectrum. . Light paper. Stand back. Watch the fireworks fly. Because the POTUS has "got your back". . Facilitating a minority group, a group with easily-obtainable access to weapons, and an ideological axe to grind, seems like a classic element of provoking internal conflict in a grand scale to me. . If you watched "Civil War" by Alex Garland, then you'll recognise the "paramilitary" group at one point in the film (loading bodies in to pits). Because that is how these things "unfold". I was surprised at the pardons, but not overly emotional. Can we apply your thinking to all protests going forward and their supporters and backers? If you mean in the future when there's a democrat in the white house, then no I doubt very much that the privilege of being above the law by trump to his mob rightly convicted after 6 Jan isn't going to happen.. They (as the democrats and republicans before trump) carried out the duties and traditions of the losing party with dignity and that's something as we've seen is not within the psyche of trump.. The poster above is very on the money in relation to the pardons and commuting this far, what trump hasn't done is fully pardoned those at the top of the various militias which would be a step too far for many republican representatives.. I was also surprised by the pardons but didn't get emotional over it, I think it’s more constructive to focus on principles of fairness and proportionality, rather than leaning into hypothetical, extreme outcomes. Hence my question, should we apply this approach of extreme outcomes to every group going forward, rather than for the act they carried out personally? Some of those convicted might have been sentenced overly harshly, others should have not received a pardon, my point being they were not all proud boys. This approach is why in my opinion we have so much hysteria flying around right now. As for the Dems not giving out pardons and being above the law, (if that is what you mean) Take a look at Biden's pardon's, but to those in a frenzy it is a fine to protect them from Trump and brush away the pardons as needed. " Some might get emotional but tbh it doesn't often alter the valid points they might raise, as with many issues or subjects.. I'm a bit traditional in that if the same actions were carried out here for whatever reason (not suggesting there would be) on what is the seat of government by people who attack the police who we have expectations of to protect such places then that can't be pardoned .. Unlike other regimes which are totalitarian and deserve overthrowing as their treatment of the general population by any accepted norms is barbaric.. I'm not talking about general pardons which yes has become a bad but inevitable habit.. No one else but trump would have verbally said 'proud boys, stand by'.. And his actions as the attack on the capitol were clear to see fell woefully short, the consequences for many elected representatives and not only democrats without the brave police, secret service and others literally stopped an escalation and a situation out of control.. To call people hostages and then let them all free who were convicted by the laws in the constitution sets a dangerous precedent .. | |||
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"Pardoning the Jan 6 Rioters is handing them tacit approval that their actions in storming the Capital building "in the pursuit of their aims" are quite ok. That their conflict with law enforcement was ok. That their wanton damage and destructions was ok. It's supportive of these semi-para-military groups. It hands them power. It makes them feel justified and protected. Emboldens. . My fear is that they will find "other targets". People not like them. And that covers a very broad spectrum. . Light paper. Stand back. Watch the fireworks fly. Because the POTUS has "got your back". . Facilitating a minority group, a group with easily-obtainable access to weapons, and an ideological axe to grind, seems like a classic element of provoking internal conflict in a grand scale to me. . If you watched "Civil War" by Alex Garland, then you'll recognise the "paramilitary" group at one point in the film (loading bodies in to pits). Because that is how these things "unfold". I was surprised at the pardons, but not overly emotional. Can we apply your thinking to all protests going forward and their supporters and backers? If you mean in the future when there's a democrat in the white house, then no I doubt very much that the privilege of being above the law by trump to his mob rightly convicted after 6 Jan isn't going to happen.. They (as the democrats and republicans before trump) carried out the duties and traditions of the losing party with dignity and that's something as we've seen is not within the psyche of trump.. The poster above is very on the money in relation to the pardons and commuting this far, what trump hasn't done is fully pardoned those at the top of the various militias which would be a step too far for many republican representatives.. I was also surprised by the pardons but didn't get emotional over it, I think it’s more constructive to focus on principles of fairness and proportionality, rather than leaning into hypothetical, extreme outcomes. Hence my question, should we apply this approach of extreme outcomes to every group going forward, rather than for the act they carried out personally? Some of those convicted might have been sentenced overly harshly, others should have not received a pardon, my point being they were not all proud boys. This approach is why in my opinion we have so much hysteria flying around right now. As for the Dems not giving out pardons and being above the law, (if that is what you mean) Take a look at Biden's pardon's, but to those in a frenzy it is a fine to protect them from Trump and brush away the pardons as needed. Some might get emotional but tbh it doesn't often alter the valid points they might raise, as with many issues or subjects.. I'm a bit traditional in that if the same actions were carried out here for whatever reason (not suggesting there would be) on what is the seat of government by people who attack the police who we have expectations of to protect such places then that can't be pardoned .. Unlike other regimes which are totalitarian and deserve overthrowing as their treatment of the general population by any accepted norms is barbaric.. I'm not talking about general pardons which yes has become a bad but inevitable habit.. No one else but trump would have verbally said 'proud boys, stand by'.. And his actions as the attack on the capitol were clear to see fell woefully short, the consequences for many elected representatives and not only democrats without the brave police, secret service and others literally stopped an escalation and a situation out of control.. To call people hostages and then let them all free who were convicted by the laws in the constitution sets a dangerous precedent .." I get what you are saying but that is simply Trump being Trump, he has abused the system openly and shouted about it. As I said the blanket pardons were not good, but it doesn't mean to say nobody should have received a pardon. I'm repeating my post above, but Biden in my opinion has done exactly the same thing, abused the system, with the only difference being the 2 men and who supports who. | |||
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"Pardoning the Jan 6 Rioters is handing them tacit approval that their actions in storming the Capital building "in the pursuit of their aims" are quite ok. That their conflict with law enforcement was ok. That their wanton damage and destructions was ok. It's supportive of these semi-para-military groups. It hands them power. It makes them feel justified and protected. Emboldens. . My fear is that they will find "other targets". People not like them. And that covers a very broad spectrum. . Light paper. Stand back. Watch the fireworks fly. Because the POTUS has "got your back". . Facilitating a minority group, a group with easily-obtainable access to weapons, and an ideological axe to grind, seems like a classic element of provoking internal conflict in a grand scale to me. . If you watched "Civil War" by Alex Garland, then you'll recognise the "paramilitary" group at one point in the film (loading bodies in to pits). Because that is how these things "unfold". I was surprised at the pardons, but not overly emotional. Can we apply your thinking to all protests going forward and their supporters and backers? If you mean in the future when there's a democrat in the white house, then no I doubt very much that the privilege of being above the law by trump to his mob rightly convicted after 6 Jan isn't going to happen.. They (as the democrats and republicans before trump) carried out the duties and traditions of the losing party with dignity and that's something as we've seen is not within the psyche of trump.. The poster above is very on the money in relation to the pardons and commuting this far, what trump hasn't done is fully pardoned those at the top of the various militias which would be a step too far for many republican representatives.. I was also surprised by the pardons but didn't get emotional over it, I think it’s more constructive to focus on principles of fairness and proportionality, rather than leaning into hypothetical, extreme outcomes. Hence my question, should we apply this approach of extreme outcomes to every group going forward, rather than for the act they carried out personally? Some of those convicted might have been sentenced overly harshly, others should have not received a pardon, my point being they were not all proud boys. This approach is why in my opinion we have so much hysteria flying around right now. As for the Dems not giving out pardons and being above the law, (if that is what you mean) Take a look at Biden's pardon's, but to those in a frenzy it is a fine to protect them from Trump and brush away the pardons as needed. Some might get emotional but tbh it doesn't often alter the valid points they might raise, as with many issues or subjects.. I'm a bit traditional in that if the same actions were carried out here for whatever reason (not suggesting there would be) on what is the seat of government by people who attack the police who we have expectations of to protect such places then that can't be pardoned .. Unlike other regimes which are totalitarian and deserve overthrowing as their treatment of the general population by any accepted norms is barbaric.. I'm not talking about general pardons which yes has become a bad but inevitable habit.. No one else but trump would have verbally said 'proud boys, stand by'.. And his actions as the attack on the capitol were clear to see fell woefully short, the consequences for many elected representatives and not only democrats without the brave police, secret service and others literally stopped an escalation and a situation out of control.. To call people hostages and then let them all free who were convicted by the laws in the constitution sets a dangerous precedent .. I get what you are saying but that is simply Trump being Trump, he has abused the system openly and shouted about it. As I said the blanket pardons were not good, but it doesn't mean to say nobody should have received a pardon. I'm repeating my post above, but Biden in my opinion has done exactly the same thing, abused the system, with the only difference being the 2 men and who supports who." Biden would not have used the same tactics to almost encourage armed militia to attend the capitol on the day.. Now would any other leader of either party after they lost an election.. Diluting the actions on the 6th Jan into a yeah but they all do it is not how history will judge it.. We need to agree to disagree on this.. | |||
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"Pardoning the Jan 6 Rioters is handing them tacit approval that their actions in storming the Capital building "in the pursuit of their aims" are quite ok. That their conflict with law enforcement was ok. That their wanton damage and destructions was ok. It's supportive of these semi-para-military groups. It hands them power. It makes them feel justified and protected. Emboldens. . My fear is that they will find "other targets". People not like them. And that covers a very broad spectrum. . Light paper. Stand back. Watch the fireworks fly. Because the POTUS has "got your back". . Facilitating a minority group, a group with easily-obtainable access to weapons, and an ideological axe to grind, seems like a classic element of provoking internal conflict in a grand scale to me. . If you watched "Civil War" by Alex Garland, then you'll recognise the "paramilitary" group at one point in the film (loading bodies in to pits). Because that is how these things "unfold". I was surprised at the pardons, but not overly emotional. Can we apply your thinking to all protests going forward and their supporters and backers? If you mean in the future when there's a democrat in the white house, then no I doubt very much that the privilege of being above the law by trump to his mob rightly convicted after 6 Jan isn't going to happen.. They (as the democrats and republicans before trump) carried out the duties and traditions of the losing party with dignity and that's something as we've seen is not within the psyche of trump.. The poster above is very on the money in relation to the pardons and commuting this far, what trump hasn't done is fully pardoned those at the top of the various militias which would be a step too far for many republican representatives.. I was also surprised by the pardons but didn't get emotional over it, I think it’s more constructive to focus on principles of fairness and proportionality, rather than leaning into hypothetical, extreme outcomes. Hence my question, should we apply this approach of extreme outcomes to every group going forward, rather than for the act they carried out personally? Some of those convicted might have been sentenced overly harshly, others should have not received a pardon, my point being they were not all proud boys. This approach is why in my opinion we have so much hysteria flying around right now. As for the Dems not giving out pardons and being above the law, (if that is what you mean) Take a look at Biden's pardon's, but to those in a frenzy it is a fine to protect them from Trump and brush away the pardons as needed. Some might get emotional but tbh it doesn't often alter the valid points they might raise, as with many issues or subjects.. I'm a bit traditional in that if the same actions were carried out here for whatever reason (not suggesting there would be) on what is the seat of government by people who attack the police who we have expectations of to protect such places then that can't be pardoned .. Unlike other regimes which are totalitarian and deserve overthrowing as their treatment of the general population by any accepted norms is barbaric.. I'm not talking about general pardons which yes has become a bad but inevitable habit.. No one else but trump would have verbally said 'proud boys, stand by'.. And his actions as the attack on the capitol were clear to see fell woefully short, the consequences for many elected representatives and not only democrats without the brave police, secret service and others literally stopped an escalation and a situation out of control.. To call people hostages and then let them all free who were convicted by the laws in the constitution sets a dangerous precedent .. I get what you are saying but that is simply Trump being Trump, he has abused the system openly and shouted about it. As I said the blanket pardons were not good, but it doesn't mean to say nobody should have received a pardon. I'm repeating my post above, but Biden in my opinion has done exactly the same thing, abused the system, with the only difference being the 2 men and who supports who. Biden would not have used the same tactics to almost encourage armed militia to attend the capitol on the day.. Now would any other leader of either party after they lost an election.. Diluting the actions on the 6th Jan into a yeah but they all do it is not how history will judge it.. We need to agree to disagree on this.." That is not my point, they have both misused their powers to get what they want and both above the law. If people are going to shout from the rooftops about Trump's use of pardons, they should in my opinion be prepared to shout about Biden's. I will repeat, letting everyone out of jail for their involvement in Jan 6th was not something I agree with, nor is Biden's blanket pardons to his family and others. | |||
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"Pardoning the Jan 6 Rioters is handing them tacit approval that their actions in storming the Capital building "in the pursuit of their aims" are quite ok. That their conflict with law enforcement was ok. That their wanton damage and destructions was ok. It's supportive of these semi-para-military groups. It hands them power. It makes them feel justified and protected. Emboldens. . My fear is that they will find "other targets". People not like them. And that covers a very broad spectrum. . Light paper. Stand back. Watch the fireworks fly. Because the POTUS has "got your back". . Facilitating a minority group, a group with easily-obtainable access to weapons, and an ideological axe to grind, seems like a classic element of provoking internal conflict in a grand scale to me. . If you watched "Civil War" by Alex Garland, then you'll recognise the "paramilitary" group at one point in the film (loading bodies in to pits). Because that is how these things "unfold". I was surprised at the pardons, but not overly emotional. Can we apply your thinking to all protests going forward and their supporters and backers? If you mean in the future when there's a democrat in the white house, then no I doubt very much that the privilege of being above the law by trump to his mob rightly convicted after 6 Jan isn't going to happen.. They (as the democrats and republicans before trump) carried out the duties and traditions of the losing party with dignity and that's something as we've seen is not within the psyche of trump.. The poster above is very on the money in relation to the pardons and commuting this far, what trump hasn't done is fully pardoned those at the top of the various militias which would be a step too far for many republican representatives.. I was also surprised by the pardons but didn't get emotional over it, I think it’s more constructive to focus on principles of fairness and proportionality, rather than leaning into hypothetical, extreme outcomes. Hence my question, should we apply this approach of extreme outcomes to every group going forward, rather than for the act they carried out personally? Some of those convicted might have been sentenced overly harshly, others should have not received a pardon, my point being they were not all proud boys. This approach is why in my opinion we have so much hysteria flying around right now. As for the Dems not giving out pardons and being above the law, (if that is what you mean) Take a look at Biden's pardon's, but to those in a frenzy it is a fine to protect them from Trump and brush away the pardons as needed. Some might get emotional but tbh it doesn't often alter the valid points they might raise, as with many issues or subjects.. I'm a bit traditional in that if the same actions were carried out here for whatever reason (not suggesting there would be) on what is the seat of government by people who attack the police who we have expectations of to protect such places then that can't be pardoned .. Unlike other regimes which are totalitarian and deserve overthrowing as their treatment of the general population by any accepted norms is barbaric.. I'm not talking about general pardons which yes has become a bad but inevitable habit.. No one else but trump would have verbally said 'proud boys, stand by'.. And his actions as the attack on the capitol were clear to see fell woefully short, the consequences for many elected representatives and not only democrats without the brave police, secret service and others literally stopped an escalation and a situation out of control.. To call people hostages and then let them all free who were convicted by the laws in the constitution sets a dangerous precedent .. I get what you are saying but that is simply Trump being Trump, he has abused the system openly and shouted about it. As I said the blanket pardons were not good, but it doesn't mean to say nobody should have received a pardon. I'm repeating my post above, but Biden in my opinion has done exactly the same thing, abused the system, with the only difference being the 2 men and who supports who. Biden would not have used the same tactics to almost encourage armed militia to attend the capitol on the day.. Now would any other leader of either party after they lost an election.. Diluting the actions on the 6th Jan into a yeah but they all do it is not how history will judge it.. We need to agree to disagree on this.. That is not my point, they have both misused their powers to get what they want and both above the law. If people are going to shout from the rooftops about Trump's use of pardons, they should in my opinion be prepared to shout about Biden's. I will repeat, letting everyone out of jail for their involvement in Jan 6th was not something I agree with, nor is Biden's blanket pardons to his family and others." I said above that the trend of both sides doing the general pardoning is bad.. So I'm not sure why you feet the need to add what you did about rooftops.. I've clearly set aside those and made my point as I stated on the Jan 6 convictions.. And I'm not saying you haven't said that.. And with that on this with you I'm out.. | |||
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"Anyone entering the US illegally is to be returned without being able to request asylum. The UK should do the same There is (a very few exceptions aside) no way to claim asylum in the U.K without entering ‘illegally’ So let's legalise illegality? " Let’s create legal routes, and process arrivals and deportations properly, and prevent the bast majority of small boat crossings in the first place - which has the double whammy effect of crippling the trade of the bastards who smuggle people. | |||
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"Anyone entering the US illegally is to be returned without being able to request asylum. The UK should do the same There is (a very few exceptions aside) no way to claim asylum in the U.K without entering ‘illegally’ So let's legalise illegality? Let’s create legal routes, and process arrivals and deportations properly, and prevent the bast majority of small boat crossings in the first place - which has the double whammy effect of crippling the trade of the bastards who smuggle people. " All fine with me...but until then, it's illegal and that's that | |||
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