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"The number of missed chances to stop this evil individual is appalling. I'm also conflicted over government / police lack of transparency in relation to the information known. They knew he was reported to the counter terrorism programme, Prevent, 3 times. They had evidence he was expressing interest in school shootings, in the London Bridge attack, the IRA, MI5 and the Middle East. He made ricin and had a terrorist training manual. He attacked and injured a fellow pupil and was visited by police 5 times for his violent behaviour. I'm not convinced the case would have been prejudiced had the police - government announced possible terrorist links. That level of transparency could have played a part to quell the riots, the rumours did the opposite and people were guessing rightly in some cases his background. I have read many times early on in investigations that there are links to terrorism, or details of a persons background, my question is why the lack of transparency and why did it take months to add making ricin and owning terrorist documents to the list charges.... What a mess "who knows why it was all hidden,my guess is people are covering there arses,also like to know who let the evil little shitbags parents stay here and where there backgrounds fully known,the little fuckwit has been an evil little shit from the age of 12 or 13 by sounds of it,he has learnt it from somewhere | |||
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"The number of missed chances to stop this evil individual is appalling. I'm also conflicted over government / police lack of transparency in relation to the information known. They knew he was reported to the counter terrorism programme, Prevent, 3 times. They had evidence he was expressing interest in school shootings, in the London Bridge attack, the IRA, MI5 and the Middle East. He made ricin and had a terrorist training manual. He attacked and injured a fellow pupil and was visited by police 5 times for his violent behaviour. I'm not convinced the case would have been prejudiced had the police - government announced possible terrorist links. That level of transparency could have played a part to quell the riots, the rumours did the opposite and people were guessing rightly in some cases his background. I have read many times early on in investigations that there are links to terrorism, or details of a persons background, my question is why the lack of transparency and why did it take months to add making ricin and owning terrorist documents to the list charges.... What a mess who knows why it was all hidden,my guess is people are covering there arses,also like to know who let the evil little shitbags parents stay here and where there backgrounds fully known,the little fuckwit has been an evil little shit from the age of 12 or 13 by sounds of it,he has learnt it from somewhere"I agree, and I think he had a handler. The reason being he kept getting let off the hook. Someone was pulling strings. I don't think we'll ever get the truth. | |||
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" They knew he was reported to the counter terrorism programme, Prevent, 3 times. They had evidence he was expressing interest in school shootings, in the London Bridge attack, the IRA, MI5 and the Middle East. He made ricin and had a terrorist training manual. He attacked and injured a fellow pupil and was visited by police 5 times for his violent behaviour. " Pretty sure they must have some threshold beyond which they usually take action. Not sure expressing interest in school shootings, terror attacks itself warrants action. But making ricin and buying weapons should have raised the alarms immediately. Signs of terrible incompetence from the departments whose job is to ensure security of people. | |||
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" They knew he was reported to the counter terrorism programme, Prevent, 3 times. They had evidence he was expressing interest in school shootings, in the London Bridge attack, the IRA, MI5 and the Middle East. He made ricin and had a terrorist training manual. He attacked and injured a fellow pupil and was visited by police 5 times for his violent behaviour. Pretty sure they must have some threshold beyond which they usually take action. Not sure expressing interest in school shootings, terror attacks itself warrants action. But making ricin and buying weapons should have raised the alarms immediately. Signs of terrible incompetence from the departments whose job is to ensure security of people." Certainly had the system known about the ricin and the IS stuff I'm pretty sure they would have acted, I really do hope that till he was arrested for his vile acts at the kids club that those red flags weren't known.. There's been a cpl of youngsters locked up lately who were it seems like minded in relation to planning terrorist actions etc.. The amount of kids below any such radars be that these issues or those into grooming others to commit suicide on top of the ones involved in abuse is a sad sign of the times.. | |||
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" but the plain truth is that the perpetrator had no place in our country in the first place. THAT failing is squarely on the shoulder of politicians of all parties." Where was he born? | |||
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" but the plain truth is that the perpetrator had no place in our country in the first place. THAT failing is squarely on the shoulder of politicians of all parties. Where was he born? " Cardiff | |||
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" but the plain truth is that the perpetrator had no place in our country in the first place. THAT failing is squarely on the shoulder of politicians of all parties. Where was he born? Cardiff " Exactly. There were myriad failings in this tragedy, but he was a British citizen. A British failing through and through. | |||
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"His father was a warlord in Rwanda during the genocides had to flee when it all ended and was granted asylum by the UK Government even though they knew who and what he was. Now the mother and father are moved to a secret location by the police for their safety. This smells of MI6 obviously services were rendered on behalf of the UK Government in Rwanda and now they are doing their utmost to protect this person" Apart from the fact he was a Tutsi, the ones who were slaughtered, and actually fled with his wife before the killings began. | |||
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"His father was a warlord in Rwanda during the genocides had to flee when it all ended and was granted asylum by the UK Government even though they knew who and what he was. Now the mother and father are moved to a secret location by the police for their safety. This smells of MI6 obviously services were rendered on behalf of the UK Government in Rwanda and now they are doing their utmost to protect this person Apart from the fact he was a Tutsi, the ones who were slaughtered, and actually fled with his wife before the killings began." how do you know this as far as I'm aware they haven't released any info about them,not saying what the other poster has said is true,but I haven't seen anything in the press about the family other than they are Rwandan,not seen anything about them fleeing before the genocide began | |||
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"His father was a warlord in Rwanda during the genocides had to flee when it all ended and was granted asylum by the UK Government even though they knew who and what he was. Now the mother and father are moved to a secret location by the police for their safety. This smells of MI6 obviously services were rendered on behalf of the UK Government in Rwanda and now they are doing their utmost to protect this person Apart from the fact he was a Tutsi, the ones who were slaughtered, and actually fled with his wife before the killings began.how do you know this as far as I'm aware they haven't released any info about them,not saying what the other poster has said is true,but I haven't seen anything in the press about the family other than they are Rwandan,not seen anything about them fleeing before the genocide began" From the Daily Mail. | |||
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"His father was a warlord in Rwanda during the genocides had to flee when it all ended and was granted asylum by the UK Government even though they knew who and what he was. Now the mother and father are moved to a secret location by the police for their safety. This smells of MI6 obviously services were rendered on behalf of the UK Government in Rwanda and now they are doing their utmost to protect this person Apart from the fact he was a Tutsi, the ones who were slaughtered, and actually fled with his wife before the killings began.how do you know this as far as I'm aware they haven't released any info about them,not saying what the other poster has said is true,but I haven't seen anything in the press about the family other than they are Rwandan,not seen anything about them fleeing before the genocide began From the Daily Mail." oooo the daily mail carefull apparently if you use that as a source on here certain posters will ridicule you, thats not usually allowed as a reliable source round these parts lol | |||
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"The number of missed chances to stop this evil individual is appalling. I'm also conflicted over government / police lack of transparency in relation to the information known. They knew he was reported to the counter terrorism programme, Prevent, 3 times. They had evidence he was expressing interest in school shootings, in the London Bridge attack, the IRA, MI5 and the Middle East. He made ricin and had a terrorist training manual. He attacked and injured a fellow pupil and was visited by police 5 times for his violent behaviour. I'm not convinced the case would have been prejudiced had the police - government announced possible terrorist links. That level of transparency could have played a part to quell the riots, the rumours did the opposite and people were guessing rightly in some cases his background. I have read many times early on in investigations that there are links to terrorism, or details of a persons background, my question is why the lack of transparency and why did it take months to add making ricin and owning terrorist documents to the list charges.... What a mess "I'm late to the party... Having completed Prevent mandatory training, and knowing this was process was utilised three times, THREE, it's abhorrent nothing was done. It's like the whistle blower in the Rotherham grooming cases. We have these safety nets... they get used... then... then bloody nothing! There would have been an uproar if the govt did not agree to an inquiry. | |||
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" but the plain truth is that the perpetrator had no place in our country in the first place. THAT failing is squarely on the shoulder of politicians of all parties. Where was he born? Cardiff " So short of blocking up the Severn Bridge… I wonder what certain people are alluding to! I suppose that one of the things now, which the rise of certain politicians, people are emboldened that they can say these things If we knew straight away then what we know now, do you think we would have had the Farage and musk social media led riots? People put stuff out there and then tried to walk back the carnage These was a kid here, just a year older than this monster, that got a life sentence for planning a mass murder attempt on Newcastle college, where there would have been guns involved and blowing up the building! It feels sometimes like the family guy meme where they hold up the colour chart… it has mental health issues at the top, and terrorist at the bottom… and the shades get darker the farther you go  | |||
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" but the plain truth is that the perpetrator had no place in our country in the first place. THAT failing is squarely on the shoulder of politicians of all parties. Where was he born? Cardiff So short of blocking up the Severn Bridge… I wonder what certain people are alluding to! I suppose that one of the things now, which the rise of certain politicians, people are emboldened that they can say these things If we knew straight away then what we know now, do you think we would have had the Farage and musk social media led riots? People put stuff out there and then tried to walk back the carnage These was a kid here, just a year older than this monster, that got a life sentence for planning a mass murder attempt on Newcastle college, where there would have been guns involved and blowing up the building! It feels sometimes like the family guy meme where they hold up the colour chart… it has mental health issues at the top, and terrorist at the bottom… and the shades get darker the farther you go "I think the government and security forces misjudged their handling of information completely which played right into the rumour mill. Local people would have seen him and talked about what they witnessed, posting online for it to be picked up by others who then go onto add more and more thoughts without substance. That could have been contained and it needs to be understood for future incidents. I became aware a while back that the official updates from police began to start with it is not thought to be terror related. People read a lot into these updates and really believe the police are lying to them. | |||
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" I became aware a while back that the official updates from police began to start with it is not thought to be terror related. People read a lot into these updates and really believe the police are lying to them." If the police say something and people doubt it - why is this happening? Some will say ‘it’s because the authorities can’t be trusted’ - but that’s potentially based upon the individual falling down a robot hole of ‘independent media’ and nonsense online, poisoned to make them doubt everything they hear. | |||
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"His father was a warlord in Rwanda during the genocides had to flee when it all ended and was granted asylum by the UK Government even though they knew who and what he was. Now the mother and father are moved to a secret location by the police for their safety. This smells of MI6 obviously services were rendered on behalf of the UK Government in Rwanda and now they are doing their utmost to protect this person Apart from the fact he was a Tutsi, the ones who were slaughtered, and actually fled with his wife before the killings began.how do you know this as far as I'm aware they haven't released any info about them,not saying what the other poster has said is true,but I haven't seen anything in the press about the family other than they are Rwandan,not seen anything about them fleeing before the genocide began From the Daily Mail.oooo the daily mail carefull apparently if you use that as a source on here certain posters will ridicule you, thats not usually allowed as a reliable source round these parts lol" Microsoft fact checkers and Wikipedia won’t allow the Mail to be used as a source because 51% of stories are false or misleading. If the Mail is your main source of news, you are by definition misinformed. Be careful what you believe in it. This isn’t ridicule, I just want us all as well informed as possible and not manipulated by tax avoiding liers. | |||
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"I became aware a while back that the official updates from police began to start with it is not thought to be terror related. People read a lot into these updates and really believe the police are lying to them." Indeed. And this is endemic and prolific across the whole of society now. The erosion of trust across every single aspect of our lives. - Loss of trust in governments - Loss of trust in law enforcement - Loss of trust in any form of media - Loss of trust in public bodies - Loss of trust in private business - Loss of trust in social groups - Loss of trust in peer groups - Loss of trust in ourselves . It's a bit of a mess, really. | |||
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"I became aware a while back that the official updates from police began to start with it is not thought to be terror related. People read a lot into these updates and really believe the police are lying to them. Indeed. And this is endemic and prolific across the whole of society now. The erosion of trust across every single aspect of our lives. - Loss of trust in governments - Loss of trust in law enforcement - Loss of trust in any form of media - Loss of trust in public bodies - Loss of trust in private business - Loss of trust in social groups - Loss of trust in peer groups - Loss of trust in ourselves . It's a bit of a mess, really. " Since 2010, believers in ‘flat earth’ have been growing in number. We’re becoming dumber, over reliant upon ‘independent (unregulated) media’ and the fake-news outlets are winning the battle. | |||
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"I became aware a while back that the official updates from police began to start with it is not thought to be terror related. People read a lot into these updates and really believe the police are lying to them. Indeed. And this is endemic and prolific across the whole of society now. The erosion of trust across every single aspect of our lives. - Loss of trust in governments - Loss of trust in law enforcement - Loss of trust in any form of media - Loss of trust in public bodies - Loss of trust in private business - Loss of trust in social groups - Loss of trust in peer groups - Loss of trust in ourselves . It's a bit of a mess, really. " I agree 
I feel it is a symptom of connectivity.
We still don't understand how to manage global connectivity as the internet and services develop, we left human impact at the door.
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"I didn't hear/read the summing up, so I ask you, was he a lone wolf interested in acts of terror or was there evidence of terrorist activity? I scanned through the other thread and it appears to me people are assuming the latter. To what extent did the judge state mental health issues played a part? Or has he been labelled a sociopath?" Sounds like he should be in Broadmoor? | |||
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"I didn't hear/read the summing up, so I ask you, was he a lone wolf interested in acts of terror or was there evidence of terrorist activity? I scanned through the other thread and it appears to me people are assuming the latter. To what extent did the judge state mental health issues played a part? Or has he been labelled a sociopath?" You can see the summing up on You Tube. | |||
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"I didn't hear/read the summing up, so I ask you, was he a lone wolf interested in acts of terror or was there evidence of terrorist activity? I scanned through the other thread and it appears to me people are assuming the latter. To what extent did the judge state mental health issues played a part? Or has he been labelled a sociopath? You can see the summing up on You Tube." Just watched it. Have read that someone has appealed the sentencing as unduly lenient. I cannot see that it is. The judge clearly stated K would have been sentenced to a whole life term had he been an adult when he committed the atrocities so the 52 year minimum sentence is the "discount" of age and guilty plea. | |||
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"I didn't hear/read the summing up, so I ask you, was he a lone wolf interested in acts of terror or was there evidence of terrorist activity? I scanned through the other thread and it appears to me people are assuming the latter. To what extent did the judge state mental health issues played a part? Or has he been labelled a sociopath? You can see the summing up on You Tube. Just watched it. Have read that someone has appealed the sentencing as unduly lenient. I cannot see that it is. The judge clearly stated K would have been sentenced to a whole life term had he been an adult when he committed the atrocities so the 52 year minimum sentence is the "discount" of age and guilty plea. " From a technical standpoint the only place I think the judge could be perceived to be lenient is that he gave the kid the full 30% discount for pleading guilty before trial, but because he charged his plea from not guilty to guilty on the day the trial was supposed to start, in those cases the judge can lower the discount to 10% However….. Because of stuff that was not made publicly aware before the trial (the ricin plot) he got a lot more “multipliers” than if it was just a murder trial… so it almost evened itself out! I was surprised to hear he was being held at belmarsh rather than broadmoor… | |||
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"I didn't hear/read the summing up, so I ask you, was he a lone wolf interested in acts of terror or was there evidence of terrorist activity? I scanned through the other thread and it appears to me people are assuming the latter. To what extent did the judge state mental health issues played a part? Or has he been labelled a sociopath? You can see the summing up on You Tube. Just watched it. Have read that someone has appealed the sentencing as unduly lenient. I cannot see that it is. The judge clearly stated K would have been sentenced to a whole life term had he been an adult when he committed the atrocities so the 52 year minimum sentence is the "discount" of age and guilty plea. From a technical standpoint the only place I think the judge could be perceived to be lenient is that he gave the kid the full 30% discount for pleading guilty before trial, but because he charged his plea from not guilty to guilty on the day the trial was supposed to start, in those cases the judge can lower the discount to 10% However….. Because of stuff that was not made publicly aware before the trial (the ricin plot) he got a lot more “multipliers” than if it was just a murder trial… so it almost evened itself out! I was surprised to hear he was being held at belmarsh rather than broadmoor… " He was not found to have any serious mental health issues so why would he be held in Broadmoor ? | |||
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"I didn't hear/read the summing up, so I ask you, was he a lone wolf interested in acts of terror or was there evidence of terrorist activity? I scanned through the other thread and it appears to me people are assuming the latter. To what extent did the judge state mental health issues played a part? Or has he been labelled a sociopath? You can see the summing up on You Tube. Just watched it. Have read that someone has appealed the sentencing as unduly lenient. I cannot see that it is. The judge clearly stated K would have been sentenced to a whole life term had he been an adult when he committed the atrocities so the 52 year minimum sentence is the "discount" of age and guilty plea. From a technical standpoint the only place I think the judge could be perceived to be lenient is that he gave the kid the full 30% discount for pleading guilty before trial, but because he charged his plea from not guilty to guilty on the day the trial was supposed to start, in those cases the judge can lower the discount to 10% However….. Because of stuff that was not made publicly aware before the trial (the ricin plot) he got a lot more “multipliers” than if it was just a murder trial… so it almost evened itself out! I was surprised to hear he was being held at belmarsh rather than broadmoor… He was not found to have any serious mental health issues so why would he be held in Broadmoor ?" Yet had a history with NHS mental health services? | |||
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"I didn't hear/read the summing up, so I ask you, was he a lone wolf interested in acts of terror or was there evidence of terrorist activity? I scanned through the other thread and it appears to me people are assuming the latter. To what extent did the judge state mental health issues played a part? Or has he been labelled a sociopath? You can see the summing up on You Tube. Just watched it. Have read that someone has appealed the sentencing as unduly lenient. I cannot see that it is. The judge clearly stated K would have been sentenced to a whole life term had he been an adult when he committed the atrocities so the 52 year minimum sentence is the "discount" of age and guilty plea. From a technical standpoint the only place I think the judge could be perceived to be lenient is that he gave the kid the full 30% discount for pleading guilty before trial, but because he charged his plea from not guilty to guilty on the day the trial was supposed to start, in those cases the judge can lower the discount to 10% However….. Because of stuff that was not made publicly aware before the trial (the ricin plot) he got a lot more “multipliers” than if it was just a murder trial… so it almost evened itself out! I was surprised to hear he was being held at belmarsh rather than broadmoor… He was not found to have any serious mental health issues so why would he be held in Broadmoor ? Yet had a history with NHS mental health services? " No doubt he tried to con the system to excuse his violence but he was examined by psychiatrists and found fit to stand trial and plead. He offered no defence of diminished responsibility so being sent to a psychiatric prison would never have been an option. | |||
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"I didn't hear/read the summing up, so I ask you, was he a lone wolf interested in acts of terror or was there evidence of terrorist activity? I scanned through the other thread and it appears to me people are assuming the latter. To what extent did the judge state mental health issues played a part? Or has he been labelled a sociopath? You can see the summing up on You Tube. Just watched it. Have read that someone has appealed the sentencing as unduly lenient. I cannot see that it is. The judge clearly stated K would have been sentenced to a whole life term had he been an adult when he committed the atrocities so the 52 year minimum sentence is the "discount" of age and guilty plea. From a technical standpoint the only place I think the judge could be perceived to be lenient is that he gave the kid the full 30% discount for pleading guilty before trial, but because he charged his plea from not guilty to guilty on the day the trial was supposed to start, in those cases the judge can lower the discount to 10% However….. Because of stuff that was not made publicly aware before the trial (the ricin plot) he got a lot more “multipliers” than if it was just a murder trial… so it almost evened itself out! I was surprised to hear he was being held at belmarsh rather than broadmoor… He was not found to have any serious mental health issues so why would he be held in Broadmoor ? Yet had a history with NHS mental health services? No doubt he tried to con the system to excuse his violence but he was examined by psychiatrists and found fit to stand trial and plead. He offered no defence of diminished responsibility so being sent to a psychiatric prison would never have been an option." He was referred to mental health after taking a knife to school aged 13 saying he intended to use it. He was under the team for 4 years. How can anyone say his mental health isn't connected? Missed red flags? Did his health deteriorate when he stopped engaging with the team? Should he have been sectioned? | |||
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"I didn't hear/read the summing up, so I ask you, was he a lone wolf interested in acts of terror or was there evidence of terrorist activity? I scanned through the other thread and it appears to me people are assuming the latter. To what extent did the judge state mental health issues played a part? Or has he been labelled a sociopath? You can see the summing up on You Tube. Just watched it. Have read that someone has appealed the sentencing as unduly lenient. I cannot see that it is. The judge clearly stated K would have been sentenced to a whole life term had he been an adult when he committed the atrocities so the 52 year minimum sentence is the "discount" of age and guilty plea. From a technical standpoint the only place I think the judge could be perceived to be lenient is that he gave the kid the full 30% discount for pleading guilty before trial, but because he charged his plea from not guilty to guilty on the day the trial was supposed to start, in those cases the judge can lower the discount to 10% However….. Because of stuff that was not made publicly aware before the trial (the ricin plot) he got a lot more “multipliers” than if it was just a murder trial… so it almost evened itself out! I was surprised to hear he was being held at belmarsh rather than broadmoor… He was not found to have any serious mental health issues so why would he be held in Broadmoor ? Yet had a history with NHS mental health services? No doubt he tried to con the system to excuse his violence but he was examined by psychiatrists and found fit to stand trial and plead. He offered no defence of diminished responsibility so being sent to a psychiatric prison would never have been an option. He was referred to mental health after taking a knife to school aged 13 saying he intended to use it. He was under the team for 4 years. How can anyone say his mental health isn't connected? Missed red flags? Did his health deteriorate when he stopped engaging with the team? Should he have been sectioned?" Having mental health issues does not exclude someone from criminal responsibility or mean they go to a psychiatric hospital to serve their sentence. That is a much higher bar which clearly was not met in this case. | |||
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"I didn't hear/read the summing up, so I ask you, was he a lone wolf interested in acts of terror or was there evidence of terrorist activity? I scanned through the other thread and it appears to me people are assuming the latter. To what extent did the judge state mental health issues played a part? Or has he been labelled a sociopath? You can see the summing up on You Tube. Just watched it. Have read that someone has appealed the sentencing as unduly lenient. I cannot see that it is. The judge clearly stated K would have been sentenced to a whole life term had he been an adult when he committed the atrocities so the 52 year minimum sentence is the "discount" of age and guilty plea. From a technical standpoint the only place I think the judge could be perceived to be lenient is that he gave the kid the full 30% discount for pleading guilty before trial, but because he charged his plea from not guilty to guilty on the day the trial was supposed to start, in those cases the judge can lower the discount to 10% However….. Because of stuff that was not made publicly aware before the trial (the ricin plot) he got a lot more “multipliers” than if it was just a murder trial… so it almost evened itself out! I was surprised to hear he was being held at belmarsh rather than broadmoor… He was not found to have any serious mental health issues so why would he be held in Broadmoor ? Yet had a history with NHS mental health services? No doubt he tried to con the system to excuse his violence but he was examined by psychiatrists and found fit to stand trial and plead. He offered no defence of diminished responsibility so being sent to a psychiatric prison would never have been an option. He was referred to mental health after taking a knife to school aged 13 saying he intended to use it. He was under the team for 4 years. How can anyone say his mental health isn't connected? Missed red flags? Did his health deteriorate when he stopped engaging with the team? Should he have been sectioned? Having mental health issues does not exclude someone from criminal responsibility or mean they go to a psychiatric hospital to serve their sentence. That is a much higher bar which clearly was not met in this case." I'm not querying culpability or place of incarceration, but whether this could have been a never event | |||
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"I didn't hear/read the summing up, so I ask you, was he a lone wolf interested in acts of terror or was there evidence of terrorist activity? I scanned through the other thread and it appears to me people are assuming the latter. To what extent did the judge state mental health issues played a part? Or has he been labelled a sociopath? You can see the summing up on You Tube. Just watched it. Have read that someone has appealed the sentencing as unduly lenient. I cannot see that it is. The judge clearly stated K would have been sentenced to a whole life term had he been an adult when he committed the atrocities so the 52 year minimum sentence is the "discount" of age and guilty plea. From a technical standpoint the only place I think the judge could be perceived to be lenient is that he gave the kid the full 30% discount for pleading guilty before trial, but because he charged his plea from not guilty to guilty on the day the trial was supposed to start, in those cases the judge can lower the discount to 10% However….. Because of stuff that was not made publicly aware before the trial (the ricin plot) he got a lot more “multipliers” than if it was just a murder trial… so it almost evened itself out! I was surprised to hear he was being held at belmarsh rather than broadmoor… He was not found to have any serious mental health issues so why would he be held in Broadmoor ? Yet had a history with NHS mental health services? No doubt he tried to con the system to excuse his violence but he was examined by psychiatrists and found fit to stand trial and plead. He offered no defence of diminished responsibility so being sent to a psychiatric prison would never have been an option. He was referred to mental health after taking a knife to school aged 13 saying he intended to use it. He was under the team for 4 years. How can anyone say his mental health isn't connected? Missed red flags? Did his health deteriorate when he stopped engaging with the team? Should he have been sectioned? Having mental health issues does not exclude someone from criminal responsibility or mean they go to a psychiatric hospital to serve their sentence. That is a much higher bar which clearly was not met in this case. I'm not querying culpability or place of incarceration, but whether this could have been a never event "Clearly there were multiple opportunities to address his persistent violence which were not taken. | |||
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" There are on average 120 families bereaved as a result mental health homicides in the UK each year – around 20% of the total number of unlawful killings in the country each year – and the evidence shows that very many of these killings could have been prevented had the perpetrator received more timely and effective mental health care and treatment. " Hundred Families pdf 2015 | |||
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