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"The Times reports that 40% of solar panels used in UK are linked to forced labour camps in China. And in 25 years they'll be in landfill. Another Net Zero Win ! 🌞" Oy! Can't let human rights get in the way of Rachel from accounts! But we've been on trade deals with the likes of Saudis, Oman etc so who cares | |||
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"Always wondered,if connected to the grid, just how much of the power produced,from a home installation, actually gets to be used" An awful lot of it, esp if you have battery and load shift when you can as well. My house system generated around 5000kw last year to use, recharge or sell to grid.  | |||
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"Always wondered,if connected to the grid, just how much of the power produced,from a home installation, actually gets to be used An awful lot of it, esp if you have battery and load shift when you can as well. My house system generated around 5000kw last year to use, recharge or sell to grid. "Whoa, you're not supposed to come up with anything positive in this forum. | |||
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"As we get poorer, colder, have less reliable energy security and possibly reduce our carbon emissions by 0.5%, China will get richer, have much more reliable energy security and their carbon emissions will continue to increase… Britains net zero race is just shifting the reported problem from one place to another. We produce approx 1% of global emissions. Red Ed and is maniac policies will not benefit us, they will just benefit the likes of China. He was utterly useless as a Labour Leader, he is utterly useless to n his current role. " Can't argue with any of that  | |||
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"Always wondered,if connected to the grid, just how much of the power produced,from a home installation, actually gets to be used An awful lot of it, esp if you have battery and load shift when you can as well. My house system generated around 5000kw last year to use, recharge or sell to grid. "And you spent how much to get that installed | |||
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"As we get poorer, colder, have less reliable energy security and possibly reduce our carbon emissions by 0.5%, China will get richer, have much more reliable energy security and their carbon emissions will continue to increase… Britains net zero race is just shifting the reported problem from one place to another. We produce approx 1% of global emissions. Red Ed and is maniac policies will not benefit us, they will just benefit the likes of China. He was utterly useless as a Labour Leader, he is utterly useless to n his current role. " Using solar power generate electricity is a key way for us to become more energy independent and it can reduce bills. The UK has historically been a contributor to global heating and so we have historical and current damage to redress. We also globally need to mitigate the level of global heating harm. The only limits to harm are what humans create | |||
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"As we get poorer, colder, have less reliable energy security and possibly reduce our carbon emissions by 0.5%, China will get richer, have much more reliable energy security and their carbon emissions will continue to increase… Britains net zero race is just shifting the reported problem from one place to another. We produce approx 1% of global emissions. Red Ed and is maniac policies will not benefit us, they will just benefit the likes of China. He was utterly useless as a Labour Leader, he is utterly useless to n his current role. Using solar power generate electricity is a key way for us to become more energy independent and it can reduce bills. The UK has historically been a contributor to global heating and so we have historical and current damage to redress. We also globally need to mitigate the level of global heating harm. The only limits to harm are what humans create " But it isn't a "key way" for a country like the UK to become energy independent. In the summer months it can make a small contribution, in the winter it will create next to nothing. It's just a huge expense to save a miniscule amount of another miniscule amount. I'm not against solar per se. I even have it myself but like everything else there is a place for it and a place not for it. In sub tropical climates there is a good case but in cold, usually cloudy, wet and dark in the winter UK. It's nonsense. If it's independence you want then best get fracking. | |||
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" Using solar power generate electricity is a key way for us to become more energy independent and it can reduce bills. " proven | |||
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" Using solar power generate electricity is a key way for us to become more energy independent and it can reduce bills. proven "So we get them made by sl@ve labour in China ? | |||
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" Using solar power generate electricity is a key way for us to become more energy independent and it can reduce bills. proven
So we get them made by sl@ve labour in China ?"nope ... treforest | |||
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"The Times reports that 40% of solar panels used in UK are linked to forced labour camps in China. And in 25 years they'll be in landfill. Another Net Zero Win ! 🌞" Well I am shocked. Who would have guessed? Yeah, another Net Zero win. | |||
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"Always wondered,if connected to the grid, just how much of the power produced,from a home installation, actually gets to be used An awful lot of it, esp if you have battery and load shift when you can as well. My house system generated around 5000kw last year to use, recharge or sell to grid.
And you spent how much to get that installed "I have solar panels fitted years ago when feed in tariff payments were decent. Cost 7k install. Energy bills reduced and 50% of units produced paid back covered the costs and paying the install costs. Now install costs have been recovered last 5 years I'm covering energy costs and making circa £1500 per annum. More if we get a good summer. Happy days! | |||
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"Always wondered,if connected to the grid, just how much of the power produced,from a home installation, actually gets to be used An awful lot of it, esp if you have battery and load shift when you can as well. My house system generated around 5000kw last year to use, recharge or sell to grid.
And you spent how much to get that installed
I have solar panels fitted years ago when feed in tariff payments were decent. Cost 7k install. Energy bills reduced and 50% of units produced paid back covered the costs and paying the install costs. Now install costs have been recovered last 5 years I'm covering energy costs and making circa £1500 per annum. More if we get a good summer. Happy days!"Not for the s*ave labour. But wgaf about people? You're saving the planet and money. | |||
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"Always wondered,if connected to the grid, just how much of the power produced,from a home installation, actually gets to be used An awful lot of it, esp if you have battery and load shift when you can as well. My house system generated around 5000kw last year to use, recharge or sell to grid.
And you spent how much to get that installed
I have solar panels fitted years ago when feed in tariff payments were decent. Cost 7k install. Energy bills reduced and 50% of units produced paid back covered the costs and paying the install costs. Now install costs have been recovered last 5 years I'm covering energy costs and making circa £1500 per annum. More if we get a good summer. Happy days!
Not for the s*ave labour.
But wgaf about people? You're saving the planet and money."Do you ever have anything positive to say. Don't engage with me on the forums. | |||
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"As we get poorer, colder, have less reliable energy security and possibly reduce our carbon emissions by 0.5%, China will get richer, have much more reliable energy security and their carbon emissions will continue to increase… Britains net zero race is just shifting the reported problem from one place to another. We produce approx 1% of global emissions. Red Ed and is maniac policies will not benefit us, they will just benefit the likes of China. He was utterly useless as a Labour Leader, he is utterly useless to n his current role. " But you're missing the point. We need to save the planet. All those poor polar bears, penguins, salamanders, newts,worms,fish.... Didn't you get the memo? | |||
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" Using solar power generate electricity is a key way for us to become more energy independent and it can reduce bills. proven
So we get them made by sl@ve labour in China ?"Is this not how we get everything if it is cheep we are OK with that. Look at timu for example | |||
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" Using solar power generate electricity is a key way for us to become more energy independent and it can reduce bills. proven
So we get them made by sl@ve labour in China ?
Is this not how we get everything if it is cheep we are OK with that.
Look at timu for example "by the OP's own admission, 60% of solar panels are not made by forced labour or in china. conversely there's as large a percentage (if not more) of phones, tv sets, general tech (which over a 25 year period will find their way into landfill 4 times) along with fabric products such as off the peg fashion and general plastic tat which is made in china & by forced labour/child exploitation. yet the usual righty climate denying wierdos focus on solar panels rather than the everyday crap that this sort of wierdo righty consumer gorges on. | |||
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" Using solar power generate electricity is a key way for us to become more energy independent and it can reduce bills. proven
So we get them made by sl@ve labour in China ?
Is this not how we get everything if it is cheep we are OK with that.
Look at timu for example
by the OP's own admission, 60% of solar panels are not made by forced labour or in china.
conversely there's as large a percentage (if not more) of phones, tv sets, general tech (which over a 25 year period will find their way into landfill 4 times) along with fabric products such as off the peg fashion and general plastic tat which is made in china & by forced labour/child exploitation.
yet the usual righty climate denying wierdos focus on solar panels rather than the everyday crap that this sort of wierdo righty consumer gorges on."Nice try but the thread is about, yep you guessed it, solar panels. I suppose in some parallel universe it may be seen as weird to post about solar panels on a thread about solar panels. We could always start another thread about cheap Chinese tat and all the other shit that comes out of coal fired China. You know, all that stuff we used to make until the unhinged green lefty's figured out that they could still have all their toys and polish their halo's at the same time. Now that really is weird. | |||
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" Using solar power generate electricity is a key way for us to become more energy independent and it can reduce bills. proven
So we get them made by sl@ve labour in China ?
Is this not how we get everything if it is cheep we are OK with that.
Look at timu for example
by the OP's own admission, 60% of solar panels are not made by forced labour or in china.
conversely there's as large a percentage (if not more) of phones, tv sets, general tech (which over a 25 year period will find their way into landfill 4 times) along with fabric products such as off the peg fashion and general plastic tat which is made in china & by forced labour/child exploitation.
yet the usual righty climate denying wierdos focus on solar panels rather than the everyday crap that this sort of wierdo righty consumer gorges on.
Nice try but the thread is about, yep you guessed it, solar panels. I suppose in some parallel universe it may be seen as weird to post about solar panels on a thread about solar panels.
We could always start another thread about cheap Chinese tat and all the other shit that comes out of coal fired China.
You know, all that stuff we used to make until the unhinged green lefty's figured out that they could still have all their toys and polish their halo's at the same time.
Now that really is weird. "Businesses moved production abroad for the cheap labour, absolutely nothing to do with saving the planet. | |||
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" Using solar power generate electricity is a key way for us to become more energy independent and it can reduce bills. proven
So we get them made by sl@ve labour in China ?
Is this not how we get everything if it is cheep we are OK with that.
Look at timu for example
by the OP's own admission, 60% of solar panels are not made by forced labour or in china.
conversely there's as large a percentage (if not more) of phones, tv sets, general tech (which over a 25 year period will find their way into landfill 4 times) along with fabric products such as off the peg fashion and general plastic tat which is made in china & by forced labour/child exploitation.
yet the usual righty climate denying wierdos focus on solar panels rather than the everyday crap that this sort of wierdo righty consumer gorges on."Weird to say 'it's OK because over half aren't made using sl*ve labour'... | |||
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" Using solar power generate electricity is a key way for us to become more energy independent and it can reduce bills. proven
So we get them made by sl@ve labour in China ?
Is this not how we get everything if it is cheep we are OK with that.
Look at timu for example
by the OP's own admission, 60% of solar panels are not made by forced labour or in china.
conversely there's as large a percentage (if not more) of phones, tv sets, general tech (which over a 25 year period will find their way into landfill 4 times) along with fabric products such as off the peg fashion and general plastic tat which is made in china & by forced labour/child exploitation.
yet the usual righty climate denying wierdos focus on solar panels rather than the everyday crap that this sort of wierdo righty consumer gorges on.
Nice try but the thread is about, yep you guessed it, solar panels. I suppose in some parallel universe it may be seen as weird to post about solar panels on a thread about solar panels.
We could always start another thread about cheap Chinese tat and all the other shit that comes out of coal fired China.
You know, all that stuff we used to make until the unhinged green lefty's figured out that they could still have all their toys and polish their halo's at the same time.
Now that really is weird. "ok grandad  | |||
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"The Times reports that 40% of solar panels used in UK are linked to forced labour camps in China. And in 25 years they'll be in landfill. Another Net Zero Win ! 🌞" | |||
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"As we get poorer, colder, have less reliable energy security and possibly reduce our carbon emissions by 0.5%, China will get richer, have much more reliable energy security and their carbon emissions will continue to increase… Britains net zero race is just shifting the reported problem from one place to another. We produce approx 1% of global emissions. Red Ed and is maniac policies will not benefit us, they will just benefit the likes of China. He was utterly useless as a Labour Leader, he is utterly useless to n his current role. Using solar power generate electricity is a key way for us to become more energy independent and it can reduce bills. The UK has historically been a contributor to global heating and so we have historical and current damage to redress. We also globally need to mitigate the level of global heating harm. The only limits to harm are what humans create But it isn't a "key way" for a country like the UK to become energy independent. In the summer months it can make a small contribution, in the winter it will create next to nothing. It's just a huge expense to save a miniscule amount of another miniscule amount. I'm not against solar per se. I even have it myself but like everything else there is a place for it and a place not for it. In sub tropical climates there is a good case but in cold, usually cloudy, wet and dark in the winter UK. It's nonsense. If it's independence you want then best get fracking." Franking and Nuclear. | |||
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" Using solar power generate electricity is a key way for us to become more energy independent and it can reduce bills. proven
So we get them made by sl@ve labour in China ?
Is this not how we get everything if it is cheep we are OK with that.
Look at timu for example
by the OP's own admission, 60% of solar panels are not made by forced labour or in china.
conversely there's as large a percentage (if not more) of phones, tv sets, general tech (which over a 25 year period will find their way into landfill 4 times) along with fabric products such as off the peg fashion and general plastic tat which is made in china & by forced labour/child exploitation.
yet the usual righty climate denying wierdos focus on solar panels rather than the everyday crap that this sort of wierdo righty consumer gorges on.
Nice try but the thread is about, yep you guessed it, solar panels. I suppose in some parallel universe it may be seen as weird to post about solar panels on a thread about solar panels.
We could always start another thread about cheap Chinese tat and all the other shit that comes out of coal fired China.
You know, all that stuff we used to make until the unhinged green lefty's figured out that they could still have all their toys and polish their halo's at the same time.
Now that really is weird.
ok grandad "My first grandkid came along when I was....er..... The same age as you. Be careful what you wish for my fellow boomer. | |||
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" Using solar power generate electricity is a key way for us to become more energy independent and it can reduce bills. proven
So we get them made by sl@ve labour in China ?
Is this not how we get everything if it is cheep we are OK with that.
Look at timu for example
by the OP's own admission, 60% of solar panels are not made by forced labour or in china.
conversely there's as large a percentage (if not more) of phones, tv sets, general tech (which over a 25 year period will find their way into landfill 4 times) along with fabric products such as off the peg fashion and general plastic tat which is made in china & by forced labour/child exploitation.
yet the usual righty climate denying wierdos focus on solar panels rather than the everyday crap that this sort of wierdo righty consumer gorges on.
Nice try but the thread is about, yep you guessed it, solar panels. I suppose in some parallel universe it may be seen as weird to post about solar panels on a thread about solar panels.
We could always start another thread about cheap Chinese tat and all the other shit that comes out of coal fired China.
You know, all that stuff we used to make until the unhinged green lefty's figured out that they could still have all their toys and polish their halo's at the same time.
Now that really is weird.
ok grandad
My first grandkid came along when I was....er..... The same age as you.
Be careful what you wish for my fellow boomer. "i'm certainly not a boomer grandad | |||
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" Using solar power generate electricity is a key way for us to become more energy independent and it can reduce bills. proven
So we get them made by sl@ve labour in China ?
Is this not how we get everything if it is cheep we are OK with that.
Look at timu for example
by the OP's own admission, 60% of solar panels are not made by forced labour or in china.
conversely there's as large a percentage (if not more) of phones, tv sets, general tech (which over a 25 year period will find their way into landfill 4 times) along with fabric products such as off the peg fashion and general plastic tat which is made in china & by forced labour/child exploitation.
yet the usual righty climate denying wierdos focus on solar panels rather than the everyday crap that this sort of wierdo righty consumer gorges on.
Nice try but the thread is about, yep you guessed it, solar panels. I suppose in some parallel universe it may be seen as weird to post about solar panels on a thread about solar panels.
We could always start another thread about cheap Chinese tat and all the other shit that comes out of coal fired China.
You know, all that stuff we used to make until the unhinged green lefty's figured out that they could still have all their toys and polish their halo's at the same time.
Now that really is weird.
ok grandad
My first grandkid came along when I was....er..... The same age as you.
Be careful what you wish for my fellow boomer.
i'm certainly not a boomer grandad "Maybe not by exact definition but you are close enough and well old enough to be a grandad, maybe you are. You seem to think that I'm insulted by the term. I actually quite like it. I've got 2 lovely grandkids. But as in your previous incarnation(s) on here, when you run out of ideas you resort to childish perceived insults. Just shows you up as a bitter twisted lefty without an original thought in your head. Carry on, here I'll save you some typing, just copy and paste. Grandad, grandad, GRANDAD. Pick any one of the 3 versions depending on where in the sentence you want to put it. The shouty one is for when you really chuck your toys out of the pram. Meanwhile the real world beckons, pool cleaning duty next. Have a nice day.  | |||
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" Using solar power generate electricity is a key way for us to become more energy independent and it can reduce bills. proven
So we get them made by sl@ve labour in China ?
Is this not how we get everything if it is cheep we are OK with that.
Look at timu for example
by the OP's own admission, 60% of solar panels are not made by forced labour or in china.
conversely there's as large a percentage (if not more) of phones, tv sets, general tech (which over a 25 year period will find their way into landfill 4 times) along with fabric products such as off the peg fashion and general plastic tat which is made in china & by forced labour/child exploitation.
yet the usual righty climate denying wierdos focus on solar panels rather than the everyday crap that this sort of wierdo righty consumer gorges on.
Nice try but the thread is about, yep you guessed it, solar panels. I suppose in some parallel universe it may be seen as weird to post about solar panels on a thread about solar panels.
We could always start another thread about cheap Chinese tat and all the other shit that comes out of coal fired China.
You know, all that stuff we used to make until the unhinged green lefty's figured out that they could still have all their toys and polish their halo's at the same time.
Now that really is weird.
ok grandad
My first grandkid came along when I was....er..... The same age as you.
Be careful what you wish for my fellow boomer.
i'm certainly not a boomer grandad
Maybe not by exact definition but you are close enough and well old enough to be a grandad, maybe you are.
You seem to think that I'm insulted by the term. I actually quite like it. I've got 2 lovely grandkids.
But as in your previous incarnation(s) on here, when you run out of ideas you resort to childish perceived insults.
Just shows you up as a bitter twisted lefty without an original thought in your head.
Carry on, here I'll save you some typing, just copy and paste.
Grandad, grandad, GRANDAD. Pick any one of the 3 versions depending on where in the sentence you want to put it.
The shouty one is for when you really chuck your toys out of the pram.
Meanwhile the real world beckons, pool cleaning duty next.
Have a nice day. "calm down grandad, nurse is bringing you your plum pudding | |||
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"As we get poorer, colder, have less reliable energy security and possibly reduce our carbon emissions by 0.5%, China will get richer, have much more reliable energy security and their carbon emissions will continue to increase… Britains net zero race is just shifting the reported problem from one place to another. We produce approx 1% of global emissions. Red Ed and is maniac policies will not benefit us, they will just benefit the likes of China. He was utterly useless as a Labour Leader, he is utterly useless to n his current role. " We don't produce or manufacture much these days.... China makes all our shit for us... Therefore we have low emissions because China pollutes for us. | |||
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"As we get poorer, colder, have less reliable energy security and possibly reduce our carbon emissions by 0.5%, China will get richer, have much more reliable energy security and their carbon emissions will continue to increase… Britains net zero race is just shifting the reported problem from one place to another. We produce approx 1% of global emissions. Red Ed and is maniac policies will not benefit us, they will just benefit the likes of China. He was utterly useless as a Labour Leader, he is utterly useless to n his current role. We don't produce or manufacture much these days.... China makes all our shit for us... Therefore we have low emissions because China pollutes for us. " Which is what I've been saying for years.
If a millionaire keeps his money in an offshore account the left are jumping up and down with outrage.
If a country sends its pollution (and jobs) abroad they polish their halo and tell everyone they've saved the world. | |||
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"As we get poorer, colder, have less reliable energy security and possibly reduce our carbon emissions by 0.5%, China will get richer, have much more reliable energy security and their carbon emissions will continue to increase… Britains net zero race is just shifting the reported problem from one place to another. We produce approx 1% of global emissions. Red Ed and is maniac policies will not benefit us, they will just benefit the likes of China. He was utterly useless as a Labour Leader, he is utterly useless to n his current role. We don't produce or manufacture much these days.... China makes all our shit for us... Therefore we have low emissions because China pollutes for us. Which is what I've been saying for years.
If a millionaire keeps his money in an offshore account the left are jumping up and down with outrage.
If a country sends its pollution (and jobs) abroad they polish their halo and tell everyone they've saved the world."Is it a country that sends the jobs or the private sector increasing their profits with cheap labour? | |||
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"As we get poorer, colder, have less reliable energy security and possibly reduce our carbon emissions by 0.5%, China will get richer, have much more reliable energy security and their carbon emissions will continue to increase… Britains net zero race is just shifting the reported problem from one place to another. We produce approx 1% of global emissions. Red Ed and is maniac policies will not benefit us, they will just benefit the likes of China. He was utterly useless as a Labour Leader, he is utterly useless to n his current role. We don't produce or manufacture much these days.... China makes all our shit for us... Therefore we have low emissions because China pollutes for us. Which is what I've been saying for years.
If a millionaire keeps his money in an offshore account the left are jumping up and down with outrage.
If a country sends its pollution (and jobs) abroad they polish their halo and tell everyone they've saved the world.
Is it a country that sends the jobs or the private sector increasing their profits with cheap labour?"Or cheap (dirty) energy. One country taxes energy to save the world while another produces cheap energy to boost production. Energy tax = job tax. The law of unintended consequences. | |||
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"As we get poorer, colder, have less reliable energy security and possibly reduce our carbon emissions by 0.5%, China will get richer, have much more reliable energy security and their carbon emissions will continue to increase… Britains net zero race is just shifting the reported problem from one place to another. We produce approx 1% of global emissions. Red Ed and is maniac policies will not benefit us, they will just benefit the likes of China. He was utterly useless as a Labour Leader, he is utterly useless to n his current role. We don't produce or manufacture much these days.... China makes all our shit for us... Therefore we have low emissions because China pollutes for us. Which is what I've been saying for years.
If a millionaire keeps his money in an offshore account the left are jumping up and down with outrage.
If a country sends its pollution (and jobs) abroad they polish their halo and tell everyone they've saved the world.
Is it a country that sends the jobs or the private sector increasing their profits with cheap labour?
Or cheap (dirty) energy.
One country taxes energy to save the world while another produces cheap energy to boost production.
Energy tax = job tax.
The law of unintended consequences."We've been outsourcing since the 60s when it came to clothing etc, purely based on low wages in south Asia, but if it fits your argument you stick with your it's all down to energy mantra. | |||
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"As we get poorer, colder, have less reliable energy security and possibly reduce our carbon emissions by 0.5%, China will get richer, have much more reliable energy security and their carbon emissions will continue to increase… Britains net zero race is just shifting the reported problem from one place to another. We produce approx 1% of global emissions. Red Ed and is maniac policies will not benefit us, they will just benefit the likes of China. He was utterly useless as a Labour Leader, he is utterly useless to n his current role. We don't produce or manufacture much these days.... China makes all our shit for us... Therefore we have low emissions because China pollutes for us. Which is what I've been saying for years.
If a millionaire keeps his money in an offshore account the left are jumping up and down with outrage.
If a country sends its pollution (and jobs) abroad they polish their halo and tell everyone they've saved the world.
Is it a country that sends the jobs or the private sector increasing their profits with cheap labour?
Or cheap (dirty) energy.
One country taxes energy to save the world while another produces cheap energy to boost production.
Energy tax = job tax.
The law of unintended consequences.
We've been outsourcing since the 60s when it came to clothing etc, purely based on low wages in south Asia, but if it fits your argument you stick with your it's all down to energy mantra."I didn't say "all" about energy but, whether or not it suits you anti business mantra, it still makes up a sizeable chunk and there is a lot more involved than just clothing. Electric cars for the halo polishers would be just one example and not forgetting solar panels.  | |||
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"Has anyone spoken to a chinese s*ave directly, they may be very grateful to have the opportunity to work for a pittance if the chinese government are not an easy touch for hand outs." Fair point well made | |||
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"Toxic chemicals in solar panels so they can't be recycled and just go to landfill " I might be wrong but solar panels CAN be recycled. I don't think it happens on a large scale but that might change in the future. | |||
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"Toxic chemicals in solar panels so they can't be recycled and just go to landfill" Solar panels are mostly silicon, with a glass coating. They usually have an aluminium frame, and small amounts of copper and silver to conduct the electrical charges. There's nothing toxic there, and the components are easy to reclaim (though not recycle as high-purity silicon is needed for new panels). | |||
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"86% of world's solar panels made in China. US and Europe 2%. But think of all those fantastic green jobs and don't think about the carbon footprint of shipping them here. "China manufactor electric ships now to ship all these solar thingies around the world now. Progress | |||
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"86% of world's solar panels made in China. US and Europe 2%. But think of all those fantastic green jobs and don't think about the carbon footprint of shipping them here.
China manufactor electric ships now to ship all these solar thingies around the world now. Progress "Electricity generated by Chinese coal  | |||
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