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"What deal? Mrs x" There is a credible and concrete hostage release/prisoner swap deal on the table between Israel and Hamas, with an expectation that it will be finalised within hours or days and implemented pretty much immediately. Strong speculation suggests this is because Trump laid out an ultimatum for this issue to be finalised before he took office. | |||
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"What deal? Mrs x There is a credible and concrete hostage release/prisoner swap deal on the table between Israel and Hamas, with an expectation that it will be finalised within hours or days and implemented pretty much immediately. Strong speculation suggests this is because Trump laid out an ultimatum for this issue to be finalised before he took office." Saw him make the threat but didn't know there was any actual traction on this. Will Hamas get all of its conditions it said it needed, from Israel, to release the hostages or do you think Hamas are concerned about Trumps threat of all hell breaking loose if they don't release the hostages? Mrs x | |||
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"What deal? Mrs x There is a credible and concrete hostage release/prisoner swap deal on the table between Israel and Hamas, with an expectation that it will be finalised within hours or days and implemented pretty much immediately. Strong speculation suggests this is because Trump laid out an ultimatum for this issue to be finalised before he took office.Saw him make the threat but didn't know there was any actual traction on this. Will Hamas get all of its conditions it said it needed, from Israel, to release the hostages or do you think Hamas are concerned about Trumps threat of all hell breaking loose if they don't release the hostages? Mrs x" Who knows. Rumours are that Israel isn't getting what it wants and is possibly more scared to disappoint Trump than Hamas is. But diplomacy is always theatre. Reports suggest that Israel will release 1000 prisoners and ultimately leave Gaza, with a small Hamas presence still in charge. Hamas will initially release 33 hostages, then potentially more in stages. Hamas will claim victory and Israel will throw around belligerent threats to anyone who dares anything like October 7th. Maybe. | |||
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"What deal? Mrs x There is a credible and concrete hostage release/prisoner swap deal on the table between Israel and Hamas, with an expectation that it will be finalised within hours or days and implemented pretty much immediately. Strong speculation suggests this is because Trump laid out an ultimatum for this issue to be finalised before he took office.Saw him make the threat but didn't know there was any actual traction on this. Will Hamas get all of its conditions it said it needed, from Israel, to release the hostages or do you think Hamas are concerned about Trumps threat of all hell breaking loose if they don't release the hostages? Mrs x Who knows. Rumours are that Israel isn't getting what it wants and is possibly more scared to disappoint Trump than Hamas is. But diplomacy is always theatre. Reports suggest that Israel will release 1000 prisoners and ultimately leave Gaza, with a small Hamas presence still in charge. Hamas will initially release 33 hostages, then potentially more in stages. Hamas will claim victory and Israel will throw around belligerent threats to anyone who dares anything like October 7th. Maybe." So it's a waiting game now, interesting. Mrs x | |||
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"According to a former Israeli government adviser this is the same deal Joe Biden put together in 2023 and Netanyahu rejected saying no ceasefire until hamas are completely destroyed. Also according to a new poll in Israel 70 percent want a ceasefire now. In my opinion Netanyahu has never really cared about the hostages and it's all about his grip on power." 👍 It'll be the same old shite served up in the past. | |||
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"Fingers crossed this goes ahead. Next Ukraine " 
Anything that stops the killing of innocent people has to be applauded. | |||
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"Fingers crossed this goes ahead. Next Ukraine " That might be a slightly tougher but to crack. Putin has to present something of a victory to his people and Ukraine cannot be left in a situation where Russia is given time to reorganise, re-arm and try again. The difficulty is that Putin and senior Russians don’t believe that Ukraine has a right to even exist - and this is something of a stumbling block. In the Middle East Hammas and Hezbollah are limited in their options as despite the large scale civilian losses they have been degraded to being no more than irritants now. They therefore do now have some motivation to negotiate. | |||
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"Fingers crossed this goes ahead. Next Ukraine " well according to a former minister advisor the deal is in 3 parts and there's a suspicion that Netanyahu to please his right wing cronies will attempt to find a way to carry on the war before all 3 parts of the deal is finished. | |||
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"It's only a ceasefire, unless the underlying issues are sorted there will be no lasting peace I'm afraid." Exactly this
I think it'll be just another cycle of events from the past.
Netenyahu is in s tight spot. He's got to appease his far right party and also has bribery and corruption charges to avoid. He'll try to keep the conflict(s) going to avoid a trial
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"How refreshing that an ultimatum has been delivered, obviously it can still fail but the focus is exactly what was needed. Well done to camp Trump." Anyone who has the slightest knowledge of Trump knows he lies constantly and does not follow through on his promises. I suspect that this peace deal has been in train for months with a drop dead date of the Trump inauguration day. | |||
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"Amazing how a deal is expected in days following the threat from Trump. Who'd have thought it possible " Hamas don't deal at least in the end they don't. Once they get their prisoners back they'll be terrorising again. It'll be for every anniversary of their martyrs in this last conflict and for their brothers in Syria,Iraq, Iran and Yemen. They don't want peace like Israel do. They can't take the beating they're getting now but they should have thought about that when they were doing and cheering the October 7th. Give them time, Hamas with Hezbollah will be at it again because they want to wipe Israel off the map still. | |||
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"Amazing how a deal is expected in days following the threat from Trump. Who'd have thought it possible Hamas don't deal at least in the end they don't. Once they get their prisoners back they'll be terrorising again. It'll be for every anniversary of their martyrs in this last conflict and for their brothers in Syria,Iraq, Iran and Yemen. They don't want peace like Israel do. They can't take the beating they're getting now but they should have thought about that when they were doing and cheering the October 7th. Give them time, Hamas with Hezbollah will be at it again because they want to wipe Israel off the map still. " The overwhelming bulk of the beating has been taken by the Palestinian civilians. A few months ago Israel said it had killed 15,000 Hamas fighters from initial estimates of 50,000-60,000. I doubt it’s been short of recruits. The ceasefire is to be welcomed but the USA taking credit for it after supplying 80,000 tonnes of bombs to destroy the lives of 1.9 million gazans and Trump apparently supporting the expansion of Israeli settlements. | |||
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"How refreshing that an ultimatum has been delivered, obviously it can still fail but the focus is exactly what was needed. Well done to camp Trump. Anyone who has the slightest knowledge of Trump knows he lies constantly and does not follow through on his promises. I suspect that this peace deal has been in train for months with a drop dead date of the Trump inauguration day. " If you suspect, you are guessing? To take the guess work away you could read updates on the negotiations and Trumps middle east envoy Steven Witkoff | |||
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" If you suspect, you are guessing? To take the guess work away you could read updates on the negotiations and Trumps middle east envoy Steven Witkoff " Wouldn't it be good if people informed themselves more often, rather than shooting of their mouths with pure speculation and fantasy... So much actual data is available (whether or not one wants to believe it). | |||
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"How refreshing that an ultimatum has been delivered, obviously it can still fail but the focus is exactly what was needed. Well done to camp Trump. Anyone who has the slightest knowledge of Trump knows he lies constantly and does not follow through on his promises. I suspect that this peace deal has been in train for months with a drop dead date of the Trump inauguration day. " A nice present from Netanyahu to Trump.. | |||
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"Amazing how a deal is expected in days following the threat from Trump. Who'd have thought it possible Hamas don't deal at least in the end they don't. Once they get their prisoners back they'll be terrorising again. It'll be for every anniversary of their martyrs in this last conflict and for their brothers in Syria,Iraq, Iran and Yemen. They don't want peace like Israel do. They can't take the beating they're getting now but they should have thought about that when they were doing and cheering the October 7th. Give them time, Hamas with Hezbollah will be at it again because they want to wipe Israel off the map still. " Israel was created by forced displacement and killings. It's a no-brainer injustice that's the root cause. Yes Israel wants peace but by its definition. They occupy land taken by force and expect those forcibly evicted to accept it along with being a second class oppressed group. The only recompense for that is either equal rights for Jews and Palestinians a like or a two state solution. Interesting that you think Israel want peace. Ben-Gvir - a minister in netenyahu's government is trying to block a ceasefire. And that's all it is, a ceasefire, not lasting peace. Netenyahu's new move to a deal is due to trump. It's a gamble for netenyahu as he needs to keep the far right and the Israeli fanatics like Ben-Gvir onside. | |||
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"I find it strange that people say Israel don't want peace really, for what ever reason, yet are silent about Hamas and what they do or don't want. And the way they talk about Netenyahu and how he's more interested in power than anything else, playing as a puppet master you could be forgiven for thinking he orchestrated the 7th Oct attack against his own people, in fact one poster on another thread actually stated this. Yet no mention of Hamas and their 'players'. The role Sinwar played in this and how his death may make a ceasefire possible. But apparently it's all one sided. Mrs x" --- people say Israel don't want peace for a number of reasons. Firstly netenyahu is in a far right government containing the likes of Ben-gvir who's a greater Israel advocate. He is currently trying to block the current peace deal. Being silent on Hamas because currently, the focus is on the actions and methods being used by the IDF. There's no argument that Hamas commited atrocities, however it's the disproportionate innocent people being killed and there were better methods not used by the IDF to combat Hamas. It's obvious that the creating Israel by forcibly and lethally evicting locals to make a country of Europeans is bound to cause trouble. I can't understand why the Palestinians have to be punished and persecuted continuosly as a whole from the creation of Israel run by Zionists Netenyahu's policy of this continued persecution and oppression unfortunately did in my view unintentionally orchestrate the 7th Oct attack Iran's influence could have been diminished if not eliminated if Zionist ideology was abandoned and equal rights implemented. Assassinating Sinwar hasn't really changed anything other than remove someone wanted for war crimes. | |||
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"The far right of Netanyahu's government don't want a ceasefire they do not care about the hostages! " Exactly! No-one supporting Zionism has mentioned the mass demonstrators by Israeli citizens against netenyahu's abandonment of the hostages. Netenyahu's more interested in gaining an advantage in oppression and the capitulation by force rather than a lasting peace through dialogue. No matter how many Israelis, Palestinians get killed for his ideology or other nationalities | |||
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"I find it strange that people say Israel don't want peace really, for what ever reason, yet are silent about Hamas and what they do or don't want. And the way they talk about Netenyahu and how he's more interested in power than anything else, playing as a puppet master you could be forgiven for thinking he orchestrated the 7th Oct attack against his own people, in fact one poster on another thread actually stated this. Yet no mention of Hamas and their 'players'. The role Sinwar played in this and how his death may make a ceasefire possible. But apparently it's all one sided. Mrs x --- people say Israel don't want peace for a number of reasons. Firstly netenyahu is in a far right government containing the likes of Ben-gvir who's a greater Israel advocate. He is currently trying to block the current peace deal. Being silent on Hamas because currently, the focus is on the actions and methods being used by the IDF. There's no argument that Hamas commited atrocities, however it's the disproportionate innocent people being killed and there were better methods not used by the IDF to combat Hamas. It's obvious that the creating Israel by forcibly and lethally evicting locals to make a country of Europeans is bound to cause trouble. I can't understand why the Palestinians have to be punished and persecuted continuosly as a whole from the creation of Israel run by Zionists Netenyahu's policy of this continued persecution and oppression unfortunately did in my view unintentionally orchestrate the 7th Oct attack Iran's influence could have been diminished if not eliminated if Zionist ideology was abandoned and equal rights implemented. Assassinating Sinwar hasn't really changed anything other than remove someone wanted for war crimes. " Sinwar was Hamas's biggest opponent of any peace with Israel but you don't mention that. You keep mention8ng Zionists as if everyone who came to live in Israel are evil. They aren't but all of those that settled in Israel are Zionist. Zionism was just a resettlement plan originally. It a bit like Islam being just a religion at first but now it's used as a call to terrorism. But as all Zionists are not violent, neither are all Muslims terrorists but you fail to see this distinction. As for the hostages, of course you known that 117 hostages have been released or rescued. Doesn't sound like a regime that doesn't care about its citizens. Palestinians arent persecuted or punished as a whole. You cannot explain why 2 million of them live peacefully as citizens of Israel. That doesn't seem to add up. As for any policy 'orchestrating' a terrorist attack. So the 9/11 Twin Towers was ok then, and all the bombings during the Troubles by the IRA? Because every terrorist act always references something that was done to them, so I'm right when I say you support terrorism. Your statement that removing Sinwar hasn't changed anything is just a joke. Sinwar was the architect of the 7th Oct atrocities and was the biggest opponent to having peace with Israel. In Octber, after Sinwars death, Antony Blinken in a statement said... 'On multiple occasions over the past months, Sinwar rebuffed efforts by the United States and its partners to bring this war to a close through an agreement that would return the hostages to their families and alleviate the suffering of the Palestinian people. In the days ahead, the United States will redouble its efforts with partners to end this conflict, secure the release all hostages, and chart a new path forward that will enable the people of Gaza to rebuild their lives and realize their aspirations free from war and free from the brutal grip of Hamas.' Blinken has since repeated the opposition Sinwar held to any peace with Israel and that peace may be achievable now he has gone from the picture. Bet you still blame Netenyahu for this though. Mrs x | |||
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"I find it strange that people say Israel don't want peace really, for what ever reason, yet are silent about Hamas and what they do or don't want. And the way they talk about Netenyahu and how he's more interested in power than anything else, playing as a puppet master you could be forgiven for thinking he orchestrated the 7th Oct attack against his own people, in fact one poster on another thread actually stated this. Yet no mention of Hamas and their 'players'. The role Sinwar played in this and how his death may make a ceasefire possible. But apparently it's all one sided. Mrs x --- people say Israel don't want peace for a number of reasons. Firstly netenyahu is in a far right government containing the likes of Ben-gvir who's a greater Israel advocate. He is currently trying to block the current peace deal. Being silent on Hamas because currently, the focus is on the actions and methods being used by the IDF. There's no argument that Hamas commited atrocities, however it's the disproportionate innocent people being killed and there were better methods not used by the IDF to combat Hamas. It's obvious that the creating Israel by forcibly and lethally evicting locals to make a country of Europeans is bound to cause trouble. I can't understand why the Palestinians have to be punished and persecuted continuosly as a whole from the creation of Israel run by Zionists Netenyahu's policy of this continued persecution and oppression unfortunately did in my view unintentionally orchestrate the 7th Oct attack Iran's influence could have been diminished if not eliminated if Zionist ideology was abandoned and equal rights implemented. Assassinating Sinwar hasn't really changed anything other than remove someone wanted for war crimes. Sinwar was Hamas's biggest opponent of any peace with Israel but you don't mention that. You keep mention8ng Zionists as if everyone who came to live in Israel are evil. They aren't but all of those that settled in Israel are Zionist. Zionism was just a resettlement plan originally. It a bit like Islam being just a religion at first but now it's used as a call to terrorism. But as all Zionists are not violent, neither are all Muslims terrorists but you fail to see this distinction. As for the hostages, of course you known that 117 hostages have been released or rescued. Doesn't sound like a regime that doesn't care about its citizens. Palestinians arent persecuted or punished as a whole. You cannot explain why 2 million of them live peacefully as citizens of Israel. That doesn't seem to add up. As for any policy 'orchestrating' a terrorist attack. So the 9/11 Twin Towers was ok then, and all the bombings during the Troubles by the IRA? Because every terrorist act always references something that was done to them, so I'm right when I say you support terrorism. Your statement that removing Sinwar hasn't changed anything is just a joke. Sinwar was the architect of the 7th Oct atrocities and was the biggest opponent to having peace with Israel. In Octber, after Sinwars death, Antony Blinken in a statement said... 'On multiple occasions over the past months, Sinwar rebuffed efforts by the United States and its partners to bring this war to a close through an agreement that would return the hostages to their families and alleviate the suffering of the Palestinian people. In the days ahead, the United States will redouble its efforts with partners to end this conflict, secure the release all hostages, and chart a new path forward that will enable the people of Gaza to rebuild their lives and realize their aspirations free from war and free from the brutal grip of Hamas.' Blinken has since repeated the opposition Sinwar held to any peace with Israel and that peace may be achievable now he has gone from the picture. Bet you still blame Netenyahu for this though. Mrs x " Israel assassinated Ismail Haniyeh. Who was a moderate and more open to a peace deal. An odd decision seeing as Sinwar took over. A hardliner who was more a hardliner as you say. You see what I mean by unintentional consequences? | |||
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"I find it strange that people say Israel don't want peace really, for what ever reason, yet are silent about Hamas and what they do or don't want. And the way they talk about Netenyahu and how he's more interested in power than anything else, playing as a puppet master you could be forgiven for thinking he orchestrated the 7th Oct attack against his own people, in fact one poster on another thread actually stated this. Yet no mention of Hamas and their 'players'. The role Sinwar played in this and how his death may make a ceasefire possible. But apparently it's all one sided. Mrs x --- people say Israel don't want peace for a number of reasons. Firstly netenyahu is in a far right government containing the likes of Ben-gvir who's a greater Israel advocate. He is currently trying to block the current peace deal. Being silent on Hamas because currently, the focus is on the actions and methods being used by the IDF. There's no argument that Hamas commited atrocities, however it's the disproportionate innocent people being killed and there were better methods not used by the IDF to combat Hamas. It's obvious that the creating Israel by forcibly and lethally evicting locals to make a country of Europeans is bound to cause trouble. I can't understand why the Palestinians have to be punished and persecuted continuosly as a whole from the creation of Israel run by Zionists Netenyahu's policy of this continued persecution and oppression unfortunately did in my view unintentionally orchestrate the 7th Oct attack Iran's influence could have been diminished if not eliminated if Zionist ideology was abandoned and equal rights implemented. Assassinating Sinwar hasn't really changed anything other than remove someone wanted for war crimes. Sinwar was Hamas's biggest opponent of any peace with Israel but you don't mention that. You keep mention8ng Zionists as if everyone who came to live in Israel are evil. They aren't but all of those that settled in Israel are Zionist. Zionism was just a resettlement plan originally. It a bit like Islam being just a religion at first but now it's used as a call to terrorism. But as all Zionists are not violent, neither are all Muslims terrorists but you fail to see this distinction. As for the hostages, of course you known that 117 hostages have been released or rescued. Doesn't sound like a regime that doesn't care about its citizens. Palestinians arent persecuted or punished as a whole. You cannot explain why 2 million of them live peacefully as citizens of Israel. That doesn't seem to add up. As for any policy 'orchestrating' a terrorist attack. So the 9/11 Twin Towers was ok then, and all the bombings during the Troubles by the IRA? Because every terrorist act always references something that was done to them, so I'm right when I say you support terrorism. Your statement that removing Sinwar hasn't changed anything is just a joke. Sinwar was the architect of the 7th Oct atrocities and was the biggest opponent to having peace with Israel. In Octber, after Sinwars death, Antony Blinken in a statement said... 'On multiple occasions over the past months, Sinwar rebuffed efforts by the United States and its partners to bring this war to a close through an agreement that would return the hostages to their families and alleviate the suffering of the Palestinian people. In the days ahead, the United States will redouble its efforts with partners to end this conflict, secure the release all hostages, and chart a new path forward that will enable the people of Gaza to rebuild their lives and realize their aspirations free from war and free from the brutal grip of Hamas.' Blinken has since repeated the opposition Sinwar held to any peace with Israel and that peace may be achievable now he has gone from the picture. Bet you still blame Netenyahu for this though. Mrs x " If the Zionists allowed Palestinians to live there, then you'd have an argument there, but they didn't. If someone from Europe can claim they're entitled to live in Israel then surely the Palestinians who've lived there for generations should also be entitled to live there too. Re:Sinwar. Why do you think Ismail Haniyeh was assassinated when he was a moderate? | |||
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"I find it strange that people say Israel don't want peace really, for what ever reason, yet are silent about Hamas and what they do or don't want. And the way they talk about Netenyahu and how he's more interested in power than anything else, playing as a puppet master you could be forgiven for thinking he orchestrated the 7th Oct attack against his own people, in fact one poster on another thread actually stated this. Yet no mention of Hamas and their 'players'. The role Sinwar played in this and how his death may make a ceasefire possible. But apparently it's all one sided. Mrs x --- people say Israel don't want peace for a number of reasons. Firstly netenyahu is in a far right government containing the likes of Ben-gvir who's a greater Israel advocate. He is currently trying to block the current peace deal. Being silent on Hamas because currently, the focus is on the actions and methods being used by the IDF. There's no argument that Hamas commited atrocities, however it's the disproportionate innocent people being killed and there were better methods not used by the IDF to combat Hamas. It's obvious that the creating Israel by forcibly and lethally evicting locals to make a country of Europeans is bound to cause trouble. I can't understand why the Palestinians have to be punished and persecuted continuosly as a whole from the creation of Israel run by Zionists Netenyahu's policy of this continued persecution and oppression unfortunately did in my view unintentionally orchestrate the 7th Oct attack Iran's influence could have been diminished if not eliminated if Zionist ideology was abandoned and equal rights implemented. Assassinating Sinwar hasn't really changed anything other than remove someone wanted for war crimes. Sinwar was Hamas's biggest opponent of any peace with Israel but you don't mention that. You keep mention8ng Zionists as if everyone who came to live in Israel are evil. They aren't but all of those that settled in Israel are Zionist. Zionism was just a resettlement plan originally. It a bit like Islam being just a religion at first but now it's used as a call to terrorism. But as all Zionists are not violent, neither are all Muslims terrorists but you fail to see this distinction. As for the hostages, of course you known that 117 hostages have been released or rescued. Doesn't sound like a regime that doesn't care about its citizens. Palestinians arent persecuted or punished as a whole. You cannot explain why 2 million of them live peacefully as citizens of Israel. That doesn't seem to add up. As for any policy 'orchestrating' a terrorist attack. So the 9/11 Twin Towers was ok then, and all the bombings during the Troubles by the IRA? Because every terrorist act always references something that was done to them, so I'm right when I say you support terrorism. Your statement that removing Sinwar hasn't changed anything is just a joke. Sinwar was the architect of the 7th Oct atrocities and was the biggest opponent to having peace with Israel. In Octber, after Sinwars death, Antony Blinken in a statement said... 'On multiple occasions over the past months, Sinwar rebuffed efforts by the United States and its partners to bring this war to a close through an agreement that would return the hostages to their families and alleviate the suffering of the Palestinian people. In the days ahead, the United States will redouble its efforts with partners to end this conflict, secure the release all hostages, and chart a new path forward that will enable the people of Gaza to rebuild their lives and realize their aspirations free from war and free from the brutal grip of Hamas.' Blinken has since repeated the opposition Sinwar held to any peace with Israel and that peace may be achievable now he has gone from the picture. Bet you still blame Netenyahu for this though. Mrs x If the Zionists allowed Palestinians to live there, then you'd have an argument there, but they didn't. If someone from Europe can claim they're entitled to live in Israel then surely the Palestinians who've lived there for generations should also be entitled to live there too. Re:Sinwar. Why do you think Ismail Haniyeh was assassinated when he was a moderate? " Jews have lived in the region, in various numbers, continously for thousands of years. Jews were also returning to their homeland for years and years before the UN created Israel. Mrs x | |||
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"Things are looking promising with an agreed ceasefire. Wonderful news and I hope it holds. If Trump and hie administration can bring about an end to the war in Ukraine too, that would be an amazing start to 2025. " Has it been announced yet? Mrs x | |||
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"Things are looking promising with an agreed ceasefire. Wonderful news and I hope it holds. If Trump and hie administration can bring about an end to the war in Ukraine too, that would be an amazing start to 2025. Has it been announced yet? Mrs x" According to the BBC news website it has. Starting 19th January. | |||
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"Things are looking promising with an agreed ceasefire. Wonderful news and I hope it holds. If Trump and hie administration can bring about an end to the war in Ukraine too, that would be an amazing start to 2025. Has it been announced yet? Mrs x According to the BBC news website it has. Starting 19th January." Thanks for that will look, can't wait to see the details, Mrs x | |||
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" If you suspect, you are guessing? To take the guess work away you could read updates on the negotiations and Trumps middle east envoy Steven Witkoff Wouldn't it be good if people informed themselves more often, rather than shooting of their mouths with pure speculation and fantasy... So much actual data is available (whether or not one wants to believe it)." Yes does seem like there is a faction of people that do tend to quickly react in regurgitating a message that is negative about the Orange Man. Too bad they don't take a minute and find out what was really said and meant. | |||
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"Apparently it's agreed and will be in place by Sunday... amazing how a deadline focusses the mind" | |||
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"Good news indeed. Let's hope both sides buy into it and the innocents on both sides can finally live peacefully" Fingers x'd though I'm not optimistic. Some reports of demonstrators in Tel-Aviv demanding the conflict continues though no reports of how big a demonstration. I'm also hoping the NGOs will be allowed to distribute food medical aid and water and shelter into Gaza | |||
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"34 Israelis for 1500 Palestinians Bemused " Kind of explains how they can kill so many innocent people, the value placed on Palestinians… One “human” is worth 34 of those things is likely the thinking | |||
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"34 Israelis for 1500 Palestinians Bemused Kind of explains how they can kill so many innocent people, the value placed on Palestinians… One “human” is worth 34 of those things is likely the thinking " You're suggesting that, to fully respect Palestinians, Israel should refuse to let more than 34 prisoners be swapped for 34 Israelis? | |||
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"Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward. With nearly 50000 killed at least and more than 2 million forced out of their homes by the Israeli military there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate. Until a lasting peace and the issue of the occupied territories and Israeli illegal settlements is resolved. I can only see this conflict continuing. If you oppress and discriminate against a certain section of people you can only expect conflict." I find it hard to understand your armchair logic. "Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward", there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate? Do you honestly think the people of Gaza would think like this? Have you read anything about potential future steps and aspirations following this ceasefire? Have you seen the celebrations in Gaza? | |||
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"Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward. With nearly 50000 killed at least and more than 2 million forced out of their homes by the Israeli military there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate." You will notice that most Palestinian areas in the Middle East (and the diaspora) have celebrated this as a victory last night, with fireworks, gunfire and handing out sweets to children. You misunderstand the cultural context of victory and celebration. | |||
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"Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward. With nearly 50000 killed at least and more than 2 million forced out of their homes by the Israeli military there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate. Until a lasting peace and the issue of the occupied territories and Israeli illegal settlements is resolved. I can only see this conflict continuing. If you oppress and discriminate against a certain section of people you can only expect conflict. I find it hard to understand your armchair logic. "Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward", there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate? Do you honestly think the people of Gaza would think like this? Have you read anything about potential future steps and aspirations following this ceasefire? Have you seen the celebrations in Gaza? " I get where Oats is coming from in relation to the long term and what is inevitably just a pause in the future till Hamas re arm and retrain more terrorists but I also get where you are coming from ..
Unless (and it's no ever going to happen under trump's presidency) there is a viable solution be that the two state one or something else the cycle of the inevitable will resume at some point..
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"Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward. With nearly 50000 killed at least and more than 2 million forced out of their homes by the Israeli military there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate. Until a lasting peace and the issue of the occupied territories and Israeli illegal settlements is resolved. I can only see this conflict continuing. If you oppress and discriminate against a certain section of people you can only expect conflict. I find it hard to understand your armchair logic. "Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward", there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate? Do you honestly think the people of Gaza would think like this? Have you read anything about potential future steps and aspirations following this ceasefire? Have you seen the celebrations in Gaza? I get where Oats is coming from in relation to the long term and what is inevitably just a pause in the future till Hamas re arm and retrain more terrorists but I also get where you are coming from ..
Unless (and it's no ever going to happen under trump's presidency) there is a viable solution be that the two state one or something else the cycle of the inevitable will resume at some point..
And the innocents will continue to suffer.."I can see where the point made is coming from, 2 steps back. I'm disappointed that a step in the right direction after such a bloody war is not welcomed with more of an appetite for hope. There is no discussion about the meeting Wednesday in Norway, the international alliance, approx 80 countries were discussing 2 state options. No mention of the PA Prime Minister and his thoughts on Hamas post a ceasefire. | |||
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"Already the right wing Zionist smogricz is calling for all out war after phase one of the ceasefire and there's protests from the far right supporters to keep fighting with no ceasefire." Of course there will be a minority of people / organisations that don't want peace. Is that your focus? | |||
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"Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward. With nearly 50000 killed at least and more than 2 million forced out of their homes by the Israeli military there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate. Until a lasting peace and the issue of the occupied territories and Israeli illegal settlements is resolved. I can only see this conflict continuing. If you oppress and discriminate against a certain section of people you can only expect conflict. I find it hard to understand your armchair logic. "Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward", there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate? Do you honestly think the people of Gaza would think like this? Have you read anything about potential future steps and aspirations following this ceasefire? Have you seen the celebrations in Gaza? I get where Oats is coming from in relation to the long term and what is inevitably just a pause in the future till Hamas re arm and retrain more terrorists but I also get where you are coming from ..
Unless (and it's no ever going to happen under trump's presidency) there is a viable solution be that the two state one or something else the cycle of the inevitable will resume at some point..
And the innocents will continue to suffer..
I can see where the point made is coming from, 2 steps back.
I'm disappointed that a step in the right direction after such a bloody war is not welcomed with more of an appetite for hope.
There is no discussion about the meeting Wednesday in Norway, the international alliance, approx 80 countries were discussing 2 state options. No mention of the PA Prime Minister and his thoughts on Hamas post a ceasefire.
"Not fully au fair with all that's been said personally, has there been anything you've read about the West Bank and the removal of Palestinians from their lands since Oct 7? | |||
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"Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward. With nearly 50000 killed at least and more than 2 million forced out of their homes by the Israeli military there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate. Until a lasting peace and the issue of the occupied territories and Israeli illegal settlements is resolved. I can only see this conflict continuing. If you oppress and discriminate against a certain section of people you can only expect conflict. I find it hard to understand your armchair logic. "Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward", there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate? Do you honestly think the people of Gaza would think like this? Have you read anything about potential future steps and aspirations following this ceasefire? Have you seen the celebrations in Gaza? I get where Oats is coming from in relation to the long term and what is inevitably just a pause in the future till Hamas re arm and retrain more terrorists but I also get where you are coming from ..
Unless (and it's no ever going to happen under trump's presidency) there is a viable solution be that the two state one or something else the cycle of the inevitable will resume at some point..
And the innocents will continue to suffer..
I can see where the point made is coming from, 2 steps back.
I'm disappointed that a step in the right direction after such a bloody war is not welcomed with more of an appetite for hope.
There is no discussion about the meeting Wednesday in Norway, the international alliance, approx 80 countries were discussing 2 state options. No mention of the PA Prime Minister and his thoughts on Hamas post a ceasefire.
Not fully au fair with all that's been said personally, has there been anything you've read about the West Bank and the removal of Palestinians from their lands since Oct 7?"There are lots of things being said, the ceasefire and future stabilisation is a political hotbed. The noise needs to be cut out, as most of it is from groups who are going to lose out or not get their own way if a ceasefire holds. | |||
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"Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward. With nearly 50000 killed at least and more than 2 million forced out of their homes by the Israeli military there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate. Until a lasting peace and the issue of the occupied territories and Israeli illegal settlements is resolved. I can only see this conflict continuing. If you oppress and discriminate against a certain section of people you can only expect conflict. I find it hard to understand your armchair logic. "Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward", there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate? Do you honestly think the people of Gaza would think like this? Have you read anything about potential future steps and aspirations following this ceasefire? Have you seen the celebrations in Gaza? I get where Oats is coming from in relation to the long term and what is inevitably just a pause in the future till Hamas re arm and retrain more terrorists but I also get where you are coming from ..
Unless (and it's no ever going to happen under trump's presidency) there is a viable solution be that the two state one or something else the cycle of the inevitable will resume at some point..
And the innocents will continue to suffer..
I can see where the point made is coming from, 2 steps back.
I'm disappointed that a step in the right direction after such a bloody war is not welcomed with more of an appetite for hope.
There is no discussion about the meeting Wednesday in Norway, the international alliance, approx 80 countries were discussing 2 state options. No mention of the PA Prime Minister and his thoughts on Hamas post a ceasefire.
Not fully au fair with all that's been said personally, has there been anything you've read about the West Bank and the removal of Palestinians from their lands since Oct 7?
There are lots of things being said, the ceasefire and future stabilisation is a political hotbed.
The noise needs to be cut out, as most of it is from groups who are going to lose out or not get their own way if a ceasefire holds. "Too much at stake for too many players.. Netanyahu delaying the vote saying that Hamas are breaking parts of the agreement already.. Maybe trump will get the present of the deal implemented as well as the kudos of any returned hostages.. Certainly some of the more hawkish see the cease fire as a hindrance to further reduction of Iran funded terrorists regionally and any potential knock on effects for the regime in Tehran.. | |||
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"Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward. With nearly 50000 killed at least and more than 2 million forced out of their homes by the Israeli military there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate. Until a lasting peace and the issue of the occupied territories and Israeli illegal settlements is resolved. I can only see this conflict continuing. If you oppress and discriminate against a certain section of people you can only expect conflict. I find it hard to understand your armchair logic. "Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward", there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate? Do you honestly think the people of Gaza would think like this? Have you read anything about potential future steps and aspirations following this ceasefire? Have you seen the celebrations in Gaza? I get where Oats is coming from in relation to the long term and what is inevitably just a pause in the future till Hamas re arm and retrain more terrorists but I also get where you are coming from ..
Unless (and it's no ever going to happen under trump's presidency) there is a viable solution be that the two state one or something else the cycle of the inevitable will resume at some point..
And the innocents will continue to suffer..
I can see where the point made is coming from, 2 steps back.
I'm disappointed that a step in the right direction after such a bloody war is not welcomed with more of an appetite for hope.
There is no discussion about the meeting Wednesday in Norway, the international alliance, approx 80 countries were discussing 2 state options. No mention of the PA Prime Minister and his thoughts on Hamas post a ceasefire.
Not fully au fair with all that's been said personally, has there been anything you've read about the West Bank and the removal of Palestinians from their lands since Oct 7?
There are lots of things being said, the ceasefire and future stabilisation is a political hotbed.
The noise needs to be cut out, as most of it is from groups who are going to lose out or not get their own way if a ceasefire holds.
Too much at stake for too many players..
Netanyahu delaying the vote saying that Hamas are breaking parts of the agreement already..
Maybe trump will get the present of the deal implemented as well as the kudos of any returned hostages..
Certainly some of the more hawkish see the cease fire as a hindrance to further reduction of Iran funded terrorists regionally and any potential knock on effects for the regime in Tehran..
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"Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward. With nearly 50000 killed at least and more than 2 million forced out of their homes by the Israeli military there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate. Until a lasting peace and the issue of the occupied territories and Israeli illegal settlements is resolved. I can only see this conflict continuing. If you oppress and discriminate against a certain section of people you can only expect conflict. I find it hard to understand your armchair logic. "Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward", there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate? Do you honestly think the people of Gaza would think like this? Have you read anything about potential future steps and aspirations following this ceasefire? Have you seen the celebrations in Gaza? I get where Oats is coming from in relation to the long term and what is inevitably just a pause in the future till Hamas re arm and retrain more terrorists but I also get where you are coming from ..
Unless (and it's no ever going to happen under trump's presidency) there is a viable solution be that the two state one or something else the cycle of the inevitable will resume at some point..
And the innocents will continue to suffer..
I can see where the point made is coming from, 2 steps back.
I'm disappointed that a step in the right direction after such a bloody war is not welcomed with more of an appetite for hope.
There is no discussion about the meeting Wednesday in Norway, the international alliance, approx 80 countries were discussing 2 state options. No mention of the PA Prime Minister and his thoughts on Hamas post a ceasefire.
Not fully au fair with all that's been said personally, has there been anything you've read about the West Bank and the removal of Palestinians from their lands since Oct 7?
There are lots of things being said, the ceasefire and future stabilisation is a political hotbed.
The noise needs to be cut out, as most of it is from groups who are going to lose out or not get their own way if a ceasefire holds.
Too much at stake for too many players..
Netanyahu delaying the vote saying that Hamas are breaking parts of the agreement already..
Maybe trump will get the present of the deal implemented as well as the kudos of any returned hostages..
Certainly some of the more hawkish see the cease fire as a hindrance to further reduction of Iran funded terrorists regionally and any potential knock on effects for the regime in Tehran..
The group that has most to lose is Hamas.
Netanyahu, also knows is political career is over.
"They've won though.. 
According to Tehran lol..
Netanyahu might be the price to pay for stability going forward, could be why Rubio wants the warrant lifted by the ICC..
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"This winner that loser, advantage to them disadvantage to the other. It can go on and on. Does anyone really think that there can ever be a lasting peace in that region? All I can see from this is that Hamas will keep their heads down while they regroup and it will all start again." This.. I get where other posters are coming from about hope etc and every day someone isn't killed is a good day etc.. Until the moderates are in the majority though it's only a pause.. | |||
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"I find it strange that people say Israel don't want peace really, for what ever reason, yet are silent about Hamas and what they do or don't want. And the way they talk about Netenyahu and how he's more interested in power than anything else, playing as a puppet master you could be forgiven for thinking he orchestrated the 7th Oct attack against his own people, in fact one poster on another thread actually stated this. Yet no mention of Hamas and their 'players'. The role Sinwar played in this and how his death may make a ceasefire possible. But apparently it's all one sided. Mrs x --- people say Israel don't want peace for a number of reasons. Firstly netenyahu is in a far right government containing the likes of Ben-gvir who's a greater Israel advocate. He is currently trying to block the current peace deal. Being silent on Hamas because currently, the focus is on the actions and methods being used by the IDF. There's no argument that Hamas commited atrocities, however it's the disproportionate innocent people being killed and there were better methods not used by the IDF to combat Hamas. It's obvious that the creating Israel by forcibly and lethally evicting locals to make a country of Europeans is bound to cause trouble. I can't understand why the Palestinians have to be punished and persecuted continuosly as a whole from the creation of Israel run by Zionists Netenyahu's policy of this continued persecution and oppression unfortunately did in my view unintentionally orchestrate the 7th Oct attack Iran's influence could have been diminished if not eliminated if Zionist ideology was abandoned and equal rights implemented. Assassinating Sinwar hasn't really changed anything other than remove someone wanted for war crimes. Sinwar was Hamas's biggest opponent of any peace with Israel but you don't mention that. You keep mention8ng Zionists as if everyone who came to live in Israel are evil. They aren't but all of those that settled in Israel are Zionist. Zionism was just a resettlement plan originally. It a bit like Islam being just a religion at first but now it's used as a call to terrorism. But as all Zionists are not violent, neither are all Muslims terrorists but you fail to see this distinction. As for the hostages, of course you known that 117 hostages have been released or rescued. Doesn't sound like a regime that doesn't care about its citizens. Palestinians arent persecuted or punished as a whole. You cannot explain why 2 million of them live peacefully as citizens of Israel. That doesn't seem to add up. As for any policy 'orchestrating' a terrorist attack. So the 9/11 Twin Towers was ok then, and all the bombings during the Troubles by the IRA? Because every terrorist act always references something that was done to them, so I'm right when I say you support terrorism. Your statement that removing Sinwar hasn't changed anything is just a joke. Sinwar was the architect of the 7th Oct atrocities and was the biggest opponent to having peace with Israel. In Octber, after Sinwars death, Antony Blinken in a statement said... 'On multiple occasions over the past months, Sinwar rebuffed efforts by the United States and its partners to bring this war to a close through an agreement that would return the hostages to their families and alleviate the suffering of the Palestinian people. In the days ahead, the United States will redouble its efforts with partners to end this conflict, secure the release all hostages, and chart a new path forward that will enable the people of Gaza to rebuild their lives and realize their aspirations free from war and free from the brutal grip of Hamas.' Blinken has since repeated the opposition Sinwar held to any peace with Israel and that peace may be achievable now he has gone from the picture. Bet you still blame Netenyahu for this though. Mrs x If the Zionists allowed Palestinians to live there, then you'd have an argument there, but they didn't. If someone from Europe can claim they're entitled to live in Israel then surely the Palestinians who've lived there for generations should also be entitled to live there too. Re:Sinwar. Why do you think Ismail Haniyeh was assassinated when he was a moderate? Jews have lived in the region, in various numbers, continously for thousands of years. Jews were also returning to their homeland for years and years before the UN created Israel. Mrs x" This logic is based on religion alone and makes no sense | |||
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"Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward. With nearly 50000 killed at least and more than 2 million forced out of their homes by the Israeli military there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate. Until a lasting peace and the issue of the occupied territories and Israeli illegal settlements is resolved. I can only see this conflict continuing. If you oppress and discriminate against a certain section of people you can only expect conflict. I find it hard to understand your armchair logic. "Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward", there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate? Do you honestly think the people of Gaza would think like this? Have you read anything about potential future steps and aspirations following this ceasefire? Have you seen the celebrations in Gaza? " I would agree on this but, there's been so many ceasefires that erode into conflict. What makes this ceasefire different? | |||
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"Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward. With nearly 50000 killed at least and more than 2 million forced out of their homes by the Israeli military there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate. Until a lasting peace and the issue of the occupied territories and Israeli illegal settlements is resolved. I can only see this conflict continuing. If you oppress and discriminate against a certain section of people you can only expect conflict. I find it hard to understand your armchair logic. "Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward", there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate? Do you honestly think the people of Gaza would think like this? Have you read anything about potential future steps and aspirations following this ceasefire? Have you seen the celebrations in Gaza? I get where Oats is coming from in relation to the long term and what is inevitably just a pause in the future till Hamas re arm and retrain more terrorists but I also get where you are coming from ..
Unless (and it's no ever going to happen under trump's presidency) there is a viable solution be that the two state one or something else the cycle of the inevitable will resume at some point..
And the innocents will continue to suffer..
I can see where the point made is coming from, 2 steps back.
I'm disappointed that a step in the right direction after such a bloody war is not welcomed with more of an appetite for hope.
There is no discussion about the meeting Wednesday in Norway, the international alliance, approx 80 countries were discussing 2 state options. No mention of the PA Prime Minister and his thoughts on Hamas post a ceasefire.
"The Israeli cabinet is going to make a final decision on the ceasefire. Members like ben-gvir are trying to block a ceasefire but hopefully it will be settled | |||
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"Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward. With nearly 50000 killed at least and more than 2 million forced out of their homes by the Israeli military there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate. Until a lasting peace and the issue of the occupied territories and Israeli illegal settlements is resolved. I can only see this conflict continuing. If you oppress and discriminate against a certain section of people you can only expect conflict. I find it hard to understand your armchair logic. "Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward", there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate? Do you honestly think the people of Gaza would think like this? Have you read anything about potential future steps and aspirations following this ceasefire? Have you seen the celebrations in Gaza? I would agree on this but, there's been so many ceasefires that erode into conflict. What makes this ceasefire different?" The support for Hamas has diminished. | |||
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"Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward. With nearly 50000 killed at least and more than 2 million forced out of their homes by the Israeli military there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate. Until a lasting peace and the issue of the occupied territories and Israeli illegal settlements is resolved. I can only see this conflict continuing. If you oppress and discriminate against a certain section of people you can only expect conflict. I find it hard to understand your armchair logic. "Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward", there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate? Do you honestly think the people of Gaza would think like this? Have you read anything about potential future steps and aspirations following this ceasefire? Have you seen the celebrations in Gaza? I would agree on this but, there's been so many ceasefires that erode into conflict. What makes this ceasefire different? The support for Hamas has diminished." I'd like to agree it I think that's a long shot but time will tell | |||
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"Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward. With nearly 50000 killed at least and more than 2 million forced out of their homes by the Israeli military there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate. Until a lasting peace and the issue of the occupied territories and Israeli illegal settlements is resolved. I can only see this conflict continuing. If you oppress and discriminate against a certain section of people you can only expect conflict. I find it hard to understand your armchair logic. "Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward", there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate? Do you honestly think the people of Gaza would think like this? Have you read anything about potential future steps and aspirations following this ceasefire? Have you seen the celebrations in Gaza? I would agree on this but, there's been so many ceasefires that erode into conflict. What makes this ceasefire different? The support for Hamas has diminished." Part of the deal is that Hamas won't to be charge anymore, that's right isn't it? Mrs x | |||
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"Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward. With nearly 50000 killed at least and more than 2 million forced out of their homes by the Israeli military there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate. Until a lasting peace and the issue of the occupied territories and Israeli illegal settlements is resolved. I can only see this conflict continuing. If you oppress and discriminate against a certain section of people you can only expect conflict. I find it hard to understand your armchair logic. "Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward", there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate? Do you honestly think the people of Gaza would think like this? Have you read anything about potential future steps and aspirations following this ceasefire? Have you seen the celebrations in Gaza? I would agree on this but, there's been so many ceasefires that erode into conflict. What makes this ceasefire different? The support for Hamas has diminished." i dou t that very much do you really think those that have lost brothers sisters mothers fathers other relatives and freinds aint going to want some sort of revenge somewhere down the line, its a nice thought and you may be correct in the short term, long term if it aint hamas it will be some other group, if we beluve the numbers that have been killed then id say your prob looking at every family in gaza has lost someone | |||
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"Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward. With nearly 50000 killed at least and more than 2 million forced out of their homes by the Israeli military there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate. Until a lasting peace and the issue of the occupied territories and Israeli illegal settlements is resolved. I can only see this conflict continuing. If you oppress and discriminate against a certain section of people you can only expect conflict. I find it hard to understand your armchair logic. "Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward", there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate? Do you honestly think the people of Gaza would think like this? Have you read anything about potential future steps and aspirations following this ceasefire? Have you seen the celebrations in Gaza? I would agree on this but, there's been so many ceasefires that erode into conflict. What makes this ceasefire different? The support for Hamas has diminished.Part of the deal is that Hamas won't to be charge anymore, that's right isn't it? Mrs x" I'm not sure if it formed part of the deal, but I understand there is no plans for Hamas to be governing Gaza post phase 2. It makes sense in terms of the rebuild efforts, and that rebuild could provide pathways to greater things. | |||
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"Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward. With nearly 50000 killed at least and more than 2 million forced out of their homes by the Israeli military there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate. Until a lasting peace and the issue of the occupied territories and Israeli illegal settlements is resolved. I can only see this conflict continuing. If you oppress and discriminate against a certain section of people you can only expect conflict. I find it hard to understand your armchair logic. "Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward", there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate? Do you honestly think the people of Gaza would think like this? Have you read anything about potential future steps and aspirations following this ceasefire? Have you seen the celebrations in Gaza? I would agree on this but, there's been so many ceasefires that erode into conflict. What makes this ceasefire different? The support for Hamas has diminished.Part of the deal is that Hamas won't to be charge anymore, that's right isn't it? Mrs x No. Israel has realised they cannot eliminate Hamas through firce as I said months ago. " No your wrong Mrs X I originally said Israel realised they couldn't eliminate Hamas, but after consideration - Israel knew they couldn't eliminate Hamas. Israel was just providing an excuse to "mow the lawn" as some vile Israel minister said a while ago with genocidal rhetoric. | |||
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"Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward. With nearly 50000 killed at least and more than 2 million forced out of their homes by the Israeli military there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate. Until a lasting peace and the issue of the occupied territories and Israeli illegal settlements is resolved. I can only see this conflict continuing. If you oppress and discriminate against a certain section of people you can only expect conflict. I find it hard to understand your armchair logic. "Apart from the potential of not being killed from the 19th onward", there is not much for the Palestinians of Gaza to celebrate? Do you honestly think the people of Gaza would think like this? Have you read anything about potential future steps and aspirations following this ceasefire? Have you seen the celebrations in Gaza? I would agree on this but, there's been so many ceasefires that erode into conflict. What makes this ceasefire different? The support for Hamas has diminished.Part of the deal is that Hamas won't to be charge anymore, that's right isn't it? Mrs x I'm not sure if it formed part of the deal, but I understand there is no plans for Hamas to be governing Gaza post phase 2. It makes sense in terms of the rebuild efforts, and that rebuild could provide pathways to greater things." There have been discussions between US, UAE and Israel about some sort of interim government. The international community have discussed the PA taking over the reigns. This has also been the preferred option for some other Middle East countries, most notably Saudi and Egypt. Looks like Hamas has diminishing support in the area. Mrs x | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x" Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict? | |||
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"Until the root causes of this conflict, which goes back more than a 100 years, are properly settled and addressed. This is something that will scar generations for the next century or more. That means both sides have to make difficult decisions and compromises. Where no side can laude victory over the other one as that will fuel resentment and the cycle will just continue. Both Israel and Palestine have committed atrocities over the years. Time to own to these, maybe this ceasefire can provide that opportunity…. But the past doesn’t have a good record on this. " | |||
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"Until the root causes of this conflict, which goes back more than a 100 years, are properly settled and addressed. This is something that will scar generations for the next century or more. That means both sides have to make difficult decisions and compromises. Where no side can laude victory over the other one as that will fuel resentment and the cycle will just continue. Both Israel and Palestine have committed atrocities over the years. Time to own to these, maybe this ceasefire can provide that opportunity…. But the past doesn’t have a good record on this. " Agreed.. If Israel abided by international law it might go some way in the long term for a lasting regional peace but they won't as long as America has their back and allows them to ignore .. | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?" Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x | |||
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"If Israel abided by international law it might go some way in the long term for a lasting regional peace but they won't as long as America has their back and allows them to ignore .." Israel doesn't want to be bound by the opinions of International law, for a good reason. Firstly, prejudice from Europe and the Arab world has been rife for centuries - so telling Jews what to do and what not to do, or where they can live - well they're understandably over it. This means that telling Jews they cannot live in Judea (The West Bank) is, in many Israeli eyes, prejudice - It's the literal area where Jewish culture formed. It's like telling Greeks that they can't live in Greece. Also, the idea that the land is occupied can be contested, depending on how you choose to interpret the law - whatever the UN says, the area was only technically occupied when Jordan conquered the West Bank and Egypt controlled the Gaza strip. Israel just took back what was legally meant to be theirs. To explain further, the British Mandate initially covered the entirety of the region - and while Britain messed it up good and proper, it was still a legal mandate agreed by the League of Nations. Thus far this mandate has never been updated; there has been no law yet to replace this mandate - the various partition plans were never legally binding and always rejected by the Arab side. Similarly, UN resolutions, unless from the Security Council, are merely statements of opinion and also not binding. | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x" But they haven't (yet), and if they did it would be worthy of the same condemnation so close to a ceasefire. If Israel always appear to be getting the blame, it might be worth reflecting on why (without playing the antisemitism card) | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x" Have you posted enough obnoxious comments regarding such an horrific war? I doubt it and posts like this are obnoxious | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x" This is a sickening post! - even for you. | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x But they haven't (yet), and if they did it would be worthy of the same condemnation so close to a ceasefire. If Israel always appear to be getting the blame, it might be worth reflecting on why (without playing the antisemitism card)" They won't have just targeted 77 innocent people, they will have considered it to be a military threat, a threat put there by Hamas maybe, since there is only two combatants in this conflict. Why no condemnation for Hamas doing this regardless of whether they are hiding behind human shields, Mrs x | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x any proof hamas are planning something? Any proof its hamas trying to change the deal and not Netanyahu? It almost sounds like you believe Netanyahu and his right wing cronies wouldn't tell lies🤔" No point asking mate. I think we're being trolled. You'll get some glib obnoxious reply to annoy people | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x But they haven't (yet), and if they did it would be worthy of the same condemnation so close to a ceasefire. If Israel always appear to be getting the blame, it might be worth reflecting on why (without playing the antisemitism card)They won't have just targeted 77 innocent people, they will have considered it to be a military threat, a threat put there by Hamas maybe, since there is only two combatants in this conflict. Why no condemnation for Hamas doing this regardless of whether they are hiding behind human shields, Mrs x" See what I mean? | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x But they haven't (yet), and if they did it would be worthy of the same condemnation so close to a ceasefire. If Israel always appear to be getting the blame, it might be worth reflecting on why (without playing the antisemitism card)They won't have just targeted 77 innocent people, they will have considered it to be a military threat, a threat put there by Hamas maybe, since there is only two combatants in this conflict. Why no condemnation for Hamas doing this regardless of whether they are hiding behind human shields, Mrs x" Why no condemnation? Because it's a fictitious scenario you've invented to excuse gratuitous murder of civilians by an out-of-control state. | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x any proof hamas are planning something? Any proof its hamas trying to change the deal and not Netanyahu? It almost sounds like you believe Netanyahu and his right wing cronies wouldn't tell lies🤔" I never said i have proof, it's been reported on the news. Remember that, the thing we're actually adults, who were professional reporters, reported facts they had come into possession of to their audience. Not X, and two spotty, conspiracy theory loving, teenage boys chatting online from their bedrooms.not them but the actual news, turn it on and have a look. It's interesting. Flipping your argument, it sounds like you believe everything Hamas has told the world, like the numbers of civilian deaths but left out how they included 5000 deaths from cancer sufferers, how they changed the sex and age of some of the victims to make it look like more woman & children were killed. Or what about the story of how an Israeli Apache helicopter actually attacked Israelis on Oct 7th and they showed video of this attack by the IDF on its own population only for it to be disproved, it was actual footage from days later of an attack on Hamas terrorist days later. Or probably the worst lie, when they tried to say the photo of that poor baby burned alive in an oven was faked by Israel only for that to be proved it was a lie. So you believe Israel lie but Hamas doesn't. Mrs x | |||
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"It is common for war to continue right up to the very second a ceasefire begins. We might hear of sporadic fighting for a few days after the ceasefire too. Poor discipline, lack of trust etc etc. " Agreed. But not airstrikes to kill 80 civilians. What happens if Hamas slot 80 more prisoners | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x any proof hamas are planning something? Any proof its hamas trying to change the deal and not Netanyahu? It almost sounds like you believe Netanyahu and his right wing cronies wouldn't tell lies🤔 No point asking mate. I think we're being trolled. You'll get some glib obnoxious reply to annoy people " Talking about replies, you still haven't replied as to why Hamas is NOT an Islamist group. You said its been explained but it hasn't. So is a Hamas Islamist or not, because they obviously believe themselves to be? Mrs x | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x any proof hamas are planning something? Any proof its hamas trying to change the deal and not Netanyahu? It almost sounds like you believe Netanyahu and his right wing cronies wouldn't tell lies🤔 No point asking mate. I think we're being trolled. You'll get some glib obnoxious reply to annoy people Talking about replies, you still haven't replied as to why Hamas is NOT an Islamist group. You said its been explained but it hasn't. So is a Hamas Islamist or not, because they obviously believe themselves to be? Mrs x" Haven't you posted enough obnoxious glib sickening rhetoric on here for today? | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x any proof hamas are planning something? Any proof its hamas trying to change the deal and not Netanyahu? It almost sounds like you believe Netanyahu and his right wing cronies wouldn't tell lies🤔I never said i have proof, it's been reported on the news. Remember that, the thing we're actually adults, who were professional reporters, reported facts they had come into possession of to their audience. Not X, and two spotty, conspiracy theory loving, teenage boys chatting online from their bedrooms.not them but the actual news, turn it on and have a look. It's interesting. Flipping your argument, it sounds like you believe everything Hamas has told the world, like the numbers of civilian deaths but left out how they included 5000 deaths from cancer sufferers, how they changed the sex and age of some of the victims to make it look like more woman & children were killed. Or what about the story of how an Israeli Apache helicopter actually attacked Israelis on Oct 7th and they showed video of this attack by the IDF on its own population only for it to be disproved, it was actual footage from days later of an attack on Hamas terrorist days later. Or probably the worst lie, when they tried to say the photo of that poor baby burned alive in an oven was faked by Israel only for that to be proved it was a lie. So you believe Israel lie but Hamas doesn't. Mrs x " On the media reporting, given Israel have banned journalists from some of the most respected global organisations any information coming out simply can't be looked at without a sceptical eye.. | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x any proof hamas are planning something? Any proof its hamas trying to change the deal and not Netanyahu? It almost sounds like you believe Netanyahu and his right wing cronies wouldn't tell lies🤔I never said i have proof, it's been reported on the news. Remember that, the thing we're actually adults, who were professional reporters, reported facts they had come into possession of to their audience. Not X, and two spotty, conspiracy theory loving, teenage boys chatting online from their bedrooms.not them but the actual news, turn it on and have a look. It's interesting. Flipping your argument, it sounds like you believe everything Hamas has told the world, like the numbers of civilian deaths but left out how they included 5000 deaths from cancer sufferers, how they changed the sex and age of some of the victims to make it look like more woman & children were killed. Or what about the story of how an Israeli Apache helicopter actually attacked Israelis on Oct 7th and they showed video of this attack by the IDF on its own population only for it to be disproved, it was actual footage from days later of an attack on Hamas terrorist days later. Or probably the worst lie, when they tried to say the photo of that poor baby burned alive in an oven was faked by Israel only for that to be proved it was a lie. So you believe Israel lie but Hamas doesn't. Mrs x On the media reporting, given Israel have banned journalists from some of the most respected global organisations any information coming out simply can't be looked at without a sceptical eye.." These reports are not from Israel, they are from the negotiations which aren't held there. So if you cannot trust the information from the news, where are you getting your information from? Mrs x | |||
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"Even if there is a ceasefire, how long will it be before the Palestinian Hamas break it? Minutes or hours? Maybe even a day or two, but the one thing that is always certain in the Middle East - Islamic terrorist groups are never to be trusted. Violence is their raison d'être." Can't be terrorists without someone to terrorise that's true. Mrs x | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x any proof hamas are planning something? Any proof its hamas trying to change the deal and not Netanyahu? It almost sounds like you believe Netanyahu and his right wing cronies wouldn't tell lies🤔I never said i have proof, it's been reported on the news. Remember that, the thing we're actually adults, who were professional reporters, reported facts they had come into possession of to their audience. Not X, and two spotty, conspiracy theory loving, teenage boys chatting online from their bedrooms.not them but the actual news, turn it on and have a look. It's interesting. Flipping your argument, it sounds like you believe everything Hamas has told the world, like the numbers of civilian deaths but left out how they included 5000 deaths from cancer sufferers, how they changed the sex and age of some of the victims to make it look like more woman & children were killed. Or what about the story of how an Israeli Apache helicopter actually attacked Israelis on Oct 7th and they showed video of this attack by the IDF on its own population only for it to be disproved, it was actual footage from days later of an attack on Hamas terrorist days later. Or probably the worst lie, when they tried to say the photo of that poor baby burned alive in an oven was faked by Israel only for that to be proved it was a lie. So you believe Israel lie but Hamas doesn't. Mrs x On the media reporting, given Israel have banned journalists from some of the most respected global organisations any information coming out simply can't be looked at without a sceptical eye.." Also how come a simple Google search comes up with dozens of reports from media outlets such as CNN, Al Jazeera, BBC, CBS, NBC, Reuters, Sky. France 24 I could go on and on. And it's reported daily in the press, right around the world. So why can't this media be trusted? Mrs x | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x any proof hamas are planning something? Any proof its hamas trying to change the deal and not Netanyahu? It almost sounds like you believe Netanyahu and his right wing cronies wouldn't tell lies🤔I never said i have proof, it's been reported on the news. Remember that, the thing we're actually adults, who were professional reporters, reported facts they had come into possession of to their audience. Not X, and two spotty, conspiracy theory loving, teenage boys chatting online from their bedrooms.not them but the actual news, turn it on and have a look. It's interesting. Flipping your argument, it sounds like you believe everything Hamas has told the world, like the numbers of civilian deaths but left out how they included 5000 deaths from cancer sufferers, how they changed the sex and age of some of the victims to make it look like more woman & children were killed. Or what about the story of how an Israeli Apache helicopter actually attacked Israelis on Oct 7th and they showed video of this attack by the IDF on its own population only for it to be disproved, it was actual footage from days later of an attack on Hamas terrorist days later. Or probably the worst lie, when they tried to say the photo of that poor baby burned alive in an oven was faked by Israel only for that to be proved it was a lie. So you believe Israel lie but Hamas doesn't. Mrs x On the media reporting, given Israel have banned journalists from some of the most respected global organisations any information coming out simply can't be looked at without a sceptical eye..These reports are not from Israel, they are from the negotiations which aren't held there. So if you cannot trust the information from the news, where are you getting your information from? Mrs x" Your saying reporters from the negotiations said that Hamas have stated they are trying to change the deal? I thought you meant from in Gaza so apologies for any confusion.. Tbh I said on here literally just after the attacks of 7th Oct that neither side can be trusted to tell the truth in relation to the conflict.. Independent journalists if they were allowed to are a more preferred option.. (Not just the BBC, before the anti been types pop up)  | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x any proof hamas are planning something? Any proof its hamas trying to change the deal and not Netanyahu? It almost sounds like you believe Netanyahu and his right wing cronies wouldn't tell lies🤔 No point asking mate. I think we're being trolled. You'll get some glib obnoxious reply to annoy people Talking about replies, you still haven't replied as to why Hamas is NOT an Islamist group. You said its been explained but it hasn't. So is a Hamas Islamist or not, because they obviously believe themselves to be? Mrs x Haven't you posted enough obnoxious glib sickening rhetoric on here for today?" ..."obnoxious glib sickening rhetoric", not sure you understand what rhetoric is, I only asked a question? Cant answer it can you? It's full title is 'The Islamic Resistance Movement', If that helps you. Mrs x | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x any proof hamas are planning something? Any proof its hamas trying to change the deal and not Netanyahu? It almost sounds like you believe Netanyahu and his right wing cronies wouldn't tell lies🤔I never said i have proof, it's been reported on the news. Remember that, the thing we're actually adults, who were professional reporters, reported facts they had come into possession of to their audience. Not X, and two spotty, conspiracy theory loving, teenage boys chatting online from their bedrooms.not them but the actual news, turn it on and have a look. It's interesting. Flipping your argument, it sounds like you believe everything Hamas has told the world, like the numbers of civilian deaths but left out how they included 5000 deaths from cancer sufferers, how they changed the sex and age of some of the victims to make it look like more woman & children were killed. Or what about the story of how an Israeli Apache helicopter actually attacked Israelis on Oct 7th and they showed video of this attack by the IDF on its own population only for it to be disproved, it was actual footage from days later of an attack on Hamas terrorist days later. Or probably the worst lie, when they tried to say the photo of that poor baby burned alive in an oven was faked by Israel only for that to be proved it was a lie. So you believe Israel lie but Hamas doesn't. Mrs x On the media reporting, given Israel have banned journalists from some of the most respected global organisations any information coming out simply can't be looked at without a sceptical eye..These reports are not from Israel, they are from the negotiations which aren't held there. So if you cannot trust the information from the news, where are you getting your information from? Mrs x Your saying reporters from the negotiations said that Hamas have stated they are trying to change the deal? I thought you meant from in Gaza so apologies for any confusion.. Tbh I said on here literally just after the attacks of 7th Oct that neither side can be trusted to tell the truth in relation to the conflict.. Independent journalists if they were allowed to are a more preferred option.. (Not just the BBC, before the anti been types pop up) "Never had any problem finding news on the conflict from all sides, Arabic, Jewish, European, International and this is from smaller groups as well as all the big players. Even got access to all the Fact Checkers and they are valuable in cutting through the bullshit, like the Israeli Apache attack on its own citizens on Oct 7th and also the lies about the baby burnt alive in an oven during the same attack. Mrs x | |||
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"And to be fair I'm not saying Hamas are trying to renegotiate, just that Israel are saying this and the reporters are 'hearing' it might be to do with the release of terrorists involved with the Oct 7th attack who have already recieved life sentences for their crimes. This is a recline for Israel and they consider it non negotiable. The story suggests Hamas knows this but wants to renegotiate this. Mrs x" You post some offensive and odious offensive crap on such an horrific event. | |||
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"And to be fair I'm not saying Hamas are trying to renegotiate, just that Israel are saying this and the reporters are 'hearing' it might be to do with the release of terrorists involved with the Oct 7th attack who have already recieved life sentences for their crimes. This is a recline for Israel and they consider it non negotiable. The story suggests Hamas knows this but wants to renegotiate this. Mrs x You post some offensive and odious offensive crap on such an horrific event. " Your not addressing the post, you've chosen only to attack the poster.. Which is against the sites rules.. | |||
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"The number of deaths reported by the gaza health ministry is deemed ' generally accurate ' according to the Israeli intelligence service. " The figures given by the officials have been independently reported to be inaccurate. The Henry Kackson Society released a report showing inaccuracies including, the adding of the deaths of 5000 terminal cancer sufferers, the changing of sex and age of victims to make it look like more woman and children were killed. By lowering the age of males it's made it look like less combatants were killed than actually are. It's not just one report that criticises the numbers. Even the Hazan authorities claim their data is flawed. From April 2024 - 'The Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health said on April 6 that it had “incomplete data” for 11,371 of the 33,091 Palestinian fatalities it claims to have documented. In a statistical report, the ministry notes that it considers an individual record to be incomplete if it is missing any of the following key data points: identity number, full name, date of birth, or date of death. The health ministry also released a report on April 3 that acknowledged the presence of incomplete data but did not define what it meant by “incomplete.” In that earlier report, the ministry acknowledged the incompleteness of 12,263 records. It is unclear why, after just three more days, the number fell to 11,371 — a decrease of more than 900 records. Prior to its admissions of incomplete data, the health ministry asserted that the information in more than 15,000 fatality records had stemmed from “reliable media sources.” However, the ministry never identified the sources in question and Gaza has no independent media. Expert Analysis “The sudden shifts in the ministry’s reporting methods suggest it is scrambling to prevent exposure of its shoddy work. For months, U.S. media have taken for granted that the ministry’s top-line figure for casualties was reliable enough to include in daily updates on the war. Even President Biden has cited its numbers. Now we’re seeing that a third or more of the ministry’s data may be incomplete at best — and fictional at worst.” ' So the figures are widely accepted as correct. Can you tell me how many combatants the figures quoted contain as to the number of civilians? Mrs x | |||
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"And to be fair I'm not saying Hamas are trying to renegotiate, just that Israel are saying this and the reporters are 'hearing' it might be to do with the release of terrorists involved with the Oct 7th attack who have already recieved life sentences for their crimes. This is a recline for Israel and they consider it non negotiable. The story suggests Hamas knows this but wants to renegotiate this. Mrs x You post some offensive and odious offensive crap on such an horrific event. Your not addressing the post, you've chosen only to attack the poster.. Which is against the sites rules.. " It's OK, I'm used to it now, even on posts when I've said it's not me saying this, I'm just quoting from Sky, BBC, Reuters etc. Are they 'offensive and odious' or is it just me? Mrs x | |||
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"The number of deaths reported by the gaza health ministry is deemed ' generally accurate ' according to the Israeli intelligence service. According to a recent report in The Lancet the Hamas numbers are likely to be an under estimate." I'm not denying that this has been said but there are reports out there criticising the data, the authorities reporting and manipulation of the data. The fact that there is no number of combatants killed reported by the authorities is a huge issue. You never hear anyone saying the number of combatants, men, woman and children killed today is x, y or z. You do always hear the number of woman and children killed yoday was x, y or z. Thats a pure propoganda tool by Hamas to make it look like Israel is just killing woman and kids, 46,000 of them but that's just not true. A significant number of these must be combatants but the authorities never release that figure . They don't even say 'men' anymore when referring to those killed. And as I've just posted the authorities are not able to accurately rely on the data for approximately 12,000 of these victims, a quarter of those killed. Mrs x | |||
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"And to be fair I'm not saying Hamas are trying to renegotiate, just that Israel are saying this and the reporters are 'hearing' it might be to do with the release of terrorists involved with the Oct 7th attack who have already recieved life sentences for their crimes. This is a recline for Israel and they consider it non negotiable. The story suggests Hamas knows this but wants to renegotiate this. Mrs x You post some offensive and odious offensive crap on such an horrific event. Your not addressing the post, you've chosen only to attack the poster.. Which is against the sites rules.. It's OK, I'm used to it now, even on posts when I've said it's not me saying this, I'm just quoting from Sky, BBC, Reuters etc. Are they 'offensive and odious' or is it just me? Mrs x You've also just quoted the Henry Jackson society which is far, far from an impartial body.. If as stated the Israeli intelligence service is saying the Hamas figure are fairly accurate, it seems strange that they and the Henry Jackson society are at odds?" The quote I have posted regarding the accuracy of the data and the Palestinian authorities admission about them not being able to process this data accurately was not from the Henry Jackson Society report. And just because a source has a specific leaning doesn't mean it's not correct in what it's saying. It did not just pull out of the ether fallacies about this reporting of casualties, they supplied evidence fir each point they made. Read it for yourself. Also the press in all countries leans one way or another politically. Each can be said to have an agenda but they still have to back up what the say. You cannot simply discount what the Telegraph has to say about Labour or The Guardian about the Conservatives because they are in opposition to either side politically. Surely you read what they say, look at the evidence and make your own mind up about it. The Watergate Scandal was broken by The Washington Post and the rest is history. They were a Democrat leaning paper, did not endorse Nixon but nobody said that their story was false or inaccurate because they didn't agree with Nixon the Republican. They reported the story, gave their facts and supplied proof and let people make up their minds. So you can be partisan to a degree but if you tell the truth, back it up with evidence then it should be hard for people to not believe it. Unfortunately we now live in social media age, we're the truth is not as important as likes or views. Read the report see for yourself. Mrs x | |||
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"lol that well known impartial Henry Jackson Society. How are the cancer patients going to receive treatment when the hospitals have been destroyed?" I'm not saying it's humane but these cancer patients were terminal, their deaths tragic as they are were inevitable and not a direct consequence of the war. It's a bit like me saying it's was Hamass fault, they killed these poor individuals because they knew what would happen after Oct 7th. But in reality it was a horrendous disease which killed them. Their suffering wasn't easier by either Hamas or Israel, one destroying hospitals following a war which was instigated by the other. But to include them as being actively killed by this conflict is a manipulation of tge truth. Mrs x | |||
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"I don't know how you could count the dead accurately when so many are buried under rubble and so many are literally blown to pieces, and so many are displaced, while to bombs are still flying. " Agreed you can't but you can when you have the bodies and to manipulate things such as age, sex and add on thousand who had terminal diseases is wrong. But if you are paid by this terrorist group then I suppose you do what they tell you to do. Mrs x | |||
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"And to be fair I'm not saying Hamas are trying to renegotiate, just that Israel are saying this and the reporters are 'hearing' it might be to do with the release of terrorists involved with the Oct 7th attack who have already recieved life sentences for their crimes. This is a recline for Israel and they consider it non negotiable. The story suggests Hamas knows this but wants to renegotiate this. Mrs x You post some offensive and odious offensive crap on such an horrific event. Your not addressing the post, you've chosen only to attack the poster.. Which is against the sites rules.. It's OK, I'm used to it now, even on posts when I've said it's not me saying this, I'm just quoting from Sky, BBC, Reuters etc. Are they 'offensive and odious' or is it just me? Mrs x" Yes I'm used to it too from certain corners, and I have been attacked by more than one referring to me as the third person. even though I'm also referring to material that I haven't said either. | |||
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"And to be fair I'm not saying Hamas are trying to renegotiate, just that Israel are saying this and the reporters are 'hearing' it might be to do with the release of terrorists involved with the Oct 7th attack who have already recieved life sentences for their crimes. This is a recline for Israel and they consider it non negotiable. The story suggests Hamas knows this but wants to renegotiate this. Mrs x You post some offensive and odious offensive crap on such an horrific event. Your not addressing the post, you've chosen only to attack the poster.. Which is against the sites rules.. I get personally attacked too unfortunately Then report it.. You clearly have a personal issue with one particular poster, going by several threads where after engaging in debate you resort to personal abuse.. Its not the best look, maybe try and rise above that.. Unfortunately they both wind each other up." Come on, that's not fair, I try and use facts in everything I post, Mrs x | |||
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"I don't know how you could count the dead accurately when so many are buried under rubble and so many are literally blown to pieces, and so many are displaced, while to bombs are still flying. Agreed you can't but you can when you have the bodies and to manipulate things such as age, sex and add on thousand who had terminal diseases is wrong. But if you are paid by this terrorist group then I suppose you do what they tell you to do. Mrs x" Why do you think cancer sufferers should not have been included in? The Israeli army have destroyed the hospitals where they would have received their treatment. I am receiving radiotherapy at the Christie, without that facility being available my chances of survival would be greatly reduced. | |||
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"And to be fair I'm not saying Hamas are trying to renegotiate, just that Israel are saying this and the reporters are 'hearing' it might be to do with the release of terrorists involved with the Oct 7th attack who have already recieved life sentences for their crimes. This is a recline for Israel and they consider it non negotiable. The story suggests Hamas knows this but wants to renegotiate this. Mrs x You post some offensive and odious offensive crap on such an horrific event. Your not addressing the post, you've chosen only to attack the poster.. Which is against the sites rules.. I get personally attacked too unfortunately Then report it.. You clearly have a personal issue with one particular poster, going by several threads where after engaging in debate you resort to personal abuse.. Its not the best look, maybe try and rise above that.. Unfortunately they both wind each other up." They do yes.. | |||
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"I don't know how you could count the dead accurately when so many are buried under rubble and so many are literally blown to pieces, and so many are displaced, while to bombs are still flying. Agreed you can't but you can when you have the bodies and to manipulate things such as age, sex and add on thousand who had terminal diseases is wrong. But if you are paid by this terrorist group then I suppose you do what they tell you to do. Mrs x Why do you think cancer sufferers should not have been included in? The Israeli army have destroyed the hospitals where they would have received their treatment. I am receiving radiotherapy at the Christie, without that facility being available my chances of survival would be greatly reduced." But if Hamas hadn't started the conflict? I'm not saying I believe in that but both arguments have the same validity. But unless they were killed in the conflict they shouldn't be included in the numbers. You wouldn't include the elderly, in these figures, who die from natural causes. Mrs x | |||
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"I don't know how you could count the dead accurately when so many are buried under rubble and so many are literally blown to pieces, and so many are displaced, while to bombs are still flying. Agreed you can't but you can when you have the bodies and to manipulate things such as age, sex and add on thousand who had terminal diseases is wrong. But if you are paid by this terrorist group then I suppose you do what they tell you to do. Mrs x" When there's unequal access to territory, it's not a likely easy task, especially when people have had sustained lack of nutrition, shelter and have had chronic attack and removal of medical facilities. Even once this temporary ceasefire is active, some of those conditions will remain. The 2 sides are very unequal and will be sustained on this basis. Israel has prevented access to foreign journalists, making validation of claims impossible. | |||
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"I don't know how you could count the dead accurately when so many are buried under rubble and so many are literally blown to pieces, and so many are displaced, while to bombs are still flying. Agreed you can't but you can when you have the bodies and to manipulate things such as age, sex and add on thousand who had terminal diseases is wrong. But if you are paid by this terrorist group then I suppose you do what they tell you to do. Mrs x Why do you think cancer sufferers should not have been included in? The Israeli army have destroyed the hospitals where they would have received their treatment. I am receiving radiotherapy at the Christie, without that facility being available my chances of survival would be greatly reduced.But if Hamas hadn't started the conflict? I'm not saying I believe in that but both arguments have the same validity. But unless they were killed in the conflict they shouldn't be included in the numbers. You wouldn't include the elderly, in these figures, who die from natural causes. Mrs x" Destroyed hospitals isn’t natural. | |||
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"I don't know how you could count the dead accurately when so many are buried under rubble and so many are literally blown to pieces, and so many are displaced, while to bombs are still flying. Agreed you can't but you can when you have the bodies and to manipulate things such as age, sex and add on thousand who had terminal diseases is wrong. But if you are paid by this terrorist group then I suppose you do what they tell you to do. Mrs x Why do you think cancer sufferers should not have been included in? The Israeli army have destroyed the hospitals where they would have received their treatment. I am receiving radiotherapy at the Christie, without that facility being available my chances of survival would be greatly reduced.But if Hamas hadn't started the conflict? I'm not saying I believe in that but both arguments have the same validity. But unless they were killed in the conflict they shouldn't be included in the numbers. You wouldn't include the elderly, in these figures, who die from natural causes. Mrs x Destroyed hospitals isn’t natural." I agree but neither is starting a war, Mrs x | |||
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"I don't know how you could count the dead accurately when so many are buried under rubble and so many are literally blown to pieces, and so many are displaced, while to bombs are still flying. Agreed you can't but you can when you have the bodies and to manipulate things such as age, sex and add on thousand who had terminal diseases is wrong. But if you are paid by this terrorist group then I suppose you do what they tell you to do. Mrs x Why do you think cancer sufferers should not have been included in? The Israeli army have destroyed the hospitals where they would have received their treatment. I am receiving radiotherapy at the Christie, without that facility being available my chances of survival would be greatly reduced.But if Hamas hadn't started the conflict? I'm not saying I believe in that but both arguments have the same validity. But unless they were killed in the conflict they shouldn't be included in the numbers. You wouldn't include the elderly, in these figures, who die from natural causes. Mrs x Destroyed hospitals isn’t natural." This is why the Palestinian Hamas use them as military bases. | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x any proof hamas are planning something? Any proof its hamas trying to change the deal and not Netanyahu? It almost sounds like you believe Netanyahu and his right wing cronies wouldn't tell lies🤔I never said i have proof, it's been reported on the news. Remember that, the thing we're actually adults, who were professional reporters, reported facts they had come into possession of to their audience. Not X, and two spotty, conspiracy theory loving, teenage boys chatting online from their bedrooms.not them but the actual news, turn it on and have a look. It's interesting. Flipping your argument, it sounds like you believe everything Hamas has told the world, like the numbers of civilian deaths but left out how they included 5000 deaths from cancer sufferers, how they changed the sex and age of some of the victims to make it look like more woman & children were killed. Or what about the story of how an Israeli Apache helicopter actually attacked Israelis on Oct 7th and they showed video of this attack by the IDF on its own population only for it to be disproved, it was actual footage from days later of an attack on Hamas terrorist days later. Or probably the worst lie, when they tried to say the photo of that poor baby burned alive in an oven was faked by Israel only for that to be proved it was a lie. So you believe Israel lie but Hamas doesn't. Mrs x " These Above are the reasons why this opinion is believed by 15% of the population. | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x any proof hamas are planning something? Any proof its hamas trying to change the deal and not Netanyahu? It almost sounds like you believe Netanyahu and his right wing cronies wouldn't tell lies🤔I never said i have proof, it's been reported on the news. Remember that, the thing we're actually adults, who were professional reporters, reported facts they had come into possession of to their audience. Not X, and two spotty, conspiracy theory loving, teenage boys chatting online from their bedrooms.not them but the actual news, turn it on and have a look. It's interesting. Flipping your argument, it sounds like you believe everything Hamas has told the world, like the numbers of civilian deaths but left out how they included 5000 deaths from cancer sufferers, how they changed the sex and age of some of the victims to make it look like more woman & children were killed. Or what about the story of how an Israeli Apache helicopter actually attacked Israelis on Oct 7th and they showed video of this attack by the IDF on its own population only for it to be disproved, it was actual footage from days later of an attack on Hamas terrorist days later. Or probably the worst lie, when they tried to say the photo of that poor baby burned alive in an oven was faked by Israel only for that to be proved it was a lie. So you believe Israel lie but Hamas doesn't. Mrs x On the media reporting, given Israel have banned journalists from some of the most respected global organisations any information coming out simply can't be looked at without a sceptical eye..These reports are not from Israel, they are from the negotiations which aren't held there. So if you cannot trust the information from the news, where are you getting your information from? Mrs x" Not where you are getting your news from. | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x any proof hamas are planning something? Any proof its hamas trying to change the deal and not Netanyahu? It almost sounds like you believe Netanyahu and his right wing cronies wouldn't tell lies🤔I never said i have proof, it's been reported on the news. Remember that, the thing we're actually adults, who were professional reporters, reported facts they had come into possession of to their audience. Not X, and two spotty, conspiracy theory loving, teenage boys chatting online from their bedrooms.not them but the actual news, turn it on and have a look. It's interesting. Flipping your argument, it sounds like you believe everything Hamas has told the world, like the numbers of civilian deaths but left out how they included 5000 deaths from cancer sufferers, how they changed the sex and age of some of the victims to make it look like more woman & children were killed. Or what about the story of how an Israeli Apache helicopter actually attacked Israelis on Oct 7th and they showed video of this attack by the IDF on its own population only for it to be disproved, it was actual footage from days later of an attack on Hamas terrorist days later. Or probably the worst lie, when they tried to say the photo of that poor baby burned alive in an oven was faked by Israel only for that to be proved it was a lie. So you believe Israel lie but Hamas doesn't. Mrs x On the media reporting, given Israel have banned journalists from some of the most respected global organisations any information coming out simply can't be looked at without a sceptical eye..Also how come a simple Google search comes up with dozens of reports from media outlets such as CNN, Al Jazeera, BBC, CBS, NBC, Reuters, Sky. France 24 I could go on and on. And it's reported daily in the press, right around the world. So why can't this media be trusted? Mrs x" Because Israeli lobby groups shower our politicians and news outlets with money, any other news outlet or politician who do not accept Israels position are racists anti semitic or hate Israeli. | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x any proof hamas are planning something? Any proof its hamas trying to change the deal and not Netanyahu? It almost sounds like you believe Netanyahu and his right wing cronies wouldn't tell lies🤔 No point asking mate. I think we're being trolled. You'll get some glib obnoxious reply to annoy people Talking about replies, you still haven't replied as to why Hamas is NOT an Islamist group. You said its been explained but it hasn't. So is a Hamas Islamist or not, because they obviously believe themselves to be? Mrs x Haven't you posted enough obnoxious glib sickening rhetoric on here for today?..."obnoxious glib sickening rhetoric", not sure you understand what rhetoric is, I only asked a question? Cant answer it can you? It's full title is 'The Islamic Resistance Movement', If that helps you. Mrs x" What are they resisting? | |||
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"lol that well known impartial Henry Jackson Society. How are the cancer patients going to receive treatment when the hospitals have been destroyed?" I know what you mean, but you have to think who you are answering. Yes cancer patients who are terminal, killed in their hospital beds, before cancer actually took their lives due to being no treatment places due to bombardment cannot be counted because they would of died anyway. stupid is as stupid gets. | |||
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"All the news outlets announced the peace deal last night, while another 70 Palestinians were killed by air strikes this morning Will this last. Ceasefire is not till Sunday and Israel are stating Hamas is making more demands, so it might not even start, Mrs x Hamas making demands seems less of a deal breaker than Israel's strikes overnight that killed 77. Is it really necessary for Israel's bloodlust to continue up until the stroke of midnight on 18th January? What does that bring in this stage of the conflict?Maybe it was worth the risk militarily, you or I have no idea why but until tge ceasefire comes into effect there is no ceasefire. It would seem logical tgat all sides are aware of this. Funny how it's always Israel who get the blame, what about if Hamas were planning something so dangerous it had to be dealt with. But yeah just blame Israel. Mrs x any proof hamas are planning something? Any proof its hamas trying to change the deal and not Netanyahu? It almost sounds like you believe Netanyahu and his right wing cronies wouldn't tell lies🤔 No point asking mate. I think we're being trolled. You'll get some glib obnoxious reply to annoy people Talking about replies, you still haven't replied as to why Hamas is NOT an Islamist group. You said its been explained but it hasn't. So is a Hamas Islamist or not, because they obviously believe themselves to be? Mrs x Haven't you posted enough obnoxious glib sickening rhetoric on here for today?..."obnoxious glib sickening rhetoric", not sure you understand what rhetoric is, I only asked a question? Cant answer it can you? It's full title is 'The Islamic Resistance Movement', If that helps you. Mrs x What are they resisting?" Ask them, they might tell you, Mrs x | |||
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"Simple question why don't the far right members of Netanyahu's government want a ceasefire? Is it because they hate the Palestinians and secretly want to clear Gaza to build new settlements." Why do you think that is a simple question? Every country has left and right leaning politicians, Israel will be no different, the same as Palestinians who support Hamas want to clear Israel and make it their own. I'm regularly surprised at peoples opinions and how they take a side / form an opinion, similar to the side they rally against and with no dog in the race. | |||
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"Israel has been attacking it's neibours since its violent creation based on the displacement of locals for an exclusive extremist Zionist country. Bit like Isis extremists wanting an exclusive caliphate but with the backing of the USA " Of the 5 previous wars Istael has had only one could have been suggested that Istael struck first and tgat was due to the build up of troops on its borders. You say things that just aren't true. Israel defends itself from attacks by its neighbours and it does this to protect its citizens not hide behind them. Terrorism needs to be eradicated from the earth, including those that target the Jews. Mrscx | |||
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"Simple question why don't the far right members of Netanyahu's government want a ceasefire? Is it because they hate the Palestinians and secretly want to clear Gaza to build new settlements. Why do you think that is a simple question? Every country has left and right leaning politicians, Israel will be no different, the same as Palestinians who support Hamas want to clear Israel and make it their own. I'm regularly surprised at peoples opinions and how they take a side / form an opinion, similar to the side they rally against and with no dog in the race. People will take a side and form an opinion based upon what they see, be that the barbarity of the Oct 7 attack or the equally barbaric thousands of deaths of innocents in Gaza.. A person doesn't need to have a dog in the fight to be disgusted nor as we see here when a bystander will intervene to try to prevent someone they have never met being beaten up or pick up anything handy to try to stop a terrorist wielding a knife from attacking more innocent people.. Human nature (for some) to do such things.. " I think the poster was talking about dogmatic views and the tribalism shown on here. But that's just my take on what he meant i could be totally wrong. You make a good point though, Mrs x | |||
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"Simple question why don't the far right members of Netanyahu's government want a ceasefire? Is it because they hate the Palestinians and secretly want to clear Gaza to build new settlements. Why do you think that is a simple question? Every country has left and right leaning politicians, Israel will be no different, the same as Palestinians who support Hamas want to clear Israel and make it their own. I'm regularly surprised at peoples opinions and how they take a side / form an opinion, similar to the side they rally against and with no dog in the race. It does make you wonder what is the real motivation for certain individuals that condemn Israel constantly, without regard for the fact that they have come under almost constant attacks by more than one terrorist state, Mrs x" Well my motivation is that what you refuse to believe in. Equality and rights for all innocent people, not just just for their sake but for ours too, before we sink down to their standards - it's something that's beyond your understanding. | |||
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"Israel has been attacking it's neibours since its violent creation based on the displacement of locals for an exclusive extremist Zionist country." That is not how it happened though. Arabs have been attacking Jews for centuries, although during this time the attacks go back to the late 19th century - and it was always Arabs (or Ottomans) who attacked first. Israel declared independence within the borders agreed by the 1947 Partition Plan - and invited everyone, Jew, Arab and Christian to help form this new country. The Arab Higher Committee did not like this, promised to finish the job that Hitler started and several nations attacked almost immediately. Nobody was displaced for about four months into the war - some people were expelled for strategic reasons, some were encouraged to leave by local leaders and some just fled anyway. The Arab armies were defeated, but Egypt and Jordan occupied the disputed territories - the ones who remained in Israel eventually become Israeli citizens, where they now have more rights than anyone else in the Arab world. | |||
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"Israel has been attacking it's neibours since its violent creation based on the displacement of locals for an exclusive extremist Zionist country. Bit like Isis extremists wanting an exclusive caliphate but with the backing of the USA Of the 5 previous wars Istael has had only one could have been suggested that Istael struck first and tgat was due to the build up of troops on its borders. You say things that just aren't true. Israel defends itself from attacks by its neighbours and it does this to protect its citizens not hide behind them. Terrorism needs to be eradicated from the earth, including those that target the Jews. Mrscx Israel started the war in 1948. So not sure why your failing to mention that. Is it because your cherry picking history " 1948 Israel declared Independence on the 14th May 1948 and came into existence. The very next day it was invaded by forces from Egypt, Transordan, Syria and Iraq. That enough cherries for you our do you want more. While we are on the topic of you not being factually accurate, any more thoughts on that bunch of lies about the Israeli Apache Helicopter that DIDNT shoot any Israelis on Oct 7th, or have you conveniently forgotten about that and what you said, you did say you'd retract it, if you were wrong, I'm sure you did? Mrs x | |||
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"Israel has been attacking it's neibours since its violent creation based on the displacement of locals for an exclusive extremist Zionist country. That is not how it happened though. Arabs have been attacking Jews for centuries, although during this time the attacks go back to the late 19th century - and it was always Arabs (or Ottomans) who attacked first. Israel declared independence within the borders agreed by the 1947 Partition Plan - and invited everyone, Jew, Arab and Christian to help form this new country. The Arab Higher Committee did not like this, promised to finish the job that Hitler started and several nations attacked almost immediately. Nobody was displaced for about four months into the war - some people were expelled for strategic reasons, some were encouraged to leave by local leaders and some just fled anyway. The Arab armies were defeated, but Egypt and Jordan occupied the disputed territories - the ones who remained in Israel eventually become Israeli citizens, where they now have more rights than anyone else in the Arab world. " Please stop it. The truth and rational argument upsets loads of people on here. But once again, a good, factual post. Mrs x | |||
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"Simple question why don't the far right members of Netanyahu's government want a ceasefire? Is it because they hate the Palestinians and secretly want to clear Gaza to build new settlements. Why do you think that is a simple question? Every country has left and right leaning politicians, Israel will be no different, the same as Palestinians who support Hamas want to clear Israel and make it their own. I'm regularly surprised at peoples opinions and how they take a side / form an opinion, similar to the side they rally against and with no dog in the race. It does make you wonder what is the real motivation for certain individuals that condemn Israel constantly, without regard for the fact that they have come under almost constant attacks by more than one terrorist state, Mrs x Well my motivation is that what you refuse to believe in. Equality and rights for all innocent people, not just just for their sake but for ours too, before we sink down to their standards - it's something that's beyond your understanding. " Not true read my post above. Everyone deserves equality. In fact that's one of the questions you refuse to answer, that I've asked repeatedly. If Israel doesn't treat its citizens equally, with respect, how come there are 2 million Palestinian citizens of Israel? 2 million who chose to live peacefully within this state, why would they do this if oppressed like you say? Not expecting an answer, just looks like you don't know why, but it's true. Mrs x | |||
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"Simple question why don't the far right members of Netanyahu's government want a ceasefire? Is it because they hate the Palestinians and secretly want to clear Gaza to build new settlements. Why do you think that is a simple question? Every country has left and right leaning politicians, Israel will be no different, the same as Palestinians who support Hamas want to clear Israel and make it their own. I'm regularly surprised at peoples opinions and how they take a side / form an opinion, similar to the side they rally against and with no dog in the race. People will take a side and form an opinion based upon what they see, be that the barbarity of the Oct 7 attack or the equally barbaric thousands of deaths of innocents in Gaza.. A person doesn't need to have a dog in the fight to be disgusted nor as we see here when a bystander will intervene to try to prevent someone they have never met being beaten up or pick up anything handy to try to stop a terrorist wielding a knife from attacking more innocent people.. Human nature (for some) to do such things.. " I'm not referring to the acts of war, or the outcomes of war, it is the dogged approach I see in the discussions. Going around and around, not conceding facts or other points of view. When I said they don't have a dog in the fight (I did say race, and I have no idea why  ) It was meant in terms of the never letting go no matter what.
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"'Not true read my post above. Everyone deserves equality.' Wow! You said something quite different in previous posts! Do you retract your previous comments?" Post one of my comments were ibe actually said this. You can't because I haven't. All Israeli citizens should be, and are treated equally, whether Jew or Palestinian. Mrs x | |||
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"Israel has been attacking it's neibours since its violent creation based on the displacement of locals for an exclusive extremist Zionist country. That is not how it happened though. Arabs have been attacking Jews for centuries, although during this time the attacks go back to the late 19th century - and it was always Arabs (or Ottomans) who attacked first. Israel declared independence within the borders agreed by the 1947 Partition Plan - and invited everyone, Jew, Arab and Christian to help form this new country. The Arab Higher Committee did not like this, promised to finish the job that Hitler started and several nations attacked almost immediately. Nobody was displaced for about four months into the war - some people were expelled for strategic reasons, some were encouraged to leave by local leaders and some just fled anyway. The Arab armies were defeated, but Egypt and Jordan occupied the disputed territories - the ones who remained in Israel eventually become Israeli citizens, where they now have more rights than anyone else in the Arab world. Please stop it. The truth and rational argument upsets loads of people on here. But once again, a good, factual post. Mrs x I see the passfield white paper from the 1930s wasn't mentioned - intentionally perhaps ? The 1930 Passfield White Paper sought to limit Jewish immigration and land purchases as the Arabs were alarmed by the huge influx of European Jews taking up the land and also changing the demographics. It's something that goes on today. Why can't a Palestinian have land etc in Israel, why a European with no connection to the reason other than being Jewish has more of a claim than an Arab with hundreds of years ancestry there? " Secular Theocracy or Theocracy? What are you thoughts? Baring in mind both Jews and Muslims have both thrived and suffered in coexistence over centuries. The goto answer of course is 2 states, but my question goes beyond that, as boundaries offer nothing more than is in place today. | |||
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"Israel has been attacking it's neibours since its violent creation based on the displacement of locals for an exclusive extremist Zionist country. That is not how it happened though. Arabs have been attacking Jews for centuries, although during this time the attacks go back to the late 19th century - and it was always Arabs (or Ottomans) who attacked first. Israel declared independence within the borders agreed by the 1947 Partition Plan - and invited everyone, Jew, Arab and Christian to help form this new country. The Arab Higher Committee did not like this, promised to finish the job that Hitler started and several nations attacked almost immediately. Nobody was displaced for about four months into the war - some people were expelled for strategic reasons, some were encouraged to leave by local leaders and some just fled anyway. The Arab armies were defeated, but Egypt and Jordan occupied the disputed territories - the ones who remained in Israel eventually become Israeli citizens, where they now have more rights than anyone else in the Arab world. Please stop it. The truth and rational argument upsets loads of people on here. But once again, a good, factual post. Mrs x I see the passfield white paper from the 1930s wasn't mentioned - intentionally perhaps ? The 1930 Passfield White Paper sought to limit Jewish immigration and land purchases as the Arabs were alarmed by the huge influx of European Jews taking up the land and also changing the demographics. It's something that goes on today. Why can't a Palestinian have land etc in Israel, why a European with no connection to the reason other than being Jewish has more of a claim than an Arab with hundreds of years ancestry there? " Maybe the Passfield Ehote Paper wasn't mention by the poster because he was discussing things that occurred 17 years later. The Passfield Whote Paper was mostly negated avatar later by the UK Prome Minister sending a letter which became known as the MacDonald letter. This letter '[b]y confirming that the policy of the Palestine Mandate was to continue to support Jewish immigration, the Letter in effect negated some of the implications of the White Paper and facilitated increasing immigration during the rise of antisemitism in Europe in the 1930s'. So did you deliberately leave out any reference to the Mac Donald letter from 1931 which effectively superceded the Passfield White Paper 1930 after just 12 months? Mrs x | |||
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"Simple question why don't the far right members of Netanyahu's government want a ceasefire? Is it because they hate the Palestinians and secretly want to clear Gaza to build new settlements. Why do you think that is a simple question? Every country has left and right leaning politicians, Israel will be no different, the same as Palestinians who support Hamas want to clear Israel and make it their own. I'm regularly surprised at peoples opinions and how they take a side / form an opinion, similar to the side they rally against and with no dog in the race. It does make you wonder what is the real motivation for certain individuals that condemn Israel constantly, without regard for the fact that they have come under almost constant attacks by more than one terrorist state, Mrs x Well my motivation is that what you refuse to believe in. Equality and rights for all innocent people, not just just for their sake but for ours too, before we sink down to their standards - it's something that's beyond your understanding. Not true read my post above. Everyone deserves equality. In fact that's one of the questions you refuse to answer, that I've asked repeatedly. If Israel doesn't treat its citizens equally, with respect, how come there are 2 million Palestinian citizens of Israel? 2 million who chose to live peacefully within this state, why would they do this if oppressed like you say? Not expecting an answer, just looks like you don't know why, but it's true. Mrs x So the short answer is and forgive me for not interviewing Muslims on streets in Israel but my guess is where would they go? They have to go through separate checkpoints to Israelis and europeans, they can't even drive on certain roads, and the Israelis take their water, land, and burn their olive groves as collective punishment a form of terrorism. I can give more examples too. Btw you've dug up all sorts of waffle to justify why Israel is entitled to do what they've done despite certain rhetoric from your previous posts. Israel could have sorted Hamas without the mass casualties, that's if they had any concept of ethics but they don't. The only real way to peace as already been covered so many times that the likes of you ignore is to address the root cause. " Are you talking about the West Bank and Gaza when you say 'They have to go through separate checkpoints to Israelis and europeans, they can't even drive on certain roads, and the Israelis take their water, land, and burn their olive groves as collective punishment a form of terrorism'. As for why 2 million Palestinians live peacefully in Israel because they have nowhere else to go, you are joking right? They've only been living there for almost 75 years. If they wanted to leave that might have been enough time to sort that out. 75 years is a long time but I'm not sure you'd even agree about that. So the logical answer as to why 2 million Palestinian citizens of Istael live peacefully within Istael is because they want to, it's simple. Can't wait to hear your imaginative spin on this, Mrs x | |||
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"Simple question why don't the far right members of Netanyahu's government want a ceasefire? Is it because they hate the Palestinians and secretly want to clear Gaza to build new settlements. Why do you think that is a simple question? Every country has left and right leaning politicians, Israel will be no different, the same as Palestinians who support Hamas want to clear Israel and make it their own. I'm regularly surprised at peoples opinions and how they take a side / form an opinion, similar to the side they rally against and with no dog in the race. It does make you wonder what is the real motivation for certain individuals that condemn Israel constantly, without regard for the fact that they have come under almost constant attacks by more than one terrorist state, Mrs x Well my motivation is that what you refuse to believe in. Equality and rights for all innocent people, not just just for their sake but for ours too, before we sink down to their standards - it's something that's beyond your understanding. Not true read my post above. Everyone deserves equality. In fact that's one of the questions you refuse to answer, that I've asked repeatedly. If Israel doesn't treat its citizens equally, with respect, how come there are 2 million Palestinian citizens of Israel? 2 million who chose to live peacefully within this state, why would they do this if oppressed like you say? Not expecting an answer, just looks like you don't know why, but it's true. Mrs x So the short answer is and forgive me for not interviewing Muslims on streets in Israel but my guess is where would they go? They have to go through separate checkpoints to Israelis and europeans, they can't even drive on certain roads, and the Israelis take their water, land, and burn their olive groves as collective punishment a form of terrorism. I can give more examples too. Btw you've dug up all sorts of waffle to justify why Israel is entitled to do what they've done despite certain rhetoric from your previous posts. Israel could have sorted Hamas without the mass casualties, that's if they had any concept of ethics but they don't. The only real way to peace as already been covered so many times that the likes of you ignore is to address the root cause. Are you talking about the West Bank and Gaza when you say 'They have to go through separate checkpoints to Israelis and europeans, they can't even drive on certain roads, and the Israelis take their water, land, and burn their olive groves as collective punishment a form of terrorism'. As for why 2 million Palestinians live peacefully in Israel because they have nowhere else to go, you are joking right? They've only been living there for almost 75 years. If they wanted to leave that might have been enough time to sort that out. 75 years is a long time but I'm not sure you'd even agree about that. So the logical answer as to why 2 million Palestinian citizens of Istael live peacefully within Istael is because they want to, it's simple. Can't wait to hear your imaginative spin on this, Mrs x" Back from the pub are you? I'm not sure if this is your own work or plagerised from some far right magazine - | |||
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"Simple question why don't the far right members of Netanyahu's government want a ceasefire? Is it because they hate the Palestinians and secretly want to clear Gaza to build new settlements. Why do you think that is a simple question? Every country has left and right leaning politicians, Israel will be no different, the same as Palestinians who support Hamas want to clear Israel and make it their own. I'm regularly surprised at peoples opinions and how they take a side / form an opinion, similar to the side they rally against and with no dog in the race. It does make you wonder what is the real motivation for certain individuals that condemn Israel constantly, without regard for the fact that they have come under almost constant attacks by more than one terrorist state, Mrs x Well my motivation is that what you refuse to believe in. Equality and rights for all innocent people, not just just for their sake but for ours too, before we sink down to their standards - it's something that's beyond your understanding. Not true read my post above. Everyone deserves equality. In fact that's one of the questions you refuse to answer, that I've asked repeatedly. If Israel doesn't treat its citizens equally, with respect, how come there are 2 million Palestinian citizens of Israel? 2 million who chose to live peacefully within this state, why would they do this if oppressed like you say? Not expecting an answer, just looks like you don't know why, but it's true. Mrs x So the short answer is and forgive me for not interviewing Muslims on streets in Israel but my guess is where would they go? They have to go through separate checkpoints to Israelis and europeans, they can't even drive on certain roads, and the Israelis take their water, land, and burn their olive groves as collective punishment a form of terrorism. I can give more examples too. Btw you've dug up all sorts of waffle to justify why Israel is entitled to do what they've done despite certain rhetoric from your previous posts. Israel could have sorted Hamas without the mass casualties, that's if they had any concept of ethics but they don't. The only real way to peace as already been covered so many times that the likes of you ignore is to address the root cause. Are you talking about the West Bank and Gaza when you say 'They have to go through separate checkpoints to Israelis and europeans, they can't even drive on certain roads, and the Israelis take their water, land, and burn their olive groves as collective punishment a form of terrorism'. As for why 2 million Palestinians live peacefully in Israel because they have nowhere else to go, you are joking right? They've only been living there for almost 75 years. If they wanted to leave that might have been enough time to sort that out. 75 years is a long time but I'm not sure you'd even agree about that. So the logical answer as to why 2 million Palestinian citizens of Istael live peacefully within Istael is because they want to, it's simple. Can't wait to hear your imaginative spin on this, Mrs x Back from the pub are you? I'm not sure if this is your own work or plagerised from some far right magazine - " No it's very simple and there's a lot of that going on on this thread. So, 2 million Israeli citizens of Palestinian descent. Live peacefully And finally it's been 77 years since Israel was created. See not hard to understand because these are all facts. But you don't like facts do you? Mrs x | |||
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"Simple question why don't the far right members of Netanyahu's government want a ceasefire? Is it because they hate the Palestinians and secretly want to clear Gaza to build new settlements. Why do you think that is a simple question? Every country has left and right leaning politicians, Israel will be no different, the same as Palestinians who support Hamas want to clear Israel and make it their own. I'm regularly surprised at peoples opinions and how they take a side / form an opinion, similar to the side they rally against and with no dog in the race. It does make you wonder what is the real motivation for certain individuals that condemn Israel constantly, without regard for the fact that they have come under almost constant attacks by more than one terrorist state, Mrs x Well my motivation is that what you refuse to believe in. Equality and rights for all innocent people, not just just for their sake but for ours too, before we sink down to their standards - it's something that's beyond your understanding. Not true read my post above. Everyone deserves equality. In fact that's one of the questions you refuse to answer, that I've asked repeatedly. If Israel doesn't treat its citizens equally, with respect, how come there are 2 million Palestinian citizens of Israel? 2 million who chose to live peacefully within this state, why would they do this if oppressed like you say? Not expecting an answer, just looks like you don't know why, but it's true. Mrs x So the short answer is and forgive me for not interviewing Muslims on streets in Israel but my guess is where would they go? They have to go through separate checkpoints to Israelis and europeans, they can't even drive on certain roads, and the Israelis take their water, land, and burn their olive groves as collective punishment a form of terrorism. I can give more examples too. Btw you've dug up all sorts of waffle to justify why Israel is entitled to do what they've done despite certain rhetoric from your previous posts. Israel could have sorted Hamas without the mass casualties, that's if they had any concept of ethics but they don't. The only real way to peace as already been covered so many times that the likes of you ignore is to address the root cause. Are you talking about the West Bank and Gaza when you say 'They have to go through separate checkpoints to Israelis and europeans, they can't even drive on certain roads, and the Israelis take their water, land, and burn their olive groves as collective punishment a form of terrorism'. As for why 2 million Palestinians live peacefully in Israel because they have nowhere else to go, you are joking right? They've only been living there for almost 75 years. If they wanted to leave that might have been enough time to sort that out. 75 years is a long time but I'm not sure you'd even agree about that. So the logical answer as to why 2 million Palestinian citizens of Istael live peacefully within Istael is because they want to, it's simple. Can't wait to hear your imaginative spin on this, Mrs x Back from the pub are you? I'm not sure if this is your own work or plagerised from some far right magazine - " And you haven't answered where in Israel are the things you claim are happening or are you referring to the West Bank and Gaza or are you just making this up. Another load of drivel with no factual basis, Mrs x | |||
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