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"Wow how low can labour sink it’s totally shocking " I wonder why they don’t want to? I wonder who was in charge of the CPS between 2008-2013?…… 🤔 | |||
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"Wow how low can labour sink it’s totally shocking " It's weird - scum usually floats but Labour and their supporters have managed to defy science  | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-calls-for-long-overdue-national-inquiry-into-uk-grooming-scandal-13282797 Hmmmm a bit suspect of right wing having a go at left wing when this is historic. An inquiry did take place. Oh and remember the drama about the Rotherham girls, the police and social workers failed to protect, so who's to say the cps were even involved. " A national inquiry has never taken place. You are right that it's historic and is on both Labour and the Tories though. Kemi is just playing politics here, she had her chance. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-calls-for-long-overdue-national-inquiry-into-uk-grooming-scandal-13282797 Hmmmm a bit suspect of right wing having a go at left wing when this is historic. An inquiry did take place. Oh and remember the drama about the Rotherham girls, the police and social workers failed to protect, so who's to say the cps were even involved. A national inquiry has never taken place. You are right that it's historic and is on both Labour and the Tories though. Kemi is just playing politics here, she had her chance. "  it’s a pretty cheap shot and she should be ashamed. I see that gulper Philp has been doing the rounds trying to avoid answering the question why a national enquiry is needed now but not last October when the same Oldham council asked for one. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-calls-for-long-overdue-national-inquiry-into-uk-grooming-scandal-13282797 Hmmmm a bit suspect of right wing having a go at left wing when this is historic. An inquiry did take place. Oh and remember the drama about the Rotherham girls, the police and social workers failed to protect, so who's to say the cps were even involved. A national inquiry has never taken place. You are right that it's historic and is on both Labour and the Tories though. Kemi is just playing politics here, she had her chance. it’s a pretty cheap shot and she should be ashamed. I see that gulper Philp has been doing the rounds trying to avoid answering the question why a national enquiry is needed now but not last October when the same Oldham council asked for one."I'm not entirely sure of the reference. Oldham council voted in July to ask for an inquiry. What about last October and who is 'Gulper Philp'? | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-calls-for-long-overdue-national-inquiry-into-uk-grooming-scandal-13282797 Hmmmm a bit suspect of right wing having a go at left wing when this is historic. An inquiry did take place. Oh and remember the drama about the Rotherham girls, the police and social workers failed to protect, so who's to say the cps were even involved. A national inquiry has never taken place. You are right that it's historic and is on both Labour and the Tories though. Kemi is just playing politics here, she had her chance. " I didn't state a national inquiry took place but an inquiry. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-calls-for-long-overdue-national-inquiry-into-uk-grooming-scandal-13282797 Hmmmm a bit suspect of right wing having a go at left wing when this is historic. An inquiry did take place. Oh and remember the drama about the Rotherham girls, the police and social workers failed to protect, so who's to say the cps were even involved. A national inquiry has never taken place. You are right that it's historic and is on both Labour and the Tories though. Kemi is just playing politics here, she had her chance. I didn't state a national inquiry took place but an inquiry." Isn't the thread specifically about a NATIONAL enquiry? | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-calls-for-long-overdue-national-inquiry-into-uk-grooming-scandal-13282797 Hmmmm a bit suspect of right wing having a go at left wing when this is historic. An inquiry did take place. Oh and remember the drama about the Rotherham girls, the police and social workers failed to protect, so who's to say the cps were even involved. A national inquiry has never taken place. You are right that it's historic and is on both Labour and the Tories though. Kemi is just playing politics here, she had her chance. I didn't state a national inquiry took place but an inquiry. Isn't the thread specifically about a NATIONAL enquiry?" it is but ppl always try to side track it away from the grooming gangs wonder why that is hmmm | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-calls-for-long-overdue-national-inquiry-into-uk-grooming-scandal-13282797 Hmmmm a bit suspect of right wing having a go at left wing when this is historic. An inquiry did take place. Oh and remember the drama about the Rotherham girls, the police and social workers failed to protect, so who's to say the cps were even involved. A national inquiry has never taken place. You are right that it's historic and is on both Labour and the Tories though. Kemi is just playing politics here, she had her chance. I didn't state a national inquiry took place but an inquiry. Isn't the thread specifically about a NATIONAL enquiry?" I put up the link. OP couldn't be bothered. Besides, having had an inquiry is still relevant. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-calls-for-long-overdue-national-inquiry-into-uk-grooming-scandal-13282797 Hmmmm a bit suspect of right wing having a go at left wing when this is historic. An inquiry did take place. Oh and remember the drama about the Rotherham girls, the police and social workers failed to protect, so who's to say the cps were even involved. A national inquiry has never taken place. You are right that it's historic and is on both Labour and the Tories though. Kemi is just playing politics here, she had her chance. I didn't state a national inquiry took place but an inquiry. Isn't the thread specifically about a NATIONAL enquiry? it is but ppl always try to side track it away from the grooming gangs wonder why that is hmmm" That makes no sense. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-calls-for-long-overdue-national-inquiry-into-uk-grooming-scandal-13282797 Hmmmm a bit suspect of right wing having a go at left wing when this is historic. An inquiry did take place. Oh and remember the drama about the Rotherham girls, the police and social workers failed to protect, so who's to say the cps were even involved. A national inquiry has never taken place. You are right that it's historic and is on both Labour and the Tories though. Kemi is just playing politics here, she had her chance. I didn't state a national inquiry took place but an inquiry. Isn't the thread specifically about a NATIONAL enquiry? I put up the link. OP couldn't be bothered. Besides, having had an inquiry is still relevant. " It is quite clear that the OP is speaking about a national enquiry. You provided no such link to one. Both parties in power have refused that. Let's not try to sidestep the actual topic here. | |||
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"Why should it be restricted to Oldham Prince Andrew and Church of England also need investigating " What about Bill Wyman? Mrs x | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-calls-for-long-overdue-national-inquiry-into-uk-grooming-scandal-13282797 Hmmmm a bit suspect of right wing having a go at left wing when this is historic. An inquiry did take place. Oh and remember the drama about the Rotherham girls, the police and social workers failed to protect, so who's to say the cps were even involved. A national inquiry has never taken place. You are right that it's historic and is on both Labour and the Tories though. Kemi is just playing politics here, she had her chance. it’s a pretty cheap shot and she should be ashamed. I see that gulper Philp has been doing the rounds trying to avoid answering the question why a national enquiry is needed now but not last October when the same Oldham council asked for one.
I'm not entirely sure of the reference. Oldham council voted in July to ask for an inquiry.
What about last October and who is 'Gulper Philp'?"Sorry I’ve lost track of the years. Oldham council asked for a national enquiry in October 2023. Gulper is Chris Philp. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-calls-for-long-overdue-national-inquiry-into-uk-grooming-scandal-13282797 Hmmmm a bit suspect of right wing having a go at left wing when this is historic. An inquiry did take place. Oh and remember the drama about the Rotherham girls, the police and social workers failed to protect, so who's to say the cps were even involved. A national inquiry has never taken place. You are right that it's historic and is on both Labour and the Tories though. Kemi is just playing politics here, she had her chance. it’s a pretty cheap shot and she should be ashamed. I see that gulper Philp has been doing the rounds trying to avoid answering the question why a national enquiry is needed now but not last October when the same Oldham council asked for one.
I'm not entirely sure of the reference. Oldham council voted in July to ask for an inquiry.
What about last October and who is 'Gulper Philp'?
Sorry I’ve lost track of the years. Oldham council asked for a national enquiry in October 2023. Gulper is Chris Philp."Right, Oldham council have repeatedly asked for inquiries, across both party terms. I'm not sure why this particular refusal of Labour's is a Tory issue. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-calls-for-long-overdue-national-inquiry-into-uk-grooming-scandal-13282797 Hmmmm a bit suspect of right wing having a go at left wing when this is historic. An inquiry did take place. Oh and remember the drama about the Rotherham girls, the police and social workers failed to protect, so who's to say the cps were even involved. A national inquiry has never taken place. You are right that it's historic and is on both Labour and the Tories though. Kemi is just playing politics here, she had her chance. I didn't state a national inquiry took place but an inquiry. Isn't the thread specifically about a NATIONAL enquiry? I put up the link. OP couldn't be bothered. Besides, having had an inquiry is still relevant. It is quite clear that the OP is speaking about a national enquiry. You provided no such link to one. Both parties in power have refused that. Let's not try to sidestep the actual topic here. " I provided the link to the story | |||
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"Wow how low can labour sink it’s totally shocking " Really low, I would imagine, if you happen to be their opposition. That's how party politics operates! Your shock has been duly noted. | |||
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"Wow how low can labour sink it’s totally shocking Really low, I would imagine, if you happen to be their opposition. That's how party politics operates! Your shock has been duly noted." What is shocking is that the Westminster twats of both sides think that the electorate has a short memory. It wouldn't matter if it did... we have info at our fingertips. So it matters not who is in power we can look back to any recorded moment to see other guilty parties. | |||
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"there should clearly be an enquiry into why the english north of the midlands are predisposed to grooming etc ... it's obviously some sickness engrained in their cultural roots that's dragged on for some reason and they need to be sorted out once and for all .... disgusting" or is it that its just been exposed up here? | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-calls-for-long-overdue-national-inquiry-into-uk-grooming-scandal-13282797 Hmmmm a bit suspect of right wing having a go at left wing when this is historic. An inquiry did take place. Oh and remember the drama about the Rotherham girls, the police and social workers failed to protect, so who's to say the cps were even involved. A national inquiry has never taken place. You are right that it's historic and is on both Labour and the Tories though. Kemi is just playing politics here, she had her chance. it’s a pretty cheap shot and she should be ashamed. I see that gulper Philp has been doing the rounds trying to avoid answering the question why a national enquiry is needed now but not last October when the same Oldham council asked for one.
I'm not entirely sure of the reference. Oldham council voted in July to ask for an inquiry.
What about last October and who is 'Gulper Philp'?
Sorry I’ve lost track of the years. Oldham council asked for a national enquiry in October 2023. Gulper is Chris Philp.
Right, Oldham council have repeatedly asked for inquiries, across both party terms.
I'm not sure why this particular refusal of Labour's is a Tory issue. "I was pointing out the hypocrisy of the Tories to criticise Labour when they had also refused a national enquiry. Labour have been rightly criticised for saying one thing when they were in opposition and doing another when in power, but the tories were actually in a position to bring about a national enquiry and declined it. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-calls-for-long-overdue-national-inquiry-into-uk-grooming-scandal-13282797 Hmmmm a bit suspect of right wing having a go at left wing when this is historic. An inquiry did take place. Oh and remember the drama about the Rotherham girls, the police and social workers failed to protect, so who's to say the cps were even involved. A national inquiry has never taken place. You are right that it's historic and is on both Labour and the Tories though. Kemi is just playing politics here, she had her chance. it’s a pretty cheap shot and she should be ashamed. I see that gulper Philp has been doing the rounds trying to avoid answering the question why a national enquiry is needed now but not last October when the same Oldham council asked for one.
I'm not entirely sure of the reference. Oldham council voted in July to ask for an inquiry.
What about last October and who is 'Gulper Philp'?
Sorry I’ve lost track of the years. Oldham council asked for a national enquiry in October 2023. Gulper is Chris Philp.
Right, Oldham council have repeatedly asked for inquiries, across both party terms.
I'm not sure why this particular refusal of Labour's is a Tory issue.
I was pointing out the hypocrisy of the Tories to criticise Labour when they had also refused a national enquiry.
Labour have been rightly criticised for saying one thing when they were in opposition and doing another when in power, but the tories were actually in a position to bring about a national enquiry and declined it."that’s going to be labours theme for 4 more yrs or saying one thing in opposition and doing nothing in power tho so even if we get a national enquiry nothing will be learned the grooming is still going on pooor young girls r@ped by pervs fucking discusting | |||
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"Why aren’t the lefties on here as discussed as the rest of us on this should be ashamed of themselves hang yr head in shame " As both the Labour and Conservative governments have declined to set up a national enquiry I’m not sure it’s only a “lefties” issue. | |||
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"Why aren’t the lefties on here as discussed as the rest of us on this should be ashamed of themselves hang yr head in shame As both the Labour and Conservative governments have declined to set up a national enquiry I’m not sure it’s only a “lefties” issue." sorry I was talking about the lefties on fab tbf that’s all is in the torries and labour lefties | |||
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"There are at least 25 English towns and cities where gangs of Pakistani heritage men have r@ped and tortured overwhelmingly white working class female children. Much of this was organised crime involving moving girls around the country and clearly the different locations are connected. There is evidence that the crimes are ongoing in many places. It's one of the worst crimes in Britain in the last 50 years and the cover up of these crimes by every state agency is one of the greatest scandals. Of course there should be a wide ranging national public enquiry." exactly I’d say the worst crimes iv heard of happening in my life time and correct it’s still going on I think it was Rotherham that the police had 250 names of suspects and only charged around 11 Tommy Robinson gave them 300 names and this was one town thousands of kids where victims it must be in the tens of thousands across the U.K. how how can this not be the most important thing in goverment to sort out it boils my piss | |||
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"Just imagine the outcry if it was the other way round and it was white grooming gangs using Pakistani Indian Bangladeshi and Muslim girls!" if that was the case this site would blow up just look at this forum when a black man is killed by a white cop over the pond it’s meltdown on here but tens of thousand poor white kids killed r@ped trafficked by mainly Pakistani pervs and it’s not such a big issue insane isn’t it it’s seems it’s just not that bad to some fucking weired | |||
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"Why should it be restricted to Oldham Prince Andrew and Church of England also need investigating What about Bill Wyman? Mrs x" What a cheap shot. Leave Bill Wyman out of this as it's an unfair jibe. He isn't able to defend himself until he has discussed this with his other half and is unable to do so until she has finished her geography homework. | |||
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"Have the people who are making this suddenly such a big issue, explained why it wasn't on their watch? " because they didn't think anything of it until President Musk told them what to think. | |||
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"Have the people who are making this suddenly such a big issue, explained why it wasn't on their watch? because they didn't think anything of it until President Musk told them what to think." it’s nothing to do with musk this was happening before he had twitter | |||
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"Have the people who are making this suddenly such a big issue, explained why it wasn't on their watch? I wonder if they'll be regurgitating all the things that they failed with, whilst they are desperate for attention and relevance. " The Jay Enquiry into Rotherham was established by the Conservatives Govt who also set up a new unit to specifically investigate further this type of crime. Part of this was an analysis of the background of the offenders but the current Labour Home Office has not yet released the findings. | |||
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"Have the people who are making this suddenly such a big issue, explained why it wasn't on their watch? because they didn't think anything of it until President Musk told them what to think." President Musk .... the bloke who bankrolled the political campaign of a proven rapist and convicted criminal who has a plethora of photos in the public domain of him at various parties, stood with his then besty who was convicted for trafficking underage girls to attend at those events he organised.... President Musk needs to get his own house together before ordering his minions to push his fake news about other people on social media | |||
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"Have the people who are making this suddenly such a big issue, explained why it wasn't on their watch? because they didn't think anything of it until President Musk told them what to think. President Musk .... the bloke who bankrolled the political campaign of a proven rapist and convicted criminal who has a plethora of photos in the public domain of him at various parties, stood with his then besty who was convicted for trafficking underage girls to attend at those events he organised.... President Musk needs to get his own house together before ordering his minions to push his fake news about other people on social media "you need help and fast mate | |||
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"Have the people who are making this suddenly such a big issue, explained why it wasn't on their watch? because they didn't think anything of it until President Musk told them what to think. President Musk .... the bloke who bankrolled the political campaign of a proven rapist and convicted criminal who has a plethora of photos in the public domain of him at various parties, stood with his then besty who was convicted for trafficking underage girls to attend at those events he organised.... President Musk needs to get his own house together before ordering his minions to push his fake news about other people on social media you need help and fast mate "😂😂😂 | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-calls-for-long-overdue-national-inquiry-into-uk-grooming-scandal-13282797 Hmmmm a bit suspect of right wing having a go at left wing when this is historic. An inquiry did take place. Oh and remember the drama about the Rotherham girls, the police and social workers failed to protect, so who's to say the cps were even involved. " An enquiry sponsored by musk ? | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-calls-for-long-overdue-national-inquiry-into-uk-grooming-scandal-13282797 Hmmmm a bit suspect of right wing having a go at left wing when this is historic. An inquiry did take place. Oh and remember the drama about the Rotherham girls, the police and social workers failed to protect, so who's to say the cps were even involved. An enquiry sponsored by musk ?" tommy ten names has sponsored it with a go fund me i heard | |||
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"Why aren’t the lefties on here as discussed as the rest of us on this should be ashamed of themselves hang yr head in shame As both the Labour and Conservative governments have declined to set up a national enquiry I’m not sure it’s only a “lefties” issue. sorry I was talking about the lefties on fab tbf that’s all is in the torries and labour lefties " I'm not going to hang my head in shame cos I'm left. Did you hang your head in shame with the Tories in power with their shitshow of a govt? | |||
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"Why aren’t the lefties on here as discussed as the rest of us on this should be ashamed of themselves hang yr head in shame As both the Labour and Conservative governments have declined to set up a national enquiry I’m not sure it’s only a “lefties” issue. sorry I was talking about the lefties on fab tbf that’s all is in the torries and labour lefties I'm not going to hang my head in shame cos I'm left. Did you hang your head in shame with the Tories in power with their shitshow of a govt? " if tories are right wing then i must of done 3 loops to the right and back round again 😂 | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-calls-for-long-overdue-national-inquiry-into-uk-grooming-scandal-13282797 Hmmmm a bit suspect of right wing having a go at left wing when this is historic. An inquiry did take place. Oh and remember the drama about the Rotherham girls, the police and social workers failed to protect, so who's to say the cps were even involved. An enquiry sponsored by musk ?tommy ten names has sponsored it with a go fund me i heard " if it wasn’t for Tommy we mite never of got to hear about it for that alone he deserves credit no matter what ppls opinion of him are he may of saved young girls lives by shining a light on it | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-calls-for-long-overdue-national-inquiry-into-uk-grooming-scandal-13282797 Hmmmm a bit suspect of right wing having a go at left wing when this is historic. An inquiry did take place. Oh and remember the drama about the Rotherham girls, the police and social workers failed to protect, so who's to say the cps were even involved. An enquiry sponsored by musk ?tommy ten names has sponsored it with a go fund me i heard if it wasn’t for Tommy we mite never of got to hear about it for that alone he deserves credit no matter what ppls opinion of him are he may of saved young girls lives by shining a light on it " said the same before and 100% agree. Does he attack 1 single group of individuals with his work. Yes is there many other religions and nationalities with sick child mole ***sters yes but 1 man cant investigate and expose every single problem in the country he just works and exposes 1 of the problems he knows about | |||
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"Why have Labour adopted that approach?" Perhaps because these crimes almost all took place under Labour Councils ? | |||
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"Why have Labour adopted that approach? Perhaps because these crimes almost all took place under Labour Councils ?" sorry but took means theyve stopped id bet my life savings theyre still going on | |||
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"Why have Labour adopted that approach? Perhaps because these crimes almost all took place under Labour Councils ?sorry but took means theyve stopped id bet my life savings theyre still going on" Unfortunately I believe you're correct. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-calls-for-long-overdue-national-inquiry-into-uk-grooming-scandal-13282797 Hmmmm a bit suspect of right wing having a go at left wing when this is historic. An inquiry did take place. Oh and remember the drama about the Rotherham girls, the police and social workers failed to protect, so who's to say the cps were even involved. An enquiry sponsored by musk ?tommy ten names has sponsored it with a go fund me i heard if it wasn’t for Tommy we mite never of got to hear about it for that alone he deserves credit no matter what ppls opinion of him are he may of saved young girls lives by shining a light on it " There was a dramatisation about it, based from the viewpoint of the whistle-blower. "Three girls", 2017. It was devastating. I have no shame saying i cried. I only heard of Tommy Robinson last year. | |||
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"Have the people who are making this suddenly such a big issue, explained why it wasn't on their watch? I wonder if they'll be regurgitating all the things that they failed with, whilst they are desperate for attention and relevance. The Jay Enquiry into Rotherham was established by the Conservatives Govt who also set up a new unit to specifically investigate further this type of crime. Part of this was an analysis of the background of the offenders but the current Labour Home Office has not yet released the findings." The Independent Inquiry into Child Sex Abuse (IICSA), which published its final report in 2022, described the sexual abuse of children as an "epidemic that leaves tens of thousands of victims in its poisonous wake". It knitted several previous inquiries together alongside its own investigations. Professor Jay said in November she felt "frustrated" that none of her report's 20 recommendations to tackle abuse had been implemented more than two years later She said: "It's a difficult subject matter, but it is essential that there's some public understanding of it. She said: "It's a difficult subject matter, but it is essential that there's some public understanding of it. "It doesn't need more consultation, it does not need more research or discussion, it just needs to be done." It appears Professor Jay blames both governments. | |||
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"Have the people who are making this suddenly such a big issue, explained why it wasn't on their watch? I wonder if they'll be regurgitating all the things that they failed with, whilst they are desperate for attention and relevance. The Jay Enquiry into Rotherham was established by the Conservatives Govt who also set up a new unit to specifically investigate further this type of crime. Part of this was an analysis of the background of the offenders but the current Labour Home Office has not yet released the findings. The Independent Inquiry into Child Sex Abuse (IICSA), which published its final report in 2022, described the sexual abuse of children as an "epidemic that leaves tens of thousands of victims in its poisonous wake". It knitted several previous inquiries together alongside its own investigations. Professor Jay said in November she felt "frustrated" that none of her report's 20 recommendations to tackle abuse had been implemented more than two years later She said: "It's a difficult subject matter, but it is essential that there's some public understanding of it. She said: "It's a difficult subject matter, but it is essential that there's some public understanding of it. "It doesn't need more consultation, it does not need more research or discussion, it just needs to be done." It appears Professor Jay blames both governments. " as another forum member constanly said "should of voted ukip" 😂might be time to give them a go | |||
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"Have the people who are making this suddenly such a big issue, explained why it wasn't on their watch? because they didn't think anything of it until President Musk told them what to think." Personally, I think having this put back in the limelight by anyone is shameful. It should have had an enquiry by the Tories, and now labour are in should have been enacted on by starmer and co. I don't care who suggests it as long as it's done because if it isn't, then incompetent useless individuals will let it happen again | |||
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"Like other examples of absolute failures over the decades by different institutions, authorities and governments this issue shames us as a country.. Incompetence, collision, cover ups are the commonalities with such scandals like Hillsborough, Infected blood, Sub postmasters, maternity failings and this the abuse of children.. None of them affect or affected the establishment and those in power and no one is ever truly held to the same accountability as those down the chain are.. 'lessons will be learned' is hollow, meaningless and yet we seem to swallow it time after time.." Absolutely  | |||
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"Have the people who are making this suddenly such a big issue, explained why it wasn't on their watch? I wonder if they'll be regurgitating all the things that they failed with, whilst they are desperate for attention and relevance. The Jay Enquiry into Rotherham was established by the Conservatives Govt who also set up a new unit to specifically investigate further this type of crime. Part of this was an analysis of the background of the offenders but the current Labour Home Office has not yet released the findings. The Independent Inquiry into Child Sex Abuse (IICSA), which published its final report in 2022, described the sexual abuse of children as an "epidemic that leaves tens of thousands of victims in its poisonous wake". It knitted several previous inquiries together alongside its own investigations. Professor Jay said in November she felt "frustrated" that none of her report's 20 recommendations to tackle abuse had been implemented more than two years later She said: "It's a difficult subject matter, but it is essential that there's some public understanding of it. She said: "It's a difficult subject matter, but it is essential that there's some public understanding of it. "It doesn't need more consultation, it does not need more research or discussion, it just needs to be done." It appears Professor Jay blames both governments. " Most of her recommendations are agency specific- Councils, police, Child Protection agencies, etc rather than political action. | |||
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"Like other examples of absolute failures over the decades by different institutions, authorities and governments this issue shames us as a country.. Incompetence, collision, cover ups are the commonalities with such scandals like Hillsborough, Infected blood, Sub postmasters, maternity failings and this the abuse of children.. None of them affect or affected the establishment and those in power and no one is ever truly held to the same accountability as those down the chain are.. 'lessons will be learned' is hollow, meaningless and yet we seem to swallow it time after time.." Exactly this, and off topic there are still at least 10000 buildings housing hundreds of thousands of residents, that are still covered in the flammable cladding which was at the centre of the Grenfell disaster. | |||
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"Like other examples of absolute failures over the decades by different institutions, authorities and governments this issue shames us as a country.. Incompetence, collision, cover ups are the commonalities with such scandals like Hillsborough, Infected blood, Sub postmasters, maternity failings and this the abuse of children.. None of them affect or affected the establishment and those in power and no one is ever truly held to the same accountability as those down the chain are.. 'lessons will be learned' is hollow, meaningless and yet we seem to swallow it time after time.. Exactly this, and off topic there are still at least 10000 buildings housing hundreds of thousands of residents, that are still covered in the flammable cladding which was at the centre of the Grenfell disaster. " That was one I realised to my embarrassment I missed, the effects on so many from that total dereliction of duty by Blair in 2005 and subsequent governments since is yet another.. | |||
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"In my opinion, our "governments" are and have been selfishly cautious about framing the grooming cases as a nationwide problem for fear of stoking racial tension and creating political backlash. If I'm correct in my opinion, we have learnt nothing and fear everything. " it's not just the grooming gangs. During the riots your find plenty of videos online showing large numbers of muslims shutting down roads at many roundabouts some armed with machetes etc. Police no where to be seen! The authorities have been conditioned to turn a blind eye in fear of being called racist. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-calls-for-long-overdue-national-inquiry-into-uk-grooming-scandal-13282797 Hmmmm a bit suspect of right wing having a go at left wing when this is historic. An inquiry did take place. Oh and remember the drama about the Rotherham girls, the police and social workers failed to protect, so who's to say the cps were even involved. A national inquiry has never taken place. You are right that it's historic and is on both Labour and the Tories though. Kemi is just playing politics here, she had her chance. " | |||
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"Because the uncomfortable truth is if they did that… they would probably find it was going on in churches and care homes way more than certain gangs of ethnicities " A pretty tasteless piece of whataboutery. | |||
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"Because the uncomfortable truth is if they did that… they would probably find it was going on in churches and care homes way more than certain gangs of ethnicities " I wouldn't start to compare. I fully accept that it is a crime which can be carried out within certain groups, whether vocational, ethnic or cultural. Regardless, it finally needs to be called out. | |||
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"Here’s something the majority of you fail to understand Facts https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Inquiry_into_Child_Sexual_Abuse" If you knew anything about that Inquiry you'd know it did not investigate the grooming gangs in isolation and hardly mentioned them at all in it's findings. | |||
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"Because the uncomfortable truth is if they did that… they would probably find it was going on in churches and care homes way more than certain gangs of ethnicities " Uncomfortable? So what? The focus should be on national support structures and how they have or haven’t responded to these awful acts of abuse, regardless of the perpetrators! I also agree with how inadequately this was framed from the get go, grooming? Is that really what the act was in the case we are talking about in this thread? | |||
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"Here’s something the majority of you fail to understand Facts https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Inquiry_into_Child_Sexual_Abuse If you knew anything about that Inquiry you'd know it did not investigate the grooming gangs in isolation and hardly mentioned them at all in it's findings. " https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal#Jay_inquiry | |||
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"Here’s something the majority of you fail to understand Facts https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Inquiry_into_Child_Sexual_Abuse If you knew anything about that Inquiry you'd know it did not investigate the grooming gangs in isolation and hardly mentioned them at all in it's findings. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal#Jay_inquiry" Yes you've already posted this. An Inquiry into one town, not a national Inquiry. | |||
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"Jay has said that there doesn't need to be another inquiry on a National basis but that the findings of her inquiry which she was critical of the last government in not implementing should now be carried out.. Surely that is the essential thing to do ..? It won't stop local authorities from carrying out their own inquiries as Oldham are now to do as the national recommendations are hopefully enacted .. One often hears that victims not just of this type of crime want the same to not happen to anyone else, if Jays report is to mean anything to the victims who relived their own horrendous suffering during that then kicking the can down the road for some new and massively expensive national inquiry makes no sense.. Sadly the issue has become less about the actual victims it seems and people are happy to use the harms done to them to try to score cheap political points.. Such things should be above that.." I disagree with Jay, she is suggesting that the 15 investigations will cover all bases, she is suggesting this in isolation. The framework of a national inquiry would need to be established and if the work Jay has completed fulfils the framework then I would agree with her. We go down this path so many times and never seem to learn, looking into silo's creates silo's. | |||
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"Here’s something the majority of you fail to understand Facts https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Inquiry_into_Child_Sexual_Abuse If you knew anything about that Inquiry you'd know it did not investigate the grooming gangs in isolation and hardly mentioned them at all in it's findings. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal#Jay_inquiry Yes you've already posted this. An Inquiry into one town, not a national Inquiry." No I did not post this before. I posted a contextual link, sky news. Someone else posted the wiki link for the statutory Inquiry of child abuse. Alexis Jay headed both. | |||
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"Jay has said that there doesn't need to be another inquiry on a National basis but that the findings of her inquiry which she was critical of the last government in not implementing should now be carried out.. Surely that is the essential thing to do ..? It won't stop local authorities from carrying out their own inquiries as Oldham are now to do as the national recommendations are hopefully enacted .. One often hears that victims not just of this type of crime want the same to not happen to anyone else, if Jays report is to mean anything to the victims who relived their own horrendous suffering during that then kicking the can down the road for some new and massively expensive national inquiry makes no sense.. Sadly the issue has become less about the actual victims it seems and people are happy to use the harms done to them to try to score cheap political points.. Such things should be above that.." Having read the debacle of the statutory inquiry and multiple changes of chair, it's no wonder another statutory/public/national is not wanted. And as you stated, not needed. The council have probably requested and requested it because they then would not have to fund it. They, however, do need to do a local one to decide responsibility and accountability. Jay's recommendations need to be implemented. Having delved deeper into this, another Inquiry through govt is actually not needed. | |||
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"Jay has said that there doesn't need to be another inquiry on a National basis but that the findings of her inquiry which she was critical of the last government in not implementing should now be carried out.. Surely that is the essential thing to do ..? It won't stop local authorities from carrying out their own inquiries as Oldham are now to do as the national recommendations are hopefully enacted .. One often hears that victims not just of this type of crime want the same to not happen to anyone else, if Jays report is to mean anything to the victims who relived their own horrendous suffering during that then kicking the can down the road for some new and massively expensive national inquiry makes no sense.. Sadly the issue has become less about the actual victims it seems and people are happy to use the harms done to them to try to score cheap political points.. Such things should be above that.. I disagree with Jay, she is suggesting that the 15 investigations will cover all bases, she is suggesting this in isolation. The framework of a national inquiry would need to be established and if the work Jay has completed fulfils the framework then I would agree with her. We go down this path so many times and never seem to learn, looking into silo's creates silo's. " I don't get what you're saying. A silo of recommendations has not been created. | |||
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"Jay has said that there doesn't need to be another inquiry on a National basis but that the findings of her inquiry which she was critical of the last government in not implementing should now be carried out.. Surely that is the essential thing to do ..? It won't stop local authorities from carrying out their own inquiries as Oldham are now to do as the national recommendations are hopefully enacted .. One often hears that victims not just of this type of crime want the same to not happen to anyone else, if Jays report is to mean anything to the victims who relived their own horrendous suffering during that then kicking the can down the road for some new and massively expensive national inquiry makes no sense.. Sadly the issue has become less about the actual victims it seems and people are happy to use the harms done to them to try to score cheap political points.. Such things should be above that.. I disagree with Jay, she is suggesting that the 15 investigations will cover all bases, she is suggesting this in isolation. The framework of a national inquiry would need to be established and if the work Jay has completed fulfils the framework then I would agree with her. We go down this path so many times and never seem to learn, looking into silo's creates silo's. " I bet she’s crushed that someone on a swinging forum disagrees with her. I believe it was Michael Gove who said “ we’ve had enough of experts “ | |||
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"Jay has said that there doesn't need to be another inquiry on a National basis but that the findings of her inquiry which she was critical of the last government in not implementing should now be carried out.. Surely that is the essential thing to do ..? It won't stop local authorities from carrying out their own inquiries as Oldham are now to do as the national recommendations are hopefully enacted .. One often hears that victims not just of this type of crime want the same to not happen to anyone else, if Jays report is to mean anything to the victims who relived their own horrendous suffering during that then kicking the can down the road for some new and massively expensive national inquiry makes no sense.. Sadly the issue has become less about the actual victims it seems and people are happy to use the harms done to them to try to score cheap political points.. Such things should be above that.. I disagree with Jay, she is suggesting that the 15 investigations will cover all bases, she is suggesting this in isolation. The framework of a national inquiry would need to be established and if the work Jay has completed fulfils the framework then I would agree with her. We go down this path so many times and never seem to learn, looking into silo's creates silo's. I bet she’s crushed that someone on a swinging forum disagrees with her. I believe it was Michael Gove who said “ we’ve had enough of experts “" Have you got an opinion you would like to share on the subject, or is just insults again? | |||
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"Jay has said that there doesn't need to be another inquiry on a National basis but that the findings of her inquiry which she was critical of the last government in not implementing should now be carried out.. Surely that is the essential thing to do ..? It won't stop local authorities from carrying out their own inquiries as Oldham are now to do as the national recommendations are hopefully enacted .. One often hears that victims not just of this type of crime want the same to not happen to anyone else, if Jays report is to mean anything to the victims who relived their own horrendous suffering during that then kicking the can down the road for some new and massively expensive national inquiry makes no sense.. Sadly the issue has become less about the actual victims it seems and people are happy to use the harms done to them to try to score cheap political points.. Such things should be above that.. I disagree with Jay, she is suggesting that the 15 investigations will cover all bases, she is suggesting this in isolation. The framework of a national inquiry would need to be established and if the work Jay has completed fulfils the framework then I would agree with her. We go down this path so many times and never seem to learn, looking into silo's creates silo's. I don't get what you're saying. A silo of recommendations has not been created." As I said in my post if the framework for a national inquiry would be met by the work Jay did, then great, but until that is known drawing a line under it seems premature. | |||
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"Jay has said that there doesn't need to be another inquiry on a National basis but that the findings of her inquiry which she was critical of the last government in not implementing should now be carried out.. Surely that is the essential thing to do ..? It won't stop local authorities from carrying out their own inquiries as Oldham are now to do as the national recommendations are hopefully enacted .. One often hears that victims not just of this type of crime want the same to not happen to anyone else, if Jays report is to mean anything to the victims who relived their own horrendous suffering during that then kicking the can down the road for some new and massively expensive national inquiry makes no sense.. Sadly the issue has become less about the actual victims it seems and people are happy to use the harms done to them to try to score cheap political points.. Such things should be above that.. I disagree with Jay, she is suggesting that the 15 investigations will cover all bases, she is suggesting this in isolation. The framework of a national inquiry would need to be established and if the work Jay has completed fulfils the framework then I would agree with her. We go down this path so many times and never seem to learn, looking into silo's creates silo's. I bet she’s crushed that someone on a swinging forum disagrees with her. I believe it was Michael Gove who said “ we’ve had enough of experts “ Have you got an opinion you would like to share on the subject, or is just insults again?" My opinion is I’m not qualified to disagree with an expert. | |||
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"Jay has said that there doesn't need to be another inquiry on a National basis but that the findings of her inquiry which she was critical of the last government in not implementing should now be carried out.. Surely that is the essential thing to do ..? It won't stop local authorities from carrying out their own inquiries as Oldham are now to do as the national recommendations are hopefully enacted .. One often hears that victims not just of this type of crime want the same to not happen to anyone else, if Jays report is to mean anything to the victims who relived their own horrendous suffering during that then kicking the can down the road for some new and massively expensive national inquiry makes no sense.. Sadly the issue has become less about the actual victims it seems and people are happy to use the harms done to them to try to score cheap political points.. Such things should be above that.. I disagree with Jay, she is suggesting that the 15 investigations will cover all bases, she is suggesting this in isolation. The framework of a national inquiry would need to be established and if the work Jay has completed fulfils the framework then I would agree with her. We go down this path so many times and never seem to learn, looking into silo's creates silo's. I don't get what you're saying. A silo of recommendations has not been created. As I said in my post if the framework for a national inquiry would be met by the work Jay did, then great, but until that is known drawing a line under it seems premature. " I know what you said but the silo comment is beyond me. Jay was on the panel for the STATUTORY inquiry on child abuse (all child abuse (not silo): Savile, Catholic church, care homes, police etc). On the panel due to being Chair of the Rotherham inquiry (silo). It became STATUTORY to give the panel more powers, ie to subpoena people if required. Jay became chair x amount of years in. Initially they weren't going to be looking at individual cases (not silo), but decided it may be necessary (not silo as evidence equals part of a whole). FFW - recommendations for any institution/person involved with children when sex abuse is suspected, guidance for them to follow. Which in itself, as I have done child safeguarding training (mandatory) for donkeys years, as should all of the people involved in public institutions, is beyond belief the decades this has gone on (ie all abuse is covered in the training) .
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"Jay has said that there doesn't need to be another inquiry on a National basis but that the findings of her inquiry which she was critical of the last government in not implementing should now be carried out.. Surely that is the essential thing to do ..? It won't stop local authorities from carrying out their own inquiries as Oldham are now to do as the national recommendations are hopefully enacted .. One often hears that victims not just of this type of crime want the same to not happen to anyone else, if Jays report is to mean anything to the victims who relived their own horrendous suffering during that then kicking the can down the road for some new and massively expensive national inquiry makes no sense.. Sadly the issue has become less about the actual victims it seems and people are happy to use the harms done to them to try to score cheap political points.. Such things should be above that.. I disagree with Jay, she is suggesting that the 15 investigations will cover all bases, she is suggesting this in isolation. The framework of a national inquiry would need to be established and if the work Jay has completed fulfils the framework then I would agree with her. We go down this path so many times and never seem to learn, looking into silo's creates silo's. I bet she’s crushed that someone on a swinging forum disagrees with her. I believe it was Michael Gove who said “ we’ve had enough of experts “ Have you got an opinion you would like to share on the subject, or is just insults again? My opinion is I’m not qualified to disagree with an expert." You’re entitled to an opinion that disagrees with an expert, it doesn’t make it any less valid. Maybe you could refrain from the insults going forward? | |||
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"Jay has said that there doesn't need to be another inquiry on a National basis but that the findings of her inquiry which she was critical of the last government in not implementing should now be carried out.. Surely that is the essential thing to do ..? It won't stop local authorities from carrying out their own inquiries as Oldham are now to do as the national recommendations are hopefully enacted .. One often hears that victims not just of this type of crime want the same to not happen to anyone else, if Jays report is to mean anything to the victims who relived their own horrendous suffering during that then kicking the can down the road for some new and massively expensive national inquiry makes no sense.. Sadly the issue has become less about the actual victims it seems and people are happy to use the harms done to them to try to score cheap political points.. Such things should be above that.. I disagree with Jay, she is suggesting that the 15 investigations will cover all bases, she is suggesting this in isolation. The framework of a national inquiry would need to be established and if the work Jay has completed fulfils the framework then I would agree with her. We go down this path so many times and never seem to learn, looking into silo's creates silo's. I bet she’s crushed that someone on a swinging forum disagrees with her. I believe it was Michael Gove who said “ we’ve had enough of experts “ Have you got an opinion you would like to share on the subject, or is just insults again? My opinion is I’m not qualified to disagree with an expert. You’re entitled to an opinion that disagrees with an expert, it doesn’t make it any less valid. Maybe you could refrain from the insults going forward? " What insults? Come on, you're better than that. | |||
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"Jay has said that there doesn't need to be another inquiry on a National basis but that the findings of her inquiry which she was critical of the last government in not implementing should now be carried out.. Surely that is the essential thing to do ..? It won't stop local authorities from carrying out their own inquiries as Oldham are now to do as the national recommendations are hopefully enacted .. One often hears that victims not just of this type of crime want the same to not happen to anyone else, if Jays report is to mean anything to the victims who relived their own horrendous suffering during that then kicking the can down the road for some new and massively expensive national inquiry makes no sense.. Sadly the issue has become less about the actual victims it seems and people are happy to use the harms done to them to try to score cheap political points.. Such things should be above that.. I disagree with Jay, she is suggesting that the 15 investigations will cover all bases, she is suggesting this in isolation. The framework of a national inquiry would need to be established and if the work Jay has completed fulfils the framework then I would agree with her. We go down this path so many times and never seem to learn, looking into silo's creates silo's. I don't get what you're saying. A silo of recommendations has not been created. As I said in my post if the framework for a national inquiry would be met by the work Jay did, then great, but until that is known drawing a line under it seems premature. I know what you said but the silo comment is beyond me. Jay was on the panel for the STATUTORY inquiry on child abuse (all child abuse (not silo): Savile, Catholic church, care homes, police etc). On the panel due to being Chair of the Rotherham inquiry (silo). It became STATUTORY to give the panel more powers, ie to subpoena people if required. Jay became chair x amount of years in. Initially they weren't going to be looking at individual cases (not silo), but decided it may be necessary (not silo as evidence equals part of a whole). FFW - recommendations for any institution/person involved with children when sex abuse is suspected, guidance for them to follow. Which in itself, as I have done child safeguarding training (mandatory) for donkeys years, as should all of the people involved in public institutions, is beyond belief the decades this has gone on (ie all abuse is covered in the training) .
So, again, elaborate."I would hope that a national inquiry would thoroughly examine the performance of all support services across the entire country, rather than focusing on selected areas or potentially overlooking others. That’s the fundamental purpose of a national inquiry to provide a comprehensive and unified understanding. | |||
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"Jay has said that there doesn't need to be another inquiry on a National basis but that the findings of her inquiry which she was critical of the last government in not implementing should now be carried out.. Surely that is the essential thing to do ..? It won't stop local authorities from carrying out their own inquiries as Oldham are now to do as the national recommendations are hopefully enacted .. One often hears that victims not just of this type of crime want the same to not happen to anyone else, if Jays report is to mean anything to the victims who relived their own horrendous suffering during that then kicking the can down the road for some new and massively expensive national inquiry makes no sense.. Sadly the issue has become less about the actual victims it seems and people are happy to use the harms done to them to try to score cheap political points.. Such things should be above that.. I disagree with Jay, she is suggesting that the 15 investigations will cover all bases, she is suggesting this in isolation. The framework of a national inquiry would need to be established and if the work Jay has completed fulfils the framework then I would agree with her. We go down this path so many times and never seem to learn, looking into silo's creates silo's. I bet she’s crushed that someone on a swinging forum disagrees with her. I believe it was Michael Gove who said “ we’ve had enough of experts “ Have you got an opinion you would like to share on the subject, or is just insults again? My opinion is I’m not qualified to disagree with an expert. You’re entitled to an opinion that disagrees with an expert, it doesn’t make it any less valid. Maybe you could refrain from the insults going forward? " I find it strange that the opinion of an expert in a particular field is not considered to be more important than a person with no expertise in the same field. This phenomenon came to the fore in the brexit referendum and remains to this day. I’m not sure what you mean by insults going forward. I haven’t made a habit of insulting you. | |||
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"Why should it be restricted to Oldham Prince Andrew and Church of England also need investigating " I wish they would. They should look at children's homes too. | |||
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"Jay has said that there doesn't need to be another inquiry on a National basis but that the findings of her inquiry which she was critical of the last government in not implementing should now be carried out.. Surely that is the essential thing to do ..? It won't stop local authorities from carrying out their own inquiries as Oldham are now to do as the national recommendations are hopefully enacted .. One often hears that victims not just of this type of crime want the same to not happen to anyone else, if Jays report is to mean anything to the victims who relived their own horrendous suffering during that then kicking the can down the road for some new and massively expensive national inquiry makes no sense.. Sadly the issue has become less about the actual victims it seems and people are happy to use the harms done to them to try to score cheap political points.. Such things should be above that.. I disagree with Jay, she is suggesting that the 15 investigations will cover all bases, she is suggesting this in isolation. The framework of a national inquiry would need to be established and if the work Jay has completed fulfils the framework then I would agree with her. We go down this path so many times and never seem to learn, looking into silo's creates silo's. " Push it down the road till the next government decides it doesn't agree with the terms of the last enquiry into whatever wasn't how they would have done it isn't the most effective way to at least get something done.. A spokesperson, herself a survivor of child abuse from the Survivors Trust said that implementation of another enquiry would only push back further the recommendations of Jay's report.. | |||
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"Jay has said that there doesn't need to be another inquiry on a National basis but that the findings of her inquiry which she was critical of the last government in not implementing should now be carried out.. Surely that is the essential thing to do ..? It won't stop local authorities from carrying out their own inquiries as Oldham are now to do as the national recommendations are hopefully enacted .. One often hears that victims not just of this type of crime want the same to not happen to anyone else, if Jays report is to mean anything to the victims who relived their own horrendous suffering during that then kicking the can down the road for some new and massively expensive national inquiry makes no sense.. Sadly the issue has become less about the actual victims it seems and people are happy to use the harms done to them to try to score cheap political points.. Such things should be above that.. I disagree with Jay, she is suggesting that the 15 investigations will cover all bases, she is suggesting this in isolation. The framework of a national inquiry would need to be established and if the work Jay has completed fulfils the framework then I would agree with her. We go down this path so many times and never seem to learn, looking into silo's creates silo's. I don't get what you're saying. A silo of recommendations has not been created. As I said in my post if the framework for a national inquiry would be met by the work Jay did, then great, but until that is known drawing a line under it seems premature. I know what you said but the silo comment is beyond me. Jay was on the panel for the STATUTORY inquiry on child abuse (all child abuse (not silo): Savile, Catholic church, care homes, police etc). On the panel due to being Chair of the Rotherham inquiry (silo). It became STATUTORY to give the panel more powers, ie to subpoena people if required. Jay became chair x amount of years in. Initially they weren't going to be looking at individual cases (not silo), but decided it may be necessary (not silo as evidence equals part of a whole). FFW - recommendations for any institution/person involved with children when sex abuse is suspected, guidance for them to follow. Which in itself, as I have done child safeguarding training (mandatory) for donkeys years, as should all of the people involved in public institutions, is beyond belief the decades this has gone on (ie all abuse is covered in the training) .
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I would hope that a national inquiry would thoroughly examine the performance of all support services across the entire country, rather than focusing on selected areas or potentially overlooking others. That’s the fundamental purpose of a national inquiry to provide a comprehensive and unified understanding."Are you for real? Inquiries are expensive and you want one looking at the good, the bad, the ugly?
The nature of inquiries is looking at what went wrong and why, what can be done to ensure no repeats ie safety nets. THIS has been done.
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"Jay has said that there doesn't need to be another inquiry on a National basis but that the findings of her inquiry which she was critical of the last government in not implementing should now be carried out.. Surely that is the essential thing to do ..? It won't stop local authorities from carrying out their own inquiries as Oldham are now to do as the national recommendations are hopefully enacted .. One often hears that victims not just of this type of crime want the same to not happen to anyone else, if Jays report is to mean anything to the victims who relived their own horrendous suffering during that then kicking the can down the road for some new and massively expensive national inquiry makes no sense.. Sadly the issue has become less about the actual victims it seems and people are happy to use the harms done to them to try to score cheap political points.. Such things should be above that.. I disagree with Jay, she is suggesting that the 15 investigations will cover all bases, she is suggesting this in isolation. The framework of a national inquiry would need to be established and if the work Jay has completed fulfils the framework then I would agree with her. We go down this path so many times and never seem to learn, looking into silo's creates silo's. Push it down the road till the next government decides it doesn't agree with the terms of the last enquiry into whatever wasn't how they would have done it isn't the most effective way to at least get something done.. A spokesperson, herself a survivor of child abuse from the Survivors Trust said that implementation of another enquiry would only push back further the recommendations of Jay's report.. " And one of the recommendations, punitive damages. We know how successive govts like to hold back the millions it'll cost them. Billions if you include the post office scandal, the blood scandal and smaller cases that don't make it into msm. | |||
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"Jay has said that there doesn't need to be another inquiry on a National basis but that the findings of her inquiry which she was critical of the last government in not implementing should now be carried out.. Surely that is the essential thing to do ..? It won't stop local authorities from carrying out their own inquiries as Oldham are now to do as the national recommendations are hopefully enacted .. One often hears that victims not just of this type of crime want the same to not happen to anyone else, if Jays report is to mean anything to the victims who relived their own horrendous suffering during that then kicking the can down the road for some new and massively expensive national inquiry makes no sense.. Sadly the issue has become less about the actual victims it seems and people are happy to use the harms done to them to try to score cheap political points.. Such things should be above that.. I disagree with Jay, she is suggesting that the 15 investigations will cover all bases, she is suggesting this in isolation. The framework of a national inquiry would need to be established and if the work Jay has completed fulfils the framework then I would agree with her. We go down this path so many times and never seem to learn, looking into silo's creates silo's. Push it down the road till the next government decides it doesn't agree with the terms of the last enquiry into whatever wasn't how they would have done it isn't the most effective way to at least get something done.. A spokesperson, herself a survivor of child abuse from the Survivors Trust said that implementation of another enquiry would only push back further the recommendations of Jay's report.. And one of the recommendations, punitive damages. We know how successive govts like to hold back the millions it'll cost them. Billions if you include the post office scandal, the blood scandal and smaller cases that don't make it into msm." | |||
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"Jay has said that there doesn't need to be another inquiry on a National basis but that the findings of her inquiry which she was critical of the last government in not implementing should now be carried out.. Surely that is the essential thing to do ..? It won't stop local authorities from carrying out their own inquiries as Oldham are now to do as the national recommendations are hopefully enacted .. One often hears that victims not just of this type of crime want the same to not happen to anyone else, if Jays report is to mean anything to the victims who relived their own horrendous suffering during that then kicking the can down the road for some new and massively expensive national inquiry makes no sense.. Sadly the issue has become less about the actual victims it seems and people are happy to use the harms done to them to try to score cheap political points.. Such things should be above that.. I disagree with Jay, she is suggesting that the 15 investigations will cover all bases, she is suggesting this in isolation. The framework of a national inquiry would need to be established and if the work Jay has completed fulfils the framework then I would agree with her. We go down this path so many times and never seem to learn, looking into silo's creates silo's. I don't get what you're saying. A silo of recommendations has not been created. As I said in my post if the framework for a national inquiry would be met by the work Jay did, then great, but until that is known drawing a line under it seems premature. I know what you said but the silo comment is beyond me. Jay was on the panel for the STATUTORY inquiry on child abuse (all child abuse (not silo): Savile, Catholic church, care homes, police etc). On the panel due to being Chair of the Rotherham inquiry (silo). It became STATUTORY to give the panel more powers, ie to subpoena people if required. Jay became chair x amount of years in. Initially they weren't going to be looking at individual cases (not silo), but decided it may be necessary (not silo as evidence equals part of a whole). FFW - recommendations for any institution/person involved with children when sex abuse is suspected, guidance for them to follow. Which in itself, as I have done child safeguarding training (mandatory) for donkeys years, as should all of the people involved in public institutions, is beyond belief the decades this has gone on (ie all abuse is covered in the training) .
So, again, elaborate.
I would hope that a national inquiry would thoroughly examine the performance of all support services across the entire country, rather than focusing on selected areas or potentially overlooking others. That’s the fundamental purpose of a national inquiry to provide a comprehensive and unified understanding.
Are you for real? Inquiries are expensive and you want one looking at the good, the bad, the ugly?
The nature of inquiries is looking at what went wrong and why, what can be done to ensure no repeats ie safety nets. THIS has been done.
It would be up to individual institutions through individuals to network and see gold standards in other areas and then adapt/adopt. Oh and for the heads of the institutions to recognise what can be useful nationally."Yes, I’m absolutely serious. I’ll repeat: if a national inquiry framework is established and the work already completed satisfies it, then fine, we don’t need one. But until such a framework exists, we’re hoping the work done is enough. The Rotherham Inquiry wasn’t sufficient, which led to IICSA, and even that has been criticised for not covering all bases. We’ve seen this pattern before: Hillsborough, Grenfell, Savile, and others all started as localised inquiries before their scope had to be extended nationally. Given the sheer number of victims and the multiple services involved, I believe a deep dive at national level is justified regardless of cost. Without it, how can we be sure there aren’t other areas covering up similar issues, leaving the problem far wider than we currently understand? | |||
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"Jay has said that there doesn't need to be another inquiry on a National basis but that the findings of her inquiry which she was critical of the last government in not implementing should now be carried out.. Surely that is the essential thing to do ..? It won't stop local authorities from carrying out their own inquiries as Oldham are now to do as the national recommendations are hopefully enacted .. One often hears that victims not just of this type of crime want the same to not happen to anyone else, if Jays report is to mean anything to the victims who relived their own horrendous suffering during that then kicking the can down the road for some new and massively expensive national inquiry makes no sense.. Sadly the issue has become less about the actual victims it seems and people are happy to use the harms done to them to try to score cheap political points.. Such things should be above that.. I disagree with Jay, she is suggesting that the 15 investigations will cover all bases, she is suggesting this in isolation. The framework of a national inquiry would need to be established and if the work Jay has completed fulfils the framework then I would agree with her. We go down this path so many times and never seem to learn, looking into silo's creates silo's. I don't get what you're saying. A silo of recommendations has not been created. As I said in my post if the framework for a national inquiry would be met by the work Jay did, then great, but until that is known drawing a line under it seems premature. I know what you said but the silo comment is beyond me. Jay was on the panel for the STATUTORY inquiry on child abuse (all child abuse (not silo): Savile, Catholic church, care homes, police etc). On the panel due to being Chair of the Rotherham inquiry (silo). It became STATUTORY to give the panel more powers, ie to subpoena people if required. Jay became chair x amount of years in. Initially they weren't going to be looking at individual cases (not silo), but decided it may be necessary (not silo as evidence equals part of a whole). FFW - recommendations for any institution/person involved with children when sex abuse is suspected, guidance for them to follow. Which in itself, as I have done child safeguarding training (mandatory) for donkeys years, as should all of the people involved in public institutions, is beyond belief the decades this has gone on (ie all abuse is covered in the training) .
So, again, elaborate.
I would hope that a national inquiry would thoroughly examine the performance of all support services across the entire country, rather than focusing on selected areas or potentially overlooking others. That’s the fundamental purpose of a national inquiry to provide a comprehensive and unified understanding.
Are you for real? Inquiries are expensive and you want one looking at the good, the bad, the ugly?
The nature of inquiries is looking at what went wrong and why, what can be done to ensure no repeats ie safety nets. THIS has been done.
It would be up to individual institutions through individuals to network and see gold standards in other areas and then adapt/adopt. Oh and for the heads of the institutions to recognise what can be useful nationally.
Yes, I’m absolutely serious. I’ll repeat: if a national inquiry framework is established and the work already completed satisfies it, then fine, we don’t need one. But until such a framework exists, we’re hoping the work done is enough.
The Rotherham Inquiry wasn’t sufficient, which led to IICSA, and even that has been criticised for not covering all bases. We’ve seen this pattern before: Hillsborough, Grenfell, Savile, and others all started as localised inquiries before their scope had to be extended nationally.
Given the sheer number of victims and the multiple services involved, I believe a deep dive at national level is justified regardless of cost. Without it, how can we be sure there aren’t other areas covering up similar issues, leaving the problem far wider than we currently understand?"i think it were more a case of, gibe them some numbers in jail and names and keep mr lennon quiet keep them problems up north theres nothing to see down here | |||
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"Jay has said that there doesn't need to be another inquiry on a National basis but that the findings of her inquiry which she was critical of the last government in not implementing should now be carried out.. Surely that is the essential thing to do ..? It won't stop local authorities from carrying out their own inquiries as Oldham are now to do as the national recommendations are hopefully enacted .. One often hears that victims not just of this type of crime want the same to not happen to anyone else, if Jays report is to mean anything to the victims who relived their own horrendous suffering during that then kicking the can down the road for some new and massively expensive national inquiry makes no sense.. Sadly the issue has become less about the actual victims it seems and people are happy to use the harms done to them to try to score cheap political points.. Such things should be above that.. I disagree with Jay, she is suggesting that the 15 investigations will cover all bases, she is suggesting this in isolation. The framework of a national inquiry would need to be established and if the work Jay has completed fulfils the framework then I would agree with her. We go down this path so many times and never seem to learn, looking into silo's creates silo's. I don't get what you're saying. A silo of recommendations has not been created. As I said in my post if the framework for a national inquiry would be met by the work Jay did, then great, but until that is known drawing a line under it seems premature. I know what you said but the silo comment is beyond me. Jay was on the panel for the STATUTORY inquiry on child abuse (all child abuse (not silo): Savile, Catholic church, care homes, police etc). On the panel due to being Chair of the Rotherham inquiry (silo). It became STATUTORY to give the panel more powers, ie to subpoena people if required. Jay became chair x amount of years in. Initially they weren't going to be looking at individual cases (not silo), but decided it may be necessary (not silo as evidence equals part of a whole). FFW - recommendations for any institution/person involved with children when sex abuse is suspected, guidance for them to follow. Which in itself, as I have done child safeguarding training (mandatory) for donkeys years, as should all of the people involved in public institutions, is beyond belief the decades this has gone on (ie all abuse is covered in the training) .
So, again, elaborate.
I would hope that a national inquiry would thoroughly examine the performance of all support services across the entire country, rather than focusing on selected areas or potentially overlooking others. That’s the fundamental purpose of a national inquiry to provide a comprehensive and unified understanding.
Are you for real? Inquiries are expensive and you want one looking at the good, the bad, the ugly?
The nature of inquiries is looking at what went wrong and why, what can be done to ensure no repeats ie safety nets. THIS has been done.
It would be up to individual institutions through individuals to network and see gold standards in other areas and then adapt/adopt. Oh and for the heads of the institutions to recognise what can be useful nationally.
Yes, I’m absolutely serious. I’ll repeat: if a national inquiry framework is established and the work already completed satisfies it, then fine, we don’t need one. But until such a framework exists, we’re hoping the work done is enough.
The Rotherham Inquiry wasn’t sufficient, which led to IICSA, and even that has been criticised for not covering all bases. We’ve seen this pattern before: Hillsborough, Grenfell, Savile, and others all started as localised inquiries before their scope had to be extended nationally.
Given the sheer number of victims and the multiple services involved, I believe a deep dive at national level is justified regardless of cost. Without it, how can we be sure there aren’t other areas covering up similar issues, leaving the problem far wider than we currently understand?"The IICSA made a big mistake by not covering grooming gangs as a separate category and recognising the particular characteristics of these crimes and the multitude of state failings in covering them up. This is not an issue which is going away, no matter how much Sir Kier and his poodles try to paint it as a 'far right' conspiracy. The truth will out. | |||
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"Jay has said that there doesn't need to be another inquiry on a National basis but that the findings of her inquiry which she was critical of the last government in not implementing should now be carried out.. Surely that is the essential thing to do ..? It won't stop local authorities from carrying out their own inquiries as Oldham are now to do as the national recommendations are hopefully enacted .. One often hears that victims not just of this type of crime want the same to not happen to anyone else, if Jays report is to mean anything to the victims who relived their own horrendous suffering during that then kicking the can down the road for some new and massively expensive national inquiry makes no sense.. Sadly the issue has become less about the actual victims it seems and people are happy to use the harms done to them to try to score cheap political points.. Such things should be above that.. I disagree with Jay, she is suggesting that the 15 investigations will cover all bases, she is suggesting this in isolation. The framework of a national inquiry would need to be established and if the work Jay has completed fulfils the framework then I would agree with her. We go down this path so many times and never seem to learn, looking into silo's creates silo's. I don't get what you're saying. A silo of recommendations has not been created. As I said in my post if the framework for a national inquiry would be met by the work Jay did, then great, but until that is known drawing a line under it seems premature. I know what you said but the silo comment is beyond me. Jay was on the panel for the STATUTORY inquiry on child abuse (all child abuse (not silo): Savile, Catholic church, care homes, police etc). On the panel due to being Chair of the Rotherham inquiry (silo). It became STATUTORY to give the panel more powers, ie to subpoena people if required. Jay became chair x amount of years in. Initially they weren't going to be looking at individual cases (not silo), but decided it may be necessary (not silo as evidence equals part of a whole). FFW - recommendations for any institution/person involved with children when sex abuse is suspected, guidance for them to follow. Which in itself, as I have done child safeguarding training (mandatory) for donkeys years, as should all of the people involved in public institutions, is beyond belief the decades this has gone on (ie all abuse is covered in the training) .
So, again, elaborate.
I would hope that a national inquiry would thoroughly examine the performance of all support services across the entire country, rather than focusing on selected areas or potentially overlooking others. That’s the fundamental purpose of a national inquiry to provide a comprehensive and unified understanding.
Are you for real? Inquiries are expensive and you want one looking at the good, the bad, the ugly?
The nature of inquiries is looking at what went wrong and why, what can be done to ensure no repeats ie safety nets. THIS has been done.
It would be up to individual institutions through individuals to network and see gold standards in other areas and then adapt/adopt. Oh and for the heads of the institutions to recognise what can be useful nationally.
Yes, I’m absolutely serious. I’ll repeat: if a national inquiry framework is established and the work already completed satisfies it, then fine, we don’t need one. But until such a framework exists, we’re hoping the work done is enough.
The Rotherham Inquiry wasn’t sufficient, which led to IICSA, and even that has been criticised for not covering all bases. We’ve seen this pattern before: Hillsborough, Grenfell, Savile, and others all started as localised inquiries before their scope had to be extended nationally.
Given the sheer number of victims and the multiple services involved, I believe a deep dive at national level is justified regardless of cost. Without it, how can we be sure there aren’t other areas covering up similar issues, leaving the problem far wider than we currently understand?
The IICSA made a big mistake by not covering grooming gangs as a separate category and recognising the particular characteristics of these crimes and the multitude of state failings in covering them up.
This is not an issue which is going away, no matter how much Sir Kier and his poodles try to paint it as a 'far right' conspiracy. The truth will out."What is the truth? | |||
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"Because the uncomfortable truth is if they did that… they would probably find it was going on in churches and care homes way more than certain gangs of ethnicities " The IISCA report did feature stand alone sections on abuse in care homes and the Catholic Church. I did not do the same for Pakistan heritage grooming gangs. | |||
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"Yvette Cooper getting tough on grooming gangs live at 6pm today. Now I wonder how they've got round to debating it in parliament this evening " Probably because today was the first day back in parliament. | |||
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"Because the uncomfortable truth is if they did that… they would probably find it was going on in churches and care homes way more than certain gangs of ethnicities The IISCA report did feature stand alone sections on abuse in care homes and the Catholic Church. I did not do the same for Pakistan heritage grooming gangs." Possibly due to the Rotherham inquiry. It was noted it wasn't just Rotherham. | |||
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Go to the IICSA website and look at the timeline. Then you can stop whingeing about the current govt other than moan the recommendations haven't been applied by them or the previous twats! | |||
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"For all those who thought a national inquiry hasn't been done - it has. The IICSA looked into the abuse of children in England and Wales. For all those people who think it did not look into the grooming by Pakistani males, it did, it comes under abuse by organised networks! There you go, done, case closed
Go to the IICSA website and look at the timeline. Then you can stop whingeing about the current govt other than moan the recommendations haven't been applied by them or the previous twats!"You do seem to want to throw yourself under the bus for this government. I couldn’t care less which party is in power, I want a national inquiry into what they call grooming gangs, I have another name for them. I don’t want a slice of it, and I don’t want other things thrown into the mix. I want every supporting function in every county scrutinised, past, present and future. Is that too much to ask for? | |||
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"For all those who thought a national inquiry hasn't been done - it has. The IICSA looked into the abuse of children in England and Wales. For all those people who think it did not look into the grooming by Pakistani males, it did, it comes under abuse by organised networks! There you go, done, case closed
Go to the IICSA website and look at the timeline. Then you can stop whingeing about the current govt other than moan the recommendations haven't been applied by them or the previous twats!
You do seem to want to throw yourself under the bus for this government.
I couldn’t care less which party is in power, I want a national inquiry into what they call grooming gangs, I have another name for them. I don’t want a slice of it, and I don’t want other things thrown into the mix. I want every supporting function in every county scrutinised, past, present and future.
Is that too much to ask for? "No it isn't too much to ask for. It would take a couple of years to have anothe enquiry. They should go for it anyway and in the meantime implement action as best they can with current enquiries completed Starting with the chief of police in areas already mentioned and why shocking incidents were allowed to happen and bring dicsiplary action to any officers, councilors etc . I'm sure there will be procedures already in place that can be implimented. | |||
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"Yvette Cooper getting tough on grooming gangs live at 6pm today. Now I wonder how they've got round to debating it in parliament this evening Probably because today was the first day back in parliament." It's been going on for decades | |||
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"Yvette Cooper getting tough on grooming gangs live at 6pm today. Now I wonder how they've got round to debating it in parliament this evening Probably because today was the first day back in parliament. It's been going on for decades " The question was about Yvette Cooper. | |||
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"For all those who thought a national inquiry hasn't been done - it has. The IICSA looked into the abuse of children in England and Wales. For all those people who think it did not look into the grooming by Pakistani males, it did, it comes under abuse by organised networks! There you go, done, case closed
Go to the IICSA website and look at the timeline. Then you can stop whingeing about the current govt other than moan the recommendations haven't been applied by them or the previous twats!
You do seem to want to throw yourself under the bus for this government.
I couldn’t care less which party is in power, I want a national inquiry into what they call grooming gangs, I have another name for them. I don’t want a slice of it, and I don’t want other things thrown into the mix. I want every supporting function in every county scrutinised, past, present and future.
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"For all those who thought a national inquiry hasn't been done - it has. The IICSA looked into the abuse of children in England and Wales. For all those people who think it did not look into the grooming by Pakistani males, it did, it comes under abuse by organised networks! There you go, done, case closed
Go to the IICSA website and look at the timeline. Then you can stop whingeing about the current govt other than moan the recommendations haven't been applied by them or the previous twats!
You do seem to want to throw yourself under the bus for this government.
I couldn’t care less which party is in power, I want a national inquiry into what they call grooming gangs, I have another name for them. I don’t want a slice of it, and I don’t want other things thrown into the mix. I want every supporting function in every county scrutinised, past, present and future.
Is that too much to ask for? "Yes! It's been done! And how am I throwing myself under the bus when what YOU are asking for has been done? Grooming gangs = organised networks. | |||
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"Yvette Cooper getting tough on grooming gangs live at 6pm today. Now I wonder how they've got round to debating it in parliament this evening Probably because today was the first day back in parliament. It's been going on for decades The question was about Yvette Cooper." She's been going on for decades   . Sorry yvette  | |||
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"For all those who thought a national inquiry hasn't been done - it has. The IICSA looked into the abuse of children in England and Wales. For all those people who think it did not look into the grooming by Pakistani males, it did, it comes under abuse by organised networks! There you go, done, case closed
Go to the IICSA website and look at the timeline. Then you can stop whingeing about the current govt other than moan the recommendations haven't been applied by them or the previous twats!"If you're going to discuss such gravely serious issues you need to do better than a quick glance on Wikipedia. The Inquiry examined organised gang activity in just six locations, none of which had recorded convictions for Pakistani heritage gangs. None of the Northern towns such as Rotherham, Rochdale or Telford where literally thousands of girls were victims were examined. None of the 50 towns and cities where convictions have been secured against Pakistani heritage gangs targeting white girls were examined. If you think that represents any sort of justice or closure for the many thousands of victims of these gangs (estimated at over 250,000 by some) then you are badly mistaken. | |||
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"For all those who thought a national inquiry hasn't been done - it has. The IICSA looked into the abuse of children in England and Wales. For all those people who think it did not look into the grooming by Pakistani males, it did, it comes under abuse by organised networks! There you go, done, case closed
Go to the IICSA website and look at the timeline. Then you can stop whingeing about the current govt other than moan the recommendations haven't been applied by them or the previous twats!
You do seem to want to throw yourself under the bus for this government.
I couldn’t care less which party is in power, I want a national inquiry into what they call grooming gangs, I have another name for them. I don’t want a slice of it, and I don’t want other things thrown into the mix. I want every supporting function in every county scrutinised, past, present and future.
Is that too much to ask for?
Yes!
It's been done!
And how am I throwing myself under the bus when what YOU are asking for has been done?
Grooming gangs = organised networks.
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"For all those who thought a national inquiry hasn't been done - it has. The IICSA looked into the abuse of children in England and Wales. For all those people who think it did not look into the grooming by Pakistani males, it did, it comes under abuse by organised networks! There you go, done, case closed
Go to the IICSA website and look at the timeline. Then you can stop whingeing about the current govt other than moan the recommendations haven't been applied by them or the previous twats!
If you're going to discuss such gravely serious issues you need to do better than a quick glance on Wikipedia.
The Inquiry examined organised gang activity in just six locations, none of which had recorded convictions for Pakistani heritage gangs. None of the Northern towns such as Rotherham, Rochdale or Telford where literally thousands of girls were victims were examined. None of the 50 towns and cities where convictions have been secured against Pakistani heritage gangs targeting white girls were examined.
If you think that represents any sort of justice or closure for the many thousands of victims of these gangs (estimated at over 250,000 by some) then you are badly mistaken. "Oh deary me, why would I make claims from the IICSA website, if I didn't go onto the IICSA website. It clearly states they didn't use Rotherham, Oxford and one other as they wanted areas not before examined (this was for the organised networks). Btw the perps also targeted Asian girls but the inquiry (may have been the Rotherham one) believe these were under-reported due to culture. | |||
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