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"Let me rewrite that for you: Out of touch judges cost Italy €1 Billion! Is it time to change the antiquated judicial infrastructures that are blighting the growth of European countries? " well someone's full of the christmas spirit aren't they? will no one think of the poor stray dogs  | |||
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"Let me rewrite that for you: Out of touch judges cost Italy €1 Billion! Is it time to change the antiquated judicial infrastructures that are blighting the growth of European countries? " Yup it's a waste of time coming up with any measures to counter asylum seekers abusing the system whilst HR lawyers and judges are able to block. THEY are the problem that needs addressing. | |||
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"Dwarfed by the Uk spending of £4.3 billion on costs associated with asylum seekers in the UK in 2023, and £3.7 billion in 2022. Does that Include £800m written off on the Rwanda scheme and £500m paid/to be paid to France. Add the home office costs, lawyers, nhs, etc, well over £10bn in 2 years Thank you to the pensioners and farmers contributing to this. " Only in the last part of 2024 so a moot point  | |||
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"Dwarfed by the Uk spending of £4.3 billion on costs associated with asylum seekers in the UK in 2023, and £3.7 billion in 2022. Does that Include £800m written off on the Rwanda scheme and £500m paid/to be paid to France. Add the home office costs, lawyers, nhs, etc, well over £10bn in 2 years Thank you to the pensioners and farmers contributing to this. Only in the last part of 2024 so a moot point "And if the farmers have cows, a moooot point  | |||
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"Dwarfed by the Uk spending of £4.3 billion on costs associated with asylum seekers in the UK in 2023, and £3.7 billion in 2022. Does that Include £800m written off on the Rwanda scheme and £500m paid/to be paid to France. Add the home office costs, lawyers, nhs, etc, well over £10bn in 2 years Thank you to the pensioners and farmers contributing to this. Only in the last part of 2024 so a moot point
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"Dwarfed by the Uk spending of £4.3 billion on costs associated with asylum seekers in the UK in 2023, and £3.7 billion in 2022. Does that Include £800m written off on the Rwanda scheme and £500m paid/to be paid to France. Add the home office costs, lawyers, nhs, etc, well over £10bn in 2 years Thank you to the pensioners and farmers contributing to this. Only in the last part of 2024 so a moot point
And if the farmers have cows, a moooot point "You're not talking bullocks about this important matter, although you are providing anudder viewpoint. | |||
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"Let me rewrite that for you: Out of touch judges cost Italy €1 Billion! Is it time to change the antiquated judicial infrastructures that are blighting the growth of European countries? well someone's full of the christmas spirit aren't they? will no one think of the poor stray dogs "The Vietnamese are licking their lips. Jus sayin | |||
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"Dwarfed by the Uk spending of £4.3 billion on costs associated with asylum seekers in the UK in 2023, and £3.7 billion in 2022. Does that Include £800m written off on the Rwanda scheme and £500m paid/to be paid to France. Add the home office costs, lawyers, nhs, etc, well over £10bn in 2 years Thank you to the pensioners and farmers contributing to this. " Services cost money, so how do you stop asylum seekers and illegal immigrants? | |||
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"Dwarfed by the Uk spending of £4.3 billion on costs associated with asylum seekers in the UK in 2023, and £3.7 billion in 2022. Does that Include £800m written off on the Rwanda scheme and £500m paid/to be paid to France. Add the home office costs, lawyers, nhs, etc, well over £10bn in 2 years Thank you to the pensioners and farmers contributing to this. Services cost money, so how do you stop asylum seekers and illegal immigrants? " stop fishing yhem out of the english channel might be a start | |||
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"Dwarfed by the Uk spending of £4.3 billion on costs associated with asylum seekers in the UK in 2023, and £3.7 billion in 2022. Does that Include £800m written off on the Rwanda scheme and £500m paid/to be paid to France. Add the home office costs, lawyers, nhs, etc, well over £10bn in 2 years Thank you to the pensioners and farmers contributing to this. Services cost money, so how do you stop asylum seekers and illegal immigrants? stop fishing yhem out of the english channel might be a start" The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) requires that ships assist anyone in danger at sea, unless it would put the rescuing ship in serious danger. That is the reason we continue to fish them out of the English channel. If we stop doing that then in the event of a uk vessel sinking in foreign or international waters no one will go to their rescue. Not a good idea. So how do we stop them? | |||
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"Dwarfed by the Uk spending of £4.3 billion on costs associated with asylum seekers in the UK in 2023, and £3.7 billion in 2022. Does that Include £800m written off on the Rwanda scheme and £500m paid/to be paid to France. Add the home office costs, lawyers, nhs, etc, well over £10bn in 2 years Thank you to the pensioners and farmers contributing to this. Services cost money, so how do you stop asylum seekers and illegal immigrants? stop fishing yhem out of the english channel might be a start The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) requires that ships assist anyone in danger at sea, unless it would put the rescuing ship in serious danger. That is the reason we continue to fish them out of the English channel. If we stop doing that then in the event of a uk vessel sinking in foreign or international waters no one will go to their rescue. Not a good idea. So how do we stop them? " like I said stop fishing them out of the sea,failing that massive fines for anyone who brings them ashore in the uk | |||
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"Dwarfed by the Uk spending of £4.3 billion on costs associated with asylum seekers in the UK in 2023, and £3.7 billion in 2022. Does that Include £800m written off on the Rwanda scheme and £500m paid/to be paid to France. Add the home office costs, lawyers, nhs, etc, well over £10bn in 2 years Thank you to the pensioners and farmers contributing to this. Services cost money, so how do you stop asylum seekers and illegal immigrants? stop fishing yhem out of the english channel might be a start The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) requires that ships assist anyone in danger at sea, unless it would put the rescuing ship in serious danger. That is the reason we continue to fish them out of the English channel. If we stop doing that then in the event of a uk vessel sinking in foreign or international waters no one will go to their rescue. Not a good idea. So how do we stop them? " we dont have to stop them its simpler. We stop the reason they want to come here | |||
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"Dwarfed by the Uk spending of £4.3 billion on costs associated with asylum seekers in the UK in 2023, and £3.7 billion in 2022. Does that Include £800m written off on the Rwanda scheme and £500m paid/to be paid to France. Add the home office costs, lawyers, nhs, etc, well over £10bn in 2 years Thank you to the pensioners and farmers contributing to this. Services cost money, so how do you stop asylum seekers and illegal immigrants? stop fishing yhem out of the english channel might be a start The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) requires that ships assist anyone in danger at sea, unless it would put the rescuing ship in serious danger. That is the reason we continue to fish them out of the English channel. If we stop doing that then in the event of a uk vessel sinking in foreign or international waters no one will go to their rescue. Not a good idea. So how do we stop them? like I said stop fishing them out of the sea,failing that massive fines for anyone who brings them ashore in the uk" We are obligated by international treaty to fish them out of the sea. So recognising that how do we stop them. Come on guys. The failing Government needs our advice. | |||
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"Dwarfed by the Uk spending of £4.3 billion on costs associated with asylum seekers in the UK in 2023, and £3.7 billion in 2022. Does that Include £800m written off on the Rwanda scheme and £500m paid/to be paid to France. Add the home office costs, lawyers, nhs, etc, well over £10bn in 2 years Thank you to the pensioners and farmers contributing to this. Services cost money, so how do you stop asylum seekers and illegal immigrants? stop fishing yhem out of the english channel might be a start The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) requires that ships assist anyone in danger at sea, unless it would put the rescuing ship in serious danger. That is the reason we continue to fish them out of the English channel. If we stop doing that then in the event of a uk vessel sinking in foreign or international waters no one will go to their rescue. Not a good idea. So how do we stop them? like I said stop fishing them out of the sea,failing that massive fines for anyone who brings them ashore in the uk We are obligated by international treaty to fish them out of the sea. So recognising that how do we stop them. Come on guys. The failing Government needs our advice. " you are conflating 2 things here, maritime laws and illegal entry to the country. We have an obligation as you say under maritime laws and obligations, however to prevent them entering the country the only thing we can do is to remove ourselves from the outdated and exploited refugee convention that allows people to simply ignore our sovereignty, and write a new convention that protects asylum seekers and punishers law breakers. | |||
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"The boats account for 2% of gross immigration . Please see through the media bullshit on the boats. They are insignificant in the scheme of things but take up a lot of the media. Process them quicker would help too. Get them to work. It would be far more effective to stop the other 98% getting on planes or putting them straight back on a plane if they are not here to work, study, or are the dependants of a worker / taxpayer. No aunties and grandparents please unless you agree to pay their way. We can deal with flights far easier. " I'm not going to get drawn into a long drawn out on this. 150k have entered via small boat since 2018, how large is the population of your town? 2% reflects nothing, unless you put numbers behind it. | |||
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"The boats account for 2% of gross immigration . Please see through the media bullshit on the boats. They are insignificant in the scheme of things but take up a lot of the media. Process them quicker would help too. Get them to work. It would be far more effective to stop the other 98% getting on planes or putting them straight back on a plane if they are not here to work, study, or are the dependants of a worker / taxpayer. No aunties and grandparents please unless you agree to pay their way. We can deal with flights far easier. I'm not going to get drawn into a long drawn out on this. 150k have entered via small boat since 2018, how large is the population of your town? 2% reflects nothing, unless you put numbers behind it." Ok to put it in perspective it would take 40 years of boat arrivals to equal one year of plane arrivals. Think that sums it up well enough. | |||
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"The boats account for 2% of gross immigration . Please see through the media bullshit on the boats. They are insignificant in the scheme of things but take up a lot of the media. Process them quicker would help too. Get them to work. It would be far more effective to stop the other 98% getting on planes or putting them straight back on a plane if they are not here to work, study, or are the dependants of a worker / taxpayer. No aunties and grandparents please unless you agree to pay their way. We can deal with flights far easier. I'm not going to get drawn into a long drawn out on this. 150k have entered via small boat since 2018, how large is the population of your town? 2% reflects nothing, unless you put numbers behind it. Ok to put it in perspective it would take 40 years of boat arrivals to equal one year of plane arrivals. Think that sums it up well enough. " Out of context | |||
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"The boats account for 2% of gross immigration . Please see through the media bullshit on the boats. They are insignificant in the scheme of things but take up a lot of the media. Process them quicker would help too. Get them to work. It would be far more effective to stop the other 98% getting on planes or putting them straight back on a plane if they are not here to work, study, or are the dependants of a worker / taxpayer. No aunties and grandparents please unless you agree to pay their way. We can deal with flights far easier. " This percent, that percent, uncle Tom Cobleys percent. The fact is that 150,000 and counting have entered the UK illegally with little or no checks on who they are or what are their intentions. You are right that we can deal with flights much easier and that is the whole point. Why would a genuine asylum seeker risk his life and pay thousands to people smugglers when, assuming he had a genuine claim, could hop on a Ryanair for less than a hundred quid? The answer is glaringly obvious. At an airport he would need a passport that would show where he really came from. He would then be dealt with and likely packed off back there. They choose the boats because they can come with no documents and/or background checks. Who knows what their real intentions are? If you want to rely on percentages, here's one for you. If only 1% of those coming on the boats have sinister intentions, that is 1,500 out there who would do us harm. I fear that percentage is much higher. | |||
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"The boats account for 2% of gross immigration . Please see through the media bullshit on the boats. They are insignificant in the scheme of things but take up a lot of the media. Process them quicker would help too. Get them to work. It would be far more effective to stop the other 98% getting on planes or putting them straight back on a plane if they are not here to work, study, or are the dependants of a worker / taxpayer. No aunties and grandparents please unless you agree to pay their way. We can deal with flights far easier. This percent, that percent, uncle Tom Cobleys percent. The fact is that 150,000 and counting have entered the UK illegally with little or no checks on who they are or what are their intentions. You are right that we can deal with flights much easier and that is the whole point. Why would a genuine asylum seeker risk his life and pay thousands to people smugglers when, assuming he had a genuine claim, could hop on a Ryanair for less than a hundred quid? The answer is glaringly obvious. At an airport he would need a passport that would show where he really came from. He would then be dealt with and likely packed off back there. They choose the boats because they can come with no documents and/or background checks. Who knows what their real intentions are? If you want to rely on percentages, here's one for you. If only 1% of those coming on the boats have sinister intentions, that is 1,500 out there who would do us harm. I fear that percentage is much higher." i dont think you're going to get a grown up reply to that post 👌 | |||
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"The boats account for 2% of gross immigration . Please see through the media bullshit on the boats. They are insignificant in the scheme of things but take up a lot of the media. Process them quicker would help too. Get them to work. It would be far more effective to stop the other 98% getting on planes or putting them straight back on a plane if they are not here to work, study, or are the dependants of a worker / taxpayer. No aunties and grandparents please unless you agree to pay their way. We can deal with flights far easier. I'm not going to get drawn into a long drawn out on this. 150k have entered via small boat since 2018, how large is the population of your town? 2% reflects nothing, unless you put numbers behind it." The 2% figure relating to the small boats, is that 2% of all asylum seekers? Or mixed in with normal immigration, which is a different category of arrivals. I thought (maybe incorrectly) that those that arrive by small boats are all claiming asylum. Normal immigration is a different thing and the previous lot changed the rules to make it harder (increased the earning threshold etc) to arrive this way. Last I saw, these changes did have an impact by reducing the numbers. | |||
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"The boats account for 2% of gross immigration . Please see through the media bullshit on the boats. They are insignificant in the scheme of things but take up a lot of the media. Process them quicker would help too. Get them to work. It would be far more effective to stop the other 98% getting on planes or putting them straight back on a plane if they are not here to work, study, or are the dependants of a worker / taxpayer. No aunties and grandparents please unless you agree to pay their way. We can deal with flights far easier. I'm not going to get drawn into a long drawn out on this. 150k have entered via small boat since 2018, how large is the population of your town? 2% reflects nothing, unless you put numbers behind it. The 2% figure relating to the small boats, is that 2% of all asylum seekers? Or mixed in with normal immigration, which is a different category of arrivals. I thought (maybe incorrectly) that those that arrive by small boats are all claiming asylum. Normal immigration is a different thing and the previous lot changed the rules to make it harder (increased the earning threshold etc) to arrive this way. Last I saw, these changes did have an impact by reducing the numbers." You are right, those entering by plane will mainly be legal migrants that have secured work and visas. The 2% claim means nothing, it could be 2% of 10 or 2% of a million, which are significantly different in number, but always looks insignificant as a %. It’s a practice used commonly to downplay facts and make argument's look trivial. | |||
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"The boats account for 2% of gross immigration . Please see through the media bullshit on the boats. They are insignificant in the scheme of things but take up a lot of the media. Process them quicker would help too. Get them to work. It would be far more effective to stop the other 98% getting on planes or putting them straight back on a plane if they are not here to work, study, or are the dependants of a worker / taxpayer. No aunties and grandparents please unless you agree to pay their way. We can deal with flights far easier. This percent, that percent, uncle Tom Cobleys percent. The fact is that 150,000 and counting have entered the UK illegally with little or no checks on who they are or what are their intentions. You are right that we can deal with flights much easier and that is the whole point. Why would a genuine asylum seeker risk his life and pay thousands to people smugglers when, assuming he had a genuine claim, could hop on a Ryanair for less than a hundred quid? The answer is glaringly obvious. At an airport he would need a passport that would show where he really came from. He would then be dealt with and likely packed off back there. They choose the boats because they can come with no documents and/or background checks. Who knows what their real intentions are? If you want to rely on percentages, here's one for you. If only 1% of those coming on the boats have sinister intentions, that is 1,500 out there who would do us harm. I fear that percentage is much higher." So why do so many report when they do arrive even when not forced to?? Also where did you get 150k from. The worst ever year was 45k | |||
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"The boats account for 2% of gross immigration . Please see through the media bullshit on the boats. They are insignificant in the scheme of things but take up a lot of the media. Process them quicker would help too. Get them to work. It would be far more effective to stop the other 98% getting on planes or putting them straight back on a plane if they are not here to work, study, or are the dependants of a worker / taxpayer. No aunties and grandparents please unless you agree to pay their way. We can deal with flights far easier. This percent, that percent, uncle Tom Cobleys percent. The fact is that 150,000 and counting have entered the UK illegally with little or no checks on who they are or what are their intentions. You are right that we can deal with flights much easier and that is the whole point. Why would a genuine asylum seeker risk his life and pay thousands to people smugglers when, assuming he had a genuine claim, could hop on a Ryanair for less than a hundred quid? The answer is glaringly obvious. At an airport he would need a passport that would show where he really came from. He would then be dealt with and likely packed off back there. They choose the boats because they can come with no documents and/or background checks. Who knows what their real intentions are? If you want to rely on percentages, here's one for you. If only 1% of those coming on the boats have sinister intentions, that is 1,500 out there who would do us harm. I fear that percentage is much higher. So why do so many report when they do arrive even when not forced to?? Also where did you get 150k from. The worst ever year was 45k " 45k was small boat arrivals only. | |||
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"The boats account for 2% of gross immigration . Please see through the media bullshit on the boats. They are insignificant in the scheme of things but take up a lot of the media. Process them quicker would help too. Get them to work. It would be far more effective to stop the other 98% getting on planes or putting them straight back on a plane if they are not here to work, study, or are the dependants of a worker / taxpayer. No aunties and grandparents please unless you agree to pay their way. We can deal with flights far easier. This percent, that percent, uncle Tom Cobleys percent. The fact is that 150,000 and counting have entered the UK illegally with little or no checks on who they are or what are their intentions. You are right that we can deal with flights much easier and that is the whole point. Why would a genuine asylum seeker risk his life and pay thousands to people smugglers when, assuming he had a genuine claim, could hop on a Ryanair for less than a hundred quid? The answer is glaringly obvious. At an airport he would need a passport that would show where he really came from. He would then be dealt with and likely packed off back there. They choose the boats because they can come with no documents and/or background checks. Who knows what their real intentions are? If you want to rely on percentages, here's one for you. If only 1% of those coming on the boats have sinister intentions, that is 1,500 out there who would do us harm. I fear that percentage is much higher. So why do so many report when they do arrive even when not forced to?? Also where did you get 150k from. The worst ever year was 45k 45k was small boat arrivals only." Can you tell me how how the other 105k per year are arriving illegally? I genuinely don’t know so happy to learn. | |||
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"The boats account for 2% of gross immigration . Please see through the media bullshit on the boats. They are insignificant in the scheme of things but take up a lot of the media. Process them quicker would help too. Get them to work. It would be far more effective to stop the other 98% getting on planes or putting them straight back on a plane if they are not here to work, study, or are the dependants of a worker / taxpayer. No aunties and grandparents please unless you agree to pay their way. We can deal with flights far easier. This percent, that percent, uncle Tom Cobleys percent. The fact is that 150,000 and counting have entered the UK illegally with little or no checks on who they are or what are their intentions. You are right that we can deal with flights much easier and that is the whole point. Why would a genuine asylum seeker risk his life and pay thousands to people smugglers when, assuming he had a genuine claim, could hop on a Ryanair for less than a hundred quid? The answer is glaringly obvious. At an airport he would need a passport that would show where he really came from. He would then be dealt with and likely packed off back there. They choose the boats because they can come with no documents and/or background checks. Who knows what their real intentions are? If you want to rely on percentages, here's one for you. If only 1% of those coming on the boats have sinister intentions, that is 1,500 out there who would do us harm. I fear that percentage is much higher. So why do so many report when they do arrive even when not forced to?? Also where did you get 150k from. The worst ever year was 45k " Total is 150,839 from 2019 to the end of last year. Source: Migration watch. Of course they are not forced to report. Did you actually read what I posted? It's all about documents. With a passport we know who he is and from which country he is from. We can also do background checks. If he has no, or the wrong, passport and/or no visa he can even be stopped boarding the flight. Without a passport he is whoever he wants to be from whichever country gives him the best chance of a claim. That is why they "choose" to cross illegally on the boats. | |||
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"The boats account for 2% of gross immigration . Please see through the media bullshit on the boats. They are insignificant in the scheme of things but take up a lot of the media. Process them quicker would help too. Get them to work. It would be far more effective to stop the other 98% getting on planes or putting them straight back on a plane if they are not here to work, study, or are the dependants of a worker / taxpayer. No aunties and grandparents please unless you agree to pay their way. We can deal with flights far easier. This percent, that percent, uncle Tom Cobleys percent. The fact is that 150,000 and counting have entered the UK illegally with little or no checks on who they are or what are their intentions. You are right that we can deal with flights much easier and that is the whole point. Why would a genuine asylum seeker risk his life and pay thousands to people smugglers when, assuming he had a genuine claim, could hop on a Ryanair for less than a hundred quid? The answer is glaringly obvious. At an airport he would need a passport that would show where he really came from. He would then be dealt with and likely packed off back there. They choose the boats because they can come with no documents and/or background checks. Who knows what their real intentions are? If you want to rely on percentages, here's one for you. If only 1% of those coming on the boats have sinister intentions, that is 1,500 out there who would do us harm. I fear that percentage is much higher. So why do so many report when they do arrive even when not forced to?? Also where did you get 150k from. The worst ever year was 45k Total is 150,839 from 2019 to the end of last year. Source: Migration watch. Of course they are not forced to report. Did you actually read what I posted? It's all about documents. With a passport we know who he is and from which country he is from. We can also do background checks. If he has no, or the wrong, passport and/or no visa he can even be stopped boarding the flight. Without a passport he is whoever he wants to be from whichever country gives him the best chance of a claim. That is why they "choose" to cross illegally on the boats." Yes I read it and you said 150k but it’s not per year is it, so my 2% stands. It takes forty years of boat arrivals to equal one year of plane arrivals. The 150k is from 2018 I believe. Now did you know at least 9% of the boat arrivals are referred for modern sl4ve trafficking? Yes they are being trafficked so they don’t throw away their documents they are taken off them and that’s if they’ve ever had one in the first place. Remember a lot of these people won’t ever have had a passport in the first place. They are not arriving from places where international travel is the norm. If you’re seeking genuine asylum then there’s a good chance you don’t want to be sent back as it’s not safe. So you throw away your passport. A senior qualified nurse surgical nurse from Iraq I know personally had a gun put to his head every week by ISIS to give them the hospital drugs. The one week there was no drugs as none had been delivered he was told next time we will kill you. He decided to leave and be with family in Birmingham that week. So just for reference. Yes some are here to make money. That’s a good thing if we processed them quickly and put them to work. Now let’s talk more about documents. The biggest by plane arrivals into the U.K are India and Pakistan. So you think genuine documents. In 2020 a PIA airlines plane crashed killing all but two of the 97 people.The tragedy lead to an investigation of the pilots. It turns out the guy at the controls was not qualified to fly the plane. Then further investigation found 180 pilots weren’t qualified and had not been trained to fly the planes they were flying. Some had no qualifications to fly at all. They had all purchased fake documents. So tell me if it’s that easy to get a wide bodied jet license in Pakistan how hard do you think it’s going to be to get a common student qualifications , visa or passport? People’s vitriol is aim at the boat people even though the stats clearly show they are not the big problem. The problem is we don’t have safe routes abroad and our processing here is diabolical. Add to that the fee for all agreements with some countries and we end up with the chaos that is our immigration system. That surgical nurse I mentioned was not allowed to work for two years. | |||
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"I never said it was per year. Bottom line is that in the last 6 years 150,839 undocumented migrants have illegally entered the UK. People we know nothing about. If only, yes ONLY, 1% of those are coming with sinister intentions that is (if you want to be pedantic about exact numbers) 1,583 people walking around the country who mean us harm. How many per year is irrelevant other than for trying to make the problem look smaller than it is. Unlike the numbers, the bad guys don't reset on new years day. And to be honest I don't give a fuck if they are pushed into modern day sl@very. They were not forced onto those boats at gun point. If the trafficker's screwed them over afterwards that is their problem. You will find no bleeding heart for criminality here." And there it is. You’ve just describe perfectly who you are. You didn’t say over six years on purpose as you wanted to imply it was worse than it is. The fact 1% of 1.2m per year could be 12,000 criminals escapes you. Which also equates to 72000 over the same period. BTW the boat people mostly do get documented hence the delays. But you won’t have bothered to read that. Also crime in this country is falling and immigrants do not commit more crimes than those born here. There is no evidence to suggest arriving by boat makes you more likely to be a criminal. Fact check here. We changed the law to say asylum arriving was a crime so that’s not admissible . The UN think otherwise. The recent Albanian influx which had been stopped was organised crime and they arrived by boat and plane . They have a higher percentage crime figure. Again not looking to live here just commit crime. The 10% locked into the sl4ve trade by default are involved in criminal activity, Suella Braverman at a Tory speech made the claim that immigrants are committing more crimes. When asked for the evidence she back tracked and said it was anecdotal from the police. No police chief could be found to back up her claim. The boat arrivals unlike the plane arrivals are more likely to be the victims of crime rather than the ones who commit the crimes. And the fact you don’t care at all about any of these people shows your mindset and the person you are. You really need to have a long look in the mirror. Your privilege of growing up in a stable war free country must give you a lot of smug comfort . Remember it’s been our planes bombing the shit out of sone of these countries. Here ends my involvement in this debate because the facts and solutions are of no interest to you. Your personal bias is the only thing that matters to you. The likes of Farage will absolutely love you. I really hope your year goes well and you don’t suffer like the poor souls you vilify for risking their lives in trying to make their own shit lives better. I will not respond again so feel free to point accusing fingers, rant, stamp your feet and hold your breath as much as you like. Happy New Year  | |||
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"I never said it was per year. Bottom line is that in the last 6 years 150,839 undocumented migrants have illegally entered the UK. People we know nothing about. If only, yes ONLY, 1% of those are coming with sinister intentions that is (if you want to be pedantic about exact numbers) 1,583 people walking around the country who mean us harm. How many per year is irrelevant other than for trying to make the problem look smaller than it is. Unlike the numbers, the bad guys don't reset on new years day. And to be honest I don't give a fuck if they are pushed into modern day sl@very. They were not forced onto those boats at gun point. If the trafficker's screwed them over afterwards that is their problem. You will find no bleeding heart for criminality here. And there it is. You’ve just describe perfectly who you are. You didn’t say over six years on purpose as you wanted to imply it was worse than it is. The fact 1% of 1.2m per year could be 12,000 criminals escapes you. Which also equates to 72000 over the same period. BTW the boat people mostly do get documented hence the delays. But you won’t have bothered to read that. Also crime in this country is falling and immigrants do not commit more crimes than those born here. There is no evidence to suggest arriving by boat makes you more likely to be a criminal. Fact check here. We changed the law to say asylum arriving was a crime so that’s not admissible . The UN think otherwise. The recent Albanian influx which had been stopped was organised crime and they arrived by boat and plane . They have a higher percentage crime figure. Again not looking to live here just commit crime. The 10% locked into the sl4ve trade by default are involved in criminal activity, Suella Braverman at a Tory speech made the claim that immigrants are committing more crimes. When asked for the evidence she back tracked and said it was anecdotal from the police. No police chief could be found to back up her claim. The boat arrivals unlike the plane arrivals are more likely to be the victims of crime rather than the ones who commit the crimes. And the fact you don’t care at all about any of these people shows your mindset and the person you are. You really need to have a long look in the mirror. Your privilege of growing up in a stable war free country must give you a lot of smug comfort . Remember it’s been our planes bombing the shit out of sone of these countries. Here ends my involvement in this debate because the facts and solutions are of no interest to you. Your personal bias is the only thing that matters to you. The likes of Farage will absolutely love you. I really hope your year goes well and you don’t suffer like the poor souls you vilify for risking their lives in trying to make their own shit lives better. I will not respond again so feel free to point accusing fingers, rant, stamp your feet and hold your breath as much as you like. Happy New Year "You clearly read what the poster wrote, thought you knew what they meant, and have now had a full scale melt down when it turns out you got it wrong. Fuck me Fabio, never change | |||
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"I never said it was per year. Bottom line is that in the last 6 years 150,839 undocumented migrants have illegally entered the UK. People we know nothing about. If only, yes ONLY, 1% of those are coming with sinister intentions that is (if you want to be pedantic about exact numbers) 1,583 people walking around the country who mean us harm. How many per year is irrelevant other than for trying to make the problem look smaller than it is. Unlike the numbers, the bad guys don't reset on new years day. And to be honest I don't give a fuck if they are pushed into modern day sl@very. They were not forced onto those boats at gun point. If the trafficker's screwed them over afterwards that is their problem. You will find no bleeding heart for criminality here. And there it is. You’ve just describe perfectly who you are. You didn’t say over six years on purpose as you wanted to imply it was worse than it is. The fact 1% of 1.2m per year could be 12,000 criminals escapes you. Which also equates to 72000 over the same period. BTW the boat people mostly do get documented hence the delays. But you won’t have bothered to read that. Also crime in this country is falling and immigrants do not commit more crimes than those born here. There is no evidence to suggest arriving by boat makes you more likely to be a criminal. Fact check here. We changed the law to say asylum arriving was a crime so that’s not admissible . The UN think otherwise. The recent Albanian influx which had been stopped was organised crime and they arrived by boat and plane . They have a higher percentage crime figure. Again not looking to live here just commit crime. The 10% locked into the sl4ve trade by default are involved in criminal activity, Suella Braverman at a Tory speech made the claim that immigrants are committing more crimes. When asked for the evidence she back tracked and said it was anecdotal from the police. No police chief could be found to back up her claim. The boat arrivals unlike the plane arrivals are more likely to be the victims of crime rather than the ones who commit the crimes. And the fact you don’t care at all about any of these people shows your mindset and the person you are. You really need to have a long look in the mirror. Your privilege of growing up in a stable war free country must give you a lot of smug comfort . Remember it’s been our planes bombing the shit out of sone of these countries. Here ends my involvement in this debate because the facts and solutions are of no interest to you. Your personal bias is the only thing that matters to you. The likes of Farage will absolutely love you. I really hope your year goes well and you don’t suffer like the poor souls you vilify for risking their lives in trying to make their own shit lives better. I will not respond again so feel free to point accusing fingers, rant, stamp your feet and hold your breath as much as you like. Happy New Year "perhaps if the poor souls stayed in there own countrys and tried making them better they wouldnt have to risk drowning in the cbannel trying to get here illegally because lets be honest most are illegal economic mogrants not asylum seekers like some think they are | |||
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"Leo - his argument failed and he could not contend with the facts which is why I commented on his bias blinding his view. It was an observation not a personal attack. The irony of someone who spends half his time in another country wanting to stop others who are willing to work doing the same. He had no answer for the facts. Similar to you being confronted with facts around biomass for ships and trucks making your statements look mute. Fast - The original figure of 45k was contested and stated to be 150k so the original figure was per year. Please check the detail before saying I got it wrong. You can see the question as to where the bigger number came from. Festival - you are absolutely correct some of the migrants are economic I totally agree but put them to work rather than spend billions on trying to stop or house them. Or give them safe routes. As for you saying maybe they should stay in their own countries . Perhaps if we in the west stopped interfering with and bombing so many countries they could make their own countries better. Speak to Tony Blair he seems to know what he started. Funny how you all came barrelling in well after the facts turned the debate into a personal attack on the boat migrants which is just bias crap. Now I do really have to call it a day. I don’t like it getting personal either but the last statement above spoke for itself and needed a reply. I’ve spent too long on here lately so will take a break as I certainly don’t want anything to become personal attacks and that includes attacks from me. Sincerely best wishes to you all and remember as I also have to, it’s only a political forum on a swingers site. " Firstly, apologies that I didn't get involved when you deemed fit, and only afterwards. To address your point, The first figured introduced was 150k, you subsequently spoke of 45k as the worst year. At no point did anyone state 150k/year. You thought you knew what someone else was saying and then got personal when it turned out you were wrong. Would be much easier and make for much better discourse if you just accepted you were wrong. | |||
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"I never said it was per year. Bottom line is that in the last 6 years 150,839 undocumented migrants have illegally entered the UK. People we know nothing about. If only, yes ONLY, 1% of those are coming with sinister intentions that is (if you want to be pedantic about exact numbers) 1,583 people walking around the country who mean us harm. How many per year is irrelevant other than for trying to make the problem look smaller than it is. Unlike the numbers, the bad guys don't reset on new years day. And to be honest I don't give a fuck if they are pushed into modern day sl@very. They were not forced onto those boats at gun point. If the trafficker's screwed them over afterwards that is their problem. You will find no bleeding heart for criminality here. And there it is. You’ve just describe perfectly who you are. You didn’t say over six years on purpose as you wanted to imply it was worse than it is. The fact 1% of 1.2m per year could be 12,000 criminals escapes you. Which also equates to 72000 over the same period. BTW the boat people mostly do get documented hence the delays. But you won’t have bothered to read that. Also crime in this country is falling and immigrants do not commit more crimes than those born here. There is no evidence to suggest arriving by boat makes you more likely to be a criminal. Fact check here. We changed the law to say asylum arriving was a crime so that’s not admissible . The UN think otherwise. The recent Albanian influx which had been stopped was organised crime and they arrived by boat and plane . They have a higher percentage crime figure. Again not looking to live here just commit crime. The 10% locked into the sl4ve trade by default are involved in criminal activity, Suella Braverman at a Tory speech made the claim that immigrants are committing more crimes. When asked for the evidence she back tracked and said it was anecdotal from the police. No police chief could be found to back up her claim. The boat arrivals unlike the plane arrivals are more likely to be the victims of crime rather than the ones who commit the crimes. And the fact you don’t care at all about any of these people shows your mindset and the person you are. You really need to have a long look in the mirror. Your privilege of growing up in a stable war free country must give you a lot of smug comfort . Remember it’s been our planes bombing the shit out of sone of these countries. Here ends my involvement in this debate because the facts and solutions are of no interest to you. Your personal bias is the only thing that matters to you. The likes of Farage will absolutely love you. I really hope your year goes well and you don’t suffer like the poor souls you vilify for risking their lives in trying to make their own shit lives better. I will not respond again so feel free to point accusing fingers, rant, stamp your feet and hold your breath as much as you like. Happy New Year "Rationalisation and ad hominem justification makes discussing a difficult topic hard.. This approach has become common in debates on complex issues, but I do find it refreshing to see more people questioning why rationalisation is used to shift focus away from the core issues. Emotional fact twisting obscures real problems, such as the actions of criminals exploiting the outdated refugee convention and abusing legal loopholes. As we move into 2025, it’s clear we need a solution to the problem of illegal entry into the country. A first step would be transitioning away from the outdated Refugee Convention and developing our own framework. The question is why wouldn't we, especially after leaving the EU, is it now time for us to govern our own sovereignty? | |||
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"Leo - his argument failed and he could not contend with the facts which is why I commented on his bias blinding his view. It was an observation not a personal attack. The irony of someone who spends half his time in another country wanting to stop others who are willing to work doing the same. He had no answer for the facts. Similar to you being confronted with facts around biomass for ships and trucks making your statements look mute. Fast - The original figure of 45k was contested and stated to be 150k so the original figure was per year. Please check the detail before saying I got it wrong. You can see the question as to where the bigger number came from. Festival - you are absolutely correct some of the migrants are economic I totally agree but put them to work rather than spend billions on trying to stop or house them. Or give them safe routes. As for you saying maybe they should stay in their own countries . Perhaps if we in the west stopped interfering with and bombing so many countries they could make their own countries better. Speak to Tony Blair he seems to know what he started. Funny how you all came barrelling in well after the facts turned the debate into a personal attack on the boat migrants which is just bias crap. Now I do really have to call it a day. I don’t like it getting personal either but the last statement above spoke for itself and needed a reply. I’ve spent too long on here lately so will take a break as I certainly don’t want anything to become personal attacks and that includes attacks from me. Sincerely best wishes to you all and remember as I also have to, it’s only a political forum on a swingers site. " You seem to have made "calling it a day" a bit of habit. But hey ho I'll respond. You got it wrong about me living half of my time abroad. I live abroad permanently. I escaped from the yUK over 20 years ago. Sadly I do have to visit from time to time, but the visits are thankfully short and always confirm that I made the right decision. After saying that I still hold a UK passport, have family living there and am entitled to an opinion. But hey I've been getting that shit on here for years. Water off a ducks back. I didn't contest the 45k figure. You chucked it in as a bit of a spoiler AFTER I'd used the total 150k. Anyone in any doubt just check the thread. What can't speak can't lie. If you want a good comparison to the criminality of migrants just take a look at Sweden. Once the liberal open door of Europe now slamming it firmly shut. After years of spiralling crime rates, 40 fatal shootings last year alone and over 60 the previous year. That is one big number for a country of only 10 million (wanna chuck percentages at me again?) The Swedes have finally had enough. Expect the same from Germany later in the year. Do I care about the illegal migrants? no not a jot. If anything they are making life more difficult for the skilled legal migrants that are actually needed. Two bob chancers jumping on a rubber dinghy get no sympathy from me. As for Farage, no he's not my favourite but I'm glad he's there. He is the only one with any kind of voice that can see that Britain is sleepwalking into disaster. It was 45,000 last year, with Sweden and probably Germany clamping down how many this year? 55k 75k 100k. How long before the 150k total is 250k 500k a million? Unless things drastically change and soon that is where Britain is heading. Good luck with that and happy new year. | |||
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"Leo - his argument failed and he could not contend with the facts which is why I commented on his bias blinding his view. It was an observation not a personal attack. The irony of someone who spends half his time in another country wanting to stop others who are willing to work doing the same. He had no answer for the facts. Similar to you being confronted with facts around biomass for ships and trucks making your statements look mute. Fast - The original figure of 45k was contested and stated to be 150k so the original figure was per year. Please check the detail before saying I got it wrong. You can see the question as to where the bigger number came from. Festival - you are absolutely correct some of the migrants are economic I totally agree but put them to work rather than spend billions on trying to stop or house them. Or give them safe routes. As for you saying maybe they should stay in their own countries . Perhaps if we in the west stopped interfering with and bombing so many countries they could make their own countries better. Speak to Tony Blair he seems to know what he started. Funny how you all came barrelling in well after the facts turned the debate into a personal attack on the boat migrants which is just bias crap. Now I do really have to call it a day. I don’t like it getting personal either but the last statement above spoke for itself and needed a reply. I’ve spent too long on here lately so will take a break as I certainly don’t want anything to become personal attacks and that includes attacks from me. Sincerely best wishes to you all and remember as I also have to, it’s only a political forum on a swingers site. " uoir not gona change my mind its not some its most are illegal economic migrants, do i care if they drown trying to get here, no not at all if i had my way id be isduing fines to who ever fish them out of the sea, | |||
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"Leo - his argument failed and he could not contend with the facts which is why I commented on his bias blinding his view. It was an observation not a personal attack. The irony of someone who spends half his time in another country wanting to stop others who are willing to work doing the same. He had no answer for the facts. Similar to you being confronted with facts around biomass for ships and trucks making your statements look mute. Fast - The original figure of 45k was contested and stated to be 150k so the original figure was per year. Please check the detail before saying I got it wrong. You can see the question as to where the bigger number came from. Festival - you are absolutely correct some of the migrants are economic I totally agree but put them to work rather than spend billions on trying to stop or house them. Or give them safe routes. As for you saying maybe they should stay in their own countries . Perhaps if we in the west stopped interfering with and bombing so many countries they could make their own countries better. Speak to Tony Blair he seems to know what he started. Funny how you all came barrelling in well after the facts turned the debate into a personal attack on the boat migrants which is just bias crap. Now I do really have to call it a day. I don’t like it getting personal either but the last statement above spoke for itself and needed a reply. I’ve spent too long on here lately so will take a break as I certainly don’t want anything to become personal attacks and that includes attacks from me. Sincerely best wishes to you all and remember as I also have to, it’s only a political forum on a swingers site. You seem to have made "calling it a day" a bit of habit. But hey ho I'll respond. You got it wrong about me living half of my time abroad. I live abroad permanently. I escaped from the yUK over 20 years ago. Sadly I do have to visit from time to time, but the visits are thankfully short and always confirm that I made the right decision. After saying that I still hold a UK passport, have family living there and am entitled to an opinion. But hey I've been getting that shit on here for years. Water off a ducks back. I didn't contest the 45k figure. You chucked it in as a bit of a spoiler AFTER I'd used the total 150k. Anyone in any doubt just check the thread. What can't speak can't lie. If you want a good comparison to the criminality of migrants just take a look at Sweden. Once the liberal open door of Europe now slamming it firmly shut. After years of spiralling crime rates, 40 fatal shootings last year alone and over 60 the previous year. That is one big number for a country of only 10 million (wanna chuck percentages at me again?) The Swedes have finally had enough. Expect the same from Germany later in the year. Do I care about the illegal migrants? no not a jot. If anything they are making life more difficult for the skilled legal migrants that are actually needed. Two bob chancers jumping on a rubber dinghy get no sympathy from me. As for Farage, no he's not my favourite but I'm glad he's there. He is the only one with any kind of voice that can see that Britain is sleepwalking into disaster. It was 45,000 last year, with Sweden and probably Germany clamping down how many this year? 55k 75k 100k. How long before the 150k total is 250k 500k a million? Unless things drastically change and soon that is where Britain is heading. Good luck with that and happy new year. " I've just looked back up the thread regarding the 150k claim as was getting mightily confused. The first mentioned I found was from 'Notme' and is: I'm not going to get drawn into a long drawn out on this. 150k have entered via small boat since 2018, how large is the population of your town? 2% reflects nothing, unless you put numbers behind it. This clearly says it is the figure from 2018 and does at no point claim to be a single year. The next mention of the figure was from yourself and your post begins: This percent, that percent, uncle Tom Cobleys percent. The fact is that 150,000 and counting have entered the UK illegally with little or no checks on who they are or what are their intentions. Although it does not mention from 2018 it also does not claim to be a yearly figure either. If I had to make an assumption I would go for the 150k as a grand total given the way it is written ( just my opinion) Given those first two posts it appears that an incorrect assumption has been made by a third poster. Happy if anyone can find earlier posts with the figures as my eyes go blurry scrolling  | |||
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"Leo - his argument failed and he could not contend with the facts which is why I commented on his bias blinding his view. It was an observation not a personal attack. The irony of someone who spends half his time in another country wanting to stop others who are willing to work doing the same. He had no answer for the facts. Similar to you being confronted with facts around biomass for ships and trucks making your statements look mute. Fast - The original figure of 45k was contested and stated to be 150k so the original figure was per year. Please check the detail before saying I got it wrong. You can see the question as to where the bigger number came from. Festival - you are absolutely correct some of the migrants are economic I totally agree but put them to work rather than spend billions on trying to stop or house them. Or give them safe routes. As for you saying maybe they should stay in their own countries . Perhaps if we in the west stopped interfering with and bombing so many countries they could make their own countries better. Speak to Tony Blair he seems to know what he started. Funny how you all came barrelling in well after the facts turned the debate into a personal attack on the boat migrants which is just bias crap. Now I do really have to call it a day. I don’t like it getting personal either but the last statement above spoke for itself and needed a reply. I’ve spent too long on here lately so will take a break as I certainly don’t want anything to become personal attacks and that includes attacks from me. Sincerely best wishes to you all and remember as I also have to, it’s only a political forum on a swingers site. You seem to have made "calling it a day" a bit of habit. But hey ho I'll respond. You got it wrong about me living half of my time abroad. I live abroad permanently. I escaped from the yUK over 20 years ago. Sadly I do have to visit from time to time, but the visits are thankfully short and always confirm that I made the right decision. After saying that I still hold a UK passport, have family living there and am entitled to an opinion. But hey I've been getting that shit on here for years. Water off a ducks back. I didn't contest the 45k figure. You chucked it in as a bit of a spoiler AFTER I'd used the total 150k. Anyone in any doubt just check the thread. What can't speak can't lie. If you want a good comparison to the criminality of migrants just take a look at Sweden. Once the liberal open door of Europe now slamming it firmly shut. After years of spiralling crime rates, 40 fatal shootings last year alone and over 60 the previous year. That is one big number for a country of only 10 million (wanna chuck percentages at me again?) The Swedes have finally had enough. Expect the same from Germany later in the year. Do I care about the illegal migrants? no not a jot. If anything they are making life more difficult for the skilled legal migrants that are actually needed. Two bob chancers jumping on a rubber dinghy get no sympathy from me. As for Farage, no he's not my favourite but I'm glad he's there. He is the only one with any kind of voice that can see that Britain is sleepwalking into disaster. It was 45,000 last year, with Sweden and probably Germany clamping down how many this year? 55k 75k 100k. How long before the 150k total is 250k 500k a million? Unless things drastically change and soon that is where Britain is heading. Good luck with that and happy new year. I've just looked back up the thread regarding the 150k claim as was getting mightily confused. The first mentioned I found was from 'Notme' and is: I'm not going to get drawn into a long drawn out on this. 150k have entered via small boat since 2018, how large is the population of your town? 2% reflects nothing, unless you put numbers behind it. This clearly says it is the figure from 2018 and does at no point claim to be a single year. The next mention of the figure was from yourself and your post begins: This percent, that percent, uncle Tom Cobleys percent. The fact is that 150,000 and counting have entered the UK illegally with little or no checks on who they are or what are their intentions. Although it does not mention from 2018 it also does not claim to be a yearly figure either. If I had to make an assumption I would go for the 150k as a grand total given the way it is written ( just my opinion) Given those first two posts it appears that an incorrect assumption has been made by a third poster. Happy if anyone can find earlier posts with the figures as my eyes go blurry scrolling "Well done you. I don't think I would have had the patience. | |||
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"It was,it's called debate. In the past it has been called hijacking the thread, from puppies to immigration." The OP was referencing an Italian holding facility for processing asylum seekers in Albania, it has not been used due to concerns by Italian judges. The addition of dogs being kept in the facility was part of the narrative being peddled by the media outlet used here to drive home a point of wasted money. It was diverting attention from the real issue why judges are out of step with the Italian government’s plans to control illegal immigration. It was a clear transition from the superfluous media headlines to the core of the issue. | |||
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"It was,it's called debate. In the past it has been called hijacking the thread, from puppies to immigration. The OP was referencing an Italian holding facility for processing asylum seekers in Albania, it has not been used due to concerns by Italian judges. The addition of dogs being kept in the facility was part of the narrative being peddled by the media outlet used here to drive home a point of wasted money. It was diverting attention from the real issue why judges are out of step with the Italian government’s plans to control illegal immigration. It was a clear transition from the superfluous media headlines to the core of the issue. " Thanks, and apologies to _oalie66 | |||
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