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"FT says- Migrants coming to Britain on skilled worker visas contribute almost 15 per cent more to public finances than the average UK-born working adult, according to analysis by the government’s independent migration advisers. What do you say? " It doesn’t surprise me because they now have to earn 36K minimum so it’s about tax ? If it’s about spending I’d be surprised other than rent, most I know live live very frugally and send it all back home | |||
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"Some people need to realise we need immigrants to come into this country. Get them in, get them jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes. There is a birth rate time bomb creeping up on us, and somehow our public services are going to need workers and to be able to provide for us…. If that’s we are expecting as a nation?" Everyone realises we need immigrants. Where we will differ is what we need from those immigrants. | |||
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"Isn't that the whole point of skilled migrant visas? To bring over productive workers with skills we need?" That's my understanding too. For instance, If you need 5000 engineers and can't find in the UK then you bring in 5000 engineers. No more, no less. What you don't do is bring in unlimited engineers, you just get in what's required. It also helps make the immigrants contribution good as they are coming directly with a job. Also as others mention, the threshold on earnings has increased quite a bit with the exception of certain sectors | |||
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"Some people need to realise we need immigrants to come into this country. Get them in, get them jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes. There is a birth rate time bomb creeping up on us, and somehow our public services are going to need workers and to be able to provide for us…. If that’s we are expecting as a nation?" Yes, we've hardly had any immigration in the last 20 years have we ? | |||
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"FT says- Migrants coming to Britain on skilled worker visas contribute almost 15 per cent more to public finances than the average UK-born working adult, according to analysis by the government’s independent migration advisers. What do you say? " sounds good but are we accounting for all thia extra housing demand into the already unachievable 1.5 million? | |||
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"FT says- Migrants coming to Britain on skilled worker visas contribute almost 15 per cent more to public finances than the average UK-born working adult, according to analysis by the government’s independent migration advisers. What do you say? sounds good but are we accounting for all thia extra housing demand into the already unachievable 1.5 million? " Rayner repeated the claim we have plenty of houses. | |||
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"FT says- Migrants coming to Britain on skilled worker visas contribute almost 15 per cent more to public finances than the average UK-born working adult, according to analysis by the government’s independent migration advisers. What do you say? sounds good but are we accounting for all thia extra housing demand into the already unachievable 1.5 million? Rayner repeated the claim we have plenty of houses. " Rayners expertise is limited to sign language. (Nvq2) | |||
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"FT says- Migrants coming to Britain on skilled worker visas contribute almost 15 per cent more to public finances than the average UK-born working adult, according to analysis by the government’s independent migration advisers. What do you say? sounds good but are we accounting for all thia extra housing demand into the already unachievable 1.5 million? " But this is where some of the misinformation starts… Those people are not getting council housing.. those people are renting from the private sector Also .. the government (of all colours) has done a poor job of replacing the housing stock lost under “right to buy” | |||
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"FT says- Migrants coming to Britain on skilled worker visas contribute almost 15 per cent more to public finances than the average UK-born working adult, according to analysis by the government’s independent migration advisers. What do you say? sounds good but are we accounting for all thia extra housing demand into the already unachievable 1.5 million? But this is where some of the misinformation starts… Those people are not getting council housing.. those people are renting from the private sector Also .. the government (of all colours) has done a poor job of replacing the housing stock lost under “right to buy”" The English Housing Survey updated annually says 8.4 million people live on their own, 30% of uk dwellings are sole occupancy. | |||
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"FT says- Migrants coming to Britain on skilled worker visas contribute almost 15 per cent more to public finances than the average UK-born working adult, according to analysis by the government’s independent migration advisers. What do you say? sounds good but are we accounting for all thia extra housing demand into the already unachievable 1.5 million? But this is where some of the misinformation starts… Those people are not getting council housing.. those people are renting from the private sector Also .. the government (of all colours) has done a poor job of replacing the housing stock lost under “right to buy”" it certainly is where the missinformation starts, as you assumed i meant council housing when i said or implied nothing of the sort | |||
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"Some people need to realise we need immigrants to come into this country. Get them in, get them jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes. There is a birth rate time bomb creeping up on us, and somehow our public services are going to need workers and to be able to provide for us…. If that’s we are expecting as a nation?" Or we could get the people who are already here into jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes.  | |||
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"Some people need to realise we need immigrants to come into this country. Get them in, get them jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes. There is a birth rate time bomb creeping up on us, and somehow our public services are going to need workers and to be able to provide for us…. If that’s we are expecting as a nation? Everyone realises we need immigrants. Where we will differ is what we need from those immigrants. " And what do we need from immigrants? | |||
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"Some people need to realise we need immigrants to come into this country. Get them in, get them jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes. There is a birth rate time bomb creeping up on us, and somehow our public services are going to need workers and to be able to provide for us…. If that’s we are expecting as a nation? Yes, we've hardly had any immigration in the last 20 years have we ?" And we will need more to fund our public services and pensions Climate change will cause more immigrants to head our way. If Putin wins in Ukraine, where do you think all the Ukrainians will head? | |||
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"Some people need to realise we need immigrants to come into this country. Get them in, get them jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes. There is a birth rate time bomb creeping up on us, and somehow our public services are going to need workers and to be able to provide for us…. If that’s we are expecting as a nation? Or we could get the people who are already here into jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes. "More people are dropping out of employment (for a variety of reasons)since Covid and the jobs that need filling aren’t getting filled. | |||
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"Some people need to realise we need immigrants to come into this country. Get them in, get them jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes. There is a birth rate time bomb creeping up on us, and somehow our public services are going to need workers and to be able to provide for us…. If that’s we are expecting as a nation? Or we could get the people who are already here into jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes.
More people are dropping out of employment (for a variety of reasons)since Covid and the jobs that need filling aren’t getting filled.
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"Some people need to realise we need immigrants to come into this country. Get them in, get them jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes. There is a birth rate time bomb creeping up on us, and somehow our public services are going to need workers and to be able to provide for us…. If that’s we are expecting as a nation? Or we could get the people who are already here into jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes.
More people are dropping out of employment (for a variety of reasons)since Covid and the jobs that need filling aren’t getting filled.
Then the reasons people are dropping out of employment need addressing.
"I think people are realising that work isn’t paying like we’ve all been led to believe it would do. Can’t get mortgages, can’t get decent pensions, insecure work. But the vacancies still need filling… | |||
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"Some people need to realise we need immigrants to come into this country. Get them in, get them jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes. There is a birth rate time bomb creeping up on us, and somehow our public services are going to need workers and to be able to provide for us…. If that’s we are expecting as a nation? Or we could get the people who are already here into jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes.
More people are dropping out of employment (for a variety of reasons)since Covid and the jobs that need filling aren’t getting filled.
Then the reasons people are dropping out of employment need addressing.
I think people are realising that work isn’t paying like we’ve all been led to believe it would do.
Can’t get mortgages, can’t get decent pensions, insecure work.
But the vacancies still need filling… "we are on fairly decent wages together and tbh i sometimes wonder is it even worth it at the end of the month so i dont blame young kids, car insurance is astronomical forget a morgage unless u have 20k | |||
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"Isn't that the whole point of skilled migrant visas? To bring over productive workers with skills we need? That's my understanding too. For instance, If you need 5000 engineers and can't find in the UK then you bring in 5000 engineers. No more, no less. What you don't do is bring in unlimited engineers, you just get in what's required. It also helps make the immigrants contribution good as they are coming directly with a job. Also as others mention, the threshold on earnings has increased quite a bit with the exception of certain sectors" What if you don’t know how many engineers are needed? A small engineering company may not have calculated their need. Or a project may have gone exceptionally well, and extra engineers are needed. Or less. Or more people than expected pass their engineering exams, so less immigrants are needed. | |||
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"Some people need to realise we need immigrants to come into this country. Get them in, get them jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes. There is a birth rate time bomb creeping up on us, and somehow our public services are going to need workers and to be able to provide for us…. If that’s we are expecting as a nation? Or we could get the people who are already here into jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes.
More people are dropping out of employment (for a variety of reasons)since Covid and the jobs that need filling aren’t getting filled.
Then the reasons people are dropping out of employment need addressing.
I think people are realising that work isn’t paying like we’ve all been led to believe it would do.
Can’t get mortgages, can’t get decent pensions, insecure work.
But the vacancies still need filling… "Let me see if I understand what you are saying. People are making a conscious decision to remove themselves from the labour market because they are not getting out of it what they think they should, they are still presumably expecting to continue utilising the benefits of the welfare state, and your solution to this is to bring in immigrants to do the work instead.  | |||
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"Some people need to realise we need immigrants to come into this country. Get them in, get them jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes. There is a birth rate time bomb creeping up on us, and somehow our public services are going to need workers and to be able to provide for us…. If that’s we are expecting as a nation? Or we could get the people who are already here into jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes.
More people are dropping out of employment (for a variety of reasons)since Covid and the jobs that need filling aren’t getting filled.
Then the reasons people are dropping out of employment need addressing.
I think people are realising that work isn’t paying like we’ve all been led to believe it would do.
Can’t get mortgages, can’t get decent pensions, insecure work.
But the vacancies still need filling…
Let me see if I understand what you are saying.
People are making a conscious decision to remove themselves from the labour market because they are not getting out of it what they think they should, they are still presumably expecting to continue utilising the benefits of the welfare state, and your solution to this is to bring in immigrants to do the work instead. "If people are removing themselves from the Labour Market (for whatever reasons), and vacancies still need filling, then where are the workers coming from? | |||
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"Isn't that the whole point of skilled migrant visas? To bring over productive workers with skills we need? That's my understanding too. For instance, If you need 5000 engineers and can't find in the UK then you bring in 5000 engineers. No more, no less. What you don't do is bring in unlimited engineers, you just get in what's required. It also helps make the immigrants contribution good as they are coming directly with a job. Also as others mention, the threshold on earnings has increased quite a bit with the exception of certain sectors What if you don’t know how many engineers are needed? A small engineering company may not have calculated their need. Or a project may have gone exceptionally well, and extra engineers are needed. Or less. Or more people than expected pass their engineering exams, so less immigrants are needed. " The figures are not set in stone, they can be adjusted as the situation requires. I'm simply saying that if certain skills are required that are not available locally then they can be brought in from elsewhere but only the amount that is required. It should not be an anyone can come regardless of skill or lack of skill. Targeted immigration in other words. Of course training UK citizens should be the priority to fill any gaps. Bringing in people from abroad should be a last resort not the first option. | |||
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"Some people need to realise we need immigrants to come into this country. Get them in, get them jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes. There is a birth rate time bomb creeping up on us, and somehow our public services are going to need workers and to be able to provide for us…. If that’s we are expecting as a nation? Everyone realises we need immigrants. Where we will differ is what we need from those immigrants. And what do we need from immigrants?" Well this thread is about skilled migrants. We definitely need them to bring those skills. | |||
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"Some people need to realise we need immigrants to come into this country. Get them in, get them jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes. There is a birth rate time bomb creeping up on us, and somehow our public services are going to need workers and to be able to provide for us…. If that’s we are expecting as a nation? Everyone realises we need immigrants. Where we will differ is what we need from those immigrants. And what do we need from immigrants? Well this thread is about skilled migrants. We definitely need them to bring those skills. " Skilled migrants on their own won’t cover the shortfall in other industries. Hospitals, Care Homes, Hospitality, Transportation etc. | |||
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"FT says- Migrants coming to Britain on skilled worker visas contribute almost 15 per cent more to public finances than the average UK-born working adult, according to analysis by the government’s independent migration advisers. What do you say? sounds good but are we accounting for all thia extra housing demand into the already unachievable 1.5 million? " Bring in builders  | |||
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"Some people need to realise we need immigrants to come into this country. Get them in, get them jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes. There is a birth rate time bomb creeping up on us, and somehow our public services are going to need workers and to be able to provide for us…. If that’s we are expecting as a nation? Everyone realises we need immigrants. Where we will differ is what we need from those immigrants. And what do we need from immigrants? Well this thread is about skilled migrants. We definitely need them to bring those skills. Skilled migrants on their own won’t cover the shortfall in other industries. Hospitals, Care Homes, Hospitality, Transportation etc." If those are skills that are needed then they are 'skilled' migrants. That's the whole point of this thread. | |||
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"Some people need to realise we need immigrants to come into this country. Get them in, get them jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes. There is a birth rate time bomb creeping up on us, and somehow our public services are going to need workers and to be able to provide for us…. If that’s we are expecting as a nation? Everyone realises we need immigrants. Where we will differ is what we need from those immigrants. And what do we need from immigrants? Well this thread is about skilled migrants. We definitely need them to bring those skills. Skilled migrants on their own won’t cover the shortfall in other industries. Hospitals, Care Homes, Hospitality, Transportation etc. If those are skills that are needed then they are 'skilled' migrants. That's the whole point of this thread. " | |||
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"Some people need to realise we need immigrants to come into this country. Get them in, get them jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes. There is a birth rate time bomb creeping up on us, and somehow our public services are going to need workers and to be able to provide for us…. If that’s we are expecting as a nation? Everyone realises we need immigrants. Where we will differ is what we need from those immigrants. And what do we need from immigrants? Well this thread is about skilled migrants. We definitely need them to bring those skills. Skilled migrants on their own won’t cover the shortfall in other industries. Hospitals, Care Homes, Hospitality, Transportation etc. If those are skills that are needed then they are 'skilled' migrants. That's the whole point of this thread. " Public Finances are also included in the thread. We need more than Skilled Immigrants to help contribute towards the Public Finances. People are leaving the workforce, the population is getting older, the birth rate is going down. We need more people contributing to this country, otherwise we are gonna be in more of a mess than we are now | |||
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"What about the unskilled ones ?" The legal routes became hard from last April so unskilled workers mostly come illegally now. The changes to the Visa for the care sector mean that you have to offer at least 19,000, which nobody wants to. But they bring them still at a cost of £10-15K per person, any way they can, put them on the floors of private rentals in sleeping bags and use them mostly as bank staff for well below minimum wage. Those that escape usually end up as sex workers in the cities. | |||
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"What about the unskilled ones ? The legal routes became hard from last April so unskilled workers mostly come illegally now. The changes to the Visa for the care sector mean that you have to offer at least 19,000, which nobody wants to. But they bring them still at a cost of £10-15K per person, any way they can, put them on the floors of private rentals in sleeping bags and use them mostly as bank staff for well below minimum wage. Those that escape usually end up as sex workers in the cities." Another Brexit success | |||
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"What about the unskilled ones ? The legal routes became hard from last April so unskilled workers mostly come illegally now. The changes to the Visa for the care sector mean that you have to offer at least 19,000, which nobody wants to. But they bring them still at a cost of £10-15K per person, any way they can, put them on the floors of private rentals in sleeping bags and use them mostly as bank staff for well below minimum wage. Those that escape usually end up as sex workers in the cities." Unfortunately there are millions of low skill/no skill migrants already here, who make no net benefit to the economy. And if the Govt agrees to freedom of movement for under 30s from the EU there will soon be many more. The argument that mass immigration is good for the UK economy is rather contradicted by the shrinking gdp per capita over the last 20 years | |||
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"Some people need to realise we need immigrants to come into this country. Get them in, get them jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes. There is a birth rate time bomb creeping up on us, and somehow our public services are going to need workers and to be able to provide for us…. If that’s we are expecting as a nation? Everyone realises we need immigrants. Where we will differ is what we need from those immigrants. And what do we need from immigrants? Well this thread is about skilled migrants. We definitely need them to bring those skills. Skilled migrants on their own won’t cover the shortfall in other industries. Hospitals, Care Homes, Hospitality, Transportation etc. If those are skills that are needed then they are 'skilled' migrants. That's the whole point of this thread. Public Finances are also included in the thread. We need more than Skilled Immigrants to help contribute towards the Public Finances. People are leaving the workforce, the population is getting older, the birth rate is going down. We need more people contributing to this country, otherwise we are gonna be in more of a mess than we are now" Earlier in the thread you wanted to 'get them in and get them trained' That isn't skilled. We do need more people contributing, people who are skilled do contribute by filling positions and paying taxes. We don't need people who are a net drain. | |||
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"Some people need to realise we need immigrants to come into this country. Get them in, get them jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes. There is a birth rate time bomb creeping up on us, and somehow our public services are going to need workers and to be able to provide for us…. If that’s we are expecting as a nation? Everyone realises we need immigrants. Where we will differ is what we need from those immigrants. And what do we need from immigrants? Well this thread is about skilled migrants. We definitely need them to bring those skills. Skilled migrants on their own won’t cover the shortfall in other industries. Hospitals, Care Homes, Hospitality, Transportation etc. If those are skills that are needed then they are 'skilled' migrants. That's the whole point of this thread. Public Finances are also included in the thread. We need more than Skilled Immigrants to help contribute towards the Public Finances. People are leaving the workforce, the population is getting older, the birth rate is going down. We need more people contributing to this country, otherwise we are gonna be in more of a mess than we are now Earlier in the thread you wanted to 'get them in and get them trained' That isn't skilled. We do need more people contributing, people who are skilled do contribute by filling positions and paying taxes. We don't need people who are a net drain. " exactly but the majority are a net drain | |||
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"The need for a skilled workforce is not new, and we should maintain it through managed immigration. However, we should stop promoting unskilled and often illegal immigration as the solution to an ageing population or as a way to do the jobs we don’t want to. The focus should be on increasing productivity, not just boosting workforce numbers. An economy reliant on cheap labour costs slows innovation, upskilling, and investment in technology. Look how India transformed a low wage, low skill economy into a thriving country with huge productivity and growth potential. Their PPP is the 3rd largest in the world, a GDP (PPP) of over $14 Trillion. " | |||
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"What about the unskilled ones ? The legal routes became hard from last April so unskilled workers mostly come illegally now. The changes to the Visa for the care sector mean that you have to offer at least 19,000, which nobody wants to. But they bring them still at a cost of £10-15K per person, any way they can, put them on the floors of private rentals in sleeping bags and use them mostly as bank staff for well below minimum wage. Those that escape usually end up as sex workers in the cities. Unfortunately there are millions of low skill/no skill migrants already here, who make no net benefit to the economy. And if the Govt agrees to freedom of movement for under 30s from the EU there will soon be many more. The argument that mass immigration is good for the UK economy is rather contradicted by the shrinking gdp per capita over the last 20 years " Because for decades, right up until last April we opened the doors to as many unskilled people from anywhere in the world , all they needed was a fake piece of paper from an agent to say that they have some experience working as a care assistant. Why? Because the care sector was desperate for labour at minimum wage or sometimes just below minimum wage until the travel and sleepover rules changed and we didn’t have enough locals to do this It created a global supply chain of agents , guaranteeing people particularly from Thailand , Philippines & West Africa a job where you will get paid every single month , free education for their children free healthcare for their families all for around 5 to £10,000 which they could borrow and pay back at extortionate interest rates. Gave UK a world reputation as an easy place to go keep your head down and after five years you can apply for permanent leave to remain and bring all your family over. Now they’ve changed all the rules, but have people stop coming of course they haven’t | |||
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"The need for a skilled workforce is not new, and we should maintain it through managed immigration. However, we should stop promoting unskilled and often illegal immigration as the solution to an ageing population or as a way to do the jobs we don’t want to. The focus should be on increasing productivity, not just boosting workforce numbers. An economy reliant on cheap labour costs slows innovation, upskilling, and investment in technology. Look how India transformed a low wage, low skill economy into a thriving country with huge productivity and growth potential. Their PPP is the 3rd largest in the world, a GDP (PPP) of over $14 Trillion. " It’s a great case study in the ability of humans to better themselves when given opportunities to learn, when there is no state benefits, free education or free healthcare. My friend used to cook samosas in the evenings with his mum and sell them in petrol station forecouts on the way to school from age 6. There was simply no other way for the family to make money. These days kids living on benefits still demand the latest iPhone. What happened in India Could not ever happen in the UK | |||
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"The need for a skilled workforce is not new, and we should maintain it through managed immigration. However, we should stop promoting unskilled and often illegal immigration as the solution to an ageing population or as a way to do the jobs we don’t want to. The focus should be on increasing productivity, not just boosting workforce numbers. An economy reliant on cheap labour costs slows innovation, upskilling, and investment in technology. Look how India transformed a low wage, low skill economy into a thriving country with huge productivity and growth potential. Their PPP is the 3rd largest in the world, a GDP (PPP) of over $14 Trillion. It’s a great case study in the ability of humans to better themselves when given opportunities to learn, when there is no state benefits, free education or free healthcare. My friend used to cook samosas in the evenings with his mum and sell them in petrol station forecouts on the way to school from age 6. There was simply no other way for the family to make money. These days kids living on benefits still demand the latest iPhone. What happened in India Could not ever happen in the UK" I was just thinking about your example, what happened to kids with a bucket and sponge cleaning cars, the entrepreneurial types. Has a society would we encourage and welcome them, or criticise their parents for allowing them to talk to strangers. The child or any person with a bucket and sponge would learn the value of money, how to negotiate, how to look for work and the value of working. Cleaning cars might feel like a thing of the past, but it highlights a point, we need to move away from relying on cheap foreign labour as the solution to all our problems. Instead, we should recalibrate our mindset and focus on encouraging entrepreneurial thinking and self reliance from an early age. That’s how we build a stronger, more productive economy. | |||
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"Some people need to realise we need immigrants to come into this country. Get them in, get them jobs/trained up and get them paying taxes. There is a birth rate time bomb creeping up on us, and somehow our public services are going to need workers and to be able to provide for us…. If that’s we are expecting as a nation? Everyone realises we need immigrants. Where we will differ is what we need from those immigrants. And what do we need from immigrants? Well this thread is about skilled migrants. We definitely need them to bring those skills. Skilled migrants on their own won’t cover the shortfall in other industries. Hospitals, Care Homes, Hospitality, Transportation etc. If those are skills that are needed then they are 'skilled' migrants. That's the whole point of this thread. Public Finances are also included in the thread. We need more than Skilled Immigrants to help contribute towards the Public Finances. People are leaving the workforce, the population is getting older, the birth rate is going down. We need more people contributing to this country, otherwise we are gonna be in more of a mess than we are now Earlier in the thread you wanted to 'get them in and get them trained' That isn't skilled. We do need more people contributing, people who are skilled do contribute by filling positions and paying taxes. We don't need people who are a net drain. exactly but the majority are a net drain " This and plenty of other sources say otherwise https://www.davidsonmorris.com/immigrants-economic-contributions/ https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-fiscal-impact-of-immigration-in-the-uk/ | |||
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"The need for a skilled workforce is not new, and we should maintain it through managed immigration. However, we should stop promoting unskilled and often illegal immigration as the solution to an ageing population or as a way to do the jobs we don’t want to. The focus should be on increasing productivity, not just boosting workforce numbers. An economy reliant on cheap labour costs slows innovation, upskilling, and investment in technology. Look how India transformed a low wage, low skill economy into a thriving country with huge productivity and growth potential. Their PPP is the 3rd largest in the world, a GDP (PPP) of over $14 Trillion. It’s a great case study in the ability of humans to better themselves when given opportunities to learn, when there is no state benefits, free education or free healthcare. My friend used to cook samosas in the evenings with his mum and sell them in petrol station forecouts on the way to school from age 6. There was simply no other way for the family to make money. These days kids living on benefits still demand the latest iPhone. What happened in India Could not ever happen in the UK I was just thinking about your example, what happened to kids with a bucket and sponge cleaning cars, the entrepreneurial types. Has a society would we encourage and welcome them, or criticise their parents for allowing them to talk to strangers. The child or any person with a bucket and sponge would learn the value of money, how to negotiate, how to look for work and the value of working. Cleaning cars might feel like a thing of the past, but it highlights a point, we need to move away from relying on cheap foreign labour as the solution to all our problems. Instead, we should recalibrate our mindset and focus on encouraging entrepreneurial thinking and self reliance from an early age. That’s how we build a stronger, more productive economy." i 100% agree I see kids every morning in the local shop buying sweets paying on there phone there parents give them fat to much and don’t tell em to go earn it if a kid knocked on my door to wash me car I’d be over the moon last kids I seen doing that was my own | |||
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"FT says- Migrants coming to Britain on skilled worker visas contribute almost 15 per cent more to public finances than the average UK-born working adult, according to analysis by the government’s independent migration advisers. What do you say? sounds good but are we accounting for all thia extra housing demand into the already unachievable 1.5 million? Bring in builders "Yes I agree - builders and Labourers - these British builders are inflating prices like anything in the name of inflation. Government must launch a program, this will help a lot of younger people to afford the house as prices will nose dive. Labour wants 1.5 million houses, bring Builders from Turkey, India and China…let them build at mass scale. | |||
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"FT says- Migrants coming to Britain on skilled worker visas contribute almost 15 per cent more to public finances than the average UK-born working adult, according to analysis by the government’s independent migration advisers. What do you say? sounds good but are we accounting for all thia extra housing demand into the already unachievable 1.5 million? Bring in builders
Yes I agree - builders and Labourers - these British builders are inflating prices like anything in the name of inflation. Government must launch a program, this will help a lot of younger people to afford the house as prices will nose dive. Labour wants 1.5 million houses, bring Builders from Turkey, India and China…let them build at mass scale. "Yes, let's use them like they do in Dubai and Qatar, sla ve wages and conditions, no legal protection, thousands dead in accidents.  | |||
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"The need for a skilled workforce is not new, and we should maintain it through managed immigration. However, we should stop promoting unskilled and often illegal immigration as the solution to an ageing population or as a way to do the jobs we don’t want to. The focus should be on increasing productivity, not just boosting workforce numbers. An economy reliant on cheap labour costs slows innovation, upskilling, and investment in technology. Look how India transformed a low wage, low skill economy into a thriving country with huge productivity and growth potential. Their PPP is the 3rd largest in the world, a GDP (PPP) of over $14 Trillion. It’s a great case study in the ability of humans to better themselves when given opportunities to learn, when there is no state benefits, free education or free healthcare. My friend used to cook samosas in the evenings with his mum and sell them in petrol station forecouts on the way to school from age 6. There was simply no other way for the family to make money. These days kids living on benefits still demand the latest iPhone. What happened in India Could not ever happen in the UK I was just thinking about your example, what happened to kids with a bucket and sponge cleaning cars, the entrepreneurial types. Has a society would we encourage and welcome them, or criticise their parents for allowing them to talk to strangers. The child or any person with a bucket and sponge would learn the value of money, how to negotiate, how to look for work and the value of working. Cleaning cars might feel like a thing of the past, but it highlights a point, we need to move away from relying on cheap foreign labour as the solution to all our problems. Instead, we should recalibrate our mindset and focus on encouraging entrepreneurial thinking and self reliance from an early age. That’s how we build a stronger, more productive economy.i 100% agree I see kids every morning in the local shop buying sweets paying on there phone there parents give them fat to much and don’t tell em to go earn it if a kid knocked on my door to wash me car I’d be over the moon last kids I seen doing that was my own " | |||
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"FT says- Migrants coming to Britain on skilled worker visas contribute almost 15 per cent more to public finances than the average UK-born working adult, according to analysis by the government’s independent migration advisers. What do you say? sounds good but are we accounting for all thia extra housing demand into the already unachievable 1.5 million? Bring in builders
Yes I agree - builders and Labourers - these British builders are inflating prices like anything in the name of inflation. Government must launch a program, this will help a lot of younger people to afford the house as prices will nose dive. Labour wants 1.5 million houses, bring Builders from Turkey, India and China…let them build at mass scale.
Yes, let's use them like they do in Dubai and Qatar, sla ve wages and conditions, no legal protection, thousands dead in accidents. "Yeah all the skilled migrants living in a shithole here right? I said program, bring them here, build stuff, and if they can afford the minimum Sal required to get a working visa, let them stay , otherwise let them go back. Biggest problem in current situation in unaffordable house prices - why because these politicians and big businessmen are shareholders and will not let the house prices deflate. The only way possible is having a program and invite foreign builders to build at scale, with cheap labour. Just like what IT industry is doing by bringing cheap labour in on skilled visa, then it’s upto the individual to sort out high salaries and get work permit sorted. | |||
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"Nobody said we don't need immigrants, of course we do need them.its the levels of immigration that needs to be controlled as having nearly 1 million coming to settle in the UK with no places available to live isn't a sustainable and sensible doing things " It’s a deliberate attempt to keep the house prices inflated by not building enough houses. | |||
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"Add 10 million to your population through immigration. We need more houses ! Increase immigration again to build more houses. We need more houses! Rinse and repeat. "If those 10 million can afford the house of their own or rent through private landlords and pay fair share I. Taxes - that’s called growth in GDP. £ gets stronger, and you can more value for your buck in Benidorm…Basic maths, yes they would need houses cause they can afford buying it, or rent straightaway so build more houses..bring Turkish, Indian and Chinese builders…destroy the nexus formed by handful number is builders who are doing nothing by inflating the prices. Negotiate the contract with them…just like IT companies do, with SLA and impose fine if they’re met. | |||
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"Yes, let's have 200 million people and we'll live like Kings ! 🤴 "pmsl yes we live in the biggest country on earth we can acom millions more lol | |||
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"Yes, let's have 200 million people and we'll live like Kings ! 🤴 pmsl yes we live in the biggest country on earth we can acom millions more lol"It's a Christmas Miracle! 🎄 | |||
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"FT says- Migrants coming to Britain on skilled worker visas contribute almost 15 per cent more to public finances than the average UK-born working adult, according to analysis by the government’s independent migration advisers. What do you say? sounds good but are we accounting for all thia extra housing demand into the already unachievable 1.5 million? Bring in builders
Yes I agree - builders and Labourers - these British builders are inflating prices like anything in the name of inflation. Government must launch a program, this will help a lot of younger people to afford the house as prices will nose dive. Labour wants 1.5 million houses, bring Builders from Turkey, India and China…let them build at mass scale. "😂😂😂we use motar and bricks not mud and cob 🤦 | |||
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"FT says- Migrants coming to Britain on skilled worker visas contribute almost 15 per cent more to public finances than the average UK-born working adult, according to analysis by the government’s independent migration advisers. What do you say? sounds good but are we accounting for all thia extra housing demand into the already unachievable 1.5 million? Bring in builders
Yes I agree - builders and Labourers - these British builders are inflating prices like anything in the name of inflation. Government must launch a program, this will help a lot of younger people to afford the house as prices will nose dive. Labour wants 1.5 million houses, bring Builders from Turkey, India and China…let them build at mass scale. 😂😂😂we use motar and bricks not mud and cob 🤦"Yeah, that’s why when UK needs money they look towards Asia, isn’t it? - Reeves to take UK bankers to China as she seeks closer business ties. But When UK needs dick they know which continent to look for. Wicked isn’t it? Step out of your closet and see the world mate. | |||
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"Yes, let's have 200 million people and we'll live like Kings ! 🤴 "You and I cannot decide but just desire - it’s a bigwiggy businesses and politicians call, if they allow more illegals or legals who are really going to contribute back to UK economy. So thinking the UK doesn’t have enough - it’s because UK never built enough, all money wasted on councils and malpractices in NHS. No new bridges, no new schools, no new hospitals, housing industry in shit because of cost of building house is too high, unnecessary red tape controls by so called regulatory bodies. Too much government with little to less to govern. | |||
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"Yes, let's have 200 million people and we'll live like Kings ! 🤴
You and I cannot decide but just desire - it’s a bigwiggy businesses and politicians call, if they allow more illegals or legals who are really going to contribute back to UK economy. So thinking the UK doesn’t have enough - it’s because UK never built enough, all money wasted on councils and malpractices in NHS. No new bridges, no new schools, no new hospitals, housing industry in shit because of cost of building house is too high, unnecessary red tape controls by so called regulatory bodies. Too much government with little to less to govern. "and yet minions of ppl from outside U.K. flock here mad isn’t it wouldn’t you agree fella lol | |||
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"Add 10 million to your population through immigration. We need more houses ! Increase immigration again to build more houses. We need more houses! Rinse and repeat. "Also when those extra 10 million reach pension age you will need yet another 30 or 40 million new migrants to cover their pensions. | |||
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"Add 10 million to your population through immigration. We need more houses ! Increase immigration again to build more houses. We need more houses! Rinse and repeat.
Also when those extra 10 million reach pension age you will need yet another 30 or 40 million new migrants to cover their pensions. "It's rightly been described as a ponzi scheme. Of course the UK benefits from a healthy flow of skilled immigration but the idea we could plug every hole in our economy with unlimited immigration has been a huge failure. | |||
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"Yes, let's have 200 million people and we'll live like Kings ! 🤴
You and I cannot decide but just desire - it’s a bigwiggy businesses and politicians call, if they allow more illegals or legals who are really going to contribute back to UK economy. So thinking the UK doesn’t have enough - it’s because UK never built enough, all money wasted on councils and malpractices in NHS. No new bridges, no new schools, no new hospitals, housing industry in shit because of cost of building house is too high, unnecessary red tape controls by so called regulatory bodies. Too much government with little to less to govern. and yet minions of ppl from outside U.K. flock here mad isn’t it wouldn’t you agree fella lol"Agree, it’s because of £ , Weather, and Security. But we are at cusp of big transformation era, so things may not remain the same in future. Many legal migrants are coming on work visa for limited period of time. 1-3 yrs, if they can find another employer to keep them employed after this period, they stay, otherwise they go back. So yes inward immigration in high but people leaving this country is equally high as well. | |||
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"FT says- Migrants coming to Britain on skilled worker visas contribute almost 15 per cent more to public finances than the average UK-born working adult, according to analysis by the government’s independent migration advisers. Presumably someone arriving on a skilled worker visa is a skilled worker lol, little surprise then that contribute more than the average brit. Can't compare apples and oranges, compare skilled migrants vs skilled natives or perhaps skilled natives vs average migrants. What do you say? " | |||
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"FT says- Migrants coming to Britain on skilled worker visas contribute almost 15 per cent more to public finances than the average UK-born working adult, according to analysis by the government’s independent migration advisers. Presumably someone arriving on a skilled worker visa is a skilled worker lol, little surprise then that contribute more than the average brit. Can't compare apples and oranges, compare skilled migrants vs skilled natives or perhaps skilled natives vs average migrants. What do you say? " Presumably someone arriving on a skilled worker visa is a skilled worker lol, little surprise then that contribute more than the average brit. Can't compare apples and oranges, compare skilled migrants vs skilled natives or perhaps skilled natives vs average migrants. | |||
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"FT says- Migrants coming to Britain on skilled worker visas contribute almost 15 per cent more to public finances than the average UK-born working adult, according to analysis by the government’s independent migration advisers. Presumably someone arriving on a skilled worker visa is a skilled worker lol, little surprise then that contribute more than the average brit. Can't compare apples and oranges, compare skilled migrants vs skilled natives or perhaps skilled natives vs average migrants. What do you say? Presumably someone arriving on a skilled worker visa is a skilled worker lol, little surprise then that contribute more than the average brit. Can't compare apples and oranges, compare skilled migrants vs skilled natives or perhaps skilled natives vs average migrants." So are you against skilled migrants coming in and filling holes in the skills gap that the native can't or won't do. Think GP doctors in general. | |||
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"FT says- Migrants coming to Britain on skilled worker visas contribute almost 15 per cent more to public finances than the average UK-born working adult, according to analysis by the government’s independent migration advisers. Presumably someone arriving on a skilled worker visa is a skilled worker lol, little surprise then that contribute more than the average brit. Can't compare apples and oranges, compare skilled migrants vs skilled natives or perhaps skilled natives vs average migrants. What do you say? Presumably someone arriving on a skilled worker visa is a skilled worker lol, little surprise then that contribute more than the average brit. Can't compare apples and oranges, compare skilled migrants vs skilled natives or perhaps skilled natives vs average migrants. So are you against skilled migrants coming in and filling holes in the skills gap that the native can't or won't do. Think GP doctors in general." No where have I said I'm against skilled migrants, I'm making the point that it is obvious by the very definition that a skilled migrants will contribute more than the average native. A doctor presumably pays more tax the the national average (truckers, cleaners etc etc) So it's farcical to compare the contribution of skilled migrants vs the average native. | |||
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