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"So it's not rumours it's just them sticking to an election pledge, is that right? Mrs x" No, the proposals go well beyond what was in manifesto, which certainly did not mention scrapping elections! | |||
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"Can anyone tell me where I can find information on this pledge? I've checked pledgeprogress (someone on here keeps referring to it) but I can't find anything. " There are vague statements in the Labour manifesto but none of the details coming out now. | |||
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"These will be unitary authorities and having lived in one such area they are a nightmare with significant increases in cost to run which ends up on your council tax bill and the views of joe public are soundly ignored while they push through their agenda of the moment. The opposite of democracy." More taxes, less say, sounds about right. 😭 | |||
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"These will be unitary authorities and having lived in one such area they are a nightmare with significant increases in cost to run which ends up on your council tax bill and the views of joe public are soundly ignored while they push through their agenda of the moment. The opposite of democracy." This is it. I live in an area where the old tertiary system was replaced by a unitary. The funny thing is, not a single councillor from either the old County or District lost their seat and it employs more people than the former councils did but are delivering the same services to the same populus. The arguments that dismantling the old county/district/town & parish councils is more cost effective don’t seem to hold water and it’s not like anything is better run as a consequence. Moving to the cancelling of elections, it’s not mutually exclusive of restructuring, you just elect your councillors knowing that they will all end up in a “shadow executive” while the transition is implemented and if my LA is anything to go by you end up with exactly the same number of seats as you started with anyway. This smacks of interfering in the democratic process because Reform are a threat and it would signal just how pissed off we are with Comrade General Stasi-Starmer and we can’t have that in the People’s Democratic Republic of Stamrerland now can we? | |||
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"Can you imagine Labour doing this if they were miles ahead in the polls ?!" Yes… because regional devolution has been the plan for a long while It can work in certain specific situations… transport is probably one of the biggest For example the poster above, Caribbean king, might not like TFL for example, but they do a great job at joined up transport policy, London Underground, London overground, buses… joined up policy and pricing London has the power to do that regionally for example that no other city did… that is now being passed on…. Gmpte will start doing that for Manchester and surrounding, WYpte for Leeds/Sheffield and Yorkshire, nexus for the Newcastle/Sunderland which may be merge with Teesside to a greater north east region! The West Midlands has one.. the East Midlands will be getting one! Transport is just one… policing for example may be another… the local stuff will still be local, but anything that can be devolved from national to regional can’t be a bad thing If we have regional assemblies rather than parish and county councils, it makes for more joined up thinking and approaches | |||
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"Devolved power doesn't work ... see Birmingham council Spend 110 million bringing in a clean air zone that doesn't work, while the council goes bust." Whereas regional money has helped in for example improving Birmingham international airport, and the West Midlands metro projects….. The council going bust isn’t a regional development and devolution issue.. even the conservative West Midlands mayor will say that | |||
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"Devolved power doesn't work ... see Birmingham council Spend 110 million bringing in a clean air zone that doesn't work, while the council goes bust. Whereas regional money has helped in for example improving Birmingham international airport, and the West Midlands metro projects….. The council going bust isn’t a regional development and devolution issue.. even the conservative West Midlands mayor will say that " He would say that as it happened on his watch, and Conservative central government... hence why he was replaced by the public | |||
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"Devolved power doesn't work ... see Birmingham council Spend 110 million bringing in a clean air zone that doesn't work, while the council goes bust. Whereas regional money has helped in for example improving Birmingham international airport, and the West Midlands metro projects….. The council going bust isn’t a regional development and devolution issue.. even the conservative West Midlands mayor will say that He would say that as it happened on his watch, and Conservative central government... hence why he was replaced by the public" I have a sibling who worked for Birmingham CC, as she is female she was entitled to compensation as she had been under paid for over 30 years, as were every other women so the cost almost bankrupt them. | |||
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"Can anyone tell me where I can find information on this pledge? I've checked pledgeprogress (someone on here keeps referring to it) but I can't find anything. " You could read the WHite paper that was published yesterday - it's quite good fun in places. | |||
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"Can anyone tell me where I can find information on this pledge? I've checked pledgeprogress (someone on here keeps referring to it) but I can't find anything. You could read the WHite paper that was published yesterday - it's quite good fun in places." And on the cancelled elections bollocks ssome people are talking, here's what the Minister said yesterday “To lay the relevant legislation to postpone elections, I will need a clear commitment to devolution and reorganisation aims from upper-tier councils in an area, including a request from the council/s whose election is to be postponed, on or before Friday 10 January.” Or in other words, if councils come up with a plausible devolution plan that involves restructuring to a unitary, they need to tell Whitehall by January 10th, and show their plans, in which case they'll probably get an extra year before all out elections the following year for the new authority. this fits the sort of timetable that was used in 2007-08 in Cornwall, Durham and Northumberland. | |||
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"Can you imagine Labour doing this if they were miles ahead in the polls ?! Yes… because regional devolution has been the plan for a long while It can work in certain specific situations… transport is probably one of the biggest For example the poster above, Caribbean king, might not like TFL for example, but they do a great job at joined up transport policy, London Underground, London overground, buses… joined up policy and pricing London has the power to do that regionally for example that no other city did… that is now being passed on…. Gmpte will start doing that for Manchester and surrounding, WYpte for Leeds/Sheffield and Yorkshire, nexus for the Newcastle/Sunderland which may be merge with Teesside to a greater north east region! The West Midlands has one.. the East Midlands will be getting one! Transport is just one… policing for example may be another… the local stuff will still be local, but anything that can be devolved from national to regional can’t be a bad thing If we have regional assemblies rather than parish and county councils, it makes for more joined up thinking and approaches" If the North east is anything to go by you'll end up with a regional mayor who is currently a second rate Labour apparatchik, a police and crime commissioner, currently a second rate Labour apparatchik, a unitary authority (Newcastle, Gateshead et al) run by the same people as usual, a fire and rescue authority (because the water fairies refuse to be regionalized) and, for most of the area, a parish council as well. Whatever else this is, it's not a reduction in the number of layers of local government. | |||
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"Can anyone tell me where I can find information on this pledge? I've checked pledgeprogress (someone on here keeps referring to it) but I can't find anything. You could read the WHite paper that was published yesterday - it's quite good fun in places." I can read the white paper which was produced a couple of days ago but that is new. I'm asking for information on this scheme prior to the election. | |||
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"Can anyone tell me where I can find information on this pledge? I've checked pledgeprogress (someone on here keeps referring to it) but I can't find anything. You could read the WHite paper that was published yesterday - it's quite good fun in places. I can read the white paper which was produced a couple of days ago but that is new. I'm asking for information on this scheme prior to the election. " I don't want to spoil your fun but what if it wasn't entirely in their manifesto? Page 40 is probably where you want to be looking though. | |||
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"Can anyone tell me where I can find information on this pledge? I've checked pledgeprogress (someone on here keeps referring to it) but I can't find anything. You could read the WHite paper that was published yesterday - it's quite good fun in places. I can read the white paper which was produced a couple of days ago but that is new. I'm asking for information on this scheme prior to the election. I don't want to spoil your fun but what if it wasn't entirely in their manifesto? Page 40 is probably where you want to be looking though." Who the fuck wrote that? I can't make any sense of it. Maybe I'm just thick. | |||
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"Can you imagine Labour doing this if they were miles ahead in the polls ?! Yes… because regional devolution has been the plan for a long while It can work in certain specific situations… transport is probably one of the biggest For example the poster above, Caribbean king, might not like TFL for example, but they do a great job at joined up transport policy, London Underground, London overground, buses… joined up policy and pricing London has the power to do that regionally for example that no other city did… that is now being passed on…. Gmpte will start doing that for Manchester and surrounding, WYpte for Leeds/Sheffield and Yorkshire, nexus for the Newcastle/Sunderland which may be merge with Teesside to a greater north east region! The West Midlands has one.. the East Midlands will be getting one! Transport is just one… policing for example may be another… the local stuff will still be local, but anything that can be devolved from national to regional can’t be a bad thing If we have regional assemblies rather than parish and county councils, it makes for more joined up thinking and approaches" I never said I didn't like TFL, I said the service could be better from the value we pay for it | |||
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"Can anyone tell me where I can find information on this pledge? I've checked pledgeprogress (someone on here keeps referring to it) but I can't find anything. You could read the WHite paper that was published yesterday - it's quite good fun in places. I can read the white paper which was produced a couple of days ago but that is new. I'm asking for information on this scheme prior to the election. I don't want to spoil your fun but what if it wasn't entirely in their manifesto? Page 40 is probably where you want to be looking though. Who the fuck wrote that? I can't make any sense of it. Maybe I'm just thick. " Indeed. It is after all, just a manifesto. Like pre-nuptial agreements, it's usually better to read them before you make your decisions. | |||
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"Can anyone tell me where I can find information on this pledge? I've checked pledgeprogress (someone on here keeps referring to it) but I can't find anything. You could read the WHite paper that was published yesterday - it's quite good fun in places. I can read the white paper which was produced a couple of days ago but that is new. I'm asking for information on this scheme prior to the election. I don't want to spoil your fun but what if it wasn't entirely in their manifesto? Page 40 is probably where you want to be looking though. Who the fuck wrote that? I can't make any sense of it. Maybe I'm just thick. Indeed. It is after all, just a manifesto. Like pre-nuptial agreements, it's usually better to read them before you make your decisions." Why are you suggesting I haven't read any manifestos. You appear to know a lot but add a little. You've been round in circles here and still haven't answered my original request. Can you help out with that? | |||
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"Can anyone tell me where I can find information on this pledge? I've checked pledgeprogress (someone on here keeps referring to it) but I can't find anything. You could read the WHite paper that was published yesterday - it's quite good fun in places. I can read the white paper which was produced a couple of days ago but that is new. I'm asking for information on this scheme prior to the election. I don't want to spoil your fun but what if it wasn't entirely in their manifesto? Page 40 is probably where you want to be looking though. Who the fuck wrote that? I can't make any sense of it. Maybe I'm just thick. Indeed. It is after all, just a manifesto. Like pre-nuptial agreements, it's usually better to read them before you make your decisions. Why are you suggesting I haven't read any manifestos. You appear to know a lot but add a little. You've been round in circles here and still haven't answered my original request. Can you help out with that?" You seem to want me to do your research for you. Sorry love, I'd charge £75 an hour for that. If you want a bespoke paper on trends in DHCLG policy towards unitary authorities over the last 30 years that's £1000. if you don't know who Max Caller and Bob Kerslake (just two examples, not an exclusive list) are and were, you probably won't understand it. | |||
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"Can anyone tell me where I can find information on this pledge? I've checked pledgeprogress (someone on here keeps referring to it) but I can't find anything. You could read the WHite paper that was published yesterday - it's quite good fun in places. I can read the white paper which was produced a couple of days ago but that is new. I'm asking for information on this scheme prior to the election. I don't want to spoil your fun but what if it wasn't entirely in their manifesto? Page 40 is probably where you want to be looking though. Who the fuck wrote that? I can't make any sense of it. Maybe I'm just thick. Indeed. It is after all, just a manifesto. Like pre-nuptial agreements, it's usually better to read them before you make your decisions. Why are you suggesting I haven't read any manifestos. You appear to know a lot but add a little. You've been round in circles here and still haven't answered my original request. Can you help out with that?You seem to want me to do your research for you. Sorry love, I'd charge £75 an hour for that. If you want a bespoke paper on trends in DHCLG policy towards unitary authorities over the last 30 years that's £1000. if you don't know who Max Caller and Bob Kerslake (just two examples, not an exclusive list) are and were, you probably won't understand it." Why bother responding to my initial request then, LOVE? Here you come with your 'superior knowledge', condescending tone and misogynistic language. If you don't want to enter into a genuine conversation between 2 supposed 'adults' then refrain  | |||
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"Can anyone tell me where I can find information on this pledge? I've checked pledgeprogress (someone on here keeps referring to it) but I can't find anything. You could read the WHite paper that was published yesterday - it's quite good fun in places. I can read the white paper which was produced a couple of days ago but that is new. I'm asking for information on this scheme prior to the election. I don't want to spoil your fun but what if it wasn't entirely in their manifesto? Page 40 is probably where you want to be looking though. Who the fuck wrote that? I can't make any sense of it. Maybe I'm just thick. Indeed. It is after all, just a manifesto. Like pre-nuptial agreements, it's usually better to read them before you make your decisions. Why are you suggesting I haven't read any manifestos. You appear to know a lot but add a little. You've been round in circles here and still haven't answered my original request. Can you help out with that?You seem to want me to do your research for you. Sorry love, I'd charge £75 an hour for that. If you want a bespoke paper on trends in DHCLG policy towards unitary authorities over the last 30 years that's £1000. if you don't know who Max Caller and Bob Kerslake (just two examples, not an exclusive list) are and were, you probably won't understand it. Why bother responding to my initial request then, LOVE? Here you come with your 'superior knowledge', condescending tone and misogynistic language. If you don't want to enter into a genuine conversation between 2 supposed 'adults' then refrain "I call everybody love - it's hardly misogynistic since I don't know your gender. As for the rest, well, you pays your money (or not) and you takes your choice. You're the one who complained they couldn't understand a political manifesto that's pretty ordinary and probably has an average reading age of around 15 or 16. | |||
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"Can anyone tell me where I can find information on this pledge? I've checked pledgeprogress (someone on here keeps referring to it) but I can't find anything. You could read the WHite paper that was published yesterday - it's quite good fun in places. I can read the white paper which was produced a couple of days ago but that is new. I'm asking for information on this scheme prior to the election. I don't want to spoil your fun but what if it wasn't entirely in their manifesto? Page 40 is probably where you want to be looking though. Who the fuck wrote that? I can't make any sense of it. Maybe I'm just thick. Indeed. It is after all, just a manifesto. Like pre-nuptial agreements, it's usually better to read them before you make your decisions. Why are you suggesting I haven't read any manifestos. You appear to know a lot but add a little. You've been round in circles here and still haven't answered my original request. Can you help out with that?You seem to want me to do your research for you. Sorry love, I'd charge £75 an hour for that. If you want a bespoke paper on trends in DHCLG policy towards unitary authorities over the last 30 years that's £1000. if you don't know who Max Caller and Bob Kerslake (just two examples, not an exclusive list) are and were, you probably won't understand it. Why bother responding to my initial request then, LOVE? Here you come with your 'superior knowledge', condescending tone and misogynistic language. If you don't want to enter into a genuine conversation between 2 supposed 'adults' then refrain
I call everybody love - it's hardly misogynistic since I don't know your gender. As for the rest, well, you pays your money (or not) and you takes your choice. You're the one who complained they couldn't understand a political manifesto that's pretty ordinary and probably has an average reading age of around 15 or 16."Love, isn't said between men, so I have to assume that you thought you were speaking to a female. And chose your tone to suit. A whitepaper isn't a manifesto. I read half of the first paragraph on page 40 which repeats itself, and then gave up, hence 'can't make sense'. | |||
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"Can you imagine Labour doing this if they were miles ahead in the polls ?! Yes… because regional devolution has been the plan for a long while It can work in certain specific situations… transport is probably one of the biggest For example the poster above, Caribbean king, might not like TFL for example, but they do a great job at joined up transport policy, London Underground, London overground, buses… joined up policy and pricing London has the power to do that regionally for example that no other city did… that is now being passed on…. Gmpte will start doing that for Manchester and surrounding, WYpte for Leeds/Sheffield and Yorkshire, nexus for the Newcastle/Sunderland which may be merge with Teesside to a greater north east region! The West Midlands has one.. the East Midlands will be getting one! Transport is just one… policing for example may be another… the local stuff will still be local, but anything that can be devolved from national to regional can’t be a bad thing If we have regional assemblies rather than parish and county councils, it makes for more joined up thinking and approachesIf the North east is anything to go by you'll end up with a regional mayor who is currently a second rate Labour apparatchik, a police and crime commissioner, currently a second rate Labour apparatchik, a unitary authority (Newcastle, Gateshead et al) run by the same people as usual, a fire and rescue authority (because the water fairies refuse to be regionalized) and, for most of the area, a parish council as well. Whatever else this is, it's not a reduction in the number of layers of local government." … and yet as of last Sunday blyth is attached back to the national rail network after 60 years without (I know the station isn’t quite open yet but will be jan/feb) with the reopening of the Newcastle to ashington line, which will be charging fares in line with nexus So regional planning can work.. | |||
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"Devolved power doesn't work ... see Birmingham council Spend 110 million bringing in a clean air zone that doesn't work, while the council goes bust." Croydon or Nottingham would have been better examples. Croydon bankrupted themselves by trying to become property investors and Notts by creating Robin Hood energy, the irony of the latter being they took from the poor to give to the rich. Birmingham’s issue was they chronically underpaid female staff for decades and were required to make good that difference in one go. That and they were just as incompetent as Croydon and Nottingham. | |||
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"Can you imagine Labour doing this if they were miles ahead in the polls ?! Yes… because regional devolution has been the plan for a long while It can work in certain specific situations… transport is probably one of the biggest For example the poster above, Caribbean king, might not like TFL for example, but they do a great job at joined up transport policy, London Underground, London overground, buses… joined up policy and pricing London has the power to do that regionally for example that no other city did… that is now being passed on…. Gmpte will start doing that for Manchester and surrounding, WYpte for Leeds/Sheffield and Yorkshire, nexus for the Newcastle/Sunderland which may be merge with Teesside to a greater north east region! The West Midlands has one.. the East Midlands will be getting one! Transport is just one… policing for example may be another… the local stuff will still be local, but anything that can be devolved from national to regional can’t be a bad thing If we have regional assemblies rather than parish and county councils, it makes for more joined up thinking and approaches I never said I didn't like TFL, I said the service could be better from the value we pay for it " I never said you didn’t like TfL, I was using them as an example of joined up regional policy can and does work… a lot of the lines they took over were a mess, now it’s thriving | |||
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