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"I didn't vote this election. however, people needed to see what labour's promises actually materialise into. One day we might actually have a government, that actually is financially and humanitarian savvy" | |||
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"We had that with the Conservatives" We had what with the conservatives? Fiscal responsibility? I didn't see much of that. Sound financial thinking? Nope. Austerity was a fucking stupid idea. Ethics and responsibility? That answers itself. Delivering on election promises. Fuck no. Savvy political thinking? Brexit, Liz Truss, and overflowing prisons answer some that. People gave them 14 years to make things better and we got endless cock ups and higher taxes. Labour have had 5 months. So please do share what we had that was so good with the conservatives? | |||
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"Did you vote for Starmer,do you regret doing so? " I didn't vote labour but I think we needed a change to kick the backsides of the Tories. I'm not convinced it's had the desired effect this far | |||
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"Let’s not forget the only reason we have Labour is because the tories were so fucking shit " Were the Tories that good? Haha Mrs x | |||
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"We had that with the Conservatives We had what with the conservatives? Fiscal responsibility? I didn't see much of that. Sound financial thinking? Nope. Austerity was a fucking stupid idea. Ethics and responsibility? That answers itself. Delivering on election promises. Fuck no. Savvy political thinking? Brexit, Liz Truss, and overflowing prisons answer some that. People gave them 14 years to make things better and we got endless cock ups and higher taxes. Labour have had 5 months. So please do share what we had that was so good with the conservatives? "Employment. Companies employed people ONS figers list the lowest number of people being hired. | |||
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"We needed a change of government yes but some you guys were wrong to vote for Labour who didn't have a clear plan. " I wasn't wrong to use my vote how I saw fit. | |||
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"I voted reform because I didn’t think starmer would be a good leader sad to say he’s worse than I thought he would be " However, given the setup of our first past the post system, a vote for Reform was actually a vote for Labour. | |||
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"I voted reform because I didn’t think starmer would be a good leader sad to say he’s worse than I thought he would be However, given the setup of our first past the post system, a vote for Reform was actually a vote for Labour." I know iv always voted labour in the past but couldn’t vote for starmer I think I could only vote for them again if they had a working class candidate someone northern would be a nice lol | |||
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"I voted reform because I didn’t think starmer would be a good leader sad to say he’s worse than I thought he would be " Reform have just appointed Nick Candy as treasurer A millionaire property developer with a history of HMRC tax avoidance court cases. | |||
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"We needed a change of government yes but some you guys were wrong to vote for Labour who didn't have a clear plan. I wasn't wrong to use my vote how I saw fit." Ok you tell that to the farmers who are protesting because of the more tax they having to pay, tell that to the pensioners who's winter fuel allowance is being taking away from them, tell that to the businesses who may have to cut jobs because of the increase in National Insurance and let me know what they say if they agree that you weren't wrong about your vote | |||
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"Just voted for the local representative and not a member. We need several years to find out how well they can manage to restore the country. " Indeed.  | |||
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"We needed a change of government yes but some you guys were wrong to vote for Labour who didn't have a clear plan. I wasn't wrong to use my vote how I saw fit. Ok you tell that to the farmers who are protesting because of the more tax they having to pay, tell that to the pensioners who's winter fuel allowance is being taking away from them, tell that to the businesses who may have to cut jobs because of the increase in National Insurance and let me know what they say if they agree that you weren't wrong about your vote" Nobody has to justify who they choose to vote for to anyone other than themselves. I never place my vote based on someone else’s considerations. | |||
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"We needed a change of government yes but some you guys were wrong to vote for Labour who didn't have a clear plan. I wasn't wrong to use my vote how I saw fit. Ok you tell that to the farmers who are protesting because of the more tax they having to pay, tell that to the pensioners who's winter fuel allowance is being taking away from them, tell that to the businesses who may have to cut jobs because of the increase in National Insurance and let me know what they say if they agree that you weren't wrong about your vote" Well firstly I'm not about to ask these people what they think, it's pretty obvious from the news coverage. As a pensioner who has lost their winter fuel allowance I accept that cuts need to be made. I still say I'm not wrong to use my vote as I see fit. It's called democracy and I don't need to defend my choice to you or anybody. | |||
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"We needed a change of government yes but some you guys were wrong to vote for Labour who didn't have a clear plan. I wasn't wrong to use my vote how I saw fit. Ok you tell that to the farmers who are protesting because of the more tax they having to pay, tell that to the pensioners who's winter fuel allowance is being taking away from them, tell that to the businesses who may have to cut jobs because of the increase in National Insurance and let me know what they say if they agree that you weren't wrong about your vote" It's called democracy.. You've spoken on these forums about overthrowing the current government by any means because you disagree with them which is fuck all to do with the system we have and not anywhere where you want to go.. Acting like a tinpot dictator in telling others who voted differently to you ( as we all do at any election) to do this, that and the other is not a good look .. In just over four and a half years you get another chance .. | |||
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"I voted reform because I didn’t think starmer would be a good leader sad to say he’s worse than I thought he would be Reform have just appointed Nick Candy as treasurer A millionaire property developer with a history of HMRC tax avoidance court cases. " I find it astonishing that anyone still takes Nigel Farage and his rebranded Brexit Party seriously. His solitary flagship policy to remove the U.K. from the EU was supposed to cut immigration and make us better off individually and collectively. To say that it has failed on those counts would be a mild understatement - the exact opposite has happened. Why would any intelligent person believe that this tiny group of millionaires and billionaires would be right about their next set of promises? | |||
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"Did you vote for Starmer,do you regret doing so? " lol you find it hard on fab for anyone to admit they voted for Labour. Strangely at the end of WW2 it was the same in finding any German that had voted for Hilter ? | |||
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"Did you vote for Starmer,do you regret doing so? lol you find it hard on fab for anyone to admit they voted for Labour. Strangely at the end of WW2 it was the same in finding any German that had voted for Hilter ?" I have stated that I voted Labour. It appears that some people don't like the fact that I exercised my right to a vote as I saw fit. 🤷♀️ | |||
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"I voted reform because I didn’t think starmer would be a good leader sad to say he’s worse than I thought he would be Reform have just appointed Nick Candy as treasurer A millionaire property developer with a history of HMRC tax avoidance court cases. I find it astonishing that anyone still takes Nigel Farage and his rebranded Brexit Party seriously. His solitary flagship policy to remove the U.K. from the EU was supposed to cut immigration and make us better off individually and collectively. To say that it has failed on those counts would be a mild understatement - the exact opposite has happened. Why would any intelligent person believe that this tiny group of millionaires and billionaires would be right about their next set of promises? " I know strange Reform are 2nd in the public popularity. | |||
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"Did you vote for Starmer,do you regret doing so? lol you find it hard on fab for anyone to admit they voted for Labour. Strangely at the end of WW2 it was the same in finding any German that had voted for Hilter ? I have stated that I voted Labour. It appears that some people don't like the fact that I exercised my right to a vote as I saw fit. 🤷♀️" Perhaps you should change your username name. Bit inappropriate. X | |||
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"Did you vote for Starmer,do you regret doing so? lol you find it hard on fab for anyone to admit they voted for Labour. Strangely at the end of WW2 it was the same in finding any German that had voted for Hilter ? I have stated that I voted Labour. It appears that some people don't like the fact that I exercised my right to a vote as I saw fit. 🤷♀️ Perhaps you should change your username name. Bit inappropriate. X" No, it's fine as it is. Probably not your cup of tea though so I'll leave you to enjoy fab. | |||
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"Did you vote for Starmer,do you regret doing so? lol you find it hard on fab for anyone to admit they voted for Labour. Strangely at the end of WW2 it was the same in finding any German that had voted for Hilter ?" As comparisons go that's pretty bizarre.. | |||
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"Did you vote for Starmer,do you regret doing so? lol you find it hard on fab for anyone to admit they voted for Labour. Strangely at the end of WW2 it was the same in finding any German that had voted for Hilter ?" I voted Labour, no regrets. I was fed up of the Conservatives running up debt on my credit card so they could offer Tax cuts to their rich supporters. I was tired of them directing government money directly into the accounts of wealthy businesses who immediately moved that money overseas where they got a higher return whilst the NHS, education, UK manufacturing and national infrastructure was in a downward death spiral. When Starmer starts a world war and kills 6 million Jews I will contemplate the comparison with Hitler. | |||
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"I voted Labour. " Ditto.. As I did in 97 but not the next two terms they held power.. Funny enough I voted to remain in 2016 and some of the very people who said then you lost get over it, it's the best thing for the country etc seems very against the idea of another referendum after eight years on that issue but are having hissy fits over not having another election after six months.. Nowt so funny as folk.. | |||
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"I voted Labour. " I couldn’t vote for Labour: as I don’t hate Jewish people and not ok for children being groomed. ;( | |||
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"I voted Labour because the Conservatives were a spent force. I don't regret it. I have lived long enough to know all politicians lie. The conservatives were given 14 years of fuck ups before they were voted out. Johnson and Truss for God's sake? Starmer was not even given 14 days before he was condemed. It is now essential that the world's democracies take some control of social media because bad actors and trolls pump out lies and disinformation in massive quantities to be soaked up by the unthinking masses. In this way hostile foreign governments can weaken countries and impose their own desired puppets as leaders. It is a lot cheaper and less damaging than wars. " Totally agree the Tories were a spent force. I would say not having a viable opposition for some of that time helped them stay in office. However they were (rightly) held to account for their cock ups. SKS is also receiving flack for his cock ups, it's just he managed to perform these cock ups from the very early days. | |||
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"First of all I'm not a tinpot dictator telling people how to vote, people can vote for whoever they want. My point is do you people who voted for Labour think it was sensible to vote for someone who wasn't really popular coming to the election in the first place then to go back on most of the policies that wasn't in the manifesto. On top of that Labour are in some opinion polls coming third behind Reform and Tories. Obviously I wasn't Labour to deliver results overnight but I'm afraid it looks bleak for them going forward but hey to to you Labour lovers and voters yes let's just ignore the facts and give them time to deliver " What have they gone back on? Please be specific. There is a great website called pledge progress that is independent and is covering every single pledge they made and is tracking implementation. People should have a look and actually see how they are doing an what they are prioritising beyond what their chosen media is funneling them. | |||
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"First of all I'm not a tinpot dictator telling people how to vote, people can vote for whoever they want. My point is do you people who voted for Labour think it was sensible to vote for someone who wasn't really popular coming to the election in the first place then to go back on most of the policies that wasn't in the manifesto. On top of that Labour are in some opinion polls coming third behind Reform and Tories. Obviously I wasn't Labour to deliver results overnight but I'm afraid it looks bleak for them going forward but hey to to you Labour lovers and voters yes let's just ignore the facts and give them time to deliver What have they gone back on? Please be specific. There is a great website called pledge progress that is independent and is covering every single pledge they made and is tracking implementation. People should have a look and actually see how they are doing an what they are prioritising beyond what their chosen media is funneling them. " You really asking that ok here's one - Remember when Labour pledged not to raise taxes on working people, they’ve imposed a £25 billion tax hike by raising National Insurance, pushing the tax burden to an unprecedented level in the nation’s history. The Office Of Budget Responsibility say 76% of the NI hike will come out of workers' wages. So not only is that bad for business, it's bad for workers and bad for growth. | |||
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"Also, despite promising not to increase borrowing, Labour has and will raise borrowing by billions each year of this Parliament. According to the OBR this will drive up inflation and mortgage rates, impacting working families. I can continue if you want?" Where does money for Government spending on The Police, education and judicial system (for example) come from and where will reform get the money from for their pledges to increase even further their spending on the police, education and the judicial system? | |||
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"Also, despite promising not to increase borrowing, Labour has and will raise borrowing by billions each year of this Parliament. According to the OBR this will drive up inflation and mortgage rates, impacting working families. I can continue if you want? Where does money for Government spending on The Police, education and judicial system (for example) come from and where will reform get the money from for their pledges to increase even further their spending on the police, education and the judicial system?" Reform would get the money to fund what you mentioned by cutting the billions of aid that we give away to.other countries | |||
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"Seems to me that some people in here are ignoring the fact that since the budget was announced that most businesses are saying they're not looking to hire new staff and most of them are looking to cut staff numbers they have already. So with this in mind how are the government gonna raise the tax revenues they want?" Vox pops in the right wing press are not necessarily good barometers for anything but lefty bashing. Businesses aren’t going to close down because of the NI (or min wage) hike. The only ones that do will be the ones spiralling the drain already, and looking for a convenient excuse. If a business needs more staff, they will hire more staff. Any competently run businesses takes into account all overheads. Most big businesses are quite happy to use employees annual (or longer) intervals between pay reviews to act as a buffer against other faster changing costs. NI is an unavoidable levy, and any business will have it in the loss column, offset against their profits and thus their bottom line of taxation. However, unlike the directors’ company Jag, the “Consultants fees” paid to cronies, and all the other “deductibles” that creative accounting take account of, this money will go to the exchequer. | |||
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"Some of you have short term memories 14 years of the Tories who don't care about you unless your wealthy. Austerity cutting every single department to the bone sacking 20.000 police officers selling off police stations are we any better off? No of course not. Remember covid contracts going to torie friends.judge labour at the next election if they fail to improve kick them out." The austerity measures were a response to the UK's awful financial situation, inherited from the outgoing labour government. I hope we do not end up there again... | |||
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"Some of you have short term memories 14 years of the Tories who don't care about you unless your wealthy. Austerity cutting every single department to the bone sacking 20.000 police officers selling off police stations are we any better off? No of course not. Remember covid contracts going to torie friends.judge labour at the next election if they fail to improve kick them out. The austerity measures were a response to the UK's awful financial situation, inherited from the outgoing labour government. I hope we do not end up there again..." You have conveniently forgotten the global financial crisis of 2008 brought about by the cavalier marketing of sub-prime bonds. The Conservative government introduced austerity to try and deal with that mere 2 years after it started. Not because of Labour Party mismanagement of the finances. | |||
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"Some of you have short term memories 14 years of the Tories who don't care about you unless your wealthy. Austerity cutting every single department to the bone sacking 20.000 police officers selling off police stations are we any better off? No of course not. Remember covid contracts going to torie friends.judge labour at the next election if they fail to improve kick them out." National debt trebled too £878bn 2010 £2,591bn 2024. | |||
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"Some of you have short term memories 14 years of the Tories who don't care about you unless your wealthy. Austerity cutting every single department to the bone sacking 20.000 police officers selling off police stations are we any better off? No of course not. Remember covid contracts going to torie friends.judge labour at the next election if they fail to improve kick them out. The austerity measures were a response to the UK's awful financial situation, inherited from the outgoing labour government. I hope we do not end up there again... You have conveniently forgotten the global financial crisis of 2008 brought about by the cavalier marketing of sub-prime bonds. The Conservative government introduced austerity to try and deal with that mere 2 years after it started. Not because of Labour Party mismanagement of the finances. " The government paid out £137 billion in loans and new capital to banks between 2007 and 2009. The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) estimated that the cost was £23 billion at the end of 2018. As of October 2021, the OBR reported the cost as £33 billion. In addition; Guarantees The government also provided financial guarantees to banks, which are promises to repay investors if they lose money. The National Audit Office (NAO) estimated that the total guarantees reached over £1 trillion at their peak. The government's interventions to support the banking sector were intended to stabilize the financial system and boost the economy after the crash. The Bank of England also lowered interest rates to unprecedented levels, from 5.5% in 2007 to 0.5% in 2009. I’m still unsure, after austerity, how they ended up trebling the national debt as well | |||
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"Also, despite promising not to increase borrowing, Labour has and will raise borrowing by billions each year of this Parliament. According to the OBR this will drive up inflation and mortgage rates, impacting working families. I can continue if you want? Where does money for Government spending on The Police, education and judicial system (for example) come from and where will reform get the money from for their pledges to increase even further their spending on the police, education and the judicial system? Reform would get the money to fund what you mentioned by cutting the billions of aid that we give away to.other countries " No surprise that Reform think that foreign aid is just a zero sum gift. A lack of critical thinking is the very epitome of the former Brexit (now reform) ideology. Foreign Aid is not just about giving and getting nothing in return - sure we help people who have nothing achieve luxuries like running water and medicines to stop them dying from preventable diseases. Foreign Aid also buys soft power and influence and is very much an arm of British foreign policy. Helping people out of poverty and supporting infrastructures overseas often results in British companies and British technologies getting a g Foothold in emerging markets. Why therefore is it no surprise that Reform can’t see beyond foreign aid being about giving money to poor foreigners? Perhaps the Reform elites do? But they push the narrative that is more easily digested by many of their hard of thinking disciples. | |||
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"Also, despite promising not to increase borrowing, Labour has and will raise borrowing by billions each year of this Parliament. According to the OBR this will drive up inflation and mortgage rates, impacting working families. I can continue if you want? Where does money for Government spending on The Police, education and judicial system (for example) come from and where will reform get the money from for their pledges to increase even further their spending on the police, education and the judicial system? Reform would get the money to fund what you mentioned by cutting the billions of aid that we give away to.other countries No surprise that Reform think that foreign aid is just a zero sum gift. A lack of critical thinking is the very epitome of the former Brexit (now reform) ideology. Foreign Aid is not just about giving and getting nothing in return - sure we help people who have nothing achieve luxuries like running water and medicines to stop them dying from preventable diseases. Foreign Aid also buys soft power and influence and is very much an arm of British foreign policy. Helping people out of poverty and supporting infrastructures overseas often results in British companies and British technologies getting a g Foothold in emerging markets. Why therefore is it no surprise that Reform can’t see beyond foreign aid being about giving money to poor foreigners? Perhaps the Reform elites do? But they push the narrative that is more easily digested by many of their hard of thinking disciples." tell that to the elderly who have to choose whether to heat or eat or the homeless here east for you with you having million pound buissness | |||
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"tell that to the elderly who have to choose whether to heat or eat " In 1977 my mum bought a house for £25k. It is now worth half a million | |||
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"Some of you have short term memories 14 years of the Tories who don't care about you unless your wealthy. Austerity cutting every single department to the bone sacking 20.000 police officers selling off police stations are we any better off? No of course not. Remember covid contracts going to torie friends.judge labour at the next election if they fail to improve kick them out. The austerity measures were a response to the UK's awful financial situation, inherited from the outgoing labour government. I hope we do not end up there again..." You forgot to mention the global banking crash.. To not bail out in loans (most of which was paid back) the banking sector would have been potentially catastrophic .. | |||
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"Some of you have short term memories 14 years of the Tories who don't care about you unless your wealthy. Austerity cutting every single department to the bone sacking 20.000 police officers selling off police stations are we any better off? No of course not. Remember covid contracts going to torie friends.judge labour at the next election if they fail to improve kick them out. The austerity measures were a response to the UK's awful financial situation, inherited from the outgoing labour government. I hope we do not end up there again... You forgot to mention the global banking crash.. To not bail out in loans (most of which was paid back) the banking sector would have been potentially catastrophic .. " Some credit due to Gordon Brown, his forbearance policies agreed with mortgage lenders prevented Armageddon, those policies were recognised across the globe and copied by some other countries exposed to sub prime bonds The influential American economist Paul Krugman praised the then Labour government for taking the lead in the worldwide rescue effort, writing that 'this combination of clarity and decisiveness hasn't been matched by any other Western government, least of all our own. | |||
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"Some of you have short term memories 14 years of the Tories who don't care about you unless your wealthy. Austerity cutting every single department to the bone sacking 20.000 police officers selling off police stations are we any better off? No of course not. Remember covid contracts going to torie friends.judge labour at the next election if they fail to improve kick them out. The austerity measures were a response to the UK's awful financial situation, inherited from the outgoing labour government. I hope we do not end up there again... You forgot to mention the global banking crash.. To not bail out in loans (most of which was paid back) the banking sector would have been potentially catastrophic .. Some credit due to Gordon Brown, his forbearance policies agreed with mortgage lenders prevented Armageddon, those policies were recognised across the globe and copied by some other countries exposed to sub prime bonds The influential American economist Paul Krugman praised the then Labour government for taking the lead in the worldwide rescue effort, writing that 'this combination of clarity and decisiveness hasn't been matched by any other Western government, least of all our own." It's almost become a none event for some ..
Yes labour made some mistakes after taking office which led to part of the issues ten years later but for anyone to ignore what led to the banking bail out is odd..
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"Some of you have short term memories 14 years of the Tories who don't care about you unless your wealthy. Austerity cutting every single department to the bone sacking 20.000 police officers selling off police stations are we any better off? No of course not. Remember covid contracts going to torie friends.judge labour at the next election if they fail to improve kick them out. The austerity measures were a response to the UK's awful financial situation, inherited from the outgoing labour government. I hope we do not end up there again... You forgot to mention the global banking crash.. To not bail out in loans (most of which was paid back) the banking sector would have been potentially catastrophic .. Some credit due to Gordon Brown, his forbearance policies agreed with mortgage lenders prevented Armageddon, those policies were recognised across the globe and copied by some other countries exposed to sub prime bonds The influential American economist Paul Krugman praised the then Labour government for taking the lead in the worldwide rescue effort, writing that 'this combination of clarity and decisiveness hasn't been matched by any other Western government, least of all our own. It's almost become a none event for some ..
Yes labour made some mistakes after taking office which led to part of the issues ten years later but for anyone to ignore what led to the banking bail out is odd..
Or mischievous.."In today’s guardian a piece on Reeves proposed financial deregulation, that post credit crunch credit policies ‘a step too far’ she says. 50 economists have apparently written to her to explain why she is wrong. | |||
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"tell that to the elderly who have to choose whether to heat or eat In 1977 my mum bought a house for £25k. It is now worth half a million " Reported that £2.6trn of the UK’s £9trn housing wealth is controlled by the over 65’s. (Savills research) 80% of over 65s are owner occupiers (76% 2010) I’m not sure what this means, other than a statement of fact. | |||
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"Also, despite promising not to increase borrowing, Labour has and will raise borrowing by billions each year of this Parliament. According to the OBR this will drive up inflation and mortgage rates, impacting working families. I can continue if you want? Where does money for Government spending on The Police, education and judicial system (for example) come from and where will reform get the money from for their pledges to increase even further their spending on the police, education and the judicial system? Reform would get the money to fund what you mentioned by cutting the billions of aid that we give away to.other countries No surprise that Reform think that foreign aid is just a zero sum gift. A lack of critical thinking is the very epitome of the former Brexit (now reform) ideology. Foreign Aid is not just about giving and getting nothing in return - sure we help people who have nothing achieve luxuries like running water and medicines to stop them dying from preventable diseases. Foreign Aid also buys soft power and influence and is very much an arm of British foreign policy. Helping people out of poverty and supporting infrastructures overseas often results in British companies and British technologies getting a g Foothold in emerging markets. Why therefore is it no surprise that Reform can’t see beyond foreign aid being about giving money to poor foreigners? Perhaps the Reform elites do? But they push the narrative that is more easily digested by many of their hard of thinking disciples." You do know that charity starts from home, so before we can look after everybody else in the world we have to look after your own people first | |||
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"Also, despite promising not to increase borrowing, Labour has and will raise borrowing by billions each year of this Parliament. According to the OBR this will drive up inflation and mortgage rates, impacting working families. I can continue if you want? Where does money for Government spending on The Police, education and judicial system (for example) come from and where will reform get the money from for their pledges to increase even further their spending on the police, education and the judicial system? Reform would get the money to fund what you mentioned by cutting the billions of aid that we give away to.other countries No surprise that Reform think that foreign aid is just a zero sum gift. A lack of critical thinking is the very epitome of the former Brexit (now reform) ideology. Foreign Aid is not just about giving and getting nothing in return - sure we help people who have nothing achieve luxuries like running water and medicines to stop them dying from preventable diseases. Foreign Aid also buys soft power and influence and is very much an arm of British foreign policy. Helping people out of poverty and supporting infrastructures overseas often results in British companies and British technologies getting a g Foothold in emerging markets. Why therefore is it no surprise that Reform can’t see beyond foreign aid being about giving money to poor foreigners? Perhaps the Reform elites do? But they push the narrative that is more easily digested by many of their hard of thinking disciples. You do know that charity starts from home, so before we can look after everybody else in the world we have to look after your own people first" Yes, we have all seen the meme about that. As I said earlier it is never a binary choice. You are deluded if you think that saving money in one domain will help fund another domain. Remember the meme about spending £350 million on the NHS instead of sending it to the EU? We all now know that Brexit is costing us £40 billion a year and so instead of thinking that foreign aid is also a zero sum outcome, try thinking what the U.K. as a whole gets out of foreign aid. The reason that it has been existence for generations is because it is good for the UK. | |||
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"Also, despite promising not to increase borrowing, Labour has and will raise borrowing by billions each year of this Parliament. According to the OBR this will drive up inflation and mortgage rates, impacting working families. I can continue if you want? Where does money for Government spending on The Police, education and judicial system (for example) come from and where will reform get the money from for their pledges to increase even further their spending on the police, education and the judicial system? Reform would get the money to fund what you mentioned by cutting the billions of aid that we give away to.other countries No surprise that Reform think that foreign aid is just a zero sum gift. A lack of critical thinking is the very epitome of the former Brexit (now reform) ideology. Foreign Aid is not just about giving and getting nothing in return - sure we help people who have nothing achieve luxuries like running water and medicines to stop them dying from preventable diseases. Foreign Aid also buys soft power and influence and is very much an arm of British foreign policy. Helping people out of poverty and supporting infrastructures overseas often results in British companies and British technologies getting a g Foothold in emerging markets. Why therefore is it no surprise that Reform can’t see beyond foreign aid being about giving money to poor foreigners? Perhaps the Reform elites do? But they push the narrative that is more easily digested by many of their hard of thinking disciples. You do know that charity starts from home, so before we can look after everybody else in the world we have to look after your own people first Yes, we have all seen the meme about that. As I said earlier it is never a binary choice. You are deluded if you think that saving money in one domain will help fund another domain. Remember the meme about spending £350 million on the NHS instead of sending it to the EU? We all now know that Brexit is costing us £40 billion a year and so instead of thinking that foreign aid is also a zero sum outcome, try thinking what the U.K. as a whole gets out of foreign aid. The reason that it has been existence for generations is because it is good for the UK." there’s zero proof that we get back what we dish out never as been it’s a nice idea but that’s all it is fact is ppl are hungry and cold here now tday but it’s a feel good factor saying we will send billions overseas to pay for there hungry and cold you wouldn’t feed yr friends kids while yr own went hungry | |||
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"Also, despite promising not to increase borrowing, Labour has and will raise borrowing by billions each year of this Parliament. According to the OBR this will drive up inflation and mortgage rates, impacting working families. I can continue if you want? Where does money for Government spending on The Police, education and judicial system (for example) come from and where will reform get the money from for their pledges to increase even further their spending on the police, education and the judicial system? Reform would get the money to fund what you mentioned by cutting the billions of aid that we give away to.other countries No surprise that Reform think that foreign aid is just a zero sum gift. A lack of critical thinking is the very epitome of the former Brexit (now reform) ideology. Foreign Aid is not just about giving and getting nothing in return - sure we help people who have nothing achieve luxuries like running water and medicines to stop them dying from preventable diseases. Foreign Aid also buys soft power and influence and is very much an arm of British foreign policy. Helping people out of poverty and supporting infrastructures overseas often results in British companies and British technologies getting a g Foothold in emerging markets. Why therefore is it no surprise that Reform can’t see beyond foreign aid being about giving money to poor foreigners? Perhaps the Reform elites do? But they push the narrative that is more easily digested by many of their hard of thinking disciples. You do know that charity starts from home, so before we can look after everybody else in the world we have to look after your own people first Yes, we have all seen the meme about that. As I said earlier it is never a binary choice. You are deluded if you think that saving money in one domain will help fund another domain. Remember the meme about spending £350 million on the NHS instead of sending it to the EU? We all now know that Brexit is costing us £40 billion a year and so instead of thinking that foreign aid is also a zero sum outcome, try thinking what the U.K. as a whole gets out of foreign aid. The reason that it has been existence for generations is because it is good for the UK." that's just one of the things that we can save money from, the other one is these crazy green schemes Labour want to implement like wind farms, heat pumps, LTNs etc | |||
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"Also, despite promising not to increase borrowing, Labour has and will raise borrowing by billions each year of this Parliament. According to the OBR this will drive up inflation and mortgage rates, impacting working families. I can continue if you want? Where does money for Government spending on The Police, education and judicial system (for example) come from and where will reform get the money from for their pledges to increase even further their spending on the police, education and the judicial system? Reform would get the money to fund what you mentioned by cutting the billions of aid that we give away to.other countries No surprise that Reform think that foreign aid is just a zero sum gift. A lack of critical thinking is the very epitome of the former Brexit (now reform) ideology. Foreign Aid is not just about giving and getting nothing in return - sure we help people who have nothing achieve luxuries like running water and medicines to stop them dying from preventable diseases. Foreign Aid also buys soft power and influence and is very much an arm of British foreign policy. Helping people out of poverty and supporting infrastructures overseas often results in British companies and British technologies getting a g Foothold in emerging markets. Why therefore is it no surprise that Reform can’t see beyond foreign aid being about giving money to poor foreigners? Perhaps the Reform elites do? But they push the narrative that is more easily digested by many of their hard of thinking disciples. You do know that charity starts from home, so before we can look after everybody else in the world we have to look after your own people first Yes, we have all seen the meme about that. As I said earlier it is never a binary choice. You are deluded if you think that saving money in one domain will help fund another domain. Remember the meme about spending £350 million on the NHS instead of sending it to the EU? We all now know that Brexit is costing us £40 billion a year and so instead of thinking that foreign aid is also a zero sum outcome, try thinking what the U.K. as a whole gets out of foreign aid. The reason that it has been existence for generations is because it is good for the UK. that's just one of the things that we can save money from, the other one is these crazy green schemes Labour want to implement like wind farms, heat pumps, LTNs etc" couldn’t agree more | |||
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