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By *eoBlooms OP   Man
3 days ago

Springfield

A new report highlights growing antisemitism towards Jewish staff in the NHS.

At Oxford University in a debate on Gaza a large part of the audience booed when the October 7th attacks were described as terrorism.

It's been said that antisemitism is an early warning sign of a society's decline and disorder.

Jewish or not, how worried should we be by the rise of this ancient hatred?

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By *ortyairCouple
3 days ago

Wallasey

Very, just like we should about all forms of racism, Mrs x

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
3 days ago

in Lancashire

All racism and discrimination for others has never gone away and never will, 'civilised society's' keep it under control to a degree and present the opportunity to live together with tolerance and respect etc and if some are open to break down barriers which some hate..

But it seems inherent in some so it's always going to be with us..

But

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
3 days ago

BRIDPORT

The inability to tolerate opposing views is not good, whether that be religious based or any other.

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By *hristov9999Man
3 days ago

liverpool south

I think people who call out jewish people are wrong as the issue quite clearly is zionism.

Zionism is moving Israels agenda faster than anyone could of expected. You do not have to be jewish to be a zionist . People tend to see a jew and think they are part of the genocide that is going on in the middle east. I have been on marches with plenty of jewish people who are against what Israel has been doing.

I cannot see a peaceful end. The end will only happen once the right wing zionist israel govt has exterminated all arabs in the middle east. There is so much more that can be said. It is sad and humanities future hangs in the balance. Anyway happy fabbing.lol

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By *idnight RamblerMan
3 days ago

Pershore

It's undesirable, but hardly surprising given the daily images we see of suffering in Gaza. All too often any criticism of Israel is denounced as antisemitism. It's a Get Out OF Jail card that is past it's Sell By date.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
3 days ago

couple, us we him her.

It's far more complicated as we all know.

If someone disagrees with how the Israeli government are tackling the issue regarding the conflict.

It doesn't automatically make them antisemitic.

It's important to remember we are all humans first before colour or religion our blood is the same colour.

But yes I agree that attacking people who are Jewish and just because they are Jewish is ignorant and should be stopped.

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By *otMe66Man
3 days ago

Terra Firma

I'm shocked we need a report to tell us this.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
3 days ago

couple, us we him her.

Excuse my ignorance.

But how would someone know if an NHS worker is Jewish?

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By *ortyairCouple
3 days ago

Wallasey


"I think people who call out jewish people are wrong as the issue quite clearly is zionism.

Zionism is moving Israels agenda faster than anyone could of expected. You do not have to be jewish to be a zionist . People tend to see a jew and think they are part of the genocide that is going on in the middle east. I have been on marches with plenty of jewish people who are against what Israel has been doing.

I cannot see a peaceful end. The end will only happen once the right wing zionist israel govt has exterminated all arabs in the middle east. There is so much more that can be said. It is sad and humanities future hangs in the balance. Anyway happy fabbing.lol"

Not sure you realise it but you are not correct about Zionism.

Zionism started as a movement for Jews to return to their historical homeland. It has over a large period of time been used as name to cover a variety of various subsets of Jews,some with different mindsets and objectives, including violence.

But you assertion that the problem is Zionism and that they won't stop until "the right wing zionist israel govt has exterminated all arabs in the middle east." Is wildly inaccurate.

Firstly they don't want to exterminate all Arabs, there's 2 million Palestinians living peacefully in Israel, almost tge exact same number as living in Gaza. Some are even members of this government you accuse of extermination. So that's just wrong, they do want to exterminate the Islamic terrorist threat to their country but not all Arabs.

Secondly by saying this about Zionism you are ignoring the fact that any Jew who believes in the right for Israel to exist has Zionist beliefs because Zionism is fundamentally a belief in the right for a Jewish homeland for the Jewish people, it wasn't born with violent intent.

To conflate the two would be like me saying all Muslims are suicide bombing, plane crashing, baby burning terrorists, when they clearly aren't.

Comments about Zionism, voiced in such a way can be quite easily be seen as antisemitic and should be avoided from rational discussions.

Mrs x

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By *eoBlooms OP   Man
3 days ago

Springfield


"Excuse my ignorance.

But how would someone know if an NHS worker is Jewish?"

Not ignorant at all and a fair question with, I guess, multiple answers.

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By *eoBlooms OP   Man
3 days ago

Springfield

"People tend to see a jew and think they are part of the genocide that is going on in the middle east"

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By *melie LALWoman
3 days ago

Peterborough


"A new report highlights growing antisemitism towards Jewish staff in the NHS.

At Oxford University in a debate on Gaza a large part of the audience booed when the October 7th attacks were described as terrorism.

It's been said that antisemitism is an early warning sign of a society's decline and disorder.

Jewish or not, how worried should we be by the rise of this ancient hatred?"

What is the correlation between a debate at a university and antisemitism in the nhs?

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By *ortyairCouple
3 days ago

Wallasey


""People tend to see a jew and think they are part of the genocide that is going on in the middle east"

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And another poster says "It's undesirable, but hardly surprising given the daily images we see of suffering in Gaza." This in a post about antisemitism and not the war in Gaza. And even if it were there's no mention of this government viwing to protect another group of people, the Kurds, against another terrorist regime in Syria.

So it's hardly surprising because all Jews must be the same, the same as those concerned with Gaza. But I thought 'lumping' all people together because of looks or religion was seen as racist, maybe I'm wrong. But using a conflict and only judging, and commentating on one side, whilst ignoring atrocities on the other side is racist and in this case antisemitic. Then for the poster to say it's a Get out of Jail card only compounds it.

It's attitudes and comments like this that allows others to be bold in their own racist views and is one reason for the rise in antisemitism.

Mrs x

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By *ortyairCouple
3 days ago

Wallasey


"A new report highlights growing antisemitism towards Jewish staff in the NHS.

At Oxford University in a debate on Gaza a large part of the audience booed when the October 7th attacks were described as terrorism.

It's been said that antisemitism is an early warning sign of a society's decline and disorder.

Jewish or not, how worried should we be by the rise of this ancient hatred?

What is the correlation between a debate at a university and antisemitism in the nhs?"

Don't think he said there was, think he was just using the debate as a recent example of this rise. Mrs x

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By *AJMLKTV/TS
3 days ago

Burley


"Excuse my ignorance.

But how would someone know if an NHS worker is Jewish?"

Three reasons come to mind - Jewish men wear a kippah, and depending upon their level of orthodoxy, sometimes all the time, some just before the Sabbath and on special days in the Jewish calendar. Many, female and male, wear a Star of David on a chain, like Christians wear the cross. Many names are typically Jewish - Abraham, Esther etc are very popular and NHS staff have to wear name badges.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
3 days ago

Pershore


""People tend to see a jew and think they are part of the genocide that is going on in the middle east"

And another poster says "It's undesirable, but hardly surprising given the daily images we see of suffering in Gaza." This in a post about antisemitism and not the war in Gaza. And even if it were there's no mention of this government viwing to protect another group of people, the Kurds, against another terrorist regime in Syria.

So it's hardly surprising because all Jews must be the same, the same as those concerned with Gaza. But I thought 'lumping' all people together because of looks or religion was seen as racist, maybe I'm wrong. But using a conflict and only judging, and commentating on one side, whilst ignoring atrocities on the other side is racist and in this case antisemitic. Then for the poster to say it's a Get out of Jail card only compounds it.

It's attitudes and comments like this that allows others to be bold in their own racist views and is one reason for the rise in antisemitism.

Mrs x"

Playing the racist card eh? Yes, that usually happens when the 'antisemitism' card is called-out. The post your refer to is clear enough in it's meaning despite you only quoting part of it. Look Israel is a unique state created as a homeland for the Jewish people. So it's hardly surprising if Jewish people are tarred with the (mis)deeds of their state. For too long Israel has ducked accountability by screaming 'antisemitism' when anybody looks in their direction. When the world takes stock of what's happened in Gaza, that option will disappear for good.

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By *ortyairCouple
3 days ago

Wallasey


""People tend to see a jew and think they are part of the genocide that is going on in the middle east"

And another poster says "It's undesirable, but hardly surprising given the daily images we see of suffering in Gaza." This in a post about antisemitism and not the war in Gaza. And even if it were there's no mention of this government viwing to protect another group of people, the Kurds, against another terrorist regime in Syria.

So it's hardly surprising because all Jews must be the same, the same as those concerned with Gaza. But I thought 'lumping' all people together because of looks or religion was seen as racist, maybe I'm wrong. But using a conflict and only judging, and commentating on one side, whilst ignoring atrocities on the other side is racist and in this case antisemitic. Then for the poster to say it's a Get out of Jail card only compounds it.

It's attitudes and comments like this that allows others to be bold in their own racist views and is one reason for the rise in antisemitism.

Mrs x

Playing the racist card eh? Yes, that usually happens when the 'antisemitism' card is called-out. The post your refer to is clear enough in it's meaning despite you only quoting part of it. Look Israel is a unique state created as a homeland for the Jewish people. So it's hardly surprising if Jewish people are tarred with the (mis)deeds of their state. For too long Israel has ducked accountability by screaming 'antisemitism' when anybody looks in their direction. When the world takes stock of what's happened in Gaza, that option will disappear for good."

Not sure if you even realise your comments are antisemitic. You are justifying the rise in antisemitism because of your views of a conflict, so its understandable because of the misdeeds of a state, is that what you are saying? This conflict is taking place thousands of miles away from the UK, what has it got to do with British Jews?

It's like someone saying you can understand the rise in Islamaphobia in the UK because of what's happening in Yemen, Syria or Iran.

It's not a justification, it's just a commentary on some of your own views about Jews. Racism cannot be justified, ever, if that was understandable it might just help with the issue.

Mrs x

Mrs x

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By *idnight RamblerMan
3 days ago

Pershore


""People tend to see a jew and think they are part of the genocide that is going on in the middle east"

And another poster says "It's undesirable, but hardly surprising given the daily images we see of suffering in Gaza." This in a post about antisemitism and not the war in Gaza. And even if it were there's no mention of this government viwing to protect another group of people, the Kurds, against another terrorist regime in Syria.

So it's hardly surprising because all Jews must be the same, the same as those concerned with Gaza. But I thought 'lumping' all people together because of looks or religion was seen as racist, maybe I'm wrong. But using a conflict and only judging, and commentating on one side, whilst ignoring atrocities on the other side is racist and in this case antisemitic. Then for the poster to say it's a Get out of Jail card only compounds it.

It's attitudes and comments like this that allows others to be bold in their own racist views and is one reason for the rise in antisemitism.

Mrs x

Playing the racist card eh? Yes, that usually happens when the 'antisemitism' card is called-out. The post your refer to is clear enough in it's meaning despite you only quoting part of it. Look Israel is a unique state created as a homeland for the Jewish people. So it's hardly surprising if Jewish people are tarred with the (mis)deeds of their state. For too long Israel has ducked accountability by screaming 'antisemitism' when anybody looks in their direction. When the world takes stock of what's happened in Gaza, that option will disappear for good.Not sure if you even realise your comments are antisemitic. You are justifying the rise in antisemitism because of your views of a conflict, so its understandable because of the misdeeds of a state, is that what you are saying? This conflict is taking place thousands of miles away from the UK, what has it got to do with British Jews?

It's like someone saying you can understand the rise in Islamaphobia in the UK because of what's happening in Yemen, Syria or Iran.

It's not a justification, it's just a commentary on some of your own views about Jews. Racism cannot be justified, ever, if that was understandable it might just help with the issue.

Mrs x

Mrs x"

On the contrary, you could be considered the racist by not letting Palestinians have a fair and reasonable hearing, and silencing their voices behind a cloak of 'antisemitism'. I see nothing wrong in sending a clear message to Jewish people that their state is acting unacceptably in their name. To be clear, I mean actions within the law at all times.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
3 days ago

Border of London


"I see nothing wrong in sending a clear message to Jewish people that their state is acting unacceptably in their name."

You're taking about sending a message to the Jewish people outside of Israel, right? In this instance, what message and how?

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
3 days ago

Border of London

The antisemitism isn't new. It has always been there, whether in Europe or the Middle East. What changes every few decades is the justification, the acceptability and the associated Overton Window.

In twenty years, it will be space lasers and weather control.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
3 days ago

Pershore


"I see nothing wrong in sending a clear message to Jewish people that their state is acting unacceptably in their name.

You're taking about sending a message to the Jewish people outside of Israel, right? In this instance, what message and how?"

Yes I am. Jewish people not resident in Israel commonly have strong links to their Jewish homeland, some with dual passports and many serving in the Israeli military. If Israel's actions are unacceptable or step-over the mark, what's wrong with telling them? Otherwise, it's a blank cheque to ignore the international community, which has been the situation for far too long and why we have such a toxic situation in the ME.

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By *ortyairCouple
3 days ago

Wallasey


""People tend to see a jew and think they are part of the genocide that is going on in the middle east"

And another poster says "It's undesirable, but hardly surprising given the daily images we see of suffering in Gaza." This in a post about antisemitism and not the war in Gaza. And even if it were there's no mention of this government viwing to protect another group of people, the Kurds, against another terrorist regime in Syria.

So it's hardly surprising because all Jews must be the same, the same as those concerned with Gaza. But I thought 'lumping' all people together because of looks or religion was seen as racist, maybe I'm wrong. But using a conflict and only judging, and commentating on one side, whilst ignoring atrocities on the other side is racist and in this case antisemitic. Then for the poster to say it's a Get out of Jail card only compounds it.

It's attitudes and comments like this that allows others to be bold in their own racist views and is one reason for the rise in antisemitism.

Mrs x

Playing the racist card eh? Yes, that usually happens when the 'antisemitism' card is called-out. The post your refer to is clear enough in it's meaning despite you only quoting part of it. Look Israel is a unique state created as a homeland for the Jewish people. So it's hardly surprising if Jewish people are tarred with the (mis)deeds of their state. For too long Israel has ducked accountability by screaming 'antisemitism' when anybody looks in their direction. When the world takes stock of what's happened in Gaza, that option will disappear for good.Not sure if you even realise your comments are antisemitic. You are justifying the rise in antisemitism because of your views of a conflict, so its understandable because of the misdeeds of a state, is that what you are saying? This conflict is taking place thousands of miles away from the UK, what has it got to do with British Jews?

It's like someone saying you can understand the rise in Islamaphobia in the UK because of what's happening in Yemen, Syria or Iran.

It's not a justification, it's just a commentary on some of your own views about Jews. Racism cannot be justified, ever, if that was understandable it might just help with the issue.

Mrs x

Mrs x

On the contrary, you could be considered the racist by not letting Palestinians have a fair and reasonable hearing, and silencing their voices behind a cloak of 'antisemitism'. I see nothing wrong in sending a clear message to Jewish people that their state is acting unacceptably in their name. To be clear, I mean actions within the law at all times. "

So i could be a racist by not letting Palestinians have a fair and reasonable hearing and im silencing them behind a closk of 'antisemitism'. Not sure if i agree or not with you because not sure i understand what your saying. After reading it im not sure you understand what you are saying either.

So exactly how am i doing anything to anyone to silence them or not give them a hearing or a voice?

How am I being racist to Palestinians, when I have never commented on them as a group of people in an objectively racist way? I have called out all Islamic yerror groups, Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis to name a few. That's not racist I'm just calling out terrorism for the evil it is.

Lastly what's this 'cloak of antisemitism' you talk of?

If Palestinians don't have a fair and reasonable hearing, can you answer this. Why is it over 2 million of them live peacefully within Israel, they even form part of the government and the Supreme Court? Doesn't seem a terribly good tactic to silence a group of people you are supposedly opposed to,maybe they aren't opposed to Palestinians, just Islamic terrorists. Can you answer this for me, nobody seems to like looking at this particular fact.

Mrs x

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By *ortyairCouple
3 days ago

Wallasey


"I see nothing wrong in sending a clear message to Jewish people that their state is acting unacceptably in their name.

You're taking about sending a message to the Jewish people outside of Israel, right? In this instance, what message and how?

Yes I am. Jewish people not resident in Israel commonly have strong links to their Jewish homeland, some with dual passports and many serving in the Israeli military. If Israel's actions are unacceptable or step-over the mark, what's wrong with telling them? Otherwise, it's a blank cheque to ignore the international community, which has been the situation for far too long and why we have such a toxic situation in the ME."

So you cannot go to war after an act like 7th October? If that amount of people were killed on the UK by a terror group, in one attack, it wouldn't be ok to go to war then, is that what you are saying?

Mrs x

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
3 days ago

Border of London


"I see nothing wrong in sending a clear message to Jewish people that their state is acting unacceptably in their name.

You're taking about sending a message to the Jewish people outside of Israel, right? In this instance, what message and how?

Yes I am. Jewish people not resident in Israel commonly have strong links to their Jewish homeland, some with dual passports and many serving in the Israeli military. If Israel's actions are unacceptable or step-over the mark, what's wrong with telling them? Otherwise, it's a blank cheque to ignore the international community, which has been the situation for far too long and why we have such a toxic situation in the ME."

And the method for communicating this to message to Jews is what? How does one (a) identify them and (b) send the message? Are we talking about a strongly worded letter to a Jewish newspaper, a delegation to the Chief Rabbi or something a little stronger?

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By *ortyairCouple
3 days ago

Wallasey


"I see nothing wrong in sending a clear message to Jewish people that their state is acting unacceptably in their name.

You're taking about sending a message to the Jewish people outside of Israel, right? In this instance, what message and how?

Yes I am. Jewish people not resident in Israel commonly have strong links to their Jewish homeland, some with dual passports and many serving in the Israeli military. If Israel's actions are unacceptable or step-over the mark, what's wrong with telling them? Otherwise, it's a blank cheque to ignore the international community, which has been the situation for far too long and why we have such a toxic situation in the ME."

There's quite a number of Jews and they aren't all the same. You're making a sweeping statement and lumping them all together to suit your narrative. It's like when racists lump all people together and say things like they all look the same. It's quite a 'racisty' approach you have going here.

So do you think all Muslims are terrorists following 9/11, do you get the feeling you should be 'telling them' too, or is your approach just teserved for followers of just one faith? Not a hint of antisemitism coming through for you yet?

Waiting for you to double down again on your approach, oh and to ignore my previous question about why over 2 million Palestinians live peacefully in Israel,

Mrs x

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By *ortyairCouple
3 days ago

Wallasey


"I see nothing wrong in sending a clear message to Jewish people that their state is acting unacceptably in their name.

You're taking about sending a message to the Jewish people outside of Israel, right? In this instance, what message and how?

Yes I am. Jewish people not resident in Israel commonly have strong links to their Jewish homeland, some with dual passports and many serving in the Israeli military. If Israel's actions are unacceptable or step-over the mark, what's wrong with telling them? Otherwise, it's a blank cheque to ignore the international community, which has been the situation for far too long and why we have such a toxic situation in the ME.

And the method for communicating this to message to Jews is what? How does one (a) identify them and (b) send the message? Are we talking about a strongly worded letter to a Jewish newspaper, a delegation to the Chief Rabbi or something a little stronger?"

I know what my monies on, Mrs x

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By *eoBlooms OP   Man
3 days ago

Springfield

The Jewish population of Israel is about 75% while there are numerous countries where the Muslim population is above 98%, mostly because followers of any other religions were driven out by force. So logically it makes much more sense to hold all Muslims responsible for the actions of Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc, than to hold all Jews responsible for the actions of Israel.

Of course either position is a complete nonsense but heh !🤷‍♂️

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By *idnight RamblerMan
3 days ago

Pershore


"I see nothing wrong in sending a clear message to Jewish people that their state is acting unacceptably in their name.

You're taking about sending a message to the Jewish people outside of Israel, right? In this instance, what message and how?

Yes I am. Jewish people not resident in Israel commonly have strong links to their Jewish homeland, some with dual passports and many serving in the Israeli military. If Israel's actions are unacceptable or step-over the mark, what's wrong with telling them? Otherwise, it's a blank cheque to ignore the international community, which has been the situation for far too long and why we have such a toxic situation in the ME.There's quite a number of Jews and they aren't all the same. You're making a sweeping statement and lumping them all together to suit your narrative. It's like when racists lump all people together and say things like they all look the same. It's quite a 'racisty' approach you have going here.

So do you think all Muslims are terrorists following 9/11, do you get the feeling you should be 'telling them' too, or is your approach just teserved for followers of just one faith? Not a hint of antisemitism coming through for you yet?

Waiting for you to double down again on your approach, oh and to ignore my previous question about why over 2 million Palestinians live peacefully in Israel,

Mrs x"

Well you'd know about 'rascisty' tendencies better than me, an apologist for genocide right there in front of our eyes yet brushing it off as the old antisemitism chestnut.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
3 days ago

Pershore


"I see nothing wrong in sending a clear message to Jewish people that their state is acting unacceptably in their name.

You're taking about sending a message to the Jewish people outside of Israel, right? In this instance, what message and how?

Yes I am. Jewish people not resident in Israel commonly have strong links to their Jewish homeland, some with dual passports and many serving in the Israeli military. If Israel's actions are unacceptable or step-over the mark, what's wrong with telling them? Otherwise, it's a blank cheque to ignore the international community, which has been the situation for far too long and why we have such a toxic situation in the ME.

And the method for communicating this to message to Jews is what? How does one (a) identify them and (b) send the message? Are we talking about a strongly worded letter to a Jewish newspaper, a delegation to the Chief Rabbi or something a little stronger?"

All methods of communication within the laws of the land are OK by me.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
3 days ago

Border of London


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And the method for communicating this to message to Jews is what? How does one (a) identify them and (b) send the message? Are we talking about a strongly worded letter to a Jewish newspaper, a delegation to the Chief Rabbi or something a little stronger?

All methods of communication within the laws of the land are OK by me."

You're the one talking about sending a message to Jews - can you give an example of how you would do this?

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By *idnight RamblerMan
3 days ago

Pershore


"

And the method for communicating this to message to Jews is what? How does one (a) identify them and (b) send the message? Are we talking about a strongly worded letter to a Jewish newspaper, a delegation to the Chief Rabbi or something a little stronger?

All methods of communication within the laws of the land are OK by me.

You're the one talking about sending a message to Jews - can you give an example of how you would do this?"

Told you already, any lawful method. The message is more important than the means of transmission tbh.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
3 days ago

Border of London


"

And the method for communicating this to message to Jews is what? How does one (a) identify them and (b) send the message? Are we talking about a strongly worded letter to a Jewish newspaper, a delegation to the Chief Rabbi or something a little stronger?

All methods of communication within the laws of the land are OK by me.

You're the one talking about sending a message to Jews - can you give an example of how you would do this?

Told you already, any lawful method. The message is more important than the means of transmission tbh. "

The frightening thing is that you sound so reasonable.

The interesting thing is that, somewhere along the line, you've realised that it's problematic to select a group of people based upon religion and then subject them to, let's call it "strong opinions", about a political position over which almost all said individuals have no control. The legality of this is already so problematic that you've clammed up entirely and are falling back on "lawful method". Because, short of writing an open letter in a Jewish newspaper or making an online/TV address to those associated with Israel, there's very little else you can do that is legal.

You might indeed be well meaning. But a call for a "message to be sent to Jews" because "they support Israel" is always going to end in illegal behaviour and yet more persecution.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
3 days ago

Pershore


"

And the method for communicating this to message to Jews is what? How does one (a) identify them and (b) send the message? Are we talking about a strongly worded letter to a Jewish newspaper, a delegation to the Chief Rabbi or something a little stronger?

All methods of communication within the laws of the land are OK by me.

You're the one talking about sending a message to Jews - can you give an example of how you would do this?

Told you already, any lawful method. The message is more important than the means of transmission tbh.

The frightening thing is that you sound so reasonable.

The interesting thing is that, somewhere along the line, you've realised that it's problematic to select a group of people based upon religion and then subject them to, let's call it "strong opinions", about a political position over which almost all said individuals have no control. The legality of this is already so problematic that you've clammed up entirely and are falling back on "lawful method". Because, short of writing an open letter in a Jewish newspaper or making an online/TV address to those associated with Israel, there's very little else you can do that is legal.

You might indeed be well meaning. But a call for a "message to be sent to Jews" because "they support Israel" is always going to end in illegal behaviour and yet more persecution."

Why so prickly and unreceptive to a message? Why does it have to be illegal? That's a huge leap. I think the problem here is that you don't want to hear the message because it contains unpalatable truths. Easier to scream 'antisemitism' to silence reasonable protest.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
3 days ago

Border of London


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Why so prickly and unreceptive to a message? Why does it have to be illegal? That's a huge leap. I think the problem here is that you don't want to hear the message because it contains unpalatable truths. Easier to scream 'antisemitism' to silence reasonable protest. "

Absolutely not from this account.

Criticise the Israeli government all you like, their own citizens do it all the time. If you can back it up, have the debate about what they are doing. Debate is good and healthy and should never be silenced. Disagreement is not silencing. Call it genocide, that's your right. So long as you're receptive to counterarguments.

But if you want to suggest that you single people out based upon their ethnicity and religion, then use them as a lever to attack a regime that you do not like, you're in very dangerous territory.

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By *eoBlooms OP   Man
3 days ago

Springfield


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Why so prickly and unreceptive to a message? Why does it have to be illegal? That's a huge leap. I think the problem here is that you don't want to hear the message because it contains unpalatable truths. Easier to scream 'antisemitism' to silence reasonable protest.

Absolutely not from this account.

Criticise the Israeli government all you like, their own citizens do it all the time. If you can back it up, have the debate about what they are doing. Debate is good and healthy and should never be silenced. Disagreement is not silencing. Call it genocide, that's your right. So long as you're receptive to counterarguments.

But if you want to suggest that you single people out based upon their ethnicity and religion, then use them as a lever to attack a regime that you do not like, you're in very dangerous territory."

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
3 days ago

Border of London

It's perhaps not illegal for one nurse to say to another (Jewish) nurse over lunch, "you know, the kids dying in Gaza are a tragedy". The law probably allows for that. It's probably not illegal for another nurse to give her evil looks and mutter "free Palestine" under his breath. Many such interactions probably "sends a message", but leads to an intolerable working environment. Is it anti-Semitism? Perhaps not, according to some. Does it feel like a hostile and antisemitic environment to the person subjected to this "messaging"? Probably.

Will this make an iota of difference to any perceived Palestinian injustice? Well, extrapolating from those who say that Israel's actions in Gaza are breeding more terrorists, then it would probably encouraging more Jews to move to Israel and write off the rest of the world as antisemitic, and listen to them less.

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By *eaCrestMan
3 days ago

Hartlepool

There's a world of difference between anti semitism and zionism

Anti semitism is hostility or prejudice against people of the Jewish faith

Zionism is the establishment of a colony , and in its form is based on the religious-ethnic superiority of a people over another

Some on here knowingly accuse others based on lies and conflation of these two distinct practices to subvert any genuine criticism of Zionism, which is itself a form of extremist movements like jihadist ideologies.

There's lots of Jews against Zionism for its ideological views in practice but the usual"experts" on here will argue about that

I'm sure the usual self appointed experts will be along soon to ply their

"knowledge" and"wisdom"

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By *eoBlooms OP   Man
3 days ago

Springfield

If I were Jewish I certainly would not want to live in the UK where anti Semitism is flourishing among both left wingers and a large part of British Muslim communities. The police and the State seem happy with this situation so Jewish people must look after themselves, as they've had to throughout their history.

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By *melie LALWoman
3 days ago

Peterborough


"If I were Jewish I certainly would not want to live in the UK where anti Semitism is flourishing among both left wingers and a large part of British Muslim communities. The police and the State seem happy with this situation so Jewish people must look after themselves, as they've had to throughout their history."

Why are you making this a political leaning issue? Racist individuals are not left or right, they are arseholes!

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By *abygirl6969TV/TS
3 days ago

edinburgh

Any one who cares to study history will find by all serious accounts, that Israel is a zionist settler-colonial state created with the support of US-UK imperialism. It's hard to know the actual figures on anti-semitism due to the Israel creating a situation where anything and everything is 'anti-semitic' they pump the line out mercilessly. The victim narrative is hugely over exaggerated, but no one dare say so because of the historical narrative related to Germany.

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By *eoBlooms OP   Man
3 days ago

Springfield


"If I were Jewish I certainly would not want to live in the UK where anti Semitism is flourishing among both left wingers and a large part of British Muslim communities. The police and the State seem happy with this situation so Jewish people must look after themselves, as they've had to throughout their history.

Why are you making this a political leaning issue? Racist individuals are not left or right, they are arseholes!"

Because its clear that most anti semites now are on the left, particularly the far left.

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By *eaCrestMan
3 days ago

Hartlepool


"If I were Jewish I certainly would not want to live in the UK where anti Semitism is flourishing among both left wingers and a large part of British Muslim communities. The police and the State seem happy with this situation so Jewish people must look after themselves, as they've had to throughout their history.

Why are you making this a political leaning issue? Racist individuals are not left or right, they are arseholes!"

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By *eaCrestMan
3 days ago

Hartlepool


"Any one who cares to study history will find by all serious accounts, that Israel is a zionist settler-colonial state created with the support of US-UK imperialism. It's hard to know the actual figures on anti-semitism due to the Israel creating a situation where anything and everything is 'anti-semitic' they pump the line out mercilessly. The victim narrative is hugely over exaggerated, but no one dare say so because of the historical narrative related to Germany. "

This exactly

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By *eoBlooms OP   Man
3 days ago

Springfield


"Any one who cares to study history will find by all serious accounts, that Israel is a zionist settler-colonial state created with the support of US-UK imperialism. It's hard to know the actual figures on anti-semitism due to the Israel creating a situation where anything and everything is 'anti-semitic' they pump the line out mercilessly. The victim narrative is hugely over exaggerated, but no one dare say so because of the historical narrative related to Germany. "

'The victim narrative'...I wonder if you'd use that line against any other ethnic minority, or is it just the Jews ?

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By *eaCrestMan
3 days ago

Hartlepool


"Any one who cares to study history will find by all serious accounts, that Israel is a zionist settler-colonial state created with the support of US-UK imperialism. It's hard to know the actual figures on anti-semitism due to the Israel creating a situation where anything and everything is 'anti-semitic' they pump the line out mercilessly. The victim narrative is hugely over exaggerated, but no one dare say so because of the historical narrative related to Germany.

'The victim narrative'...I wonder if you'd use that line against any other ethnic minority, or is it just the Jews ? "

40,000 and counting innocent civilians including children, (one killed while being trapped in a wrecked car by an IDF tank deliberately) killed in Gaza claim they're victims. Are they?

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By *eoBlooms OP   Man
3 days ago

Springfield


"Any one who cares to study history will find by all serious accounts, that Israel is a zionist settler-colonial state created with the support of US-UK imperialism. It's hard to know the actual figures on anti-semitism due to the Israel creating a situation where anything and everything is 'anti-semitic' they pump the line out mercilessly. The victim narrative is hugely over exaggerated, but no one dare say so because of the historical narrative related to Germany.

'The victim narrative'...I wonder if you'd use that line against any other ethnic minority, or is it just the Jews ?

40,000 and counting innocent civilians including children, (one killed while being trapped in a wrecked car by an IDF tank deliberately) killed in Gaza claim they're victims. Are they?"

This is a thread about anti Semitism in the UK, please stop trying to derail it, thank you.

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By *ortyairCouple
3 days ago

Wallasey


"I see nothing wrong in sending a clear message to Jewish people that their state is acting unacceptably in their name.

You're taking about sending a message to the Jewish people outside of Israel, right? In this instance, what message and how?

Yes I am. Jewish people not resident in Israel commonly have strong links to their Jewish homeland, some with dual passports and many serving in the Israeli military. If Israel's actions are unacceptable or step-over the mark, what's wrong with telling them? Otherwise, it's a blank cheque to ignore the international community, which has been the situation for far too long and why we have such a toxic situation in the ME.There's quite a number of Jews and they aren't all the same. You're making a sweeping statement and lumping them all together to suit your narrative. It's like when racists lump all people together and say things like they all look the same. It's quite a 'racisty' approach you have going here.

So do you think all Muslims are terrorists following 9/11, do you get the feeling you should be 'telling them' too, or is your approach just reserved for followers of just one faith? Not a hint of antisemitism coming through for you yet?

Waiting for you to double down again on your approach, oh and to ignore my previous question about why over 2 million Palestinians live peacefully in Israel,

Mrs x

Well you'd know about 'rascisty' tendencies better than me, an apologist for genocide right there in front of our eyes yet brushing it off as the old antisemitism chestnut."

How can it be genocide? There's approx 45,000 deaths in Gaza, not all civilians but you can look at that as the total. If there's just over 2 million Gazans then the number of deaths is only 2.5%, which means 97.5% haven't been killed. When you add the 2 million Palestinians living in Israel then the number drops and so of the total number of Palestinians killed in the region is 1.25%.

So what is it then, are Israel just shite at committing genocide or is it a very, very small attempt at genocide?

This is made a bit more ridiculous by the other recent conflicts in the area. Both Yemen and Syria have had more than 10 times the deaths but no one on here is calling out the genocide that's occurring here. Over a million lives lost yet hardly a murmur, is this because it doesn't involve Jews perhaps?

Mrs x

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By *idnight RamblerMan
3 days ago

Pershore


"I see nothing wrong in sending a clear message to Jewish people that their state is acting unacceptably in their name.

You're taking about sending a message to the Jewish people outside of Israel, right? In this instance, what message and how?

Yes I am. Jewish people not resident in Israel commonly have strong links to their Jewish homeland, some with dual passports and many serving in the Israeli military. If Israel's actions are unacceptable or step-over the mark, what's wrong with telling them? Otherwise, it's a blank cheque to ignore the international community, which has been the situation for far too long and why we have such a toxic situation in the ME.There's quite a number of Jews and they aren't all the same. You're making a sweeping statement and lumping them all together to suit your narrative. It's like when racists lump all people together and say things like they all look the same. It's quite a 'racisty' approach you have going here.

So do you think all Muslims are terrorists following 9/11, do you get the feeling you should be 'telling them' too, or is your approach just reserved for followers of just one faith? Not a hint of antisemitism coming through for you yet?

Waiting for you to double down again on your approach, oh and to ignore my previous question about why over 2 million Palestinians live peacefully in Israel,

Mrs x

Well you'd know about 'rascisty' tendencies better than me, an apologist for genocide right there in front of our eyes yet brushing it off as the old antisemitism chestnut.How can it be genocide? There's approx 45,000 deaths in Gaza, not all civilians but you can look at that as the total. If there's just over 2 million Gazans then the number of deaths is only 2.5%, which means 97.5% haven't been killed. When you add the 2 million Palestinians living in Israel then the number drops and so of the total number of Palestinians killed in the region is 1.25%.

So what is it then, are Israel just shite at committing genocide or is it a very, very small attempt at genocide?

This is made a bit more ridiculous by the other recent conflicts in the area. Both Yemen and Syria have had more than 10 times the deaths but no one on here is calling out the genocide that's occurring here. Over a million lives lost yet hardly a murmur, is this because it doesn't involve Jews perhaps?

Mrs x"

How can it be genocide?

Just unbelievable!!

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By *ortyairCouple
3 days ago

Wallasey


"I see nothing wrong in sending a clear message to Jewish people that their state is acting unacceptably in their name.

You're taking about sending a message to the Jewish people outside of Israel, right? In this instance, what message and how?

Yes I am. Jewish people not resident in Israel commonly have strong links to their Jewish homeland, some with dual passports and many serving in the Israeli military. If Israel's actions are unacceptable or step-over the mark, what's wrong with telling them? Otherwise, it's a blank cheque to ignore the international community, which has been the situation for far too long and why we have such a toxic situation in the ME.There's quite a number of Jews and they aren't all the same. You're making a sweeping statement and lumping them all together to suit your narrative. It's like when racists lump all people together and say things like they all look the same. It's quite a 'racisty' approach you have going here.

So do you think all Muslims are terrorists following 9/11, do you get the feeling you should be 'telling them' too, or is your approach just reserved for followers of just one faith? Not a hint of antisemitism coming through for you yet?

Waiting for you to double down again on your approach, oh and to ignore my previous question about why over 2 million Palestinians live peacefully in Israel,

Mrs x

Well you'd know about 'rascisty' tendencies better than me, an apologist for genocide right there in front of our eyes yet brushing it off as the old antisemitism chestnut.How can it be genocide? There's approx 45,000 deaths in Gaza, not all civilians but you can look at that as the total. If there's just over 2 million Gazans then the number of deaths is only 2.5%, which means 97.5% haven't been killed. When you add the 2 million Palestinians living in Israel then the number drops and so of the total number of Palestinians killed in the region is 1.25%.

So what is it then, are Israel just shite at committing genocide or is it a very, very small attempt at genocide?

This is made a bit more ridiculous by the other recent conflicts in the area. Both Yemen and Syria have had more than 10 times the deaths but no one on here is calling out the genocide that's occurring here. Over a million lives lost yet hardly a murmur, is this because it doesn't involve Jews perhaps?

Mrs x

How can it be genocide?

Just unbelievable!!"

You call out Israel but no other nation or group in the area, you sympathise with terrorists or just support them?

And I knew you'd never answer why 2 million Palestinians live peacefully in Israel, not on Twitter/X is it. Just think for yourself and ask yourself, why is that? But you won't, doesn't suit your narrative of the genocidal Jews does it.

Mrs x

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By *idnight RamblerMan
3 days ago

Pershore


"I see nothing wrong in sending a clear message to Jewish people that their state is acting unacceptably in their name.

You're taking about sending a message to the Jewish people outside of Israel, right? In this instance, what message and how?

Yes I am. Jewish people not resident in Israel commonly have strong links to their Jewish homeland, some with dual passports and many serving in the Israeli military. If Israel's actions are unacceptable or step-over the mark, what's wrong with telling them? Otherwise, it's a blank cheque to ignore the international community, which has been the situation for far too long and why we have such a toxic situation in the ME.There's quite a number of Jews and they aren't all the same. You're making a sweeping statement and lumping them all together to suit your narrative. It's like when racists lump all people together and say things like they all look the same. It's quite a 'racisty' approach you have going here.

So do you think all Muslims are terrorists following 9/11, do you get the feeling you should be 'telling them' too, or is your approach just reserved for followers of just one faith? Not a hint of antisemitism coming through for you yet?

Waiting for you to double down again on your approach, oh and to ignore my previous question about why over 2 million Palestinians live peacefully in Israel,

Mrs x

Well you'd know about 'rascisty' tendencies better than me, an apologist for genocide right there in front of our eyes yet brushing it off as the old antisemitism chestnut.How can it be genocide? There's approx 45,000 deaths in Gaza, not all civilians but you can look at that as the total. If there's just over 2 million Gazans then the number of deaths is only 2.5%, which means 97.5% haven't been killed. When you add the 2 million Palestinians living in Israel then the number drops and so of the total number of Palestinians killed in the region is 1.25%.

So what is it then, are Israel just shite at committing genocide or is it a very, very small attempt at genocide?

This is made a bit more ridiculous by the other recent conflicts in the area. Both Yemen and Syria have had more than 10 times the deaths but no one on here is calling out the genocide that's occurring here. Over a million lives lost yet hardly a murmur, is this because it doesn't involve Jews perhaps?

Mrs x

How can it be genocide?

Just unbelievable!!You call out Israel but no other nation or group in the area, you sympathise with terrorists or just support them?

And I knew you'd never answer why 2 million Palestinians live peacefully in Israel, not on Twitter/X is it. Just think for yourself and ask yourself, why is that? But you won't, doesn't suit your narrative of the genocidal Jews does it.

Mrs x"

Whataboutism, no more, no less. This is a thread about antisemitism, so hardly surprising we are discussing Israel. Let's not get into some grim sliding scale of genocides.

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By *otMe66Man
3 days ago

Terra Firma


"Any one who cares to study history will find by all serious accounts, that Israel is a zionist settler-colonial state created with the support of US-UK imperialism. It's hard to know the actual figures on anti-semitism due to the Israel creating a situation where anything and everything is 'anti-semitic' they pump the line out mercilessly. The victim narrative is hugely over exaggerated, but no one dare say so because of the historical narrative related to Germany. "

We are free to critique any nation, including Israel, but it seems the core of your argument is, that Israel and Jewish people are exaggerating the hatred directed toward them.

I’m trying to understand why you would suggest that a group facing well documented discrimination and historical persecution might be inflating the facts. Would you apply the same reasoning to other groups affected by racism and prejudice when they raise the issues they are facing?

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By *ortyairCouple
3 days ago

Wallasey


"I see nothing wrong in sending a clear message to Jewish people that their state is acting unacceptably in their name.

You're taking about sending a message to the Jewish people outside of Israel, right? In this instance, what message and how?

Yes I am. Jewish people not resident in Israel commonly have strong links to their Jewish homeland, some with dual passports and many serving in the Israeli military. If Israel's actions are unacceptable or step-over the mark, what's wrong with telling them? Otherwise, it's a blank cheque to ignore the international community, which has been the situation for far too long and why we have such a toxic situation in the ME.There's quite a number of Jews and they aren't all the same. You're making a sweeping statement and lumping them all together to suit your narrative. It's like when racists lump all people together and say things like they all look the same. It's quite a 'racisty' approach you have going here.

So do you think all Muslims are terrorists following 9/11, do you get the feeling you should be 'telling them' too, or is your approach just reserved for followers of just one faith? Not a hint of antisemitism coming through for you yet?

Waiting for you to double down again on your approach, oh and to ignore my previous question about why over 2 million Palestinians live peacefully in Israel,

Mrs x

Well you'd know about 'rascisty' tendencies better than me, an apologist for genocide right there in front of our eyes yet brushing it off as the old antisemitism chestnut.How can it be genocide? There's approx 45,000 deaths in Gaza, not all civilians but you can look at that as the total. If there's just over 2 million Gazans then the number of deaths is only 2.5%, which means 97.5% haven't been killed. When you add the 2 million Palestinians living in Israel then the number drops and so of the total number of Palestinians killed in the region is 1.25%.

So what is it then, are Israel just shite at committing genocide or is it a very, very small attempt at genocide?

This is made a bit more ridiculous by the other recent conflicts in the area. Both Yemen and Syria have had more than 10 times the deaths but no one on here is calling out the genocide that's occurring here. Over a million lives lost yet hardly a murmur, is this because it doesn't involve Jews perhaps?

Mrs x

How can it be genocide?

Just unbelievable!!You call out Israel but no other nation or group in the area, you sympathise with terrorists or just support them?

And I knew you'd never answer why 2 million Palestinians live peacefully in Israel, not on Twitter/X is it. Just think for yourself and ask yourself, why is that? But you won't, doesn't suit your narrative of the genocidal Jews does it.

Mrs x

Whataboutism, no more, no less. This is a thread about antisemitism, so hardly surprising we are discussing Israel. Let's not get into some grim sliding scale of genocides. "

I didn't, I responded to you and you assertions that Israel was committing genocide. Do you think they are when the numbers don't suggest this? And if you do still think this, how do you account for the 2 million Palestinians living in peace in Israel, that's a massive contradiction for the genocide theorists don't you think?

Mrs x

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By *ortyairCouple
3 days ago

Wallasey


"Any one who cares to study history will find by all serious accounts, that Israel is a zionist settler-colonial state created with the support of US-UK imperialism. It's hard to know the actual figures on anti-semitism due to the Israel creating a situation where anything and everything is 'anti-semitic' they pump the line out mercilessly. The victim narrative is hugely over exaggerated, but no one dare say so because of the historical narrative related to Germany.

We are free to critique any nation, including Israel, but it seems the core of your argument is, that Israel and Jewish people are exaggerating the hatred directed toward them.

I’m trying to understand why you would suggest that a group facing well documented discrimination and historical persecution might be inflating the facts. Would you apply the same reasoning to other groups affected by racism and prejudice when they raise the issues they are facing?

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Well pointed out, Mrs x

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By *eaCrestMan
3 days ago

Hartlepool


"Any one who cares to study history will find by all serious accounts, that Israel is a zionist settler-colonial state created with the support of US-UK imperialism. It's hard to know the actual figures on anti-semitism due to the Israel creating a situation where anything and everything is 'anti-semitic' they pump the line out mercilessly. The victim narrative is hugely over exaggerated, but no one dare say so because of the historical narrative related to Germany.

'The victim narrative'...I wonder if you'd use that line against any other ethnic minority, or is it just the Jews ?

40,000 and counting innocent civilians including children, (one killed while being trapped in a wrecked car by an IDF tank deliberately) killed in Gaza claim they're victims. Are they?

This is a thread about anti Semitism in the UK, please stop trying to derail it, thank you."

Obviously you tripped up there posting the question

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By *rHotNottsMan
3 days ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"Excuse my ignorance.

But how would someone know if an NHS worker is Jewish?

Not ignorant at all and a fair question with, I guess, multiple answers."

It’s a sensitive area.

Generally, people from the area of the world can be easily identified by facial features, that in combination with the way they dress would normally indicate if they were Muslim Arab, Christian Arab or Jewish.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
3 days ago

Pershore


"I see nothing wrong in sending a clear message to Jewish people that their state is acting unacceptably in their name.

You're taking about sending a message to the Jewish people outside of Israel, right? In this instance, what message and how?

Yes I am. Jewish people not resident in Israel commonly have strong links to their Jewish homeland, some with dual passports and many serving in the Israeli military. If Israel's actions are unacceptable or step-over the mark, what's wrong with telling them? Otherwise, it's a blank cheque to ignore the international community, which has been the situation for far too long and why we have such a toxic situation in the ME.There's quite a number of Jews and they aren't all the same. You're making a sweeping statement and lumping them all together to suit your narrative. It's like when racists lump all people together and say things like they all look the same. It's quite a 'racisty' approach you have going here.

So do you think all Muslims are terrorists following 9/11, do you get the feeling you should be 'telling them' too, or is your approach just reserved for followers of just one faith? Not a hint of antisemitism coming through for you yet?

Waiting for you to double down again on your approach, oh and to ignore my previous question about why over 2 million Palestinians live peacefully in Israel,

Mrs x

Well you'd know about 'rascisty' tendencies better than me, an apologist for genocide right there in front of our eyes yet brushing it off as the old antisemitism chestnut.How can it be genocide? There's approx 45,000 deaths in Gaza, not all civilians but you can look at that as the total. If there's just over 2 million Gazans then the number of deaths is only 2.5%, which means 97.5% haven't been killed. When you add the 2 million Palestinians living in Israel then the number drops and so of the total number of Palestinians killed in the region is 1.25%.

So what is it then, are Israel just shite at committing genocide or is it a very, very small attempt at genocide?

This is made a bit more ridiculous by the other recent conflicts in the area. Both Yemen and Syria have had more than 10 times the deaths but no one on here is calling out the genocide that's occurring here. Over a million lives lost yet hardly a murmur, is this because it doesn't involve Jews perhaps?

Mrs x

How can it be genocide?

Just unbelievable!!You call out Israel but no other nation or group in the area, you sympathise with terrorists or just support them?

And I knew you'd never answer why 2 million Palestinians live peacefully in Israel, not on Twitter/X is it. Just think for yourself and ask yourself, why is that? But you won't, doesn't suit your narrative of the genocidal Jews does it.

Mrs x

Whataboutism, no more, no less. This is a thread about antisemitism, so hardly surprising we are discussing Israel. Let's not get into some grim sliding scale of genocides. I didn't, I responded to you and you assertions that Israel was committing genocide. Do you think they are when the numbers don't suggest this? And if you do still think this, how do you account for the 2 million Palestinians living in peace in Israel, that's a massive contradiction for the genocide theorists don't you think?

Mrs x"

No I don't think. Again, you are attempting you to deflect attention away from Israel's military operation in Gaza. This from the UN : Israel’s warfare in Gaza is consistent with the characteristics of genocide.

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By *ortyairCouple
3 days ago

Wallasey


"I see nothing wrong in sending a clear message to Jewish people that their state is acting unacceptably in their name.

You're taking about sending a message to the Jewish people outside of Israel, right? In this instance, what message and how?

Yes I am. Jewish people not resident in Israel commonly have strong links to their Jewish homeland, some with dual passports and many serving in the Israeli military. If Israel's actions are unacceptable or step-over the mark, what's wrong with telling them? Otherwise, it's a blank cheque to ignore the international community, which has been the situation for far too long and why we have such a toxic situation in the ME.There's quite a number of Jews and they aren't all the same. You're making a sweeping statement and lumping them all together to suit your narrative. It's like when racists lump all people together and say things like they all look the same. It's quite a 'racisty' approach you have going here.

So do you think all Muslims are terrorists following 9/11, do you get the feeling you should be 'telling them' too, or is your approach just reserved for followers of just one faith? Not a hint of antisemitism coming through for you yet?

Waiting for you to double down again on your approach, oh and to ignore my previous question about why over 2 million Palestinians live peacefully in Israel,

Mrs x

Well you'd know about 'rascisty' tendencies better than me, an apologist for genocide right there in front of our eyes yet brushing it off as the old antisemitism chestnut.How can it be genocide? There's approx 45,000 deaths in Gaza, not all civilians but you can look at that as the total. If there's just over 2 million Gazans then the number of deaths is only 2.5%, which means 97.5% haven't been killed. When you add the 2 million Palestinians living in Israel then the number drops and so of the total number of Palestinians killed in the region is 1.25%.

So what is it then, are Israel just shite at committing genocide or is it a very, very small attempt at genocide?

This is made a bit more ridiculous by the other recent conflicts in the area. Both Yemen and Syria have had more than 10 times the deaths but no one on here is calling out the genocide that's occurring here. Over a million lives lost yet hardly a murmur, is this because it doesn't involve Jews perhaps?

Mrs x

How can it be genocide?

Just unbelievable!!You call out Israel but no other nation or group in the area, you sympathise with terrorists or just support them?

And I knew you'd never answer why 2 million Palestinians live peacefully in Israel, not on Twitter/X is it. Just think for yourself and ask yourself, why is that? But you won't, doesn't suit your narrative of the genocidal Jews does it.

Mrs x

Whataboutism, no more, no less. This is a thread about antisemitism, so hardly surprising we are discussing Israel. Let's not get into some grim sliding scale of genocides. I didn't, I responded to you and you assertions that Israel was committing genocide. Do you think they are when the numbers don't suggest this? And if you do still think this, how do you account for the 2 million Palestinians living in peace in Israel, that's a massive contradiction for the genocide theorists don't you think?

Mrs x

No I don't think. Again, you are attempting you to deflect attention away from Israel's military operation in Gaza. This from the UN : Israel’s warfare in Gaza is consistent with the characteristics of genocide. "

According to the UN, 'To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group.'

So how do you proves 'intent', given that the same group of people live in peace in Israel itself, over 2 million of them. So you ever going to try and answer why these Palestinians live in Israel and why the Israelis let them live in peace, if genocide was their aim?

You not going to try are you?

.Mrs x

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
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Antisemitic incidents in the UK more than doubled in the first half of 2024 compared with the same period the previous year, attributed to the war in Gaza, according to a leading Jewish charity.

The total number of incidents recorded for the first six months of this year was 1,978. The comparable number for 2023 was 964.

These figures provided by The Community Security Trust (CST).

The charity recorded 121 incidents in the category of assault, an increase of 41% from the first half of 2023. Cases of damage and desecration to Jewish property rose by 246%.

There were 142 incidents in the category of threats and 1,618 in the category of abusive behaviour.

Guardian 8 August 2024.

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By *melie LALWoman
3 days ago

Peterborough


"If I were Jewish I certainly would not want to live in the UK where anti Semitism is flourishing among both left wingers and a large part of British Muslim communities. The police and the State seem happy with this situation so Jewish people must look after themselves, as they've had to throughout their history.

Why are you making this a political leaning issue? Racist individuals are not left or right, they are arseholes!

Because its clear that most anti semites now are on the left, particularly the far left."

Clear? Evidence?

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By *eoBlooms OP   Man
3 days ago

Springfield


"If I were Jewish I certainly would not want to live in the UK where anti Semitism is flourishing among both left wingers and a large part of British Muslim communities. The police and the State seem happy with this situation so Jewish people must look after themselves, as they've had to throughout their history.

Why are you making this a political leaning issue? Racist individuals are not left or right, they are arseholes!

Because its clear that most anti semites now are on the left, particularly the far left.

Clear? Evidence?"

Come on now !

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By *melie LALWoman
3 days ago

Peterborough


"If I were Jewish I certainly would not want to live in the UK where anti Semitism is flourishing among both left wingers and a large part of British Muslim communities. The police and the State seem happy with this situation so Jewish people must look after themselves, as they've had to throughout their history.

Why are you making this a political leaning issue? Racist individuals are not left or right, they are arseholes!

Because its clear that most anti semites now are on the left, particularly the far left.

Clear? Evidence?

Come on now !"

It's OK if you're all mouth and trousers, that's apt on Fab

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By *eoBlooms OP   Man
3 days ago

Springfield


"If I were Jewish I certainly would not want to live in the UK where anti Semitism is flourishing among both left wingers and a large part of British Muslim communities. The police and the State seem happy with this situation so Jewish people must look after themselves, as they've had to throughout their history.

Why are you making this a political leaning issue? Racist individuals are not left or right, they are arseholes!

Because its clear that most anti semites now are on the left, particularly the far left.

Clear? Evidence?

Come on now !

It's OK if you're all mouth and trousers, that's apt on Fab "

No need for personal abuse please.

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By *melie LALWoman
3 days ago

Peterborough


"If I were Jewish I certainly would not want to live in the UK where anti Semitism is flourishing among both left wingers and a large part of British Muslim communities. The police and the State seem happy with this situation so Jewish people must look after themselves, as they've had to throughout their history.

Why are you making this a political leaning issue? Racist individuals are not left or right, they are arseholes!

Because its clear that most anti semites now are on the left, particularly the far left.

Clear? Evidence?

Come on now !

It's OK if you're all mouth and trousers, that's apt on Fab

No need for personal abuse please."

Oh come on that's funny not abusive. It's sexual innuendo hence saying apt on fab.

The point is if you don't have an answer, it's fine.

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By *eoBlooms OP   Man
3 days ago

Springfield


"If I were Jewish I certainly would not want to live in the UK where anti Semitism is flourishing among both left wingers and a large part of British Muslim communities. The police and the State seem happy with this situation so Jewish people must look after themselves, as they've had to throughout their history.

Why are you making this a political leaning issue? Racist individuals are not left or right, they are arseholes!

Because its clear that most anti semites now are on the left, particularly the far left.

Clear? Evidence?

Come on now !

It's OK if you're all mouth and trousers, that's apt on Fab

No need for personal abuse please.

Oh come on that's funny not abusive. It's sexual innuendo hence saying apt on fab.

The point is if you don't have an answer, it's fine."

I'm sorry but I will not engage further with people who use personal abuse, thanks.

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By *melie LALWoman
3 days ago

Peterborough


"If I were Jewish I certainly would not want to live in the UK where anti Semitism is flourishing among both left wingers and a large part of British Muslim communities. The police and the State seem happy with this situation so Jewish people must look after themselves, as they've had to throughout their history.

Why are you making this a political leaning issue? Racist individuals are not left or right, they are arseholes!

Because its clear that most anti semites now are on the left, particularly the far left.

Clear? Evidence?

Come on now !

It's OK if you're all mouth and trousers, that's apt on Fab

No need for personal abuse please.

Oh come on that's funny not abusive. It's sexual innuendo hence saying apt on fab.

The point is if you don't have an answer, it's fine.

I'm sorry but I will not engage further with people who use personal abuse, thanks."

No answer to prove political leaning. I totally get it.

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By *melie LALWoman
3 days ago

Peterborough

Btw all mouth and trousers is the same as talk the talk but not walk the walk.

It is NOT personal abuse.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
3 days ago

Bournemouth


"If I were Jewish I certainly would not want to live in the UK where anti Semitism is flourishing among both left wingers and a large part of British Muslim communities. The police and the State seem happy with this situation so Jewish people must look after themselves, as they've had to throughout their history.

Why are you making this a political leaning issue? Racist individuals are not left or right, they are arseholes!

Because its clear that most anti semites now are on the left, particularly the far left.

Clear? Evidence?

Come on now !

It's OK if you're all mouth and trousers, that's apt on Fab

No need for personal abuse please.

Oh come on that's funny not abusive. It's sexual innuendo hence saying apt on fab.

The point is if you don't have an answer, it's fine.

I'm sorry but I will not engage further with people who use personal abuse, thanks.

No answer to prove political leaning. I totally get it."

I wonder if you'll call out anyone who calls people against Muslim Extremism 'far right'?

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By *oandstephCouple
3 days ago

Bradford

How jew know if they're jewish?

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By *eoBlooms OP   Man
3 days ago

Springfield


"If I were Jewish I certainly would not want to live in the UK where anti Semitism is flourishing among both left wingers and a large part of British Muslim communities. The police and the State seem happy with this situation so Jewish people must look after themselves, as they've had to throughout their history.

Why are you making this a political leaning issue? Racist individuals are not left or right, they are arseholes!

Because its clear that most anti semites now are on the left, particularly the far left.

Clear? Evidence?

Come on now !

It's OK if you're all mouth and trousers, that's apt on Fab

No need for personal abuse please.

Oh come on that's funny not abusive. It's sexual innuendo hence saying apt on fab.

The point is if you don't have an answer, it's fine.

I'm sorry but I will not engage further with people who use personal abuse, thanks.

No answer to prove political leaning. I totally get it.

I wonder if you'll call out anyone who calls people against Muslim Extremism 'far right'?"

Yes. Just as hostility to Muslims is more prevalent on the right so prejudice against Jews is currently stronger on the left. Both these statements can be demonstrated with a few minutes research.

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By *melie LALWoman
3 days ago

Peterborough


"If I were Jewish I certainly would not want to live in the UK where anti Semitism is flourishing among both left wingers and a large part of British Muslim communities. The police and the State seem happy with this situation so Jewish people must look after themselves, as they've had to throughout their history.

Why are you making this a political leaning issue? Racist individuals are not left or right, they are arseholes!

Because its clear that most anti semites now are on the left, particularly the far left.

Clear? Evidence?

Come on now !

It's OK if you're all mouth and trousers, that's apt on Fab

No need for personal abuse please.

Oh come on that's funny not abusive. It's sexual innuendo hence saying apt on fab.

The point is if you don't have an answer, it's fine.

I'm sorry but I will not engage further with people who use personal abuse, thanks.

No answer to prove political leaning. I totally get it.

I wonder if you'll call out anyone who calls people against Muslim Extremism 'far right'?"

Why would I? I don't see anti a religion a political leaning. I see it as intolerance.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
3 days ago

Bournemouth


"If I were Jewish I certainly would not want to live in the UK where anti Semitism is flourishing among both left wingers and a large part of British Muslim communities. The police and the State seem happy with this situation so Jewish people must look after themselves, as they've had to throughout their history.

Why are you making this a political leaning issue? Racist individuals are not left or right, they are arseholes!

Because its clear that most anti semites now are on the left, particularly the far left.

Clear? Evidence?

Come on now !

It's OK if you're all mouth and trousers, that's apt on Fab

No need for personal abuse please.

Oh come on that's funny not abusive. It's sexual innuendo hence saying apt on fab.

The point is if you don't have an answer, it's fine.

I'm sorry but I will not engage further with people who use personal abuse, thanks.

No answer to prove political leaning. I totally get it.

I wonder if you'll call out anyone who calls people against Muslim Extremism 'far right'?

Why would I? I don't see anti a religion a political leaning. I see it as intolerance."

Why would you?

If you don't understand the question, you can ask me to explain.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
3 days ago

Bournemouth


"If I were Jewish I certainly would not want to live in the UK where anti Semitism is flourishing among both left wingers and a large part of British Muslim communities. The police and the State seem happy with this situation so Jewish people must look after themselves, as they've had to throughout their history.

Why are you making this a political leaning issue? Racist individuals are not left or right, they are arseholes!

Because its clear that most anti semites now are on the left, particularly the far left.

Clear? Evidence?

Come on now !

It's OK if you're all mouth and trousers, that's apt on Fab

No need for personal abuse please.

Oh come on that's funny not abusive. It's sexual innuendo hence saying apt on fab.

The point is if you don't have an answer, it's fine.

I'm sorry but I will not engage further with people who use personal abuse, thanks.

No answer to prove political leaning. I totally get it.

I wonder if you'll call out anyone who calls people against Muslim Extremism 'far right'?

Yes. Just as hostility to Muslims is more prevalent on the right so prejudice against Jews is currently stronger on the left. Both these statements can be demonstrated with a few minutes research."

It is more prevalent on the right, I agree.

Just as Jewish hostility is more prevalent on the left.

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By *oandstephCouple
3 days ago

Bradford


"If I were Jewish I certainly would not want to live in the UK where anti Semitism is flourishing among both left wingers and a large part of British Muslim communities. The police and the State seem happy with this situation so Jewish people must look after themselves, as they've had to throughout their history.

Why are you making this a political leaning issue? Racist individuals are not left or right, they are arseholes!

Because its clear that most anti semites now are on the left, particularly the far left.

Clear? Evidence?

Come on now !

It's OK if you're all mouth and trousers, that's apt on Fab

No need for personal abuse please.

Oh come on that's funny not abusive. It's sexual innuendo hence saying apt on fab.

The point is if you don't have an answer, it's fine.

I'm sorry but I will not engage further with people who use personal abuse, thanks.

No answer to prove political leaning. I totally get it.

I wonder if you'll call out anyone who calls people against Muslim Extremism 'far right'?

Yes. Just as hostility to Muslims is more prevalent on the right so prejudice against Jews is currently stronger on the left. Both these statements can be demonstrated with a few minutes research.

It is more prevalent on the right, I agree.

Just as Jewish hostility is more prevalent on the left. "

go to the football its muslim this muslim that

Go play golf and its bloody due this and jue boy that is as close to left and right u get

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