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"Lack of self discipline and failure to take responsibility for own health , it's as simple as that. " Unfortunately it's not. | |||
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"Lack of self discipline and failure to take responsibility for own health , it's as simple as that. Unfortunately it's not." Not completely I agree, but it's by far the biggest factor. When this topic get's discussed it always gets over-complicated with outliers. As a nation, we have to face the stark truth. | |||
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"Lack of self discipline and failure to take responsibility for own health , it's as simple as that. Unfortunately it's not. Not completely I agree, but it's by far the biggest factor. When this topic get's discussed it always gets over-complicated with outliers. As a nation, we have to face the stark truth." Again it's not correct that it's the biggest factor, and it's not over complicated.... just a suggestion maybe try watching it?...then you might face the stark truth and be able to support people in a knowledgeable positive manner, something we all should try are best to do. | |||
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"Lack of self discipline and failure to take responsibility for own health , it's as simple as that. Unfortunately it's not. Not completely I agree, but it's by far the biggest factor. When this topic get's discussed it always gets over-complicated with outliers. As a nation, we have to face the stark truth. Again it's not correct that it's the biggest factor, and it's not over complicated.... just a suggestion maybe try watching it?...then you might face the stark truth and be able to support people in a knowledgeable positive manner, something we all should try are best to do." Well in my experience, I stand by what I say. Excuse-making just exacerbates the national health crisis we face, and is why we have a dysfunctional NHS. | |||
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"Lack of self discipline and failure to take responsibility for own health , it's as simple as that. Unfortunately it's not. Not completely I agree, but it's by far the biggest factor. When this topic get's discussed it always gets over-complicated with outliers. As a nation, we have to face the stark truth. Again it's not correct that it's the biggest factor, and it's not over complicated.... just a suggestion maybe try watching it?...then you might face the stark truth and be able to support people in a knowledgeable positive manner, something we all should try are best to do. Well in my experience, I stand by what I say. Excuse-making just exacerbates the national health crisis we face, and is why we have a dysfunctional NHS." It's a shame you will not watch it, education and knowledge is key to understanding the situation, especially with your experience and you seem passionate about our NHS. | |||
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"Tabbaco firms buying into the food industry, and addictive flavours. Irresistible: Why We Can’t Stop Eating: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0025gqs via @bbciplayer" They have been doing this for decades , old news. | |||
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"Lack of self discipline and failure to take responsibility for own health , it's as simple as that. Unfortunately it's not." It is anyone with a brain cell should know junk /takeaway food is not a healthy option for a diet. | |||
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"Lack of self discipline and failure to take responsibility for own health , it's as simple as that. Unfortunately it's not. It is anyone with a brain cell should know junk /takeaway food is not a healthy option for a diet. " Yes, on one hand people come up with these conspiracy theories about big business but on the other hand they want Big Government to ban porridge! Educate yourself and your children, make your own decisions. | |||
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"Tabbaco firms buying into the food industry, and addictive flavours. Irresistible: Why We Can’t Stop Eating: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0025gqs via @bbciplayer They have been doing this for decades , old news. " Glad you know, but this programme is a few weeks old so it's research is not old news. | |||
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"Lack of self discipline and failure to take responsibility for own health , it's as simple as that. Unfortunately it's not. It is anyone with a brain cell should know junk /takeaway food is not a healthy option for a diet. " Unfortunately they don't | |||
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"Lack of self discipline and failure to take responsibility for own health , it's as simple as that. Unfortunately it's not. It is anyone with a brain cell should know junk /takeaway food is not a healthy option for a diet. Yes, on one hand people come up with these conspiracy theories about big business but on the other hand they want Big Government to ban porridge! Educate yourself and your children, make your own decisions." Yep big education is key, not flat earth education | |||
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"Tabbaco firms buying into the food industry, and addictive flavours. Irresistible: Why We Can’t Stop Eating: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0025gqs via @bbciplayer" Have not watched this yet but all processed for is low in nutrition and hi in sugger, salt etc altaproccessed food is something we really should not consume on a regular basis. If you not cooking from scratch 5 times a week your in a poor place health wise. | |||
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"Tabbaco firms buying into the food industry, and addictive flavours. Irresistible: Why We Can’t Stop Eating: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0025gqs via @bbciplayer Have not watched this yet but all processed for is low in nutrition and hi in sugger, salt etc altaproccessed food is something we really should not consume on a regular basis. If you not cooking from scratch 5 times a week your in a poor place health wise." Try and watch it, it's mind blowing what is behind it | |||
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"I could fix the UK obesity epidemic in one day! Put really narrow doors on all the NHS hospitals in the UK. The fat fuckers won’t be able to get in then "Problem is half the staff are overweight too ! | |||
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"Lack of self discipline and failure to take responsibility for own health , it's as simple as that. Unfortunately it's not." It is, 100%. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that additives and flavour enhancers are used by the food industry to make people return to their products. We cook almost everything we eat from scratch, from the biscuits for elevenses to bread for lunch and all evening meals. Not difficult, not expensive, and we know what we are eating. | |||
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"Lack of self discipline and failure to take responsibility for own health , it's as simple as that. Unfortunately it's not. It is, 100%. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that additives and flavour enhancers are used by the food industry to make people return to their products. We cook almost everything we eat from scratch, from the biscuits for elevenses to bread for lunch and all evening meals. Not difficult, not expensive, and we know what we are eating." If it was only that simple, anybody who has worked in this field will tell you different, have you watched the programme? | |||
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"Lack of self discipline and failure to take responsibility for own health , it's as simple as that. Unfortunately it's not. It is anyone with a brain cell should know junk /takeaway food is not a healthy option for a diet. Yes, on one hand people come up with these conspiracy theories about big business but on the other hand they want Big Government to ban porridge! Educate yourself and your children, make your own decisions." exactly police yeself it’s not hard | |||
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"Lack of self discipline and failure to take responsibility for own health , it's as simple as that. Unfortunately it's not. It is, 100%. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that additives and flavour enhancers are used by the food industry to make people return to their products. We cook almost everything we eat from scratch, from the biscuits for elevenses to bread for lunch and all evening meals. Not difficult, not expensive, and we know what we are eating. If it was only that simple, anybody who has worked in this field will tell you different, have you watched the programme?" Skimmed through it, and read the summary. So, why isn’t it simple? Don’t eat ready made and highly processed food and you can’t get addicted to it. Our bodies are genetically predisposed to craving food high in salt, fat and sugar. But still, just don’t do it. Simple. | |||
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"Lack of self discipline and failure to take responsibility for own health , it's as simple as that. Unfortunately it's not. It is, 100%. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that additives and flavour enhancers are used by the food industry to make people return to their products. We cook almost everything we eat from scratch, from the biscuits for elevenses to bread for lunch and all evening meals. Not difficult, not expensive, and we know what we are eating. If it was only that simple, anybody who has worked in this field will tell you different, have you watched the programme? Skimmed through it, and read the summary. So, why isn’t it simple? Don’t eat ready made and highly processed food and you can’t get addicted to it. Our bodies are genetically predisposed to craving food high in salt, fat and sugar. But still, just don’t do it. Simple." Because I have worked in that field supporting people, and I know broad brush comments like don't eat it, don't work. If it was that simple there wouldn't be such a huge problem... people still eat it for various reasons, it's like telling a smoker or a alcoholic to just stop... You have answered your own question,as you said the additives etc make you return to the food, we are dealing with addiction, and you don't just stop when addicted. Try watching the programme in full not skimming it. It will give you a better understanding. | |||
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"I have chicken for tonight, will do some rice and garden peas. All fresh and cooked in my kitchen, with no sugar and minus salt which is another killer." Unfortunately chicken is full of nasty things, most of our food chain is. | |||
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"I have chicken for tonight, will do some rice and garden peas. All fresh and cooked in my kitchen, with no sugar and minus salt which is another killer." How do you get fresh peas in England in December? Are they frozen ? | |||
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"Lack of self discipline and failure to take responsibility for own health , it's as simple as that. Unfortunately it's not. It is, 100%. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that additives and flavour enhancers are used by the food industry to make people return to their products. We cook almost everything we eat from scratch, from the biscuits for elevenses to bread for lunch and all evening meals. Not difficult, not expensive, and we know what we are eating. If it was only that simple, anybody who has worked in this field will tell you different, have you watched the programme? Skimmed through it, and read the summary. So, why isn’t it simple? Don’t eat ready made and highly processed food and you can’t get addicted to it. Our bodies are genetically predisposed to craving food high in salt, fat and sugar. But still, just don’t do it. Simple. Because I have worked in that field supporting people, and I know broad brush comments like don't eat it, don't work. If it was that simple there wouldn't be such a huge problem... people still eat it for various reasons, it's like telling a smoker or a alcoholic to just stop... You have answered your own question,as you said the additives etc make you return to the food, we are dealing with addiction, and you don't just stop when addicted. Try watching the programme in full not skimming it. It will give you a better understanding. " I haven't seen the programme, but have watched others in the past that looked at this issue, so I think your saying fast food microwave food has items added to make them addictive. Yes this is true, but what demographic are addicted poor people? Did they mention another demographics? If so the many reasons poor people are addicted to processed foods are poverty, fuel poverty, lack of living standards. I did live near a MaccyD and if I brought something from there (I no longer use maccyDs), I would notice lots of children and I wondered why as they had just come from school, so why are they not home for dinner, well mom is on a meter and cannot afford to use her utilities as she cannot afford it so little cooking, when at home spagbol from the supermarket 4 minutes in the micro cost a few pence in electric. Thats one reason I know. And I agree it is shocking that the government let food manufactures exploit others, but now with so many people off work, I say it is their own fault and it is time to reign these people in. | |||
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"I have chicken for tonight, will do some rice and garden peas. All fresh and cooked in my kitchen, with no sugar and minus salt which is another killer. How do you get fresh peas in England in December? Are they frozen ?" Yes frozen from fresh, now do not go all garden Ramsey on me please | |||
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"I have chicken for tonight, will do some rice and garden peas. All fresh and cooked in my kitchen, with no sugar and minus salt which is another killer. Unfortunately chicken is full of nasty things, most of our food chain is." When I was younger I worked on Marks and Sparks food line, and yes it is the people who work with the food one has to watch out for, but we never see them. | |||
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"Lack of self discipline and failure to take responsibility for own health , it's as simple as that. Unfortunately it's not. It is, 100%. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that additives and flavour enhancers are used by the food industry to make people return to their products. We cook almost everything we eat from scratch, from the biscuits for elevenses to bread for lunch and all evening meals. Not difficult, not expensive, and we know what we are eating. If it was only that simple, anybody who has worked in this field will tell you different, have you watched the programme? Skimmed through it, and read the summary. So, why isn’t it simple? Don’t eat ready made and highly processed food and you can’t get addicted to it. Our bodies are genetically predisposed to craving food high in salt, fat and sugar. But still, just don’t do it. Simple. Because I have worked in that field supporting people, and I know broad brush comments like don't eat it, don't work. If it was that simple there wouldn't be such a huge problem... people still eat it for various reasons, it's like telling a smoker or a alcoholic to just stop... You have answered your own question,as you said the additives etc make you return to the food, we are dealing with addiction, and you don't just stop when addicted. Try watching the programme in full not skimming it. It will give you a better understanding. I haven't seen the programme, but have watched others in the past that looked at this issue, so I think your saying fast food microwave food has items added to make them addictive. Yes this is true, but what demographic are addicted poor people? Did they mention another demographics? If so the many reasons poor people are addicted to processed foods are poverty, fuel poverty, lack of living standards. I did live near a MaccyD and if I brought something from there (I no longer use maccyDs), I would notice lots of children and I wondered why as they had just come from school, so why are they not home for dinner, well mom is on a meter and cannot afford to use her utilities as she cannot afford it so little cooking, when at home spagbol from the supermarket 4 minutes in the micro cost a few pence in electric. Thats one reason I know. And I agree it is shocking that the government let food manufactures exploit others, but now with so many people off work, I say it is their own fault and it is time to reign these people in." Try and watch it. | |||
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"Lack of self discipline and failure to take responsibility for own health , it's as simple as that. Unfortunately it's not. It is, 100%. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that additives and flavour enhancers are used by the food industry to make people return to their products. We cook almost everything we eat from scratch, from the biscuits for elevenses to bread for lunch and all evening meals. Not difficult, not expensive, and we know what we are eating. If it was only that simple, anybody who has worked in this field will tell you different, have you watched the programme? Skimmed through it, and read the summary. So, why isn’t it simple? Don’t eat ready made and highly processed food and you can’t get addicted to it. Our bodies are genetically predisposed to craving food high in salt, fat and sugar. But still, just don’t do it. Simple. Because I have worked in that field supporting people, and I know broad brush comments like don't eat it, don't work. If it was that simple there wouldn't be such a huge problem... people still eat it for various reasons, it's like telling a smoker or a alcoholic to just stop... You have answered your own question,as you said the additives etc make you return to the food, we are dealing with addiction, and you don't just stop when addicted. Try watching the programme in full not skimming it. It will give you a better understanding. I haven't seen the programme, but have watched others in the past that looked at this issue, so I think your saying fast food microwave food has items added to make them addictive. Yes this is true, but what demographic are addicted poor people? Did they mention another demographics? If so the many reasons poor people are addicted to processed foods are poverty, fuel poverty, lack of living standards. I did live near a MaccyD and if I brought something from there (I no longer use maccyDs), I would notice lots of children and I wondered why as they had just come from school, so why are they not home for dinner, well mom is on a meter and cannot afford to use her utilities as she cannot afford it so little cooking, when at home spagbol from the supermarket 4 minutes in the micro cost a few pence in electric. Thats one reason I know. And I agree it is shocking that the government let food manufactures exploit others, but now with so many people off work, I say it is their own fault and it is time to reign these people in. Try and watch it." Yes mam. | |||
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"Lack of self discipline and failure to take responsibility for own health , it's as simple as that. Unfortunately it's not. It is, 100%. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that additives and flavour enhancers are used by the food industry to make people return to their products. We cook almost everything we eat from scratch, from the biscuits for elevenses to bread for lunch and all evening meals. Not difficult, not expensive, and we know what we are eating. If it was only that simple, anybody who has worked in this field will tell you different, have you watched the programme? Skimmed through it, and read the summary. So, why isn’t it simple? Don’t eat ready made and highly processed food and you can’t get addicted to it. Our bodies are genetically predisposed to craving food high in salt, fat and sugar. But still, just don’t do it. Simple. Because I have worked in that field supporting people, and I know broad brush comments like don't eat it, don't work. If it was that simple there wouldn't be such a huge problem... people still eat it for various reasons, it's like telling a smoker or a alcoholic to just stop... You have answered your own question,as you said the additives etc make you return to the food, we are dealing with addiction, and you don't just stop when addicted. Try watching the programme in full not skimming it. It will give you a better understanding. I haven't seen the programme, but have watched others in the past that looked at this issue, so I think your saying fast food microwave food has items added to make them addictive. Yes this is true, but what demographic are addicted poor people? Did they mention another demographics? If so the many reasons poor people are addicted to processed foods are poverty, fuel poverty, lack of living standards. I did live near a MaccyD and if I brought something from there (I no longer use maccyDs), I would notice lots of children and I wondered why as they had just come from school, so why are they not home for dinner, well mom is on a meter and cannot afford to use her utilities as she cannot afford it so little cooking, when at home spagbol from the supermarket 4 minutes in the micro cost a few pence in electric. Thats one reason I know. And I agree it is shocking that the government let food manufactures exploit others, but now with so many people off work, I say it is their own fault and it is time to reign these people in. Try and watch it. Yes mam." 🤣😂🤣😂 | |||
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"The randle cycle has everything to do with it. The devastating effect of mixed diet/well plate/food pyramid. Eg: how many dry cream crackers can most eat in one sitting? - not many - How much of a block of pure cheese on its own can most eat in one sitting? more than the crackers but still not too much for the most part. - now.. combine the crackers with cheese- how much now? - For me it’s a bottomless pit. I could keep going into that block of cheese and crackers run out That’s the randle cycle and is the the big contributor to over eating and being hungry cyclically thru the day- Also sugar / carbs are addictive. I have had to face up to my own carb addiction and didn’t really know till this year. I’m 46 I started watching Bart Kay, Zoe harcombe, Ken berry and Anthony’s chafee- All drs and profs of bio Chem- After following their channels and adapting my diet I lost 9k or 17.5lbs or 1.2 stone in two months, also dropped 20 points in blood pressure in 2 months. From borderline high BP to perfect plus the weight loss. 101k to 92.9 My dr said whatever your doing keep doing it- those results are down to diet and lifestyle and nothing else. Best part is- I didn’t do any excercising. Just walking my dog. Thanks for reading "i remember watching the 2 twin doctors????? On the tv, one did all fat diet the other all sugar, both lost weight but when u combine the fat and the sugars is when the weight piled on | |||
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"The randle cycle has everything to do with it. The devastating effect of mixed diet/well plate/food pyramid. Eg: how many dry cream crackers can most eat in one sitting? - not many - How much of a block of pure cheese on its own can most eat in one sitting? more than the crackers but still not too much for the most part. - now.. combine the crackers with cheese- how much now? - For me it’s a bottomless pit. I could keep going into that block of cheese and crackers run out That’s the randle cycle and is the the big contributor to over eating and being hungry cyclically thru the day- Also sugar / carbs are addictive. I have had to face up to my own carb addiction and didn’t really know till this year. I’m 46 I started watching Bart Kay, Zoe harcombe, Ken berry and Anthony’s chafee- All drs and profs of bio Chem- After following their channels and adapting my diet I lost 9k or 17.5lbs or 1.2 stone in two months, also dropped 20 points in blood pressure in 2 months. From borderline high BP to perfect plus the weight loss. 101k to 92.9 My dr said whatever your doing keep doing it- those results are down to diet and lifestyle and nothing else. Best part is- I didn’t do any excercising. Just walking my dog. Thanks for reading i remember watching the 2 twin doctors????? On the tv, one did all fat diet the other all sugar, both lost weight but when u combine the fat and the sugars is when the weight piled on "Not sure who hide twins are but it sounds like Casey and Calley Means. American brother and sister duo. He is speaking up about seed oils and she quit her job as a top end surgeon in medical industry. Both have been on Jimmy dore show, and tucker Carlson (not my fave tucker…) but he does have good guests and he listens and gives time to his guests. The names I mentioned are all solid. All have very successful careers in medical fields and have great channels on YouTube. | |||
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"The randle cycle has everything to do with it. The devastating effect of mixed diet/well plate/food pyramid. Eg: how many dry cream crackers can most eat in one sitting? - not many - How much of a block of pure cheese on its own can most eat in one sitting? more than the crackers but still not too much for the most part. - now.. combine the crackers with cheese- how much now? - For me it’s a bottomless pit. I could keep going into that block of cheese and crackers run out That’s the randle cycle and is the the big contributor to over eating and being hungry cyclically thru the day- Also sugar / carbs are addictive. I have had to face up to my own carb addiction and didn’t really know till this year. I’m 46 I started watching Bart Kay, Zoe harcombe, Ken berry and Anthony’s chafee- All drs and profs of bio Chem- After following their channels and adapting my diet I lost 9k or 17.5lbs or 1.2 stone in two months, also dropped 20 points in blood pressure in 2 months. From borderline high BP to perfect plus the weight loss. 101k to 92.9 My dr said whatever your doing keep doing it- those results are down to diet and lifestyle and nothing else. Best part is- I didn’t do any excercising. Just walking my dog. Thanks for reading i remember watching the 2 twin doctors????? On the tv, one did all fat diet the other all sugar, both lost weight but when u combine the fat and the sugars is when the weight piled on
Not sure who hide twins are but it sounds like Casey and Calley Means. American brother and sister duo. He is speaking up about seed oils and she quit her job as a top end surgeon in medical industry. Both have been on Jimmy dore show, and tucker Carlson (not my fave tucker…) but he does have good guests and he listens and gives time to his guests.
The names I mentioned are all solid. All have very successful careers in medical fields and have great channels on YouTube. "no these were english and both did cycling events with team sky at the time to moniter there obbs bloods and sugar levels ect, both said none were healthy but did the task for science lol basically said similar nobody would sit and eat lard nor a bag of sugar but mix the 2 and its a different story | |||
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"For those who are that, it mostly comes down to lack of discipline too." Addiction has nothing to do with lack of discipline. | |||
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"Bring back cooking classes in schools " That would be a good start, 👍education is key to this...as you can tell from this thread 🤣 | |||
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"I haven't seen the show although I did notice it was advertised. Apparently according to a news item I saw obesity is second only to smoking as a killer in this country. We're dealing with smoking and we're hopefully starting to deal with obesity. Junk food and the ease of access to it is a start. " Please try and watch it, the links you mentioned to smoking and obesity are very true. Tobacco firms have been buying up food additive firms, it's very disturbing. | |||
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"For those who are that, it mostly comes down to lack of discipline too." Well said Shag. | |||
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"For those who are that, it mostly comes down to lack of discipline too. Well said Shag. "It's Occam's Razor isn't it? The simplest explanations are the most likely. But people shroud things in faux science and dubious research so the root causes never gets addressed. | |||
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"For those who are that, it mostly comes down to lack of discipline too." Exactly. Do people really think “I’m feeling a bit down and lethargic today, I know what I need - another pie or chocolate bar?” Seriously? None of us are perfect but if a person is overweight and unfit, eat better and exercise more. Very simple. | |||
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"For those who are that, it mostly comes down to lack of discipline too. Exactly. Do people really think “I’m feeling a bit down and lethargic today, I know what I need - another pie or chocolate bar?” Seriously? None of us are perfect but if a person is overweight and unfit, eat better and exercise more. Very simple." I know plenty of people who reach for chocolate when they feel down or lethargic. I think almost everyone knows that eating better and exercising more is the way forward for most (there are exclusions to this). That being the case why isn't everyone doing it? | |||
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"For those who are that, it mostly comes down to lack of discipline too. Exactly. Do people really think “I’m feeling a bit down and lethargic today, I know what I need - another pie or chocolate bar?” Seriously? None of us are perfect but if a person is overweight and unfit, eat better and exercise more. Very simple. I know plenty of people who reach for chocolate when they feel down or lethargic. I think almost everyone knows that eating better and exercising more is the way forward for most (there are exclusions to this). That being the case why isn't everyone doing it? " For the most part, they simply can’t be arsed, there is a culture of ambivalence that has engulfed society | |||
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"Addiction all of the above " We have to be careful with the word 'addiction'. Foods are not neurochemically addictive in the same sense as opiates or nicotine. Some comfort foods are merely habit-forming. Not the same thing. | |||
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"Addiction all of the above We have to be careful with the word 'addiction'. Foods are not neurochemically addictive in the same sense as opiates or nicotine. Some comfort foods are merely habit-forming. Not the same thing." . "There is little evidence to suggest that sugar is addictive in the same way as tobacco, alcohol and other drugs." From British Heart Foundation website. A lot of this guff about ultra processed foods comes from Chris Van Tulleken who's built a nice media career pushing his theories, but much of his work has been debunked or is based on very flimsy evidence. I think he's pushing a theory people want to hear because it absolves them of personal responsibility. | |||
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"Addiction all of the above We have to be careful with the word 'addiction'. Foods are not neurochemically addictive in the same sense as opiates or nicotine. Some comfort foods are merely habit-forming. Not the same thing.. "There is little evidence to suggest that sugar is addictive in the same way as tobacco, alcohol and other drugs." From British Heart Foundation website. A lot of this guff about ultra processed foods comes from Chris Van Tulleken who's built a nice media career pushing his theories, but much of his work has been debunked or is based on very flimsy evidence. I think he's pushing a theory people want to hear because it absolves them of personal responsibility." I agree, and it's a pity because bogus science diverts attention from tackling the real problem. | |||
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"Addiction all of the above " If I was ultra cynical I could say: Do you believe we, as a society, have failed to demonstrate collective or individual responsibility for future generations, and are now facing the consequences of our need to provide excuses rather than face into the hard work of reality? We celebrate coming last, encourage acceptance of being overweight without addressing any underlying issues, place children in front of iPads instead of involving them in real conversations, and constantly provide excuses to dismiss mistakes, laziness, bad habits, or gluttony. The food industry are providing food stuffs that people with excuses want and need.. There are more and more people who want the easier path than the hard path, and it looks like there are people that will help make the journey to the easy way out more acceptable. | |||
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"Addiction all of the above If I was ultra cynical I could say: Do you believe we, as a society, have failed to demonstrate collective or individual responsibility for future generations, and are now facing the consequences of our need to provide excuses rather than face into the hard work of reality? We celebrate coming last, encourage acceptance of being overweight without addressing any underlying issues, place children in front of iPads instead of involving them in real conversations, and constantly provide excuses to dismiss mistakes, laziness, bad habits, or gluttony. The food industry are providing food stuffs that people with excuses want and need.. There are more and more people who want the easier path than the hard path, and it looks like there are people that will help make the journey to the easy way out more acceptable. " Are you ultra cynical? | |||
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"Addiction all of the above If I was ultra cynical I could say: Do you believe we, as a society, have failed to demonstrate collective or individual responsibility for future generations, and are now facing the consequences of our need to provide excuses rather than face into the hard work of reality? We celebrate coming last, encourage acceptance of being overweight without addressing any underlying issues, place children in front of iPads instead of involving them in real conversations, and constantly provide excuses to dismiss mistakes, laziness, bad habits, or gluttony. The food industry are providing food stuffs that people with excuses want and need.. There are more and more people who want the easier path than the hard path, and it looks like there are people that will help make the journey to the easy way out more acceptable. Are you ultra cynical?" I deleted my response, because I wanted to hear your thoughts on the above, do you counter the above or agree?. | |||
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"Google Stanford Joe camel Studies published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) confirmed that Joe Camel is attractive to children. Indeed, a 1991 article published in JAMA reveals that the Old Joe Camel advertisements “are far more successful at marketing Camel cigarettes to children than to adults” based on kids’ ability to recall the character and find him appealing (3). More shocking still is another JAMA publication from 1991 which revealed that 91.3% of 6-year-old children were able to correctly match Old Joe with a picture of a cigarette, nearly the same number of children as were able to match Mickey Mouse with the Disney Channel logo (4)." That is not answering the question. If I was to refer this post to the postI wrote, I could say it is the responsibility of parents and anyone who has influence in a childs education / life to educate and counter the harmful with reasoning. It helps create critical thinking skills which people need. | |||
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"Google advertising and addiction, interesting results." I will give it one more go... You will notice I'm not arguing the fact that advertisers or food manufacturers will and do, provide the stimulus. However, you are still avoiding the post I asked if you agreed or countered, and it would be good to understand exactly why. | |||
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" Cynics never lose, They also never win." You are making an assumption that I'm a cynic all of the time not some of the time... I'm also not interested in winning or losing, how can there be a winner or loser? Wiser maybe? | |||
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" Cynics never lose, They also never win. You are making an assumption that I'm a cynic all of the time not some of the time... I'm also not interested in winning or losing, how can there be a winner or loser? Wiser maybe?" To be really honest...I have better things to do than argue every fine point with you. It's a lovely day out there. | |||
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"Addiction all of the above If I was ultra cynical I could say: Do you believe we, as a society, have failed to demonstrate collective or individual responsibility for future generations, and are now facing the consequences of our need to provide excuses rather than face into the hard work of reality? We celebrate coming last, encourage acceptance of being overweight without addressing any underlying issues, place children in front of iPads instead of involving them in real conversations, and constantly provide excuses to dismiss mistakes, laziness, bad habits, or gluttony. The food industry are providing food stuffs that people with excuses want and need.. There are more and more people who want the easier path than the hard path, and it looks like there are people that will help make the journey to the easy way out more acceptable. " | |||
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" Cynics never lose, They also never win. You are making an assumption that I'm a cynic all of the time not some of the time... I'm also not interested in winning or losing, how can there be a winner or loser? Wiser maybe? To be really honest...I have better things to do than argue every fine point with you. It's a lovely day out there." Fair enough.
we both know there is a problem, my position is I don’t think the problem is the ownership of manufacturers and advertising alone. | |||
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" Cynics never lose, They also never win. You are making an assumption that I'm a cynic all of the time not some of the time... I'm also not interested in winning or losing, how can there be a winner or loser? Wiser maybe? To be really honest...I have better things to do than argue every fine point with you. It's a lovely day out there. Fair enough.
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"For those who are that, it mostly comes down to lack of discipline too. Exactly. Do people really think “I’m feeling a bit down and lethargic today, I know what I need - another pie or chocolate bar?” Seriously? None of us are perfect but if a person is overweight and unfit, eat better and exercise more. Very simple. I know plenty of people who reach for chocolate when they feel down or lethargic. I think almost everyone knows that eating better and exercising more is the way forward for most (there are exclusions to this). That being the case why isn't everyone doing it? For the most part, they simply can’t be arsed, there is a culture of ambivalence that has engulfed society " This, it also comes down to lifestyle choices too. | |||
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"junc food addiction - bet they'll be a lot benefits for that in a bit - PIP maybe lol" You are right there already is many on benefits due to health issues related to diet and other issues. So everyone who shouts out about being responsible should now realise that doesn't work. | |||
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"For those who are that, it mostly comes down to lack of discipline too. Exactly. Do people really think “I’m feeling a bit down and lethargic today, I know what I need - another pie or chocolate bar?” Seriously? None of us are perfect but if a person is overweight and unfit, eat better and exercise more. Very simple. I know plenty of people who reach for chocolate when they feel down or lethargic. I think almost everyone knows that eating better and exercising more is the way forward for most (there are exclusions to this). That being the case why isn't everyone doing it? For the most part, they simply can’t be arsed, there is a culture of ambivalence that has engulfed society This, it also comes down to lifestyle choices too." Right again Shag | |||
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"junc food addiction - bet they'll be a lot benefits for that in a bit - PIP maybe lol You are right there already is many on benefits due to health issues related to diet and other issues. So everyone who shouts out about being responsible should now realise that doesn't work. " This is proof that the country has gone completely mad. Make poor choices and therefore make yourself ill and the rest of us have to pay. People should be penalised for poor choices not rewarded. | |||
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"junc food addiction - bet they'll be a lot benefits for that in a bit - PIP maybe lol You are right there already is many on benefits due to health issues related to diet and other issues. So everyone who shouts out about being responsible should now realise that doesn't work. This is proof that the country has gone completely mad. Make poor choices and therefore make yourself ill and the rest of us have to pay. People should be penalised for poor choices not rewarded." This is why people want to claim its an addiction and not a choice, to keep the benefits flowing. | |||
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"junc food addiction - bet they'll be a lot benefits for that in a bit - PIP maybe lol You are right there already is many on benefits due to health issues related to diet and other issues. So everyone who shouts out about being responsible should now realise that doesn't work. This is proof that the country has gone completely mad. Make poor choices and therefore make yourself ill and the rest of us have to pay. People should be penalised for poor choices not rewarded. This is why people want to claim its an addiction and not a choice, to keep the benefits flowing." Yeah right, all those doctors and other medical professionals are wrong ..and of course you're opinion that is based in no evidence is correct 🤣🤣🤣 | |||
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"junc food addiction - bet they'll be a lot benefits for that in a bit - PIP maybe lol You are right there already is many on benefits due to health issues related to diet and other issues. So everyone who shouts out about being responsible should now realise that doesn't work. This is proof that the country has gone completely mad. Make poor choices and therefore make yourself ill and the rest of us have to pay. People should be penalised for poor choices not rewarded. This is why people want to claim its an addiction and not a choice, to keep the benefits flowing. Yeah right, all those doctors and other medical professionals are wrong ..and of course you're opinion that is based in no evidence is correct 🤣🤣🤣" Trust me, medical professionals fully understand the consequences of poor diet choices, but they are gagged from dispensing forthright, honest advice. This is exactly what's led us to a situation where the NHS now has to spend ££ millions on appetite suppressant drugs. | |||
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"junc food addiction - bet they'll be a lot benefits for that in a bit - PIP maybe lol You are right there already is many on benefits due to health issues related to diet and other issues. So everyone who shouts out about being responsible should now realise that doesn't work. This is proof that the country has gone completely mad. Make poor choices and therefore make yourself ill and the rest of us have to pay. People should be penalised for poor choices not rewarded. This is why people want to claim its an addiction and not a choice, to keep the benefits flowing. Yeah right, all those doctors and other medical professionals are wrong ..and of course you're opinion that is based in no evidence is correct 🤣🤣🤣 Trust me, medical professionals fully understand the consequences of poor diet choices, but they are gagged from dispensing forthright, honest advice. This is exactly what's led us to a situation where the NHS now has to spend ££ millions on appetite suppressant drugs. " What rubbish you're spouting. HCPs are not gagged! | |||
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"The crucial difference between food and substances like nicotine and alcohol is that food is necessary for our survival so craving fat and sugar is an absolutely normal physical response. Of course food companies play on that craving which makes it harder for some people to resist, but the scientific basis for calling this an addiction is very weak and contested. Also, even if people succumb to those cravings they can greatly mitigate the negative effects by increasing physical exercise; again this is not possible with the negative effects of nicotine or alcohol." If you don't feed the body sugar, it does not crave it. If you stop feeding it sugar it will stop craving it! | |||
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"junc food addiction - bet they'll be a lot benefits for that in a bit - PIP maybe lol You are right there already is many on benefits due to health issues related to diet and other issues. So everyone who shouts out about being responsible should now realise that doesn't work. This is proof that the country has gone completely mad. Make poor choices and therefore make yourself ill and the rest of us have to pay. People should be penalised for poor choices not rewarded. This is why people want to claim its an addiction and not a choice, to keep the benefits flowing. Yeah right, all those doctors and other medical professionals are wrong ..and of course you're opinion that is based in no evidence is correct 🤣🤣🤣 Trust me, medical professionals fully understand the consequences of poor diet choices, but they are gagged from dispensing forthright, honest advice. This is exactly what's led us to a situation where the NHS now has to spend ££ millions on appetite suppressant drugs. What rubbish you're spouting. HCPs are not gagged!" Come off it, HCP have to be far more guarded in advice and diagnosis. They stick closely to a script and seldom if ever dispense plain 'common sense' advice. Part of the problem, is that patients increasingly get assessed by underqualified triage nurses instead of doctors. | |||
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"junc food addiction - bet they'll be a lot benefits for that in a bit - PIP maybe lol You are right there already is many on benefits due to health issues related to diet and other issues. So everyone who shouts out about being responsible should now realise that doesn't work. This is proof that the country has gone completely mad. Make poor choices and therefore make yourself ill and the rest of us have to pay. People should be penalised for poor choices not rewarded. This is why people want to claim its an addiction and not a choice, to keep the benefits flowing. Yeah right, all those doctors and other medical professionals are wrong ..and of course you're opinion that is based in no evidence is correct 🤣🤣🤣 Trust me, medical professionals fully understand the consequences of poor diet choices, but they are gagged from dispensing forthright, honest advice. This is exactly what's led us to a situation where the NHS now has to spend ££ millions on appetite suppressant drugs. What rubbish you're spouting. HCPs are not gagged! Come off it, HCP have to be far more guarded in advice and diagnosis. They stick closely to a script and seldom if ever dispense plain 'common sense' advice. Part of the problem, is that patients increasingly get assessed by underqualified triage nurses instead of doctors. " Proof of gagging? Btw when we're discussing nutritional advice you’ll find dietitians to be the experts, not doctors. Obesity is very much a primary care remit, not acute medicine. There's no need for triage, you'll see a nurse or doctor. The nurse may be more qualified in this area than the doctor. There's been a call to raise the length of time student doctors study nutrition. | |||
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"The crucial difference between food and substances like nicotine and alcohol is that food is necessary for our survival so craving fat and sugar is an absolutely normal physical response. Of course food companies play on that craving which makes it harder for some people to resist, but the scientific basis for calling this an addiction is very weak and contested. Also, even if people succumb to those cravings they can greatly mitigate the negative effects by increasing physical exercise; again this is not possible with the negative effects of nicotine or alcohol. If you don't feed the body sugar, it does not crave it. If you stop feeding it sugar it will stop craving it!" Heh ? Sugar in the form of glucose is essential for the body's functions. Of course we don't need lots of extra refined sugars but the craving for sugar is completely natural in the way a craving for alcohol or nicotine is not. | |||
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"junc food addiction - bet they'll be a lot benefits for that in a bit - PIP maybe lol You are right there already is many on benefits due to health issues related to diet and other issues. So everyone who shouts out about being responsible should now realise that doesn't work. This is proof that the country has gone completely mad. Make poor choices and therefore make yourself ill and the rest of us have to pay. People should be penalised for poor choices not rewarded. This is why people want to claim its an addiction and not a choice, to keep the benefits flowing. Yeah right, all those doctors and other medical professionals are wrong ..and of course you're opinion that is based in no evidence is correct 🤣🤣🤣 Trust me, medical professionals fully understand the consequences of poor diet choices, but they are gagged from dispensing forthright, honest advice. This is exactly what's led us to a situation where the NHS now has to spend ££ millions on appetite suppressant drugs. What rubbish you're spouting. HCPs are not gagged! Come off it, HCP have to be far more guarded in advice and diagnosis. They stick closely to a script and seldom if ever dispense plain 'common sense' advice. Part of the problem, is that patients increasingly get assessed by underqualified triage nurses instead of doctors. Proof of gagging? Btw when we're discussing nutritional advice you’ll find dietitians to be the experts, not doctors. Obesity is very much a primary care remit, not acute medicine. There's no need for triage, you'll see a nurse or doctor. The nurse may be more qualified in this area than the doctor. There's been a call to raise the length of time student doctors study nutrition." You reckon? I'll go with the doctor every time thanks | |||
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"So many experts here and most blaming the fat person. If I were amongst you slim forum members, I'd get my triglycerides checked if I were you before making judgement. You may find that some of the fat people are healthier than you. ."You may find there's a big difference between personal responsibility and 'blame'. | |||
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"So many experts here and most blaming the fat person. If I were amongst you slim forum members, I'd get my triglycerides checked if I were you before making judgement. You may find that some of the fat people are healthier than you. ."You are citing outliers and in doing so masking the problem. Common sense alone tells us that poor diet and obesity are precursors of poor health. Why obscure it? | |||
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"So many experts here and most blaming the fat person. If I were amongst you slim forum members, I'd get my triglycerides checked if I were you before making judgement. You may find that some of the fat people are healthier than you. .
You are citing outliers and in doing so masking the problem. Common sense alone tells us that poor diet and obesity are precursors of poor health. Why obscure it?"Exactly, of course there are many unfit slim people and overweight ones who are very healthy in other respects, but on average it is clearly a health disadvantage to be obese. If we can't acknowledge that fact then we really have no chance of tackling obesity. | |||
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"The crucial difference between food and substances like nicotine and alcohol is that food is necessary for our survival so craving fat and sugar is an absolutely normal physical response. Of course food companies play on that craving which makes it harder for some people to resist, but the scientific basis for calling this an addiction is very weak and contested. Also, even if people succumb to those cravings they can greatly mitigate the negative effects by increasing physical exercise; again this is not possible with the negative effects of nicotine or alcohol. If you don't feed the body sugar, it does not crave it. If you stop feeding it sugar it will stop craving it! Heh ? Sugar in the form of glucose is essential for the body's functions. Of course we don't need lots of extra refined sugars but the craving for sugar is completely natural in the way a craving for alcohol or nicotine is not." We don't need refined sugar at all. We don't crave for sugar, however, when blood glucose levels are low, signals are sent to the brain to do something about it, ie eat. | |||
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"junc food addiction - bet they'll be a lot benefits for that in a bit - PIP maybe lol You are right there already is many on benefits due to health issues related to diet and other issues. So everyone who shouts out about being responsible should now realise that doesn't work. This is proof that the country has gone completely mad. Make poor choices and therefore make yourself ill and the rest of us have to pay. People should be penalised for poor choices not rewarded. This is why people want to claim its an addiction and not a choice, to keep the benefits flowing. Yeah right, all those doctors and other medical professionals are wrong ..and of course you're opinion that is based in no evidence is correct 🤣🤣🤣 Trust me, medical professionals fully understand the consequences of poor diet choices, but they are gagged from dispensing forthright, honest advice. This is exactly what's led us to a situation where the NHS now has to spend ££ millions on appetite suppressant drugs. What rubbish you're spouting. HCPs are not gagged! Come off it, HCP have to be far more guarded in advice and diagnosis. They stick closely to a script and seldom if ever dispense plain 'common sense' advice. Part of the problem, is that patients increasingly get assessed by underqualified triage nurses instead of doctors. Proof of gagging? Btw when we're discussing nutritional advice you’ll find dietitians to be the experts, not doctors. Obesity is very much a primary care remit, not acute medicine. There's no need for triage, you'll see a nurse or doctor. The nurse may be more qualified in this area than the doctor. There's been a call to raise the length of time student doctors study nutrition. You reckon? I'll go with the doctor every time thanks "Being a HCP whose dissertation was obesity, I don't reckon, I know. | |||
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"junc food addiction - bet they'll be a lot benefits for that in a bit - PIP maybe lol You are right there already is many on benefits due to health issues related to diet and other issues. So everyone who shouts out about being responsible should now realise that doesn't work. This is proof that the country has gone completely mad. Make poor choices and therefore make yourself ill and the rest of us have to pay. People should be penalised for poor choices not rewarded. This is why people want to claim its an addiction and not a choice, to keep the benefits flowing. Yeah right, all those doctors and other medical professionals are wrong ..and of course you're opinion that is based in no evidence is correct 🤣🤣🤣 Trust me, medical professionals fully understand the consequences of poor diet choices, but they are gagged from dispensing forthright, honest advice. This is exactly what's led us to a situation where the NHS now has to spend ££ millions on appetite suppressant drugs. What rubbish you're spouting. HCPs are not gagged! Come off it, HCP have to be far more guarded in advice and diagnosis. They stick closely to a script and seldom if ever dispense plain 'common sense' advice. Part of the problem, is that patients increasingly get assessed by underqualified triage nurses instead of doctors. Proof of gagging? Btw when we're discussing nutritional advice you’ll find dietitians to be the experts, not doctors. Obesity is very much a primary care remit, not acute medicine. There's no need for triage, you'll see a nurse or doctor. The nurse may be more qualified in this area than the doctor. There's been a call to raise the length of time student doctors study nutrition. You reckon? I'll go with the doctor every time thanks
Being a HCP whose dissertation was obesity, I don't reckon, I know."Me too. I'll stick with the Doc. | |||
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"So many experts here and most blaming the fat person. If I were amongst you slim forum members, I'd get my triglycerides checked if I were you before making judgement. You may find that some of the fat people are healthier than you. .
You may find there's a big difference between personal responsibility and 'blame'."And the connection to my post is? | |||
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"So many experts here and most blaming the fat person. If I were amongst you slim forum members, I'd get my triglycerides checked if I were you before making judgement. You may find that some of the fat people are healthier than you. .
You are citing outliers and in doing so masking the problem. Common sense alone tells us that poor diet and obesity are precursors of poor health. Why obscure it?"One cannot obscure obesity as in layman's knowledge  . However, there are worse fats. In fact, high adiposity, even though it brings a huge array of health issues, can actually have a benefit.... | |||
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"So many experts here and most blaming the fat person. If I were amongst you slim forum members, I'd get my triglycerides checked if I were you before making judgement. You may find that some of the fat people are healthier than you. .
You are citing outliers and in doing so masking the problem. Common sense alone tells us that poor diet and obesity are precursors of poor health. Why obscure it?
Exactly, of course there are many unfit slim people and overweight ones who are very healthy in other respects, but on average it is clearly a health disadvantage to be obese. If we can't acknowledge that fact then we really have no chance of tackling obesity."We will have a greater chance of tackling obesity if the stigma is removed, and we accept there are multifactorial causes. There is evidence it starts in the womb. | |||
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"junc food addiction - bet they'll be a lot benefits for that in a bit - PIP maybe lol You are right there already is many on benefits due to health issues related to diet and other issues. So everyone who shouts out about being responsible should now realise that doesn't work. This is proof that the country has gone completely mad. Make poor choices and therefore make yourself ill and the rest of us have to pay. People should be penalised for poor choices not rewarded. This is why people want to claim its an addiction and not a choice, to keep the benefits flowing. Yeah right, all those doctors and other medical professionals are wrong ..and of course you're opinion that is based in no evidence is correct 🤣🤣🤣 Trust me, medical professionals fully understand the consequences of poor diet choices, but they are gagged from dispensing forthright, honest advice. This is exactly what's led us to a situation where the NHS now has to spend ££ millions on appetite suppressant drugs. What rubbish you're spouting. HCPs are not gagged! Come off it, HCP have to be far more guarded in advice and diagnosis. They stick closely to a script and seldom if ever dispense plain 'common sense' advice. Part of the problem, is that patients increasingly get assessed by underqualified triage nurses instead of doctors. Proof of gagging? Btw when we're discussing nutritional advice you’ll find dietitians to be the experts, not doctors. Obesity is very much a primary care remit, not acute medicine. There's no need for triage, you'll see a nurse or doctor. The nurse may be more qualified in this area than the doctor. There's been a call to raise the length of time student doctors study nutrition. You reckon? I'll go with the doctor every time thanks
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Me too. I'll stick with the Doc."You did a dissertation on obesity... we could compare notes .
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"So many experts here and most blaming the fat person. If I were amongst you slim forum members, I'd get my triglycerides checked if I were you before making judgement. You may find that some of the fat people are healthier than you. .
You are citing outliers and in doing so masking the problem. Common sense alone tells us that poor diet and obesity are precursors of poor health. Why obscure it?
Exactly, of course there are many unfit slim people and overweight ones who are very healthy in other respects, but on average it is clearly a health disadvantage to be obese. If we can't acknowledge that fact then we really have no chance of tackling obesity.
We will have a greater chance of tackling obesity if the stigma is removed, and we accept there are multifactorial causes. There is evidence it starts in the womb. "By far our best chance to tackle obesity is to tell the plain truth on causes. No outliers, no obscure medical cases, just the facts as they apply to the vast majority of people. | |||
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"So many experts here and most blaming the fat person. If I were amongst you slim forum members, I'd get my triglycerides checked if I were you before making judgement. You may find that some of the fat people are healthier than you. .
You are citing outliers and in doing so masking the problem. Common sense alone tells us that poor diet and obesity are precursors of poor health. Why obscure it?
Exactly, of course there are many unfit slim people and overweight ones who are very healthy in other respects, but on average it is clearly a health disadvantage to be obese. If we can't acknowledge that fact then we really have no chance of tackling obesity.
We will have a greater chance of tackling obesity if the stigma is removed, and we accept there are multifactorial causes. There is evidence it starts in the womb.
By far our best chance to tackle obesity is to tell the plain truth on causes. No outliers, no obscure medical cases, just the facts as they apply to the vast majority of people."Oh but you're wrong if you are indeed a HCP, or are you an AHP? As a HCP I would tailor advice to my patient. But if you mean we as in public health, education system, government, there are further steps we can take. | |||
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"Why is everyone who works in the NHS now a Health Care Professional? "Indeed, and what about those pesky patients (aka customers), don't we qualify to comment? | |||
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"Why is everyone who works in the NHS now a Health Care Professional?
Indeed, and what about those pesky patients (aka customers), don't we qualify to comment?"Not unless you've completed your PhD first! With NHS waiting lists you've got plenty of time for that. | |||
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"Why is everyone who works in the NHS now a Health Care Professional? "Actually HCP and AHP are qualification based. Examples doctors and nurses are HCPs, occupational and physiothera@pists are AHPs. | |||
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"Why is everyone who works in the NHS now a Health Care Professional?
Indeed, and what about those pesky patients (aka customers), don't we qualify to comment?
Not unless you've completed your PhD first! With NHS waiting lists you've got plenty of time for that."It might interest you to know that a nurse is more likely to attain a PhD than a doctor | |||
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" We will have a greater chance of tackling obesity if the stigma is removed, and we accept there are multifactorial causes. There is evidence it starts in the womb. Strange because the most successful public health campaign of our times, the reduction of smoking, was heavily focused on stigmatising the habit. So you want to stigmatise eating? "No, obesity. | |||
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No, obesity.
Shall we stigmatised cardiac problems too? "No, just the obesity which would then help reduce the heart issues. | |||
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" We will have a greater chance of tackling obesity if the stigma is removed, and we accept there are multifactorial causes. There is evidence it starts in the womb. Strange because the most successful public health campaign of our times, the reduction of smoking, was heavily focused on stigmatising the habit. So you want to stigmatise eating?
No, obesity.
Shall we stigmatised cardiac problems too?
No, just the obesity which would then help reduce the heart issues. "What about the heart issues that are caused by triglycerides? | |||
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" We will have a greater chance of tackling obesity if the stigma is removed, and we accept there are multifactorial causes. There is evidence it starts in the womb. Strange because the most successful public health campaign of our times, the reduction of smoking, was heavily focused on stigmatising the habit. So you want to stigmatise eating?
No, obesity.
Shall we stigmatised cardiac problems too?
No, just the obesity which would then help reduce the heart issues.
What about the heart issues that are caused by triglycerides?"So risk of heart issues is not raised by obesity ? This is a stunning medical revelation! | |||
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" We will have a greater chance of tackling obesity if the stigma is removed, and we accept there are multifactorial causes. There is evidence it starts in the womb. Strange because the most successful public health campaign of our times, the reduction of smoking, was heavily focused on stigmatising the habit. So you want to stigmatise eating?
No, obesity.
Shall we stigmatised cardiac problems too?
No, just the obesity which would then help reduce the heart issues.
What about the heart issues that are caused by triglycerides?""Triglycerides are a common fat that store unused calories and excess energy as body fat. If you consume more calories than your body burns, you may gain weight and have higher triglyceride levels." Do some exercise to burn those calories.... It seems quite simple. | |||
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" We will have a greater chance of tackling obesity if the stigma is removed, and we accept there are multifactorial causes. There is evidence it starts in the womb. Strange because the most successful public health campaign of our times, the reduction of smoking, was heavily focused on stigmatising the habit. So you want to stigmatise eating?
No, obesity.
Shall we stigmatised cardiac problems too?
No, just the obesity which would then help reduce the heart issues.
What about the heart issues that are caused by triglycerides?
So risk of heart issues is not raised by obesity ? This is a stunning medical revelation! "Oh dear, bless you but don't put words in my mouth. Instead, try answering the question. | |||
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" We will have a greater chance of tackling obesity if the stigma is removed, and we accept there are multifactorial causes. There is evidence it starts in the womb. Strange because the most successful public health campaign of our times, the reduction of smoking, was heavily focused on stigmatising the habit. So you want to stigmatise eating?
No, obesity.
Shall we stigmatised cardiac problems too?
No, just the obesity which would then help reduce the heart issues.
What about the heart issues that are caused by triglycerides?
"Triglycerides are a common fat that store unused calories and excess energy as body fat. If you consume more calories than your body burns, you may gain weight and have higher triglyceride levels."
Do some exercise to burn those calories....
It seems quite simple. "So glad that to you it seems simple. If you have a low adiposity (fat stored at the subcutaneous level), then you have low visceral and kidney adiposity (fat stored around organs), you may not even start to think that perhaps triglycerides have entered your organs. So you might not think to alter your diet and increase movement. These are the people who are fat on the inside and don't have a clue. | |||
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" We will have a greater chance of tackling obesity if the stigma is removed, and we accept there are multifactorial causes. There is evidence it starts in the womb. Strange because the most successful public health campaign of our times, the reduction of smoking, was heavily focused on stigmatising the habit. So you want to stigmatise eating?
No, obesity.
Shall we stigmatised cardiac problems too?
No, just the obesity which would then help reduce the heart issues.
What about the heart issues that are caused by triglycerides?
"Triglycerides are a common fat that store unused calories and excess energy as body fat. If you consume more calories than your body burns, you may gain weight and have higher triglyceride levels."
Do some exercise to burn those calories....
It seems quite simple.
So glad that to you it seems simple. If you have a low adiposity (fat stored at the subcutaneous level), then you have low visceral and kidney adiposity (fat stored around organs), you may not even start to think that perhaps triglycerides have entered your organs. So you might not think to alter your diet and increase movement. These are the people who are fat on the inside and don't have a clue."These are the people who are outliers. You've continually tried to add outliers to this discussion to make some kind of point. And whilst we will find those people, it's not the truth for the majority. | |||
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" We will have a greater chance of tackling obesity if the stigma is removed, and we accept there are multifactorial causes. There is evidence it starts in the womb. Strange because the most successful public health campaign of our times, the reduction of smoking, was heavily focused on stigmatising the habit. So you want to stigmatise eating?
No, obesity.
Shall we stigmatised cardiac problems too?
No, just the obesity which would then help reduce the heart issues.
What about the heart issues that are caused by triglycerides?
"Triglycerides are a common fat that store unused calories and excess energy as body fat. If you consume more calories than your body burns, you may gain weight and have higher triglyceride levels."
Do some exercise to burn those calories....
It seems quite simple.
So glad that to you it seems simple. If you have a low adiposity (fat stored at the subcutaneous level), then you have low visceral and kidney adiposity (fat stored around organs), you may not even start to think that perhaps triglycerides have entered your organs. So you might not think to alter your diet and increase movement. These are the people who are fat on the inside and don't have a clue.
These are the people who are outliers.
You've continually tried to add outliers to this discussion to make some kind of point. And whilst we will find those people, it's not the truth for the majority. "Crucial point. Of course in a minority of cases obesity is linked to genetics and medical conditions but these would be stable over time, so could not account for the huge recent increases in obesity. These are quite obviously due to poor eating and exercise habits, which ultimately are a matter of personal responsibility. | |||
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" We will have a greater chance of tackling obesity if the stigma is removed, and we accept there are multifactorial causes. There is evidence it starts in the womb. Strange because the most successful public health campaign of our times, the reduction of smoking, was heavily focused on stigmatising the habit. So you want to stigmatise eating?
No, obesity.
Shall we stigmatised cardiac problems too?
No, just the obesity which would then help reduce the heart issues.
What about the heart issues that are caused by triglycerides?
"Triglycerides are a common fat that store unused calories and excess energy as body fat. If you consume more calories than your body burns, you may gain weight and have higher triglyceride levels."
Do some exercise to burn those calories....
It seems quite simple.
So glad that to you it seems simple. If you have a low adiposity (fat stored at the subcutaneous level), then you have low visceral and kidney adiposity (fat stored around organs), you may not even start to think that perhaps triglycerides have entered your organs. So you might not think to alter your diet and increase movement. These are the people who are fat on the inside and don't have a clue.
These are the people who are outliers.
You've continually tried to add outliers to this discussion to make some kind of point. And whilst we will find those people, it's not the truth for the majority. "Watch the news my friend as more and more people die "unexpectedly" from heart attacks - athletes, footballers, ordinary apparently "healthy" people. You assume these are outliers. But hey let's just stigmatise the fat person (who has a high adiposity threshold). | |||
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" We will have a greater chance of tackling obesity if the stigma is removed, and we accept there are multifactorial causes. There is evidence it starts in the womb. Strange because the most successful public health campaign of our times, the reduction of smoking, was heavily focused on stigmatising the habit. So you want to stigmatise eating?
No, obesity.
Shall we stigmatised cardiac problems too?
No, just the obesity which would then help reduce the heart issues.
What about the heart issues that are caused by triglycerides?
"Triglycerides are a common fat that store unused calories and excess energy as body fat. If you consume more calories than your body burns, you may gain weight and have higher triglyceride levels."
Do some exercise to burn those calories....
It seems quite simple.
So glad that to you it seems simple. If you have a low adiposity (fat stored at the subcutaneous level), then you have low visceral and kidney adiposity (fat stored around organs), you may not even start to think that perhaps triglycerides have entered your organs. So you might not think to alter your diet and increase movement. These are the people who are fat on the inside and don't have a clue.
These are the people who are outliers.
You've continually tried to add outliers to this discussion to make some kind of point. And whilst we will find those people, it's not the truth for the majority.
Watch the news my friend as more and more people die "unexpectedly" from heart attacks - athletes, footballers, ordinary apparently "healthy" people. You assume these are outliers.
But hey let's just stigmatise the fat person (who has a high adiposity threshold)."none of them are anything to with vax obvs 🙄thats safe and effective | |||
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"Eat less and cleaner whole foods and move quicker, simple as that " For the majority it really is. | |||
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" We will have a greater chance of tackling obesity if the stigma is removed, and we accept there are multifactorial causes. There is evidence it starts in the womb. Strange because the most successful public health campaign of our times, the reduction of smoking, was heavily focused on stigmatising the habit. So you want to stigmatise eating?
No, obesity.
Shall we stigmatised cardiac problems too?
No, just the obesity which would then help reduce the heart issues.
What about the heart issues that are caused by triglycerides?
"Triglycerides are a common fat that store unused calories and excess energy as body fat. If you consume more calories than your body burns, you may gain weight and have higher triglyceride levels."
Do some exercise to burn those calories....
It seems quite simple.
So glad that to you it seems simple. If you have a low adiposity (fat stored at the subcutaneous level), then you have low visceral and kidney adiposity (fat stored around organs), you may not even start to think that perhaps triglycerides have entered your organs. So you might not think to alter your diet and increase movement. These are the people who are fat on the inside and don't have a clue.
These are the people who are outliers.
You've continually tried to add outliers to this discussion to make some kind of point. And whilst we will find those people, it's not the truth for the majority.
Crucial point. Of course in a minority of cases obesity is linked to genetics and medical conditions but these would be stable over time, so could not account for the huge recent increases in obesity. These are quite obviously due to poor eating and exercise habits, which ultimately are a matter of personal responsibility."you know what for the two seconds it takes to post this I'm going to bow down to the lay expert on the forum and ignore the copious hours I spent on researching the subject and learning about different types of adiposity issues with obesity being one, the multifactorial causes. Getting an outstanding result, but nah I know nothing! 😂😂😂😂 | |||
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" We will have a greater chance of tackling obesity if the stigma is removed, and we accept there are multifactorial causes. There is evidence it starts in the womb. Strange because the most successful public health campaign of our times, the reduction of smoking, was heavily focused on stigmatising the habit. So you want to stigmatise eating?
No, obesity.
Shall we stigmatised cardiac problems too?
No, just the obesity which would then help reduce the heart issues.
What about the heart issues that are caused by triglycerides?
"Triglycerides are a common fat that store unused calories and excess energy as body fat. If you consume more calories than your body burns, you may gain weight and have higher triglyceride levels."
Do some exercise to burn those calories....
It seems quite simple.
So glad that to you it seems simple. If you have a low adiposity (fat stored at the subcutaneous level), then you have low visceral and kidney adiposity (fat stored around organs), you may not even start to think that perhaps triglycerides have entered your organs. So you might not think to alter your diet and increase movement. These are the people who are fat on the inside and don't have a clue.
These are the people who are outliers.
You've continually tried to add outliers to this discussion to make some kind of point. And whilst we will find those people, it's not the truth for the majority.
Watch the news my friend as more and more people die "unexpectedly" from heart attacks - athletes, footballers, ordinary apparently "healthy" people. You assume these are outliers.
But hey let's just stigmatise the fat person (who has a high adiposity threshold).none of them are anything to with vax obvs 🙄thats safe and effective "I knew someone would come along with that old chestnut, ta muchly 😂 | |||
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" We will have a greater chance of tackling obesity if the stigma is removed, and we accept there are multifactorial causes. There is evidence it starts in the womb. Strange because the most successful public health campaign of our times, the reduction of smoking, was heavily focused on stigmatising the habit. So you want to stigmatise eating?
No, obesity.
Shall we stigmatised cardiac problems too?
No, just the obesity which would then help reduce the heart issues.
What about the heart issues that are caused by triglycerides?
"Triglycerides are a common fat that store unused calories and excess energy as body fat. If you consume more calories than your body burns, you may gain weight and have higher triglyceride levels."
Do some exercise to burn those calories....
It seems quite simple.
So glad that to you it seems simple. If you have a low adiposity (fat stored at the subcutaneous level), then you have low visceral and kidney adiposity (fat stored around organs), you may not even start to think that perhaps triglycerides have entered your organs. So you might not think to alter your diet and increase movement. These are the people who are fat on the inside and don't have a clue.
These are the people who are outliers.
You've continually tried to add outliers to this discussion to make some kind of point. And whilst we will find those people, it's not the truth for the majority.
Watch the news my friend as more and more people die "unexpectedly" from heart attacks - athletes, footballers, ordinary apparently "healthy" people. You assume these are outliers.
But hey let's just stigmatise the fat person (who has a high adiposity threshold).none of them are anything to with vax obvs 🙄thats safe and effective
I knew someone would come along with that old chestnut, ta muchly 😂"oh silly me i meant long covid | |||
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" We will have a greater chance of tackling obesity if the stigma is removed, and we accept there are multifactorial causes. There is evidence it starts in the womb. Strange because the most successful public health campaign of our times, the reduction of smoking, was heavily focused on stigmatising the habit. So you want to stigmatise eating?
No, obesity.
Shall we stigmatised cardiac problems too?
No, just the obesity which would then help reduce the heart issues.
What about the heart issues that are caused by triglycerides?
"Triglycerides are a common fat that store unused calories and excess energy as body fat. If you consume more calories than your body burns, you may gain weight and have higher triglyceride levels."
Do some exercise to burn those calories....
It seems quite simple.
So glad that to you it seems simple. If you have a low adiposity (fat stored at the subcutaneous level), then you have low visceral and kidney adiposity (fat stored around organs), you may not even start to think that perhaps triglycerides have entered your organs. So you might not think to alter your diet and increase movement. These are the people who are fat on the inside and don't have a clue.
These are the people who are outliers.
You've continually tried to add outliers to this discussion to make some kind of point. And whilst we will find those people, it's not the truth for the majority.
Watch the news my friend as more and more people die "unexpectedly" from heart attacks - athletes, footballers, ordinary apparently "healthy" people. You assume these are outliers.
But hey let's just stigmatise the fat person (who has a high adiposity threshold)."You've already 'laughed at' the covid vaccine comment, however, rates were falling from 2008, and suddenly rose after 2020. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but you can't actually debunk that, can you? | |||
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" We will have a greater chance of tackling obesity if the stigma is removed, and we accept there are multifactorial causes. There is evidence it starts in the womb. Strange because the most successful public health campaign of our times, the reduction of smoking, was heavily focused on stigmatising the habit. So you want to stigmatise eating?
No, obesity.
Shall we stigmatised cardiac problems too?
No, just the obesity which would then help reduce the heart issues.
What about the heart issues that are caused by triglycerides?
"Triglycerides are a common fat that store unused calories and excess energy as body fat. If you consume more calories than your body burns, you may gain weight and have higher triglyceride levels."
Do some exercise to burn those calories....
It seems quite simple.
So glad that to you it seems simple. If you have a low adiposity (fat stored at the subcutaneous level), then you have low visceral and kidney adiposity (fat stored around organs), you may not even start to think that perhaps triglycerides have entered your organs. So you might not think to alter your diet and increase movement. These are the people who are fat on the inside and don't have a clue.
These are the people who are outliers.
You've continually tried to add outliers to this discussion to make some kind of point. And whilst we will find those people, it's not the truth for the majority.
Watch the news my friend as more and more people die "unexpectedly" from heart attacks - athletes, footballers, ordinary apparently "healthy" people. You assume these are outliers.
But hey let's just stigmatise the fat person (who has a high adiposity threshold).
You've already 'laughed at' the covid vaccine comment, however, rates were falling from 2008, and suddenly rose after 2020.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist but you can't actually debunk that, can you?"have a look at 30-50 year old male numbers | |||
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"I shall leave the thread to the obesity fab experts. Well done OP for trying to raise the profile of obesity but these threads always go the same way. People are only interested in spouting "their knowledge". " All any of us can do is share our knowledge. You seem upset that others don't accept your claim to expertise when it's not supported by your evidence. I think this has been an interesting and informative thread. | |||
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"I shall leave the thread to the obesity fab experts. Well done OP for trying to raise the profile of obesity but these threads always go the same way. People are only interested in spouting "their knowledge". All any of us can do is share our knowledge. You seem upset that others don't accept your claim to expertise when it's not supported by your evidence. I think this has been an interesting and informative thread. "Ok I'm nosy, had to look 😂 I haven't shared evidence (I left that in my dissertation, 175 posts wouldn't be enough). I passed my degree with flying colours. People here want to refute my knowledge? Go at it. | |||
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"I shall leave the thread to the obesity fab experts. Well done OP for trying to raise the profile of obesity but these threads always go the same way. People are only interested in spouting "their knowledge". All any of us can do is share our knowledge. You seem upset that others don't accept your claim to expertise when it's not supported by your evidence. I think this has been an interesting and informative thread.
Ok I'm nosy, had to look 😂
I haven't shared evidence (I left that in my dissertation, 175 posts wouldn't be enough). I passed my degree with flying colours. People here want to refute my knowledge? Go at it. "It's been pointed put that you are citing extreme outliers (footballers having heart attacks) to claim that obesity is not primarily a lifestyle issue. No expertise is needed to see what a weak argument you're making but your response is to double down, which is your choice of course. | |||
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"I shall leave the thread to the obesity fab experts. Well done OP for trying to raise the profile of obesity but these threads always go the same way. People are only interested in spouting "their knowledge". All any of us can do is share our knowledge. You seem upset that others don't accept your claim to expertise when it's not supported by your evidence. I think this has been an interesting and informative thread.
Ok I'm nosy, had to look 😂
I haven't shared evidence (I left that in my dissertation, 175 posts wouldn't be enough). I passed my degree with flying colours. People here want to refute my knowledge? Go at it. "I'm afraid the days are gone when a Certificate on the wall allowed professionals to do and say anything without challenge. Experts are more open to scrutiny nowadays, and if what you say doesn't seem plausible, it's reasonable to have that pointed out. That makes research and safe more rigorous, no? | |||
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"I shall leave the thread to the obesity fab experts. Well done OP for trying to raise the profile of obesity but these threads always go the same way. People are only interested in spouting "their knowledge". " All you’ve done is throw a few outliers into the mix and claim superior knowledge. Give us some percentages, because right now your argument is akin to me saying my grandmother lived to 95 and smoked for 80 years…ergo smoking isn’t bad for everyone. | |||
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"I shall leave the thread to the obesity fab experts. Well done OP for trying to raise the profile of obesity but these threads always go the same way. People are only interested in spouting "their knowledge". All any of us can do is share our knowledge. You seem upset that others don't accept your claim to expertise when it's not supported by your evidence. I think this has been an interesting and informative thread.
Ok I'm nosy, had to look 😂
I haven't shared evidence (I left that in my dissertation, 175 posts wouldn't be enough). I passed my degree with flying colours. People here want to refute my knowledge? Go at it.
It's been pointed put that you are citing extreme outliers (footballers having heart attacks) to claim that obesity is not primarily a lifestyle issue. No expertise is needed to see what a weak argument you're making but your response is to double down, which is your choice of course."Oh dear, bless ya, not having stated something is not the same as stating something negatively. | |||
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"I shall leave the thread to the obesity fab experts. Well done OP for trying to raise the profile of obesity but these threads always go the same way. People are only interested in spouting "their knowledge". All any of us can do is share our knowledge. You seem upset that others don't accept your claim to expertise when it's not supported by your evidence. I think this has been an interesting and informative thread.
Ok I'm nosy, had to look 😂
I haven't shared evidence (I left that in my dissertation, 175 posts wouldn't be enough). I passed my degree with flying colours. People here want to refute my knowledge? Go at it.
I'm afraid the days are gone when a Certificate on the wall allowed professionals to do and say anything without challenge. Experts are more open to scrutiny nowadays, and if what you say doesn't seem plausible, it's reasonable to have that pointed out. That makes research and safe more rigorous, no?", being challenged on a forum makes research rigorous now does it? 😂 | |||
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"I shall leave the thread to the obesity fab experts. Well done OP for trying to raise the profile of obesity but these threads always go the same way. People are only interested in spouting "their knowledge". All any of us can do is share our knowledge. You seem upset that others don't accept your claim to expertise when it's not supported by your evidence. I think this has been an interesting and informative thread.
Ok I'm nosy, had to look 😂
I haven't shared evidence (I left that in my dissertation, 175 posts wouldn't be enough). I passed my degree with flying colours. People here want to refute my knowledge? Go at it.
I'm afraid the days are gone when a Certificate on the wall allowed professionals to do and say anything without challenge. Experts are more open to scrutiny nowadays, and if what you say doesn't seem plausible, it's reasonable to have that pointed out. That makes research and safe more rigorous, no?
, being challenged on a forum makes research rigorous now does it? 😂"Why not? Who knows who we're chatting with on here. But don't assume everybody is unknowledgeable on the topic. | |||
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"I shall leave the thread to the obesity fab experts. Well done OP for trying to raise the profile of obesity but these threads always go the same way. People are only interested in spouting "their knowledge". All you’ve done is throw a few outliers into the mix and claim superior knowledge. Give us some percentages, because right now your argument is akin to me saying my grandmother lived to 95 and smoked for 80 years…ergo smoking isn’t bad for everyone. " Actually, what I have done is give food for thought . I have stated the different ways fat is deposited in the body. I have stated there are many causes of obesity. What I haven't stated is about obesity being a lifestyle choice - ie poor food choices, over eating, over eating nutritionally deficit and calrific dense foods (for some people this is Hobsons choice). What I haven't stated is that for the majority of people, addressing this issue will help to correct obesity.
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"I shall leave the thread to the obesity fab experts. Well done OP for trying to raise the profile of obesity but these threads always go the same way. People are only interested in spouting "their knowledge". All you’ve done is throw a few outliers into the mix and claim superior knowledge. Give us some percentages, because right now your argument is akin to me saying my grandmother lived to 95 and smoked for 80 years…ergo smoking isn’t bad for everyone. Actually, what I have done is give food for thought . I have stated the different ways fat is deposited in the body. I have stated there are many causes of obesity. What I haven't stated is about obesity being a lifestyle choice - ie poor food choices, over eating, over eating nutritionally deficit and calrific dense foods (for some people this is Hobsons choice). What I haven't stated is that for the majority of people, addressing this issue will help to correct obesity.
Does that make you lot a bit happier now? 😂"Yes fair enough, but as somebody with a technical background what I'm missing in this discussion is a measure of scale. So for example, something like this. Causes of obesity: Poor diet and/or no exercise 85% Medical conditions 15% Then it would be clear where to put the focus on improving public health. | |||
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"I shall leave the thread to the obesity fab experts. Well done OP for trying to raise the profile of obesity but these threads always go the same way. People are only interested in spouting "their knowledge". All you’ve done is throw a few outliers into the mix and claim superior knowledge. Give us some percentages, because right now your argument is akin to me saying my grandmother lived to 95 and smoked for 80 years…ergo smoking isn’t bad for everyone. Actually, what I have done is give food for thought . I have stated the different ways fat is deposited in the body. I have stated there are many causes of obesity. What I haven't stated is about obesity being a lifestyle choice - ie poor food choices, over eating, over eating nutritionally deficit and calrific dense foods (for some people this is Hobsons choice). What I haven't stated is that for the majority of people, addressing this issue will help to correct obesity.
Does that make you lot a bit happier now? 😂
Yes fair enough, but as somebody with a technical background what I'm missing in this discussion is a measure of scale. So for example, something like this.
Causes of obesity:
Poor diet and/or no exercise 85%
Medical conditions 15%
Then it would be clear where to put the focus on improving public health."You want the stats, go get them. I haven't got them. If I did they'd probably be updated now. There was an interesting series of x number of obese people from the UK travelling the world to see the obesity problem and how it's dealt with. The government should do similar. | |||
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"I shall leave the thread to the obesity fab experts. Well done OP for trying to raise the profile of obesity but these threads always go the same way. People are only interested in spouting "their knowledge". All you’ve done is throw a few outliers into the mix and claim superior knowledge. Give us some percentages, because right now your argument is akin to me saying my grandmother lived to 95 and smoked for 80 years…ergo smoking isn’t bad for everyone. Actually, what I have done is give food for thought . I have stated the different ways fat is deposited in the body. I have stated there are many causes of obesity. What I haven't stated is about obesity being a lifestyle choice - ie poor food choices, over eating, over eating nutritionally deficit and calrific dense foods (for some people this is Hobsons choice). What I haven't stated is that for the majority of people, addressing this issue will help to correct obesity.
Does that make you lot a bit happier now? 😂
Yes fair enough, but as somebody with a technical background what I'm missing in this discussion is a measure of scale. So for example, something like this.
Causes of obesity:
Poor diet and/or no exercise 85%
Medical conditions 15%
Then it would be clear where to put the focus on improving public health.
You want the stats, go get them. I haven't got them. If I did they'd probably be updated now.
There was an interesting series of x number of obese people from the UK travelling the world to see the obesity problem and how it's dealt with. The government should do similar."You've repeatedly stressed your expertise and professional experience in this field but you don't have any stats ? | |||
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"I shall leave the thread to the obesity fab experts. Well done OP for trying to raise the profile of obesity but these threads always go the same way. People are only interested in spouting "their knowledge". All you’ve done is throw a few outliers into the mix and claim superior knowledge. Give us some percentages, because right now your argument is akin to me saying my grandmother lived to 95 and smoked for 80 years…ergo smoking isn’t bad for everyone. Actually, what I have done is give food for thought . I have stated the different ways fat is deposited in the body. I have stated there are many causes of obesity. What I haven't stated is about obesity being a lifestyle choice - ie poor food choices, over eating, over eating nutritionally deficit and calrific dense foods (for some people this is Hobsons choice). What I haven't stated is that for the majority of people, addressing this issue will help to correct obesity.
Does that make you lot a bit happier now? 😂
Yes fair enough, but as somebody with a technical background what I'm missing in this discussion is a measure of scale. So for example, something like this.
Causes of obesity:
Poor diet and/or no exercise 85%
Medical conditions 15%
Then it would be clear where to put the focus on improving public health.
You want the stats, go get them. I haven't got them. If I did they'd probably be updated now.
There was an interesting series of x number of obese people from the UK travelling the world to see the obesity problem and how it's dealt with. The government should do similar.
You've repeatedly stressed your expertise and professional experience in this field but you don't have any stats ? "I do have stats if I want to drag them out, but not the ones asked for. Shame innit .
Interesting facts (well they interest me): men are better at assessing women's obesity level (the three categories), women are better at assessing themselves, however, most people assess at lease one stage lower as obesity has been normalised ie those at obesity I is viewed as overweight, those at II viewed as I, and so on. | |||
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"junc food addiction - bet they'll be a lot benefits for that in a bit - PIP maybe lol You are right there already is many on benefits due to health issues related to diet and other issues. So everyone who shouts out about being responsible should now realise that doesn't work. This is proof that the country has gone completely mad. Make poor choices and therefore make yourself ill and the rest of us have to pay. People should be penalised for poor choices not rewarded. This is why people want to claim its an addiction and not a choice, to keep the benefits flowing. Yeah right, all those doctors and other medical professionals are wrong ..and of course you're opinion that is based in no evidence is correct 🤣🤣🤣 Trust me, medical professionals fully understand the consequences of poor diet choices, but they are gagged from dispensing forthright, honest advice. This is exactly what's led us to a situation where the NHS now has to spend ££ millions on appetite suppressant drugs. What rubbish you're spouting. HCPs are not gagged! Come off it, HCP have to be far more guarded in advice and diagnosis. They stick closely to a script and seldom if ever dispense plain 'common sense' advice. Part of the problem, is that patients increasingly get assessed by underqualified triage nurses instead of doctors. Proof of gagging? Btw when we're discussing nutritional advice you’ll find dietitians to be the experts, not doctors. Obesity is very much a primary care remit, not acute medicine. There's no need for triage, you'll see a nurse or doctor. The nurse may be more qualified in this area than the doctor. There's been a call to raise the length of time student doctors study nutrition. You reckon? I'll go with the doctor every time thanks
Being a HCP whose dissertation was obesity, I don't reckon, I know.
Me too. I'll stick with the Doc.
You did a dissertation on obesity... we could compare notes .
I'll stick with me "No thanks I will go with my G.P for no other reason he is a person I see in real life. You are not which is vice versa. | |||
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"junc food addiction - bet they'll be a lot benefits for that in a bit - PIP maybe lol You are right there already is many on benefits due to health issues related to diet and other issues. So everyone who shouts out about being responsible should now realise that doesn't work. This is proof that the country has gone completely mad. Make poor choices and therefore make yourself ill and the rest of us have to pay. People should be penalised for poor choices not rewarded. This is why people want to claim its an addiction and not a choice, to keep the benefits flowing. Yeah right, all those doctors and other medical professionals are wrong ..and of course you're opinion that is based in no evidence is correct 🤣🤣🤣 Trust me, medical professionals fully understand the consequences of poor diet choices, but they are gagged from dispensing forthright, honest advice. This is exactly what's led us to a situation where the NHS now has to spend ££ millions on appetite suppressant drugs. What rubbish you're spouting. HCPs are not gagged! Come off it, HCP have to be far more guarded in advice and diagnosis. They stick closely to a script and seldom if ever dispense plain 'common sense' advice. Part of the problem, is that patients increasingly get assessed by underqualified triage nurses instead of doctors. Proof of gagging? Btw when we're discussing nutritional advice you’ll find dietitians to be the experts, not doctors. Obesity is very much a primary care remit, not acute medicine. There's no need for triage, you'll see a nurse or doctor. The nurse may be more qualified in this area than the doctor. There's been a call to raise the length of time student doctors study nutrition. You reckon? I'll go with the doctor every time thanks
Being a HCP whose dissertation was obesity, I don't reckon, I know.
Me too. I'll stick with the Doc.
You did a dissertation on obesity... we could compare notes .
I'll stick with me
No thanks I will go with my G.P for no other reason he is a person I see in real life.
You are not which is vice versa."I wasn't offering  | |||
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"... It might interest you to know that a nurse is more likely to attain a PhD than a doctor "In which case, why don't those nurses call themselves doctors? They would be perfectly entitled to do so. That's what the 'D' stands for. Although nowadays PhDs are so commonplace it might just as well mean Diploma. I had acolleague who had a PhD in plant pathology. I heard the cheeky blighter telling some delivery wallah down the phone "I cannot wait in all day for you, I am a busy doctor". Must be worth the time spent getting the qualification just to pull rank! | |||
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"... It might interest you to know that a nurse is more likely to attain a PhD than a doctor
In which case, why don't those nurses call themselves doctors?
They would be perfectly entitled to do so. That's what the 'D' stands for. Although nowadays PhDs are so commonplace it might just as well mean Diploma.
I had acolleague who had a PhD in plant pathology.
I heard the cheeky blighter telling some delivery wallah down the phone "I cannot wait in all day for you, I am a busy doctor".
Must be worth the time spent getting the qualification just to pull rank!"Those nurses do. It was a tongue in cheek way to state medical doctors do not attain PhDs. | |||
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"Well, it has all gone quiet after all the virtue signalling and qualification declaring posts have run their course. Can we now get back to the core concept that it is really down to poor parenting by easily influenced advert receptive proletarian consumers?" Poor parenting and proletarian consumers play their part, as do others who are not parents or plebs | |||
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