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By *ostindreams OP   Man
2 weeks ago

London

As part of Islamophobia month, a Labour MP has asked for blasphemy laws.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-blasphemy-law-pmqs-b2654819.html

And what's the worst part? TwoTierKier instead of refusing his ask directly was beating around the bush with this reply - "I agree that desecration is awful and should be condemned across the House. We are, as I said before, committed to tackling all forms of hatred and division, including Islamophobia in all its forms"

What a coward!

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
2 weeks ago

Border of London

Nothing to see here. His response was banal platitudes, just like everything he said on the campaign trail and since becoming PM.

He probably doesn't feel strongly about anything, except strong feelings.

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By *ostindreams OP   Man
2 weeks ago

London


"Nothing to see here. His response was banal platitudes, just like everything he said on the campaign trail and since becoming PM.

He probably doesn't feel strongly about anything, except strong feelings."

I am not a big fan of the Tories of the last term. But at least, they had the conviction to speak against such bullshit. Suella just said that "There are no blasphemy laws in this country" when the incident of Quran being damaged caused a controversy. Keir is so weak.

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By *eoBloomsMan
2 weeks ago

Springfield

I think it's very likely Labour will pass a blasphemy law. Certainly more likely than a former DPP offering support to that poor teacher in Bateley (a Labour constituency) any word of support or solidarity.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
2 weeks ago

Gilfach


"As part of Islamophobia month ..."

We have a whole month to be Islamophobic?

Why did nobody tell me me? I've not prepared anything.

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By *eoBloomsMan
2 weeks ago

Springfield

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By *eoBloomsMan
2 weeks ago

Springfield


"As part of Islamophobia month ...

We have a whole month to be Islamophobic?

Why did nobody tell me me? I've not prepared anything."

Why not have a bacon sandwich tomorrow morning and I'll report you for a hate crime ?

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By *ostindreams OP   Man
2 weeks ago

London


"I think it's very likely Labour will pass a blasphemy law. Certainly more likely than a former DPP offering support to that poor teacher in Bateley (a Labour constituency) any word of support or solidarity."

I wouldn't be surprised. This is not the first Labour MP to ask for blasphemy laws. Naz shah asked for the same a few years back.

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By *ostindreams OP   Man
2 weeks ago

London


"As part of Islamophobia month ...

We have a whole month to be Islamophobic?

Why did nobody tell me me? I've not prepared anything."

I didn't know that either.

And it's almost the end of the month.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
2 weeks ago

Gilfach


"As part of Islamophobia month ..."


"We have a whole month to be Islamophobic?

Why did nobody tell me me? I've not prepared anything."


"Why not have a bacon sandwich tomorrow morning and I'll report you for a hate crime ?"

Bacon sandwich?

Wait, have I been Islamophobic all my life?

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By *igNick1381Man
2 weeks ago

BRIDGEND


"As part of Islamophobia month ...

We have a whole month to be Islamophobic?

Why did nobody tell me me? I've not prepared anything."

Only a month?

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By *estivalMan
2 weeks ago

borehamwood

They now want to make laws so no one can take the piss out of people's make belive friends,madness

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
2 weeks ago

Central

We already have laws that target those who commit hate crimes against people, due to religion and belief, which seems preferable to protect individuals, rather than a religion in abstract. I don't recall it being in manifestos to have blasphemy laws. And if new legislation is needed, it will probably displace something else, that is a priority for government and the public.

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By *igNick1381Man
2 weeks ago

BRIDGEND


"They now want to make laws so no one can take the piss out of people's make belive friends,madness"

We should all accept that people have the right to believe in whatever they want, and should not be at physical risk from others because of their belief

We should also accept that no one has to respect the belief itself, and any intellectual choice (and religion IS an intellectual choice) you make is open to criticism and mockery

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By *ggdrasil66Man
2 weeks ago

Saltdean

I don’t think many of that particular faith would, if given the choice, want the swinging community to exist, let alone have any rights.

Some of them would probably want to stone us, or push us off tall buildings.

They can stick their fcking blasphemy laws!

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
2 weeks ago

Bedford


"Nothing to see here. His response was banal platitudes, just like everything he said on the campaign trail and since becoming PM.

He probably doesn't feel strongly about anything, except strong feelings."

He only feels strongly about his bank account, nothing else matters to him.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
2 weeks ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

This is the 21st century not the 15th.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
2 weeks ago

in Lancashire

Shock horror..

A person who is elected to office holds strong religious beliefs that the majority disagree with..

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By *enSiskoMan
2 weeks ago

Cestus 3

If I want to say god is a ba5tard, I can, it is called free speech and I am not giving anymore of my freedoms away for anyone regardless of skin tone religion or anything else. phew

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
2 weeks ago

Border of London


"If I want to say god is a ba5tard, I can, it is called free speech and I am not giving anymore of my freedoms away for anyone regardless of skin tone religion or anything else. phew"

So you don't believe in the virgin birth and think Pantera might have been the father?

Interesting...

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By *oxychick35Couple
2 weeks ago

thornaby


"I don’t think many of that particular faith would, if given the choice, want the swinging community to exist, let alone have any rights.

Some of them would probably want to stone us, or push us off tall buildings.

They can stick their fcking blasphemy laws!"

pmsl

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By *iman2100Man
2 weeks ago

Glasgow

Why do we need to enact in the real world laws to protect the reputation of the fabricated, intangible, unproven, imaginary friends of those who prefer not to live in the real world where science and common sense prevail?

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By *iseekingbiCouple
2 weeks ago

N ireland and West Midlands

Blasphemy laws.

Jesus fucking christ, really?

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By *melie LALWoman
2 weeks ago

Peterborough


"As part of Islamophobia month ...

We have a whole month to be Islamophobic?

Why did nobody tell me me? I've not prepared anything.

Why not have a bacon sandwich tomorrow morning and I'll report you for a hate crime ? "

Yeah, poor pig . Mmmm bacon.

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By *melie LALWoman
2 weeks ago

Peterborough


"As part of Islamophobia month ...

We have a whole month to be Islamophobic?

Why did nobody tell me me? I've not prepared anything.

Why not have a bacon sandwich tomorrow morning and I'll report you for a hate crime ?

Bacon sandwich?

Wait, have I been Islamophobic all my life?"

And kosherphobic

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By *iman2100Man
2 weeks ago

Glasgow

I don't understand Islamaphobia, Antisemitism, Christophobia etc. Surely those people who dedicate their lives to blind obediance of an imaginary friend, that was invented by sadistic, megalomanical men as a social control mechanism, deserve pity not hatred?

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By *otlovefun42Couple
2 weeks ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

JEHOVAH! Who said that? Come on who said JEHOVAH?

Ouch! Arrrgh!

Who threw that? Come on who threw it?

Are there any women here? Nooooooo.

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By *melie LALWoman
2 weeks ago

Peterborough


"I don't understand Islamaphobia, Antisemitism, Christophobia etc. Surely those people who dedicate their lives to blind obediance of an imaginary friend, that was invented by sadistic, megalomanical men as a social control mechanism, deserve pity not hatred? "

You show your ignorance re people who follow these religions.

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By *hrill CollinsMan
2 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

that's Nietzsche fucked then

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By *iman2100Man
2 weeks ago

Glasgow


"I don't understand Islamaphobia, Antisemitism, Christophobia etc. Surely those people who dedicate their lives to blind obediance of an imaginary friend, that was invented by sadistic, megalomanical men as a social control mechanism, deserve pity not hatred?

You show your ignorance re people who follow these religions."

What ignorance of others? You and others can believe what you want. I quite simply do not believe the same. There are aproaching 2,000 Gods recognised by Earth religions. There is no scientific evidence available to prove the existence of any of them.

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By *ortyairCouple
2 weeks ago

Wallasey


"JEHOVAH! Who said that? Come on who said JEHOVAH?

Ouch! Arrrgh!

Who threw that? Come on who threw it?

Are there any women here? Nooooooo."

All I said was that bit of Halibut was good enough for Jehovah.... Brilliant film, summed up the absurdity of religion perfectly, Mrs x

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By *melie LALWoman
2 weeks ago

Peterborough


"I don't understand Islamaphobia, Antisemitism, Christophobia etc. Surely those people who dedicate their lives to blind obediance of an imaginary friend, that was invented by sadistic, megalomanical men as a social control mechanism, deserve pity not hatred?

You show your ignorance re people who follow these religions.

What ignorance of others? You and others can believe what you want. I quite simply do not believe the same. There are aproaching 2,000 Gods recognised by Earth religions. There is no scientific evidence available to prove the existence of any of them. "

Aside from not knowing what religious people do, can you disprove the existence of God?

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By *ortyairCouple
2 weeks ago

Wallasey


"I don't understand Islamaphobia, Antisemitism, Christophobia etc. Surely those people who dedicate their lives to blind obediance of an imaginary friend, that was invented by sadistic, megalomanical men as a social control mechanism, deserve pity not hatred?

You show your ignorance re people who follow these religions.

What ignorance of others? You and others can believe what you want. I quite simply do not believe the same. There are aproaching 2,000 Gods recognised by Earth religions. There is no scientific evidence available to prove the existence of any of them.

Aside from not knowing what religious people do, can you disprove the existence of God?"

Is the done thing to be able to prove what you assert? So if you believe in a religion should you be able to prove the existence of a God rather than prove there isn't?

Mrs x

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By *iman2100Man
2 weeks ago

Glasgow


"I don't understand Islamaphobia, Antisemitism, Christophobia etc. Surely those people who dedicate their lives to blind obediance of an imaginary friend, that was invented by sadistic, megalomanical men as a social control mechanism, deserve pity not hatred?

You show your ignorance re people who follow these religions.

What ignorance of others? You and others can believe what you want. I quite simply do not believe the same. There are aproaching 2,000 Gods recognised by Earth religions. There is no scientific evidence available to prove the existence of any of them.

Aside from not knowing what religious people do, can you disprove the existence of God?"

Currently there is no reliable, scientific, evidence to prove the existence of a God or Gods. I therefore do not see it is necessary for me to try and prove a negative.

If you believe there is a God, or God's, where is the evidence of their existance? Please don't say millions believe because they have a religion. A God will exist, or not, whether or not there is a man made social control mechanism (e.g. religion) that supports their existence.

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By *ild_oatsMan
1 week ago

the land of saints & sinners


"I don't understand Islamaphobia, Antisemitism, Christophobia etc. Surely those people who dedicate their lives to blind obediance of an imaginary friend, that was invented by sadistic, megalomanical men as a social control mechanism, deserve pity not hatred?

You show your ignorance re people who follow these religions.

What ignorance of others? You and others can believe what you want. I quite simply do not believe the same. There are aproaching 2,000 Gods recognised by Earth religions. There is no scientific evidence available to prove the existence of any of them.

Aside from not knowing what religious people do, can you disprove the existence of God?"

I can’t disprove the existence of fairies, elves, dragons, goblins and the Easter bunny but that does not mean they do exist.

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By *regoniansCouple
1 week ago

Oundle

Ed Millipede on 7th Jan 20f5 after the terrorist attack on Charlie Hebdo: " We stand in solidarity with France against this evil attack by terrorists intent on attacking our democratic way of life & freedom of speech". Need I say more? Where exactly on 2TK on Islamic so called blasphemy? His problem is that over the last 10 years we have 2m more Muslims in this country.

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By *melie LALWoman
1 week ago

Peterborough


"I don't understand Islamaphobia, Antisemitism, Christophobia etc. Surely those people who dedicate their lives to blind obediance of an imaginary friend, that was invented by sadistic, megalomanical men as a social control mechanism, deserve pity not hatred?

You show your ignorance re people who follow these religions.

What ignorance of others? You and others can believe what you want. I quite simply do not believe the same. There are aproaching 2,000 Gods recognised by Earth religions. There is no scientific evidence available to prove the existence of any of them.

Aside from not knowing what religious people do, can you disprove the existence of God?

Is the done thing to be able to prove what you assert? So if you believe in a religion should you be able to prove the existence of a God rather than prove there isn't?

Mrs x"

One cannot prove or disprove. As there are billions who ascribe or are socialised to and into religions, I think we can afford more respect than, as a different poster stated, stating blind obedience to an imaginary friend, and (same poster?) pity them.

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By *otMe66Man
1 week ago

Terra Firma

Faith doesn’t require proof it shapes beliefs and behaviour through personal experience. More lack faith than have faith I would guess, but demanding proof of God’s existence is meaningless exercise to people with faith.

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By *regoonMan
1 week ago

Uxbridge

Reading the article they were talking about desecration of all religious texts including the bible.

It’s interesting because free speech should include things that some people may find distasteful like flag burning or book burning for that matter.

But I think being needlessly disrespectful of someone else’s beliefs is pointless and doesn’t make for a better society.

I doubt this law would pass but even if it did who is it going to affect maybe a handful of fascists or the odd modern artist making a trite mockery of religion in an increasingly secular country?

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By *melie LALWoman
1 week ago

Peterborough


"Faith doesn’t require proof it shapes beliefs and behaviour through personal experience. More lack faith than have faith I would guess, but demanding proof of God’s existence is meaningless exercise to people with faith."

Absobloodylutely. As someone who is spiritual but not religious, I agree.

Religion comprises of rituals and rules that mankind has developed for whatever reason (such as control, patriarchy etc). Faith is heart felt, becomes part of you (or is an evolved part of you). A wonderful journey of enrichment.

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By *iman2100Man
1 week ago

Glasgow


"I don't understand Islamaphobia, Antisemitism, Christophobia etc. Surely those people who dedicate their lives to blind obediance of an imaginary friend, that was invented by sadistic, megalomanical men as a social control mechanism, deserve pity not hatred?

You show your ignorance re people who follow these religions.

What ignorance of others? You and others can believe what you want. I quite simply do not believe the same. There are aproaching 2,000 Gods recognised by Earth religions. There is no scientific evidence available to prove the existence of any of them.

Aside from not knowing what religious people do, can you disprove the existence of God?

Is the done thing to be able to prove what you assert? So if you believe in a religion should you be able to prove the existence of a God rather than prove there isn't?

Mrs x

One cannot prove or disprove. As there are billions who ascribe or are socialised to and into religions, I think we can afford more respect than, as a different poster stated, stating blind obedience to an imaginary friend, and (same poster?) pity them."

The best explanation I have heard to explain the proclivity of large sections of humanity to believe in a God (aka an imaginary friend) is, even as adults, we need a "parent" to guide us.

Darwin would argue that, in the early years of humanity, the children who ignored their parent's advice and guidance did not survive long. Yet, in their late teens, these young adults are cast off into the world and expected to find their own way.

Even now there is much we do not know, there are many circumstances we do not know what to do, we often need guidance; so religion provides us with an answer in return for our acceptance of their Laws. Pray to God for guidance.

Religions, all religions, were created by men with the prime intention of using the faith in God (aka Father) of their followers as a lever to acheive the aims of the leaders of the religion.

I do not decry people who have faith. That is their choice and there is no doubt it provides a nice mental safety blanket for many when they contemplate their own death. Their faith however does not prove the existence of a God, only that they believe there is one.

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By *melie LALWoman
1 week ago

Peterborough


"I don't understand Islamaphobia, Antisemitism, Christophobia etc. Surely those people who dedicate their lives to blind obediance of an imaginary friend, that was invented by sadistic, megalomanical men as a social control mechanism, deserve pity not hatred?

You show your ignorance re people who follow these religions.

What ignorance of others? You and others can believe what you want. I quite simply do not believe the same. There are aproaching 2,000 Gods recognised by Earth religions. There is no scientific evidence available to prove the existence of any of them.

Aside from not knowing what religious people do, can you disprove the existence of God?

Is the done thing to be able to prove what you assert? So if you believe in a religion should you be able to prove the existence of a God rather than prove there isn't?

Mrs x

One cannot prove or disprove. As there are billions who ascribe or are socialised to and into religions, I think we can afford more respect than, as a different poster stated, stating blind obedience to an imaginary friend, and (same poster?) pity them.

The best explanation I have heard to explain the proclivity of large sections of humanity to believe in a God (aka an imaginary friend) is, even as adults, we need a "parent" to guide us.

Darwin would argue that, in the early years of humanity, the children who ignored their parent's advice and guidance did not survive long. Yet, in their late teens, these young adults are cast off into the world and expected to find their own way.

Even now there is much we do not know, there are many circumstances we do not know what to do, we often need guidance; so religion provides us with an answer in return for our acceptance of their Laws. Pray to God for guidance.

Religions, all religions, were created by men with the prime intention of using the faith in God (aka Father) of their followers as a lever to acheive the aims of the leaders of the religion.

I do not decry people who have faith. That is their choice and there is no doubt it provides a nice mental safety blanket for many when they contemplate their own death. Their faith however does not prove the existence of a God, only that they believe there is one. "

I had to find my own way from the age of 9. I'm living proof some of us are better off without parents (and religion). You can have belief WITHOUT religion.

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By *ortyairCouple
1 week ago

Wallasey

An ancient Greek once said the gods were the invention of the ruling elite to keep the peasant in the fields in their absence.

Always thought that was a good way to look at it. Mrs x

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By *ony MannMan
1 week ago

New York City New York USA

What happened to respect for others beleaf in something or nothing.

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By *ony MannMan
1 week ago

New York City New York USA


"An ancient Greek once said the gods were the invention of the ruling elite to keep the peasant in the fields in their absence.

Always thought that was a good way to look at it. Mrs x"

..or the opium of the people

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By *iman2100Man
1 week ago

Glasgow


"I don't understand Islamaphobia, Antisemitism, Christophobia etc. Surely those people who dedicate their lives to blind obediance of an imaginary friend, that was invented by sadistic, megalomanical men as a social control mechanism, deserve pity not hatred?

You show your ignorance re people who follow these religions.

What ignorance of others? You and others can believe what you want. I quite simply do not believe the same. There are aproaching 2,000 Gods recognised by Earth religions. There is no scientific evidence available to prove the existence of any of them.

Aside from not knowing what religious people do, can you disprove the existence of God?

Is the done thing to be able to prove what you assert? So if you believe in a religion should you be able to prove the existence of a God rather than prove there isn't?

Mrs x

One cannot prove or disprove. As there are billions who ascribe or are socialised to and into religions, I think we can afford more respect than, as a different poster stated, stating blind obedience to an imaginary friend, and (same poster?) pity them.

The best explanation I have heard to explain the proclivity of large sections of humanity to believe in a God (aka an imaginary friend) is, even as adults, we need a "parent" to guide us.

Darwin would argue that, in the early years of humanity, the children who ignored their parent's advice and guidance did not survive long. Yet, in their late teens, these young adults are cast off into the world and expected to find their own way.

Even now there is much we do not know, there are many circumstances we do not know what to do, we often need guidance; so religion provides us with an answer in return for our acceptance of their Laws. Pray to God for guidance.

Religions, all religions, were created by men with the prime intention of using the faith in God (aka Father) of their followers as a lever to acheive the aims of the leaders of the religion.

I do not decry people who have faith. That is their choice and there is no doubt it provides a nice mental safety blanket for many when they contemplate their own death. Their faith however does not prove the existence of a God, only that they believe there is one.

I had to find my own way from the age of 9. I'm living proof some of us are better off without parents (and religion). You can have belief WITHOUT religion."

Belief without religion is not uncommon. It exists for the same reason.

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By *iman2100Man
1 week ago

Glasgow


"What happened to respect for others beleaf in something or nothing. "

Who is disrespecting whom? Not on here.

God is a figment of the imagination of those with faith; so is imaginary. It is, however, still very real to them and they are entitled to respect.

It is my opinion that atheists in general give people of faith more respect than followers of different religions give each other.

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By *iman2100Man
1 week ago

Glasgow

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By *igNick1381Man
1 week ago

BRIDGEND


"What happened to respect for others beleaf in something or nothing. "

You can respect the individuals right to believe, you don't have to respect the belief itself if you find the belief unsavoury

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By *otMe66Man
1 week ago

Terra Firma


"What happened to respect for others beleaf in something or nothing.

Who is disrespecting whom? Not on here.

God is a figment of the imagination of those with faith; so is imaginary. It is, however, still very real to them and they are entitled to respect.

It is my opinion that atheists in general give people of faith more respect than followers of different religions give each other. "

You are a paradox: you advocate for respect towards others who think differently, yet you still judge them.

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By *iman2100Man
1 week ago

Glasgow


"What happened to respect for others beleaf in something or nothing.

Who is disrespecting whom? Not on here.

God is a figment of the imagination of those with faith; so is imaginary. It is, however, still very real to them and they are entitled to respect.

It is my opinion that atheists in general give people of faith more respect than followers of different religions give each other.

You are a paradox: you advocate for respect towards others who think differently, yet you still judge them. "

I do not judge them. I apply logic. I have never seen, or seen scientific evidence of the existence of, faireys, goblins or elves so I think they are imaginary. People are entitled to believe they exist though. Their choice.

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By *otMe66Man
1 week ago

Terra Firma

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1 week ago

Terra Firma

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By *va_NightingaleTV/TS
1 week ago

North Manchester


"I do not judge them. I apply logic. I have never seen, or seen scientific evidence of the existence of, faireys, goblins or elves so I think they are imaginary. People are entitled to believe they exist though. Their choice. "

**************************************

Goin' home late last night

Suddenly, I got a fright

Yeah, I looked through a window and surprised what I saw

Fairy with boots are dancin' with a dwarf, alright, now

.

Yeah, fairies wear boots and you gotta believe me

Yeah, I saw it, I saw it, I tell you no lies

Yeah, fairies wear boots and you gotta believe me

I saw it, I saw it with my own two eyes, alright, now

( )

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By *melie LALWoman
1 week ago

Peterborough


"I don't understand Islamaphobia, Antisemitism, Christophobia etc. Surely those people who dedicate their lives to blind obediance of an imaginary friend, that was invented by sadistic, megalomanical men as a social control mechanism, deserve pity not hatred?

You show your ignorance re people who follow these religions.

What ignorance of others? You and others can believe what you want. I quite simply do not believe the same. There are aproaching 2,000 Gods recognised by Earth religions. There is no scientific evidence available to prove the existence of any of them.

Aside from not knowing what religious people do, can you disprove the existence of God?

Is the done thing to be able to prove what you assert? So if you believe in a religion should you be able to prove the existence of a God rather than prove there isn't?

Mrs x

One cannot prove or disprove. As there are billions who ascribe or are socialised to and into religions, I think we can afford more respect than, as a different poster stated, stating blind obedience to an imaginary friend, and (same poster?) pity them.

The best explanation I have heard to explain the proclivity of large sections of humanity to believe in a God (aka an imaginary friend) is, even as adults, we need a "parent" to guide us.

Darwin would argue that, in the early years of humanity, the children who ignored their parent's advice and guidance did not survive long. Yet, in their late teens, these young adults are cast off into the world and expected to find their own way.

Even now there is much we do not know, there are many circumstances we do not know what to do, we often need guidance; so religion provides us with an answer in return for our acceptance of their Laws. Pray to God for guidance.

Religions, all religions, were created by men with the prime intention of using the faith in God (aka Father) of their followers as a lever to acheive the aims of the leaders of the religion.

I do not decry people who have faith. That is their choice and there is no doubt it provides a nice mental safety blanket for many when they contemplate their own death. Their faith however does not prove the existence of a God, only that they believe there is one.

I had to find my own way from the age of 9. I'm living proof some of us are better off without parents (and religion). You can have belief WITHOUT religion.

Belief without religion is not uncommon. It exists for the same reason. "

BS mine exists because of my journey. Not me explained it perfectly.

In fact mine is science based...

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By *melie LALWoman
1 week ago

Peterborough


"I don't understand Islamaphobia, Antisemitism, Christophobia etc. Surely those people who dedicate their lives to blind obediance of an imaginary friend, that was invented by sadistic, megalomanical men as a social control mechanism, deserve pity not hatred?

You show your ignorance re people who follow these religions.

What ignorance of others? You and others can believe what you want. I quite simply do not believe the same. There are aproaching 2,000 Gods recognised by Earth religions. There is no scientific evidence available to prove the existence of any of them.

Aside from not knowing what religious people do, can you disprove the existence of God?

Is the done thing to be able to prove what you assert? So if you believe in a religion should you be able to prove the existence of a God rather than prove there isn't?

Mrs x

One cannot prove or disprove. As there are billions who ascribe or are socialised to and into religions, I think we can afford more respect than, as a different poster stated, stating blind obedience to an imaginary friend, and (same poster?) pity them.

The best explanation I have heard to explain the proclivity of large sections of humanity to believe in a God (aka an imaginary friend) is, even as adults, we need a "parent" to guide us.

Darwin would argue that, in the early years of humanity, the children who ignored their parent's advice and guidance did not survive long. Yet, in their late teens, these young adults are cast off into the world and expected to find their own way.

Even now there is much we do not know, there are many circumstances we do not know what to do, we often need guidance; so religion provides us with an answer in return for our acceptance of their Laws. Pray to God for guidance.

Religions, all religions, were created by men with the prime intention of using the faith in God (aka Father) of their followers as a lever to acheive the aims of the leaders of the religion.

I do not decry people who have faith. That is their choice and there is no doubt it provides a nice mental safety blanket for many when they contemplate their own death. Their faith however does not prove the existence of a God, only that they believe there is one.

I had to find my own way from the age of 9. I'm living proof some of us are better off without parents (and religion). You can have belief WITHOUT religion.

Belief without religion is not uncommon. It exists for the same reason.

BS mine exists because of my journey. Not me explained it perfectly.

In fact mine is science based..."

Or rather, includes elements of science.

What about scientists who believe?

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By *idnight RamblerMan
1 week ago

Pershore


"What happened to respect for others beleaf in something or nothing.

Who is disrespecting whom? Not on here.

God is a figment of the imagination of those with faith; so is imaginary. It is, however, still very real to them and they are entitled to respect.

It is my opinion that atheists in general give people of faith more respect than followers of different religions give each other. "

It's true the three Abrahamic faiths are toxic and quarrelsome. Have we benefitted much from all that Middle East hocus pocus in reality? Personally I don't think so. The originating region is hardly an examplar of good human behaviour. Our forebears in N.Europe were wiser. They worshipped the Sun, Moon and Mother Nature, and why not? Happy Yule.

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By *ony MannMan
1 week ago

New York City New York USA


"What happened to respect for others beleaf in something or nothing.

Who is disrespecting whom? Not on here.

God is a figment of the imagination of those with faith; so is imaginary. It is, however, still very real to them and they are entitled to respect.

It is my opinion that atheists in general give people of faith more respect than followers of different religions give each other.

It's true the three Abrahamic faiths are toxic and quarrelsome. Have we benefitted much from all that Middle East hocus pocus in reality? Personally I don't think so. The originating region is hardly an examplar of good human behaviour. Our forebears in N.Europe were wiser. They worshipped the Sun, Moon and Mother Nature, and why not? Happy Yule."

I think they had more fun...Gods and followers.

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By *ostindreams OP   Man
1 week ago

London


"An ancient Greek once said the gods were the invention of the ruling elite to keep the peasant in the fields in their absence.

Always thought that was a good way to look at it. Mrs x"

There are religions without personal God

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By *ortyairCouple
1 week ago

Wallasey


"An ancient Greek once said the gods were the invention of the ruling elite to keep the peasant in the fields in their absence.

Always thought that was a good way to look at it. Mrs x

There are religions without personal God"

There aren't, there are no God's, that's my belief anyway, Mrs x

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By *llitnilMan
1 week ago

Shirehampton


"In fact mine is science based..."


"Or rather, includes elements of science."

Nonsense. Science and belief are fundamentally incompatible.

It's perfectly possible for a scientist to have some sort of faith. Science can't explain everything.

But it isn't possible to apply scientific principles to faith. A rigid application of science to faith just results in the negation of the faith. An improper application of science just results in woo.

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By *otMe66Man
1 week ago

Terra Firma


"In fact mine is science based...

Or rather, includes elements of science.

Nonsense. Science and belief are fundamentally incompatible.

It's perfectly possible for a scientist to have some sort of faith. Science can't explain everything.

But it isn't possible to apply scientific principles to faith. A rigid application of science to faith just results in the negation of the faith. An improper application of science just results in woo."

Some sort of faith? Is that the same as true faith, or just belief dressed differently?

Science doesn’t stop because of faith, it evolves and can be enhanced or even challenged by it. Faith and science need not be incompatible, but applying scientific principles improperly to faith reduces both to something they’re not meant to be.

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By *llitnilMan
1 week ago

Shirehampton


"In fact mine is science based...

Or rather, includes elements of science.

Nonsense. Science and belief are fundamentally incompatible.

It's perfectly possible for a scientist to have some sort of faith. Science can't explain everything.

But it isn't possible to apply scientific principles to faith. A rigid application of science to faith just results in the negation of the faith. An improper application of science just results in woo.

Some sort of faith? Is that the same as true faith, or just belief dressed differently?

Science doesn’t stop because of faith, it evolves and can be enhanced or even challenged by it. Faith and science need not be incompatible, but applying scientific principles improperly to faith reduces both to something they’re not meant to be. "

Badly phrased. When I said "some sort of faith", I was trying to be non-specific about which God they might choose. I meant that a scientist can have a faith or belief just like anyone else.

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By *melie LALWoman
1 week ago

Peterborough


"In fact mine is science based...

Or rather, includes elements of science.

Nonsense. Science and belief are fundamentally incompatible.

It's perfectly possible for a scientist to have some sort of faith. Science can't explain everything.

But it isn't possible to apply scientific principles to faith. A rigid application of science to faith just results in the negation of the faith. An improper application of science just results in woo."

You've made huge assumptions there. I'm not on about principles of research.

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By *ostindreams OP   Man
6 days ago

London


"An ancient Greek once said the gods were the invention of the ruling elite to keep the peasant in the fields in their absence.

Always thought that was a good way to look at it. Mrs x

There are religions without personal GodThere aren't, there are no God's, that's my belief anyway, Mrs x"

There are religions like Jainism, some schools of Buddhism, some schools of Hinduism, some western mystic schools of thought, which don't have personal Gods you are supposed to worship. Their focus is more on nature of reality and consciousness.

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By *ostindreams OP   Man
6 days ago

London


"In fact mine is science based...

Or rather, includes elements of science.

Nonsense. Science and belief are fundamentally incompatible.

It's perfectly possible for a scientist to have some sort of faith. Science can't explain everything.

But it isn't possible to apply scientific principles to faith. A rigid application of science to faith just results in the negation of the faith. An improper application of science just results in woo.

Some sort of faith? Is that the same as true faith, or just belief dressed differently?

Science doesn’t stop because of faith, it evolves and can be enhanced or even challenged by it. Faith and science need not be incompatible, but applying scientific principles improperly to faith reduces both to something they’re not meant to be. "

Agreed! Science is a method of trying to understand reality. It depends on some axioms which we take on faith. Religions follow a completely different set of axioms which makes them hard to reduce one into the other. Sure some religions try to make predictions about empirical reality and have fucked up big time. But there are religions all around the world which don't do that.

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By *inkywife1981Couple
5 days ago

A town near you

Blasphemy laws, what next bring back the Spanish inquisition and Salem witch trials

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By *emma StonesTV/TS
5 days ago

Crewe


"Blasphemy laws, what next bring back the Spanish inquisition and Salem witch trials"

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

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By *eoBloomsMan
5 days ago

Springfield


"Blasphemy laws, what next bring back the Spanish inquisition and Salem witch trials

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition."

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By *melie LALWoman
4 days ago

Peterborough


"Blasphemy laws, what next bring back the Spanish inquisition and Salem witch trials

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition."

Just the Spanish flu... oh wrong forum

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By *iman2100Man
2 days ago

Glasgow

So, are we agreed, blasphemy Laws should not be passed. There is no need to protect an imaginary entity?

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By *igsandyMan
2 days ago

ardrossan

I could make a crack about his sister here.......

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By *igsandyMan
2 days ago

ardrossan


"Faith doesn’t require proof it shapes beliefs and behaviour through personal experience. More lack faith than have faith I would guess, but demanding proof of God’s existence is meaningless exercise to people with faith.

Absobloodylutely. As someone who is spiritual but not religious, I agree.

Religion comprises of rituals and rules that mankind has developed for whatever reason (such as control, patriarchy etc). Faith is heart felt, becomes part of you (or is an evolved part of you). A wonderful journey of enrichment."

Think it was George Bernard Shaw who said many people go looking for God and unfortunately find religion

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By *igsandyMan
2 days ago

ardrossan


"that's Nietzsche fucked then"

I could make a crack about his sister here.......

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By *melie LALWoman
2 days ago

Peterborough


"Faith doesn’t require proof it shapes beliefs and behaviour through personal experience. More lack faith than have faith I would guess, but demanding proof of God’s existence is meaningless exercise to people with faith.

Absobloodylutely. As someone who is spiritual but not religious, I agree.

Religion comprises of rituals and rules that mankind has developed for whatever reason (such as control, patriarchy etc). Faith is heart felt, becomes part of you (or is an evolved part of you). A wonderful journey of enrichment.

Think it was George Bernard Shaw who said many people go looking for God and unfortunately find religion

"

Ooh I like that.

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