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By *idingout41 OP   Man
4 weeks ago

Southampton

There are 920,000 one man limited companies in the UK.

Many, if not the majority, of them are trades people or other people who sell their labour/ skills.

The chancellor, in her budget, was being very economical with the truth when she said the increase in the employment allowance from £5,000.00 to £10,500.00 would protect small businesses from the increases in National Insurance. One man companies are not entitled to the employment allowance.

Someone on the minimum wage will have to pay over £800.00 more a year in tax!!

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By *hrill CollinsMan
4 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

boo hoo ... then be a sole trader instead of pretending to be ltd.

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By *idingout41 OP   Man
4 weeks ago

Southampton

There is no tax advantage to Ltd anymore. In fact it is better to be a sole trader.

Most use the Ltd route now to protect their own property and savings if the worst should happen. I.E. put them into the same position as a regular employee

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By *hrill CollinsMan
4 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

just stop moaning and start paying your fair share

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
4 weeks ago

Hastings


"There is no tax advantage to Ltd anymore. In fact it is better to be a sole trader.

Most use the Ltd route now to protect their own property and savings if the worst should happen. I.E. put them into the same position as a regular employee

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For me it will be just put the price up and passs it on to customers so won't make a difference.

If your getting work done on your own property except the cost to go up again. Materials are also going up because of the change in NI.

So the working person will indirectly cover the cost of the change one way or another.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
4 weeks ago

Hastings

Also I find it funny if I pay NI at 15% and want to keep it to £1000 I can earn £5000 NI free and pay NI on £6666

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
4 weeks ago

Gilfach


"just stop moaning and start paying your fair share"

As has already been said several times, there is no advantage to being a limited company nowadays. They do pay their fair share.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
4 weeks ago

Hastings


"just stop moaning and start paying your fair share

As has already been said several times, there is no advantage to being a limited company nowadays. They do pay their fair share."

I don't know with Corporation Tax at 19% and dividend tax at 8.75%, its still less then income tax and NI especially with the increased NI No

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By *lik and PaulCouple
4 weeks ago

cahoots


"just stop moaning and start paying your fair share

As has already been said several times, there is no advantage to being a limited company nowadays. They do pay their fair share.

I don't know with Corporation Tax at 19% and dividend tax at 8.75%, its still less then income tax and NI especially with the increased NI No "

...plus of course income tax which needs to be paid on salaries as you can't just get paid in dividends. As initially a sole trader and then limited company I've never paid as much tax as I do now and it's becoming more likely that I'll close the business.

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By *hrill CollinsMan
4 weeks ago

The Outer Rim


"just stop moaning and start paying your fair share

As has already been said several times, there is no advantage to being a limited company nowadays. They do pay their fair share.

I don't know with Corporation Tax at 19% and dividend tax at 8.75%, its still less then income tax and NI especially with the increased NI No

...plus of course income tax which needs to be paid on salaries as you can't just get paid in dividends. As initially a sole trader and then limited company I've never paid as much tax as I do now and it's becoming more likely that I'll close the business."

exactly .... if people are going to cheat the system, the system will be altered accordingly to make sure they pay their fair share. it's what PAYE people voted for

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By *lik and PaulCouple
4 weeks ago

cahoots


"just stop moaning and start paying your fair share

As has already been said several times, there is no advantage to being a limited company nowadays. They do pay their fair share.

I don't know with Corporation Tax at 19% and dividend tax at 8.75%, its still less then income tax and NI especially with the increased NI No

...plus of course income tax which needs to be paid on salaries as you can't just get paid in dividends. As initially a sole trader and then limited company I've never paid as much tax as I do now and it's becoming more likely that I'll close the business.

exactly .... if people are going to cheat the system, the system will be altered accordingly to make sure they pay their fair share. it's what PAYE people voted for "

As I said I've always paid more tax as a self employed/limited company...even before recent changes. Paye was simpler, less stress and far more benefits as well.

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By *hrill CollinsMan
4 weeks ago

The Outer Rim


"just stop moaning and start paying your fair share

As has already been said several times, there is no advantage to being a limited company nowadays. They do pay their fair share.

I don't know with Corporation Tax at 19% and dividend tax at 8.75%, its still less then income tax and NI especially with the increased NI No

...plus of course income tax which needs to be paid on salaries as you can't just get paid in dividends. As initially a sole trader and then limited company I've never paid as much tax as I do now and it's becoming more likely that I'll close the business.

exactly .... if people are going to cheat the system, the system will be altered accordingly to make sure they pay their fair share. it's what PAYE people voted for

As I said I've always paid more tax as a self employed/limited company...even before recent changes. Paye was simpler, less stress and far more benefits as well."

exactly .... so there's no problem then, it's just some like to moan for the sake of it rather than just paying their fair share

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
4 weeks ago

Hastings


"just stop moaning and start paying your fair share

As has already been said several times, there is no advantage to being a limited company nowadays. They do pay their fair share.

I don't know with Corporation Tax at 19% and dividend tax at 8.75%, its still less then income tax and NI especially with the increased NI No

...plus of course income tax which needs to be paid on salaries as you can't just get paid in dividends. As initially a sole trader and then limited company I've never paid as much tax as I do now and it's becoming more likely that I'll close the business."

So as why take a salary just take dividends from the profit to reduce the tax you pay and pay what you can direct in to a private pension so tax free.

Guess it depends on you turn over but if it's less then 50k it's all OK

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By *lik and PaulCouple
4 weeks ago

cahoots


"just stop moaning and start paying your fair share

As has already been said several times, there is no advantage to being a limited company nowadays. They do pay their fair share.

I don't know with Corporation Tax at 19% and dividend tax at 8.75%, its still less then income tax and NI especially with the increased NI No

...plus of course income tax which needs to be paid on salaries as you can't just get paid in dividends. As initially a sole trader and then limited company I've never paid as much tax as I do now and it's becoming more likely that I'll close the business.

exactly .... if people are going to cheat the system, the system will be altered accordingly to make sure they pay their fair share. it's what PAYE people voted for

As I said I've always paid more tax as a self employed/limited company...even before recent changes. Paye was simpler, less stress and far more benefits as well.

exactly .... so there's no problem then, it's just some like to moan for the sake of it rather than just paying their fair share "

Yes many think that self employed people all cheat the system which they definitely don't either through being ethical or because of the consequences of being caught.

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By *hrill CollinsMan
4 weeks ago

The Outer Rim


"just stop moaning and start paying your fair share

As has already been said several times, there is no advantage to being a limited company nowadays. They do pay their fair share.

I don't know with Corporation Tax at 19% and dividend tax at 8.75%, its still less then income tax and NI especially with the increased NI No

...plus of course income tax which needs to be paid on salaries as you can't just get paid in dividends. As initially a sole trader and then limited company I've never paid as much tax as I do now and it's becoming more likely that I'll close the business.

exactly .... if people are going to cheat the system, the system will be altered accordingly to make sure they pay their fair share. it's what PAYE people voted for

As I said I've always paid more tax as a self employed/limited company...even before recent changes. Paye was simpler, less stress and far more benefits as well.

exactly .... so there's no problem then, it's just some like to moan for the sake of it rather than just paying their fair share

Yes many think that self employed people all cheat the system which they definitely don't either through being ethical or because of the consequences of being caught."

yes, that's the fantastic thing about IR35

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By *idingout41 OP   Man
4 weeks ago

Southampton

You need to say yourself a salary to get state pension contributions.

You can only put an amount into your own pension that is up to 100% of your salary- not your income.

If you are employed you will pay an effective tax rate of 28% ( income tax and ni)

If you draw dividends to pay 27.75% (19% corporation tax and 8.75% dividend tax). For most people that is a saving of less than £1.00 a week. And in return?

You loose access to almost all state benefits.

Where is the encouragement to set up a business which tan grow, employ people and pay tax on genuine profit?

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