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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”!" Well BoE Governor, Andrew Bailey, has admitted this week that the UK is still suffering from Brexit. Economically speaking, he's right - the promised 'free trade' by Boris, Gove et al has not materialised. We might take solace that there are political benefits yet to come, but even that seems dubious. | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”!" It is a good start considering the mess labour has been left, I notice this is pre budget? | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”!" Exactly, just wait, all the Labour cry babies will be shouting it's not our fault it's down to conservatives Totally pathetic. Labour at their best - trying to blame others | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”! Exactly, just wait, all the Labour cry babies will be shouting it's not our fault it's down to conservatives Totally pathetic. Labour at their best - trying to blame others " Brown was blaming the Tories even when his fingernails were dug into the No 10 door frame. Nothing changes.  | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”! Exactly, just wait, all the Labour cry babies will be shouting it's not our fault it's down to conservatives Totally pathetic. Labour at their best - trying to blame others Brown was blaming the Tories even when his fingernails were dug into the No 10 door frame. Nothing changes. "Exactly; even their voters are the same, trying to shift blame. Pathetic. | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”! Exactly, just wait, all the Labour cry babies will be shouting it's not our fault it's down to conservatives Totally pathetic. Labour at their best - trying to blame others " Things, can only get better | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”! Exactly, just wait, all the Labour cry babies will be shouting it's not our fault it's down to conservatives Totally pathetic. Labour at their best - trying to blame others Brown was blaming the Tories even when his fingernails were dug into the No 10 door frame. Nothing changes. "Labour have been in government since July, they were left a mess, they have a mandate from the electorate to deliver and have at least another 4 years. Things , can only get better | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”! Exactly, just wait, all the Labour cry babies will be shouting it's not our fault it's down to conservatives Totally pathetic. Labour at their best - trying to blame others Things, can only get better " No we are not at the bottom so they might get better, but they can also get worse. If inflation go's up and interest go's up it will get much worse. For lots of people. | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”! Exactly, just wait, all the Labour cry babies will be shouting it's not our fault it's down to conservatives Totally pathetic. Labour at their best - trying to blame others " Expecting Labour to have already fixed the mess of 14 years of Tory rule, plus trying to polish the ongoing Brexit turd, in just a few months. Was probably an unrealistic expectation. | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”! Exactly, just wait, all the Labour cry babies will be shouting it's not our fault it's down to conservatives Totally pathetic. Labour at their best - trying to blame others Things, can only get better No we are not at the bottom so they might get better, but they can also get worse. If inflation go's up and interest go's up it will get much worse. For lots of people." One thing for certain Prices in supermarkets will go up, and up due to Labour's increase of employer taxes. | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”! Exactly, just wait, all the Labour cry babies will be shouting it's not our fault it's down to conservatives Totally pathetic. Labour at their best - trying to blame others Expecting Labour to have already fixed the mess of 14 years of Tory rule, plus trying to polish the ongoing Brexit turd, in just a few months. Was probably an unrealistic expectation. " Labour inherited an improved economy (no credit to tories). Starmer talked the uk down and dropped the baton. | |||
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"Starmer has talked the uk down for 4 months at every opportunity And Reeves leaking pre budget tax increases (many didn’t happen) discouraged investment and businesses put off purchases. Reap what you sow. " Thankfully I'm financially secure but it will still effect savings and investments. I feel most sorry for ones with mortgage or high rents and struggling | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”! Exactly, just wait, all the Labour cry babies will be shouting it's not our fault it's down to conservatives Totally pathetic. Labour at their best - trying to blame others Expecting Labour to have already fixed the mess of 14 years of Tory rule, plus trying to polish the ongoing Brexit turd, in just a few months. Was probably an unrealistic expectation. Labour inherited an improved economy (no credit to tories). Starmer talked the uk down and dropped the baton. " The economy improved under the 14 years of Tory rule! Huge news (if true). | |||
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" The economy improved under the 14 years of Tory rule! Huge news (if true)." Headline figures. Factor in austerity and cost of catch up, add £1.7trn public debt under tories. There are no comparisons here, nor winners. | |||
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"Kuenssberg summed it up well on a podcast a couple of months ago ‘ now Labour have got there they realise it’s not so easy ‘ Economy is flat, interest rate falls will be slower, admittance by Bailey (following Dr Carney) that brexit has had a negative impact on economic growth, tax rises won’t help the economy. £2.6trn public debt equivalent to £100,000 per household, underfunded public services that need 100’s billions of investment. And Rayner quiet on the 300,000 council houses she is hoping from Santa They are in a hole, same as the tories. " I mean, only one of these two political parties dug that hole. But yes, we're in a lot of shit as a country. Personally I think our only chance is a global economic upturn that brings us along. | |||
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" The economy improved under the 14 years of Tory rule! Huge news (if true). Headline figures. Factor in austerity and cost of catch up, add £1.7trn public debt under tories. There are no comparisons here, nor winners. " And no chance of this being fixed in a couple of months. | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”! Exactly, just wait, all the Labour cry babies will be shouting it's not our fault it's down to conservatives Totally pathetic. Labour at their best - trying to blame others Things, can only get better No we are not at the bottom so they might get better, but they can also get worse. If inflation go's up and interest go's up it will get much worse. For lots of people." If? Yes they might get worse before they get better but it will be gradual | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”! Exactly, just wait, all the Labour cry babies will be shouting it's not our fault it's down to conservatives Totally pathetic. Labour at their best - trying to blame others Things, can only get better No we are not at the bottom so they might get better, but they can also get worse. If inflation go's up and interest go's up it will get much worse. For lots of people. One thing for certain Prices in supermarkets will go up, and up due to Labour's increase of employer taxes." No they won’t | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”! Exactly, just wait, all the Labour cry babies will be shouting it's not our fault it's down to conservatives Totally pathetic. Labour at their best - trying to blame others Things, can only get better No we are not at the bottom so they might get better, but they can also get worse. If inflation go's up and interest go's up it will get much worse. For lots of people. One thing for certain Prices in supermarkets will go up, and up due to Labour's increase of employer taxes. No they won’t " Then why did Tesco say that they would this morning on sky and GB news? Do you know better than the retailers | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”! Exactly, just wait, all the Labour cry babies will be shouting it's not our fault it's down to conservatives Totally pathetic. Labour at their best - trying to blame others Things, can only get better No we are not at the bottom so they might get better, but they can also get worse. If inflation go's up and interest go's up it will get much worse. For lots of people. One thing for certain Prices in supermarkets will go up, and up due to Labour's increase of employer taxes. No they won’t Then why did Tesco say that they would this morning on sky and GB news? Do you know better than the retailers " Fake news | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”! Exactly, just wait, all the Labour cry babies will be shouting it's not our fault it's down to conservatives Totally pathetic. Labour at their best - trying to blame others Things, can only get better No we are not at the bottom so they might get better, but they can also get worse. If inflation go's up and interest go's up it will get much worse. For lots of people. One thing for certain Prices in supermarkets will go up, and up due to Labour's increase of employer taxes. No they won’t Then why did Tesco say that they would this morning on sky and GB news? Do you know better than the retailers " Supermarket chains will set their prices to try and match their competitors. I haven't read that Aldi or Lidl saying anything yet. If they choose to absorb the costs then the others Aldi price match would be interesting. | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”! Exactly, just wait, all the Labour cry babies will be shouting it's not our fault it's down to conservatives Totally pathetic. Labour at their best - trying to blame others Things, can only get better No we are not at the bottom so they might get better, but they can also get worse. If inflation go's up and interest go's up it will get much worse. For lots of people. One thing for certain Prices in supermarkets will go up, and up due to Labour's increase of employer taxes. No they won’t Then why did Tesco say that they would this morning on sky and GB news? Do you know better than the retailers Supermarket chains will set their prices to try and match their competitors. I haven't read that Aldi or Lidl saying anything yet. If they choose to absorb the costs then the others Aldi price match would be interesting." Exactly, it’s a competitive market, supermarket alter prices all time, if you shop around then you can get plenty of bargains, Its just Project Fear | |||
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" The economy improved under the 14 years of Tory rule! Huge news (if true). Headline figures. Factor in austerity and cost of catch up, add £1.7trn public debt under tories. There are no comparisons here, nor winners. And no chance of this being fixed in a couple of months." 20 years, it’s always harder climbing back up | |||
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" The economy improved under the 14 years of Tory rule! Huge news (if true). Headline figures. Factor in austerity and cost of catch up, add £1.7trn public debt under tories. There are no comparisons here, nor winners. And no chance of this being fixed in a couple of months. 20 years, it’s always harder climbing back up " A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”! Exactly, just wait, all the Labour cry babies will be shouting it's not our fault it's down to conservatives Totally pathetic. Labour at their best - trying to blame others Things, can only get better No we are not at the bottom so they might get better, but they can also get worse. If inflation go's up and interest go's up it will get much worse. For lots of people. One thing for certain Prices in supermarkets will go up, and up due to Labour's increase of employer taxes. No they won’t Then why did Tesco say that they would this morning on sky and GB news? Do you know better than the retailers Fake news " GBBies fake news? Surely not. | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”! Exactly, just wait, all the Labour cry babies will be shouting it's not our fault it's down to conservatives Totally pathetic. Labour at their best - trying to blame others Things, can only get better No we are not at the bottom so they might get better, but they can also get worse. If inflation go's up and interest go's up it will get much worse. For lots of people. One thing for certain Prices in supermarkets will go up, and up due to Labour's increase of employer taxes. No they won’t Then why did Tesco say that they would this morning on sky and GB news? Do you know better than the retailers Fake news GBBies fake news? Surely not. "Afraid so, they can not be trusted, especially as they are an ‘opinionated based’ channel | |||
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"The CBI are reporting that decision making has generally been "on hold" by businesses who were unsure of what a Labour budget would bring. They are also reporting that there is evidence of the hike in various employer taxes is beginning to filter through to prices. By the spring, we should see whether this is the new reality....ie additional burdens on employers being passed directly to the customer. " That is a sensible assessment, | |||
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" Exactly, it’s a competitive market, supermarket alter prices all time, if you shop around then you can get plenty of bargains, Its just Project Fear " Agreed, but what about other parts of the economy; housing starts (-34% fall) and completions (-13.3% fall), infrastructure investment (uk lowest overall investment in the G7 for 24 of the last 30 years), car sales (-6% fall), eu exports down 27%. | |||
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" Exactly, it’s a competitive market, supermarket alter prices all time, if you shop around then you can get plenty of bargains, Its just Project Fear Agreed, but what about other parts of the economy; housing starts (-34% fall) and completions (-13.3% fall), infrastructure investment (uk lowest overall investment in the G7 for 24 of the last 30 years), car sales (-6% fall), eu exports down 27%. " Brexit and 14 years of Tory mismanagement can not be rectified in a few months, | |||
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"🤣😂🤣🤣😂" Project fear, | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”! Exactly, just wait, all the Labour cry babies will be shouting it's not our fault it's down to conservatives Totally pathetic. Labour at their best - trying to blame others Brown was blaming the Tories even when his fingernails were dug into the No 10 door frame. Nothing changes.
Labour have been in government since July, they were left a mess, they have a mandate from the electorate to deliver and have at least another 4 years. Things , can only get better "Blair had that as his theme tune. Hmmm 2 wars later......... | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”! Exactly, just wait, all the Labour cry babies will be shouting it's not our fault it's down to conservatives Totally pathetic. Labour at their best - trying to blame others Brown was blaming the Tories even when his fingernails were dug into the No 10 door frame. Nothing changes.
Labour have been in government since July, they were left a mess, they have a mandate from the electorate to deliver and have at least another 4 years. Things , can only get better
Blair had that as his theme tune. Hmmm 2 wars later........."And 3 huge election wins | |||
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" Things , can only get better Blair had that as his theme tune. Hmmm 2 wars later........." Starmer saying the same Jam tomorrow | |||
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" Brexit and 14 years of Tory mismanagement can not be rectified in a few months, " Unpicking Brexit will take a decade | |||
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" Brexit and 14 years of Tory mismanagement can not be rectified in a few months, Unpicking Brexit will take a decade " Probably, it’s been a shit show up to now | |||
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"Yes looking forward to a major Labour pivot in about two years time. Up to now UK performance has been slightly ahead of the EU average over the last few years, not that either is anything to write home about. Under Labour at best we are going to get stagnation and probably recession. So expect performance to fall behind the EU which for the most part will continue to bumble along with negligible growth. Labour already running out of steam on everything being the Tories’ fault, so they will need a new scapegoat. Expect them to start blaming the UK not being in the EU for everything. That way they can head into the next election with four years of dismal economic performance behind them, with a promise that things will improve if they get a mandate to rejoin the EU." Starmer is on record ‘the UK’s future is outside the European Union.’ 31 May 2023 Later he said. Britain is back’, promising the UK will be at the heart of Europe to ensure future generations can look back “on what our continent achieved together”. 14 July 2024 | |||
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"I see Reeves has changed her CV on LinkedIn. Previously she claimed to work as an “Economist” at Bank of Scotland but her actual job seems to have been some middling role on their Complaints team. Now she has removed the reference to her being an Economist after being found out." She is not a career economist, holding a Master of Science degree. 6 yrs at Bank of England. Dr Miatta Fahnbulleh (Labour, Peckham) is a career economist, has a PhD in economic development and is more qualified and experienced. | |||
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" Brexit and 14 years of Tory mismanagement can not be rectified in a few months, Unpicking Brexit will take a decade " I'd say that's extremely optimistic. Arch Brexit narcissist Jacob Rees Mogg said it would take about 50 years to get back to where we were prior to leaving the EU. | |||
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"I see Reeves has changed her CV on LinkedIn. Previously she claimed to work as an “Economist” at Bank of Scotland but her actual job seems to have been some middling role on their Complaints team. Now she has removed the reference to her being an Economist after being found out." Guido Fawkes reader. Explains a lot. | |||
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"Yes looking forward to a major Labour pivot in about two years time. Up to now UK performance has been slightly ahead of the EU average over the last few years, not that either is anything to write home about. Under Labour at best we are going to get stagnation and probably recession. So expect performance to fall behind the EU which for the most part will continue to bumble along with negligible growth. Labour already running out of steam on everything being the Tories’ fault, so they will need a new scapegoat. Expect them to start blaming the UK not being in the EU for everything. That way they can head into the next election with four years of dismal economic performance behind them, with a promise that things will improve if they get a mandate to rejoin the EU. Starmer is on record ‘the UK’s future is outside the European Union.’ 31 May 2023 Later he said. Britain is back’, promising the UK will be at the heart of Europe to ensure future generations can look back “on what our continent achieved together”. 14 July 2024 " Good news | |||
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"Yes looking forward to a major Labour pivot in about two years time. Up to now UK performance has been slightly ahead of the EU average over the last few years, not that either is anything to write home about. Under Labour at best we are going to get stagnation and probably recession. So expect performance to fall behind the EU which for the most part will continue to bumble along with negligible growth. Labour already running out of steam on everything being the Tories’ fault, so they will need a new scapegoat. Expect them to start blaming the UK not being in the EU for everything. That way they can head into the next election with four years of dismal economic performance behind them, with a promise that things will improve if they get a mandate to rejoin the EU. Starmer is on record ‘the UK’s future is outside the European Union.’ 31 May 2023 Later he said. Britain is back’, promising the UK will be at the heart of Europe to ensure future generations can look back “on what our continent achieved together”. 14 July 2024 " … flip flop … Get used to it | |||
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"Yes looking forward to a major Labour pivot in about two years time. Up to now UK performance has been slightly ahead of the EU average over the last few years, not that either is anything to write home about. Under Labour at best we are going to get stagnation and probably recession. So expect performance to fall behind the EU which for the most part will continue to bumble along with negligible growth. Labour already running out of steam on everything being the Tories’ fault, so they will need a new scapegoat. Expect them to start blaming the UK not being in the EU for everything. That way they can head into the next election with four years of dismal economic performance behind them, with a promise that things will improve if they get a mandate to rejoin the EU. Starmer is on record ‘the UK’s future is outside the European Union.’ 31 May 2023 Later he said. Britain is back’, promising the UK will be at the heart of Europe to ensure future generations can look back “on what our continent achieved together”. 14 July 2024 Good news " What is? | |||
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"Yes looking forward to a major Labour pivot in about two years time. Up to now UK performance has been slightly ahead of the EU average over the last few years, not that either is anything to write home about. Under Labour at best we are going to get stagnation and probably recession. So expect performance to fall behind the EU which for the most part will continue to bumble along with negligible growth. Labour already running out of steam on everything being the Tories’ fault, so they will need a new scapegoat. Expect them to start blaming the UK not being in the EU for everything. That way they can head into the next election with four years of dismal economic performance behind them, with a promise that things will improve if they get a mandate to rejoin the EU. Starmer is on record ‘the UK’s future is outside the European Union.’ 31 May 2023 Later he said. Britain is back’, promising the UK will be at the heart of Europe to ensure future generations can look back “on what our continent achieved together”. 14 July 2024 … flip flop … Get used to it " Change of direction based on new information, great leadership | |||
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"Yes looking forward to a major Labour pivot in about two years time. Up to now UK performance has been slightly ahead of the EU average over the last few years, not that either is anything to write home about. Under Labour at best we are going to get stagnation and probably recession. So expect performance to fall behind the EU which for the most part will continue to bumble along with negligible growth. Labour already running out of steam on everything being the Tories’ fault, so they will need a new scapegoat. Expect them to start blaming the UK not being in the EU for everything. That way they can head into the next election with four years of dismal economic performance behind them, with a promise that things will improve if they get a mandate to rejoin the EU. Starmer is on record ‘the UK’s future is outside the European Union.’ 31 May 2023 Later he said. Britain is back’, promising the UK will be at the heart of Europe to ensure future generations can look back “on what our continent achieved together”. 14 July 2024 … flip flop … Get used to it Change of direction based on new information, great leadership " think someone’s got a crush on kier lol | |||
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"Yes looking forward to a major Labour pivot in about two years time. Up to now UK performance has been slightly ahead of the EU average over the last few years, not that either is anything to write home about. Under Labour at best we are going to get stagnation and probably recession. So expect performance to fall behind the EU which for the most part will continue to bumble along with negligible growth. Labour already running out of steam on everything being the Tories’ fault, so they will need a new scapegoat. Expect them to start blaming the UK not being in the EU for everything. That way they can head into the next election with four years of dismal economic performance behind them, with a promise that things will improve if they get a mandate to rejoin the EU. Starmer is on record ‘the UK’s future is outside the European Union.’ 31 May 2023 Later he said. Britain is back’, promising the UK will be at the heart of Europe to ensure future generations can look back “on what our continent achieved together”. 14 July 2024 … flip flop … Get used to it Change of direction based on new information, great leadership " What “new information” is that then? What info changes his stance on Europe? Or are you just desperately trying to make excuses for his ever-changing views? | |||
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"Yes looking forward to a major Labour pivot in about two years time. Up to now UK performance has been slightly ahead of the EU average over the last few years, not that either is anything to write home about. Under Labour at best we are going to get stagnation and probably recession. So expect performance to fall behind the EU which for the most part will continue to bumble along with negligible growth. Labour already running out of steam on everything being the Tories’ fault, so they will need a new scapegoat. Expect them to start blaming the UK not being in the EU for everything. That way they can head into the next election with four years of dismal economic performance behind them, with a promise that things will improve if they get a mandate to rejoin the EU. Starmer is on record ‘the UK’s future is outside the European Union.’ 31 May 2023 Later he said. Britain is back’, promising the UK will be at the heart of Europe to ensure future generations can look back “on what our continent achieved together”. 14 July 2024 … flip flop … Get used to it Change of direction based on new information, great leadership What “new information” is that then? What info changes his stance on Europe? Or are you just desperately trying to make excuses for his ever-changing views? " 2 sides to every story Jimmy, you spin the negative and I will spin the positive | |||
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"Yes looking forward to a major Labour pivot in about two years time. Up to now UK performance has been slightly ahead of the EU average over the last few years, not that either is anything to write home about. Under Labour at best we are going to get stagnation and probably recession. So expect performance to fall behind the EU which for the most part will continue to bumble along with negligible growth. Labour already running out of steam on everything being the Tories’ fault, so they will need a new scapegoat. Expect them to start blaming the UK not being in the EU for everything. That way they can head into the next election with four years of dismal economic performance behind them, with a promise that things will improve if they get a mandate to rejoin the EU. Starmer is on record ‘the UK’s future is outside the European Union.’ 31 May 2023 Later he said. Britain is back’, promising the UK will be at the heart of Europe to ensure future generations can look back “on what our continent achieved together”. 14 July 2024 … flip flop … Get used to it Change of direction based on new information, great leadership think someone’s got a crush on kier lol" Nah, just being positive and patriotic, wanting what’s best for my country, you should try it | |||
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"Yes looking forward to a major Labour pivot in about two years time. Up to now UK performance has been slightly ahead of the EU average over the last few years, not that either is anything to write home about. Under Labour at best we are going to get stagnation and probably recession. So expect performance to fall behind the EU which for the most part will continue to bumble along with negligible growth. Labour already running out of steam on everything being the Tories’ fault, so they will need a new scapegoat. Expect them to start blaming the UK not being in the EU for everything. That way they can head into the next election with four years of dismal economic performance behind them, with a promise that things will improve if they get a mandate to rejoin the EU. Starmer is on record ‘the UK’s future is outside the European Union.’ 31 May 2023 Later he said. Britain is back’, promising the UK will be at the heart of Europe to ensure future generations can look back “on what our continent achieved together”. 14 July 2024 … flip flop … Get used to it Change of direction based on new information, great leadership think someone’s got a crush on kier lol Nah, just being positive and patriotic, wanting what’s best for my country, you should try it " pmsl so I’m not a patriot haha | |||
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"Yes looking forward to a major Labour pivot in about two years time. Up to now UK performance has been slightly ahead of the EU average over the last few years, not that either is anything to write home about. Under Labour at best we are going to get stagnation and probably recession. So expect performance to fall behind the EU which for the most part will continue to bumble along with negligible growth. Labour already running out of steam on everything being the Tories’ fault, so they will need a new scapegoat. Expect them to start blaming the UK not being in the EU for everything. That way they can head into the next election with four years of dismal economic performance behind them, with a promise that things will improve if they get a mandate to rejoin the EU. Starmer is on record ‘the UK’s future is outside the European Union.’ 31 May 2023 Later he said. Britain is back’, promising the UK will be at the heart of Europe to ensure future generations can look back “on what our continent achieved together”. 14 July 2024 … flip flop … Get used to it Change of direction based on new information, great leadership think someone’s got a crush on kier lol Nah, just being positive and patriotic, wanting what’s best for my country, you should try it pmsl so I’m not a patriot haha" What makes you a patriot? | |||
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"Yes looking forward to a major Labour pivot in about two years time. Up to now UK performance has been slightly ahead of the EU average over the last few years, not that either is anything to write home about. Under Labour at best we are going to get stagnation and probably recession. So expect performance to fall behind the EU which for the most part will continue to bumble along with negligible growth. Labour already running out of steam on everything being the Tories’ fault, so they will need a new scapegoat. Expect them to start blaming the UK not being in the EU for everything. That way they can head into the next election with four years of dismal economic performance behind them, with a promise that things will improve if they get a mandate to rejoin the EU. Starmer is on record ‘the UK’s future is outside the European Union.’ 31 May 2023 Later he said. Britain is back’, promising the UK will be at the heart of Europe to ensure future generations can look back “on what our continent achieved together”. 14 July 2024 … flip flop … Get used to it Change of direction based on new information, great leadership think someone’s got a crush on kier lol Nah, just being positive and patriotic, wanting what’s best for my country, you should try it pmsl so I’m not a patriot haha What makes you a patriot? " You are the only one who is claiming to be a patriot around here. Sounds a bit nationalistic and xenophobic for a Labour voter. Have you had permission from Labour head office to call yourself a patriot? | |||
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"Yes looking forward to a major Labour pivot in about two years time. Up to now UK performance has been slightly ahead of the EU average over the last few years, not that either is anything to write home about. Under Labour at best we are going to get stagnation and probably recession. So expect performance to fall behind the EU which for the most part will continue to bumble along with negligible growth. Labour already running out of steam on everything being the Tories’ fault, so they will need a new scapegoat. Expect them to start blaming the UK not being in the EU for everything. That way they can head into the next election with four years of dismal economic performance behind them, with a promise that things will improve if they get a mandate to rejoin the EU. Starmer is on record ‘the UK’s future is outside the European Union.’ 31 May 2023 Later he said. Britain is back’, promising the UK will be at the heart of Europe to ensure future generations can look back “on what our continent achieved together”. 14 July 2024 … flip flop … Get used to it Change of direction based on new information, great leadership think someone’s got a crush on kier lol Nah, just being positive and patriotic, wanting what’s best for my country, you should try it pmsl so I’m not a patriot haha What makes you a patriot? You are the only one who is claiming to be a patriot around here. Sounds a bit nationalistic and xenophobic for a Labour voter. Have you had permission from Labour head office to call yourself a patriot?" Hi there, thanks for reading my posts again. I am patriotic , meaning I want what’s best for the country and I try to see the positives rather than the negatives of living here | |||
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"Yes looking forward to a major Labour pivot in about two years time. Up to now UK performance has been slightly ahead of the EU average over the last few years, not that either is anything to write home about. Under Labour at best we are going to get stagnation and probably recession. So expect performance to fall behind the EU which for the most part will continue to bumble along with negligible growth. Labour already running out of steam on everything being the Tories’ fault, so they will need a new scapegoat. Expect them to start blaming the UK not being in the EU for everything. That way they can head into the next election with four years of dismal economic performance behind them, with a promise that things will improve if they get a mandate to rejoin the EU. Starmer is on record ‘the UK’s future is outside the European Union.’ 31 May 2023 Later he said. Britain is back’, promising the UK will be at the heart of Europe to ensure future generations can look back “on what our continent achieved together”. 14 July 2024 … flip flop … Get used to it Change of direction based on new information, great leadership think someone’s got a crush on kier lol Nah, just being positive and patriotic, wanting what’s best for my country, you should try it pmsl so I’m not a patriot haha What makes you a patriot? You are the only one who is claiming to be a patriot around here. Sounds a bit nationalistic and xenophobic for a Labour voter. Have you had permission from Labour head office to call yourself a patriot?" Labour are too busy worrying that dogs are racist to worry about things like that | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”!" Although the budget effects will not be included in these figures they are for the period of time that Labour have been in office all bar a few days. The previous inherited figures were 5 times higher than these. Economists are saying the constant talk about tax rises by the government have had a negative impact. They also point out that despite the government promising long term growth, the outlook is not improved at all | |||
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"The UK economy grew by a massive 0.1% between July and September. The economy shrank by 0.1% in September. Looks like we are finally starting to see the fruits of Labour’s “growth mission”! Although the budget effects will not be included in these figures they are for the period of time that Labour have been in office all bar a few days. The previous inherited figures were 5 times higher than these. Economists are saying the constant talk about tax rises by the government have had a negative impact. They also point out that despite the government promising long term growth, the outlook is not improved at all" Exactly this. | |||
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"Yes looking forward to a major Labour pivot in about two years time. Up to now UK performance has been slightly ahead of the EU average over the last few years, not that either is anything to write home about. Under Labour at best we are going to get stagnation and probably recession. So expect performance to fall behind the EU which for the most part will continue to bumble along with negligible growth. Labour already running out of steam on everything being the Tories’ fault, so they will need a new scapegoat. Expect them to start blaming the UK not being in the EU for everything. That way they can head into the next election with four years of dismal economic performance behind them, with a promise that things will improve if they get a mandate to rejoin the EU. Starmer is on record ‘the UK’s future is outside the European Union.’ 31 May 2023 Later he said. Britain is back’, promising the UK will be at the heart of Europe to ensure future generations can look back “on what our continent achieved together”. 14 July 2024 … flip flop … Get used to it Change of direction based on new information, great leadership think someone’s got a crush on kier lol Nah, just being positive and patriotic, wanting what’s best for my country, you should try it pmsl so I’m not a patriot haha What makes you a patriot? You are the only one who is claiming to be a patriot around here. Sounds a bit nationalistic and xenophobic for a Labour voter. Have you had permission from Labour head office to call yourself a patriot? Hi there, thanks for reading my posts again. I am patriotic , meaning I want what’s best for the country and I try to see the positives rather than the negatives of living here " I struggle to keep up with all your posts as there are so many of them. Maybe you should publish them all in a book so working people could read them during their time off. | |||
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"Yes looking forward to a major Labour pivot in about two years time. Up to now UK performance has been slightly ahead of the EU average over the last few years, not that either is anything to write home about. Under Labour at best we are going to get stagnation and probably recession. So expect performance to fall behind the EU which for the most part will continue to bumble along with negligible growth. Labour already running out of steam on everything being the Tories’ fault, so they will need a new scapegoat. Expect them to start blaming the UK not being in the EU for everything. That way they can head into the next election with four years of dismal economic performance behind them, with a promise that things will improve if they get a mandate to rejoin the EU. Starmer is on record ‘the UK’s future is outside the European Union.’ 31 May 2023 Later he said. Britain is back’, promising the UK will be at the heart of Europe to ensure future generations can look back “on what our continent achieved together”. 14 July 2024 … flip flop … Get used to it Change of direction based on new information, great leadership think someone’s got a crush on kier lol Nah, just being positive and patriotic, wanting what’s best for my country, you should try it pmsl so I’m not a patriot haha What makes you a patriot? You are the only one who is claiming to be a patriot around here. Sounds a bit nationalistic and xenophobic for a Labour voter. Have you had permission from Labour head office to call yourself a patriot? Hi there, thanks for reading my posts again. I am patriotic , meaning I want what’s best for the country and I try to see the positives rather than the negatives of living here I struggle to keep up with all your posts as there are so many of them. Maybe you should publish them all in a book so working people could read them during their time off. " Thanks again, it’s worth considering, I will donate all profits made to charity , probably the RNLI | |||
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"Deutsche Bank forecasting a loss of 100,000 jobs due to the Reeves budget. Maybe Labour isn’t for working people quite so much after all." In the UK? | |||
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"Starmer constantly talking down the economy has come back to bite him. Can’t blame that on the tories, it’s in his watch now Look what happened to Gerald Ratner " It was a master stroke by SKS, lower expectations then things can only improve, statesman like | |||
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"Deutsche Bank forecasting a loss of 100,000 jobs due to the Reeves budget. Maybe Labour isn’t for working people quite so much after all." Possibly a loss of 100,000 jobs directly and indirectly to the Oil and Gas industry North Sea Chevron, ExxonMobil, Marathon and ConnocoPhilips have already Sold all North Sea assets and that includes Chevrons Rosebank project, APACHE have given notice that they are tieing up all loose ends and walking away also due to the greed of Labour with Labour's imposed Windfall tax | |||
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"Deutsche Bank forecasting a loss of 100,000 jobs due to the Reeves budget. Maybe Labour isn’t for working people quite so much after all. Possibly a loss of 100,000 jobs directly and indirectly to the Oil and Gas industry North Sea Chevron, ExxonMobil, Marathon and ConnocoPhilips have already Sold all North Sea assets and that includes Chevrons Rosebank project, APACHE have given notice that they are tieing up all loose ends and walking away also due to the greed of Labour with Labour's imposed Windfall tax " They can get a job in green energy, tbh, they were vastly overpaid in that sector anyway | |||
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"Oil and Gas is key for aberdeen. Our city is knackered now" I hope they get new investment up there then | |||
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"I reckon we will head tbe way of the north east after coal mines shut" Ah right, unfortunately industries come and go, it’s like that throughout the UK, sensible investment needs to be made though to replace the jobs | |||
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"Deutsche Bank forecasting a loss of 100,000 jobs due to the Reeves budget. Maybe Labour isn’t for working people quite so much after all. Possibly a loss of 100,000 jobs directly and indirectly to the Oil and Gas industry North Sea Chevron, ExxonMobil, Marathon and ConnocoPhilips have already Sold all North Sea assets and that includes Chevrons Rosebank project, APACHE have given notice that they are tieing up all loose ends and walking away also due to the greed of Labour with Labour's imposed Windfall tax " "Greed of labour"? How much of the windfall tax is going to the Labour party? | |||
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"I reckon we will head tbe way of the north east after coal mines shut" The city of Aberdeen perhaps, but the highly skilled Oil & Gas worker's will simply follow the oil. There are still huge projects World wide and oil companies are crying out for Skilled labour, not just offshore but in the yards too with the commissioning of topside jackets etc Labour and Ed Miliband are hoping that highly skilled North Sea oil and gas employees will transition to green energies and they will get one big shock when nobody applies, apart from the unskilled dead wood. | |||
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"Deutsche Bank forecasting a loss of 100,000 jobs due to the Reeves budget. Maybe Labour isn’t for working people quite so much after all. Possibly a loss of 100,000 jobs directly and indirectly to the Oil and Gas industry North Sea Chevron, ExxonMobil, Marathon and ConnocoPhilips have already Sold all North Sea assets and that includes Chevrons Rosebank project, APACHE have given notice that they are tieing up all loose ends and walking away also due to the greed of Labour with Labour's imposed Windfall tax "Greed of labour"? How much of the windfall tax is going to the Labour party?" Difficult to say. It’ll probably make its way to Labour donors like Dale Vince. And from them back to the Labour Party through clothes and party allowances, free room and board, holidays etc. | |||
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"Deutsche Bank forecasting a loss of 100,000 jobs due to the Reeves budget. Maybe Labour isn’t for working people quite so much after all. Possibly a loss of 100,000 jobs directly and indirectly to the Oil and Gas industry North Sea Chevron, ExxonMobil, Marathon and ConnocoPhilips have already Sold all North Sea assets and that includes Chevrons Rosebank project, APACHE have given notice that they are tieing up all loose ends and walking away also due to the greed of Labour with Labour's imposed Windfall tax "Greed of labour"? How much of the windfall tax is going to the Labour party? Difficult to say. It’ll probably make its way to Labour donors like Dale Vince. And from them back to the Labour Party through clothes and party allowances, free room and board, holidays etc." None then. Fair enough. | |||
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"Deutsche Bank forecasting a loss of 100,000 jobs due to the Reeves budget. Maybe Labour isn’t for working people quite so much after all." Homebase have just gone into administration. Seems the budget was the final nail in the coffin. I think when Starmer and Reeves talk about growth, they mean the dole queue. | |||
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"Deutsche Bank forecasting a loss of 100,000 jobs due to the Reeves budget. Maybe Labour isn’t for working people quite so much after all. Homebase have just gone into administration. Seems the budget was the final nail in the coffin. I think when Starmer and Reeves talk about growth, they mean the dole queue." How many times has this chain been on the brink of collapse in the past few years. Were the tories to blame for the collapse of Debenhams, British Home Stores , Comet, Toys R Us, or is it a fact that retail has been struggling for years since the arrival of online shopping. | |||
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"Deutsche Bank forecasting a loss of 100,000 jobs due to the Reeves budget. Maybe Labour isn’t for working people quite so much after all. Homebase have just gone into administration. Seems the budget was the final nail in the coffin. I think when Starmer and Reeves talk about growth, they mean the dole queue." Crap business, poorly run, I feel for the employees but plenty of job for them | |||
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"Deutsche Bank forecasting a loss of 100,000 jobs due to the Reeves budget. Maybe Labour isn’t for working people quite so much after all. Homebase have just gone into administration. Seems the budget was the final nail in the coffin. I think when Starmer and Reeves talk about growth, they mean the dole queue. How many times has this chain been on the brink of collapse in the past few years. Were the tories to blame for the collapse of Debenhams, British Home Stores , Comet, Toys R Us, or is it a fact that retail has been struggling for years since the arrival of online shopping." Labour supporters definitely need to start putting together a list of excuses for all the forthcoming redundancies. | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. " Debt went up 30 % in the last 14 years , and the Tory’s wont be getting in anytime soon  | |||
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"Deutsche Bank forecasting a loss of 100,000 jobs due to the Reeves budget. Maybe Labour isn’t for working people quite so much after all. Homebase have just gone into administration. Seems the budget was the final nail in the coffin. I think when Starmer and Reeves talk about growth, they mean the dole queue. How many times has this chain been on the brink of collapse in the past few years. Were the tories to blame for the collapse of Debenhams, British Home Stores , Comet, Toys R Us, or is it a fact that retail has been struggling for years since the arrival of online shopping. Labour supporters definitely need to start putting together a list of excuses for all the forthcoming redundancies." Forthcoming? It’s just project fear all over again. | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. " Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. | |||
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"Deutsche Bank forecasting a loss of 100,000 jobs due to the Reeves budget. Maybe Labour isn’t for working people quite so much after all. Homebase have just gone into administration. Seems the budget was the final nail in the coffin. I think when Starmer and Reeves talk about growth, they mean the dole queue. How many times has this chain been on the brink of collapse in the past few years. Were the tories to blame for the collapse of Debenhams, British Home Stores , Comet, Toys R Us, or is it a fact that retail has been struggling for years since the arrival of online shopping. Labour supporters definitely need to start putting together a list of excuses for all the forthcoming redundancies. Forthcoming? It’s just project fear all over again. " So much for Labour being concerned about “working people”. Labour is just the party of people living a “great lifestyle” on their “lucrative investments”. | |||
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"Deutsche Bank forecasting a loss of 100,000 jobs due to the Reeves budget. Maybe Labour isn’t for working people quite so much after all. Homebase have just gone into administration. Seems the budget was the final nail in the coffin. I think when Starmer and Reeves talk about growth, they mean the dole queue. How many times has this chain been on the brink of collapse in the past few years. Were the tories to blame for the collapse of Debenhams, British Home Stores , Comet, Toys R Us, or is it a fact that retail has been struggling for years since the arrival of online shopping. Labour supporters definitely need to start putting together a list of excuses for all the forthcoming redundancies. Forthcoming? It’s just project fear all over again. So much for Labour being concerned about “working people”. Labour is just the party of people living a “great lifestyle” on their “lucrative investments”." Project fear, and there is nothing worse than envy | |||
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"Labour and Ed Miliband are hoping that highly skilled North Sea oil and gas employees will transition to green energies and they will get one big shock when nobody applies, apart from the unskilled dead wood." they're not needed. the more intelligent among the highly skilled have already moved over the the electrical sector. the grease monkies who are left that struggle with anything more than trying to tighten a few nuts and bolts might be able find work on the bins or macdonalds etc though  | |||
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"Deutsche Bank forecasting a loss of 100,000 jobs due to the Reeves budget. Maybe Labour isn’t for working people quite so much after all. Homebase have just gone into administration. Seems the budget was the final nail in the coffin. I think when Starmer and Reeves talk about growth, they mean the dole queue. How many times has this chain been on the brink of collapse in the past few years. Were the tories to blame for the collapse of Debenhams, British Home Stores , Comet, Toys R Us, or is it a fact that retail has been struggling for years since the arrival of online shopping. Labour supporters definitely need to start putting together a list of excuses for all the forthcoming redundancies. Forthcoming? It’s just project fear all over again. So much for Labour being concerned about “working people”. Labour is just the party of people living a “great lifestyle” on their “lucrative investments”. Project fear, and there is nothing worse than envy " Another day Living The Dream on the Fab politics forum! Who wouldn’t be envious! | |||
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"Labour and Ed Miliband are hoping that highly skilled North Sea oil and gas employees will transition to green energies and they will get one big shock when nobody applies, apart from the unskilled dead wood. they're not needed. the more intelligent among the highly skilled have already moved over the the electrical sector. the grease monkies who are left that struggle with anything more than trying to tighten a few nuts and bolts might be able find work on the bins or macdonalds etc though "Plenty of fruit picking jobs out there aswell | |||
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"Deutsche Bank forecasting a loss of 100,000 jobs due to the Reeves budget. Maybe Labour isn’t for working people quite so much after all. Homebase have just gone into administration. Seems the budget was the final nail in the coffin. I think when Starmer and Reeves talk about growth, they mean the dole queue. How many times has this chain been on the brink of collapse in the past few years. Were the tories to blame for the collapse of Debenhams, British Home Stores , Comet, Toys R Us, or is it a fact that retail has been struggling for years since the arrival of online shopping. Labour supporters definitely need to start putting together a list of excuses for all the forthcoming redundancies. Forthcoming? It’s just project fear all over again. So much for Labour being concerned about “working people”. Labour is just the party of people living a “great lifestyle” on their “lucrative investments”. Project fear, and there is nothing worse than envy Another day Living The Dream on the Fab politics forum! Who wouldn’t be envious!" Indeed, here ‘we’ are again, | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Debt went up 30 % in the last 14 years , and the Tory’s wont be getting in anytime soon "Exactly my point... Labour’s approach to economic management has historically prioritised short term gains, resulting in longterm economic instability. The same debt driven trajectory is repeating here, the consequences will bring years of economic stagnation and pain again. It is clear that Labour governments and labour voters are not a good recipe for a stable economy over the longterm, we can thank the red wall for securing brexit as an example... | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. " I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it." So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it." Rubbish, they increased it by over 30% | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Debt went up 30 % in the last 14 years , and the Tory’s wont be getting in anytime soon
Exactly my point...
Labour’s approach to economic management has historically prioritised short term gains, resulting in longterm economic instability. The same debt driven trajectory is repeating here, the consequences will bring years of economic stagnation and pain again.
It is clear that Labour governments and labour voters are not a good recipe for a stable economy over the longterm, we can thank the red wall for securing brexit as an example..."The tories have just ruined the economy | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. " They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country. | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Debt went up 30 % in the last 14 years , and the Tory’s wont be getting in anytime soon
Exactly my point...
Labour’s approach to economic management has historically prioritised short term gains, resulting in longterm economic instability. The same debt driven trajectory is repeating here, the consequences will bring years of economic stagnation and pain again.
It is clear that Labour governments and labour voters are not a good recipe for a stable economy over the longterm, we can thank the red wall for securing brexit as an example...
The tories have just ruined the economy "Do you have anything we can discuss that supports what you think? | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Debt went up 30 % in the last 14 years , and the Tory’s wont be getting in anytime soon
Exactly my point...
Labour’s approach to economic management has historically prioritised short term gains, resulting in longterm economic instability. The same debt driven trajectory is repeating here, the consequences will bring years of economic stagnation and pain again.
It is clear that Labour governments and labour voters are not a good recipe for a stable economy over the longterm, we can thank the red wall for securing brexit as an example...
The tories have just ruined the economy
Do you have anything we can discuss that supports what you think?"That won't happen | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Debt went up 30 % in the last 14 years , and the Tory’s wont be getting in anytime soon
Exactly my point...
Labour’s approach to economic management has historically prioritised short term gains, resulting in longterm economic instability. The same debt driven trajectory is repeating here, the consequences will bring years of economic stagnation and pain again.
It is clear that Labour governments and labour voters are not a good recipe for a stable economy over the longterm, we can thank the red wall for securing brexit as an example...
The tories have just ruined the economy
Do you have anything we can discuss that supports what you think?"Try Google, here are the facts, the electorate trust labour with the economy more than the tories, nothing else matters, 4 more years | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Debt went up 30 % in the last 14 years , and the Tory’s wont be getting in anytime soon
Exactly my point...
Labour’s approach to economic management has historically prioritised short term gains, resulting in longterm economic instability. The same debt driven trajectory is repeating here, the consequences will bring years of economic stagnation and pain again.
It is clear that Labour governments and labour voters are not a good recipe for a stable economy over the longterm, we can thank the red wall for securing brexit as an example...
The tories have just ruined the economy
Do you have anything we can discuss that supports what you think?
Try Google, here are the facts, the electorate trust labour with the economy more than the tories, nothing else matters, 4 more years "Google? It was proven on a previous thread that we interacted on, that information on google can be flawed or misinterpreted. I believe this is another example of that. Headline figures are not being disputed in my posts, what I'm calling out is the poor record labour have in managing the UK economy, and leaving it to the conservative party to manage once the damage has been done. The debt and position we were in in 2010 has still not been resolved fully and led to austerity. My point is clear, the labour strategy today has not changed, they are reverting to type and with it we are carrying huge risk. | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Debt went up 30 % in the last 14 years , and the Tory’s wont be getting in anytime soon
Exactly my point...
Labour’s approach to economic management has historically prioritised short term gains, resulting in longterm economic instability. The same debt driven trajectory is repeating here, the consequences will bring years of economic stagnation and pain again.
It is clear that Labour governments and labour voters are not a good recipe for a stable economy over the longterm, we can thank the red wall for securing brexit as an example...
The tories have just ruined the economy
Do you have anything we can discuss that supports what you think?
Try Google, here are the facts, the electorate trust labour with the economy more than the tories, nothing else matters, 4 more years
Google? It was proven on a previous thread that we interacted on, that information on google can be flawed or misinterpreted.
I believe this is another example of that.
Headline figures are not being disputed in my posts, what I'm calling out is the poor record labour have in managing the UK economy, and leaving it to the conservative party to manage once the damage has been done. The debt and position we were in in 2010 has still not been resolved fully and led to austerity.
My point is clear, the labour strategy today has not changed, they are reverting to type and with it we are carrying huge risk.
"If the economy was doing so well why were they tories annihilated at the last election , the electorate don’t want them anymore they want labour , facts | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Debt went up 30 % in the last 14 years , and the Tory’s wont be getting in anytime soon
Exactly my point...
Labour’s approach to economic management has historically prioritised short term gains, resulting in longterm economic instability. The same debt driven trajectory is repeating here, the consequences will bring years of economic stagnation and pain again.
It is clear that Labour governments and labour voters are not a good recipe for a stable economy over the longterm, we can thank the red wall for securing brexit as an example...
The tories have just ruined the economy
Do you have anything we can discuss that supports what you think?
Try Google, here are the facts, the electorate trust labour with the economy more than the tories, nothing else matters, 4 more years
Google? It was proven on a previous thread that we interacted on, that information on google can be flawed or misinterpreted.
I believe this is another example of that.
Headline figures are not being disputed in my posts, what I'm calling out is the poor record labour have in managing the UK economy, and leaving it to the conservative party to manage once the damage has been done. The debt and position we were in in 2010 has still not been resolved fully and led to austerity.
My point is clear, the labour strategy today has not changed, they are reverting to type and with it we are carrying huge risk.
If the economy was doing so well why were they tories annihilated at the last election , the electorate don’t won’t then ruining at anymore , facts "I have not said the economy was doing well, I said the economy never fully recovered from the position it was handed over in 2010. | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Debt went up 30 % in the last 14 years , and the Tory’s wont be getting in anytime soon
Exactly my point...
Labour’s approach to economic management has historically prioritised short term gains, resulting in longterm economic instability. The same debt driven trajectory is repeating here, the consequences will bring years of economic stagnation and pain again.
It is clear that Labour governments and labour voters are not a good recipe for a stable economy over the longterm, we can thank the red wall for securing brexit as an example...
The tories have just ruined the economy
Do you have anything we can discuss that supports what you think?
Try Google, here are the facts, the electorate trust labour with the economy more than the tories, nothing else matters, 4 more years
Google? It was proven on a previous thread that we interacted on, that information on google can be flawed or misinterpreted.
I believe this is another example of that.
Headline figures are not being disputed in my posts, what I'm calling out is the poor record labour have in managing the UK economy, and leaving it to the conservative party to manage once the damage has been done. The debt and position we were in in 2010 has still not been resolved fully and led to austerity.
My point is clear, the labour strategy today has not changed, they are reverting to type and with it we are carrying huge risk.
If the economy was doing so well why were they tories annihilated at the last election , the electorate don’t won’t then ruining at anymore , facts
I have not said the economy was doing well, I said the economy never fully recovered from the position it was handed over in 2010.
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Debt went up 30 % in the last 14 years , and the Tory’s wont be getting in anytime soon
Exactly my point...
Labour’s approach to economic management has historically prioritised short term gains, resulting in longterm economic instability. The same debt driven trajectory is repeating here, the consequences will bring years of economic stagnation and pain again.
It is clear that Labour governments and labour voters are not a good recipe for a stable economy over the longterm, we can thank the red wall for securing brexit as an example...
The tories have just ruined the economy
Do you have anything we can discuss that supports what you think?
Try Google, here are the facts, the electorate trust labour with the economy more than the tories, nothing else matters, 4 more years
Google? It was proven on a previous thread that we interacted on, that information on google can be flawed or misinterpreted.
I believe this is another example of that.
Headline figures are not being disputed in my posts, what I'm calling out is the poor record labour have in managing the UK economy, and leaving it to the conservative party to manage once the damage has been done. The debt and position we were in in 2010 has still not been resolved fully and led to austerity.
My point is clear, the labour strategy today has not changed, they are reverting to type and with it we are carrying huge risk.
If the economy was doing so well why were they tories annihilated at the last election , the electorate don’t won’t then ruining at anymore , facts
I have not said the economy was doing well, I said the economy never fully recovered from the position it was handed over in 2010.
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country." Growth takes a long time. Can't realistically expect the measures to take effect immediately. And there was a very small growth already. I really don't think you can say things like "I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt" without recognising that they had 14 years to do this, and they borrowed more than all previous governments in history combined (even before the pandemic). | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country. Growth takes a long time. Can't realistically expect the measures to take effect immediately. And there was a very small growth already. I really don't think you can say things like "I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt" without recognising that they had 14 years to do this, and they borrowed more than all previous governments in history combined (even before the pandemic)." That is my point... I wouldn't expect the conservatives to successfully manage the amount of debt being run up right now, they struggled in 2010 and we all struggled as a result. Hence the high risk I'm saying we are now running with. | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Debt went up 30 % in the last 14 years , and the Tory’s wont be getting in anytime soon
Exactly my point...
Labour’s approach to economic management has historically prioritised short term gains, resulting in longterm economic instability. The same debt driven trajectory is repeating here, the consequences will bring years of economic stagnation and pain again.
It is clear that Labour governments and labour voters are not a good recipe for a stable economy over the longterm, we can thank the red wall for securing brexit as an example...
The tories have just ruined the economy
Do you have anything we can discuss that supports what you think?
Try Google, here are the facts, the electorate trust labour with the economy more than the tories, nothing else matters, 4 more years
Google? It was proven on a previous thread that we interacted on, that information on google can be flawed or misinterpreted.
I believe this is another example of that.
Headline figures are not being disputed in my posts, what I'm calling out is the poor record labour have in managing the UK economy, and leaving it to the conservative party to manage once the damage has been done. The debt and position we were in in 2010 has still not been resolved fully and led to austerity.
My point is clear, the labour strategy today has not changed, they are reverting to type and with it we are carrying huge risk.
If the economy was doing so well why were they tories annihilated at the last election , the electorate don’t won’t then ruining at anymore , facts
I have not said the economy was doing well, I said the economy never fully recovered from the position it was handed over in 2010.
You are holding labour responsible for the economy in 2010, i an holding the tories responsible for the economy in 2024, however , the electorate are the most important judge "You are missing the point by making it tribal. I'm holding government responsible, regardless of party. If you can't see this you will be played by the constant references to inheritance, we had to this, the tories did x, labour did y. The government should be held accountable and right now the government are taking risks that will hinder the next government, be it the same party with a different leader or a different party. | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country. Growth takes a long time. Can't realistically expect the measures to take effect immediately. And there was a very small growth already. I really don't think you can say things like "I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt" without recognising that they had 14 years to do this, and they borrowed more than all previous governments in history combined (even before the pandemic). That is my point... I wouldn't expect the conservatives to successfully manage the amount of debt being run up right now, they struggled in 2010 and we all struggled as a result. Hence the high risk I'm saying we are now running with. " Erm. But "the amount of debt being run up right now". The Conservatives ran up way more debt, so why are you looking to the party of borrow borrow borrow to borrow less? | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country. Growth takes a long time. Can't realistically expect the measures to take effect immediately. And there was a very small growth already. I really don't think you can say things like "I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt" without recognising that they had 14 years to do this, and they borrowed more than all previous governments in history combined (even before the pandemic). That is my point... I wouldn't expect the conservatives to successfully manage the amount of debt being run up right now, they struggled in 2010 and we all struggled as a result. Hence the high risk I'm saying we are now running with. Erm. But "the amount of debt being run up right now". The Conservatives ran up way more debt, so why are you looking to the party of borrow borrow borrow to borrow less?" The money they are raising is not enough for what they’ve spent, that is not a good place to be at all, they’ve basically shot themselves in the foot on the interest rates the will be borrowing to underpin the spending. They’re not economically sound in their plans, is my view | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Debt went up 30 % in the last 14 years , and the Tory’s wont be getting in anytime soon
Exactly my point...
Labour’s approach to economic management has historically prioritised short term gains, resulting in longterm economic instability. The same debt driven trajectory is repeating here, the consequences will bring years of economic stagnation and pain again.
It is clear that Labour governments and labour voters are not a good recipe for a stable economy over the longterm, we can thank the red wall for securing brexit as an example...
The tories have just ruined the economy
Do you have anything we can discuss that supports what you think?
Try Google, here are the facts, the electorate trust labour with the economy more than the tories, nothing else matters, 4 more years
Google? It was proven on a previous thread that we interacted on, that information on google can be flawed or misinterpreted.
I believe this is another example of that.
Headline figures are not being disputed in my posts, what I'm calling out is the poor record labour have in managing the UK economy, and leaving it to the conservative party to manage once the damage has been done. The debt and position we were in in 2010 has still not been resolved fully and led to austerity.
My point is clear, the labour strategy today has not changed, they are reverting to type and with it we are carrying huge risk.
If the economy was doing so well why were they tories annihilated at the last election , the electorate don’t won’t then ruining at anymore , facts
I have not said the economy was doing well, I said the economy never fully recovered from the position it was handed over in 2010.
You are holding labour responsible for the economy in 2010, i an holding the tories responsible for the economy in 2024, however , the electorate are the most important judge
You are missing the point by making it tribal.
I'm holding government responsible, regardless of party.
If you can't see this you will be played by the constant references to inheritance, we had to this, the tories did x, labour did y.
The government should be held accountable and right now the government are taking risks that will hinder the next government, be it the same party with a different leader or a different party. "In your opinion | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country. Growth takes a long time. Can't realistically expect the measures to take effect immediately. And there was a very small growth already. I really don't think you can say things like "I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt" without recognising that they had 14 years to do this, and they borrowed more than all previous governments in history combined (even before the pandemic). That is my point... I wouldn't expect the conservatives to successfully manage the amount of debt being run up right now, they struggled in 2010 and we all struggled as a result. Hence the high risk I'm saying we are now running with. Erm. But "the amount of debt being run up right now". The Conservatives ran up way more debt, so why are you looking to the party of borrow borrow borrow to borrow less? The money they are raising is not enough for what they’ve spent, that is not a good place to be at all, they’ve basically shot themselves in the foot on the interest rates the will be borrowing to underpin the spending. They’re not economically sound in their plans, is my view" I see today that although the BOE reduced rates, actual mortgage rates are increasing instead of falling. Hopefully it's a short term thing but with the anti business and anti growth budget, working people don't need another shock | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country. Growth takes a long time. Can't realistically expect the measures to take effect immediately. And there was a very small growth already. I really don't think you can say things like "I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt" without recognising that they had 14 years to do this, and they borrowed more than all previous governments in history combined (even before the pandemic). That is my point... I wouldn't expect the conservatives to successfully manage the amount of debt being run up right now, they struggled in 2010 and we all struggled as a result. Hence the high risk I'm saying we are now running with. Erm. But "the amount of debt being run up right now". The Conservatives ran up way more debt, so why are you looking to the party of borrow borrow borrow to borrow less? The money they are raising is not enough for what they’ve spent, that is not a good place to be at all, they’ve basically shot themselves in the foot on the interest rates the will be borrowing to underpin the spending. They’re not economically sound in their plans, is my view" So just more of the same borrowing, but with the benefit more spending? | |||
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"Yes looking forward to a major Labour pivot in about two years time. Up to now UK performance has been slightly ahead of the EU average over the last few years, not that either is anything to write home about. Under Labour at best we are going to get stagnation and probably recession. So expect performance to fall behind the EU which for the most part will continue to bumble along with negligible growth. Labour already running out of steam on everything being the Tories’ fault, so they will need a new scapegoat. Expect them to start blaming the UK not being in the EU for everything. That way they can head into the next election with four years of dismal economic performance behind them, with a promise that things will improve if they get a mandate to rejoin the EU. Starmer is on record ‘the UK’s future is outside the European Union.’ 31 May 2023 Later he said. Britain is back’, promising the UK will be at the heart of Europe to ensure future generations can look back “on what our continent achieved together”. 14 July 2024 … flip flop … Get used to it Change of direction based on new information, great leadership What “new information” is that then? What info changes his stance on Europe? Or are you just desperately trying to make excuses for his ever-changing views? 2 sides to every story Jimmy, you spin the negative and I will spin the positive " I tend to be factual. You are a labour cheerleader and try to shut down alike who comments on them or questions them. | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country. Growth takes a long time. Can't realistically expect the measures to take effect immediately. And there was a very small growth already. I really don't think you can say things like "I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt" without recognising that they had 14 years to do this, and they borrowed more than all previous governments in history combined (even before the pandemic). That is my point... I wouldn't expect the conservatives to successfully manage the amount of debt being run up right now, they struggled in 2010 and we all struggled as a result. Hence the high risk I'm saying we are now running with. Erm. But "the amount of debt being run up right now". The Conservatives ran up way more debt, so why are you looking to the party of borrow borrow borrow to borrow less? The money they are raising is not enough for what they’ve spent, that is not a good place to be at all, they’ve basically shot themselves in the foot on the interest rates the will be borrowing to underpin the spending. They’re not economically sound in their plans, is my view I see today that although the BOE reduced rates, actual mortgage rates are increasing instead of falling. Hopefully it's a short term thing but with the anti business and anti growth budget, working people don't need another shock" The money Reeves has raised outside of the tax rises has been through extra borrowing, which increased the gilt yield when the plan was announced, pushing up their borrowing costs. It will happen again in 2 years is market predictions, and she has laid it out now so gilt yields will inevitably go up again. | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country. Growth takes a long time. Can't realistically expect the measures to take effect immediately. And there was a very small growth already. I really don't think you can say things like "I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt" without recognising that they had 14 years to do this, and they borrowed more than all previous governments in history combined (even before the pandemic). That is my point... I wouldn't expect the conservatives to successfully manage the amount of debt being run up right now, they struggled in 2010 and we all struggled as a result. Hence the high risk I'm saying we are now running with. Erm. But "the amount of debt being run up right now". The Conservatives ran up way more debt, so why are you looking to the party of borrow borrow borrow to borrow less? The money they are raising is not enough for what they’ve spent, that is not a good place to be at all, they’ve basically shot themselves in the foot on the interest rates the will be borrowing to underpin the spending. They’re not economically sound in their plans, is my view So just more of the same borrowing, but with the benefit more spending?" No, borrowing on flimsy plans that will invest tax payers money mainly into private sector sweeteners for some very sketchy enterprises that we haven't got the skills or cash to fund ourselves. The Private funding initiative in all but name, it smacks of the Blair mistakes when labour promised infrastructure and service improvements, that we are still paying off that off today. | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country. Growth takes a long time. Can't realistically expect the measures to take effect immediately. And there was a very small growth already. I really don't think you can say things like "I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt" without recognising that they had 14 years to do this, and they borrowed more than all previous governments in history combined (even before the pandemic). That is my point... I wouldn't expect the conservatives to successfully manage the amount of debt being run up right now, they struggled in 2010 and we all struggled as a result. Hence the high risk I'm saying we are now running with. Erm. But "the amount of debt being run up right now". The Conservatives ran up way more debt, so why are you looking to the party of borrow borrow borrow to borrow less? The money they are raising is not enough for what they’ve spent, that is not a good place to be at all, they’ve basically shot themselves in the foot on the interest rates the will be borrowing to underpin the spending. They’re not economically sound in their plans, is my view So just more of the same borrowing, but with the benefit more spending? No, borrowing on flimsy plans that will invest tax payers money mainly into private sector sweeteners for some very sketchy enterprises that we haven't got the skills or cash to fund ourselves. The Private funding initiative in all but name, it smacks of the Blair mistakes when labour promised infrastructure and service improvements, that we are still paying off that off today. " Okay, so I'll guess we'll see how it pans out. I maintain that the country has been left in sure a dire situation after the Tories and Brexit that it's going to take something bigger like a global economic upturn to make any meaningful difference. | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country. Growth takes a long time. Can't realistically expect the measures to take effect immediately. And there was a very small growth already. I really don't think you can say things like "I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt" without recognising that they had 14 years to do this, and they borrowed more than all previous governments in history combined (even before the pandemic). That is my point... I wouldn't expect the conservatives to successfully manage the amount of debt being run up right now, they struggled in 2010 and we all struggled as a result. Hence the high risk I'm saying we are now running with. Erm. But "the amount of debt being run up right now". The Conservatives ran up way more debt, so why are you looking to the party of borrow borrow borrow to borrow less? The money they are raising is not enough for what they’ve spent, that is not a good place to be at all, they’ve basically shot themselves in the foot on the interest rates the will be borrowing to underpin the spending. They’re not economically sound in their plans, is my view So just more of the same borrowing, but with the benefit more spending? No, borrowing on flimsy plans that will invest tax payers money mainly into private sector sweeteners for some very sketchy enterprises that we haven't got the skills or cash to fund ourselves. The Private funding initiative in all but name, it smacks of the Blair mistakes when labour promised infrastructure and service improvements, that we are still paying off that off today. Okay, so I'll guess we'll see how it pans out. I maintain that the country has been left in sure a dire situation after the Tories and Brexit that it's going to take something bigger like a global economic upturn to make any meaningful difference. " You missed out covid, and to be honest I'm not sure why as it is the one thing labour or its supporters can't be held responsible for. Brexit, the northern red wall made sure of that, along with another term of tory leadership. The labour party fell apart so badly after obliterating the economy it offered up no opposition for 12 years, leaving it to the tories to pick up the mess. I can't help feeling a moment of deja vu. | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country. Growth takes a long time. Can't realistically expect the measures to take effect immediately. And there was a very small growth already. I really don't think you can say things like "I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt" without recognising that they had 14 years to do this, and they borrowed more than all previous governments in history combined (even before the pandemic). That is my point... I wouldn't expect the conservatives to successfully manage the amount of debt being run up right now, they struggled in 2010 and we all struggled as a result. Hence the high risk I'm saying we are now running with. Erm. But "the amount of debt being run up right now". The Conservatives ran up way more debt, so why are you looking to the party of borrow borrow borrow to borrow less? The money they are raising is not enough for what they’ve spent, that is not a good place to be at all, they’ve basically shot themselves in the foot on the interest rates the will be borrowing to underpin the spending. They’re not economically sound in their plans, is my view So just more of the same borrowing, but with the benefit more spending? No, borrowing on flimsy plans that will invest tax payers money mainly into private sector sweeteners for some very sketchy enterprises that we haven't got the skills or cash to fund ourselves. The Private funding initiative in all but name, it smacks of the Blair mistakes when labour promised infrastructure and service improvements, that we are still paying off that off today. Okay, so I'll guess we'll see how it pans out. I maintain that the country has been left in sure a dire situation after the Tories and Brexit that it's going to take something bigger like a global economic upturn to make any meaningful difference. You missed out covid, and to be honest I'm not sure why as it is the one thing labour or its supporters can't be held responsible for. Brexit, the northern red wall made sure of that, along with another term of tory leadership. The labour party fell apart so badly after obliterating the economy it offered up no opposition for 12 years, leaving it to the tories to pick up the mess. I can't help feeling a moment of deja vu. " Yes Covid did about 6 months worth of economic damage. Fair point. I do think it's funny that as part of defending the Tories you're saying it's Labours fault that the Tories (who were shit) were in power for so long. | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country. Growth takes a long time. Can't realistically expect the measures to take effect immediately. And there was a very small growth already. I really don't think you can say things like "I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt" without recognising that they had 14 years to do this, and they borrowed more than all previous governments in history combined (even before the pandemic). That is my point... I wouldn't expect the conservatives to successfully manage the amount of debt being run up right now, they struggled in 2010 and we all struggled as a result. Hence the high risk I'm saying we are now running with. Erm. But "the amount of debt being run up right now". The Conservatives ran up way more debt, so why are you looking to the party of borrow borrow borrow to borrow less? The money they are raising is not enough for what they’ve spent, that is not a good place to be at all, they’ve basically shot themselves in the foot on the interest rates the will be borrowing to underpin the spending. They’re not economically sound in their plans, is my view So just more of the same borrowing, but with the benefit more spending? No, borrowing on flimsy plans that will invest tax payers money mainly into private sector sweeteners for some very sketchy enterprises that we haven't got the skills or cash to fund ourselves. The Private funding initiative in all but name, it smacks of the Blair mistakes when labour promised infrastructure and service improvements, that we are still paying off that off today. Okay, so I'll guess we'll see how it pans out. I maintain that the country has been left in sure a dire situation after the Tories and Brexit that it's going to take something bigger like a global economic upturn to make any meaningful difference. You missed out covid, and to be honest I'm not sure why as it is the one thing labour or its supporters can't be held responsible for. Brexit, the northern red wall made sure of that, along with another term of tory leadership. The labour party fell apart so badly after obliterating the economy it offered up no opposition for 12 years, leaving it to the tories to pick up the mess. I can't help feeling a moment of deja vu. Yes Covid did about 6 months worth of economic damage. Fair point. I do think it's funny that as part of defending the Tories you're saying it's Labours fault that the Tories (who were shit) were in power for so long." I'm not following your reasoning. Covid was accountable for 6 months of economic damage? That is wild, I can't even think where to begin, so I wont. It was the labour party and labour voters who kept tories in power for the extended amount of time, they voted tory in labour strong holds, and the labour party could not present a credible party leader and policies. Labour didn't remove the tory party at the GE, tory voters removed them. | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country. Growth takes a long time. Can't realistically expect the measures to take effect immediately. And there was a very small growth already. I really don't think you can say things like "I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt" without recognising that they had 14 years to do this, and they borrowed more than all previous governments in history combined (even before the pandemic). That is my point... I wouldn't expect the conservatives to successfully manage the amount of debt being run up right now, they struggled in 2010 and we all struggled as a result. Hence the high risk I'm saying we are now running with. Erm. But "the amount of debt being run up right now". The Conservatives ran up way more debt, so why are you looking to the party of borrow borrow borrow to borrow less? The money they are raising is not enough for what they’ve spent, that is not a good place to be at all, they’ve basically shot themselves in the foot on the interest rates the will be borrowing to underpin the spending. They’re not economically sound in their plans, is my view So just more of the same borrowing, but with the benefit more spending? No, borrowing on flimsy plans that will invest tax payers money mainly into private sector sweeteners for some very sketchy enterprises that we haven't got the skills or cash to fund ourselves. The Private funding initiative in all but name, it smacks of the Blair mistakes when labour promised infrastructure and service improvements, that we are still paying off that off today. Okay, so I'll guess we'll see how it pans out. I maintain that the country has been left in sure a dire situation after the Tories and Brexit that it's going to take something bigger like a global economic upturn to make any meaningful difference. You missed out covid, and to be honest I'm not sure why as it is the one thing labour or its supporters can't be held responsible for. Brexit, the northern red wall made sure of that, along with another term of tory leadership. The labour party fell apart so badly after obliterating the economy it offered up no opposition for 12 years, leaving it to the tories to pick up the mess. I can't help feeling a moment of deja vu. Yes Covid did about 6 months worth of economic damage. Fair point. I do think it's funny that as part of defending the Tories you're saying it's Labours fault that the Tories (who were shit) were in power for so long. I'm not following your reasoning. Covid was accountable for 6 months of economic damage? That is wild, I can't even think where to begin, so I wont. It was the labour party and labour voters who kept tories in power for the extended amount of time, they voted tory in labour strong holds, and the labour party could not present a credible party leader and policies. Labour didn't remove the tory party at the GE, tory voters removed them. " This is some truly bonkers logic. I can only assume you're taking the piss out of something and I'm not getting it? | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country. Growth takes a long time. Can't realistically expect the measures to take effect immediately. And there was a very small growth already. I really don't think you can say things like "I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt" without recognising that they had 14 years to do this, and they borrowed more than all previous governments in history combined (even before the pandemic). That is my point... I wouldn't expect the conservatives to successfully manage the amount of debt being run up right now, they struggled in 2010 and we all struggled as a result. Hence the high risk I'm saying we are now running with. Erm. But "the amount of debt being run up right now". The Conservatives ran up way more debt, so why are you looking to the party of borrow borrow borrow to borrow less? The money they are raising is not enough for what they’ve spent, that is not a good place to be at all, they’ve basically shot themselves in the foot on the interest rates the will be borrowing to underpin the spending. They’re not economically sound in their plans, is my view So just more of the same borrowing, but with the benefit more spending? No, borrowing on flimsy plans that will invest tax payers money mainly into private sector sweeteners for some very sketchy enterprises that we haven't got the skills or cash to fund ourselves. The Private funding initiative in all but name, it smacks of the Blair mistakes when labour promised infrastructure and service improvements, that we are still paying off that off today. Okay, so I'll guess we'll see how it pans out. I maintain that the country has been left in sure a dire situation after the Tories and Brexit that it's going to take something bigger like a global economic upturn to make any meaningful difference. You missed out covid, and to be honest I'm not sure why as it is the one thing labour or its supporters can't be held responsible for. Brexit, the northern red wall made sure of that, along with another term of tory leadership. The labour party fell apart so badly after obliterating the economy it offered up no opposition for 12 years, leaving it to the tories to pick up the mess. I can't help feeling a moment of deja vu. Yes Covid did about 6 months worth of economic damage. Fair point. I do think it's funny that as part of defending the Tories you're saying it's Labours fault that the Tories (who were shit) were in power for so long. I'm not following your reasoning. Covid was accountable for 6 months of economic damage? That is wild, I can't even think where to begin, so I wont. It was the labour party and labour voters who kept tories in power for the extended amount of time, they voted tory in labour strong holds, and the labour party could not present a credible party leader and policies. Labour didn't remove the tory party at the GE, tory voters removed them. " Who cares, labour thrashed the tories, | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country. Growth takes a long time. Can't realistically expect the measures to take effect immediately. And there was a very small growth already. I really don't think you can say things like "I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt" without recognising that they had 14 years to do this, and they borrowed more than all previous governments in history combined (even before the pandemic). That is my point... I wouldn't expect the conservatives to successfully manage the amount of debt being run up right now, they struggled in 2010 and we all struggled as a result. Hence the high risk I'm saying we are now running with. Erm. But "the amount of debt being run up right now". The Conservatives ran up way more debt, so why are you looking to the party of borrow borrow borrow to borrow less? The money they are raising is not enough for what they’ve spent, that is not a good place to be at all, they’ve basically shot themselves in the foot on the interest rates the will be borrowing to underpin the spending. They’re not economically sound in their plans, is my view So just more of the same borrowing, but with the benefit more spending? No, borrowing on flimsy plans that will invest tax payers money mainly into private sector sweeteners for some very sketchy enterprises that we haven't got the skills or cash to fund ourselves. The Private funding initiative in all but name, it smacks of the Blair mistakes when labour promised infrastructure and service improvements, that we are still paying off that off today. Okay, so I'll guess we'll see how it pans out. I maintain that the country has been left in sure a dire situation after the Tories and Brexit that it's going to take something bigger like a global economic upturn to make any meaningful difference. You missed out covid, and to be honest I'm not sure why as it is the one thing labour or its supporters can't be held responsible for. Brexit, the northern red wall made sure of that, along with another term of tory leadership. The labour party fell apart so badly after obliterating the economy it offered up no opposition for 12 years, leaving it to the tories to pick up the mess. I can't help feeling a moment of deja vu. Yes Covid did about 6 months worth of economic damage. Fair point. I do think it's funny that as part of defending the Tories you're saying it's Labours fault that the Tories (who were shit) were in power for so long. I'm not following your reasoning. Covid was accountable for 6 months of economic damage? That is wild, I can't even think where to begin, so I wont. It was the labour party and labour voters who kept tories in power for the extended amount of time, they voted tory in labour strong holds, and the labour party could not present a credible party leader and policies. Labour didn't remove the tory party at the GE, tory voters removed them. This is some truly bonkers logic. I can only assume you're taking the piss out of something and I'm not getting it?" Explain what you see as bonkers, put some meat on the bones. | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country. Growth takes a long time. Can't realistically expect the measures to take effect immediately. And there was a very small growth already. I really don't think you can say things like "I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt" without recognising that they had 14 years to do this, and they borrowed more than all previous governments in history combined (even before the pandemic). That is my point... I wouldn't expect the conservatives to successfully manage the amount of debt being run up right now, they struggled in 2010 and we all struggled as a result. Hence the high risk I'm saying we are now running with. Erm. But "the amount of debt being run up right now". The Conservatives ran up way more debt, so why are you looking to the party of borrow borrow borrow to borrow less? The money they are raising is not enough for what they’ve spent, that is not a good place to be at all, they’ve basically shot themselves in the foot on the interest rates the will be borrowing to underpin the spending. They’re not economically sound in their plans, is my view So just more of the same borrowing, but with the benefit more spending? No, borrowing on flimsy plans that will invest tax payers money mainly into private sector sweeteners for some very sketchy enterprises that we haven't got the skills or cash to fund ourselves. The Private funding initiative in all but name, it smacks of the Blair mistakes when labour promised infrastructure and service improvements, that we are still paying off that off today. Okay, so I'll guess we'll see how it pans out. I maintain that the country has been left in sure a dire situation after the Tories and Brexit that it's going to take something bigger like a global economic upturn to make any meaningful difference. You missed out covid, and to be honest I'm not sure why as it is the one thing labour or its supporters can't be held responsible for. Brexit, the northern red wall made sure of that, along with another term of tory leadership. The labour party fell apart so badly after obliterating the economy it offered up no opposition for 12 years, leaving it to the tories to pick up the mess. I can't help feeling a moment of deja vu. Yes Covid did about 6 months worth of economic damage. Fair point. I do think it's funny that as part of defending the Tories you're saying it's Labours fault that the Tories (who were shit) were in power for so long. I'm not following your reasoning. Covid was accountable for 6 months of economic damage? That is wild, I can't even think where to begin, so I wont. It was the labour party and labour voters who kept tories in power for the extended amount of time, they voted tory in labour strong holds, and the labour party could not present a credible party leader and policies. Labour didn't remove the tory party at the GE, tory voters removed them. Who cares, labour thrashed the tories, "your honesty is refreshing | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country. Growth takes a long time. Can't realistically expect the measures to take effect immediately. And there was a very small growth already. I really don't think you can say things like "I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt" without recognising that they had 14 years to do this, and they borrowed more than all previous governments in history combined (even before the pandemic). That is my point... I wouldn't expect the conservatives to successfully manage the amount of debt being run up right now, they struggled in 2010 and we all struggled as a result. Hence the high risk I'm saying we are now running with. Erm. But "the amount of debt being run up right now". The Conservatives ran up way more debt, so why are you looking to the party of borrow borrow borrow to borrow less? The money they are raising is not enough for what they’ve spent, that is not a good place to be at all, they’ve basically shot themselves in the foot on the interest rates the will be borrowing to underpin the spending. They’re not economically sound in their plans, is my view So just more of the same borrowing, but with the benefit more spending? No, borrowing on flimsy plans that will invest tax payers money mainly into private sector sweeteners for some very sketchy enterprises that we haven't got the skills or cash to fund ourselves. The Private funding initiative in all but name, it smacks of the Blair mistakes when labour promised infrastructure and service improvements, that we are still paying off that off today. Okay, so I'll guess we'll see how it pans out. I maintain that the country has been left in sure a dire situation after the Tories and Brexit that it's going to take something bigger like a global economic upturn to make any meaningful difference. You missed out covid, and to be honest I'm not sure why as it is the one thing labour or its supporters can't be held responsible for. Brexit, the northern red wall made sure of that, along with another term of tory leadership. The labour party fell apart so badly after obliterating the economy it offered up no opposition for 12 years, leaving it to the tories to pick up the mess. I can't help feeling a moment of deja vu. Yes Covid did about 6 months worth of economic damage. Fair point. I do think it's funny that as part of defending the Tories you're saying it's Labours fault that the Tories (who were shit) were in power for so long. I'm not following your reasoning. Covid was accountable for 6 months of economic damage? That is wild, I can't even think where to begin, so I wont. It was the labour party and labour voters who kept tories in power for the extended amount of time, they voted tory in labour strong holds, and the labour party could not present a credible party leader and policies. Labour didn't remove the tory party at the GE, tory voters removed them. This is some truly bonkers logic. I can only assume you're taking the piss out of something and I'm not getting it? Explain what you see as bonkers, put some meat on the bones. " That people other than the Tories and those who voted for them are at fault for the brutal 14 years of Tory rule. | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country. Growth takes a long time. Can't realistically expect the measures to take effect immediately. And there was a very small growth already. I really don't think you can say things like "I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt" without recognising that they had 14 years to do this, and they borrowed more than all previous governments in history combined (even before the pandemic). That is my point... I wouldn't expect the conservatives to successfully manage the amount of debt being run up right now, they struggled in 2010 and we all struggled as a result. Hence the high risk I'm saying we are now running with. Erm. But "the amount of debt being run up right now". The Conservatives ran up way more debt, so why are you looking to the party of borrow borrow borrow to borrow less? The money they are raising is not enough for what they’ve spent, that is not a good place to be at all, they’ve basically shot themselves in the foot on the interest rates the will be borrowing to underpin the spending. They’re not economically sound in their plans, is my view So just more of the same borrowing, but with the benefit more spending? No, borrowing on flimsy plans that will invest tax payers money mainly into private sector sweeteners for some very sketchy enterprises that we haven't got the skills or cash to fund ourselves. The Private funding initiative in all but name, it smacks of the Blair mistakes when labour promised infrastructure and service improvements, that we are still paying off that off today. Okay, so I'll guess we'll see how it pans out. I maintain that the country has been left in sure a dire situation after the Tories and Brexit that it's going to take something bigger like a global economic upturn to make any meaningful difference. You missed out covid, and to be honest I'm not sure why as it is the one thing labour or its supporters can't be held responsible for. Brexit, the northern red wall made sure of that, along with another term of tory leadership. The labour party fell apart so badly after obliterating the economy it offered up no opposition for 12 years, leaving it to the tories to pick up the mess. I can't help feeling a moment of deja vu. Yes Covid did about 6 months worth of economic damage. Fair point. I do think it's funny that as part of defending the Tories you're saying it's Labours fault that the Tories (who were shit) were in power for so long. I'm not following your reasoning. Covid was accountable for 6 months of economic damage? That is wild, I can't even think where to begin, so I wont. It was the labour party and labour voters who kept tories in power for the extended amount of time, they voted tory in labour strong holds, and the labour party could not present a credible party leader and policies. Labour didn't remove the tory party at the GE, tory voters removed them. This is some truly bonkers logic. I can only assume you're taking the piss out of something and I'm not getting it? Explain what you see as bonkers, put some meat on the bones. That people other than the Tories and those who voted for them are at fault for the brutal 14 years of Tory rule. " Brutal? Are you referring to austerity measures? You know why they were needed? I mentioned it earlier the out going Labour government spent spent spent, and left us high and dry. | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country. Growth takes a long time. Can't realistically expect the measures to take effect immediately. And there was a very small growth already. I really don't think you can say things like "I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt" without recognising that they had 14 years to do this, and they borrowed more than all previous governments in history combined (even before the pandemic). That is my point... I wouldn't expect the conservatives to successfully manage the amount of debt being run up right now, they struggled in 2010 and we all struggled as a result. Hence the high risk I'm saying we are now running with. Erm. But "the amount of debt being run up right now". The Conservatives ran up way more debt, so why are you looking to the party of borrow borrow borrow to borrow less? The money they are raising is not enough for what they’ve spent, that is not a good place to be at all, they’ve basically shot themselves in the foot on the interest rates the will be borrowing to underpin the spending. They’re not economically sound in their plans, is my view So just more of the same borrowing, but with the benefit more spending? No, borrowing on flimsy plans that will invest tax payers money mainly into private sector sweeteners for some very sketchy enterprises that we haven't got the skills or cash to fund ourselves. The Private funding initiative in all but name, it smacks of the Blair mistakes when labour promised infrastructure and service improvements, that we are still paying off that off today. Okay, so I'll guess we'll see how it pans out. I maintain that the country has been left in sure a dire situation after the Tories and Brexit that it's going to take something bigger like a global economic upturn to make any meaningful difference. You missed out covid, and to be honest I'm not sure why as it is the one thing labour or its supporters can't be held responsible for. Brexit, the northern red wall made sure of that, along with another term of tory leadership. The labour party fell apart so badly after obliterating the economy it offered up no opposition for 12 years, leaving it to the tories to pick up the mess. I can't help feeling a moment of deja vu. Yes Covid did about 6 months worth of economic damage. Fair point. I do think it's funny that as part of defending the Tories you're saying it's Labours fault that the Tories (who were shit) were in power for so long. I'm not following your reasoning. Covid was accountable for 6 months of economic damage? That is wild, I can't even think where to begin, so I wont. It was the labour party and labour voters who kept tories in power for the extended amount of time, they voted tory in labour strong holds, and the labour party could not present a credible party leader and policies. Labour didn't remove the tory party at the GE, tory voters removed them. This is some truly bonkers logic. I can only assume you're taking the piss out of something and I'm not getting it? Explain what you see as bonkers, put some meat on the bones. That people other than the Tories and those who voted for them are at fault for the brutal 14 years of Tory rule. Brutal? Are you referring to austerity measures? You know why they were needed? I mentioned it earlier the out going Labour government spent spent spent, and left us high and dry. " Austerity, Brexit, stoking culture wars against immigrants, homeless, care workers, NHS, people who eat tofu etc etc. And austerity was "needed" so that they could continue to allow tax avoidance, and to shift more of the burden onto the most vulnerable elements of society. Not sure why you're defending this, while condemning means tested fuel grants. And you'll know that the Tories absolutely smash the shit out of any "Labour government spent spent spent, and left us high and dry. " Making it look like peanuts. | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country. Growth takes a long time. Can't realistically expect the measures to take effect immediately. And there was a very small growth already. I really don't think you can say things like "I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt" without recognising that they had 14 years to do this, and they borrowed more than all previous governments in history combined (even before the pandemic). That is my point... I wouldn't expect the conservatives to successfully manage the amount of debt being run up right now, they struggled in 2010 and we all struggled as a result. Hence the high risk I'm saying we are now running with. Erm. But "the amount of debt being run up right now". The Conservatives ran up way more debt, so why are you looking to the party of borrow borrow borrow to borrow less? The money they are raising is not enough for what they’ve spent, that is not a good place to be at all, they’ve basically shot themselves in the foot on the interest rates the will be borrowing to underpin the spending. They’re not economically sound in their plans, is my view So just more of the same borrowing, but with the benefit more spending? No, borrowing on flimsy plans that will invest tax payers money mainly into private sector sweeteners for some very sketchy enterprises that we haven't got the skills or cash to fund ourselves. The Private funding initiative in all but name, it smacks of the Blair mistakes when labour promised infrastructure and service improvements, that we are still paying off that off today. Okay, so I'll guess we'll see how it pans out. I maintain that the country has been left in sure a dire situation after the Tories and Brexit that it's going to take something bigger like a global economic upturn to make any meaningful difference. You missed out covid, and to be honest I'm not sure why as it is the one thing labour or its supporters can't be held responsible for. Brexit, the northern red wall made sure of that, along with another term of tory leadership. The labour party fell apart so badly after obliterating the economy it offered up no opposition for 12 years, leaving it to the tories to pick up the mess. I can't help feeling a moment of deja vu. Yes Covid did about 6 months worth of economic damage. Fair point. I do think it's funny that as part of defending the Tories you're saying it's Labours fault that the Tories (who were shit) were in power for so long. I'm not following your reasoning. Covid was accountable for 6 months of economic damage? That is wild, I can't even think where to begin, so I wont. It was the labour party and labour voters who kept tories in power for the extended amount of time, they voted tory in labour strong holds, and the labour party could not present a credible party leader and policies. Labour didn't remove the tory party at the GE, tory voters removed them. This is some truly bonkers logic. I can only assume you're taking the piss out of something and I'm not getting it? Explain what you see as bonkers, put some meat on the bones. That people other than the Tories and those who voted for them are at fault for the brutal 14 years of Tory rule. Brutal? Are you referring to austerity measures? You know why they were needed? I mentioned it earlier the out going Labour government spent spent spent, and left us high and dry. Austerity, Brexit, stoking culture wars against immigrants, homeless, care workers, NHS, people who eat tofu etc etc. And austerity was "needed" so that they could continue to allow tax avoidance, and to shift more of the burden onto the most vulnerable elements of society. Not sure why you're defending this, while condemning means tested fuel grants. And you'll know that the Tories absolutely smash the shit out of any "Labour government spent spent spent, and left us high and dry. " Making it look like peanuts." In respect to your views, I can’t continue to discuss economic policies with you. | |||
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"This labour government are not learning from the lessons and history of the last time they were in power, and I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt left behind from them as they did in 2010. Why would they do that. They just had 14 years worth of opportunity, and they increased the debt. I think you will need to look back and follow what was left as debt, in terms of the deals and obligations they signed up to. You will then see it was never really going to be a UK debt that would simply go away, we still carry so much of that debt today and will continue to carry it. So how or why would the Tories reduce the debt? They're the party of borrow borrow borrow. They weren’t in a position to be that kind of party, facing economic constraints that left them with few options. Labour is now treading a fine line, with no flexibility and having created a £35 billion shortfall they will likely have to borrow to address. Public sector pay rise overspend and tax hikes aimed at funding growth which are already backfiring, as the tax increases hinder economic expansion. If these growth strategies fail by year two, the economy will stall. Rachel Reeves decision to grab the council pension funds adds yet another significant risk to us the tax payer. The level of debt risk and cost we are now carrying is significant enough to destabilise the country. Growth takes a long time. Can't realistically expect the measures to take effect immediately. And there was a very small growth already. I really don't think you can say things like "I can already see that the conservatives will need to aggressively manage the debt" without recognising that they had 14 years to do this, and they borrowed more than all previous governments in history combined (even before the pandemic). That is my point... I wouldn't expect the conservatives to successfully manage the amount of debt being run up right now, they struggled in 2010 and we all struggled as a result. Hence the high risk I'm saying we are now running with. Erm. But "the amount of debt being run up right now". The Conservatives ran up way more debt, so why are you looking to the party of borrow borrow borrow to borrow less? The money they are raising is not enough for what they’ve spent, that is not a good place to be at all, they’ve basically shot themselves in the foot on the interest rates the will be borrowing to underpin the spending. They’re not economically sound in their plans, is my view So just more of the same borrowing, but with the benefit more spending? No, borrowing on flimsy plans that will invest tax payers money mainly into private sector sweeteners for some very sketchy enterprises that we haven't got the skills or cash to fund ourselves. The Private funding initiative in all but name, it smacks of the Blair mistakes when labour promised infrastructure and service improvements, that we are still paying off that off today. Okay, so I'll guess we'll see how it pans out. I maintain that the country has been left in sure a dire situation after the Tories and Brexit that it's going to take something bigger like a global economic upturn to make any meaningful difference. You missed out covid, and to be honest I'm not sure why as it is the one thing labour or its supporters can't be held responsible for. Brexit, the northern red wall made sure of that, along with another term of tory leadership. The labour party fell apart so badly after obliterating the economy it offered up no opposition for 12 years, leaving it to the tories to pick up the mess. I can't help feeling a moment of deja vu. Yes Covid did about 6 months worth of economic damage. Fair point. I do think it's funny that as part of defending the Tories you're saying it's Labours fault that the Tories (who were shit) were in power for so long. I'm not following your reasoning. Covid was accountable for 6 months of economic damage? That is wild, I can't even think where to begin, so I wont. It was the labour party and labour voters who kept tories in power for the extended amount of time, they voted tory in labour strong holds, and the labour party could not present a credible party leader and policies. Labour didn't remove the tory party at the GE, tory voters removed them. This is some truly bonkers logic. I can only assume you're taking the piss out of something and I'm not getting it? Explain what you see as bonkers, put some meat on the bones. That people other than the Tories and those who voted for them are at fault for the brutal 14 years of Tory rule. Brutal? Are you referring to austerity measures? You know why they were needed? I mentioned it earlier the out going Labour government spent spent spent, and left us high and dry. Austerity, Brexit, stoking culture wars against immigrants, homeless, care workers, NHS, people who eat tofu etc etc. And austerity was "needed" so that they could continue to allow tax avoidance, and to shift more of the burden onto the most vulnerable elements of society. Not sure why you're defending this, while condemning means tested fuel grants. And you'll know that the Tories absolutely smash the shit out of any "Labour government spent spent spent, and left us high and dry. " Making it look like peanuts. In respect to your views, I can’t continue to discuss economic policies with you. " Fair enough. | |||
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