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"That's a big fucking drop... From 18 to 9. Fucking disgusting " Yeah, but you can have two wives, each 9. That's 18  | |||
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"That's a big fucking drop... From 18 to 9. Fucking disgusting Yeah, but you can have two wives, each 9. That's 18 "Bruh  | |||
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"With much panic about women's rights being repealed in America once Trump takes power can we also shed light on women's rights across the world? Iraq is set to change the age of consent to 9, reports Lilia Sebouai I understand we shouldn't pass judgement on other cultures but this is nothing less than barbaric Surely you'd expect the religious institutions of these countries to speak out vehemently against such proposals " I’m not sure how women’s rights have managed to regress all over the world, and mostly unchallenged. | |||
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" Surely you'd expect the religious institutions of these countries to speak out vehemently against such proposals " Why would they? Aren't these religious institutions supportive of this idea? | |||
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" Surely you'd expect the religious institutions of these countries to speak out vehemently against such proposals Why would they? Aren't these religious institutions supportive of this idea?" its not long ago our very goverment tried to lower the age of consent to a similar age probably prince andrews idea | |||
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" Surely you'd expect the religious institutions of these countries to speak out vehemently against such proposals Why would they? Aren't these religious institutions supportive of this idea?its not long ago our very goverment tried to lower the age of consent to a similar age probably prince andrews idea " I didn't know about that. But not surprised tbh  | |||
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"With much panic about women's rights being repealed in America once Trump takes power can we also shed light on women's rights across the world? Iraq is set to change the age of consent to 9, reports Lilia Sebouai I understand we shouldn't pass judgement on other cultures but this is nothing less than barbaric Surely you'd expect the religious institutions of these countries to speak out vehemently against such proposals " Why shouldn't we pass judgement in other cultures? Especially when they are barbaric. | |||
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"We should perhaps look to our own record on women’s rights before passing judgment on others. Lack of action on grooming gangs. Men in women’s spaces." Also true | |||
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"With much panic about women's rights being repealed in America once Trump takes power can we also shed light on women's rights across the world? Iraq is set to change the age of consent to 9, reports Lilia Sebouai I understand we shouldn't pass judgement on other cultures but this is nothing less than barbaric Surely you'd expect the religious institutions of these countries to speak out vehemently against such proposals " Just read in the telegraph about Iraqi intention to legalise marriage from age of 9, also women no longer having the right to divorce, custody of children or inheritance. These proposals are abhorrent. | |||
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"This century seems to be the backlash to the last regards womens rights. Today some men feel they need to ascert their authority over women and old values creep back in as per the Thaliban. As for Iraq they seem to be on a breeding programme to out populate the West and women's rights aren't important. " If it is about procreation, then the law shouldn't allow marriage before start of menstruation. Just a thought, but I bet FGM would be on the increase, or done at a younger age. Girls/women being possessions of men. | |||
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"That's a big fucking drop... From 18 to 9. Fucking disgusting " I saw Ricky gervais talking about something similar (a country where age of consent is 12), and he was saying it inevitably leads to some guy standing on court saying “your honour, she looked 12”. | |||
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"We should perhaps look to our own record on women’s rights before passing judgment on others. Lack of action on grooming gangs. Men in women’s spaces." Not really the same thing. Not even close | |||
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"That's a big fucking drop... From 18 to 9. Fucking disgusting I saw Ricky gervais talking about something similar (a country where age of consent is 12), and he was saying it inevitably leads to some guy standing on court saying “your honour, she looked 12”. " I remember this skit. You have to laugh at the ridiculousness of it I know the Americans think we (the UK) are odd because part's of their county have consent at 18 so they judge us as being low, and Bahrain has it at 21 Not wanting to impose our collective morals on others is fair enough, but I can't imagine anyone in their right mind thinks NINE is acceptable It's a minefield now, and though 16 is ours I've heard conversation of age gap being taken into consideration (for example, while 16 is legal, there a lot of discomfort with the idea of a 16 with say a 20 year old or older (whereas when you reach a certain age any age gap feels acceptable) | |||
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"This century seems to be the backlash to the last regards womens rights. Today some men feel they need to ascert their authority over women and old values creep back in as per the Thaliban. As for Iraq they seem to be on a breeding programme to out populate the West and women's rights aren't important. If it is about procreation, then the law shouldn't allow marriage before start of menstruation. Just a thought, but I bet FGM would be on the increase, or done at a younger age. Girls/women being possessions of men." Just read on an Oxford law site that there's a drive to reduce fertility and fgm (currently nearly 60% of women having suffered fgm, 60% of them between 4 and 7 years old  ) in kurdistan. | |||
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"This century seems to be the backlash to the last regards womens rights. Today some men feel they need to ascert their authority over women and old values creep back in as per the Thaliban. As for Iraq they seem to be on a breeding programme to out populate the West and women's rights aren't important. If it is about procreation, then the law shouldn't allow marriage before start of menstruation. Just a thought, but I bet FGM would be on the increase, or done at a younger age. Girls/women being possessions of men. Just read on an Oxford law site that there's a drive to reduce fertility and fgm (currently nearly 60% of women having suffered fgm, 60% of them between 4 and 7 years old ) in kurdistan."That's a good sign, fgm is horrific When you say a drive to reduce fertility, do you mean a drive to increase the availability of safe sex methods? I'm just clarifying please, to make sure it's right in my head, thank you | |||
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"With much panic about women's rights being repealed in America once Trump takes power can we also shed light on women's rights across the world? Iraq is set to change the age of consent to 9, reports Lilia Sebouai I understand we shouldn't pass judgement on other cultures but this is nothing less than barbaric Surely you'd expect the religious institutions of these countries to speak out vehemently against such proposals " Women do well in usa and will continue to do so under Trump, they can handle themselves just as equal to men. As for Iraq, we the UK walked away from the place it's a hell hole where the corrupt make the laws. | |||
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"This century seems to be the backlash to the last regards womens rights. Today some men feel they need to ascert their authority over women and old values creep back in as per the Thaliban. As for Iraq they seem to be on a breeding programme to out populate the West and women's rights aren't important. If it is about procreation, then the law shouldn't allow marriage before start of menstruation. Just a thought, but I bet FGM would be on the increase, or done at a younger age. Girls/women being possessions of men. Just read on an Oxford law site that there's a drive to reduce fertility and fgm (currently nearly 60% of women having suffered fgm, 60% of them between 4 and 7 years old ) in kurdistan.
That's a good sign, fgm is horrific
When you say a drive to reduce fertility, do you mean a drive to increase the availability of safe sex methods? I'm just clarifying please, to make sure it's right in my head, thank you"Birth-rate, I recall a statement of reducing it to 3 children per woman by 2030. | |||
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"With much panic about women's rights being repealed in America once Trump takes power can we also shed light on women's rights across the world? Iraq is set to change the age of consent to 9, reports Lilia Sebouai I understand we shouldn't pass judgement on other cultures but this is nothing less than barbaric Surely you'd expect the religious institutions of these countries to speak out vehemently against such proposals Women do well in usa and will continue to do so under Trump, they can handle themselves just as equal to men. As for Iraq, we the UK walked away from the place it's a hell hole where the corrupt make the laws. " The recent abortion law amendments need to be repealed. | |||
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"This century seems to be the backlash to the last regards womens rights. Today some men feel they need to ascert their authority over women and old values creep back in as per the Thaliban. As for Iraq they seem to be on a breeding programme to out populate the West and women's rights aren't important. If it is about procreation, then the law shouldn't allow marriage before start of menstruation. Just a thought, but I bet FGM would be on the increase, or done at a younger age. Girls/women being possessions of men. Just read on an Oxford law site that there's a drive to reduce fertility and fgm (currently nearly 60% of women having suffered fgm, 60% of them between 4 and 7 years old ) in kurdistan.
That's a good sign, fgm is horrific
When you say a drive to reduce fertility, do you mean a drive to increase the availability of safe sex methods? I'm just clarifying please, to make sure it's right in my head, thank you
Birth-rate, I recall a statement of reducing it to 3 children per woman by 2030."Wonderful, thanks Amelia Only 3, bloody hell that's nuts. I know people with 3 and it strikes me as a lot lol | |||
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"That's a big fucking drop... From 18 to 9. Fucking disgusting I saw Ricky gervais talking about something similar (a country where age of consent is 12), and he was saying it inevitably leads to some guy standing on court saying “your honour, she looked 12”. " Wasn't that Jimmy Carr? | |||
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"With much panic about women's rights being repealed in America once Trump takes power can we also shed light on women's rights across the world? Iraq is set to change the age of consent to 9, reports Lilia Sebouai I understand we shouldn't pass judgement on other cultures but this is nothing less than barbaric Surely you'd expect the religious institutions of these countries to speak out vehemently against such proposals I’m not sure how women’s rights have managed to regress all over the world, and mostly unchallenged." You get hammered on here for mentioning it. The world is going backwards. | |||
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"The reason behind Iran lowering the age of consent to 9 is that Mohammed married his third wife Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated it when she was 9 years old. This may be behind the thinking of lowering the age of consent to 9 years old. Mrs x" its fucking discusting that’s what it is 9 yrold makes me sick | |||
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"The reason behind Iran lowering the age of consent to 9 is that Mohammed married his third wife Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated it when she was 9 years old. This may be behind the thinking of lowering the age of consent to 9 years old. Mrs xits fucking discusting that’s what it is 9 yrold makes me sick " I'm not saying that this is the reason but if it's acceptable for the prophet Mohammed to be having sex with a 9 year old then by that thinking it should be acceptable for the followers of their faith to also have sex with 9 year old. Just for the record I don't agree with this behaviour and I'm disgusted by the thought of it. I'm only suggesting this as a possible reasoning behind this. I may be totally wrong but Mohammed wed Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated the marriage when she was 9 years old. Maybe it's just a coincidence... Mrs x | |||
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"The reason behind Iran lowering the age of consent to 9 is that Mohammed married his third wife Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated it when she was 9 years old. This may be behind the thinking of lowering the age of consent to 9 years old. Mrs xits fucking discusting that’s what it is 9 yrold makes me sick I'm not saying that this is the reason but if it's acceptable for the prophet Mohammed to be having sex with a 9 year old then by that thinking it should be acceptable for the followers of their faith to also have sex with 9 year old. Just for the record I don't agree with this behaviour and I'm disgusted by the thought of it. I'm only suggesting this as a possible reasoning behind this. I may be totally wrong but Mohammed wed Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated the marriage when she was 9 years old. Maybe it's just a coincidence... Mrs x " carefull mr robinson got himself in bother stating facts like the these 😂but i agree its sick | |||
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"The reason behind Iran lowering the age of consent to 9 is that Mohammed married his third wife Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated it when she was 9 years old. This may be behind the thinking of lowering the age of consent to 9 years old. Mrs xits fucking discusting that’s what it is 9 yrold makes me sick I'm not saying that this is the reason but if it's acceptable for the prophet Mohammed to be having sex with a 9 year old then by that thinking it should be acceptable for the followers of their faith to also have sex with 9 year old. Just for the record I don't agree with this behaviour and I'm disgusted by the thought of it. I'm only suggesting this as a possible reasoning behind this. I may be totally wrong but Mohammed wed Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated the marriage when she was 9 years old. Maybe it's just a coincidence... Mrs x carefull mr robinson got himself in bother stating facts like the these 😂but i agree its sick " What I have to be careful for telling the truth now, there's another one of my rights that's gone haha, Mrs x | |||
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"The reason behind Iran lowering the age of consent to 9 is that Mohammed married his third wife Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated it when she was 9 years old. This may be behind the thinking of lowering the age of consent to 9 years old. Mrs xits fucking discusting that’s what it is 9 yrold makes me sick I'm not saying that this is the reason but if it's acceptable for the prophet Mohammed to be having sex with a 9 year old then by that thinking it should be acceptable for the followers of their faith to also have sex with 9 year old. Just for the record I don't agree with this behaviour and I'm disgusted by the thought of it. I'm only suggesting this as a possible reasoning behind this. I may be totally wrong but Mohammed wed Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated the marriage when she was 9 years old. Maybe it's just a coincidence... Mrs x carefull mr robinson got himself in bother stating facts like the these 😂but i agree its sick What I have to be careful for telling the truth now, there's another one of my rights that's gone haha, Mrs x" I’m not sure that the truth and any religious teachings of any faith have ever been seen in the same room. | |||
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"And this isn't something we can simply lay at the door of Muslim countries too, Nigeria has it's age of consent at 11 and the country is 50% catholic " A quick google search shows this not to be true. Legally, it's 18 in Nigeria. The two lowest legal ages in Africa are Niger and Sudan. Niger is at 13 for male and female, Sudan is 13 for males, 12 for females. Both countries are majority muslim. | |||
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"The reason behind Iran lowering the age of consent to 9 is that Mohammed married his third wife Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated it when she was 9 years old. This may be behind the thinking of lowering the age of consent to 9 years old. Mrs xits fucking discusting that’s what it is 9 yrold makes me sick I'm not saying that this is the reason but if it's acceptable for the prophet Mohammed to be having sex with a 9 year old then by that thinking it should be acceptable for the followers of their faith to also have sex with 9 year old. Just for the record I don't agree with this behaviour and I'm disgusted by the thought of it. I'm only suggesting this as a possible reasoning behind this. I may be totally wrong but Mohammed wed Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated the marriage when she was 9 years old. Maybe it's just a coincidence... Mrs x " You have been posting some brave stuff on the internet. Be careful. Plenty of people have been killed for stating this | |||
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"The reason behind Iran lowering the age of consent to 9 is that Mohammed married his third wife Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated it when she was 9 years old. This may be behind the thinking of lowering the age of consent to 9 years old. Mrs xits fucking discusting that’s what it is 9 yrold makes me sick I'm not saying that this is the reason but if it's acceptable for the prophet Mohammed to be having sex with a 9 year old then by that thinking it should be acceptable for the followers of their faith to also have sex with 9 year old. Just for the record I don't agree with this behaviour and I'm disgusted by the thought of it. I'm only suggesting this as a possible reasoning behind this. I may be totally wrong but Mohammed wed Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated the marriage when she was 9 years old. Maybe it's just a coincidence... Mrs x carefull mr robinson got himself in bother stating facts like the these 😂but i agree its sick What I have to be careful for telling the truth now, there's another one of my rights that's gone haha, Mrs x I’m not sure that the truth and any religious teachings of any faith have ever been seen in the same room." All religion is just smoke and mirrors, Mrs x | |||
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"The reason behind Iran lowering the age of consent to 9 is that Mohammed married his third wife Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated it when she was 9 years old. This may be behind the thinking of lowering the age of consent to 9 years old. Mrs xits fucking discusting that’s what it is 9 yrold makes me sick I'm not saying that this is the reason but if it's acceptable for the prophet Mohammed to be having sex with a 9 year old then by that thinking it should be acceptable for the followers of their faith to also have sex with 9 year old. Just for the record I don't agree with this behaviour and I'm disgusted by the thought of it. I'm only suggesting this as a possible reasoning behind this. I may be totally wrong but Mohammed wed Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated the marriage when she was 9 years old. Maybe it's just a coincidence... Mrs x You have been posting some brave stuff on the internet. Be careful. Plenty of people have been killed for stating this "Brave stuff? It's not like I'm Salman Rusdie haha, Mrs x | |||
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"Perhaps you should Google some of the royal family marriage ages in the past ... just saying 😌 " Why is that relevant to anyone wanting to change the age of consent now? Mrs x | |||
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"Perhaps you should Google some of the royal family marriage ages in the past ... just saying 😌 Why is that relevant to anyone wanting to change the age of consent now? Mrs x" Those in glass houses etc not sticking up for lowering consent, but have to look at our own background before judging others | |||
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"With much panic about women's rights being repealed in America once Trump takes power can we also shed light on women's rights across the world? Iraq is set to change the age of consent to 9, reports Lilia Sebouai I understand we shouldn't pass judgement on other cultures but this is nothing less than barbaric Surely you'd expect the religious institutions of these countries to speak out vehemently against such proposals " Why shouldn't we pass judgement on other cultures? | |||
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"Perhaps you should Google some of the royal family marriage ages in the past ... just saying 😌 Why is that relevant to anyone wanting to change the age of consent now? Mrs x Those in glass houses etc not sticking up for lowering consent, but have to look at our own background before judging others " How far are you going back, Apparently Iran want to do this now, there's a big difference. Mrs x | |||
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"Perhaps you should Google some of the royal family marriage ages in the past ... just saying 😌 Why is that relevant to anyone wanting to change the age of consent now? Mrs x Those in glass houses etc not sticking up for lowering consent, but have to look at our own background before judging others How far are you going back, Apparently Iran want to do this now, there's a big difference. Mrs x" That's the point, we said it's all ok, then only really changed 150 years ago, but want to bash another country ... I'm sure there's a few countries in the world who would call some of our laws primitive etc | |||
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"Perhaps you should Google some of the royal family marriage ages in the past ... just saying 😌 Why is that relevant to anyone wanting to change the age of consent now? Mrs x Those in glass houses etc not sticking up for lowering consent, but have to look at our own background before judging others How far are you going back, Apparently Iran want to do this now, there's a big difference. Mrs x That's the point, we said it's all ok, then only really changed 150 years ago, but want to bash another country ... I'm sure there's a few countries in the world who would call some of our laws primitive etc" if anything idd raise it to 21 | |||
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"Perhaps you should Google some of the royal family marriage ages in the past ... just saying 😌 Why is that relevant to anyone wanting to change the age of consent now? Mrs x Those in glass houses etc not sticking up for lowering consent, but have to look at our own background before judging others How far are you going back, Apparently Iran want to do this now, there's a big difference. Mrs x That's the point, we said it's all ok, then only really changed 150 years ago, but want to bash another country ... I'm sure there's a few countries in the world who would call some of our laws primitive etc" 150 years ago is a long time, how does that equate to a decision made today. 9 years old, think about that for a second, a 9 year old child, really? I couldn't care if another country think our laws are primitive at least we don't accept its ok to s**g kids. What happened historically is not a reflection of our societal values today. If Iran bring this about it just shows what a primitive, disgusting society it really is. Mrs x | |||
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"Perhaps you should Google some of the royal family marriage ages in the past ... just saying 😌 Why is that relevant to anyone wanting to change the age of consent now? Mrs x Those in glass houses etc not sticking up for lowering consent, but have to look at our own background before judging others How far are you going back, Apparently Iran want to do this now, there's a big difference. Mrs x That's the point, we said it's all ok, then only really changed 150 years ago, but want to bash another country ... I'm sure there's a few countries in the world who would call some of our laws primitive etc150 years ago is a long time, how does that equate to a decision made today. 9 years old, think about that for a second, a 9 year old child, really? I couldn't care if another country think our laws are primitive at least we don't accept its ok to s**g kids. What happened historically is not a reflection of our societal values today. If Iran bring this about it just shows what a primitive, disgusting society it really is. Mrs x" Hence those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones  | |||
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"Perhaps you should Google some of the royal family marriage ages in the past ... just saying 😌 Why is that relevant to anyone wanting to change the age of consent now? Mrs x Those in glass houses etc not sticking up for lowering consent, but have to look at our own background before judging others How far are you going back, Apparently Iran want to do this now, there's a big difference. Mrs x That's the point, we said it's all ok, then only really changed 150 years ago, but want to bash another country ... I'm sure there's a few countries in the world who would call some of our laws primitive etc150 years ago is a long time, how does that equate to a decision made today. 9 years old, think about that for a second, a 9 year old child, really? I couldn't care if another country think our laws are primitive at least we don't accept its ok to s**g kids. What happened historically is not a reflection of our societal values today. If Iran bring this about it just shows what a primitive, disgusting society it really is. Mrs x Hence those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones "Why are we in a glass house? We raise the age of consent from 12 to 16 over 150 years ago. It's a bit of a silly example, isn't it, when we are discussing what Iran may do today... Mrs x | |||
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"Perhaps you should Google some of the royal family marriage ages in the past ... just saying 😌 Why is that relevant to anyone wanting to change the age of consent now? Mrs x Those in glass houses etc not sticking up for lowering consent, but have to look at our own background before judging others How far are you going back, Apparently Iran want to do this now, there's a big difference. Mrs x That's the point, we said it's all ok, then only really changed 150 years ago, but want to bash another country ... I'm sure there's a few countries in the world who would call some of our laws primitive etc150 years ago is a long time, how does that equate to a decision made today. 9 years old, think about that for a second, a 9 year old child, really? I couldn't care if another country think our laws are primitive at least we don't accept its ok to s**g kids. What happened historically is not a reflection of our societal values today. If Iran bring this about it just shows what a primitive, disgusting society it really is. Mrs x Hence those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones "But on this issue we are not in a glass house, are we, we moved out of the glass house into one with proper construction over 150 years ago | |||
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"Perhaps you should Google some of the royal family marriage ages in the past ... just saying 😌 Why is that relevant to anyone wanting to change the age of consent now? Mrs x Those in glass houses etc not sticking up for lowering consent, but have to look at our own background before judging others How far are you going back, Apparently Iran want to do this now, there's a big difference. Mrs x That's the point, we said it's all ok, then only really changed 150 years ago, but want to bash another country ... I'm sure there's a few countries in the world who would call some of our laws primitive etcif anything idd raise it to 21 " Now that's interesting, do you think that other things (alcohol / driving) should have a higher age limit? | |||
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"That's a big fucking drop... From 18 to 9. Fucking disgusting I saw Ricky gervais talking about something similar (a country where age of consent is 12), and he was saying it inevitably leads to some guy standing on court saying “your honour, she looked 12”. Wasn't that Jimmy Carr?" Could have been. | |||
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"Perhaps you should Google some of the royal family marriage ages in the past ... just saying 😌 Why is that relevant to anyone wanting to change the age of consent now? Mrs x Those in glass houses etc not sticking up for lowering consent, but have to look at our own background before judging others How far are you going back, Apparently Iran want to do this now, there's a big difference. Mrs x That's the point, we said it's all ok, then only really changed 150 years ago, but want to bash another country ... I'm sure there's a few countries in the world who would call some of our laws primitive etc150 years ago is a long time, how does that equate to a decision made today. 9 years old, think about that for a second, a 9 year old child, really? I couldn't care if another country think our laws are primitive at least we don't accept its ok to s**g kids. What happened historically is not a reflection of our societal values today. If Iran bring this about it just shows what a primitive, disgusting society it really is. Mrs x Hence those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Why are we in a glass house? We raise the age of consent from 12 to 16 over 150 years ago.
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"Perhaps you should Google some of the royal family marriage ages in the past ... just saying 😌 Why is that relevant to anyone wanting to change the age of consent now? Mrs x Those in glass houses etc not sticking up for lowering consent, but have to look at our own background before judging others How far are you going back, Apparently Iran want to do this now, there's a big difference. Mrs x That's the point, we said it's all ok, then only really changed 150 years ago, but want to bash another country ... I'm sure there's a few countries in the world who would call some of our laws primitive etc150 years ago is a long time, how does that equate to a decision made today. 9 years old, think about that for a second, a 9 year old child, really? I couldn't care if another country think our laws are primitive at least we don't accept its ok to s**g kids. What happened historically is not a reflection of our societal values today. If Iran bring this about it just shows what a primitive, disgusting society it really is. Mrs x Hence those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Why are we in a glass house? We raise the age of consent from 12 to 16 over 150 years ago.
It's a bit of a silly example, isn't it, when we are discussing what Iran may do today...
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"Perhaps you should Google some of the royal family marriage ages in the past ... just saying 😌 Why is that relevant to anyone wanting to change the age of consent now? Mrs x Those in glass houses etc not sticking up for lowering consent, but have to look at our own background before judging others How far are you going back, Apparently Iran want to do this now, there's a big difference. Mrs x That's the point, we said it's all ok, then only really changed 150 years ago, but want to bash another country ... I'm sure there's a few countries in the world who would call some of our laws primitive etc150 years ago is a long time, how does that equate to a decision made today. 9 years old, think about that for a second, a 9 year old child, really? I couldn't care if another country think our laws are primitive at least we don't accept its ok to s**g kids. What happened historically is not a reflection of our societal values today. If Iran bring this about it just shows what a primitive, disgusting society it really is. Mrs x Hence those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Why are we in a glass house? We raise the age of consent from 12 to 16 over 150 years ago.
It's a bit of a silly example, isn't it, when we are discussing what Iran may do today...
Mrs xit shows to me we are atleast 150 yrs ahead of Iran in civilisation and morality Has anyone seen anything about the reasoning behind wanting to reduce the age of consent in Iran?
Why are they considering doing this?
Mrs x"peodos that’s only reason why else and another thing why do the mothers not stand up and protest it’s there daughters after all fucking weird | |||
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"Perhaps you should Google some of the royal family marriage ages in the past ... just saying 😌 Why is that relevant to anyone wanting to change the age of consent now? Mrs x Those in glass houses etc not sticking up for lowering consent, but have to look at our own background before judging others How far are you going back, Apparently Iran want to do this now, there's a big difference. Mrs x That's the point, we said it's all ok, then only really changed 150 years ago, but want to bash another country ... I'm sure there's a few countries in the world who would call some of our laws primitive etc150 years ago is a long time, how does that equate to a decision made today. 9 years old, think about that for a second, a 9 year old child, really? I couldn't care if another country think our laws are primitive at least we don't accept its ok to s**g kids. What happened historically is not a reflection of our societal values today. If Iran bring this about it just shows what a primitive, disgusting society it really is. Mrs x Hence those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Why are we in a glass house? We raise the age of consent from 12 to 16 over 150 years ago.
It's a bit of a silly example, isn't it, when we are discussing what Iran may do today...
Mrs xit shows to me we are atleast 150 yrs ahead of Iran in civilisation and morality Has anyone seen anything about the reasoning behind wanting to reduce the age of consent in Iran?
Why are they considering doing this?
Mrs xpeodos that’s only reason why else and another thing why do the mothers not stand up and protest it’s there daughters after all fucking weird "It's because woman have less, to no rights, in countries such as these. Ots scandalous and sad at the same time. Mrs x | |||
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"Strong women can stand up for themselves just as good as men can. He'll they even fought for the right to fight on front line in war." Not in a draconian society , where they aren't even second class, have no rights or protection. Iran are showing what they think of woman when even considering lowering the age of consent. A 9 year old girl is more of a baby than a woman, remember that, Mrs x | |||
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"This century seems to be the backlash to the last regards womens rights. Today some men feel they need to ascert their authority over women and old values creep back in as per the Thaliban. As for Iraq they seem to be on a breeding programme to out populate the West and women's rights aren't important. If it is about procreation, then the law shouldn't allow marriage before start of menstruation. Just a thought, but I bet FGM would be on the increase, or done at a younger age. Girls/women being possessions of men. Just read on an Oxford law site that there's a drive to reduce fertility and fgm (currently nearly 60% of women having suffered fgm, 60% of them between 4 and 7 years old ) in kurdistan.
That's a good sign, fgm is horrific
When you say a drive to reduce fertility, do you mean a drive to increase the availability of safe sex methods? I'm just clarifying please, to make sure it's right in my head, thank you
Birth-rate, I recall a statement of reducing it to 3 children per woman by 2030.
Wonderful, thanks Amelia
Only 3, bloody hell that's nuts. I know people with 3 and it strikes me as a lot lol"I have 5 | |||
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"Perhaps you should Google some of the royal family marriage ages in the past ... just saying 😌 Why is that relevant to anyone wanting to change the age of consent now? Mrs x Those in glass houses etc not sticking up for lowering consent, but have to look at our own background before judging others " Oh behave. If you look at most countries histories, childhood was much shorter than today. Then look at the average ages of death. Include how dangerous childbirth was for the mother, and the babies. Take everything in context. Trying to reduce age of consent to 9 nowadays is barbaric! | |||
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"With much panic about women's rights being repealed in America once Trump takes power can we also shed light on women's rights across the world? Iraq is set to change the age of consent to 9, reports Lilia Sebouai I understand we shouldn't pass judgement on other cultures but this is nothing less than barbaric Surely you'd expect the religious institutions of these countries to speak out vehemently against such proposals Women do well in usa and will continue to do so under Trump, they can handle themselves just as equal to men. As for Iraq, we the UK walked away from the place it's a hell hole where the corrupt make the laws. " ...except when it comes to reproductive rights...or as trumps dinner guest would say..."your body my choice ".. | |||
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"Strong women can stand up for themselves just as good as men can. He'll they even fought for the right to fight on front line in war." Not in a sh1thole like Iraq. Or in any of the other oppressive regimes run by bearded old twats who interpret their religion in whatever way suits their ends. | |||
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"Strong women can stand up for themselves just as good as men can. He'll they even fought for the right to fight on front line in war. Not in a sh1thole like Iraq. Or in any of the other oppressive regimes run by bearded old twats who interpret their religion in whatever way suits their ends. " Some of them don't have beards. Just floppy blonde hair. | |||
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Which ones? Mrs x"Any. One cannot assume because there are Goddesses that they wish girl power  | |||
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Which ones? Mrs x
Any. One cannot assume because there are Goddesses that they wish girl power "Most of these Goddeses religions are based upon theories about certain practices. There isn't a predominantly female led, priesthood type of religion. Male dominated religion developed from the need by the 'intellectual' class to exert power over the 'Warrior' classes, the kings and Warlords of the past. They wanted to grab power from those that could take it at the end of a sword and had no need or desire to share whatever power they could wrestle away from this 'Warrior' class. Just another example of woman being denied any rights by men. Mrs x | |||
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"Religion has always subjugated woman Mrs x Are you saying matriarchal religions subjugate women too?
Which ones? Mrs x
Any. One cannot assume because there are Goddesses that they wish girl power Most of these Goddeses religions are based upon theories about certain practices. There isn't a predominantly female led, priesthood type of religion. Male dominated religion developed from the need by the 'intellectual' class to exert power over the 'Warrior' classes, the kings and Warlords of the past. They wanted to grab power from those that could take it at the end of a sword and had no need or desire to share whatever power they could wrestle away from this 'Warrior' class.
Just another example of woman being denied any rights by men.
Mrs x"Class/caste was most definitely the hierarchy of (most) religions. Hinduism - priesthood highest caste, untouchables lowest. In Christianity in this country you had wealth of the ruling classes, passed down to the eldest son, the second was often persuaded to go into the church. And women, possessions. | |||
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"Religion has always subjugated woman Mrs x Are you saying matriarchal religions subjugate women too?
Which ones? Mrs x
Any. One cannot assume because there are Goddesses that they wish girl power Most of these Goddeses religions are based upon theories about certain practices. There isn't a predominantly female led, priesthood type of religion. Male dominated religion developed from the need by the 'intellectual' class to exert power over the 'Warrior' classes, the kings and Warlords of the past. They wanted to grab power from those that could take it at the end of a sword and had no need or desire to share whatever power they could wrestle away from this 'Warrior' class.
Just another example of woman being denied any rights by men.
Mrs x
Class/caste was most definitely the hierarchy of (most) religions. Hinduism - priesthood highest caste, untouchables lowest.
In Christianity in this country you had wealth of the ruling classes, passed down to the eldest son, the second was often persuaded to go into the church. And women, possessions."I think it's becoming more contentious too, with the Woke movement. I feel as if woman are hesitant to uphold their womanhood for fear of a backlash in relation to being called transphobic. The rights that our forebears achieved are being eroded again. I'm not saying deny anyone their rights but don't ignore mine as a woman due to the protests of a vocal minority. Woman died for these rights, respect this. Mrs x | |||
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"Religion has always subjugated woman Mrs x Are you saying matriarchal religions subjugate women too?
Which ones? Mrs x
Any. One cannot assume because there are Goddesses that they wish girl power Most of these Goddeses religions are based upon theories about certain practices. There isn't a predominantly female led, priesthood type of religion. Male dominated religion developed from the need by the 'intellectual' class to exert power over the 'Warrior' classes, the kings and Warlords of the past. They wanted to grab power from those that could take it at the end of a sword and had no need or desire to share whatever power they could wrestle away from this 'Warrior' class.
Just another example of woman being denied any rights by men.
Mrs x
Class/caste was most definitely the hierarchy of (most) religions. Hinduism - priesthood highest caste, untouchables lowest.
In Christianity in this country you had wealth of the ruling classes, passed down to the eldest son, the second was often persuaded to go into the church. And women, possessions.I think it's becoming more contentious too, with the Woke movement.
I feel as if woman are hesitant to uphold their womanhood for fear of a backlash in relation to being called transphobic.
The rights that our forebears achieved are being eroded again. I'm not saying deny anyone their rights but don't ignore mine as a woman due to the protests of a vocal minority. Woman died for these rights, respect this.
Mrs x"Do you mean woke as in the antithesis of its historical connotations, like Andrew whatshisface? You go onto transphobia so I assume not. I'm a CIS woman and personally don't care who wants to use feminine pronouns. But DON'T tell me you're a woman if you have no wish in getting your cock removed and don't you dare infringe on spaces where you might see me, or I you, naked! Obvious a generic "you" to a certain sector of transwomen. The recent news story of Darlington nurses has boiled my piss. | |||
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"Religion has always subjugated woman Mrs x Are you saying matriarchal religions subjugate women too?
Which ones? Mrs x
Any. One cannot assume because there are Goddesses that they wish girl power Most of these Goddeses religions are based upon theories about certain practices. There isn't a predominantly female led, priesthood type of religion. Male dominated religion developed from the need by the 'intellectual' class to exert power over the 'Warrior' classes, the kings and Warlords of the past. They wanted to grab power from those that could take it at the end of a sword and had no need or desire to share whatever power they could wrestle away from this 'Warrior' class.
Just another example of woman being denied any rights by men.
Mrs x
Class/caste was most definitely the hierarchy of (most) religions. Hinduism - priesthood highest caste, untouchables lowest.
In Christianity in this country you had wealth of the ruling classes, passed down to the eldest son, the second was often persuaded to go into the church. And women, possessions.I think it's becoming more contentious too, with the Woke movement.
I feel as if woman are hesitant to uphold their womanhood for fear of a backlash in relation to being called transphobic.
The rights that our forebears achieved are being eroded again. I'm not saying deny anyone their rights but don't ignore mine as a woman due to the protests of a vocal minority. Woman died for these rights, respect this.
Mrs x
Do you mean woke as in the antithesis of its historical connotations, like Andrew whatshisface? You go onto transphobia so I assume not.
I'm a CIS woman and personally don't care who wants to use feminine pronouns. But DON'T tell me you're a woman if you have no wish in getting your cock removed and don't you dare infringe on spaces where you might see me, or I you, naked! Obvious a generic "you" to a certain sector of transwomen.
The recent news story of Darlington nurses has boiled my piss."I hate the use of the word Cis, it's superfluous, does not better describe anything and is being pushed onto us by a vocal minority. It's just another example of woman being told that this is how we should see ourselves by a vocal minority. I'm a woman, nothing more, nothing less do me the same respect and don't refer to me as something I'm not just because it makes you feel more comfortable. Obviously I don't mean you, just in general, rant over. Mrs x | |||
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"Religion has always subjugated woman Mrs x Are you saying matriarchal religions subjugate .?
Which ones? Mrs x
Any. One cannot assume because there are Goddesses that they wish girl power Most of these Goddeses religions are based upon theories about certain practices. There isn't a predominantly female led, priesthood type of religion. Male dominated religion developed from the need by the 'intellectual' class to exert power over the 'Warrior' classes, the kings and Warlords of the past. They wanted to grab power from those that could take it at the end of a sword and had no need or desire to share whatever power they could wrestle away from this 'Warrior' class.
Just another example of woman being denied any rights by men.
Mrs x
Class/caste was most definitely the hierarchy of (most) religions. Hinduism - priesthood highest caste, untouchables lowest.
In Christianity in this country you had wealth of the ruling classes, passed down to the eldest son, the second was often persuaded to go into the church. And women, possessions.I think it's becoming more contentious too, with the Woke movement.
I feel as if woman are hesitant to uphold their womanhood for fear of a backlash in relation to being called transphobic.
The rights that our forebears achieved are being eroded again. I'm not saying deny anyone their rights but don't ignore mine as a woman due to the protests of a vocal minority. Woman died for these rights, respect this.
Mrs x
Do you mean woke as in the antithesis of its historical connotations, like Andrew whatshisface? You go onto transphobia so I assume not.
I'm a CIS woman and personally don't care who wants to use feminine pronouns. But DON'T tell me you're a woman if you have no wish in getting your cock removed and don't you dare infringe on spaces where you might see me, or I you, naked! Obvious a generic "you" to a certain sector of transwomen.
The recent news story of Darlington nurses has boiled my piss.I hate the use of the word Cis, it's superfluous, does not better describe anything and is being pushed onto us by a vocal minority.
It's just another example of woman being told that this is how we should see ourselves by a vocal minority.
I'm a woman, nothing more, nothing less do me the same respect and don't refer to me as something I'm not just because it makes you feel more comfortable. Obviously I don't mean you, just in general, rant over.
Mrs x"I can relate. It took me a long time to use the cis word, and I only do so as a shortcut in certain contexts. Just to state, before I get accused of transphobia, my heart goes out to those transwomen at whatever stage of their journey they're at, who loathe that appendage attached to them because it doesn't align with their female brain. Those people who actually want to keep their penis but grow breasts and use female pronouns., then we must come up with an acceptable gender. I don't know if she-male or he-she are acceptable. | |||
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"Religion has always subjugated woman Mrs x Are you saying matriarchal religions subjugate .?
Which ones? Mrs x
Any. One cannot assume because there are Goddesses that they wish girl power Most of these Goddeses religions are based upon theories about certain practices. There isn't a predominantly female led, priesthood type of religion. Male dominated religion developed from the need by the 'intellectual' class to exert power over the 'Warrior' classes, the kings and Warlords of the past. They wanted to grab power from those that could take it at the end of a sword and had no need or desire to share whatever power they could wrestle away from this 'Warrior' class.
Just another example of woman being denied any rights by men.
Mrs x
Class/caste was most definitely the hierarchy of (most) religions. Hinduism - priesthood highest caste, untouchables lowest.
In Christianity in this country you had wealth of the ruling classes, passed down to the eldest son, the second was often persuaded to go into the church. And women, possessions.I think it's becoming more contentious too, with the Woke movement.
I feel as if woman are hesitant to uphold their womanhood for fear of a backlash in relation to being called transphobic.
The rights that our forebears achieved are being eroded again. I'm not saying deny anyone their rights but don't ignore mine as a woman due to the protests of a vocal minority. Woman died for these rights, respect this.
Mrs x
Do you mean woke as in the antithesis of its historical connotations, like Andrew whatshisface? You go onto transphobia so I assume not.
I'm a CIS woman and personally don't care who wants to use feminine pronouns. But DON'T tell me you're a woman if you have no wish in getting your cock removed and don't you dare infringe on spaces where you might see me, or I you, naked! Obvious a generic "you" to a certain sector of transwomen.
The recent news story of Darlington nurses has boiled my piss.I hate the use of the word Cis, it's superfluous, does not better describe anything and is being pushed onto us by a vocal minority.
It's just another example of woman being told that this is how we should see ourselves by a vocal minority.
I'm a woman, nothing more, nothing less do me the same respect and don't refer to me as something I'm not just because it makes you feel more comfortable. Obviously I don't mean you, just in general, rant over.
Mrs x
I can relate. It took me a long time to use the cis word, and I only do so as a shortcut in certain contexts.
Just to state, before I get accused of transphobia, my heart goes out to those transwomen at whatever stage of their journey they're at, who loathe that appendage attached to them because it doesn't align with their female brain. Those people who actually want to keep their penis but grow breasts and use female pronouns., then we must come up with an acceptable gender. I don't know if she-male or he-she are acceptable. "You are right an acceptable descriptor needs to be found, without trying to alter already established terms. Mrs x | |||
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"The use of 'Cis' is about trying to make biological women no more than a subset of a larger group which includes biological men. So nonsense, basically. Etymology prefix cis- is Latin and means on this side of. The term cisgender was coined in 1994 as an antonym to transgender (on the other side), and entered into dictionaries starting in 2015 as a result of changes in social discourse about gender. Wiki You cisman you "Aligning with birth gender. But not really a decent term... I am a woman on this side - sounds more like political leanings. I am not a woman on the other side.  | |||
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"The use of 'Cis' is about trying to make biological women no more than a subset of a larger group which includes biological men. So nonsense, basically. Etymology prefix cis- is Latin and means on this side of. The term cisgender was coined in 1994 as an antonym to transgender (on the other side), and entered into dictionaries starting in 2015 as a result of changes in social discourse about gender. Wiki You cisman you "Wokepedia, you mean | |||
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"The use of 'Cis' is about trying to make biological women no more than a subset of a larger group which includes biological men. So nonsense, basically. Etymology prefix cis- is Latin and means on this side of. The term cisgender was coined in 1994 as an antonym to transgender (on the other side), and entered into dictionaries starting in 2015 as a result of changes in social discourse about gender. Wiki You cisman you
Aligning with birth gender. But not really a decent term... I am a woman on this side - sounds more like political leanings. I am not a woman on the other side.
"I don’t think there is a decent term that can be used that isn’t in some way denying reality which will just be more harmful in the long run for these people Once you start playing with the term woman then you lose all baseline for what one actually is | |||
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"The use of 'Cis' is about trying to make biological women no more than a subset of a larger group which includes biological men. So nonsense, basically. Etymology prefix cis- is Latin and means on this side of. The term cisgender was coined in 1994 as an antonym to transgender (on the other side), and entered into dictionaries starting in 2015 as a result of changes in social discourse about gender. Wiki You cisman you
Aligning with birth gender. But not really a decent term... I am a woman on this side - sounds more like political leanings. I am not a woman on the other side.
I don’t think there is a decent term that can be used that isn’t in some way denying reality which will just be more harmful in the long run for these people
Once you start playing with the term woman then you lose all baseline for what one actually is"I disagree, just stick with woman all other variants should be identified separately but you never normally need to change the name of the original. Mrs x | |||
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"The use of 'Cis' is about trying to make biological women no more than a subset of a larger group which includes biological men. So nonsense, basically. Etymology prefix cis- is Latin and means on this side of. The term cisgender was coined in 1994 as an antonym to transgender (on the other side), and entered into dictionaries starting in 2015 as a result of changes in social discourse about gender. Wiki You cisman you "It's has only every been used previously to describe the connection of two molecules in Chemistry, it's not even a biological term. Mrs x | |||
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"Religion has always subjugated woman Mrs x Are you saying matriarchal religions subjugate .?
Which ones? Mrs x
Any. One cannot assume because there are Goddesses that they wish girl power Most of these Goddeses religions are based upon theories about certain practices. There isn't a predominantly female led, priesthood type of religion. Male dominated religion developed from the need by the 'intellectual' class to exert power over the 'Warrior' classes, the kings and Warlords of the past. They wanted to grab power from those that could take it at the end of a sword and had no need or desire to share whatever power they could wrestle away from this 'Warrior' class.
Just another example of woman being denied any rights by men.
Mrs x
Class/caste was most definitely the hierarchy of (most) religions. Hinduism - priesthood highest caste, untouchables lowest.
In Christianity in this country you had wealth of the ruling classes, passed down to the eldest son, the second was often persuaded to go into the church. And women, possessions.I think it's becoming more contentious too, with the Woke movement.
I feel as if woman are hesitant to uphold their womanhood for fear of a backlash in relation to being called transphobic.
The rights that our forebears achieved are being eroded again. I'm not saying deny anyone their rights but don't ignore mine as a woman due to the protests of a vocal minority. Woman died for these rights, respect this.
Mrs x
Do you mean woke as in the antithesis of its historical connotations, like Andrew whatshisface? You go onto transphobia so I assume not.
I'm a CIS woman and personally don't care who wants to use feminine pronouns. But DON'T tell me you're a woman if you have no wish in getting your cock removed and don't you dare infringe on spaces where you might see me, or I you, naked! Obvious a generic "you" to a certain sector of transwomen.
The recent news story of Darlington nurses has boiled my piss.I hate the use of the word Cis, it's superfluous, does not better describe anything and is being pushed onto us by a vocal minority.
It's just another example of woman being told that this is how we should see ourselves by a vocal minority.
I'm a woman, nothing more, nothing less do me the same respect and don't refer to me as something I'm not just because it makes you feel more comfortable. Obviously I don't mean you, just in general, rant over.
Mrs x
I can relate. It took me a long time to use the cis word, and I only do so as a shortcut in certain contexts.
Just to state, before I get accused of transphobia, my heart goes out to those transwomen at whatever stage of their journey they're at, who loathe that appendage attached to them because it doesn't align with their female brain. Those people who actually want to keep their penis but grow breasts and use female pronouns., then we must come up with an acceptable gender. I don't know if she-male or he-she are acceptable. You are right an acceptable descriptor needs to be found, without trying to alter already established terms.
Mrs x"I agree with you wholeheartedly on this one, you are a woman, end of. For me, if a transwoman wants to keep their male sex, they can be gendered as a trans-woman, if they choose to undergo full surgery, then they can be gendered as a woman. Maybe that's too simple though. | |||
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"Religion has always subjugated woman Mrs x Are you saying matriarchal religions subjugate .?
Which ones? Mrs x
Any. One cannot assume because there are Goddesses that they wish girl power Most of these Goddeses religions are based upon theories about certain practices. There isn't a predominantly female led, priesthood type of religion. Male dominated religion developed from the need by the 'intellectual' class to exert power over the 'Warrior' classes, the kings and Warlords of the past. They wanted to grab power from those that could take it at the end of a sword and had no need or desire to share whatever power they could wrestle away from this 'Warrior' class.
Just another example of woman being denied any rights by men.
Mrs x
Class/caste was most definitely the hierarchy of (most) religions. Hinduism - priesthood highest caste, untouchables lowest.
In Christianity in this country you had wealth of the ruling classes, passed down to the eldest son, the second was often persuaded to go into the church. And women, possessions.I think it's becoming more contentious too, with the Woke movement.
I feel as if woman are hesitant to uphold their womanhood for fear of a backlash in relation to being called transphobic.
The rights that our forebears achieved are being eroded again. I'm not saying deny anyone their rights but don't ignore mine as a woman due to the protests of a vocal minority. Woman died for these rights, respect this.
Mrs x
Do you mean woke as in the antithesis of its historical connotations, like Andrew whatshisface? You go onto transphobia so I assume not.
I'm a CIS woman and personally don't care who wants to use feminine pronouns. But DON'T tell me you're a woman if you have no wish in getting your cock removed and don't you dare infringe on spaces where you might see me, or I you, naked! Obvious a generic "you" to a certain sector of transwomen.
The recent news story of Darlington nurses has boiled my piss.I hate the use of the word Cis, it's superfluous, does not better describe anything and is being pushed onto us by a vocal minority.
It's just another example of woman being told that this is how we should see ourselves by a vocal minority.
I'm a woman, nothing more, nothing less do me the same respect and don't refer to me as something I'm not just because it makes you feel more comfortable. Obviously I don't mean you, just in general, rant over.
Mrs x
I can relate. It took me a long time to use the cis word, and I only do so as a shortcut in certain contexts.
Just to state, before I get accused of transphobia, my heart goes out to those transwomen at whatever stage of their journey they're at, who loathe that appendage attached to them because it doesn't align with their female brain. Those people who actually want to keep their penis but grow breasts and use female pronouns., then we must come up with an acceptable gender. I don't know if she-male or he-she are acceptable. You are right an acceptable descriptor needs to be found, without trying to alter already established terms.
Mrs x
I agree with you wholeheartedly on this one, you are a woman, end of.
For me, if a transwoman wants to keep their male sex, they can be gendered as a trans-woman, if they choose to undergo full surgery, then they can be gendered as a woman.
Maybe that's too simple though. "I still think they should be a transwoman, you've only got to look at tge mess in competition sport, you can change your bits and pieces but you cannot change your DNA and the like. It's not fair for woman to be categorised so they'd come up against a trans woman. Have different categories like they do in the Special Olympics, Mrs x | |||
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"Religion has always subjugated woman Mrs x Are you saying matriarchal religions subjugate .?
Which ones? Mrs x
Any. One cannot assume because there are Goddesses that they wish girl power Most of these Goddeses religions are based upon theories about certain practices. There isn't a predominantly female led, priesthood type of religion. Male dominated religion developed from the need by the 'intellectual' class to exert power over the 'Warrior' classes, the kings and Warlords of the past. They wanted to grab power from those that could take it at the end of a sword and had no need or desire to share whatever power they could wrestle away from this 'Warrior' class.
Just another example of woman being denied any rights by men.
Mrs x
Class/caste was most definitely the hierarchy of (most) religions. Hinduism - priesthood highest caste, untouchables lowest.
In Christianity in this country you had wealth of the ruling classes, passed down to the eldest son, the second was often persuaded to go into the church. And women, possessions.I think it's becoming more contentious too, with the Woke movement.
I feel as if woman are hesitant to uphold their womanhood for fear of a backlash in relation to being called transphobic.
The rights that our forebears achieved are being eroded again. I'm not saying deny anyone their rights but don't ignore mine as a woman due to the protests of a vocal minority. Woman died for these rights, respect this.
Mrs x
Do you mean woke as in the antithesis of its historical connotations, like Andrew whatshisface? You go onto transphobia so I assume not.
I'm a CIS woman and personally don't care who wants to use feminine pronouns. But DON'T tell me you're a woman if you have no wish in getting your cock removed and don't you dare infringe on spaces where you might see me, or I you, naked! Obvious a generic "you" to a certain sector of transwomen.
The recent news story of Darlington nurses has boiled my piss.I hate the use of the word Cis, it's superfluous, does not better describe anything and is being pushed onto us by a vocal minority.
It's just another example of woman being told that this is how we should see ourselves by a vocal minority.
I'm a woman, nothing more, nothing less do me the same respect and don't refer to me as something I'm not just because it makes you feel more comfortable. Obviously I don't mean you, just in general, rant over.
Mrs x
I can relate. It took me a long time to use the cis word, and I only do so as a shortcut in certain contexts.
Just to state, before I get accused of transphobia, my heart goes out to those transwomen at whatever stage of their journey they're at, who loathe that appendage attached to them because it doesn't align with their female brain. Those people who actually want to keep their penis but grow breasts and use female pronouns., then we must come up with an acceptable gender. I don't know if she-male or he-she are acceptable. You are right an acceptable descriptor needs to be found, without trying to alter already established terms.
Mrs x
I agree with you wholeheartedly on this one, you are a woman, end of.
For me, if a transwoman wants to keep their male sex, they can be gendered as a trans-woman, if they choose to undergo full surgery, then they can be gendered as a woman.
Maybe that's too simple though. I still think they should be a transwoman, you've only got to look at tge mess in competition sport, you can change your bits and pieces but you cannot change your DNA and the like. It's not fair for woman to be categorised so they'd come up against a trans woman. Have different categories like they do in the Special Olympics, Mrs x"I was trying to be as fair as possible in terms of everyday life. Sport is a different beast entirely. | |||
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"Religion has always subjugated woman Mrs x Are you saying matriarchal religions subjugate .?
Which ones? Mrs x
Any. One cannot assume because there are Goddesses that they wish girl power Most of these Goddeses religions are based upon theories about certain practices. There isn't a predominantly female led, priesthood type of religion. Male dominated religion developed from the need by the 'intellectual' class to exert power over the 'Warrior' classes, the kings and Warlords of the past. They wanted to grab power from those that could take it at the end of a sword and had no need or desire to share whatever power they could wrestle away from this 'Warrior' class.
Just another example of woman being denied any rights by men.
Mrs x
Class/caste was most definitely the hierarchy of (most) religions. Hinduism - priesthood highest caste, untouchables lowest.
In Christianity in this country you had wealth of the ruling classes, passed down to the eldest son, the second was often persuaded to go into the church. And women, possessions.I think it's becoming more contentious too, with the Woke movement.
I feel as if woman are hesitant to uphold their womanhood for fear of a backlash in relation to being called transphobic.
The rights that our forebears achieved are being eroded again. I'm not saying deny anyone their rights but don't ignore mine as a woman due to the protests of a vocal minority. Woman died for these rights, respect this.
Mrs x
Do you mean woke as in the antithesis of its historical connotations, like Andrew whatshisface? You go onto transphobia so I assume not.
I'm a CIS woman and personally don't care who wants to use feminine pronouns. But DON'T tell me you're a woman if you have no wish in getting your cock removed and don't you dare infringe on spaces where you might see me, or I you, naked! Obvious a generic "you" to a certain sector of transwomen.
The recent news story of Darlington nurses has boiled my piss.I hate the use of the word Cis, it's superfluous, does not better describe anything and is being pushed onto us by a vocal minority.
It's just another example of woman being told that this is how we should see ourselves by a vocal minority.
I'm a woman, nothing more, nothing less do me the same respect and don't refer to me as something I'm not just because it makes you feel more comfortable. Obviously I don't mean you, just in general, rant over.
Mrs x
I can relate. It took me a long time to use the cis word, and I only do so as a shortcut in certain contexts.
Just to state, before I get accused of transphobia, my heart goes out to those transwomen at whatever stage of their journey they're at, who loathe that appendage attached to them because it doesn't align with their female brain. Those people who actually want to keep their penis but grow breasts and use female pronouns., then we must come up with an acceptable gender. I don't know if she-male or he-she are acceptable. You are right an acceptable descriptor needs to be found, without trying to alter already established terms.
Mrs x
I agree with you wholeheartedly on this one, you are a woman, end of.
For me, if a transwoman wants to keep their male sex, they can be gendered as a trans-woman, if they choose to undergo full surgery, then they can be gendered as a woman.
Maybe that's too simple though. I still think they should be a transwoman, you've only got to look at tge mess in competition sport, you can change your bits and pieces but you cannot change your DNA and the like. It's not fair for woman to be categorised so they'd come up against a trans woman. Have different categories like they do in the Special Olympics, Mrs x
I was trying to be as fair as possible in terms of everyday life.
Sport is a different beast entirely. "Thing is it's not fair, to all parties. If you have to transition to become your preferred sex I see no reason you cannot be classed as a Transwoman or a trans man but you are not a woman or a man unless you are born that way and remain so. I know it must be hard to want to be something else but wanting something doesn't change your reality. You are what you are and that cannot change on every level. Mrs x | |||
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"Religion has always subjugated woman Mrs x Are you saying matriarchal religions subjugate .?
Which ones? Mrs x
Any. One cannot assume because there are Goddesses that they wish girl power Most of these Goddeses religions are based upon theories about certain practices. There isn't a predominantly female led, priesthood type of religion. Male dominated religion developed from the need by the 'intellectual' class to exert power over the 'Warrior' classes, the kings and Warlords of the past. They wanted to grab power from those that could take it at the end of a sword and had no need or desire to share whatever power they could wrestle away from this 'Warrior' class.
Just another example of woman being denied any rights by men.
Mrs x
Class/caste was most definitely the hierarchy of (most) religions. Hinduism - priesthood highest caste, untouchables lowest.
In Christianity in this country you had wealth of the ruling classes, passed down to the eldest son, the second was often persuaded to go into the church. And women, possessions.I think it's becoming more contentious too, with the Woke movement.
I feel as if woman are hesitant to uphold their womanhood for fear of a backlash in relation to being called transphobic.
The rights that our forebears achieved are being eroded again. I'm not saying deny anyone their rights but don't ignore mine as a woman due to the protests of a vocal minority. Woman died for these rights, respect this.
Mrs x
Do you mean woke as in the antithesis of its historical connotations, like Andrew whatshisface? You go onto transphobia so I assume not.
I'm a CIS woman and personally don't care who wants to use feminine pronouns. But DON'T tell me you're a woman if you have no wish in getting your cock removed and don't you dare infringe on spaces where you might see me, or I you, naked! Obvious a generic "you" to a certain sector of transwomen.
The recent news story of Darlington nurses has boiled my piss.I hate the use of the word Cis, it's superfluous, does not better describe anything and is being pushed onto us by a vocal minority.
It's just another example of woman being told that this is how we should see ourselves by a vocal minority.
I'm a woman, nothing more, nothing less do me the same respect and don't refer to me as something I'm not just because it makes you feel more comfortable. Obviously I don't mean you, just in general, rant over.
Mrs x
I can relate. It took me a long time to use the cis word, and I only do so as a shortcut in certain contexts.
Just to state, before I get accused of transphobia, my heart goes out to those transwomen at whatever stage of their journey they're at, who loathe that appendage attached to them because it doesn't align with their female brain. Those people who actually want to keep their penis but grow breasts and use female pronouns., then we must come up with an acceptable gender. I don't know if she-male or he-she are acceptable. You are right an acceptable descriptor needs to be found, without trying to alter already established terms.
Mrs x
I agree with you wholeheartedly on this one, you are a woman, end of.
For me, if a transwoman wants to keep their male sex, they can be gendered as a trans-woman, if they choose to undergo full surgery, then they can be gendered as a woman.
Maybe that's too simple though. I still think they should be a transwoman, you've only got to look at tge mess in competition sport, you can change your bits and pieces but you cannot change your DNA and the like. It's not fair for woman to be categorised so they'd come up against a trans woman. Have different categories like they do in the Special Olympics, Mrs x
I was trying to be as fair as possible in terms of everyday life.
Sport is a different beast entirely. Thing is it's not fair, to all parties. If you have to transition to become your preferred sex I see no reason you cannot be classed as a Transwoman or a trans man but you are not a woman or a man unless you are born that way and remain so.
I know it must be hard to want to be something else but wanting something doesn't change your reality. You are what you are and that cannot change on every level.
Mrs x"There will never be an agreement on that from some quarters. I'd be perfectly happy to see transpeople gendered as trans-man/woman, but it's not something that affects me personally. | |||
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"Religion has always subjugated woman Mrs x Are you saying matriarchal religions subjugate .?
Which ones? Mrs x
Any. One cannot assume because there are Goddesses that they wish girl power Most of these Goddeses religions are based upon theories about certain practices. There isn't a predominantly female led, priesthood type of religion. Male dominated religion developed from the need by the 'intellectual' class to exert power over the 'Warrior' classes, the kings and Warlords of the past. They wanted to grab power from those that could take it at the end of a sword and had no need or desire to share whatever power they could wrestle away from this 'Warrior' class.
Just another example of woman being denied any rights by men.
Mrs x
Class/caste was most definitely the hierarchy of (most) religions. Hinduism - priesthood highest caste, untouchables lowest.
In Christianity in this country you had wealth of the ruling classes, passed down to the eldest son, the second was often persuaded to go into the church. And women, possessions.I think it's becoming more contentious too, with the Woke movement.
I feel as if woman are hesitant to uphold their womanhood for fear of a backlash in relation to being called transphobic.
The rights that our forebears achieved are being eroded again. I'm not saying deny anyone their rights but don't ignore mine as a woman due to the protests of a vocal minority. Woman died for these rights, respect this.
Mrs x
Do you mean woke as in the antithesis of its historical connotations, like Andrew whatshisface? You go onto transphobia so I assume not.
I'm a CIS woman and personally don't care who wants to use feminine pronouns. But DON'T tell me you're a woman if you have no wish in getting your cock removed and don't you dare infringe on spaces where you might see me, or I you, naked! Obvious a generic "you" to a certain sector of transwomen.
The recent news story of Darlington nurses has boiled my piss.I hate the use of the word Cis, it's superfluous, does not better describe anything and is being pushed onto us by a vocal minority.
It's just another example of woman being told that this is how we should see ourselves by a vocal minority.
I'm a woman, nothing more, nothing less do me the same respect and don't refer to me as something I'm not just because it makes you feel more comfortable. Obviously I don't mean you, just in general, rant over.
Mrs x
I can relate. It took me a long time to use the cis word, and I only do so as a shortcut in certain contexts.
Just to state, before I get accused of transphobia, my heart goes out to those transwomen at whatever stage of their journey they're at, who loathe that appendage attached to them because it doesn't align with their female brain. Those people who actually want to keep their penis but grow breasts and use female pronouns., then we must come up with an acceptable gender. I don't know if she-male or he-she are acceptable. You are right an acceptable descriptor needs to be found, without trying to alter already established terms.
Mrs x
I agree with you wholeheartedly on this one, you are a woman, end of.
For me, if a transwoman wants to keep their male sex, they can be gendered as a trans-woman, if they choose to undergo full surgery, then they can be gendered as a woman.
Maybe that's too simple though. I still think they should be a transwoman, you've only got to look at tge mess in competition sport, you can change your bits and pieces but you cannot change your DNA and the like. It's not fair for woman to be categorised so they'd come up against a trans woman. Have different categories like they do in the Special Olympics, Mrs x
I was trying to be as fair as possible in terms of everyday life.
Sport is a different beast entirely. Thing is it's not fair, to all parties. If you have to transition to become your preferred sex I see no reason you cannot be classed as a Transwoman or a trans man but you are not a woman or a man unless you are born that way and remain so.
I know it must be hard to want to be something else but wanting something doesn't change your reality. You are what you are and that cannot change on every level.
Mrs x
There will never be an agreement on that from some quarters. I'd be perfectly happy to see transpeople gendered as trans-man/woman, but it's not something that affects me personally. "It's will do if you have daughters or hranddaughters, Mrs x | |||
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"Religion has always subjugated woman Mrs x Are you saying matriarchal religions subjugate .?
Which ones? Mrs x
Any. One cannot assume because there are Goddesses that they wish girl power Most of these Goddeses religions are based upon theories about certain practices. There isn't a predominantly female led, priesthood type of religion. Male dominated religion developed from the need by the 'intellectual' class to exert power over the 'Warrior' classes, the kings and Warlords of the past. They wanted to grab power from those that could take it at the end of a sword and had no need or desire to share whatever power they could wrestle away from this 'Warrior' class.
Just another example of woman being denied any rights by men.
Mrs x
Class/caste was most definitely the hierarchy of (most) religions. Hinduism - priesthood highest caste, untouchables lowest.
In Christianity in this country you had wealth of the ruling classes, passed down to the eldest son, the second was often persuaded to go into the church. And women, possessions.I think it's becoming more contentious too, with the Woke movement.
I feel as if woman are hesitant to uphold their womanhood for fear of a backlash in relation to being called transphobic.
The rights that our forebears achieved are being eroded again. I'm not saying deny anyone their rights but don't ignore mine as a woman due to the protests of a vocal minority. Woman died for these rights, respect this.
Mrs x
Do you mean woke as in the antithesis of its historical connotations, like Andrew whatshisface? You go onto transphobia so I assume not.
I'm a CIS woman and personally don't care who wants to use feminine pronouns. But DON'T tell me you're a woman if you have no wish in getting your cock removed and don't you dare infringe on spaces where you might see me, or I you, naked! Obvious a generic "you" to a certain sector of transwomen.
The recent news story of Darlington nurses has boiled my piss.I hate the use of the word Cis, it's superfluous, does not better describe anything and is being pushed onto us by a vocal minority.
It's just another example of woman being told that this is how we should see ourselves by a vocal minority.
I'm a woman, nothing more, nothing less do me the same respect and don't refer to me as something I'm not just because it makes you feel more comfortable. Obviously I don't mean you, just in general, rant over.
Mrs x
I can relate. It took me a long time to use the cis word, and I only do so as a shortcut in certain contexts.
Just to state, before I get accused of transphobia, my heart goes out to those transwomen at whatever stage of their journey they're at, who loathe that appendage attached to them because it doesn't align with their female brain. Those people who actually want to keep their penis but grow breasts and use female pronouns., then we must come up with an acceptable gender. I don't know if she-male or he-she are acceptable. You are right an acceptable descriptor needs to be found, without trying to alter already established terms.
Mrs x
I agree with you wholeheartedly on this one, you are a woman, end of.
For me, if a transwoman wants to keep their male sex, they can be gendered as a trans-woman, if they choose to undergo full surgery, then they can be gendered as a woman.
Maybe that's too simple though. I still think they should be a transwoman, you've only got to look at tge mess in competition sport, you can change your bits and pieces but you cannot change your DNA and the like. It's not fair for woman to be categorised so they'd come up against a trans woman. Have different categories like they do in the Special Olympics, Mrs x
I was trying to be as fair as possible in terms of everyday life.
Sport is a different beast entirely. Thing is it's not fair, to all parties. If you have to transition to become your preferred sex I see no reason you cannot be classed as a Transwoman or a trans man but you are not a woman or a man unless you are born that way and remain so.
I know it must be hard to want to be something else but wanting something doesn't change your reality. You are what you are and that cannot change on every level.
Mrs x
There will never be an agreement on that from some quarters. I'd be perfectly happy to see transpeople gendered as trans-man/woman, but it's not something that affects me personally. It's will do if you have daughters or hranddaughters, Mrs x"I have daughters, it may affect them, not me. They're old enough to have their own opinions on it. | |||
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"Religion has always subjugated woman Mrs x Are you saying matriarchal religions subjugate .?
Which ones? Mrs x
Any. One cannot assume because there are Goddesses that they wish girl power Most of these Goddeses religions are based upon theories about certain practices. There isn't a predominantly female led, priesthood type of religion. Male dominated religion developed from the need by the 'intellectual' class to exert power over the 'Warrior' classes, the kings and Warlords of the past. They wanted to grab power from those that could take it at the end of a sword and had no need or desire to share whatever power they could wrestle away from this 'Warrior' class.
Just another example of woman being denied any rights by men.
Mrs x
Class/caste was most definitely the hierarchy of (most) religions. Hinduism - priesthood highest caste, untouchables lowest.
In Christianity in this country you had wealth of the ruling classes, passed down to the eldest son, the second was often persuaded to go into the church. And women, possessions.I think it's becoming more contentious too, with the Woke movement.
I feel as if woman are hesitant to uphold their womanhood for fear of a backlash in relation to being called transphobic.
The rights that our forebears achieved are being eroded again. I'm not saying deny anyone their rights but don't ignore mine as a woman due to the protests of a vocal minority. Woman died for these rights, respect this.
Mrs x
Do you mean woke as in the antithesis of its historical connotations, like Andrew whatshisface? You go onto transphobia so I assume not.
I'm a CIS woman and personally don't care who wants to use feminine pronouns. But DON'T tell me you're a woman if you have no wish in getting your cock removed and don't you dare infringe on spaces where you might see me, or I you, naked! Obvious a generic "you" to a certain sector of transwomen.
The recent news story of Darlington nurses has boiled my piss.I hate the use of the word Cis, it's superfluous, does not better describe anything and is being pushed onto us by a vocal minority.
It's just another example of woman being told that this is how we should see ourselves by a vocal minority.
I'm a woman, nothing more, nothing less do me the same respect and don't refer to me as something I'm not just because it makes you feel more comfortable. Obviously I don't mean you, just in general, rant over.
Mrs x
I can relate. It took me a long time to use the cis word, and I only do so as a shortcut in certain contexts.
Just to state, before I get accused of transphobia, my heart goes out to those transwomen at whatever stage of their journey they're at, who loathe that appendage attached to them because it doesn't align with their female brain. Those people who actually want to keep their penis but grow breasts and use female pronouns., then we must come up with an acceptable gender. I don't know if she-male or he-she are acceptable. You are right an acceptable descriptor needs to be found, without trying to alter already established terms.
Mrs x
I agree with you wholeheartedly on this one, you are a woman, end of.
For me, if a transwoman wants to keep their male sex, they can be gendered as a trans-woman, if they choose to undergo full surgery, then they can be gendered as a woman.
Maybe that's too simple though. I still think they should be a transwoman, you've only got to look at tge mess in competition sport, you can change your bits and pieces but you cannot change your DNA and the like. It's not fair for woman to be categorised so they'd come up against a trans woman. Have different categories like they do in the Special Olympics, Mrs x
I was trying to be as fair as possible in terms of everyday life.
Sport is a different beast entirely. Thing is it's not fair, to all parties. If you have to transition to become your preferred sex I see no reason you cannot be classed as a Transwoman or a trans man but you are not a woman or a man unless you are born that way and remain so.
I know it must be hard to want to be something else but wanting something doesn't change your reality. You are what you are and that cannot change on every level.
Mrs x
There will never be an agreement on that from some quarters. I'd be perfectly happy to see transpeople gendered as trans-man/woman, but it's not something that affects me personally. "Working in healthcare it's important we know birth sex due to gender risks - a transwoman may still get prostate cancer, for example. Personally I am not bothered about labels as transwomen post surgery can get birth certificate changed, so legally they are women. However, they are definitely not women with a cock and surely have to be transwomen at the max. Even then I'd want them to have least started with the hormones. And for the men who pretend (no not TVs), to get into women's spaces, they need prosecuting. | |||
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