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"It's looking pretty grim for our old continent (UK included). Poor growth, old industries in decline, miles behind in Tech, ageing population, over regulation, high illegal immigration and poor integration, weak governments. Even the EU's own Mario Draghi wrote a recent report full of doom and gloom for our future. It feels like younger and more dynamic countries are leaving us in the dust. "Indeed. Lot's of challenges ahead for Europe. An inward looking US, an aggressive Russia + mates, energy dependence, climate threats, poor productivity, interfering EU. Not good. | |||
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"It's looking pretty grim for our old continent (UK included). Poor growth, old industries in decline, miles behind in Tech, ageing population, over regulation, high illegal immigration and poor integration, weak governments. Even the EU's own Mario Draghi wrote a recent report full of doom and gloom for our future. It feels like younger and more dynamic countries are leaving us in the dust.
Indeed. Lot's of challenges ahead for Europe. An inward looking US, an aggressive Russia + mates, energy dependence, climate threats, poor productivity, interfering EU. Not good."I forgot those.
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"I'm not sure why we should be surprised? If you looked at the EU / UK as a business would you invest in them? " No, is the easy answer! | |||
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"Ageing population, entitled generations expecting everything from governments, a culture of looking down upon successful people and a regulatory framework that has castrated entrepreneurship. A stronger generation must grow out of the hard times. Let's hope that it doesn't take too long for that to happen." I think there is hope in places like Poland and Hungary. | |||
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"Ageing population, entitled generations expecting everything from governments, a culture of looking down upon successful people and a regulatory framework that has castrated entrepreneurship. A stronger generation must grow out of the hard times. Let's hope that it doesn't take too long for that to happen. I think there is hope in places like Poland and Hungary." And Ireland! They have done very well by playing the EU game and attracting EU money for infrastructure, and with stable politics and low Corporation Tax attracted US investment. I can't help wondering that if only we the UK had lead in Europe rather than whinging from the sidelines and then running away whether collectively the UK/EU would now be the powerhouse of the world. The worry now is that we will lose out twice if the US becomes protectionist and the EU follows suit. Unhappy times ahead. | |||
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"Ageing population, entitled generations expecting everything from governments, a culture of looking down upon successful people and a regulatory framework that has castrated entrepreneurship. A stronger generation must grow out of the hard times. Let's hope that it doesn't take too long for that to happen. I think there is hope in places like Poland and Hungary. And Ireland! They have done very well by playing the EU game and attracting EU money for infrastructure, and with stable politics and low Corporation Tax attracted US investment. I can't help wondering that if only we the UK had lead in Europe rather than whinging from the sidelines and then running away whether collectively the UK/EU would now be the powerhouse of the world. The worry now is that we will lose out twice if the US becomes protectionist and the EU follows suit. Unhappy times ahead." if we the U.K. had lead in Europe lol yes Germany and France would have helped with that then lol | |||
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"Ageing population, entitled generations expecting everything from governments, a culture of looking down upon successful people and a regulatory framework that has castrated entrepreneurship. A stronger generation must grow out of the hard times. Let's hope that it doesn't take too long for that to happen. I think there is hope in places like Poland and Hungary. And Ireland! They have done very well by playing the EU game and attracting EU money for infrastructure, and with stable politics and low Corporation Tax attracted US investment. I can't help wondering that if only we the UK had lead in Europe rather than whinging from the sidelines and then running away whether collectively the UK/EU would now be the powerhouse of the world. The worry now is that we will lose out twice if the US becomes protectionist and the EU follows suit. Unhappy times ahead. if we the U.K. had lead in Europe lol yes Germany and France would have helped with that then lol" Was just thinking the same, if Germany and France had been more receptive to UK input we may well have still been in the EU, remember France under De Galle actually blocked our initial joining because he thought we would want too much input. | |||
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"Ageing population, entitled generations expecting everything from governments, a culture of looking down upon successful people and a regulatory framework that has castrated entrepreneurship. A stronger generation must grow out of the hard times. Let's hope that it doesn't take too long for that to happen." All of that 
Europe (including the UK) just isn't competitive and, unless there is a sharp U turn, it's going to get worse.
Endless regulation, high taxes and astronomical energy costs do not encourage investment.
Even with those high taxes we can't fund our services and maintain our infrastructure without massive state borrowing. It has to and WILL hit the buffers sooner or later.
Meanwhile we are still d*unk on consumer spending but buying the goods that we no longer make.
We've exported our jobs and pollution to Asia and they are making everything (and more) that we used to. We get net zero (in more ways than one) and they get net profit.
If I was the CEO of a company looking to locate a new factory. Would I look at a high tax, high energy cost and over regulated country, or somewhere else?
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"Ageing population, entitled generations expecting everything from governments, a culture of looking down upon successful people and a regulatory framework that has castrated entrepreneurship. A stronger generation must grow out of the hard times. Let's hope that it doesn't take too long for that to happen. All of that
Europe (including the UK) just isn't competitive and, unless there is a sharp U turn, it's going to get worse.
Endless regulation, high taxes and astronomical energy costs do not encourage investment.
Even with those high taxes we can't fund our services and maintain our infrastructure without massive state borrowing. It has to and WILL hit the buffers sooner or later.
Meanwhile we are still d*unk on consumer spending but buying the goods that we no longer make.
We've exported our jobs and pollution to Asia and they are making everything (and more) that we used to. We get net zero (in more ways than one) and they get net profit.
If I was the CEO of a company looking to locate a new factory. Would I look at a high tax, high energy cost and over regulated country, or somewhere else?
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"Countries are no different from wealthy families, where the first few generations work hard, make sacrifices ( or loot and plunder , before someone mentions it ) to create the wealth. Then the next few generations who become the beneficiaries become lazy, entitled and decadent. Then obviously the decline happens. The UK and Europe's social benefits have vastly outgrown what they were originally designed for and we are reaping the consequences. " Very good points. | |||
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"Countries are no different from wealthy families, where the first few generations work hard, make sacrifices ( or loot and plunder , before someone mentions it ) to create the wealth. Then the next few generations who become the beneficiaries become lazy, entitled and decadent. Then obviously the decline happens. The UK and Europe's social benefits have vastly outgrown what they were originally designed for and we are reaping the consequences. " Exactly.
But it's not only the social benefits.
As you rightly say Europe has become lazy, entitled and decadent.
Only this week the UK Labour government is proposing a 4 day working week. All fine and dandy, up the workers and all that.
Meanwhile our competitors are working 60 (or more) hour weeks and producing the products we are buying.
It's easy to spend money (until it runs out of course) but making it in a competitive world is a lot more difficult.
If you don't create it, you can't spend it. | |||
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"Countries are no different from wealthy families, where the first few generations work hard, make sacrifices ( or loot and plunder , before someone mentions it ) to create the wealth. Then the next few generations who become the beneficiaries become lazy, entitled and decadent. Then obviously the decline happens. The UK and Europe's social benefits have vastly outgrown what they were originally designed for and we are reaping the consequences. Exactly.
But it's not only the social benefits.
As you rightly say Europe has become lazy, entitled and decadent.
Only this week the UK Labour government is proposing a 4 day working week. All fine and dandy, up the workers and all that.
Meanwhile our competitors are working 60 (or more) hour weeks and producing the products we are buying.
It's easy to spend money (until it runs out of course) but making it in a competitive world is a lot more difficult.
If you don't create it, you can't spend it. "Exactly while in countries like the US and India, people don't bat an eyelid to working weekends. In fact in India children even go to School on Saturdays. Here, if you have to work a weekend it's the end of the world. | |||
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"It's looking pretty grim for our old continent (UK included). Poor growth, old industries in decline, miles behind in Tech, ageing population, over regulation, high illegal immigration and poor integration, weak governments. Even the EU's own Mario Draghi wrote a recent report full of doom and gloom for our future. It feels like younger and more dynamic countries are leaving us in the dust. "Some kind of unspecified collapse of the EU is the one great remaining hope for those still hanging on to the Brexit dream trying to justify their vote. | |||
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"It's looking pretty grim for our old continent (UK included). Poor growth, old industries in decline, miles behind in Tech, ageing population, over regulation, high illegal immigration and poor integration, weak governments. Even the EU's own Mario Draghi wrote a recent report full of doom and gloom for our future. It feels like younger and more dynamic countries are leaving us in the dust.
Some kind of unspecified collapse of the EU is the one great remaining hope for those still hanging on to the Brexit dream trying to justify their vote.
"- OP included UK also in the post - He mentioned the Mario Draghi report which was quite damning - Economic forecast from Germany and France aren't looking great It would help a lot if you read the posts and addressing the points made, instead of blindly copy pasting the same messages on all threads. | |||
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"It's looking pretty grim for our old continent (UK included). Poor growth, old industries in decline, miles behind in Tech, ageing population, over regulation, high illegal immigration and poor integration, weak governments. Even the EU's own Mario Draghi wrote a recent report full of doom and gloom for our future. It feels like younger and more dynamic countries are leaving us in the dust.
Some kind of unspecified collapse of the EU is the one great remaining hope for those still hanging on to the Brexit dream trying to justify their vote.
"Am not a Brexiteer but the signs are ominous. The world politically is in such a dangerous place. So similar to early 20th century. Then the European powers grip on their colonies was weakening, now those former colonies and developing countries are gaining ground on them. Add to that the Brics countries going to try and ditch the dollar. Don't think many people realise how much that would hit the US economy and domino effect onto other G7 nations. Trump has even said that countries ditching the dollar would be like losing a war and he would not let it happen. So what does that mean..? Military confrontation between Nato and Brics Nations..? | |||
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"It's looking pretty grim for our old continent (UK included). Poor growth, old industries in decline, miles behind in Tech, ageing population, over regulation, high illegal immigration and poor integration, weak governments. Even the EU's own Mario Draghi wrote a recent report full of doom and gloom for our future. It feels like younger and more dynamic countries are leaving us in the dust.
Some kind of unspecified collapse of the EU is the one great remaining hope for those still hanging on to the Brexit dream trying to justify their vote.
- OP included UK also in the post
- He mentioned the Mario Draghi report which was quite damning
- Economic forecast from Germany and France aren't looking great
It would help a lot if you read the posts and addressing the points made, instead of blindly copy pasting the same messages on all threads. "Thanks! I'm surprised it took so long for a Brexit post tbh  | |||
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"It's looking pretty grim for our old continent (UK included). Poor growth, old industries in decline, miles behind in Tech, ageing population, over regulation, high illegal immigration and poor integration, weak governments. Even the EU's own Mario Draghi wrote a recent report full of doom and gloom for our future. It feels like younger and more dynamic countries are leaving us in the dust.
Some kind of unspecified collapse of the EU is the one great remaining hope for those still hanging on to the Brexit dream trying to justify their vote.
- OP included UK also in the post
- He mentioned the Mario Draghi report which was quite damning
- Economic forecast from Germany and France aren't looking great
It would help a lot if you read the posts and addressing the points made, instead of blindly copy pasting the same messages on all threads.
Thanks! I'm surprised it took so long for a Brexit post tbh "Yeah I expected a Brexit post long back too. But it was refreshing to see an honest rational conversation about the situation for awhile | |||
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"It's looking pretty grim for our old continent (UK included). Poor growth, old industries in decline, miles behind in Tech, ageing population, over regulation, high illegal immigration and poor integration, weak governments. Even the EU's own Mario Draghi wrote a recent report full of doom and gloom for our future. It feels like younger and more dynamic countries are leaving us in the dust.
Some kind of unspecified collapse of the EU is the one great remaining hope for those still hanging on to the Brexit dream trying to justify their vote.
- OP included UK also in the post
- He mentioned the Mario Draghi report which was quite damning
- Economic forecast from Germany and France aren't looking great
It would help a lot if you read the posts and addressing the points made, instead of blindly copy pasting the same messages on all threads.
Thanks! I'm surprised it took so long for a Brexit post tbh
Yeah I expected a Brexit post long back too. But it was refreshing to see an honest rational conversation about the situation for awhile "Some excellent comments including your own. | |||
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"For sake of clarity, 'Europe' in the OP title refers to the continent of Europe and its peoples. This includes both EU and non EU members such as the UK, Switzerland, Norway and others. " Valid point to call out. I find it really difficult hear people say we left Europe because of Brexit, it is like nails on a chalkboard! I would love to see the % of people in the UK who know we are in Europe. | |||
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"For sake of clarity, 'Europe' in the OP title refers to the continent of Europe and its peoples. This includes both EU and non EU members such as the UK, Switzerland, Norway and others. Valid point to call out. I find it really difficult hear people say we left Europe because of Brexit, it is like nails on a chalkboard! I would love to see the % of people in the UK who know we are in Europe. " I guess there is no Asian country because there is no Asian union. | |||
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"For sake of clarity, 'Europe' in the OP title refers to the continent of Europe and its peoples. This includes both EU and non EU members such as the UK, Switzerland, Norway and others. Valid point to call out. I find it really difficult hear people say we left Europe because of Brexit, it is like nails on a chalkboard! I would love to see the % of people in the UK who know we are in Europe. I guess there is no Asian country because there is no Asian union." | |||
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"It's looking pretty grim for our old continent (UK included). Poor growth, old industries in decline, miles behind in Tech, ageing population, over regulation, high illegal immigration and poor integration, weak governments. Even the EU's own Mario Draghi wrote a recent report full of doom and gloom for our future. It feels like younger and more dynamic countries are leaving us in the dust. "“Europe” is a bit of a wide generalisation. Some countries are doing well, others aren’t. Ireland is flying, for example | |||
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"Reminds me of Europe pre WWII." Gosh, you’re older than I thought! | |||
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"It's looking pretty grim for our old continent (UK included). Poor growth, old industries in decline, miles behind in Tech, ageing population, over regulation, high illegal immigration and poor integration, weak governments. Even the EU's own Mario Draghi wrote a recent report full of doom and gloom for our future. It feels like younger and more dynamic countries are leaving us in the dust.
“Europe” is a bit of a wide generalisation. Some countries are doing well, others aren’t. Ireland is flying, for example "True, so is Poland | |||
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"It's looking pretty grim for our old continent (UK included). Poor growth, old industries in decline, miles behind in Tech, ageing population, over regulation, high illegal immigration and poor integration, weak governments. Even the EU's own Mario Draghi wrote a recent report full of doom and gloom for our future. It feels like younger and more dynamic countries are leaving us in the dust.
“Europe” is a bit of a wide generalisation. Some countries are doing well, others aren’t. Ireland is flying, for example "Countries which are doing well are the ones which are still developing, like Eastern European countries. Ireland's growth has been down to them providing a favourable tax environment for businesses which is commendable. But it won't last long as they are also being forced to increase their corporate tax rates. | |||
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"In 1980 Europe's share of global trade was 30%, now its 16% and falling. The decline is clear for those who want to look." conicides exactly with the rise of rightwing conservatism across europe | |||
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"In 1980 Europe's share of global trade was 30%, now its 16% and falling. The decline is clear for those who want to look. conicides exactly with the rise of rightwing conservatism across europe "And Brexit | |||
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"In 1980 Europe's share of global trade was 30%, now its 16% and falling. The decline is clear for those who want to look." That ignores the extent to which consumption has increased though Also, mature economies won’t expand as much as emerging ones Development on other regions is a positive | |||
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"In 1980 Europe's share of global trade was 30%, now its 16% and falling. The decline is clear for those who want to look. conicides exactly with the rise of rightwing conservatism across europe
And Brexit "Brexit was in 1980? | |||
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"It's looking pretty grim for our old continent (UK included). Poor growth, old industries in decline, miles behind in Tech, ageing population, over regulation, high illegal immigration and poor integration, weak governments. Even the EU's own Mario Draghi wrote a recent report full of doom and gloom for our future. It feels like younger and more dynamic countries are leaving us in the dust.
“Europe” is a bit of a wide generalisation. Some countries are doing well, others aren’t. Ireland is flying, for example
Countries which are doing well are the ones which are still developing, like Eastern European countries.
Ireland's growth has been down to them providing a favourable tax environment for businesses which is commendable. But it won't last long as they are also being forced to increase their corporate tax rates."There’s a little bit more to Ireland’s success than their tax rate. But the success of the lower tax rate shows how much the UK are missing a trick. If they slashed corporation tax rates, tax income would increase | |||
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"In 1980 Europe's share of global trade was 30%, now its 16% and falling. The decline is clear for those who want to look. conicides exactly with the rise of rightwing conservatism across europe
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"In 1980 Europe's share of global trade was 30%, now its 16% and falling. The decline is clear for those who want to look." "coincides exactly with the rise of rightwing conservatism across europe " "And Brexit " Are you saying that Europe's share of global trade has decreased because of Brexit? | |||
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"In 1980 Europe's share of global trade was 30%, now its 16% and falling. The decline is clear for those who want to look. coincides exactly with the rise of rightwing conservatism across europe And Brexit Are you saying that Europe's share of global trade has decreased because of Brexit?" Who knew ?  | |||
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"In 1980 Europe's share of global trade was 30%, now its 16% and falling. The decline is clear for those who want to look. coincides exactly with the rise of rightwing conservatism across europe And Brexit Are you saying that Europe's share of global trade has decreased because of Brexit?" Could it be because of woke ?  | |||
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"In 1980 Europe's share of global trade was 30%, now its 16% and falling. The decline is clear for those who want to look. coincides exactly with the rise of rightwing conservatism across europe And Brexit Are you saying that Europe's share of global trade has decreased because of Brexit?" Yes, that seems to be the claim. Strange idea! | |||
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"In 1980 Europe's share of global trade was 30%, now its 16% and falling. The decline is clear for those who want to look. conicides exactly with the rise of rightwing conservatism across europe "Europe has had conservative governments for 44 years ? 🤷 | |||
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"In 1980 Europe's share of global trade was 30%, now its 16% and falling. The decline is clear for those who want to look. coincides exactly with the rise of rightwing conservatism across europe And Brexit Are you saying that Europe's share of global trade has decreased because of Brexit?" Yep, it’s one of the reasons, | |||
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"It's looking pretty grim for our old continent (UK included). Poor growth, old industries in decline, miles behind in Tech, ageing population, over regulation, high illegal immigration and poor integration, weak governments. Even the EU's own Mario Draghi wrote a recent report full of doom and gloom for our future. It feels like younger and more dynamic countries are leaving us in the dust.
“Europe” is a bit of a wide generalisation. Some countries are doing well, others aren’t. Ireland is flying, for example "There will always be outliers in a continent of many individual economies, and at different times. This doesn't really alter the overall direction of travel for Europe as a whole, especially its largest economies. | |||
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"In 1980 Europe's share of global trade was 30%, now its 16% and falling. The decline is clear for those who want to look. coincides exactly with the rise of rightwing conservatism across europe And Brexit Are you saying that Europe's share of global trade has decreased because of Brexit? Yep, it’s one of the reasons, " How about the weather? That might have been a reason too. | |||
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"In 1980 Europe's share of global trade was 30%, now its 16% and falling. The decline is clear for those who want to look. coincides exactly with the rise of rightwing conservatism across europe And Brexit Are you saying that Europe's share of global trade has decreased because of Brexit? Could it be because of woke ? "Not sure, woke isn’t real, it might be due to confused people blaming evening they don’t like on the ‘woke’ though | |||
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"In 1980 Europe's share of global trade was 30%, now its 16% and falling. The decline is clear for those who want to look. coincides exactly with the rise of rightwing conservatism across europe And Brexit Are you saying that Europe's share of global trade has decreased because of Brexit? Yep, it’s one of the reasons, How about the weather? That might have been a reason too. " I heard it was quite overcast in Gdansk in 2006. | |||
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"In 1980 Europe's share of global trade was 30%, now its 16% and falling. The decline is clear for those who want to look. coincides exactly with the rise of rightwing conservatism across europe And Brexit Are you saying that Europe's share of global trade has decreased because of Brexit? Yep, it’s one of the reasons, How about the weather? That might have been a reason too. " Climate change won’t help anyone , correct | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.'" Huge increase, how did the US manage to that under 12 years of democrat governments | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.' Huge increase, how did the US manage to that under 12 years of democrat governments " Trump has won with a landslide and will be in power for four years. Stop with all the liberal tears and get over it. | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.'" The reasons are very clear: Energy independence. World leader in Tech. More investment in R & D. Low tax, low regulation economy. High quality immigration and good integration. Working longer hours. | |||
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"In 1980 Europe's share of global trade was 30%, now its 16% and falling. The decline is clear for those who want to look. coincides exactly with the rise of rightwing conservatism across europe And Brexit Are you saying that Europe's share of global trade has decreased because of Brexit? Yep, it’s one of the reasons, How about the weather? That might have been a reason too. I heard it was quite overcast in Gdansk in 2006." There was really bad snow one year as well | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.' Huge increase, how did the US manage to that under 12 years of democrat governments Trump has won with a landslide and will be in power for four years. Stop with all the liberal tears and get over it." Hi there, where did I say trump didn’t win and won’t be in power for 4 years? Just fu clarify, he deserved to win and will be in power for 4 years. Have you got TDS? | |||
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"In 1980 Europe's share of global trade was 30%, now its 16% and falling. The decline is clear for those who want to look. coincides exactly with the rise of rightwing conservatism across europe And Brexit Are you saying that Europe's share of global trade has decreased because of Brexit? Yep, it’s one of the reasons, How about the weather? That might have been a reason too. I heard it was quite overcast in Gdansk in 2006. There was really bad snow one year as well " Which year ? We don’t seen to get much snow in the UK anymore | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.' The reasons are very clear: Energy independence. World leader in Tech. More investment in R & D. Low tax, low regulation economy. High quality immigration and good integration. Working longer hours. " Amazing growth, especially as they had a democrat president for 12 of those 16 years | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.' The reasons are very clear: Energy independence. World leader in Tech. More investment in R & D. Low tax, low regulation economy. High quality immigration and good integration. Working longer hours. " With Starmer in control in the UK and yet more central planning on the agenda in the EU the gap can only continue to grow. | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.' The reasons are very clear: Energy independence. World leader in Tech. More investment in R & D. Low tax, low regulation economy. High quality immigration and good integration. Working longer hours. With Starmer in control in the UK and yet more central planning on the agenda in the EU the gap can only continue to grow." Pretty much everything Labour proposes is opposite of above. Very concerning for UK. | |||
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"In 1980 Europe's share of global trade was 30%, now its 16% and falling. The decline is clear for those who want to look. coincides exactly with the rise of rightwing conservatism across europe And Brexit Are you saying that Europe's share of global trade has decreased because of Brexit? Yep, it’s one of the reasons, How about the weather? That might have been a reason too. I heard it was quite overcast in Gdansk in 2006. There was really bad snow one year as well Which year ? We don’t seen to get much snow in the UK anymore " There are other countries in Europe. Dozens of them | |||
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"In 1980 Europe's share of global trade was 30%, now its 16% and falling. The decline is clear for those who want to look. coincides exactly with the rise of rightwing conservatism across europe And Brexit Are you saying that Europe's share of global trade has decreased because of Brexit? Yep, it’s one of the reasons, How about the weather? That might have been a reason too. I heard it was quite overcast in Gdansk in 2006. There was really bad snow one year as well Which year ? We don’t seen to get much snow in the UK anymore There are other countries in Europe. Dozens of them " Indeed, I don’t remember saying that the UK was the only county in Europe? | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.' " The biggest gap is tech. Europe lost out because of its regulatory framework. If someone wants to start a tech startup in Europe, they have to hire an army of lawyers and pay a lot of money to comply with the complex set of regulations. Whereas it's much easier and cheaper to do so in the US or some Asian countries. These US companies eventually make a lot of money outside of Europe and use that money to hire lawyers and expand within Europe. This is how Europe lost its competitiveness in tech. They have already lost the AI battle. AI is not even half way to maturity and already regulations have been passed to say what it must and must not do. Apple and other companies told they won't be releasing their AI tools in Europe because of the regulatory framework. Europe, suffering from an ageing population crisis could actually try to limit the damage caused by shrinking workforce by using AI to fill the need. But the politicians said they can't have any of those good things in Europe. | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.' The reasons are very clear: Energy independence. World leader in Tech. More investment in R & D. Low tax, low regulation economy. High quality immigration and good integration. Working longer hours. With Starmer in control in the UK and yet more central planning on the agenda in the EU the gap can only continue to grow. Pretty much everything Labour proposes is opposite of above. Very concerning for UK." Don’t worry, Trump will be good for the UK and farage will get us a great trade deal | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.' The reasons are very clear: Energy independence. World leader in Tech. More investment in R & D. Low tax, low regulation economy. High quality immigration and good integration. Working longer hours. With Starmer in control in the UK and yet more central planning on the agenda in the EU the gap can only continue to grow. Pretty much everything Labour proposes is opposite of above. Very concerning for UK. Don’t worry, Trump will be good for the UK and farage will get us a great trade deal " Labour don’t want a US trade deal, their only interest is in closer ties to their fellow losers in the EU. | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.' The reasons are very clear: Energy independence. World leader in Tech. More investment in R & D. Low tax, low regulation economy. High quality immigration and good integration. Working longer hours. With Starmer in control in the UK and yet more central planning on the agenda in the EU the gap can only continue to grow. Pretty much everything Labour proposes is opposite of above. Very concerning for UK. Don’t worry, Trump will be good for the UK and farage will get us a great trade deal Labour don’t want a US trade deal, their only interest is in closer ties to their fellow losers in the EU. " In your opinion , | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.' The reasons are very clear: Energy independence. World leader in Tech. More investment in R & D. Low tax, low regulation economy. High quality immigration and good integration. Working longer hours. With Starmer in control in the UK and yet more central planning on the agenda in the EU the gap can only continue to grow. Pretty much everything Labour proposes is opposite of above. Very concerning for UK. Don’t worry, Trump will be good for the UK and farage will get us a great trade deal Labour don’t want a US trade deal, their only interest is in closer ties to their fellow losers in the EU. In your opinion , " Indeed. What the view from Labour Head Office? | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.' The reasons are very clear: Energy independence. World leader in Tech. More investment in R & D. Low tax, low regulation economy. High quality immigration and good integration. Working longer hours. With Starmer in control in the UK and yet more central planning on the agenda in the EU the gap can only continue to grow. Pretty much everything Labour proposes is opposite of above. Very concerning for UK. Don’t worry, Trump will be good for the UK and farage will get us a great trade deal " Farage has no role in arranging trade deals. That is a fantasy that has been trotted out many times, but is baseless. If true, why didn’t it happen the previous time trump as on office? | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.' The reasons are very clear: Energy independence. World leader in Tech. More investment in R & D. Low tax, low regulation economy. High quality immigration and good integration. Working longer hours. With Starmer in control in the UK and yet more central planning on the agenda in the EU the gap can only continue to grow. Pretty much everything Labour proposes is opposite of above. Very concerning for UK. Don’t worry, Trump will be good for the UK and farage will get us a great trade deal Labour don’t want a US trade deal, their only interest is in closer ties to their fellow losers in the EU. In your opinion , Indeed. What the view from Labour Head Office?" I can’t see any information stating that they don’t want a trade deal with the US | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.' The reasons are very clear: Energy independence. World leader in Tech. More investment in R & D. Low tax, low regulation economy. High quality immigration and good integration. Working longer hours. With Starmer in control in the UK and yet more central planning on the agenda in the EU the gap can only continue to grow. Pretty much everything Labour proposes is opposite of above. Very concerning for UK. Don’t worry, Trump will be good for the UK and farage will get us a great trade deal Farage has no role in arranging trade deals. That is a fantasy that has been trotted out many times, but is baseless. If true, why didn’t it happen the previous time trump as on office? " Trump is his best mate, friends help each other out | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.' The reasons are very clear: Energy independence. World leader in Tech. More investment in R & D. Low tax, low regulation economy. High quality immigration and good integration. Working longer hours. With Starmer in control in the UK and yet more central planning on the agenda in the EU the gap can only continue to grow. Pretty much everything Labour proposes is opposite of above. Very concerning for UK. Don’t worry, Trump will be good for the UK and farage will get us a great trade deal Farage has no role in arranging trade deals. That is a fantasy that has been trotted out many times, but is baseless. If true, why didn’t it happen the previous time trump as on office? Trump is his best mate, friends help each other out " If so, why didn’t this happen in trump’s first term on office? Same reason as now, farage has no involvement whatsoever in trade deals. Are you going to duck the question again? | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.' The reasons are very clear: Energy independence. World leader in Tech. More investment in R & D. Low tax, low regulation economy. High quality immigration and good integration. Working longer hours. With Starmer in control in the UK and yet more central planning on the agenda in the EU the gap can only continue to grow. Pretty much everything Labour proposes is opposite of above. Very concerning for UK. Don’t worry, Trump will be good for the UK and farage will get us a great trade deal Farage has no role in arranging trade deals. That is a fantasy that has been trotted out many times, but is baseless. If true, why didn’t it happen the previous time trump as on office? Trump is his best mate, friends help each other out If so, why didn’t this happen in trump’s first term on office? Same reason as now, farage has no involvement whatsoever in trade deals. Are you going to duck the question again? " I don’t know, maybe we couldn’t do trade deals until we left the EU? | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.' The reasons are very clear: Energy independence. World leader in Tech. More investment in R & D. Low tax, low regulation economy. High quality immigration and good integration. Working longer hours. With Starmer in control in the UK and yet more central planning on the agenda in the EU the gap can only continue to grow. Pretty much everything Labour proposes is opposite of above. Very concerning for UK. Don’t worry, Trump will be good for the UK and farage will get us a great trade deal Farage has no role in arranging trade deals. That is a fantasy that has been trotted out many times, but is baseless. If true, why didn’t it happen the previous time trump as on office? Trump is his best mate, friends help each other out If so, why didn’t this happen in trump’s first term on office? Same reason as now, farage has no involvement whatsoever in trade deals. Are you going to duck the question again? I don’t know, maybe we couldn’t do trade deals until we left the EU? " Brexit was 2016. Trump was in office 2016-2020. So, why didn’t trump sort a trade deal with farage during those 4 years? | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.' The reasons are very clear: Energy independence. World leader in Tech. More investment in R & D. Low tax, low regulation economy. High quality immigration and good integration. Working longer hours. With Starmer in control in the UK and yet more central planning on the agenda in the EU the gap can only continue to grow. Pretty much everything Labour proposes is opposite of above. Very concerning for UK. Don’t worry, Trump will be good for the UK and farage will get us a great trade deal Farage has no role in arranging trade deals. That is a fantasy that has been trotted out many times, but is baseless. If true, why didn’t it happen the previous time trump as on office? Trump is his best mate, friends help each other out If so, why didn’t this happen in trump’s first term on office? Same reason as now, farage has no involvement whatsoever in trade deals. Are you going to duck the question again? I don’t know, maybe we couldn’t do trade deals until we left the EU? Brexit was 2016. Trump was in office 2016-2020. So, why didn’t trump sort a trade deal with farage during those 4 years?" I don’t know, maybe they are closer mates now, if farage can help swing this I can see him ditching reform | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.' The reasons are very clear: Energy independence. World leader in Tech. More investment in R & D. Low tax, low regulation economy. High quality immigration and good integration. Working longer hours. With Starmer in control in the UK and yet more central planning on the agenda in the EU the gap can only continue to grow. Pretty much everything Labour proposes is opposite of above. Very concerning for UK. Don’t worry, Trump will be good for the UK and farage will get us a great trade deal Farage has no role in arranging trade deals. That is a fantasy that has been trotted out many times, but is baseless. If true, why didn’t it happen the previous time trump as on office? Trump is his best mate, friends help each other out If so, why didn’t this happen in trump’s first term on office? Same reason as now, farage has no involvement whatsoever in trade deals. Are you going to duck the question again? I don’t know, maybe we couldn’t do trade deals until we left the EU? " I’ll help you out here. Trade deals are negotiated by government teams. Farage was not in government during trump’s first term in office so had zero involvement in negotiating any trade deals. Likewise, he is not in government now, so again will not have any involvement whatsoever in negotiations on trade deals. Not work the US, not with anyone. That’s someone else’s job. | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.' The reasons are very clear: Energy independence. World leader in Tech. More investment in R & D. Low tax, low regulation economy. High quality immigration and good integration. Working longer hours. With Starmer in control in the UK and yet more central planning on the agenda in the EU the gap can only continue to grow. Pretty much everything Labour proposes is opposite of above. Very concerning for UK. Don’t worry, Trump will be good for the UK and farage will get us a great trade deal Farage has no role in arranging trade deals. That is a fantasy that has been trotted out many times, but is baseless. If true, why didn’t it happen the previous time trump as on office? Trump is his best mate, friends help each other out If so, why didn’t this happen in trump’s first term on office? Same reason as now, farage has no involvement whatsoever in trade deals. Are you going to duck the question again? I don’t know, maybe we couldn’t do trade deals until we left the EU? Brexit was 2016. Trump was in office 2016-2020. So, why didn’t trump sort a trade deal with farage during those 4 years? I don’t know, maybe they are closer mates now, if farage can help swing this I can see him ditching reform" Alternatively, trump doesn’t need Nigel any more … | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.' The reasons are very clear: Energy independence. World leader in Tech. More investment in R & D. Low tax, low regulation economy. High quality immigration and good integration. Working longer hours. With Starmer in control in the UK and yet more central planning on the agenda in the EU the gap can only continue to grow. Pretty much everything Labour proposes is opposite of above. Very concerning for UK. Don’t worry, Trump will be good for the UK and farage will get us a great trade deal Farage has no role in arranging trade deals. That is a fantasy that has been trotted out many times, but is baseless. If true, why didn’t it happen the previous time trump as on office? Trump is his best mate, friends help each other out If so, why didn’t this happen in trump’s first term on office? Same reason as now, farage has no involvement whatsoever in trade deals. Are you going to duck the question again? I don’t know, maybe we couldn’t do trade deals until we left the EU? Brexit was 2016. Trump was in office 2016-2020. So, why didn’t trump sort a trade deal with farage during those 4 years? I don’t know, maybe they are closer mates now, if farage can help swing this I can see him ditching reform Alternatively, trump doesn’t need Nigel any more … " Possibly, we are both just speculating | |||
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"The US GDP has grown evenly under both Republican and Democratic Presidents in last 30 years, as I'm sure it will under Trump." aside from when the george W administration caused their GDP collapse (and that of the wider global economy) in 2007-2008 | |||
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"I cant make sense of this thread... The economic figures coming from EU members are going south. Germany has seen a huge swing in fortune recently with their second year of economic downturn, driven by poor EU policy and high energy prices. I'm really not sure what there is to argue about? " As you said earlier, we had (and still have) some insightful comments on the subject of the OP, but naturally a few bots derailed the thread with irrelevant babble about Brexit. | |||
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"I cant make sense of this thread... The economic figures coming from EU members are going south. Germany has seen a huge swing in fortune recently with their second year of economic downturn, driven by poor EU policy and high energy prices. I'm really not sure what there is to argue about? " The EUs gdp increased by 9.5 % in 2023 | |||
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"Figures from French newspaper Le Monde: 'In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.' The biggest gap is tech. Europe lost out because of its regulatory framework. If someone wants to start a tech startup in Europe, they have to hire an army of lawyers and pay a lot of money to comply with the complex set of regulations. Whereas it's much easier and cheaper to do so in the US or some Asian countries. These US companies eventually make a lot of money outside of Europe and use that money to hire lawyers and expand within Europe. This is how Europe lost its competitiveness in tech. They have already lost the AI battle. AI is not even half way to maturity and already regulations have been passed to say what it must and must not do. Apple and other companies told they won't be releasing their AI tools in Europe because of the regulatory framework. Europe, suffering from an ageing population crisis could actually try to limit the damage caused by shrinking workforce by using AI to fill the need. But the politicians said they can't have any of those good things in Europe." Really good point about AI. Potential to revolutionise the economy but Europe's miles behind. | |||
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" Really good point about AI. Potential to revolutionise the economy but Europe's miles behind." not sure AI causing thousands of redundant economists etc to be signing on down the dole will help things really. | |||
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"I cant make sense of this thread... The economic figures coming from EU members are going south. Germany has seen a huge swing in fortune recently with their second year of economic downturn, driven by poor EU policy and high energy prices. I'm really not sure what there is to argue about? The EUs gdp increased by 9.5 % in 2023" Oh my days, please close the thread, this can't be topped | |||
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"I cant make sense of this thread... The economic figures coming from EU members are going south. Germany has seen a huge swing in fortune recently with their second year of economic downturn, driven by poor EU policy and high energy prices. I'm really not sure what there is to argue about? The EUs gdp increased by 9.5 % in 2023 Oh my days, please close the thread, this can't be topped "Thanks, | |||
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" Really good point about AI. Potential to revolutionise the economy but Europe's miles behind. not sure AI causing thousands of redundant economists etc to be signing on down the dole will help things really." For a country that's suffering from shortage of workers, it will help things. Japan has already used robots to clean rail tracks and even to work in supermarkets. This is one way to reduce the negative impact of ageing population. | |||
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"'Full Year GDP Growth in European Union decreased to 0.40 percent in 2023 from 3.40 percent in 2022. Full Year GDP Growth in European Union averaged 1.64 percent from 1996 until 2023, reaching an all time high of 6.00 percent in 2021 and a record low of -5.60 percent in 2020.' The exceptional high and low figures were of course due to Covid." That’s overall growth, thanks for proving my point | |||
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" Really good point about AI. Potential to revolutionise the economy but Europe's miles behind. not sure AI causing thousands of redundant economists etc to be signing on down the dole will help things really. For a country that's suffering from shortage of workers, it will help things. Japan has already used robots to clean rail tracks and even to work in supermarkets. This is one way to reduce the negative impact of ageing population." Exactly, and without relying on low skill immigration that takes more out of the economy than it contributes. | |||
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"I cant make sense of this thread... The economic figures coming from EU members are going south. Germany has seen a huge swing in fortune recently with their second year of economic downturn, driven by poor EU policy and high energy prices. I'm really not sure what there is to argue about? The EUs gdp increased by 9.5 % in 2023" I think you have either mistyped or are looking at bad data. | |||
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"I cant make sense of this thread... The economic figures coming from EU members are going south. Germany has seen a huge swing in fortune recently with their second year of economic downturn, driven by poor EU policy and high energy prices. I'm really not sure what there is to argue about? The EUs gdp increased by 9.5 % in 2023 I think you have either mistyped or are looking at bad data." I got it from Google AI | |||
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"Aye, get them white collar types picking soft fruit in peterborough for ten quid extra on top of their dole the feckless c***s "It's not about white colour or blue colour. If it's hard to get workers for a particular job and it's possible to automate it, automate it. Doesn't matter what kind of job it is. | |||
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"Aye, get them white collar types picking soft fruit in peterborough for ten quid extra on top of their dole the feckless c***s "Getting people on benefits back to work is an excellent idea. | |||
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"I cant make sense of this thread... The economic figures coming from EU members are going south. Germany has seen a huge swing in fortune recently with their second year of economic downturn, driven by poor EU policy and high energy prices. I'm really not sure what there is to argue about? The EUs gdp increased by 9.5 % in 2023 I think you have either mistyped or are looking at bad data. I got it from Google AI " I have just checked your source and this is what came back: "In 2023, the EU's GDP grew by 0.4% compared to the previous quarter, and 0.9% compared to the same quarter of the previous year" | |||
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"I cant make sense of this thread... The economic figures coming from EU members are going south. Germany has seen a huge swing in fortune recently with their second year of economic downturn, driven by poor EU policy and high energy prices. I'm really not sure what there is to argue about? The EUs gdp increased by 9.5 % in 2023 I think you have either mistyped or are looking at bad data. I got it from Google AI I have just checked your source and this is what came back: "In 2023, the EU's GDP grew by 0.4% compared to the previous quarter, and 0.9% compared to the same quarter of the previous year" " That’s not what it says on Google AI | |||
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"It's not about white colour or blue colour. If it's hard to get workers for a particular job and it's possible to automate it, automate it. Doesn't matter what kind of job it is." and the thousands of middle managers made redundant all become plumbers lmao 🤣 | |||
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"It's not about white colour or blue colour. If it's hard to get workers for a particular job and it's possible to automate it, automate it. Doesn't matter what kind of job it is. and the thousands of middle managers made redundant all become plumbers lmao 🤣" We have a shortage of plumbers so again, an excellent idea. | |||
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"I cant make sense of this thread... The economic figures coming from EU members are going south. Germany has seen a huge swing in fortune recently with their second year of economic downturn, driven by poor EU policy and high energy prices. I'm really not sure what there is to argue about? The EUs gdp increased by 9.5 % in 2023 I think you have either mistyped or are looking at bad data. I got it from Google AI I have just checked your source and this is what came back: "In 2023, the EU's GDP grew by 0.4% compared to the previous quarter, and 0.9% compared to the same quarter of the previous year" That’s not what it says on Google AI " Not here to argue, as I mentioned in my original post, there is nothing to argue about, figures and fact show a slowdown in the EU, with Germany now becoming a contributor. | |||
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"I cant make sense of this thread... The economic figures coming from EU members are going south. Germany has seen a huge swing in fortune recently with their second year of economic downturn, driven by poor EU policy and high energy prices. I'm really not sure what there is to argue about? The EUs gdp increased by 9.5 % in 2023 I think you have either mistyped or are looking at bad data. I got it from Google AI I have just checked your source and this is what came back: "In 2023, the EU's GDP grew by 0.4% compared to the previous quarter, and 0.9% compared to the same quarter of the previous year" That’s not what it says on Google AI Not here to argue, as I mentioned in my original post, there is nothing to argue about, figures and fact show a slowdown in the EU, with Germany now becoming a contributor." Fair enough, maybe AI isn’t that good after all | |||
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"It's not about white colour or blue colour. If it's hard to get workers for a particular job and it's possible to automate it, automate it. Doesn't matter what kind of job it is. and the thousands of middle managers made redundant all become plumbers lmao 🤣 We have a shortage of plumbers so again, an excellent idea. "Yeah removing unnecessary middle managers is a good idea. It would be great to get them do some useful work. | |||
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"It's not about white colour or blue colour. If it's hard to get workers for a particular job and it's possible to automate it, automate it. Doesn't matter what kind of job it is. and the thousands of middle managers made redundant all become plumbers lmao 🤣 We have a shortage of plumbers so again, an excellent idea. "no we don't | |||
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"It's not about white colour or blue colour. If it's hard to get workers for a particular job and it's possible to automate it, automate it. Doesn't matter what kind of job it is. and the thousands of middle managers made redundant all become plumbers lmao 🤣 We have a shortage of plumbers so again, an excellent idea.
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"Countries are no different from wealthy families, where the first few generations work hard, make sacrifices ( or loot and plunder , before someone mentions it ) to create the wealth. Then the next few generations who become the beneficiaries become lazy, entitled and decadent. Then obviously the decline happens. The UK and Europe's social benefits have vastly outgrown what they were originally designed for and we are reaping the consequences. Exactly.
But it's not only the social benefits.
As you rightly say Europe has become lazy, entitled and decadent.
Only this week the UK Labour government is proposing a 4 day working week. All fine and dandy, up the workers and all that.
Meanwhile our competitors are working 60 (or more) hour weeks and producing the products we are buying.
It's easy to spend money (until it runs out of course) but making it in a competitive world is a lot more difficult.
If you don't create it, you can't spend it.
Exactly while in countries like the US and India, people don't bat an eyelid to working weekends. In fact in India children even go to School on Saturdays.
Here, if you have to work a weekend it's the end of the world. "Would not say its the end of the world. I quite often work a 60 hour week and lots of weekends.. | |||
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"I cant make sense of this thread... The economic figures coming from EU members are going south. Germany has seen a huge swing in fortune recently with their second year of economic downturn, driven by poor EU policy and high energy prices. I'm really not sure what there is to argue about? " It's hard to conpeat in manufacturing when other countries have cheaper energy. And lower wages. Putin is pushing up enagy cost, and minimum wage pushing up wages to a point you can't afford to pay more for hard work. | |||
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