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"Simple answer is No. strange how he is yet to be charged with anything yet though. If that was the other way round, you can guarantee that the other bloke would’ve been charged immediately. Another case of two tier policing." I’d rather that police take their time and get things right rather than rush things. There are procedures to be followed and things like this take time. | |||
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"Simple answer is No. strange how he is yet to be charged with anything yet though. If that was the other way round, you can guarantee that the other bloke would’ve been charged immediately. Another case of two tier policing. I’d rather that police take their time and get things right rather than rush things. There are procedures to be followed and things like this take time. " I agree with this. Seems we only have one side of the story. | |||
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"We still don't know what happened leading up to the assault so I'll hold my judgment on this until then. " We don’t know the entire story, but we have a very very clear idea. | |||
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"It matters not what the other side of the story is he punched a member of the public to the ground and then continued to punch him. The victim has reported it to the police before the M.P did. So he is being investigated and I expect an arrest very soon." I agree that there can be no justification for what we have seen him do. I completely agree with posters saying to allow the police time to look at the incident in its entirety, but don’t understand how anyone can think he was justified in behaving the way he did. | |||
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"We still don't know what happened leading up to the assault so I'll hold my judgment on this until then. " doesn’t matter what is said. Zero justification for what happened. He knocked him clean to the floor then continued to attack him. The bloke had his hands in his pockets and therefore defenceless. Clear case of at least ABH. | |||
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"It matters not what the other side of the story is he punched a member of the public to the ground and then continued to punch him. The victim has reported it to the police before the M.P did. So he is being investigated and I expect an arrest very soon. I agree that there can be no justification for what we have seen him do. I completely agree with posters saying to allow the police time to look at the incident in its entirety, but don’t understand how anyone can think he was justified in behaving the way he did. " Many people have been killed in such attacks, just by being punched in the head when they didn't see it coming. Punched only once, let alone the times he hit that guy whilst on the floor. No excuse none. | |||
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"It matters not what the other side of the story is he punched a member of the public to the ground and then continued to punch him. The victim has reported it to the police before the M.P did. So he is being investigated and I expect an arrest very soon. I agree that there can be no justification for what we have seen him do. I completely agree with posters saying to allow the police time to look at the incident in its entirety, but don’t understand how anyone can think he was justified in behaving the way he did. Many people have been killed in such attacks, just by being punched in the head when they didn't see it coming. Punched only once, let alone the times he hit that guy whilst on the floor. No excuse none." Completely agree. It’s a cowardly attack, and massively dangerous. | |||
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"Still want to know what he said that would cause him to be that violent, must of been bad. unless punchy Mike has a history of unhinged violence towards seemingly innocent bystanders " It doesn’t matter what was said. | |||
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"We don't know the full story of what led to the attack. Amesbury has publicly said that he "felt threatened". He could in theory claim Provocation, but Provocation is only a partial defence where the accused accepts that they committed the offence but that they did so only because the victim provoked it. It operates as mitigation that reduces the severity of the penalty. It's still an assault and should be charged accordingly. . I'm sure we have all been in situations where we have "felt threatened", but how we choose to respond to them is key, isn't it ? We can descalate and disengage, hold our ground but remain alert, or engage. I suspect a lot will hinge on who launched the first blow (and if there was any retaliation by the victim). . Personally, as an MP and in public office, I would have expected greater restraint and skills to deescalate a situation. I do not feel he held himself to the demands and ideals of his public office and acted in an uncontrolled fashion. A court case will examine the circumstances, and if he is charged with assault then the party will need to decide if he is "fit for office". " Who threw the first punch? My money is in the guy standing with his hands in his pockets. | |||
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"Simple answer is No. strange how he is yet to be charged with anything yet though. If that was the other way round, you can guarantee that the other bloke would’ve been charged immediately. Another case of two tier policing." 
Amazing.
A fictional scenario is now "another case of two tier policing".
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"Ah don't give it that bollocks. It matters quite alot what was said especially if it's about family " Was it about family? Or are you just trying to invent scenarios that justify a cowardly sucker-punch? All available information suggests that they were arguing about the closure of a local bridge. | |||
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"Ah don't give it that bollocks. It matters quite alot what was said especially if it's about family Was it about family? Or are you just trying to invent scenarios that justify a cowardly sucker-punch? All available information suggests that they were arguing about the closure of a local bridge. " How did that lead up to the threat that was apparently given to Mike? | |||
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"If someone said something disgusting, vile or threatening about my family to my face they'd probably receive a punchy Mike special. " Relevance? They were arguing about a bridge | |||
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"Ah don't give it that bollocks. It matters quite alot what was said especially if it's about family Was it about family? Or are you just trying to invent scenarios that justify a cowardly sucker-punch? All available information suggests that they were arguing about the closure of a local bridge. How did that lead up to the threat that was apparently given to Mike? " What threat was that, please? You have some info to share? Punchy Mike saying that he “felt threatened” doesn’t mean a unrest was made | |||
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"If someone said something disgusting, vile or threatening about my family to my face they'd probably receive a punchy Mike special. Relevance? They were arguing about a bridge " Obviously a threat was brought into the conversation. Any details on that or just this bridge? | |||
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"Ah don't give it that bollocks. It matters quite alot what was said especially if it's about family Was it about family? Or are you just trying to invent scenarios that justify a cowardly sucker-punch? All available information suggests that they were arguing about the closure of a local bridge. How did that lead up to the threat that was apparently given to Mike? What threat was that, please? You have some info to share? Punchy Mike saying that he “felt threatened” doesn’t mean a unrest was made " Dont know what the threat was do we. Hence why I wanted more context | |||
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"If someone said something disgusting, vile or threatening about my family to my face they'd probably receive a punchy Mike special. Relevance? They were arguing about a bridge Obviously a threat was brought into the conversation. Any details on that or just this bridge? " Bridge and WFA are all that has been mentioned by witnesses. So, what threat was made please? You know if a specific threat? Or are you making assumptions and guesses? | |||
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"I reckon he deserved that first whack Why? And did he “deserve” the subsequent whacks when he was lying in the ground? I didn't say that, james I know you didn’t. I’m asking a question. You said he deserved the first punch. Did he “deserve” the other ones? Depends what was said doesn't it. None of its deserved if its about a bridge But you just said the first punch was deserved? Now you’re saying it might not have been? " I never said that, why do you invent bollocks? I said I reckon. Check your facts | |||
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"If someone said something disgusting, vile or threatening about my family to my face they'd probably receive a punchy Mike special. Relevance? They were arguing about a bridge Obviously a threat was brought into the conversation. Any details on that or just this bridge? Bridge and WFA are all that has been mentioned by witnesses. So, what threat was made please? You know if a specific threat? Or are you making assumptions and guesses? " Dunno. You tell me. Invent one. You're good at that | |||
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"One things for sure it was a good right hook and that MP could have been looking at a one punch making someone un-alive charge. Blokes hands were in his pockets. He stood no chance. Crown court here we come. Let a Jury decide. Bi election on the way. " It was a left hook. Agree with the rest of your post though! | |||
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"If someone said something disgusting, vile or threatening about my family to my face they'd probably receive a punchy Mike special. Relevance? They were arguing about a bridge Obviously a threat was brought into the conversation. Any details on that or just this bridge? Bridge and WFA are all that has been mentioned by witnesses. So, what threat was made please? You know if a specific threat? Or are you making assumptions and guesses? Dunno. You tell me. Invent one. You're good at that" I haven’t invented anything. | |||
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"If someone said something disgusting, vile or threatening about my family to my face they'd probably receive a punchy Mike special. Relevance? They were arguing about a bridge Obviously a threat was brought into the conversation. Any details on that or just this bridge? Bridge and WFA are all that has been mentioned by witnesses. So, what threat was made please? You know if a specific threat? Or are you making assumptions and guesses? Dunno. You tell me. Invent one. You're good at that I haven’t invented anything. " Shh now I'm done talking with you | |||
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"I reckon he deserved that first whack Why? And did he “deserve” the subsequent whacks when he was lying in the ground? I didn't say that, james I know you didn’t. I’m asking a question. You said he deserved the first punch. Did he “deserve” the other ones? Depends what was said doesn't it. None of its deserved if its about a bridge But you just said the first punch was deserved? Now you’re saying it might not have been? I never said that, why do you invent bollocks? I said I reckon. Check your facts " Calm down. Drop the abuse. | |||
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"More made up nonsense. Abusive 😂" Mate, you can disagree with someone’s opinion without being so aggressive and repeatedly saying they are talking “bollocks”. | |||
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"More made up nonsense. Abusive 😂 Mate, you can disagree with someone’s opinion without being so aggressive and repeatedly saying they are talking “bollocks”. " And you can accept the word "bollocks" in someone else's reply without it being interpreted as "abusive" How sensitive has someone got to be to consider that abuse? | |||
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"“He’s gentle, he’s very kind, he’s very laid back. I spoke to him over the weekend. I won’t divulge private conversations. From what I can gather from other people, there was a sustained wind-up, a personal attack that evening by said individual in the videos I wonder what the trigger was?" INSULT INSULT INSULT INSULT… Water off a duck’s back OH YOU’RE A LABOUR MP! Thwack | |||
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"“He’s gentle, he’s very kind, he’s very laid back. I spoke to him over the weekend. I won’t divulge private conversations. From what I can gather from other people, there was a sustained wind-up, a personal attack that evening by said individual in the videos I wonder what the trigger was?" Yes he looked very gentle and laid back 
Either way, whatever the provocation, most people wouldn't use their fists to sort out a disagreement, unless they are a thug of course. | |||
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"The only reasonable explaination for this is... He must be far right " Why, was he participating is racist rioting? | |||
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"The only reasonable explaination for this is... He must be far right " No, the initial damage was done by his left wing | |||
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"I think he showed he's more like the working man than the fakes like Lee Anderson "… but of an insult to working men? | |||
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"I think he showed he's more like the working man than the fakes like Lee Anderson
… but of an insult to working men? "Tongue and cheek Jimmy, didn't mean to hurt any feelings | |||
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" It’s pretty staggering that a sitting MP would behave like this. I hope to gets resolved soon. Constituents can’t have a hot-head like that representing them. " Maybe bystanders will be able to shed light on the events, especially the lead up to the attack. If it was just a verbal wind up or even abuse it does not excuse physical violence. From the video, the MP did not look to be in any danger whatsoever which does not help his case. I understand some saying if certain things were said to them, then they would act the same as the MP but be aware you would be arrested, prosecuted and sentenced | |||
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" It’s pretty staggering that a sitting MP would behave like this. I hope to gets resolved soon. Constituents can’t have a hot-head like that representing them. Maybe bystanders will be able to shed light on the events, especially the lead up to the attack. If it was just a verbal wind up or even abuse it does not excuse physical violence. From the video, the MP did not look to be in any danger whatsoever which does not help his case. I understand some saying if certain things were said to them, then they would act the same as the MP but be aware you would be arrested, prosecuted and sentenced" Perhaps the guy said, "I have a suicide vest on and the trigger is on my shoe. I am going to pull my hands out of my pocket and detonate us both. Even if you fight me, I will do my utmost to detonate it...". | |||
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" It’s pretty staggering that a sitting MP would behave like this. I hope to gets resolved soon. Constituents can’t have a hot-head like that representing them. Maybe bystanders will be able to shed light on the events, especially the lead up to the attack. If it was just a verbal wind up or even abuse it does not excuse physical violence. From the video, the MP did not look to be in any danger whatsoever which does not help his case. I understand some saying if certain things were said to them, then they would act the same as the MP but be aware you would be arrested, prosecuted and sentenced Perhaps the guy said, "I have a suicide vest on and the trigger is on my shoe. I am going to pull my hands out of my pocket and detonate us both. Even if you fight me, I will do my utmost to detonate it..."." Yes that seems the most likely explanation | |||
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" It’s pretty staggering that a sitting MP would behave like this. I hope to gets resolved soon. Constituents can’t have a hot-head like that representing them. Maybe bystanders will be able to shed light on the events, especially the lead up to the attack. If it was just a verbal wind up or even abuse it does not excuse physical violence. From the video, the MP did not look to be in any danger whatsoever which does not help his case. I understand some saying if certain things were said to them, then they would act the same as the MP but be aware you would be arrested, prosecuted and sentenced Perhaps the guy said, "I have a suicide vest on and the trigger is on my shoe. I am going to pull my hands out of my pocket and detonate us both. Even if you fight me, I will do my utmost to detonate it..."." If that turns out to be the case for the defence then he is in big trouble | |||
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" I’d rather that police take their time and get things right rather than rush things. There are procedures to be followed and things like this take time. " This. They are making sure that there is no chance he will escape justice. | |||
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"Still not charged. "CPS will take their time. Legal systems move slowly. Took 18 months for a file to be sent to CPS on Russell brand | |||
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"Charged with assault. " Good | |||
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"Charged with assault. " The lesser charge, of course.  | |||
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"Charged with assault. The lesser charge, of course. "It pays to have a good lawyer | |||
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"Charged with assault. The lesser charge, of course.
It pays to have a good lawyer "You don’t need a good lawyer if the victim has no physical injury. | |||
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"The lightest of the three assault charges (ABH and GBH being the others). I'd have thought a sucker punch followed blows to the victim on the ground would have been a more onerous charge. CPS had a dilemma, he's an MP after all, so they went for a charge with a likely suspended sentence." Nice conspiracy  | |||
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"Charged with assault. The lesser charge, of course.
It pays to have a good lawyer
You don’t need a good lawyer if the victim has no physical injury."Not true. Assault charges are not just based on physical injury. Intent is also a consideration. | |||
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"The lightest of the three assault charges (ABH and GBH being the others). I'd have thought a sucker punch followed blows to the victim on the ground would have been a more onerous charge. CPS had a dilemma, he's an MP after all, so they went for a charge with a likely suspended sentence." The charge appears to be suspiciously lenient alright | |||
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"The lightest of the three assault charges (ABH and GBH being the others). I'd have thought a sucker punch followed blows to the victim on the ground would have been a more onerous charge. CPS had a dilemma, he's an MP after all, so they went for a charge with a likely suspended sentence." I know what you are saying, but a conviction for assault, even with a suspended sentence, doesn’t look good on your CV as a serving MP, could see him being given the heave ho by his constituency. | |||
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"Charged with assault. The lesser charge, of course.
It pays to have a good lawyer
You don’t need a good lawyer if the victim has no physical injury.
Not true.
Assault charges are not just based on physical injury. Intent is also a consideration. "There has to be a physical mark ( bruise , cuts etc) for section 47 assault. Intent only comes into if he intends to inflict those injuries. Now I’m surprised there aren’t injuries having seen the video but I’m not into conspiracy theories. | |||
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"Any normal member of the public would be receiving a jail sentance for the blows on the ground " Not unless they had previous convictions. | |||
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"The lightest of the three assault charges (ABH and GBH being the others). I'd have thought a sucker punch followed blows to the victim on the ground would have been a more onerous charge. CPS had a dilemma, he's an MP after all, so they went for a charge with a likely suspended sentence. Nice conspiracy "Just because you're a conspiracy theorist doesn't mean they're not out to get you  | |||
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"The lightest of the three assault charges (ABH and GBH being the others). I'd have thought a sucker punch followed blows to the victim on the ground would have been a more onerous charge. CPS had a dilemma, he's an MP after all, so they went for a charge with a likely suspended sentence. Nice conspiracy
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