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"Yeah, i disagree with the nanny state normally but fireworks should only be sold to people who have gained a licence for organised events. " Yes I agree simply due to the fact that most dogs suffer these nights Thankfully my dog has a guard dog attitude and runs round the garden looking to attack intruders when fireworks go off but not all dogs are like this and many get very scared | |||
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"As someone who has horses and dogs then this time of year is a nightmare with fireworks. If it was 1 night then we could deal with it but the fact that it goes on for 3 weeks + either side of the 5th then i would wholeheartedly vote to ban them." so you would ban them for yr selfish reasons excellent fuck the kids aslong as your ok then some ppl are born old and forget what it was like it’s always been like this weeks of fireworks but now you have horses and dogs it’s diffrent lol | |||
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"As someone who has horses and dogs then this time of year is a nightmare with fireworks. If it was 1 night then we could deal with it but the fact that it goes on for 3 weeks + either side of the 5th then i would wholeheartedly vote to ban them.so you would ban them for yr selfish reasons excellent fuck the kids aslong as your ok then some ppl are born old and forget what it was like it’s always been like this weeks of fireworks but now you have horses and dogs it’s diffrent lol" It’s got out of hand. Where I live barely a week goes by without fireworks. And one particular week there is a big display every single night. Also Halloween and 5th used to be 1-night events, now they go on for a month or more. | |||
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"As someone who has horses and dogs then this time of year is a nightmare with fireworks. If it was 1 night then we could deal with it but the fact that it goes on for 3 weeks + either side of the 5th then i would wholeheartedly vote to ban them.so you would ban them for yr selfish reasons excellent fuck the kids aslong as your ok then some ppl are born old and forget what it was like it’s always been like this weeks of fireworks but now you have horses and dogs it’s diffrent lol" It didn't last for weeks when I grew up. We had bonfires in our back streets and we would guard them to make sure other groups didn't set ours alight before the night. | |||
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"When I was a kid it was more about the bonfire then fireworks, penny for the guy, kids building the bonfire, adults getting together putting spuds/sausages in the fire Younger kids had sparklers etc That was it, everyone was happy." … and now, just copy what America does | |||
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"The Luton North MP pointed to the disruptive effect of fireworks on people trying to sleep, as well as the stress they cause for animals. She introduced proposed legislation to the House of Commons yesterday through a Private Members' Bill. Ms Owen's Bill aims to limit the noise level of all fireworks sold to the public to 90 decibels, judged by experts to be equivalent to the sound of a lawnmower, or less. She also wants to ban sales to the general public, online or in stores, of category F2 fireworks or above. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13971749/Labour-MP-pushes-ban-fireworks-louder-lawnmower-restrict-sales-specialist-shops-bid-ease-stress-cats-dogs.html I actually agree with this, especially living semi rural, most people don't think about the effect on the wildlife, especially with pregnant sheep etc Then there's old people, ex service people and shift workers. " The only thing that pisses me off is the setting off of bangers weeks ahead and weeks after Nov 5th. | |||
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"As someone who has horses and dogs then this time of year is a nightmare with fireworks. If it was 1 night then we could deal with it but the fact that it goes on for 3 weeks + either side of the 5th then i would wholeheartedly vote to ban them.so you would ban them for yr selfish reasons excellent fuck the kids aslong as your ok then some ppl are born old and forget what it was like it’s always been like this weeks of fireworks but now you have horses and dogs it’s diffrent lol It didn't last for weeks when I grew up. We had bonfires in our back streets and we would guard them to make sure other groups didn't set ours alight before the night." well up here it lasted for weeks and the bonfires went on to almost Xmas adults didn’t complain they came over for a warm on the way home from the pub but that’s when kids where allowed to be kids and when adults remembered being kids | |||
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"As someone who has horses and dogs then this time of year is a nightmare with fireworks. If it was 1 night then we could deal with it but the fact that it goes on for 3 weeks + either side of the 5th then i would wholeheartedly vote to ban them.so you would ban them for yr selfish reasons excellent fuck the kids aslong as your ok then some ppl are born old and forget what it was like it’s always been like this weeks of fireworks but now you have horses and dogs it’s diffrent lol It didn't last for weeks when I grew up. We had bonfires in our back streets and we would guard them to make sure other groups didn't set ours alight before the night.well up here it lasted for weeks and the bonfires went on to almost Xmas adults didn’t complain they came over for a warm on the way home from the pub but that’s when kids where allowed to be kids and when adults remembered being kids " lol I’m 67 years old I think kids were kids when I was one. | |||
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"As someone who has horses and dogs then this time of year is a nightmare with fireworks. If it was 1 night then we could deal with it but the fact that it goes on for 3 weeks + either side of the 5th then i would wholeheartedly vote to ban them.so you would ban them for yr selfish reasons excellent fuck the kids aslong as your ok then some ppl are born old and forget what it was like it’s always been like this weeks of fireworks but now you have horses and dogs it’s diffrent lol It didn't last for weeks when I grew up. We had bonfires in our back streets and we would guard them to make sure other groups didn't set ours alight before the night.well up here it lasted for weeks and the bonfires went on to almost Xmas adults didn’t complain they came over for a warm on the way home from the pub but that’s when kids where allowed to be kids and when adults remembered being kids lol I’m 67 years old I think kids were kids when I was one." but did adults moan like this if your answer is yes your telling fibs lol | |||
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"As someone who has horses and dogs then this time of year is a nightmare with fireworks. If it was 1 night then we could deal with it but the fact that it goes on for 3 weeks + either side of the 5th then i would wholeheartedly vote to ban them.so you would ban them for yr selfish reasons excellent fuck the kids aslong as your ok then some ppl are born old and forget what it was like it’s always been like this weeks of fireworks but now you have horses and dogs it’s diffrent lol It didn't last for weeks when I grew up. We had bonfires in our back streets and we would guard them to make sure other groups didn't set ours alight before the night.well up here it lasted for weeks and the bonfires went on to almost Xmas adults didn’t complain they came over for a warm on the way home from the pub but that’s when kids where allowed to be kids and when adults remembered being kids lol I’m 67 years old I think kids were kids when I was one.but did adults moan like this if your answer is yes your telling fibs lol" They didn’t have the moan boxes back then. | |||
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"As someone who has horses and dogs then this time of year is a nightmare with fireworks. If it was 1 night then we could deal with it but the fact that it goes on for 3 weeks + either side of the 5th then i would wholeheartedly vote to ban them.so you would ban them for yr selfish reasons excellent fuck the kids aslong as your ok then some ppl are born old and forget what it was like it’s always been like this weeks of fireworks but now you have horses and dogs it’s diffrent lol It didn't last for weeks when I grew up. We had bonfires in our back streets and we would guard them to make sure other groups didn't set ours alight before the night.well up here it lasted for weeks and the bonfires went on to almost Xmas adults didn’t complain they came over for a warm on the way home from the pub but that’s when kids where allowed to be kids and when adults remembered being kids lol I’m 67 years old I think kids were kids when I was one.but did adults moan like this if your answer is yes your telling fibs lol" No. They didn’t moan like this. Probably because Halloween was one night instead of a month. | |||
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"Agree ban them. Dangerous! And thick twats shouldn’t be let near explosives." so is riding a bike should we ban them aswell lol | |||
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"Agree ban them. Dangerous! And thick twats shouldn’t be let near explosives.so is riding a bike should we ban them aswell lol" Bikes aren’t as loud and don’t scare the cats. But cyclists really should be insured. | |||
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"Agree ban them. Dangerous! And thick twats shouldn’t be let near explosives.so is riding a bike should we ban them aswell lol" A bike serves a useful purpose for transportation. If it has an engine then it is insured (as should bicycles). Fireworks serve no purpose that cannot be delivered via licensed organised displays. Ban them from public sale. | |||
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"There's that word again, Ban. How they love banning things. Fireworks last a few minutes, Guy Fawkes night is once a year. As per, this is more about state overreach than protecting folks ears. Ffs. What a joyless little shithole our country is becoming. " Hey Buck. What have "they" banned so far? Or maybe just a top five things for brevity. | |||
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"There's that word again, Ban. How they love banning things. Fireworks last a few minutes, Guy Fawkes night is once a year. As per, this is more about state overreach than protecting folks ears. Ffs. What a joyless little shithole our country is becoming. Hey Buck. What have "they" banned so far? Or maybe just a top five things for brevity." Look at the title, Karen. | |||
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"There's that word again, Ban. How they love banning things. Fireworks last a few minutes, Guy Fawkes night is once a year. As per, this is more about state overreach than protecting folks ears. Ffs. What a joyless little shithole our country is becoming. Hey Buck. What have "they" banned so far? Or maybe just a top five things for brevity. Look at the title, Karen." So nothing has been banned? Excellent work. | |||
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"There's that word again, Ban. How they love banning things. Fireworks last a few minutes, Guy Fawkes night is once a year. As per, this is more about state overreach than protecting folks ears. Ffs. What a joyless little shithole our country is becoming. Hey Buck. What have "they" banned so far? Or maybe just a top five things for brevity. Look at the title, Karen. So nothing has been banned? Excellent work. " I didn't say anything had been banned, I was referencing the title, Karen. | |||
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"There's that word again, Ban. How they love banning things. Fireworks last a few minutes, Guy Fawkes night is once a year. As per, this is more about state overreach than protecting folks ears. Ffs. What a joyless little shithole our country is becoming. Hey Buck. What have "they" banned so far? Or maybe just a top five things for brevity. Look at the title, Karen. So nothing has been banned? Excellent work. I didn't say anything had been banned, I was referencing the title, Karen. " You said "How they love banning things". So just wondering if you could give an example. It's okay if you can't. Why do you keep calling me "Karen"? That's not my name. | |||
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"There's that word again, Ban. How they love banning things. Fireworks last a few minutes, Guy Fawkes night is once a year. As per, this is more about state overreach than protecting folks ears. Ffs. What a joyless little shithole our country is becoming. Hey Buck. What have "they" banned so far? Or maybe just a top five things for brevity. Look at the title, Karen. So nothing has been banned? Excellent work. I didn't say anything had been banned, I was referencing the title, Karen. You said "How they love banning things". So just wondering if you could give an example. It's okay if you can't. Why do you keep calling me "Karen"? That's not my name." I was referencing people who like banning things, karen. Our lovely politicos have banned quite a few things. Can you think of any? Go on. Give it a try, karen. | |||
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"There's that word again, Ban. How they love banning things. Fireworks last a few minutes, Guy Fawkes night is once a year. As per, this is more about state overreach than protecting folks ears. Ffs. What a joyless little shithole our country is becoming. Hey Buck. What have "they" banned so far? Or maybe just a top five things for brevity. Look at the title, Karen. So nothing has been banned? Excellent work. I didn't say anything had been banned, I was referencing the title, Karen. You said "How they love banning things". So just wondering if you could give an example. It's okay if you can't. Why do you keep calling me "Karen"? That's not my name. I was referencing people who like banning things, karen." I see. You have me mixed up with someone else then. I haven't expressed an opinion about banning things. Glad to have cleared that up. " Our lovely politicos have banned quite a few things. Can you think of any? Go on. Give it a try, karen." I asked you to give an example, you're the one suggesting "they love banning things". It's not my premise. Surely this should be very easy after all "they" seem to "love banning things". | |||
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"There's that word again, Ban. How they love banning things. Fireworks last a few minutes, Guy Fawkes night is once a year. As per, this is more about state overreach than protecting folks ears. Ffs. What a joyless little shithole our country is becoming. Hey Buck. What have "they" banned so far? Or maybe just a top five things for brevity. Look at the title, Karen. So nothing has been banned? Excellent work. I didn't say anything had been banned, I was referencing the title, Karen. You said "How they love banning things". So just wondering if you could give an example. It's okay if you can't. Why do you keep calling me "Karen"? That's not my name. I was referencing people who like banning things, karen. I see. You have me mixed up with someone else then. I haven't expressed an opinion about banning things. Glad to have cleared that up. Our lovely politicos have banned quite a few things. Can you think of any? Go on. Give it a try, karen. I asked you to give an example, you're the one suggesting "they love banning things". It's not my premise. Surely this should be very easy after all "they" seem to "love banning things"." Once again, look. It is easy, so go and look. Or do you need to be spoon feed? | |||
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"There's that word again, Ban. How they love banning things. Fireworks last a few minutes, Guy Fawkes night is once a year. As per, this is more about state overreach than protecting folks ears. Ffs. What a joyless little shithole our country is becoming. Hey Buck. What have "they" banned so far? Or maybe just a top five things for brevity. Look at the title, Karen. So nothing has been banned? Excellent work. I didn't say anything had been banned, I was referencing the title, Karen. You said "How they love banning things". So just wondering if you could give an example. It's okay if you can't. Why do you keep calling me "Karen"? That's not my name. I was referencing people who like banning things, karen. I see. You have me mixed up with someone else then. I haven't expressed an opinion about banning things. Glad to have cleared that up. Our lovely politicos have banned quite a few things. Can you think of any? Go on. Give it a try, karen. I asked you to give an example, you're the one suggesting "they love banning things". It's not my premise. Surely this should be very easy after all "they" seem to "love banning things". Once again, look. It is easy, so go and look. Or do you need to be spoon feed?" Okay you can't think of anything. Fair enough. | |||
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"The Luton North MP pointed to the disruptive effect of fireworks on people trying to sleep, as well as the stress they cause for animals. She introduced proposed legislation to the House of Commons yesterday through a Private Members' Bill. Ms Owen's Bill aims to limit the noise level of all fireworks sold to the public to 90 decibels, judged by experts to be equivalent to the sound of a lawnmower, or less. She also wants to ban sales to the general public, online or in stores, of category F2 fireworks or above. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13971749/Labour-MP-pushes-ban-fireworks-louder-lawnmower-restrict-sales-specialist-shops-bid-ease-stress-cats-dogs.html I actually agree with this, especially living semi rural, most people don't think about the effect on the wildlife, especially with pregnant sheep etc Then there's old people, ex service people and shift workers. The only thing that pisses me off is the setting off of bangers weeks ahead and weeks after Nov 5th." Diwali?? | |||
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"Just fucking ban them. Little while back some little scum bastards round here tied a firework to the tail of a cat and set it off, killing it. Another bunch of stupid fuckwits shot a rocket through someone’s letterbox as a trick or treat. You want to see fireworks and go “ooh ahhh” go to a proper organised display. They’re fat better anyway. We don’t need morons playing with explosives. Ban them." By that sentiment, should we ban everything that could be used to hurt? | |||
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"Just fucking ban them. Little while back some little scum bastards round here tied a firework to the tail of a cat and set it off, killing it. Another bunch of stupid fuckwits shot a rocket through someone’s letterbox as a trick or treat. You want to see fireworks and go “ooh ahhh” go to a proper organised display. They’re fat better anyway. We don’t need morons playing with explosives. Ban them. By that sentiment, should we ban everything that could be used to hurt? " That’s plain silly though isn’t it! Anything ANYTHING could potentially be used to cause harm and hurt. Fireworks are explosives and their only purpose is to explode. They are clearly dangerous and serve no other primary purpose. | |||
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"Should ban Halloween too in case some old dear gets a little bit scared at the 3ft child in an art the clown costume or go one step further and get rid of Christmas because it will offend other religions..... Oh wait, that one is probably coming " Really really getting silly now  | |||
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"There's that word again, Ban. How they love banning things. Fireworks last a few minutes, Guy Fawkes night is once a year. As per, this is more about state overreach than protecting folks ears. Ffs. What a joyless little shithole our country is becoming. " When you say “they”, who do you mean? Yes, guy Fawkes night is once a year; but that does not mean that fireworks are confined to one night per head. As many posters have indicated, firework season lasts about a month. And as I posted earlier, firework usage extends a long way beyond guy Fawkes night … weddings, parties, events, concerts, you name it … | |||
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"There's that word again, Ban. How they love banning things. Fireworks last a few minutes, Guy Fawkes night is once a year. As per, this is more about state overreach than protecting folks ears. Ffs. What a joyless little shithole our country is becoming. " Sorry to hear you consider Scotland to be a joyless little shithole, I quite like it myself, and visit often, but it is a bit grim in the winter, between October and May. Maybe move to England? | |||
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"Should ban Halloween too in case some old dear gets a little bit scared at the 3ft child in an art the clown costume or go one step further and get rid of Christmas because it will offend other religions..... Oh wait, that one is probably coming Really really getting silly now "True tho. Where does it end? | |||
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"Should ban Halloween too in case some old dear gets a little bit scared at the 3ft child in an art the clown costume or go one step further and get rid of Christmas because it will offend other religions..... Oh wait, that one is probably coming Really really getting silly now
True tho. Where does it end? "Common sense? That argument is nonsensical as we would otherwise never ban anything at all ever. If something’s primary purpose is completely inane and domestic, such as kitchen knives, then you wouldn’t ban it. Full on Rambo style hunting knives serve no necessary requirement in the UK do ban them. Similarly fireworks. They serve no necessary purpose that cannot be fulfilled (to a far more spectacular but safer effect) by organised events. Quite simple really. | |||
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"I'm not against all fireworks, if there's an organised event, with notice given that's fine as people can make plans and look after the animals. Maybe all permits and fireworks go through the fire brigade?, all profits go to support the service " Love that idea! | |||
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"We’ve become a nation of whining curtain twitchers, more interested in taking things away from everyone rather than dealing with the problem makers. Do you think that banning fireworks will stop the anti-social hooligans from getting their hands on them? they’ll find a way to get them. The issue isn’t the fireworks it’s the people using them irresponsibly, and we’re too quick to target the easy fix instead of addressing the actual problem. " Ah the old “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument. The NRA are keen to sign you up. How do you catch the hooligans? How does catching them save the life of the cat (see my example above)? What about the house that caught fire after a rocket launched through letterbox? If only licensed operators could purchase and use fireworks, it would actually be easier to control and track origins if some fell into the wrong hands (yes often little is left but not always). | |||
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"We’ve become a nation of whining curtain twitchers, more interested in taking things away from everyone rather than dealing with the problem makers. Do you think that banning fireworks will stop the anti-social hooligans from getting their hands on them? they’ll find a way to get them. The issue isn’t the fireworks it’s the people using them irresponsibly, and we’re too quick to target the easy fix instead of addressing the actual problem. Ah the old “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument. The NRA are keen to sign you up. How do you catch the hooligans? How does catching them save the life of the cat (see my example above)? What about the house that caught fire after a rocket launched through letterbox? If only licensed operators could purchase and use fireworks, it would actually be easier to control and track origins if some fell into the wrong hands (yes often little is left but not always)." This is about the noise and antisocial behaviour linked to fireworks, conflation with firearms in the US, really? Your example of the cat and house fire are criminal acts and should be dealt with accordingly. | |||
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"We’ve become a nation of whining curtain twitchers, more interested in taking things away from everyone rather than dealing with the problem makers. Do you think that banning fireworks will stop the anti-social hooligans from getting their hands on them? they’ll find a way to get them. The issue isn’t the fireworks it’s the people using them irresponsibly, and we’re too quick to target the easy fix instead of addressing the actual problem. Ah the old “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument. The NRA are keen to sign you up. How do you catch the hooligans? How does catching them save the life of the cat (see my example above)? What about the house that caught fire after a rocket launched through letterbox? If only licensed operators could purchase and use fireworks, it would actually be easier to control and track origins if some fell into the wrong hands (yes often little is left but not always). This is about the noise and antisocial behaviour linked to fireworks, conflation with firearms in the US, really? Your example of the cat and house fire are criminal acts and should be dealt with accordingly. " Criminal acts that would not be possible if fireworks were not available to the public. The key component of a firework and a bullet is the same BTW so not really a stretch. And it was you saying it is about people not product so the parallels are appropriate | |||
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"We’ve become a nation of whining curtain twitchers, more interested in taking things away from everyone rather than dealing with the problem makers. Do you think that banning fireworks will stop the anti-social hooligans from getting their hands on them? they’ll find a way to get them. The issue isn’t the fireworks it’s the people using them irresponsibly, and we’re too quick to target the easy fix instead of addressing the actual problem. Ah the old “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument. The NRA are keen to sign you up. How do you catch the hooligans? How does catching them save the life of the cat (see my example above)? What about the house that caught fire after a rocket launched through letterbox? If only licensed operators could purchase and use fireworks, it would actually be easier to control and track origins if some fell into the wrong hands (yes often little is left but not always). This is about the noise and antisocial behaviour linked to fireworks, conflation with firearms in the US, really? Your example of the cat and house fire are criminal acts and should be dealt with accordingly. Criminal acts that would not be possible if fireworks were not available to the public. The key component of a firework and a bullet is the same BTW so not really a stretch. And it was you saying it is about people not product so the parallels are appropriate "Making something harder to access doesn’t magically fix behaviour issues, it just drives them underground to get hold of the things that are banned. You say yourself how do you catch them, if you think they can't be caught you are basically taking choice away from those wo would use them with consideration and allowing those that don't to carry on. It also shows that you have subconsciously accepted that law & order and the social fabric are broken to the point that you can't see how a person is punished for their crimes, and why you are advocating the removal of the item rather than tackling the individuals. | |||
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"Should ban Halloween too in case some old dear gets a little bit scared at the 3ft child in an art the clown costume or go one step further and get rid of Christmas because it will offend other religions..... Oh wait, that one is probably coming Really really getting silly now
True tho. Where does it end? "When will it end? Never. Restrictions are always being reviewed. Some are tightened, some are relaxed. Remember when we couldn’t drink on Sundays, shops were closed on Sundays and it was illegal to be gay? Things change. | |||
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"I'm not against all fireworks, if there's an organised event, with notice given that's fine as people can make plans and look after the animals. Maybe all permits and fireworks go through the fire brigade?, all profits go to support the service " Sensible ideas. Let the professionals do it … safely, well and occasionally | |||
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"We’ve become a nation of whining curtain twitchers, more interested in taking things away from everyone rather than dealing with the problem makers. Do you think that banning fireworks will stop the anti-social hooligans from getting their hands on them? they’ll find a way to get them. The issue isn’t the fireworks it’s the people using them irresponsibly, and we’re too quick to target the easy fix instead of addressing the actual problem. " Not sure I follow the logic. It’s not just “hooligans” that deploy fireworks, or use them irresponsibly or excessively. And by your logic there should be no restrictions on carrying knives, as it’s not the knives that are the problem | |||
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"We’ve become a nation of whining curtain twitchers, more interested in taking things away from everyone rather than dealing with the problem makers. Do you think that banning fireworks will stop the anti-social hooligans from getting their hands on them? they’ll find a way to get them. The issue isn’t the fireworks it’s the people using them irresponsibly, and we’re too quick to target the easy fix instead of addressing the actual problem. Ah the old “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument. The NRA are keen to sign you up. How do you catch the hooligans? How does catching them save the life of the cat (see my example above)? What about the house that caught fire after a rocket launched through letterbox? If only licensed operators could purchase and use fireworks, it would actually be easier to control and track origins if some fell into the wrong hands (yes often little is left but not always). This is about the noise and antisocial behaviour linked to fireworks, conflation with firearms in the US, really? Your example of the cat and house fire are criminal acts and should be dealt with accordingly. Criminal acts that would not be possible if fireworks were not available to the public. The key component of a firework and a bullet is the same BTW so not really a stretch. And it was you saying it is about people not product so the parallels are appropriate "Agreed. I thought it was a fair comparison that you made. I’ve posted something similar, regarding knives. | |||
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"We’ve become a nation of whining curtain twitchers, more interested in taking things away from everyone rather than dealing with the problem makers. Do you think that banning fireworks will stop the anti-social hooligans from getting their hands on them? they’ll find a way to get them. The issue isn’t the fireworks it’s the people using them irresponsibly, and we’re too quick to target the easy fix instead of addressing the actual problem. Ah the old “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument. The NRA are keen to sign you up. How do you catch the hooligans? How does catching them save the life of the cat (see my example above)? What about the house that caught fire after a rocket launched through letterbox? If only licensed operators could purchase and use fireworks, it would actually be easier to control and track origins if some fell into the wrong hands (yes often little is left but not always). This is about the noise and antisocial behaviour linked to fireworks, conflation with firearms in the US, really? Your example of the cat and house fire are criminal acts and should be dealt with accordingly. Criminal acts that would not be possible if fireworks were not available to the public. The key component of a firework and a bullet is the same BTW so not really a stretch. And it was you saying it is about people not product so the parallels are appropriate
Making something harder to access doesn’t magically fix behaviour issues, it just drives them underground to get hold of the things that are banned.
You say yourself how do you catch them, if you think they can't be caught you are basically taking choice away from those wo would use them with consideration and allowing those that don't to carry on. It also shows that you have subconsciously accepted that law & order and the social fabric are broken to the point that you can't see how a person is punished for their crimes, and why you are advocating the removal of the item rather than tackling the individuals.
"We’re talking about scallies. Dodgy little teenage gits. Ruffians. Hoodie wearing no marks. Not master criminals
Just make it harder for these thick twats to get hold of explosives.
You do like to trot out the hyperbole!
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"We’ve become a nation of whining curtain twitchers, more interested in taking things away from everyone rather than dealing with the problem makers. Do you think that banning fireworks will stop the anti-social hooligans from getting their hands on them? they’ll find a way to get them. The issue isn’t the fireworks it’s the people using them irresponsibly, and we’re too quick to target the easy fix instead of addressing the actual problem. Ah the old “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument. The NRA are keen to sign you up. How do you catch the hooligans? How does catching them save the life of the cat (see my example above)? What about the house that caught fire after a rocket launched through letterbox? If only licensed operators could purchase and use fireworks, it would actually be easier to control and track origins if some fell into the wrong hands (yes often little is left but not always). This is about the noise and antisocial behaviour linked to fireworks, conflation with firearms in the US, really? Your example of the cat and house fire are criminal acts and should be dealt with accordingly. Criminal acts that would not be possible if fireworks were not available to the public. The key component of a firework and a bullet is the same BTW so not really a stretch. And it was you saying it is about people not product so the parallels are appropriate
Making something harder to access doesn’t magically fix behaviour issues, it just drives them underground to get hold of the things that are banned.
You say yourself how do you catch them, if you think they can't be caught you are basically taking choice away from those wo would use them with consideration and allowing those that don't to carry on. It also shows that you have subconsciously accepted that law & order and the social fabric are broken to the point that you can't see how a person is punished for their crimes, and why you are advocating the removal of the item rather than tackling the individuals.
"I don’t see where the poster suggested not tackling law-breakers. And it’s not an either / or scenario. The poster is suggesting controlling access. I see no suggestion of not chasing law-breakers. Also, I don’t agree with any suggestion that the only problem is hooligans misusing them. That’s an extreme. Excessive, inconsiderate and dangerous use of fireworks is also a problem. Every year, people injure themselves with fireworks. | |||
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"We’ve become a nation of whining curtain twitchers, more interested in taking things away from everyone rather than dealing with the problem makers. Do you think that banning fireworks will stop the anti-social hooligans from getting their hands on them? they’ll find a way to get them. The issue isn’t the fireworks it’s the people using them irresponsibly, and we’re too quick to target the easy fix instead of addressing the actual problem. Ah the old “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument. The NRA are keen to sign you up. How do you catch the hooligans? How does catching them save the life of the cat (see my example above)? What about the house that caught fire after a rocket launched through letterbox? If only licensed operators could purchase and use fireworks, it would actually be easier to control and track origins if some fell into the wrong hands (yes often little is left but not always). This is about the noise and antisocial behaviour linked to fireworks, conflation with firearms in the US, really? Your example of the cat and house fire are criminal acts and should be dealt with accordingly. Criminal acts that would not be possible if fireworks were not available to the public. The key component of a firework and a bullet is the same BTW so not really a stretch. And it was you saying it is about people not product so the parallels are appropriate
Making something harder to access doesn’t magically fix behaviour issues, it just drives them underground to get hold of the things that are banned.
You say yourself how do you catch them, if you think they can't be caught you are basically taking choice away from those wo would use them with consideration and allowing those that don't to carry on. It also shows that you have subconsciously accepted that law & order and the social fabric are broken to the point that you can't see how a person is punished for their crimes, and why you are advocating the removal of the item rather than tackling the individuals.
I don’t see where the poster suggested not tackling law-breakers. And it’s not an either / or scenario.
The poster is suggesting controlling access. I see no suggestion of not chasing law-breakers.
Also, I don’t agree with any suggestion that the only problem is hooligans misusing them. That’s an extreme. Excessive, inconsiderate and dangerous use of fireworks is also a problem. Every year, people injure themselves with fireworks. "Fair point. My examples were hooligans but the issue is broader. Just ask the fire brigade and ambulance service, they’re very much in favour of banning sales of fireworks (explosives) to the public. There are amazing organised displays in most towns. Nobody needs to have a box at home. | |||
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"We’ve become a nation of whining curtain twitchers, more interested in taking things away from everyone rather than dealing with the problem makers. Do you think that banning fireworks will stop the anti-social hooligans from getting their hands on them? they’ll find a way to get them. The issue isn’t the fireworks it’s the people using them irresponsibly, and we’re too quick to target the easy fix instead of addressing the actual problem. Ah the old “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument. The NRA are keen to sign you up. How do you catch the hooligans? How does catching them save the life of the cat (see my example above)? What about the house that caught fire after a rocket launched through letterbox? If only licensed operators could purchase and use fireworks, it would actually be easier to control and track origins if some fell into the wrong hands (yes often little is left but not always). This is about the noise and antisocial behaviour linked to fireworks, conflation with firearms in the US, really? Your example of the cat and house fire are criminal acts and should be dealt with accordingly. Criminal acts that would not be possible if fireworks were not available to the public. The key component of a firework and a bullet is the same BTW so not really a stretch. And it was you saying it is about people not product so the parallels are appropriate
Making something harder to access doesn’t magically fix behaviour issues, it just drives them underground to get hold of the things that are banned.
You say yourself how do you catch them, if you think they can't be caught you are basically taking choice away from those wo would use them with consideration and allowing those that don't to carry on. It also shows that you have subconsciously accepted that law & order and the social fabric are broken to the point that you can't see how a person is punished for their crimes, and why you are advocating the removal of the item rather than tackling the individuals.
I don’t see where the poster suggested not tackling law-breakers. And it’s not an either / or scenario.
The poster is suggesting controlling access. I see no suggestion of not chasing law-breakers.
Also, I don’t agree with any suggestion that the only problem is hooligans misusing them. That’s an extreme. Excessive, inconsiderate and dangerous use of fireworks is also a problem. Every year, people injure themselves with fireworks.
Fair point. My examples were hooligans but the issue is broader. Just ask the fire brigade and ambulance service, they’re very much in favour of banning sales of fireworks (explosives) to the public.
There are amazing organised displays in most towns. Nobody needs to have a box at home."Cheers. And I completely understand and accept your thoughts re deliberate misuse of fireworks. | |||
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"if it's a question of advise from the fire brigade and ambulance service and they were forced to make a choice, then they’re very much more in favour of 20mph speed limits being rolled out across england. let's see how that sits with the anti-firework lobby then. " “Anti-firework lobby”? Someone expresses an opinion on a subject and they are immediately seen as being part of some sort of lobby group? | |||
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"if it's a question of advise from the fire brigade and ambulance service and they were forced to make a choice, then they’re very much more in favour of 20mph speed limits being rolled out across england. let's see how that sits with the anti-firework lobby then. Are they mates with the anti-private school lobby? " no that's just a figment of your mind | |||
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"if it's a question of advise from the fire brigade and ambulance service and they were forced to make a choice, then they’re very much more in favour of 20mph speed limits being rolled out across england. let's see how that sits with the anti-firework lobby then. Are they mates with the anti-private school lobby? no that's just a figment of your mind " Now are you sure about that? ‘Cos it sounds like your anti-firework lobby being the same people against 20mph zones is something you just totally made up LOL! 😂 | |||
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"if it's a question of advise from the fire brigade and ambulance service and they were forced to make a choice, then they’re very much more in favour of 20mph speed limits being rolled out across england. let's see how that sits with the anti-firework lobby then. " 20 mph speed limits are being rolled out, or at least they are around here, no one’s getting particularly upset about it. When you’ve witnessed frightened cattle stampede causing harm to themselves and others, you may realise just how twatish letting off fireworks is. | |||
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"There's that word again, Ban. How they love banning things. Fireworks last a few minutes, Guy Fawkes night is once a year. As per, this is more about state overreach than protecting folks ears. Ffs. What a joyless little shithole our country is becoming. " that’s what they want it to be joyless like I said further up they are just born old an want the goverment to ban fireworks just joyless unhappy ppl makes me wonder what a swingers club or party would be like with that lot attending be zero shagging that’s for sure lol | |||
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"There's that word again, Ban. How they love banning things. Fireworks last a few minutes, Guy Fawkes night is once a year. As per, this is more about state overreach than protecting folks ears. Ffs. What a joyless little shithole our country is becoming. that’s what they want it to be joyless like I said further up they are just born old an want the goverment to ban fireworks just joyless unhappy ppl makes me wonder what a swingers club or party would be like with that lot attending be zero shagging that’s for sure lol" Nah, they just don’t need explosives to make things go with a bang  | |||
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"There's that word again, Ban. How they love banning things. Fireworks last a few minutes, Guy Fawkes night is once a year. As per, this is more about state overreach than protecting folks ears. Ffs. What a joyless little shithole our country is becoming. that’s what they want it to be joyless like I said further up they are just born old an want the goverment to ban fireworks just joyless unhappy ppl makes me wonder what a swingers club or party would be like with that lot attending be zero shagging that’s for sure lol" Couple of flawed leaps there, I’m afraid! Thinking that better control of fireworks might be a good thing does not make me “joyless” or mean that I want lots of fun things banned. And if certainly doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy shagging! I really don’t see where you got that assumption from. | |||
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"There's that word again, Ban. How they love banning things. Fireworks last a few minutes, Guy Fawkes night is once a year. As per, this is more about state overreach than protecting folks ears. Ffs. What a joyless little shithole our country is becoming. that’s what they want it to be joyless like I said further up they are just born old an want the goverment to ban fireworks just joyless unhappy ppl makes me wonder what a swingers club or party would be like with that lot attending be zero shagging that’s for sure lol Couple of flawed leaps there, I’m afraid! Thinking that better control of fireworks might be a good thing does not make me “joyless” or mean that I want lots of fun things banned. And if certainly doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy shagging! I really don’t see where you got that assumption from. " Indeed. And what is joyless about thinking organised events are better than a box of shitty fireworks in the back garden. Let’s be real about this, some people shouldn't be let loose with a candle let alone explosives! | |||
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"We’ve become a nation of whining curtain twitchers, more interested in taking things away from everyone rather than dealing with the problem makers. Do you think that banning fireworks will stop the anti-social hooligans from getting their hands on them? they’ll find a way to get them. The issue isn’t the fireworks it’s the people using them irresponsibly, and we’re too quick to target the easy fix instead of addressing the actual problem. Ah the old “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument. The NRA are keen to sign you up. How do you catch the hooligans? How does catching them save the life of the cat (see my example above)? What about the house that caught fire after a rocket launched through letterbox? If only licensed operators could purchase and use fireworks, it would actually be easier to control and track origins if some fell into the wrong hands (yes often little is left but not always). This is about the noise and antisocial behaviour linked to fireworks, conflation with firearms in the US, really? Your example of the cat and house fire are criminal acts and should be dealt with accordingly. Criminal acts that would not be possible if fireworks were not available to the public. The key component of a firework and a bullet is the same BTW so not really a stretch. And it was you saying it is about people not product so the parallels are appropriate
Making something harder to access doesn’t magically fix behaviour issues, it just drives them underground to get hold of the things that are banned.
You say yourself how do you catch them, if you think they can't be caught you are basically taking choice away from those wo would use them with consideration and allowing those that don't to carry on. It also shows that you have subconsciously accepted that law & order and the social fabric are broken to the point that you can't see how a person is punished for their crimes, and why you are advocating the removal of the item rather than tackling the individuals.
We’re talking about scallies. Dodgy little teenage gits. Ruffians. Hoodie wearing no marks. Not master criminals
Just make it harder for these thick twats to get hold of explosives.
You do like to trot out the hyperbole!
You see this is why it is almost impossible to have an informed adult conversation about so many issues, because of the faux outrage and false equivalence some seem so desperate to propagate! "Hyperbole PMSL
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"There's that word again, Ban. How they love banning things. Fireworks last a few minutes, Guy Fawkes night is once a year. As per, this is more about state overreach than protecting folks ears. Ffs. What a joyless little shithole our country is becoming. that’s what they want it to be joyless like I said further up they are just born old an want the goverment to ban fireworks just joyless unhappy ppl makes me wonder what a swingers club or party would be like with that lot attending be zero shagging that’s for sure lol Couple of flawed leaps there, I’m afraid! Thinking that better control of fireworks might be a good thing does not make me “joyless” or mean that I want lots of fun things banned. And if certainly doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy shagging! I really don’t see where you got that assumption from. Indeed. And what is joyless about thinking organised events are better than a box of shitty fireworks in the back garden. Let’s be real about this, some people shouldn't be let loose with a candle let alone explosives! " Are we advocating banning candles next? | |||
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"There's that word again, Ban. How they love banning things. Fireworks last a few minutes, Guy Fawkes night is once a year. As per, this is more about state overreach than protecting folks ears. Ffs. What a joyless little shithole our country is becoming. that’s what they want it to be joyless like I said further up they are just born old an want the goverment to ban fireworks just joyless unhappy ppl makes me wonder what a swingers club or party would be like with that lot attending be zero shagging that’s for sure lol Couple of flawed leaps there, I’m afraid! Thinking that better control of fireworks might be a good thing does not make me “joyless” or mean that I want lots of fun things banned. And if certainly doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy shagging! I really don’t see where you got that assumption from. Indeed. And what is joyless about thinking organised events are better than a box of shitty fireworks in the back garden. Let’s be real about this, some people shouldn't be let loose with a candle let alone explosives! Are we advocating banning candles next?" No cos that would be silly | |||
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"There's that word again, Ban. How they love banning things. Fireworks last a few minutes, Guy Fawkes night is once a year. As per, this is more about state overreach than protecting folks ears. Ffs. What a joyless little shithole our country is becoming. that’s what they want it to be joyless like I said further up they are just born old an want the goverment to ban fireworks just joyless unhappy ppl makes me wonder what a swingers club or party would be like with that lot attending be zero shagging that’s for sure lol Couple of flawed leaps there, I’m afraid! Thinking that better control of fireworks might be a good thing does not make me “joyless” or mean that I want lots of fun things banned. And if certainly doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy shagging! I really don’t see where you got that assumption from. Indeed. And what is joyless about thinking organised events are better than a box of shitty fireworks in the back garden. Let’s be real about this, some people shouldn't be let loose with a candle let alone explosives! Are we advocating banning candles next? No cos that would be silly "But it's not a bad idea to at least supervise small children with burning candles, especially if there's any inflammable materials lying around. Or does that make me a joyless control freak? | |||
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"We’ve become a nation of whining curtain twitchers, more interested in taking things away from everyone rather than dealing with the problem makers. Do you think that banning fireworks will stop the anti-social hooligans from getting their hands on them? they’ll find a way to get them. The issue isn’t the fireworks it’s the people using them irresponsibly, and we’re too quick to target the easy fix instead of addressing the actual problem. Ah the old “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument. The NRA are keen to sign you up. How do you catch the hooligans? How does catching them save the life of the cat (see my example above)? What about the house that caught fire after a rocket launched through letterbox? If only licensed operators could purchase and use fireworks, it would actually be easier to control and track origins if some fell into the wrong hands (yes often little is left but not always). This is about the noise and antisocial behaviour linked to fireworks, conflation with firearms in the US, really? Your example of the cat and house fire are criminal acts and should be dealt with accordingly. Criminal acts that would not be possible if fireworks were not available to the public. The key component of a firework and a bullet is the same BTW so not really a stretch. And it was you saying it is about people not product so the parallels are appropriate
Making something harder to access doesn’t magically fix behaviour issues, it just drives them underground to get hold of the things that are banned.
You say yourself how do you catch them, if you think they can't be caught you are basically taking choice away from those wo would use them with consideration and allowing those that don't to carry on. It also shows that you have subconsciously accepted that law & order and the social fabric are broken to the point that you can't see how a person is punished for their crimes, and why you are advocating the removal of the item rather than tackling the individuals.
We’re talking about scallies. Dodgy little teenage gits. Ruffians. Hoodie wearing no marks. Not master criminals
Just make it harder for these thick twats to get hold of explosives.
You do like to trot out the hyperbole!
You see this is why it is almost impossible to have an informed adult conversation about so many issues, because of the faux outrage and false equivalence some seem so desperate to propagate!
Hyperbole PMSL
Why is it impossible to have a grown up conversation, does that only happen when people agree with you? "Yep I would say saying things like: “it just drives them underground to get hold of the things that are banned.” And “It also shows that you have subconsciously accepted that law & order and the social fabric are broken to the point that you can't see how a person is punished for their crimes” Is at best a complete leap or false assumption and certainly comes across as hyperbole 👍 This thread has had silly responses such as should we ban bikes and where does it stop etc. All twaddle. We are talking about explosives that each year cause serious injuries, start fires, or are abused by scallies. They cause significant stress to domestic animals and wildlife. They are completely unnecessary as organised displays happen all over the country, are safe, and far more spectacular. But let’s try and shift the discussion to criminals or other things being banned. All very silly! | |||
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"There's that word again, Ban. How they love banning things. Fireworks last a few minutes, Guy Fawkes night is once a year. As per, this is more about state overreach than protecting folks ears. Ffs. What a joyless little shithole our country is becoming. that’s what they want it to be joyless like I said further up they are just born old an want the goverment to ban fireworks just joyless unhappy ppl makes me wonder what a swingers club or party would be like with that lot attending be zero shagging that’s for sure lol Couple of flawed leaps there, I’m afraid! Thinking that better control of fireworks might be a good thing does not make me “joyless” or mean that I want lots of fun things banned. And if certainly doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy shagging! I really don’t see where you got that assumption from. Indeed. And what is joyless about thinking organised events are better than a box of shitty fireworks in the back garden. Let’s be real about this, some people shouldn't be let loose with a candle let alone explosives! " you can say that about almost anything then | |||
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"Your comments prior to mine hit the nail on the head. Well done." Ah in that case thank you. I do my best but at times it is quite difficult on here | |||
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"There's that word again, Ban. How they love banning things. Fireworks last a few minutes, Guy Fawkes night is once a year. As per, this is more about state overreach than protecting folks ears. Ffs. What a joyless little shithole our country is becoming. that’s what they want it to be joyless like I said further up they are just born old an want the goverment to ban fireworks just joyless unhappy ppl makes me wonder what a swingers club or party would be like with that lot attending be zero shagging that’s for sure lol Couple of flawed leaps there, I’m afraid! Thinking that better control of fireworks might be a good thing does not make me “joyless” or mean that I want lots of fun things banned. And if certainly doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy shagging! I really don’t see where you got that assumption from. Indeed. And what is joyless about thinking organised events are better than a box of shitty fireworks in the back garden. Let’s be real about this, some people shouldn't be let loose with a candle let alone explosives! you can say that about almost anything then " Ah well then let’s extrapolate that line of thinking shall we… Let’s stop driving tests and licences, no need because most people are sensible no? Speed limits? Pah! Again only the idiots drive too fast so why should the rest of us suffer right? Actually while we are at it, let’s bring in universal gun ownership. After all, only some people are criminals or a danger to others, so why can’t we have guns? We could go on but it is clearly silly (and I am being deliberately silly). Nobody needs access to explosives except in a professional capacity. | |||
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"We’ve become a nation of whining curtain twitchers, more interested in taking things away from everyone rather than dealing with the problem makers. Do you think that banning fireworks will stop the anti-social hooligans from getting their hands on them? they’ll find a way to get them. The issue isn’t the fireworks it’s the people using them irresponsibly, and we’re too quick to target the easy fix instead of addressing the actual problem. Ah the old “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument. The NRA are keen to sign you up. How do you catch the hooligans? How does catching them save the life of the cat (see my example above)? What about the house that caught fire after a rocket launched through letterbox? If only licensed operators could purchase and use fireworks, it would actually be easier to control and track origins if some fell into the wrong hands (yes often little is left but not always). This is about the noise and antisocial behaviour linked to fireworks, conflation with firearms in the US, really? Your example of the cat and house fire are criminal acts and should be dealt with accordingly. Criminal acts that would not be possible if fireworks were not available to the public. The key component of a firework and a bullet is the same BTW so not really a stretch. And it was you saying it is about people not product so the parallels are appropriate
Making something harder to access doesn’t magically fix behaviour issues, it just drives them underground to get hold of the things that are banned.
You say yourself how do you catch them, if you think they can't be caught you are basically taking choice away from those wo would use them with consideration and allowing those that don't to carry on. It also shows that you have subconsciously accepted that law & order and the social fabric are broken to the point that you can't see how a person is punished for their crimes, and why you are advocating the removal of the item rather than tackling the individuals.
We’re talking about scallies. Dodgy little teenage gits. Ruffians. Hoodie wearing no marks. Not master criminals
Just make it harder for these thick twats to get hold of explosives.
You do like to trot out the hyperbole!
You see this is why it is almost impossible to have an informed adult conversation about so many issues, because of the faux outrage and false equivalence some seem so desperate to propagate!
Hyperbole PMSL
Why is it impossible to have a grown up conversation, does that only happen when people agree with you?
Yep I would say saying things like:
“it just drives them underground to get hold of the things that are banned.”
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“It also shows that you have subconsciously accepted that law & order and the social fabric are broken to the point that you can't see how a person is punished for their crimes”
Is at best a complete leap or false assumption and certainly comes across as hyperbole 👍
This thread has had silly responses such as should we ban bikes and where does it stop etc. All twaddle. We are talking about explosives that each year cause serious injuries, start fires, or are abused by scallies. They cause significant stress to domestic animals and wildlife. They are completely unnecessary as organised displays happen all over the country, are safe, and far more spectacular. But let’s try and shift the discussion to criminals or other things being banned. All very silly!"Apologies for the deleted posts, I wanted to finalise and not get into back and forth, this is my last reply... You’ve got your opinion, but you’re again brushing off other concerns by labelling them as “silly.” Feels passive, aggressive??.... In my view, the problem isn’t the fireworks themselves but how people use them. Organised displays might be safer, restricting everyone’s freedom because of a few irresponsible individuals isn’t a solution I can support. This kind of blanket approach is becoming too common and is actually contributing to the antisocial issues you’re concerned about. You’re entitled to think something isn’t valid, but that’s just your perspective. | |||
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"We’ve become a nation of whining curtain twitchers, more interested in taking things away from everyone rather than dealing with the problem makers. Do you think that banning fireworks will stop the anti-social hooligans from getting their hands on them? they’ll find a way to get them. The issue isn’t the fireworks it’s the people using them irresponsibly, and we’re too quick to target the easy fix instead of addressing the actual problem. Ah the old “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument. The NRA are keen to sign you up. How do you catch the hooligans? How does catching them save the life of the cat (see my example above)? What about the house that caught fire after a rocket launched through letterbox? If only licensed operators could purchase and use fireworks, it would actually be easier to control and track origins if some fell into the wrong hands (yes often little is left but not always). This is about the noise and antisocial behaviour linked to fireworks, conflation with firearms in the US, really? Your example of the cat and house fire are criminal acts and should be dealt with accordingly. Criminal acts that would not be possible if fireworks were not available to the public. The key component of a firework and a bullet is the same BTW so not really a stretch. And it was you saying it is about people not product so the parallels are appropriate
Making something harder to access doesn’t magically fix behaviour issues, it just drives them underground to get hold of the things that are banned.
You say yourself how do you catch them, if you think they can't be caught you are basically taking choice away from those wo would use them with consideration and allowing those that don't to carry on. It also shows that you have subconsciously accepted that law & order and the social fabric are broken to the point that you can't see how a person is punished for their crimes, and why you are advocating the removal of the item rather than tackling the individuals.
We’re talking about scallies. Dodgy little teenage gits. Ruffians. Hoodie wearing no marks. Not master criminals
Just make it harder for these thick twats to get hold of explosives.
You do like to trot out the hyperbole!
You see this is why it is almost impossible to have an informed adult conversation about so many issues, because of the faux outrage and false equivalence some seem so desperate to propagate!
Hyperbole PMSL
Why is it impossible to have a grown up conversation, does that only happen when people agree with you?
Yep I would say saying things like:
“it just drives them underground to get hold of the things that are banned.”
And
“It also shows that you have subconsciously accepted that law & order and the social fabric are broken to the point that you can't see how a person is punished for their crimes”
Is at best a complete leap or false assumption and certainly comes across as hyperbole 👍
This thread has had silly responses such as should we ban bikes and where does it stop etc. All twaddle. We are talking about explosives that each year cause serious injuries, start fires, or are abused by scallies. They cause significant stress to domestic animals and wildlife. They are completely unnecessary as organised displays happen all over the country, are safe, and far more spectacular. But let’s try and shift the discussion to criminals or other things being banned. All very silly!
Apologies for the deleted posts, I wanted to finalise and not get into back and forth, this is my last reply...
You’ve got your opinion, but you’re again brushing off other concerns by labelling them as “silly.” Feels passive, aggressive??....
In my view, the problem isn’t the fireworks themselves but how people use them. Organised displays might be safer, restricting everyone’s freedom because of a few irresponsible individuals isn’t a solution I can support. This kind of blanket approach is becoming too common and is actually contributing to the antisocial issues you’re concerned about. You’re entitled to think something isn’t valid, but that’s just your perspective.
"Of course people have different opinions. Life would be dull if we didn’t! I don’t brush off opinions but I will dismiss silly statements or sweeping posts with no cogent argument behind them. I am actually always happy to be persuaded differently by a well argued point backed up by considered thoughts, but not on a whim or weak argument. You’ll note in your case you started making assumptions about what I think or accept about legal process etc. it was a total reach based on very little. Now if someone can tell me why normal average people in the UK need access to explosives, and why instead watching organised licensed events won’t suffice, I will listen. | |||
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"We’ve become a nation of whining curtain twitchers, more interested in taking things away from everyone rather than dealing with the problem makers. Do you think that banning fireworks will stop the anti-social hooligans from getting their hands on them? they’ll find a way to get them. The issue isn’t the fireworks it’s the people using them irresponsibly, and we’re too quick to target the easy fix instead of addressing the actual problem. Ah the old “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument. The NRA are keen to sign you up. How do you catch the hooligans? How does catching them save the life of the cat (see my example above)? What about the house that caught fire after a rocket launched through letterbox? If only licensed operators could purchase and use fireworks, it would actually be easier to control and track origins if some fell into the wrong hands (yes often little is left but not always). This is about the noise and antisocial behaviour linked to fireworks, conflation with firearms in the US, really? Your example of the cat and house fire are criminal acts and should be dealt with accordingly. Criminal acts that would not be possible if fireworks were not available to the public. The key component of a firework and a bullet is the same BTW so not really a stretch. And it was you saying it is about people not product so the parallels are appropriate
Making something harder to access doesn’t magically fix behaviour issues, it just drives them underground to get hold of the things that are banned.
You say yourself how do you catch them, if you think they can't be caught you are basically taking choice away from those wo would use them with consideration and allowing those that don't to carry on. It also shows that you have subconsciously accepted that law & order and the social fabric are broken to the point that you can't see how a person is punished for their crimes, and why you are advocating the removal of the item rather than tackling the individuals.
We’re talking about scallies. Dodgy little teenage gits. Ruffians. Hoodie wearing no marks. Not master criminals
Just make it harder for these thick twats to get hold of explosives.
You do like to trot out the hyperbole!
You see this is why it is almost impossible to have an informed adult conversation about so many issues, because of the faux outrage and false equivalence some seem so desperate to propagate!
Hyperbole PMSL
Why is it impossible to have a grown up conversation, does that only happen when people agree with you?
Yep I would say saying things like:
“it just drives them underground to get hold of the things that are banned.”
And
“It also shows that you have subconsciously accepted that law & order and the social fabric are broken to the point that you can't see how a person is punished for their crimes”
Is at best a complete leap or false assumption and certainly comes across as hyperbole 👍
This thread has had silly responses such as should we ban bikes and where does it stop etc. All twaddle. We are talking about explosives that each year cause serious injuries, start fires, or are abused by scallies. They cause significant stress to domestic animals and wildlife. They are completely unnecessary as organised displays happen all over the country, are safe, and far more spectacular. But let’s try and shift the discussion to criminals or other things being banned. All very silly!
Apologies for the deleted posts, I wanted to finalise and not get into back and forth, this is my last reply...
You’ve got your opinion, but you’re again brushing off other concerns by labelling them as “silly.” Feels passive, aggressive??....
In my view, the problem isn’t the fireworks themselves but how people use them. Organised displays might be safer, restricting everyone’s freedom because of a few irresponsible individuals isn’t a solution I can support. This kind of blanket approach is becoming too common and is actually contributing to the antisocial issues you’re concerned about. You’re entitled to think something isn’t valid, but that’s just your perspective.
Of course people have different opinions. Life would be dull if we didn’t! I don’t brush off opinions but I will dismiss silly statements or sweeping posts with no cogent argument behind them. I am actually always happy to be persuaded differently by a well argued point backed up by considered thoughts, but not on a whim or weak argument. You’ll note in your case you started making assumptions about what I think or accept about legal process etc. it was a total reach based on very little.
Now if someone can tell me why normal average people in the UK need access to explosives, and why instead watching organised licensed events won’t suffice, I will listen.
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"We’ve become a nation of whining curtain twitchers, more interested in taking things away from everyone rather than dealing with the problem makers. Do you think that banning fireworks will stop the anti-social hooligans from getting their hands on them? they’ll find a way to get them. The issue isn’t the fireworks it’s the people using them irresponsibly, and we’re too quick to target the easy fix instead of addressing the actual problem. Ah the old “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument. The NRA are keen to sign you up. How do you catch the hooligans? How does catching them save the life of the cat (see my example above)? What about the house that caught fire after a rocket launched through letterbox? If only licensed operators could purchase and use fireworks, it would actually be easier to control and track origins if some fell into the wrong hands (yes often little is left but not always). This is about the noise and antisocial behaviour linked to fireworks, conflation with firearms in the US, really? Your example of the cat and house fire are criminal acts and should be dealt with accordingly. Criminal acts that would not be possible if fireworks were not available to the public. The key component of a firework and a bullet is the same BTW so not really a stretch. And it was you saying it is about people not product so the parallels are appropriate
Making something harder to access doesn’t magically fix behaviour issues, it just drives them underground to get hold of the things that are banned.
You say yourself how do you catch them, if you think they can't be caught you are basically taking choice away from those wo would use them with consideration and allowing those that don't to carry on. It also shows that you have subconsciously accepted that law & order and the social fabric are broken to the point that you can't see how a person is punished for their crimes, and why you are advocating the removal of the item rather than tackling the individuals.
We’re talking about scallies. Dodgy little teenage gits. Ruffians. Hoodie wearing no marks. Not master criminals
Just make it harder for these thick twats to get hold of explosives.
You do like to trot out the hyperbole!
You see this is why it is almost impossible to have an informed adult conversation about so many issues, because of the faux outrage and false equivalence some seem so desperate to propagate!
Hyperbole PMSL
Why is it impossible to have a grown up conversation, does that only happen when people agree with you?
Yep I would say saying things like:
“it just drives them underground to get hold of the things that are banned.”
And
“It also shows that you have subconsciously accepted that law & order and the social fabric are broken to the point that you can't see how a person is punished for their crimes”
Is at best a complete leap or false assumption and certainly comes across as hyperbole 👍
This thread has had silly responses such as should we ban bikes and where does it stop etc. All twaddle. We are talking about explosives that each year cause serious injuries, start fires, or are abused by scallies. They cause significant stress to domestic animals and wildlife. They are completely unnecessary as organised displays happen all over the country, are safe, and far more spectacular. But let’s try and shift the discussion to criminals or other things being banned. All very silly!
Apologies for the deleted posts, I wanted to finalise and not get into back and forth, this is my last reply...
You’ve got your opinion, but you’re again brushing off other concerns by labelling them as “silly.” Feels passive, aggressive??....
In my view, the problem isn’t the fireworks themselves but how people use them. Organised displays might be safer, restricting everyone’s freedom because of a few irresponsible individuals isn’t a solution I can support. This kind of blanket approach is becoming too common and is actually contributing to the antisocial issues you’re concerned about. You’re entitled to think something isn’t valid, but that’s just your perspective.
Of course people have different opinions. Life would be dull if we didn’t! I don’t brush off opinions but I will dismiss silly statements or sweeping posts with no cogent argument behind them. I am actually always happy to be persuaded differently by a well argued point backed up by considered thoughts, but not on a whim or weak argument. You’ll note in your case you started making assumptions about what I think or accept about legal process etc. it was a total reach based on very little.
Now if someone can tell me why normal average people in the UK need access to explosives, and why instead watching organised licensed events won’t suffice, I will listen.
is that what you did as a child go to organised events or did you use your own fireworks and be honest ?"Both. What is your point? That was the 80s, we still had VHS videos, people smoked in restaurants and on planes, etc etc. Are you going to start talking about the past because things change otherwise we’d still have kids being sent up chimneys. | |||
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"Rather be silly then stuck up" Ouch a blade to my heart I tell you! The wound cuts do deep! Sticks and stones and all that LOL! Weird thought processes there though. You come into the politics forum which is not renowned for being a fun lace, get involved in a topic but then say someone is stuck up for trying to have a sensible discussion. What exactly is stuck up about trying to be serious about serious topics? Time and place for everything I’d say. Now if you’d said I was being a dull boring twat, you’d probably have a point (my wife thinks we are all a bit weird posting in the politics forum of a swinger website) but saying someone is stuck up seems a bit of a reach | |||
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"I never called you stuck up. I said that's what I'd rather be. " Aha. Yes quite agree. The trouble with social media and online discussions is that nuance and a knowing look are missed. The other issue is that when someone starts to use humour in an otherwise serious topic thread, it is generally for two reasons: 1. Genuine effort to lighten the mood (although using a often signifies that intent - and it is easy to misjudge the mood in the room, I have and caused offence, although that might have just been down to my awful Dad jokes).
2. A deliberate effort to undermine an argument by linking it with absurdities simply by association and context (people also do this by starting to talk about conspiracy theories). It is a passive aggressive way to undermine.
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"We’ve become a nation of whining curtain twitchers, more interested in taking things away from everyone rather than dealing with the problem makers. Do you think that banning fireworks will stop the anti-social hooligans from getting their hands on them? they’ll find a way to get them. The issue isn’t the fireworks it’s the people using them irresponsibly, and we’re too quick to target the easy fix instead of addressing the actual problem. Ah the old “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument. The NRA are keen to sign you up. How do you catch the hooligans? How does catching them save the life of the cat (see my example above)? What about the house that caught fire after a rocket launched through letterbox? If only licensed operators could purchase and use fireworks, it would actually be easier to control and track origins if some fell into the wrong hands (yes often little is left but not always). This is about the noise and antisocial behaviour linked to fireworks, conflation with firearms in the US, really? Your example of the cat and house fire are criminal acts and should be dealt with accordingly. Criminal acts that would not be possible if fireworks were not available to the public. The key component of a firework and a bullet is the same BTW so not really a stretch. And it was you saying it is about people not product so the parallels are appropriate
Making something harder to access doesn’t magically fix behaviour issues, it just drives them underground to get hold of the things that are banned.
You say yourself how do you catch them, if you think they can't be caught you are basically taking choice away from those wo would use them with consideration and allowing those that don't to carry on. It also shows that you have subconsciously accepted that law & order and the social fabric are broken to the point that you can't see how a person is punished for their crimes, and why you are advocating the removal of the item rather than tackling the individuals.
We’re talking about scallies. Dodgy little teenage gits. Ruffians. Hoodie wearing no marks. Not master criminals
Just make it harder for these thick twats to get hold of explosives.
You do like to trot out the hyperbole!
You see this is why it is almost impossible to have an informed adult conversation about so many issues, because of the faux outrage and false equivalence some seem so desperate to propagate!
Hyperbole PMSL
Why is it impossible to have a grown up conversation, does that only happen when people agree with you?
Yep I would say saying things like:
“it just drives them underground to get hold of the things that are banned.”
And
“It also shows that you have subconsciously accepted that law & order and the social fabric are broken to the point that you can't see how a person is punished for their crimes”
Is at best a complete leap or false assumption and certainly comes across as hyperbole 👍
This thread has had silly responses such as should we ban bikes and where does it stop etc. All twaddle. We are talking about explosives that each year cause serious injuries, start fires, or are abused by scallies. They cause significant stress to domestic animals and wildlife. They are completely unnecessary as organised displays happen all over the country, are safe, and far more spectacular. But let’s try and shift the discussion to criminals or other things being banned. All very silly!
Apologies for the deleted posts, I wanted to finalise and not get into back and forth, this is my last reply...
You’ve got your opinion, but you’re again brushing off other concerns by labelling them as “silly.” Feels passive, aggressive??....
In my view, the problem isn’t the fireworks themselves but how people use them. Organised displays might be safer, restricting everyone’s freedom because of a few irresponsible individuals isn’t a solution I can support. This kind of blanket approach is becoming too common and is actually contributing to the antisocial issues you’re concerned about. You’re entitled to think something isn’t valid, but that’s just your perspective.
Of course people have different opinions. Life would be dull if we didn’t! I don’t brush off opinions but I will dismiss silly statements or sweeping posts with no cogent argument behind them. I am actually always happy to be persuaded differently by a well argued point backed up by considered thoughts, but not on a whim or weak argument. You’ll note in your case you started making assumptions about what I think or accept about legal process etc. it was a total reach based on very little.
Now if someone can tell me why normal average people in the UK need access to explosives, and why instead watching organised licensed events won’t suffice, I will listen.
is that what you did as a child go to organised events or did you use your own fireworks and be honest ?
Both. What is your point? That was the 80s, we still had VHS videos, people smoked in restaurants and on planes, etc etc. Are you going to start talking about the past because things change otherwise we’d still have kids being sent up chimneys."Some of these posts are getting as long a yawn as Guy Fawkes night itself! | |||
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"We’ve become a nation of whining curtain twitchers, more interested in taking things away from everyone rather than dealing with the problem makers. Do you think that banning fireworks will stop the anti-social hooligans from getting their hands on them? they’ll find a way to get them. The issue isn’t the fireworks it’s the people using them irresponsibly, and we’re too quick to target the easy fix instead of addressing the actual problem. Ah the old “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument. The NRA are keen to sign you up. How do you catch the hooligans? How does catching them save the life of the cat (see my example above)? What about the house that caught fire after a rocket launched through letterbox? If only licensed operators could purchase and use fireworks, it would actually be easier to control and track origins if some fell into the wrong hands (yes often little is left but not always). This is about the noise and antisocial behaviour linked to fireworks, conflation with firearms in the US, really? Your example of the cat and house fire are criminal acts and should be dealt with accordingly. Criminal acts that would not be possible if fireworks were not available to the public. The key component of a firework and a bullet is the same BTW so not really a stretch. And it was you saying it is about people not product so the parallels are appropriate
Making something harder to access doesn’t magically fix behaviour issues, it just drives them underground to get hold of the things that are banned.
You say yourself how do you catch them, if you think they can't be caught you are basically taking choice away from those wo would use them with consideration and allowing those that don't to carry on. It also shows that you have subconsciously accepted that law & order and the social fabric are broken to the point that you can't see how a person is punished for their crimes, and why you are advocating the removal of the item rather than tackling the individuals.
We’re talking about scallies. Dodgy little teenage gits. Ruffians. Hoodie wearing no marks. Not master criminals
Just make it harder for these thick twats to get hold of explosives.
You do like to trot out the hyperbole!
You see this is why it is almost impossible to have an informed adult conversation about so many issues, because of the faux outrage and false equivalence some seem so desperate to propagate!
Hyperbole PMSL
Why is it impossible to have a grown up conversation, does that only happen when people agree with you?
Yep I would say saying things like:
“it just drives them underground to get hold of the things that are banned.”
And
“It also shows that you have subconsciously accepted that law & order and the social fabric are broken to the point that you can't see how a person is punished for their crimes”
Is at best a complete leap or false assumption and certainly comes across as hyperbole 👍
This thread has had silly responses such as should we ban bikes and where does it stop etc. All twaddle. We are talking about explosives that each year cause serious injuries, start fires, or are abused by scallies. They cause significant stress to domestic animals and wildlife. They are completely unnecessary as organised displays happen all over the country, are safe, and far more spectacular. But let’s try and shift the discussion to criminals or other things being banned. All very silly!
Apologies for the deleted posts, I wanted to finalise and not get into back and forth, this is my last reply...
You’ve got your opinion, but you’re again brushing off other concerns by labelling them as “silly.” Feels passive, aggressive??....
In my view, the problem isn’t the fireworks themselves but how people use them. Organised displays might be safer, restricting everyone’s freedom because of a few irresponsible individuals isn’t a solution I can support. This kind of blanket approach is becoming too common and is actually contributing to the antisocial issues you’re concerned about. You’re entitled to think something isn’t valid, but that’s just your perspective.
Of course people have different opinions. Life would be dull if we didn’t! I don’t brush off opinions but I will dismiss silly statements or sweeping posts with no cogent argument behind them. I am actually always happy to be persuaded differently by a well argued point backed up by considered thoughts, but not on a whim or weak argument. You’ll note in your case you started making assumptions about what I think or accept about legal process etc. it was a total reach based on very little.
Now if someone can tell me why normal average people in the UK need access to explosives, and why instead watching organised licensed events won’t suffice, I will listen.
is that what you did as a child go to organised events or did you use your own fireworks and be honest ?
Both. What is your point? That was the 80s, we still had VHS videos, people smoked in restaurants and on planes, etc etc. Are you going to start talking about the past because things change otherwise we’d still have kids being sent up chimneys.
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