FabSwingers.com forum: Are manifestos worthwhile?

By *mateur100 OP Man
21 weeks ago

nr faversham

"Labour will not increase taxes on working people, which is why we will not increase NI, the basic, higher or additional rates of Income Tax or VAT"

The words of Rachel Reeves.

Nothing there to clarify what is meant by "working people" and certainly nothing to indicate that employers NI might be hit.

At best, disingenuous. At worst, a lie.

Or is it ok because it's the Labour party, not the Tories???

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By *hrill CollinsMan
21 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

surprised you can't tell the difference between workers and businesses to be honest

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By *idnight RamblerMan
21 weeks ago

Pershore

The trick is to make manifesto commitments that get the party elected, then look for weasely ways to get around their pledges. Of course any taxes on businesses like NI are an indirect tax on workers because costs just get passed on.

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By *illowendMan
21 weeks ago

Southwold

Boris Johnson

We will and are building 41 hospitals

Blatant lie

Labour will never beat him

""Labour will not increase taxes on working people, which is why we will not increase NI, the basic, higher or additional rates of Income Tax or VAT"

The words of Rachel Reeves.

Nothing there to clarify what is meant by "working people" and certainly nothing to indicate that employers NI might be hit.

At best, disingenuous. At worst, a lie.

Or is it ok because it's the Labour party, not the Tories???"

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By *mateur100 OP Man
21 weeks ago

nr faversham

"surprised you can't tell the difference between workers and businesses to be honest"

A company director or KC is as much a worker as a nurse or a labourer. The failure of the Labour party is that they don't want to acknowledge it

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By *mateur100 OP Man
21 weeks ago

nr faversham

"Boris Johnson

We will and are building 41 hospitals

Blatant lie

Labour will never beat him

"Labour will not increase taxes on working people, which is why we will not increase NI, the basic, higher or additional rates of Income Tax or VAT"

The words of Rachel Reeves.

Nothing there to clarify what is meant by "working people" and certainly nothing to indicate that employers NI might be hit.

At best, disingenuous. At worst, a lie.

Or is it ok because it's the Labour party, not the Tories???"

Who's denying it was lie? That wasn't the question

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
21 weeks ago

nearby

Stop the boats

Smash the gangs

Another 897 arrived this week

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By *ill69888Couple
21 weeks ago

cheltenham

"surprised you can't tell the difference between workers and businesses to be honest"
oh yes, I’m sure the costs won’t get passed onto the employees…🙄

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By *irldnCouple
21 weeks ago

Brighton

"surprised you can't tell the difference between workers and businesses to be honest"

What about inside IR35 contractors?

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By *exyusMan
21 weeks ago

halifax

At the end of Labour government - that means they will be one term government - you can guarantee the state will be bigger and you'll pay more tax!

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By *icolerobbieCouple
21 weeks ago

walsall

They’re all liars. Just proved they are no better than the last lot. What’s the alternative?

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
21 weeks ago

nearby

All 21 Plymouth Labour councillors abstained from the tree felling vote, which enabled the famous illegal felling of 96 Plymouth city centre trees in 2022.

No lectures from Labour on the environment

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By *astandFeistyCouple
21 weeks ago

Bournemouth

Only one person is trying to defend them on this thread?

I'm shocked I tell you.

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By *hrill CollinsMan
21 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

"surprised you can't tell the difference between workers and businesses to be honest

A company director or KC is as much a worker as a nurse or a labourer. The failure of the Labour party is that they don't want to acknowledge it "

you're still confused about the difference between a worker and a business .... come back when you've learned that

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By *hrill CollinsMan
21 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

"surprised you can't tell the difference between workers and businesses to be honest

What about inside IR35 contractors?"

what about them?

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By *oxychick35Couple
21 weeks ago

thornaby

""Labour will not increase taxes on working people, which is why we will not increase NI, the basic, higher or additional rates of Income Tax or VAT"

The words of Rachel Reeves.

Nothing there to clarify what is meant by "working people" and certainly nothing to indicate that employers NI might be hit.

At best, disingenuous. At worst, a lie.

Or is it ok because it's the Labour party, not the Tories???"
id go with your at worse a lie

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By *emma StonesTV/TS
21 weeks ago

Crewe

"surprised you can't tell the difference between workers and businesses to be honest

What about inside IR35 contractors?

what about them?"

They've spent years avoiding paye and are a bit but hurt they might get caught by this.

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By *irldnCouple
21 weeks ago

Brighton

"surprised you can't tell the difference between workers and businesses to be honest

What about inside IR35 contractors?

what about them?"

Do you consider them a worker or a business?

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By *irldnCouple
21 weeks ago

Brighton

"surprised you can't tell the difference between workers and businesses to be honest

What about inside IR35 contractors?

what about them?

They've spent years avoiding paye and are a bit but hurt they might get caught by this.

Are you talking about inside or outside IR35?

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By *irldnCouple
21 weeks ago

Brighton

You gotta love people making statements they cannot back up and refusing to answer questions

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By *astandFeistyCouple
21 weeks ago

Bournemouth

"You gotta love people making statements they cannot back up and refusing to answer questions

Are you new round here?

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By *ortyairCouple
21 weeks ago

Wallasey

"You gotta love people making statements they cannot back up and refusing to answer questions

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🤣🤣🤣 Mrs x

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By *irldnCouple
21 weeks ago

Brighton

"You gotta love people making statements they cannot back up and refusing to answer questions

Are you new round here?"

LOLLOL LOL

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
21 weeks ago

Bedford

Manifestos are not worth the paper they are written on. Insult to the voters intelligence and are not counted as a legally binding document or contract because if they were you'd find things a bit different. Make them legally binding I say, punished by a term in prison if broken or at least fineable.

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By *emma StonesTV/TS
21 weeks ago

Crewe

"You gotta love people making statements they cannot back up and refusing to answer questions

Ok.

1 I've only just come back into this thread.

2.I didn't realise that the forum rules were that you were so special someone had to answer your question, my bad.

3. Was the

to subtle for you that it was a joke.

4. Yes I know the difference between inside and outside IR35

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By *irldnCouple
21 weeks ago

Brighton

"You gotta love people making statements they cannot back up and refusing to answer questions

Ok.

1 I've only just come back into this thread.

2.I didn't realise that the forum rules were that you were so special someone had to answer your question, my bad.

3. Was the

to subtle for you that it was a joke.

4. Yes I know the difference between inside and outside IR35"

I am very special me lol

“Too subtle”

Actually it came across as a dig at contractors but I can see it could have been the other way around, pesky internet!

Glad you know the difference.

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By *hrill CollinsMan
20 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

the difference is that if you fall inside ir35, then your attempt to be considered a business rather than a worker was foiled.

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By *irldnCouple
20 weeks ago

Brighton

"the difference is that if you fall inside ir35, then your attempt to be considered a business rather than a worker was foiled."

That took you days to figure out didn’t it

So if an inside IR35 contractor is an employee why do they:

1. Pay Employer NIC?

2. Pay Apprenticeship Levy?

From their day rate?

If they are an employee then why do they not get any rights or benefits such as:

1. Holiday pay

2. Sick pay

3. Maternity/Paternity pay

4. Employer pension contributions

5. Redundancy or notice periods

6. TUPE

7. Paid time off for learning & development

Any thoughts?

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By *hrill CollinsMan
20 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

"the difference is that if you fall inside ir35, then your attempt to be considered a business rather than a worker was foiled.

That took you days to figure out didn’t it

So if an inside IR35 contractor is an employee why do they:

1. Pay Employer NIC?

2. Pay Apprenticeship Levy?

From their day rate?

If they are an employee then why do they not get any rights or benefits such as:

1. Holiday pay

2. Sick pay

3. Maternity/Paternity pay

4. Employer pension contributions

5. Redundancy or notice periods

6. TUPE

7. Paid time off for learning & development

Any thoughts?"

stop trying to game the system ... simple really innit

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By *irldnCouple
20 weeks ago

Brighton

"the difference is that if you fall inside ir35, then your attempt to be considered a business rather than a worker was foiled.

That took you days to figure out didn’t it

So if an inside IR35 contractor is an employee why do they:

1. Pay Employer NIC?

2. Pay Apprenticeship Levy?

From their day rate?

If they are an employee then why do they not get any rights or benefits such as:

1. Holiday pay

2. Sick pay

3. Maternity/Paternity pay

4. Employer pension contributions

5. Redundancy or notice periods

6. TUPE

7. Paid time off for learning & development

Any thoughts?

stop trying to game the system ... simple really innit

Amazing. No comment on facts listed above. Just some inaccurate rubbish

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