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"Having a chat to Chinese tourist the other day, I asked what they thought of England, they replied... disappointed, you have homeless, beggers, drug addicts, crime. I nodded, and asked the question, what would happen in China? They said it simply wouldn't happen, they don't serve society, or productive. Which society has the right idea?" China has all that Mrs x | |||
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"I lived and worked in China for a decade. There are seldom homeless people on the streets, but that's more to do with Police intolerance of anti-social behaviour. Chinese citizens have far less state support than we do in the UK - they are expected to look after themselves and care for their families. There was not much sympathy generally for people who'd 'hit the bottom'- it's seen as lack of self discipline and loss of face (a huge social concept in China called mianzi)." Did you see any drug or alcohol addiction whilst there? | |||
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"Socialist / communist the opposition to capitalism that isnt controlled by the state "Capitalists quite liked socialism after the financial crash. | |||
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"I lived and worked in China for a decade. There are seldom homeless people on the streets, but that's more to do with Police intolerance of anti-social behaviour. Chinese citizens have far less state support than we do in the UK - they are expected to look after themselves and care for their families. There was not much sympathy generally for people who'd 'hit the bottom'- it's seen as lack of self discipline and loss of face (a huge social concept in China called mianzi)." That is a great insight! In my opinion communism or socialism can’t work unless it’s strictly enforced. The principles of an egalitarian society will simply crumble unless the state grips the people hard. Without that control, human nature kicks and people strive for more, and the have's have-nots resurface with even wider gaps. Supporters of communism living in the West have the luxury of choice in a capitalist system that allows them to pick and choose what parts of socialism they like. They fill in the gaps with empathy and virtue signalling, but they don’t live under the harsh reality of a state that enforces equality through control and authoritarianism. The irony is that in communist regimes, you still end up with the ruling elite and a new and even bigger kind of inequality. Supporters here seem to forget that living under full communism means sacrificing choice and freedoms, and it’s easy to push for as the answer to fat cats taking it all when you’re living in the comfort of a system that gives you the freedom to criticise. | |||
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"Socialist / communist the opposition to capitalism that isnt controlled by the state
Capitalists quite liked socialism after the financial crash."Capitalists liked socialism after the financial crash? What happened wasn’t socialism; it was self-preservation. When the financial system started collapsing, they didn’t turn to socialist principles they just manipulated the state to save their own necks. It wasn’t about fairness or redistribution it was about protecting the elite. | |||
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"Socialist / communist the opposition to capitalism that isnt controlled by the state
Capitalists quite liked socialism after the financial crash.
Capitalists liked socialism after the financial crash? What happened wasn’t socialism; it was self-preservation. When the financial system started collapsing, they didn’t turn to socialist principles they just manipulated the state to save their own necks. It wasn’t about fairness or redistribution it was about protecting the elite. "Oh I'd say it was redistribution. Many of the UK population paid for it with their taxes and their livelihoods. | |||
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"Socialist / communist the opposition to capitalism that isnt controlled by the state
Capitalists quite liked socialism after the financial crash.
Capitalists liked socialism after the financial crash? What happened wasn’t socialism; it was self-preservation. When the financial system started collapsing, they didn’t turn to socialist principles they just manipulated the state to save their own necks. It wasn’t about fairness or redistribution it was about protecting the elite.
Oh I'd say it was redistribution. Many of the UK population paid for it with their taxes and their livelihoods."You’ve missed the point. What happened wasn’t redistribution in the socialist sense it was theft in broad daylight. Yes, the public paid for it, but that wasn’t some noble act of redistributing wealth. The banking and financial elite got saved, and the rest of society footed the bill. That’s not socialism, that’s capitalism protecting itself at everyone else’s expense | |||
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"Having a chat to Chinese tourist the other day, I asked what they thought of England, they replied... disappointed, you have homeless, beggers, drug addicts, crime. I nodded, and asked the question, what would happen in China? They said it simply wouldn't happen, they don't serve society, or productive. Which society has the right idea?" East Germany was similar, no litter, no homeless. There were some upsides. But very few people would want to go back to the old regime. | |||
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"Having a chat to Chinese tourist the other day, I asked what they thought of England, they replied... disappointed, you have homeless, beggers, drug addicts, crime. I nodded, and asked the question, what would happen in China? They said it simply wouldn't happen, they don't serve society, or productive. Which society has the right idea? East Germany was similar, no litter, no homeless. There were some upsides. But very few people would want to go back to the old regime." to be fair most of europe used to be litter free, until the brits arrived ... | |||
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"I lived and worked in China for a decade. There are seldom homeless people on the streets, but that's more to do with Police intolerance of anti-social behaviour. Chinese citizens have far less state support than we do in the UK - they are expected to look after themselves and care for their families. There was not much sympathy generally for people who'd 'hit the bottom'- it's seen as lack of self discipline and loss of face (a huge social concept in China called mianzi)." What and why is the Chinese obsession with saving money. I read 35/45% of income is saved (uk 4%) | |||
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"Having a chat to Chinese tourist the other day, I asked what they thought of England, they replied... disappointed, you have homeless, beggers, drug addicts, crime. I nodded, and asked the question, what would happen in China? They said it simply wouldn't happen, they don't serve society, or productive. Which society has the right idea?" Wtf?? You have to ask that question? The only people trying to get into China are from N.korea. The rest want out. The tourists you spoke to have family in China and they were, probably, warned that if the didn't return their family would get the chop. | |||
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"I lived and worked in China for a decade. There are seldom homeless people on the streets, but that's more to do with Police intolerance of anti-social behaviour. Chinese citizens have far less state support than we do in the UK - they are expected to look after themselves and care for their families. There was not much sympathy generally for people who'd 'hit the bottom'- it's seen as lack of self discipline and loss of face (a huge social concept in China called mianzi). What and why is the Chinese obsession with saving money. I read 35/45% of income is saved (uk 4%) " It comes from extensive poverty and hunger in the Mao era that still casts long shadows. Chinese don't much like credit and like to save for a rainy day. | |||
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"I lived and worked in China for a decade. There are seldom homeless people on the streets, but that's more to do with Police intolerance of anti-social behaviour. Chinese citizens have far less state support than we do in the UK - they are expected to look after themselves and care for their families. There was not much sympathy generally for people who'd 'hit the bottom'- it's seen as lack of self discipline and loss of face (a huge social concept in China called mianzi). What and why is the Chinese obsession with saving money. I read 35/45% of income is saved (uk 4%) " Hard workers in every developing country do that. They know that the state isn't going to take care of them in the old age. So they prefer saving money and taking care of themselves and the rest of the family. | |||
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"Socialist / communist the opposition to capitalism that isnt controlled by the state
Capitalists quite liked socialism after the financial crash.
Capitalists liked socialism after the financial crash? What happened wasn’t socialism; it was self-preservation. When the financial system started collapsing, they didn’t turn to socialist principles they just manipulated the state to save their own necks. It wasn’t about fairness or redistribution it was about protecting the elite.
Oh I'd say it was redistribution. Many of the UK population paid for it with their taxes and their livelihoods.
You’ve missed the point. What happened wasn’t redistribution in the socialist sense it was theft in broad daylight. Yes, the public paid for it, but that wasn’t some noble act of redistributing wealth. The banking and financial elite got saved, and the rest of society footed the bill. That’s not socialism, that’s capitalism protecting itself at everyone else’s expense "Someone called it Capitalism for the poor and Socialism for the rich. | |||
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"Socialist / communist the opposition to capitalism that isnt controlled by the state
Capitalists quite liked socialism after the financial crash.
Capitalists liked socialism after the financial crash? What happened wasn’t socialism; it was self-preservation. When the financial system started collapsing, they didn’t turn to socialist principles they just manipulated the state to save their own necks. It wasn’t about fairness or redistribution it was about protecting the elite.
Oh I'd say it was redistribution. Many of the UK population paid for it with their taxes and their livelihoods."Any pro-capitalist worth the salt should be against these kind of government handouts to save businesses. The business went under for a reason. They should have been let go. If the government didn't collect that much tax in the first place, they probably won't have that much money to save the failing businesses  | |||
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