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"The next Conservative Party Leader will inevitably crash and burn as they are being chosen from a pool of talentless chancers. However, the one after this pending one will (in my opinion) acknowledge the mistake of Brexit and campaign to initially rejoin the CU and SM and then leave the door open for a future to rejoin the EU. This is an obvious open door left open by Kier Starmer’s fear of tackling the Brexit financial deficit. Common sense will prevail again and if Starmer doesn’t react to the very obvious way of increasing revenues then the next but one Conservative Leader surely will. " "Common sense will prevail again" I admire your faith, but can't see a return to any common sense anytime soon. | |||
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"The next Conservative Party Leader will inevitably crash and burn as they are being chosen from a pool of talentless chancers. However, the one after this pending one will (in my opinion) acknowledge the mistake of Brexit and campaign to initially rejoin the CU and SM and then leave the door open for a future to rejoin the EU. This is an obvious open door left open by Kier Starmer’s fear of tackling the Brexit financial deficit. Common sense will prevail again and if Starmer doesn’t react to the very obvious way of increasing revenues then the next but one Conservative Leader surely will. " Common sense in politicians? Nah  | |||
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"The next Conservative Party Leader will inevitably crash and burn as they are being chosen from a pool of talentless chancers. However, the one after this pending one will (in my opinion) acknowledge the mistake of Brexit and campaign to initially rejoin the CU and SM and then leave the door open for a future to rejoin the EU. This is an obvious open door left open by Kier Starmer’s fear of tackling the Brexit financial deficit. Common sense will prevail again and if Starmer doesn’t react to the very obvious way of increasing revenues then the next but one Conservative Leader surely will. Common sense in politicians? Nah "Not politicians, it's down to public opinion, like it or not | |||
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"The next Conservative Party Leader will inevitably crash and burn as they are being chosen from a pool of talentless chancers. However, the one after this pending one will (in my opinion) acknowledge the mistake of Brexit and campaign to initially rejoin the CU and SM and then leave the door open for a future to rejoin the EU. This is an obvious open door left open by Kier Starmer’s fear of tackling the Brexit financial deficit. Common sense will prevail again and if Starmer doesn’t react to the very obvious way of increasing revenues then the next but one Conservative Leader surely will. " I suspect the reason Cleverly, and it will probably be him, with C&B will be because of an immediate tack to the quasi-Blairite centre ground and we will be back to the “2 cheeks of the same arse” scenario. Campaining to return to the sclerotic cess-pit of Franco-German self interest would just be the death of the Tories. I voted against PR when the referendum happened, in hindsight I think if the system were right I’d vote in favour because if we had that in place Reform would have over 60 MPs and the Fib Dems fewer than 10, which was both the inverse of what happened and actually reflective of the quantum of the GE vote share. The fact is that with the exception of the fanatical Remainers it’s over and done with, “normal people” have moved on and there’s no appetite to rejoin. What people care about now is the obvious causal link between uncontrolled mass immigration and the effects on the taxes to pay for the consequences, the squeeze on housing and public services it creates and rejoining the EU won’t solve that problem and will likely just exaccerbate it. If the Tories had gripped that problem then in all likelihood they would still be in power. | |||
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"The next Conservative Party Leader will inevitably crash and burn as they are being chosen from a pool of talentless chancers. However, the one after this pending one will (in my opinion) acknowledge the mistake of Brexit and campaign to initially rejoin the CU and SM and then leave the door open for a future to rejoin the EU. This is an obvious open door left open by Kier Starmer’s fear of tackling the Brexit financial deficit. Common sense will prevail again and if Starmer doesn’t react to the very obvious way of increasing revenues then the next but one Conservative Leader surely will. I suspect the reason Cleverly, and it will probably be him, with C&B will be because of an immediate tack to the quasi-Blairite centre ground and we will be back to the “2 cheeks of the same arse” scenario. Campaining to return to the sclerotic cess-pit of Franco-German self interest would just be the death of the Tories. I voted against PR when the referendum happened, in hindsight I think if the system were right I’d vote in favour because if we had that in place Reform would have over 60 MPs and the Fib Dems fewer than 10, which was both the inverse of what happened and actually reflective of the quantum of the GE vote share. The fact is that with the exception of the fanatical Remainers it’s over and done with, “normal people” have moved on and there’s no appetite to rejoin. What people care about now is the obvious causal link between uncontrolled mass immigration and the effects on the taxes to pay for the consequences, the squeeze on housing and public services it creates and rejoining the EU won’t solve that problem and will likely just exaccerbate it. If the Tories had gripped that problem then in all likelihood they would still be in power. " I agree. The media has moved on, most people don't care or don't know the billions it's still costing the economy every year. 'Look at those people in that small boat over there.' | |||
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"How much do we think it will cost us to rejoin, and do the E.U want us back, on the terms we left them?" Well we'll never get the same terms back we had before. Those privileges are gone. What should be done is basically the opposite of before. Run a proper project to look at the best way to mitigate all the problems caused by Brexit, with applying to rejoin as one of the options. Find out all the info, and then make the best decision. Rather than the utter nonsensical bullshit that was pumped into people's homes persuading them to vote for this huge turd we have now. | |||
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"from now on in, parties that make being part of the EU will romp home at the ballot box." I think there is a re join party with basically that single issue. Bit like ukip in reverse. Don't think they got much in the way of seats but early days. Lib dems seem to have gone a bit quiet on the subject but before were the main party for those that want to rejoin | |||
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"from now on in, parties that make being part of the EU will romp home at the ballot box." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 | |||
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"from now on in, parties that make being part of the EU will romp home at the ballot box. I think there is a re join party with basically that single issue. Bit like ukip in reverse. Don't think they got much in the way of seats but early days. Lib dems seem to have gone a bit quiet on the subject but before were the main party for those that want to rejoin" Then there was Gina Miller’s Truth party. I think he mum, day, and johnny 2 notes voted for her before she filed for insolvency. | |||
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"from now on in, parties that make being part of the EU will romp home at the ballot box. I think there is a re join party with basically that single issue. Bit like ukip in reverse. Don't think they got much in the way of seats but early days. Lib dems seem to have gone a bit quiet on the subject but before were the main party for those that want to rejoin Then there was Gina Miller’s Truth party. I think he mum, day, and johnny 2 notes voted for her before she filed for insolvency. " Why are you bringing me into this? You'll see I specifically said that I don't automatically thing we should try to rejoin the EU. Only a few posts up. This place is really going down the shitter. Just make up any horseshit you like about anyone or anything and pretend it's true. | |||
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"We will most likely all be communist by then when Putin decides to take us over if we don't stop him in Ukraine." You think Putin is a Communist?  | |||
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"Rejoin the EU day dreamers We are still paying billions to them for little in return. As for trade we would have been better of using WTO rules in an out of the EU. Remember the EU want to sell to the UK and for that to be economic for them goods have to be on the return lorries. The biggest problem the UK faces is due to covid and the billions Boris no balls handed out. All countries that toke the 6month holiday are suffering." 
I assume this is a parody post. But there are a large portion of the electorate that still have no clue what the EU is, how it works and how it functions. | |||
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"UK will not rejoin the EU because it means under the new EU terms of joining will mean the country will have to join the Euro Currency as well as accepting Free Movement which the majority of the people in the UK dont want" Where is the proof that underpins this statement? I guess we will be waiting a long time to see it. | |||
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"By their own admission, the EU is uncompetitive in the modern world order, yet we are talking about re-joining? Like "yeah, we'll have some of that!"" It’s incredible that people can’t think behind the headlines that they read. No individual person or country can reasonably believe that a collective trade area is supposed to be competitive between each member state. The EU is not a country The benefit of a large single market is a huge potential customer base. But, millions of people were groomed to think that a smaller potential customer base was much better for the companies and individuals who trade from the U.K. “let’s make their job more difficult” they yelled, “let’s put economic sanctions on ourselves” they cheered. Muppets. | |||
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"By their own admission, the EU is uncompetitive in the modern world order, yet we are talking about re-joining? Like "yeah, we'll have some of that!" It’s incredible that people can’t think behind the headlines that they read. No individual person or country can reasonably believe that a collective trade area is supposed to be competitive between each member state. The EU is not a country The benefit of a large single market is a huge potential customer base. But, millions of people were groomed to think that a smaller potential customer base was much better for the companies and individuals who trade from the U.K. “let’s make their job more difficult” they yelled, “let’s put economic sanctions on ourselves” they cheered. Muppets." I don’t recognise the scenarios you are saying happened here. Are you sure this happened like you say, groomed? | |||
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"The next Conservative Party Leader will inevitably crash and burn as they are being chosen from a pool of talentless chancers. However, the one after this pending one will (in my opinion) acknowledge the mistake of Brexit and campaign to initially rejoin the CU and SM and then leave the door open for a future to rejoin the EU. This is an obvious open door left open by Kier Starmer’s fear of tackling the Brexit financial deficit. Common sense will prevail again and if Starmer doesn’t react to the very obvious way of increasing revenues then the next but one Conservative Leader surely will. " I don't think the next but one Tory leader will campaign for rejoining the EU, not even in a Norway style. I think your right that the very next one will just be interim but can't see anyone obvious after that. Unless Labour continue making mistakes for all of their term, I can't see anyone else in government for a long time and if anyone will take us back in it will be Labour (despite their promise not to). Just an opinion, nothing else. | |||
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"By their own admission, the EU is uncompetitive in the modern world order, yet we are talking about re-joining? Like "yeah, we'll have some of that!" It’s incredible that people can’t think behind the headlines that they read. No individual person or country can reasonably believe that a collective trade area is supposed to be competitive between each member state. The EU is not a country The benefit of a large single market is a huge potential customer base. But, millions of people were groomed to think that a smaller potential customer base was much better for the companies and individuals who trade from the U.K. “let’s make their job more difficult” they yelled, “let’s put economic sanctions on ourselves” they cheered. Muppets. I don’t recognise the scenarios you are saying happened here. Are you sure this happened like you say, groomed? " Well… We still have people believing that the EU is a country like the USA. We still have people thinking that losing £40 billion a year on trade with the EU which has not (and will not) be replaced is a good thing. We still have people believing that the EU (and not Brexit) is the cause of people crossing the channel in small boats. We still have people thinking that the EU needs us more than we need them despite the fact that we have left and we are suffering more than the EU. We still have people thinking that reducing the size of our local free market by 60% and replace it far away markets that are inaccessible to most small and medium sized businesses is a good thing. So, for those people, I would say that the Brexit misinformation that was rammed down their throats in the form of simple soundbytes was very effective grooming. I mean who really wants to try understand complicated stuff when someone else makes things sound really simple - even if it is a load of old bollocks. | |||
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"Wow it really does amaze me that people are still banging on about brexit, i only ever see people on this forum who are still pissed off about it, in the real world people who i know who voted remain are of the opinion its happend now so why bother stressing about it,most of em are of the opinion if we do ever go back in its gona be AT least 20 years and they will be to old to care by then" Yes righty ho. I am sure you have lots of conversations just like that despite less than 10% of the population thinking that Brexit has been any kind of success. Benefits of an anonymous forum. | |||
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"By their own admission, the EU is uncompetitive in the modern world order, yet we are talking about re-joining? Like "yeah, we'll have some of that!" It’s incredible that people can’t think behind the headlines that they read. No individual person or country can reasonably believe that a collective trade area is supposed to be competitive between each member state. The EU is not a country The benefit of a large single market is a huge potential customer base. But, millions of people were groomed to think that a smaller potential customer base was much better for the companies and individuals who trade from the U.K. “let’s make their job more difficult” they yelled, “let’s put economic sanctions on ourselves” they cheered. Muppets. I don’t recognise the scenarios you are saying happened here. Are you sure this happened like you say, groomed? Well… We still have people believing that the EU is a country like the USA. We still have people thinking that losing £40 billion a year on trade with the EU which has not (and will not) be replaced is a good thing. We still have people believing that the EU (and not Brexit) is the cause of people crossing the channel in small boats. We still have people thinking that the EU needs us more than we need them despite the fact that we have left and we are suffering more than the EU. We still have people thinking that reducing the size of our local free market by 60% and replace it far away markets that are inaccessible to most small and medium sized businesses is a good thing. So, for those people, I would say that the Brexit misinformation that was rammed down their throats in the form of simple soundbytes was very effective grooming. I mean who really wants to try understand complicated stuff when someone else makes things sound really simple - even if it is a load of old bollocks. " I’m not convinced that the views you mention are still held or were ever held. I’ve not heard anyone other than you say this is a thing post Brexit, and when I did hear this it was never from someone who wanted to leave the EU. I voted remain for clarity | |||
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