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"Is he the one with his hand up sir two tier keir backside? Pulling the strings and giving the orders? I suspect so, hence getting the unpopular decision in early, especially with the majority... something Blair would of done, and can see starmer being his lap dog. But, if he was running things, would it diminished your support for the prime minister?" If you remember 'Dave' Cameron of the House of Lords was appointed by Sunak Foreign Secretary. I'm surprised that Lammy made it as Foreign Secretary as Starmer could easily have appointed his mentor Tony 'Blur' of the rictus smile as Foreign Secretary seeing that he too is in the House of Lords. Politics is about cronys and loyalty. | |||
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"Labour will stumble very quickly The pensioners fuel allowance removal is very unpopular. BBC says the unions are going to attempt an action against it Rayner has no chance of building 300,000 houses a year The budget will not be beneficial to economic growth. " Agreed. Already reflected in polls, labour support is dropping. | |||
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"Labour will stumble very quickly The pensioners fuel allowance removal is very unpopular. BBC says the unions are going to attempt an action against it Rayner has no chance of building 300,000 houses a year The budget will not be beneficial to economic growth. Agreed. Already reflected in polls, labour support is dropping. " Starmer has the look of a man possessed, like Blair, with his own agenda and the mantra will be'No pain, no gain' and you will suffer because it is good for your soul and morally correct. A modern day puritan, equivalent to Oliver Cromwell who banned Christmas by the way because he did not want people to enjoy themselves. Starmer is about relentless drudgery and being politically correct. | |||
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"Labour will stumble very quickly The pensioners fuel allowance removal is very unpopular. BBC says the unions are going to attempt an action against it Rayner has no chance of building 300,000 houses a year The budget will not be beneficial to economic growth. Agreed. Already reflected in polls, labour support is dropping. Starmer has the look of a man possessed, like Blair, with his own agenda and the mantra will be'No pain, no gain' and you will suffer because it is good for your soul and morally correct. A modern day puritan, equivalent to Oliver Cromwell who banned Christmas by the way because he did not want people to enjoy themselves. Starmer is about relentless drudgery and being politically correct. " Blair had a bit more charm about him, and managed to keep people inside for several years This fella … | |||
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"Labour will stumble very quickly The pensioners fuel allowance removal is very unpopular. BBC says the unions are going to attempt an action against it Rayner has no chance of building 300,000 houses a year The budget will not be beneficial to economic growth. Agreed. Already reflected in polls, labour support is dropping. Starmer has the look of a man possessed, like Blair, with his own agenda and the mantra will be'No pain, no gain' and you will suffer because it is good for your soul and morally correct. A modern day puritan, equivalent to Oliver Cromwell who banned Christmas by the way because he did not want people to enjoy themselves. Starmer is about relentless drudgery and being politically correct. Blair had a bit more charm about him, and managed to keep people inside for several years This fella … " The fella will remove the whip and hope he can keep control, he is spent already as that approach will not last long. | |||
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"Just hoovering the rug, the leftists will be here soon to defend him" Defend the rug? How do you know the rug’s gender?  | |||
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"Just hoovering the rug, the leftists will be here soon to defend him Defend the rug? How do you know the rug’s gender? "Fuck sake, now I'm getting cancelled | |||
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"Just hoovering the rug, the leftists will be here soon to defend him Defend the rug? How do you know the rug’s gender?
Fuck sake, now I'm getting cancelled "By a joke? A joke is now cancelling! FFS a joke
TBH I wasn’t sure if “hoovering the rug” was a euphemism I didn’t know 
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"Just hoovering the rug, the leftists will be here soon to defend him Defend the rug? How do you know the rug’s gender?
Fuck sake, now I'm getting cancelled
By a joke? A joke is now cancelling! FFS a joke
TBH I wasn’t sure if “hoovering the rug” was a euphemism I didn’t know
Lighten up "Umm I'm ok. I don't take this forum seriously. I just like to see two sides battling it out because let's be fair, politics is either left or right and we are a deeply divided world So lighten up | |||
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"Just hoovering the rug, the leftists will be here soon to defend him Defend the rug? How do you know the rug’s gender?
Fuck sake, now I'm getting cancelled
By a joke? A joke is now cancelling! FFS a joke
TBH I wasn’t sure if “hoovering the rug” was a euphemism I didn’t know
Lighten up
Umm I'm ok. I don't take this forum seriously. I just like to see two sides battling it out because let's be fair, politics is either left or right and we are a deeply divided world
So lighten up "Errr I sincerely hope politics isn’t either left or right. What a terrible binary black & white footballisation view that would be! What about grey? What about travelling along a spectrum? What about views being mutable depending on what the topic is. What about nuance and complexity? Now back to the rug…do you hoover in one direction so the pile faces the same way, or are you a randomer pushing the nozzle any direction that feels good | |||
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"Putting aside the obvious, Blair's been the only decent PM during my lifetime. So no it wouldn't bother me if he's significant during Starmer's decision making. Can hardly be a surprise that Labour would use the argument of needing to clean up the Tory mess. The Tories clung to the same excuse for over a decade! " only decent pm lol so dead british soilders and hundreds of thousands of iraqi civillians killed on saint Tony's lie is good in your eyes? | |||
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"Putting aside the obvious, Blair's been the only decent PM during my lifetime. So no it wouldn't bother me if he's significant during Starmer's decision making. Can hardly be a surprise that Labour would use the argument of needing to clean up the Tory mess. The Tories clung to the same excuse for over a decade! " decent? He too the country to war on a total lie. Hundreds of service personnel lost their lives, thousands seriously injured. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed/displaced. All of this led to issues in Syria and Libya and other Middle East countries. One of the main reason we have so many people landing on the shores of Europe…. Oh and let’s not forget the mid staff hospital scandal on his watch, the cash for access scandals, the unlimited immigration (yes it he Tories allowed that too), the PFI heist, the post office scandal (yes, it started under Labour), the ‘stay out of jail’ letters to terrorists, the Rotherham grooming (yep, it goes back that far…. Oh yes, he was ace 🙄🤬 | |||
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"Putting aside the obvious." For those with apparent difficulty reading: He is of course the only PM to play war. Thatcher would never have gone there... oh wait. Still if we must play the all or nothing/good vs bad game, I'd love to hear your recommendation for the unflawed PM in the past fifty years. John Major maybe? (We can maybe skip past the Edwina bit, surely not a big deal on a site like this   )
Can't be Gordon Brown because he was most definitely responsible for the entire global financial crash.
Got it - Truss. She didn't have enough time to fuck things up... oh... | |||
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"The only people in charge of the Government is Whitehall. Every PM we've ever had has been a puppet. The real power is Whitehall and they protect the Crown from the elected government. Because any idiot, revolutionary dictator could end up as PM. Watch the House of Cards tv series. "
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"When Reform UK take power in 2029, there will be many changes. Like raising the income tax threshold to 20,000. The winter fuel payments should continue to be means tested, but all pensioners should have the right to apply." "When"! Let's hope to fuck not. Who wants to be ruled by a bunch of xenophobic conspiracy theorists! | |||
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"When Reform UK take power in 2029, there will be many changes. Like raising the income tax threshold to 20,000. The winter fuel payments should continue to be means tested, but all pensioners should have the right to apply. "When"! Let's hope to fuck not. Who wants to be ruled by a bunch of xenophobic conspiracy theorists!" more than you want to admit johnny, this country stopped being what you think it is many many years ago, probably when we were both still in short trousers | |||
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"When Reform UK take power in 2029, there will be many changes. Like raising the income tax threshold to 20,000. The winter fuel payments should continue to be means tested, but all pensioners should have the right to apply. "When"! Let's hope to fuck not. Who wants to be ruled by a bunch of xenophobic conspiracy theorists!more than you want to admit johnny, this country stopped being what you think it is many many years ago, probably when we were both still in short trousers " Yeah I know, it's depressing as fuck.  | |||
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"Saying that i cant see them fucking things up any worse than the two tory partys we have" They'll take that as a challenge! | |||
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"When Reform UK take power in 2029, there will be many changes. Like raising the income tax threshold to 20,000. The winter fuel payments should continue to be means tested, but all pensioners should have the right to apply. "When"! Let's hope to fuck not. Who wants to be ruled by a bunch of xenophobic conspiracy theorists!" How utterly predictable! Reform will take votes from both Liebour and Torists. It will be great to see Farage in No 10 and a lot of lefties crying in here. | |||
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"When Reform UK take power in 2029, there will be many changes. Like raising the income tax threshold to 20,000. The winter fuel payments should continue to be means tested, but all pensioners should have the right to apply. "When"! Let's hope to fuck not. Who wants to be ruled by a bunch of xenophobic conspiracy theorists! How utterly predictable! Reform will take votes from both Liebour and Torists. It will be great to see Farage in No 10 and a lot of lefties crying in here." Why are only "lefties" opposed to being ruled by a bunch of crackpot xenophobic nut jobs? Surely anyone not consumed with fear of foriegners, and anyone who has a basic grasp of what science is would be opposed just the same? | |||
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"Just hoovering the rug, the leftists will be here soon to defend him Defend the rug? How do you know the rug’s gender?
Fuck sake, now I'm getting cancelled
By a joke? A joke is now cancelling! FFS a joke
TBH I wasn’t sure if “hoovering the rug” was a euphemism I didn’t know
Lighten up
Umm I'm ok. I don't take this forum seriously. I just like to see two sides battling it out because let's be fair, politics is either left or right and we are a deeply divided world
So lighten up "Centre / moderate isn’t allowed then? | |||
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"When Reform UK take power in 2029, there will be many changes. Like raising the income tax threshold to 20,000. The winter fuel payments should continue to be means tested, but all pensioners should have the right to apply. "When"! Let's hope to fuck not. Who wants to be ruled by a bunch of xenophobic conspiracy theorists! How utterly predictable! Reform will take votes from both Liebour and Torists. It will be great to see Farage in No 10 and a lot of lefties crying in here." Farage will never be in number 10. He is smarter than that. He will run away if there is even a sniff off a chance that he would have to implement his policies. He is an agitator, that’s all | |||
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