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By *lfaso OP   Couple
10 weeks ago

South East

People have "every right to be angry," the prime minister will say on Thursday, adding the health service must "reform or die".

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By *irldnCouple
10 weeks ago

Brighton

I thought that was a Farage slogan

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By *estivalMan
10 weeks ago

borehamwood

Well I've had my op cancelled now twice,was spoked to have been last October then 3 weeks ago ,will be signing on the sick in next cpl of months as it's getting harder and harder to work don't really want to as get bored sat at home but hey ho will be a benefit recipient until they decide to actually do my op

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
10 weeks ago

Central

Perhaps he was referring to the party that got it into this mess, over 14 years.

The motley crew of leadership candidates probably are going to make them worse and closer to the second option.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
10 weeks ago

nearby

A nod to new Labours NHS spending of £80bn via PFI that delivered £13bn of investment

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By *estivalMan
10 weeks ago

borehamwood


"Perhaps he was referring to the party that got it into this mess, over 14 years.

The motley crew of leadership candidates probably are going to make them worse and closer to the second option.

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nothing to do with Blair saddling the organisation with mountains of debt

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By *ovebjsMan
10 weeks ago

Bristol

Just wait until they start doing all of the things they castigated the tories for

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
10 weeks ago

nearby


"Just wait until they start doing all of the things they castigated the tories for "

New housing minister investigated by HMRC for cgt evasion as a second home flipper

A labour councillor renting out sub standard mouldy flats

Rachel Freeze claiming £3700 energy costs on her second home

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By *ovebjsMan
10 weeks ago

Bristol


"Just wait until they start doing all of the things they castigated the tories for

New housing minister investigated by HMRC for cgt evasion as a second home flipper

A labour councillor renting out sub standard mouldy flats

Rachel Freeze claiming £3700 energy costs on her second home "

And that’s just the start 🤣

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By *eard and TattsCouple
10 weeks ago

Cwmbran

But don't bad mouth labour. The cult might school you as to why they're so great

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By *idnight RamblerMan
10 weeks ago

Pershore

Yes, but what reform? imho it's hard to see any public-run healthcare system being efficient and value for money. That leaves privatisation which is anathema to much of the general public who'd prefer to wait 2 years for their operation than see a company make a modest profit.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
10 weeks ago

Colchester


"That leaves privatisation which is anathema to much of the general public who'd prefer to wait 2 years for their operation than see a company make a modest profit."

You know as well as I do, that the profit is not modest. And because it would be shareholder driven, the pressure to cut costs at every root and branch of the service to maximise dividend would compromise care delivery.

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The moment you make something someone else's "investment and return scenario", you create conflict of interest.

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Many private companies cannot be trusted to deliver public services safely, reliably and repeatedly. To be fair, many public sectors can't achieve the same either regardless of the colour of their tie.

It's a human thing, and there is no real answer.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
10 weeks ago

Pershore


"That leaves privatisation which is anathema to much of the general public who'd prefer to wait 2 years for their operation than see a company make a modest profit.

You know as well as I do, that the profit is not modest. And because it would be shareholder driven, the pressure to cut costs at every root and branch of the service to maximise dividend would compromise care delivery.

.

The moment you make something someone else's "investment and return scenario", you create conflict of interest.

.

Many private companies cannot be trusted to deliver public services safely, reliably and repeatedly. To be fair, many public sectors can't achieve the same either regardless of the colour of their tie.

It's a human thing, and there is no real answer.

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So who do you think develops the leading-edge drugs, the MRI scanners, the robotic surgery arms, the lasers? Yes, Doctors and Nurse are on the front line, but the tools at their disposal are developed and manufactured by private industry. They mostly trade on tight profit margins and give their shareholders and staff a fair return.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
10 weeks ago

Colchester


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So who do you think develops the leading-edge drugs, the MRI scanners, the robotic surgery arms, the lasers? They mostly trade on tight profit margins and give their shareholders and staff a fair return. "

The flip side being that they'll patent but abort a promising new drug if they feel the return is not worth continued investment. When profit drives the decision-making, altruism takes a back seat. This is measuring the value of a life by the profit it is worth. That does not sit well with me. It's reductive and focuses the innovation to be driven by the intended return, instead of the wellbeing of the patient.

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By *melie LALWoman
10 weeks ago

Peterborough


"Yes, but what reform? imho it's hard to see any public-run healthcare system being efficient and value for money. That leaves privatisation which is anathema to much of the general public who'd prefer to wait 2 years for their operation than see a company make a modest profit."

No profit

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By *melie LALWoman
10 weeks ago

Peterborough


"That leaves privatisation which is anathema to much of the general public who'd prefer to wait 2 years for their operation than see a company make a modest profit.

You know as well as I do, that the profit is not modest. And because it would be shareholder driven, the pressure to cut costs at every root and branch of the service to maximise dividend would compromise care delivery.

.

The moment you make something someone else's "investment and return scenario", you create conflict of interest.

.

Many private companies cannot be trusted to deliver public services safely, reliably and repeatedly. To be fair, many public sectors can't achieve the same either regardless of the colour of their tie.

It's a human thing, and there is no real answer.

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It's been trialled and failed. Hinchingbrooke hospital case in point. It was returned to nhs due to debt overload before the contract was up.

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