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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? " Is it all over the news?  | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? " Churches. They’re all over the pews! | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? Churches. They’re all over the pews!" Pubs. They’re all over the stews! | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? " For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? | |||
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"They put a lot of them in morgues Tom "Tom would be affected by this if he wasn't an AI bot baby of the daily mail and Musk | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? Churches. They’re all over the pews! Pubs. They’re all over the stews! " And all over the brews | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? Churches. They’re all over the pews! Pubs. They’re all over the stews! " Back on ships? They’re all on a cruise! | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? " That’s not a lot really, my city alone has around 25K new immigrants each year, we just build upwards and give them all jobs. UK is very sparsely populated compared to many places, so my guess is they spread them out. | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? " Makes me wonder what atrocities they are escaping from
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain?" That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. | |||
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"Word games are fun... There are children drowning on these crossings by the way" Yes and children also getting stabbed to death, don’t forget that. | |||
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"Word games are fun... There are children drowning on these crossings by the way Yes and children also getting stabbed to death, don’t forget that. " And do you see me making clever rhymes about them or dehumanising them? | |||
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"Word games are fun... There are children drowning on these crossings by the way Yes and children also getting stabbed to death, don’t forget that. " I saw the Croc stealing in protest of that....nicking crocs and a tray of Greggs sausage rolls will sort it | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. " Most of them have a lifetime of trauma and horrible past experiences. Some with PTSD and severe mental health problems as well. You can’t expect them to get here one day and start working and contributing to the economy the next day. This is the real world and not some fairytale. Don’t be ignorant. | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. " Well lets stop calling them illegal (as if breathing whilst stood on a certain amount of land makes you a crime) and call them refugees/asylum seekers. Lets give them jobs such as… healthcare and elderly care… oh wait is that what’s happening? Why do we need these people in our country, because the overall majority end up doing work that we who are born here wont. With an aging population, you will need more of this type of employment. Does anyone think any of these rioters would wipe a pensioners backside for minimum wage? I make this point every time. During covid lockdowns, we were throwing punches over toilet rolls. I’d hate to think what we as a socitey would do if we were being bombed. Maybe flee? Look for safety? Claim asylum? | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Well lets stop calling them illegal (as if breathing whilst stood on a certain amount of land makes you a crime) and call them refugees/asylum seekers. Lets give them jobs such as… healthcare and elderly care… oh wait is that what’s happening? Why do we need these people in our country, because the overall majority end up doing work that we who are born here wont. With an aging population, you will need more of this type of employment. Does anyone think any of these rioters would wipe a pensioners backside for minimum wage? I make this point every time. During covid lockdowns, we were throwing punches over toilet rolls. I’d hate to think what we as a socitey would do if we were being bombed. Maybe flee? Look for safety? Claim asylum?" 100% agree. I'm not sure anyone can really understand what it's like to come from a country besieged with war unless you actually experience it. And I'm confident that the same people saying asylum seekers are a burden would be the first to claim asylum if the roles were reversed. I thought humanity was about helping those in need without prejudice, but I'm obviously wrong. However, at the rate things are going, we're pretty much going to be at war with factions in our own country. It's the first time I no longer feel safe in my own country, all because of some mindless and selfish idiots doing the bidding of corrupt (and probably rich) individuals | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Most of them have a lifetime of trauma and horrible past experiences. Some with PTSD and severe mental health problems as well. You can’t expect them to get here one day and start working and contributing to the economy the next day. This is the real world and not some fairytale. Don’t be ignorant." Well it’s not ignorant is it , how do you know in your words most are in trauma and PTSD where your evidence of this??? Top asylum request are from Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey (HOMD July 2024) . Managed to cross several other countries to come to this country with severe PTSD ?? Who?? And considering it costing the tax payer £1.3 billion per year ( migrationwatchuk). That 4.300 per month for each asylum seeker. | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Most of them have a lifetime of trauma and horrible past experiences. Some with PTSD and severe mental health problems as well. You can’t expect them to get here one day and start working and contributing to the economy the next day. This is the real world and not some fairytale. Don’t be ignorant. Well it’s not ignorant is it , how do you know in your words most are in trauma and PTSD where your evidence of this??? Top asylum request are from Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey (HOMD July 2024) . Managed to cross several other countries to come to this country with severe PTSD ?? Who?? And considering it costing the tax payer £1.3 billion per year ( migrationwatchuk). That 4.300 per month for each asylum seeker. " So PTSD stops travel? You’d better tell that to ex service personnel or anyone who has it in this country from whatever source that according to you PTSD inhibits travel and anyone who has it must remain here. Including any of the half million people who emigrated the UK last year | |||
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" Well it’s not ignorant is it , how do you know in your words most are in trauma and PTSD where your evidence of this?? Top asylum request are from Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey (HOMD July 2024) . Managed to cross several other countries to come to this country with severe PTSD " I wonder over the past 20 years what has happened across that region? A war in Afghanistan? A war in Syria and Yemen, with those populations fleeing into Iran and Turkey? If an armed soldier with training returns from a warzone with PTSD and Trauma, how do you think an unarmed civilian wont have PTSD and trauma issues as well. | |||
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"Word games are fun... There are children drowning on these crossings by the way Yes and children also getting stabbed to death, don’t forget that. " You are aware that wasn’t down to assylum seekers or migrants. That’s the result of a natural resident | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Most of them have a lifetime of trauma and horrible past experiences. Some with PTSD and severe mental health problems as well. You can’t expect them to get here one day and start working and contributing to the economy the next day. This is the real world and not some fairytale. Don’t be ignorant. Well it’s not ignorant is it , how do you know in your words most are in trauma and PTSD where your evidence of this??? Top asylum request are from Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey (HOMD July 2024) . Managed to cross several other countries to come to this country with severe PTSD ?? Who?? And considering it costing the tax payer £1.3 billion per year ( migrationwatchuk). That 4.300 per month for each asylum seeker. So PTSD stops travel? You’d better tell that to ex service personnel or anyone who has it in this country from whatever source that according to you PTSD inhibits travel and anyone who has it must remain here. Including any of the half million people who emigrated the UK last year " Ask the question why do there travel through several safe countries to come to the UK? | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? Churches. They’re all over the pews! Pubs. They’re all over the stews! " I love you people you're truly amazing! which could also be said about a lot of these people in the boats, lord knows where they've come from and lord knows where they'll go but I wish luck to everyone of them that would happen to want it. A nutter is a nutter, to blame a people for a nutters actions is ludicrous. Couldn't even begin to imagine how difficult some of their journeys have been I really hope they get all the help they need and more. | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Well lets stop calling them illegal (as if breathing whilst stood on a certain amount of land makes you a crime) and call them refugees/asylum seekers. Lets give them jobs such as… healthcare and elderly care… oh wait is that what’s happening? " No, asyslum seekers are not permitted to work legally in the UK. To work in the uk you heed yo arrange in advance for a compact to sponsor you for a salary of over £36000. There’s an exception on salary for unskilled care workers but you still need sponsorship and cannot bring family members. Only after 3 years work do you get indefinite leave to remain and then bring is the rest of the family. Asylum is now the best option for most foreigners without specialist skills like doctor , dentists etc | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? Makes me wonder what atrocities they are escaping from
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Most of them have a lifetime of trauma and horrible past experiences. Some with PTSD and severe mental health problems as well. You can’t expect them to get here one day and start working and contributing to the economy the next day. This is the real world and not some fairytale. Don’t be ignorant. Well it’s not ignorant is it , how do you know in your words most are in trauma and PTSD where your evidence of this??? Top asylum request are from Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey (HOMD July 2024) . Managed to cross several other countries to come to this country with severe PTSD ?? Who?? And considering it costing the tax payer £1.3 billion per year ( migrationwatchuk). That 4.300 per month for each asylum seeker. So PTSD stops travel? You’d better tell that to ex service personnel or anyone who has it in this country from whatever source that according to you PTSD inhibits travel and anyone who has it must remain here. Including any of the half million people who emigrated the UK last year Ask the question why do there travel through several safe countries to come to the UK?" That’s not what you said. You did not say they that have crossed many countries and could have stopped before here You referenced PTSD as being the decisive factor for this So as I say tell that to all the service personnel or doctors and nurses, most of which are second or third or fourth or more related to generations that came to this country via immigration that they are not allowed to leave here for any travel | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Well lets stop calling them illegal (as if breathing whilst stood on a certain amount of land makes you a crime) and call them refugees/asylum seekers. Lets give them jobs such as… healthcare and elderly care… oh wait is that what’s happening? No, asyslum seekers are not permitted to work legally in the UK. To work in the uk you heed yo arrange in advance for a compact to sponsor you for a salary of over £36000. There’s an exception on salary for unskilled care workers but you still need sponsorship and cannot bring family members. Only after 3 years work do you get indefinite leave to remain and then bring is the rest of the family. Asylum is now the best option for most foreigners without specialist skills like doctor , dentists etc " Agreed, on the legal part, but how many barber shops do you see that are british-born-and-bred owned? How many carwashes do you see that are british-born-and-owned? We talk about burden of immigration, well a lot of these immigrants (especially from the asylum seekers) go on to be quite successful, hence over time will pay far more in than what they take out. | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? Makes me wonder what atrocities they are escaping from
what atrocities are happening in France?"Akin to what is happening here. Lack of taking responsibility and accountability, then blaming the “other” as to why you aren’t where you want to be in life. See the recent french election and the growth of nationalism in France with Le Penn | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Well lets stop calling them illegal (as if breathing whilst stood on a certain amount of land makes you a crime) and call them refugees/asylum seekers. Lets give them jobs such as… healthcare and elderly care… oh wait is that what’s happening? No, asyslum seekers are not permitted to work legally in the UK. To work in the uk you heed yo arrange in advance for a compact to sponsor you for a salary of over £36000. There’s an exception on salary for unskilled care workers but you still need sponsorship and cannot bring family members. Only after 3 years work do you get indefinite leave to remain and then bring is the rest of the family. Asylum is now the best option for most foreigners without specialist skills like doctor , dentists etc " Absolutely correct. But it is also correct that the NHS and our care industry would collapse without employees arriving from outside of the UK. | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Most of them have a lifetime of trauma and horrible past experiences. Some with PTSD and severe mental health problems as well. You can’t expect them to get here one day and start working and contributing to the economy the next day. This is the real world and not some fairytale. Don’t be ignorant." Do you really believe this ? Of course some are genuine but many pay huge sums to get across dozens of countries into the uk as it’s one of the few countries offering indefinite leave to remain and free health, education & benefits. UK is an extremely attractive destination to poor people globally. I’ve known people give up very senior jobs here to take the offer of care work in the UK. Why? Because no matter how long you are here (Dubai) it’s never permanent for you and your family, you never get citizenship , never be able to afford to bring in children, parents, grandparents, will always pay for schools and healthcare , you’ll never get a penny in benefits or state pension and ultimately you will have to leave one day. If what you say is true, why would they travel through loads of safe countries and risk crossing in a small boat. They will say whatever they’ve been told to say by the gangs they paid to best secure a permanent place here. | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Most of them have a lifetime of trauma and horrible past experiences. Some with PTSD and severe mental health problems as well. You can’t expect them to get here one day and start working and contributing to the economy the next day. This is the real world and not some fairytale. Don’t be ignorant. Well it’s not ignorant is it , how do you know in your words most are in trauma and PTSD where your evidence of this??? Top asylum request are from Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey (HOMD July 2024) . Managed to cross several other countries to come to this country with severe PTSD ?? Who?? And considering it costing the tax payer £1.3 billion per year ( migrationwatchuk). That 4.300 per month for each asylum seeker. " Are you joking? Are you saying that having your homes destroyed, families murdered and everything taken from you wouldn’t have a lasting effect on you? That is what has been happening in those countries that you have listed, let alone all the others where people are fleeing from. Just because you don’t understand it because you live in comfort, that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. Open your eyes and your heart for once. Do you think people want to leave their countries and their homes? A lot of them have no choice. | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Most of them have a lifetime of trauma and horrible past experiences. Some with PTSD and severe mental health problems as well. You can’t expect them to get here one day and start working and contributing to the economy the next day. This is the real world and not some fairytale. Don’t be ignorant. Well it’s not ignorant is it , how do you know in your words most are in trauma and PTSD where your evidence of this??? Top asylum request are from Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey (HOMD July 2024) . Managed to cross several other countries to come to this country with severe PTSD ?? Who?? And considering it costing the tax payer £1.3 billion per year ( migrationwatchuk). That 4.300 per month for each asylum seeker. So PTSD stops travel? You’d better tell that to ex service personnel or anyone who has it in this country from whatever source that according to you PTSD inhibits travel and anyone who has it must remain here. Including any of the half million people who emigrated the UK last year Ask the question why do there travel through several safe countries to come to the UK? That’s not what you said. You did not say they that have crossed many countries and could have stopped before here You referenced PTSD as being the decisive factor for this So as I say tell that to all the service personnel or doctors and nurses, most of which are second or third or fourth or more related to generations that came to this country via immigration that they are not allowed to leave here for any travel " Think you need to read your statement again and stop cherry picking. You said MOST illegal immigrants have PTSD , where is your evidence of this?? Facts ?? Then you ranted about ex military travel with PTSD ?? | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Well lets stop calling them illegal (as if breathing whilst stood on a certain amount of land makes you a crime) and call them refugees/asylum seekers. Lets give them jobs such as… healthcare and elderly care… oh wait is that what’s happening? No, asyslum seekers are not permitted to work legally in the UK. To work in the uk you heed yo arrange in advance for a compact to sponsor you for a salary of over £36000. There’s an exception on salary for unskilled care workers but you still need sponsorship and cannot bring family members. Only after 3 years work do you get indefinite leave to remain and then bring is the rest of the family. Asylum is now the best option for most foreigners without specialist skills like doctor , dentists etc Absolutely correct. But it is also correct that the NHS and our care industry would collapse without employees arriving from outside of the UK. " Absolutely but it’s getting harder, less companies will sponsor foreigners now. The job sites here are full of adverts still but you need to use specialist agencies, it’s costs 13,500 and they literally make you a fake CV and English qualification and work with the dodgiest uk care homes | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? Makes me wonder what atrocities they are escaping from
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? Makes me wonder what atrocities they are escaping from
what atrocities are happening in France?"Vast majority of them aren't French, and didn't start their journey in France. | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Most of them have a lifetime of trauma and horrible past experiences. Some with PTSD and severe mental health problems as well. You can’t expect them to get here one day and start working and contributing to the economy the next day. This is the real world and not some fairytale. Don’t be ignorant. Well it’s not ignorant is it , how do you know in your words most are in trauma and PTSD where your evidence of this??? Top asylum request are from Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey (HOMD July 2024) . Managed to cross several other countries to come to this country with severe PTSD ?? Who?? And considering it costing the tax payer £1.3 billion per year ( migrationwatchuk). That 4.300 per month for each asylum seeker. So PTSD stops travel? You’d better tell that to ex service personnel or anyone who has it in this country from whatever source that according to you PTSD inhibits travel and anyone who has it must remain here. Including any of the half million people who emigrated the UK last year Ask the question why do there travel through several safe countries to come to the UK?" I haven't got the stats, but English is a very popular second (third) language, maybe communication is the reason. Maybe they have family here. Maybe the host nations are moving them on. Maybe they like the weather  . Whatever the reason, it has to be worth the risk of travel. | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Well lets stop calling them illegal (as if breathing whilst stood on a certain amount of land makes you a crime) and call them refugees/asylum seekers. Lets give them jobs such as… healthcare and elderly care… oh wait is that what’s happening? No, asyslum seekers are not permitted to work legally in the UK. To work in the uk you heed yo arrange in advance for a compact to sponsor you for a salary of over £36000. There’s an exception on salary for unskilled care workers but you still need sponsorship and cannot bring family members. Only after 3 years work do you get indefinite leave to remain and then bring is the rest of the family. Asylum is now the best option for most foreigners without specialist skills like doctor , dentists etc " That amount fucks up the skilled workers too, like nurses. Oh yeah they have dispensation too as we beg, borrow and steal nurses from other countries. | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Most of them have a lifetime of trauma and horrible past experiences. Some with PTSD and severe mental health problems as well. You can’t expect them to get here one day and start working and contributing to the economy the next day. This is the real world and not some fairytale. Don’t be ignorant. Well it’s not ignorant is it , how do you know in your words most are in trauma and PTSD where your evidence of this??? Top asylum request are from Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey (HOMD July 2024) . Managed to cross several other countries to come to this country with severe PTSD ?? Who?? And considering it costing the tax payer £1.3 billion per year ( migrationwatchuk). That 4.300 per month for each asylum seeker. So PTSD stops travel? You’d better tell that to ex service personnel or anyone who has it in this country from whatever source that according to you PTSD inhibits travel and anyone who has it must remain here. Including any of the half million people who emigrated the UK last year Ask the question why do there travel through several safe countries to come to the UK? That’s not what you said. You did not say they that have crossed many countries and could have stopped before here You referenced PTSD as being the decisive factor for this So as I say tell that to all the service personnel or doctors and nurses, most of which are second or third or fourth or more related to generations that came to this country via immigration that they are not allowed to leave here for any travel Think you need to read your statement again and stop cherry picking. You said MOST illegal immigrants have PTSD , where is your evidence of this?? Facts ?? Then you ranted about ex military travel with PTSD ??" Biggest fact here is that it was not my original statement that said anything about PTSD it was someone else’s so its not my statement that needs to be re read | |||
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"I guess people who want more of these people will host them in their own homes or pay for their stay elsewhere, cover the payment of their daily stipends and also take responsibility for any crime they commit." Like the Ukrainian refugees? | |||
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"I guess people who want more of these people will host them in their own homes or pay for their stay elsewhere, cover the payment of their daily stipends and also take responsibility for any crime they commit. Like the Ukrainian refugees?" Yes | |||
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"I guess people who want more of these people will host them in their own homes or pay for their stay elsewhere, cover the payment of their daily stipends and also take responsibility for any crime they commit. Like the Ukrainian refugees? Yes" Was anyone held to account if the Ukrainian refugee committed a crime other than the perpatrator? Were the Ukrainians allowed to find work instantly as opposed to not having a work permit? | |||
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"I guess people who want more of these people will host them in their own homes or pay for their stay elsewhere, cover the payment of their daily stipends and also take responsibility for any crime they commit. Like the Ukrainian refugees? Yes Was anyone held to account if the Ukrainian refugee committed a crime other than the perpatrator? Were the Ukrainians allowed to find work instantly as opposed to not having a work permit?" For one thing, most Ukrainians who arrived were women and children. Genuine refugees running from war. Not single men. So the chance of them committing crime is minimal. Ukrainians can easily integrate with this culture too. You don't see them beheading people for drawing a picture or sending death threats for damaging books, do you? The country helping Ukraine also has more to do with the fact that UK's safety depends on Ukraine holding Russia. So it was not just about helping others but also protecting self. | |||
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"Word games are fun... There are children drowning on these crossings by the way Yes and children also getting stabbed to death, don’t forget that. " What has that got to do with asylum seekers? | |||
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"Word games are fun... There are children drowning on these crossings by the way Yes and children also getting stabbed to death, don’t forget that. What has that got to do with asylum seekers?" Nothing, but it's an example of how effective the anti-immigrant rhetoric has been. Reading these threads is depressing as fuck. | |||
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"Word games are fun... There are children drowning on these crossings by the way Yes and children also getting stabbed to death, don’t forget that. What has that got to do with asylum seekers?" exactly children drowning it’s discusting that parents would rust there kids life when there already in a safe country would anyone on here say they would do the same I think not | |||
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"The whole safe country bollocks just keeps getting trotted out doesn’t it! If the UK did descend into civil war and chaos with multiple factions fighting and anarchy ensuing, I would get my family out. Where would I go? Initially unless I can fly (asylum seekers can’t fly as airlines have a duty to establish reason for travel and you would need a work or tourist visa which you cannot get in most of the countries people are fleeing) it means Ireland or France by boat. I wouldn’t want to stay in those countries though. I’d want to get to Canada, Australia or NZ (I have family in all of them and they speak English). I wonder what others would do in that situation? You all going to live in Ireland or France I take it? Assuming they’ll let you?" so you got to France safe with yr children but you said you’d want to get to canada would you risk there lives crossing the Atlantic in a rubber boat or settle in France ? | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Most of them have a lifetime of trauma and horrible past experiences. Some with PTSD and severe mental health problems as well. You can’t expect them to get here one day and start working and contributing to the economy the next day. This is the real world and not some fairytale. Don’t be ignorant. Well it’s not ignorant is it , how do you know in your words most are in trauma and PTSD where your evidence of this??? Top asylum request are from Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey (HOMD July 2024) . Managed to cross several other countries to come to this country with severe PTSD ?? Who?? And considering it costing the tax payer £1.3 billion per year ( migrationwatchuk). That 4.300 per month for each asylum seeker. So PTSD stops travel? You’d better tell that to ex service personnel or anyone who has it in this country from whatever source that according to you PTSD inhibits travel and anyone who has it must remain here. Including any of the half million people who emigrated the UK last year Ask the question why do there travel through several safe countries to come to the UK? Why shouldn’t they? People go where they think they will be safe, many come to the UK because they speak English as a second language, others because they have relatives here. If you escaped a country where you were persecuted and didn’t know if you would ever be able to return, wouldn’t you go somewhere you could speak the language? Look at poor Tommy ten names, he’s had to flee to Cyprus to feel safe on a 5 star resort, he went through several countries to get there. He could’ve stopped in France but didn’t want to have to say ‘egg and chips, garçon’ increasingly louder and slower, just to get food." didn’t he just fly direct and was on holiday lol | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Most of them have a lifetime of trauma and horrible past experiences. Some with PTSD and severe mental health problems as well. You can’t expect them to get here one day and start working and contributing to the economy the next day. This is the real world and not some fairytale. Don’t be ignorant. Well it’s not ignorant is it , how do you know in your words most are in trauma and PTSD where your evidence of this??? Top asylum request are from Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey (HOMD July 2024) . Managed to cross several other countries to come to this country with severe PTSD ?? Who?? And considering it costing the tax payer £1.3 billion per year ( migrationwatchuk). That 4.300 per month for each asylum seeker. So PTSD stops travel? You’d better tell that to ex service personnel or anyone who has it in this country from whatever source that according to you PTSD inhibits travel and anyone who has it must remain here. Including any of the half million people who emigrated the UK last year Ask the question why do there travel through several safe countries to come to the UK? Why shouldn’t they? People go where they think they will be safe, many come to the UK because they speak English as a second language, others because they have relatives here. If you escaped a country where you were persecuted and didn’t know if you would ever be able to return, wouldn’t you go somewhere you could speak the language? Look at poor Tommy ten names, he’s had to flee to Cyprus to feel safe on a 5 star resort, he went through several countries to get there. He could’ve stopped in France but didn’t want to have to say ‘egg and chips, garçon’ increasingly louder and slower, just to get food." Yes France is not a safe country, sure it’s war torn.  | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Most of them have a lifetime of trauma and horrible past experiences. Some with PTSD and severe mental health problems as well. You can’t expect them to get here one day and start working and contributing to the economy the next day. This is the real world and not some fairytale. Don’t be ignorant. Well it’s not ignorant is it , how do you know in your words most are in trauma and PTSD where your evidence of this??? Top asylum request are from Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey (HOMD July 2024) . Managed to cross several other countries to come to this country with severe PTSD ?? Who?? And considering it costing the tax payer £1.3 billion per year ( migrationwatchuk). That 4.300 per month for each asylum seeker. So PTSD stops travel? You’d better tell that to ex service personnel or anyone who has it in this country from whatever source that according to you PTSD inhibits travel and anyone who has it must remain here. Including any of the half million people who emigrated the UK last year Ask the question why do there travel through several safe countries to come to the UK? Why shouldn’t they? People go where they think they will be safe, many come to the UK because they speak English as a second language, others because they have relatives here. If you escaped a country where you were persecuted and didn’t know if you would ever be able to return, wouldn’t you go somewhere you could speak the language? Look at poor Tommy ten names, he’s had to flee to Cyprus to feel safe on a 5 star resort, he went through several countries to get there. He could’ve stopped in France but didn’t want to have to say ‘egg and chips, garçon’ increasingly louder and slower, just to get food.didn’t he just fly direct and was on holiday lol " Apparently he went through at least two other countries before getting to Cyprus. | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Most of them have a lifetime of trauma and horrible past experiences. Some with PTSD and severe mental health problems as well. You can’t expect them to get here one day and start working and contributing to the economy the next day. This is the real world and not some fairytale. Don’t be ignorant. Well it’s not ignorant is it , how do you know in your words most are in trauma and PTSD where your evidence of this??? Top asylum request are from Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey (HOMD July 2024) . Managed to cross several other countries to come to this country with severe PTSD ?? Who?? And considering it costing the tax payer £1.3 billion per year ( migrationwatchuk). That 4.300 per month for each asylum seeker. So PTSD stops travel? You’d better tell that to ex service personnel or anyone who has it in this country from whatever source that according to you PTSD inhibits travel and anyone who has it must remain here. Including any of the half million people who emigrated the UK last year Ask the question why do there travel through several safe countries to come to the UK? Why shouldn’t they? People go where they think they will be safe, many come to the UK because they speak English as a second language, others because they have relatives here. If you escaped a country where you were persecuted and didn’t know if you would ever be able to return, wouldn’t you go somewhere you could speak the language? Look at poor Tommy ten names, he’s had to flee to Cyprus to feel safe on a 5 star resort, he went through several countries to get there. He could’ve stopped in France but didn’t want to have to say ‘egg and chips, garçon’ increasingly louder and slower, just to get food.didn’t he just fly direct and was on holiday lol Apparently he went through at least two other countries before getting to Cyprus." Through or flew ? | |||
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"The whole safe country bollocks just keeps getting trotted out doesn’t it! If the UK did descend into civil war and chaos with multiple factions fighting and anarchy ensuing, I would get my family out. Where would I go? Initially unless I can fly (asylum seekers can’t fly as airlines have a duty to establish reason for travel and you would need a work or tourist visa which you cannot get in most of the countries people are fleeing) it means Ireland or France by boat. I wouldn’t want to stay in those countries though. I’d want to get to Canada, Australia or NZ (I have family in all of them and they speak English). I wonder what others would do in that situation? You all going to live in Ireland or France I take it? Assuming they’ll let you?so you got to France safe with yr children but you said you’d want to get to canada would you risk there lives crossing the Atlantic in a rubber boat or settle in France ?" The Atlantic between France and the US is approximately 4700 miles across, the English Channel 30-40. | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Most of them have a lifetime of trauma and horrible past experiences. Some with PTSD and severe mental health problems as well. You can’t expect them to get here one day and start working and contributing to the economy the next day. This is the real world and not some fairytale. Don’t be ignorant. Well it’s not ignorant is it , how do you know in your words most are in trauma and PTSD where your evidence of this??? Top asylum request are from Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey (HOMD July 2024) . Managed to cross several other countries to come to this country with severe PTSD ?? Who?? And considering it costing the tax payer £1.3 billion per year ( migrationwatchuk). That 4.300 per month for each asylum seeker. So PTSD stops travel? You’d better tell that to ex service personnel or anyone who has it in this country from whatever source that according to you PTSD inhibits travel and anyone who has it must remain here. Including any of the half million people who emigrated the UK last year Ask the question why do there travel through several safe countries to come to the UK? Why shouldn’t they? People go where they think they will be safe, many come to the UK because they speak English as a second language, others because they have relatives here. If you escaped a country where you were persecuted and didn’t know if you would ever be able to return, wouldn’t you go somewhere you could speak the language? Look at poor Tommy ten names, he’s had to flee to Cyprus to feel safe on a 5 star resort, he went through several countries to get there. He could’ve stopped in France but didn’t want to have to say ‘egg and chips, garçon’ increasingly louder and slower, just to get food.didn’t he just fly direct and was on holiday lol Apparently he went through at least two other countries before getting to Cyprus." I don’t get it so he didn’t fly there can’t of drove and only went through two countries ? Wonder how factual this is hmmm | |||
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"The whole safe country bollocks just keeps getting trotted out doesn’t it! If the UK did descend into civil war and chaos with multiple factions fighting and anarchy ensuing, I would get my family out. Where would I go? Initially unless I can fly (asylum seekers can’t fly as airlines have a duty to establish reason for travel and you would need a work or tourist visa which you cannot get in most of the countries people are fleeing) it means Ireland or France by boat. I wouldn’t want to stay in those countries though. I’d want to get to Canada, Australia or NZ (I have family in all of them and they speak English). I wonder what others would do in that situation? You all going to live in Ireland or France I take it? Assuming they’ll let you?so you got to France safe with yr children but you said you’d want to get to canada would you risk there lives crossing the Atlantic in a rubber boat or settle in France ? The Atlantic between France and the US is approximately 4700 miles across, the English Channel 30-40." isn’t it less than 30 miles even that through the busiest waters in the world would be to much to risk my kids life but maybe not for you tho | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Most of them have a lifetime of trauma and horrible past experiences. Some with PTSD and severe mental health problems as well. You can’t expect them to get here one day and start working and contributing to the economy the next day. This is the real world and not some fairytale. Don’t be ignorant. Well it’s not ignorant is it , how do you know in your words most are in trauma and PTSD where your evidence of this??? Top asylum request are from Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey (HOMD July 2024) . Managed to cross several other countries to come to this country with severe PTSD ?? Who?? And considering it costing the tax payer £1.3 billion per year ( migrationwatchuk). That 4.300 per month for each asylum seeker. So PTSD stops travel? You’d better tell that to ex service personnel or anyone who has it in this country from whatever source that according to you PTSD inhibits travel and anyone who has it must remain here. Including any of the half million people who emigrated the UK last year Ask the question why do there travel through several safe countries to come to the UK? Why shouldn’t they? People go where they think they will be safe, many come to the UK because they speak English as a second language, others because they have relatives here. If you escaped a country where you were persecuted and didn’t know if you would ever be able to return, wouldn’t you go somewhere you could speak the language? Look at poor Tommy ten names, he’s had to flee to Cyprus to feel safe on a 5 star resort, he went through several countries to get there. He could’ve stopped in France but didn’t want to have to say ‘egg and chips, garçon’ increasingly louder and slower, just to get food.didn’t he just fly direct and was on holiday lol Apparently he went through at least two other countries before getting to Cyprus.I don’t get it so he didn’t fly there can’t of drove and only went through two countries ? Wonder how factual this is hmmm" Did Scotty beam him to Cyprus?? | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Most of them have a lifetime of trauma and horrible past experiences. Some with PTSD and severe mental health problems as well. You can’t expect them to get here one day and start working and contributing to the economy the next day. This is the real world and not some fairytale. Don’t be ignorant. Well it’s not ignorant is it , how do you know in your words most are in trauma and PTSD where your evidence of this??? Top asylum request are from Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey (HOMD July 2024) . Managed to cross several other countries to come to this country with severe PTSD ?? Who?? And considering it costing the tax payer £1.3 billion per year ( migrationwatchuk). That 4.300 per month for each asylum seeker. So PTSD stops travel? You’d better tell that to ex service personnel or anyone who has it in this country from whatever source that according to you PTSD inhibits travel and anyone who has it must remain here. Including any of the half million people who emigrated the UK last year Ask the question why do there travel through several safe countries to come to the UK? Why shouldn’t they? People go where they think they will be safe, many come to the UK because they speak English as a second language, others because they have relatives here. If you escaped a country where you were persecuted and didn’t know if you would ever be able to return, wouldn’t you go somewhere you could speak the language? Look at poor Tommy ten names, he’s had to flee to Cyprus to feel safe on a 5 star resort, he went through several countries to get there. He could’ve stopped in France but didn’t want to have to say ‘egg and chips, garçon’ increasingly louder and slower, just to get food.didn’t he just fly direct and was on holiday lol Apparently he went through at least two other countries before getting to Cyprus.I don’t get it so he didn’t fly there can’t of drove and only went through two countries ? Wonder how factual this is hmmm" Who’d said he didn’t fly? | |||
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"The whole safe country bollocks just keeps getting trotted out doesn’t it! If the UK did descend into civil war and chaos with multiple factions fighting and anarchy ensuing, I would get my family out. Where would I go? Initially unless I can fly (asylum seekers can’t fly as airlines have a duty to establish reason for travel and you would need a work or tourist visa which you cannot get in most of the countries people are fleeing) it means Ireland or France by boat. I wouldn’t want to stay in those countries though. I’d want to get to Canada, Australia or NZ (I have family in all of them and they speak English). I wonder what others would do in that situation? You all going to live in Ireland or France I take it? Assuming they’ll let you?so you got to France safe with yr children but you said you’d want to get to canada would you risk there lives crossing the Atlantic in a rubber boat or settle in France ? The Atlantic between France and the US is approximately 4700 miles across, the English Channel 30-40.isn’t it less than 30 miles even that through the busiest waters in the world would be to much to risk my kids life but maybe not for you tho " Well yes but that’s maybe because neither you nor I have escaped persecution, or a war zone in fear of our lives. Maybe it’s because we have exceptionally safe and comfortable lives in which we don’t have to make choices like that? | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Most of them have a lifetime of trauma and horrible past experiences. Some with PTSD and severe mental health problems as well. You can’t expect them to get here one day and start working and contributing to the economy the next day. This is the real world and not some fairytale. Don’t be ignorant. Well it’s not ignorant is it , how do you know in your words most are in trauma and PTSD where your evidence of this??? Top asylum request are from Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey (HOMD July 2024) . Managed to cross several other countries to come to this country with severe PTSD ?? Who?? And considering it costing the tax payer £1.3 billion per year ( migrationwatchuk). That 4.300 per month for each asylum seeker. So PTSD stops travel? You’d better tell that to ex service personnel or anyone who has it in this country from whatever source that according to you PTSD inhibits travel and anyone who has it must remain here. Including any of the half million people who emigrated the UK last year Ask the question why do there travel through several safe countries to come to the UK? Why shouldn’t they? People go where they think they will be safe, many come to the UK because they speak English as a second language, others because they have relatives here. If you escaped a country where you were persecuted and didn’t know if you would ever be able to return, wouldn’t you go somewhere you could speak the language? Look at poor Tommy ten names, he’s had to flee to Cyprus to feel safe on a 5 star resort, he went through several countries to get there. He could’ve stopped in France but didn’t want to have to say ‘egg and chips, garçon’ increasingly louder and slower, just to get food.didn’t he just fly direct and was on holiday lol Apparently he went through at least two other countries before getting to Cyprus.I don’t get it so he didn’t fly there can’t of drove and only went through two countries ? Wonder how factual this is hmmm" He flew on an Irish passport after being expelled from Canada, after giving anti-immigrant drivel. Ironic really, someone so anti-immigrant, so stqunchly anti-eu flies on an irish passport. Aren’t Ireland in the EU The truth of it is, he’s skipped bail again, missed his court date and done a runner. Last time he did this he tried to claim Asylum in spain on social media How itonic | |||
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"The whole safe country bollocks just keeps getting trotted out doesn’t it! If the UK did descend into civil war and chaos with multiple factions fighting and anarchy ensuing, I would get my family out. Where would I go? Initially unless I can fly (asylum seekers can’t fly as airlines have a duty to establish reason for travel and you would need a work or tourist visa which you cannot get in most of the countries people are fleeing) it means Ireland or France by boat. I wouldn’t want to stay in those countries though. I’d want to get to Canada, Australia or NZ (I have family in all of them and they speak English). I wonder what others would do in that situation? You all going to live in Ireland or France I take it? Assuming they’ll let you?" You wanting to go to Canada or Australia doesn't mean they must take you. English being the most widely spoken language means that would put too much pressure on English speaking countries. The EU for example has been working long for a plan to share the refugees among the countries. Should EU have the right to tell the asylum seekers where to go or should they let asylum seekers go shopping for countries? The two common reasons people point out for why they come here from France are language and having family here. I think the language reason makes sense. The family reason doesn't make sense and there is no evidence to show that's the case. But we do know that people traffickers tell these men that UK will give them star hotels to stay and money to spend. | |||
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"The whole safe country bollocks just keeps getting trotted out doesn’t it! If the UK did descend into civil war and chaos with multiple factions fighting and anarchy ensuing, I would get my family out. Where would I go? Initially unless I can fly (asylum seekers can’t fly as airlines have a duty to establish reason for travel and you would need a work or tourist visa which you cannot get in most of the countries people are fleeing) it means Ireland or France by boat. I wouldn’t want to stay in those countries though. I’d want to get to Canada, Australia or NZ (I have family in all of them and they speak English). I wonder what others would do in that situation? You all going to live in Ireland or France I take it? Assuming they’ll let you? I hope this is a thought provoking post for the anti-immigrant brigade. is it anti immigrant to want to slow down the numbers to a more manageable amount really ?" I'm guessing the well articulated thought provoking post was lost. | |||
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" The Atlantic between France and the US is approximately 4700 miles across, the English Channel 30-40.isn’t it less than 30 miles even that through the busiest waters in the world would be to much to risk my kids life but maybe not for you tho Yes so imagine what these people are fleeing from, the fear, the desperation... Often once they get that far they dint have a choice about what happens them next. Do you have any compassion at all for them or do you just see them all as looking to sponge off welfare?" I think sometimes people project their motivations onto others. | |||
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" The Atlantic between France and the US is approximately 4700 miles across, the English Channel 30-40.isn’t it less than 30 miles even that through the busiest waters in the world would be to much to risk my kids life but maybe not for you tho Yes so imagine what these people are fleeing from, the fear, the desperation... Often once they get that far they dint have a choice about what happens them next. Do you have any compassion at all for them or do you just see them all as looking to sponge off welfare?" there not fleeing anything in France nothing at all if a white lass originally from Grimsby called Tracy with a blonde pony tail tracksuit and trainers stepped of one of them bouts clutching a baby you would be wanting her arrested for neglect and her baby placed with decent foster parents so tell me the diffrence ? | |||
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"The whole safe country bollocks just keeps getting trotted out doesn’t it! If the UK did descend into civil war and chaos with multiple factions fighting and anarchy ensuing, I would get my family out. Where would I go? Initially unless I can fly (asylum seekers can’t fly as airlines have a duty to establish reason for travel and you would need a work or tourist visa which you cannot get in most of the countries people are fleeing) it means Ireland or France by boat. I wouldn’t want to stay in those countries though. I’d want to get to Canada, Australia or NZ (I have family in all of them and they speak English). I wonder what others would do in that situation? You all going to live in Ireland or France I take it? Assuming they’ll let you? You wanting to go to Canada or Australia doesn't mean they must take you. English being the most widely spoken language means that would put too much pressure on English speaking countries. The EU for example has been working long for a plan to share the refugees among the countries. Should EU have the right to tell the asylum seekers where to go or should they let asylum seekers go shopping for countries? The two common reasons people point out for why they come here from France are language and having family here. I think the language reason makes sense. The family reason doesn't make sense and there is no evidence to show that's the case. But we do know that people traffickers tell these men that UK will give them star hotels to stay and money to spend. " You say there is no evidence of familial connections. However, for some that has indeed been the case. I seem to recall a story (and thread on here) maybe last year of an Afghani who tried to get in who had family here. However, see my next post… | |||
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" The Atlantic between France and the US is approximately 4700 miles across, the English Channel 30-40.isn’t it less than 30 miles even that through the busiest waters in the world would be to much to risk my kids life but maybe not for you tho Yes so imagine what these people are fleeing from, the fear, the desperation... Often once they get that far they dint have a choice about what happens them next. Do you have any compassion at all for them or do you just see them all as looking to sponge off welfare?there not fleeing anything in France nothing at all if a white lass originally from Grimsby called Tracy with a blonde pony tail tracksuit and trainers stepped of one of them bouts clutching a baby you would be wanting her arrested for neglect and her baby placed with decent foster parents so tell me the diffrence ? France isn't the starting point for these people. as anyone ever said it was do you want to answer the question above ?"You said "there (sic) not fleeing anything in France nothing at all". I'm pointing out that France is not the country they're fleeing. And you have made an error in assuming it was. I don't understand your hypothetical question about a somebody from Grimsby with blonde hair and a tracksuit, so can't attempt to answer. | |||
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" The Atlantic between France and the US is approximately 4700 miles across, the English Channel 30-40.isn’t it less than 30 miles even that through the busiest waters in the world would be to much to risk my kids life but maybe not for you tho Yes so imagine what these people are fleeing from, the fear, the desperation... Often once they get that far they dint have a choice about what happens them next. Do you have any compassion at all for them or do you just see them all as looking to sponge off welfare?there not fleeing anything in France nothing at all if a white lass originally from Grimsby called Tracy with a blonde pony tail tracksuit and trainers stepped of one of them bouts clutching a baby you would be wanting her arrested for neglect and her baby placed with decent foster parents so tell me the diffrence ? France isn't the starting point for these people. as anyone ever said it was do you want to answer the question above ?"I would want Tracy to be looked after, I would want her children to stay with their mother, I would want some compassion for what is happening to Stacy. | |||
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" The Atlantic between France and the US is approximately 4700 miles across, the English Channel 30-40.isn’t it less than 30 miles even that through the busiest waters in the world would be to much to risk my kids life but maybe not for you tho Yes so imagine what these people are fleeing from, the fear, the desperation... Often once they get that far they dint have a choice about what happens them next. Do you have any compassion at all for them or do you just see them all as looking to sponge off welfare?there not fleeing anything in France nothing at all if a white lass originally from Grimsby called Tracy with a blonde pony tail tracksuit and trainers stepped of one of them bouts clutching a baby you would be wanting her arrested for neglect and her baby placed with decent foster parents so tell me the diffrence ? France isn't the starting point for these people. as anyone ever said it was do you want to answer the question above ?
You said "there (sic) not fleeing anything in France nothing at all".
I'm pointing out that France is not the country they're fleeing. And you have made an error in assuming it was.
I don't understand your hypothetical question about a somebody from Grimsby with blonde hair and a tracksuit, so can't attempt to answer."you do but you don’t want to answer mate there not fleeing from France there leaving France it was the same when I asked would anyone on here risk there kids lives they can’t answer without looking foolish in my eyes a brown baby’s life is as important as a white babys life so anyone risking a kids life should be charged with a crime and have the kid taken off them and placed into a foster home | |||
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" The Atlantic between France and the US is approximately 4700 miles across, the English Channel 30-40.isn’t it less than 30 miles even that through the busiest waters in the world would be to much to risk my kids life but maybe not for you tho Yes so imagine what these people are fleeing from, the fear, the desperation... Often once they get that far they dint have a choice about what happens them next. Do you have any compassion at all for them or do you just see them all as looking to sponge off welfare?there not fleeing anything in France nothing at all if a white lass originally from Grimsby called Tracy with a blonde pony tail tracksuit and trainers stepped of one of them bouts clutching a baby you would be wanting her arrested for neglect and her baby placed with decent foster parents so tell me the diffrence ? France isn't the starting point for these people. as anyone ever said it was do you want to answer the question above ?
You said "there (sic) not fleeing anything in France nothing at all".
I'm pointing out that France is not the country they're fleeing. And you have made an error in assuming it was.
I don't understand your hypothetical question about a somebody from Grimsby with blonde hair and a tracksuit, so can't attempt to answer.you do but you don’t want to answer mate
"Okay. So you think I can decipher your hypothetical question, but for some reason I don't want to? " there not fleeing from France there leaving France " Excellent, we got there. " it was the same when I asked would anyone on here risk there kids lives they can’t answer without looking foolish " People are desperate. Doesn't mean it's right, but they're trying to get their family somewhere to start a new life. " in my eyes a brown baby’s life is as important as a white babys life so anyone risking a kids life should be charged with a crime and have the kid taken off them and placed into a foster home " Not sure what to make of this. Every time you leave the house you increase your risk of injury. | |||
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" The Atlantic between France and the US is approximately 4700 miles across, the English Channel 30-40.isn’t it less than 30 miles even that through the busiest waters in the world would be to much to risk my kids life but maybe not for you tho Yes so imagine what these people are fleeing from, the fear, the desperation... Often once they get that far they dint have a choice about what happens them next. Do you have any compassion at all for them or do you just see them all as looking to sponge off welfare?there not fleeing anything in France nothing at all if a white lass originally from Grimsby called Tracy with a blonde pony tail tracksuit and trainers stepped of one of them bouts clutching a baby you would be wanting her arrested for neglect and her baby placed with decent foster parents so tell me the diffrence ? France isn't the starting point for these people. as anyone ever said it was do you want to answer the question above ?
You said "there (sic) not fleeing anything in France nothing at all".
I'm pointing out that France is not the country they're fleeing. And you have made an error in assuming it was.
I don't understand your hypothetical question about a somebody from Grimsby with blonde hair and a tracksuit, so can't attempt to answer.you do but you don’t want to answer mate
Okay. So you think I can decipher your hypothetical question, but for some reason I don't want to?
there not fleeing from France there leaving France
Excellent, we got there.
it was the same when I asked would anyone on here risk there kids lives they can’t answer without looking foolish
People are desperate. Doesn't mean it's right, but they're trying to get their family somewhere to start a new life.
in my eyes a brown baby’s life is as important as a white babys life so anyone risking a kids life should be charged with a crime and have the kid taken off them and placed into a foster home
Not sure what to make of this. Every time you leave the house you increase your risk of injury. "there you go again with the insults lol trying to get there family somewhere to start a new life even tho some risk there most precious family there child’s life to leave a safe place | |||
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" The Atlantic between France and the US is approximately 4700 miles across, the English Channel 30-40.isn’t it less than 30 miles even that through the busiest waters in the world would be to much to risk my kids life but maybe not for you tho Yes so imagine what these people are fleeing from, the fear, the desperation... Often once they get that far they dint have a choice about what happens them next. Do you have any compassion at all for them or do you just see them all as looking to sponge off welfare?there not fleeing anything in France nothing at all if a white lass originally from Grimsby called Tracy with a blonde pony tail tracksuit and trainers stepped of one of them bouts clutching a baby you would be wanting her arrested for neglect and her baby placed with decent foster parents so tell me the diffrence ? France isn't the starting point for these people. as anyone ever said it was do you want to answer the question above ?
You said "there (sic) not fleeing anything in France nothing at all".
I'm pointing out that France is not the country they're fleeing. And you have made an error in assuming it was.
I don't understand your hypothetical question about a somebody from Grimsby with blonde hair and a tracksuit, so can't attempt to answer.you do but you don’t want to answer mate
Okay. So you think I can decipher your hypothetical question, but for some reason I don't want to?
there not fleeing from France there leaving France
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it was the same when I asked would anyone on here risk there kids lives they can’t answer without looking foolish
People are desperate. Doesn't mean it's right, but they're trying to get their family somewhere to start a new life.
in my eyes a brown baby’s life is as important as a white babys life so anyone risking a kids life should be charged with a crime and have the kid taken off them and placed into a foster home
Not sure what to make of this. Every time you leave the house you increase your risk of injury. there you go again with the insults lol trying to get there family somewhere to start a new life even tho some risk there most precious family there child’s life to leave a safe place "What insult, what are you talking about? | |||
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"This is how I see things: 1. Some people in the UK are concerned about too many immigrants coming into the UK. 2. There are some legitimate concerns around numbers and state of our public services. 3. Sadly there are also unsavoury reasons some people do not want immigrants. 4. Annoyingly too many people are conflating legal immigrants with asylum seekers and seeing this as a singular issue. It isn’t. 5. Barring the UK ignoring international law and conventions (that incidentally the UK led the development and acceptance of) and likely becoming a pariah state, then there is nothing illegal about a person who gets into the UK (via whatever route) claiming asylum. They are not illegal immigrants (unless they do not claim asylum). 6. Not all asylum seekers are genuine. Some are almost certainly economic migrants. 7. Regardless though, as a civilised country I think all asylum seekers should be treated humanely. 8. We need to build processing centres/camps (which will in fact bring local economic benefits) and increase immigration staff levels to better process applications and in a controlled environment. Stop housing asylum seekers in hotels at cost to taxpayer. 9. We should not provide benefits to anyone emigrating into the UK (legal or asylum seekers) for at least 2-5 years (until they have paid into the system). 10. We should continue with a points based system for work visas. We need your skills then you are welcome. If not sorry try in future. 11. Get tougher on study visas. No more dependents. Come here to study then go home or apply for work visa. 12. We need to provide safe channels/routes (via our embassies and consulates) to apply for asylum. Remove the criminal gangs reason for existence. 13. We need to recognise and accept that the UK’s interference in other countries is one of the drivers for war and unrest leading to people wanting to escape. Like it or not we do therefore have a moral duty to find solutions. Sure there is more bur that’ll do for now.great post agree with most of that mate " Which do you disagree with? | |||
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"This is how I see things: 1. Some people in the UK are concerned about too many immigrants coming into the UK. 2. There are some legitimate concerns around numbers and state of our public services. 3. Sadly there are also unsavoury reasons some people do not want immigrants. 4. Annoyingly too many people are conflating legal immigrants with asylum seekers and seeing this as a singular issue. It isn’t. 5. Barring the UK ignoring international law and conventions (that incidentally the UK led the development and acceptance of) and likely becoming a pariah state, then there is nothing illegal about a person who gets into the UK (via whatever route) claiming asylum. They are not illegal immigrants (unless they do not claim asylum). 6. Not all asylum seekers are genuine. Some are almost certainly economic migrants. 7. Regardless though, as a civilised country I think all asylum seekers should be treated humanely. 8. We need to build processing centres/camps (which will in fact bring local economic benefits) and increase immigration staff levels to better process applications and in a controlled environment. Stop housing asylum seekers in hotels at cost to taxpayer. 9. We should not provide benefits to anyone emigrating into the UK (legal or asylum seekers) for at least 2-5 years (until they have paid into the system). 10. We should continue with a points based system for work visas. We need your skills then you are welcome. If not sorry try in future. 11. Get tougher on study visas. No more dependents. Come here to study then go home or apply for work visa. 12. We need to provide safe channels/routes (via our embassies and consulates) to apply for asylum. Remove the criminal gangs reason for existence. 13. We need to recognise and accept that the UK’s interference in other countries is one of the drivers for war and unrest leading to people wanting to escape. Like it or not we do therefore have a moral duty to find solutions. Sure there is more bur that’ll do for now.great post agree with most of that mate Which do you disagree with?" nothing illegal via whichever rout part I think anyone crossing in them boats should be classed as illegal surely there committing a crime by illegal entry in my book | |||
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" 5. Barring the UK ignoring international law and conventions (that incidentally the UK led the development and acceptance of) and likely becoming a pariah state, then there is nothing illegal about a person who gets into the UK (via whatever route) claiming asylum. They are not illegal immigrants (unless they do not claim asylum). " The root cause of the problem is that the refugee conventions are the most idiotic political agreements ever written with too many loopholes. As things stand, we have an open border. Anyone who comes into the border and claims asylum cannot be charged or sent back. Deportation is hard to certain countries normally. It's even harder when these men throw away their documents. " 8. We need to build processing centres/camps (which will in fact bring local economic benefits) and increase immigration staff levels to better process applications and in a controlled environment. Stop housing asylum seekers in hotels at cost to taxpayer. " Even if you process them, you can't send them back. So processing claims quickly isn't going to help either. " 12. We need to provide safe channels/routes (via our embassies and consulates) to apply for asylum. Remove the criminal gangs reason for existence. " Only if we have the ability to set limits on number of asylum seekers. The country doesn't have infinite resources to take everyone. If India has a civil war tomorrow, should UK take the Indian population? Hell even entire Europe wouldn't be able to handle that. | |||
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"This is how I see things: 1. Some people in the UK are concerned about too many immigrants coming into the UK. 2. There are some legitimate concerns around numbers and state of our public services. 3. Sadly there are also unsavoury reasons some people do not want immigrants. 4. Annoyingly too many people are conflating legal immigrants with asylum seekers and seeing this as a singular issue. It isn’t. 5. Barring the UK ignoring international law and conventions (that incidentally the UK led the development and acceptance of) and likely becoming a pariah state, then there is nothing illegal about a person who gets into the UK (via whatever route) claiming asylum. They are not illegal immigrants (unless they do not claim asylum). 6. Not all asylum seekers are genuine. Some are almost certainly economic migrants. 7. Regardless though, as a civilised country I think all asylum seekers should be treated humanely. 8. We need to build processing centres/camps (which will in fact bring local economic benefits) and increase immigration staff levels to better process applications and in a controlled environment. Stop housing asylum seekers in hotels at cost to taxpayer. 9. We should not provide benefits to anyone emigrating into the UK (legal or asylum seekers) for at least 2-5 years (until they have paid into the system). 10. We should continue with a points based system for work visas. We need your skills then you are welcome. If not sorry try in future. 11. Get tougher on study visas. No more dependents. Come here to study then go home or apply for work visa. 12. We need to provide safe channels/routes (via our embassies and consulates) to apply for asylum. Remove the criminal gangs reason for existence. 13. We need to recognise and accept that the UK’s interference in other countries is one of the drivers for war and unrest leading to people wanting to escape. Like it or not we do therefore have a moral duty to find solutions. Sure there is more bur that’ll do for now." Good post, would add that the issue should be looked at in depth independently of government if possibly a royal commission because all that's happened the last forty years (like the NHS) is it's become a political football and weaponised .. Globally there will be more displaced people through war, climate change/famine as areas of the planet are being changed so until we have a cohesive immigration system that works and adheres to the long held international agreements and treaties we helped to write this will just be cyclical and worsen.. | |||
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"nothing illegal via whichever rout part I think anyone crossing in them boats should be classed as illegal surely there committing a crime by illegal entry in my book " Being an asylum seeker is not illegal | |||
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"nothing illegal via whichever rout part I think anyone crossing in them boats should be classed as illegal surely there committing a crime by illegal entry in my book Being an asylum seeker is not illegal" no but entering a country illegally should be simply illegal and a crime | |||
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"nothing illegal via whichever rout part I think anyone crossing in them boats should be classed as illegal surely there committing a crime by illegal entry in my book Being an asylum seeker is not illegalno but entering a country illegally should be simply illegal and a crime " International law, and conventions, protect asylum seekers thus it is not illegal to claim asylum regardless of how you enter a country. | |||
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"The uk has always had traditionally high immigration figures from after the war to predominantly do jobs that others would not do. That has carried on decade by decade and huge amounts add to the uk economy I used to live in an area where fruit picking was huge, it was all Eastern European workers or predominantly from there as they actually wanted to earn an income It is pure ignorance to think that we are not dependant on immigration to help do jobs that many won’t here " The UK never had the mind numbing levels we have now. Nobody believes immigration is bad, it's the sheer scale now, which dwarfs the windrush years, that's the problem. Rather than parrot what other people say why not take a little time to look into their claims? | |||
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"nothing illegal via whichever rout part I think anyone crossing in them boats should be classed as illegal surely there committing a crime by illegal entry in my book Being an asylum seeker is not illegalno but entering a country illegally should be simply illegal and a crime International law, and conventions, protect asylum seekers thus it is not illegal to claim asylum regardless of how you enter a country." Yep. And as I said, unless the UK wants to withdraw from the treaties and conventions that we helped to write and steer, and become a pariah state in the process, then we have to work within existing frameworks. | |||
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"nothing illegal via whichever rout part I think anyone crossing in them boats should be classed as illegal surely there committing a crime by illegal entry in my book Being an asylum seeker is not illegalno but entering a country illegally should be simply illegal and a crime International law, and conventions, protect asylum seekers thus it is not illegal to claim asylum regardless of how you enter a country. Yep. And as I said, unless the UK wants to withdraw from the treaties and conventions that we helped to write and steer, and become a pariah state in the process, then we have to work within existing frameworks." i don’t go with this pariah state issue ppl always talk about our standing in the world we have to do what’s right for the country I’m not concerned what an Albanian shop keeper thinks of us tbh | |||
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"nothing illegal via whichever rout part I think anyone crossing in them boats should be classed as illegal surely there committing a crime by illegal entry in my book Being an asylum seeker is not illegalno but entering a country illegally should be simply illegal and a crime International law, and conventions, protect asylum seekers thus it is not illegal to claim asylum regardless of how you enter a country. Yep. And as I said, unless the UK wants to withdraw from the treaties and conventions that we helped to write and steer, and become a pariah state in the process, then we have to work within existing frameworks.i don’t go with this pariah state issue ppl always talk about our standing in the world we have to do what’s right for the country I’m not concerned what an Albanian shop keeper thinks of us tbh " To paraphrase The Rock, ‘it doesn’t matter what you’re not concerned about.’ We aren’t going to leave the ECHR, we are not going to withdraw from the 1951 Refugee Convention or its 1967 protocol. So as Birdn says, we have to work within its structures. | |||
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"nothing illegal via whichever rout part I think anyone crossing in them boats should be classed as illegal surely there committing a crime by illegal entry in my book Being an asylum seeker is not illegalno but entering a country illegally should be simply illegal and a crime International law, and conventions, protect asylum seekers thus it is not illegal to claim asylum regardless of how you enter a country. Yep. And as I said, unless the UK wants to withdraw from the treaties and conventions that we helped to write and steer, and become a pariah state in the process, then we have to work within existing frameworks.i don’t go with this pariah state issue ppl always talk about our standing in the world we have to do what’s right for the country I’m not concerned what an Albanian shop keeper thinks of us tbh " Why are you mentioning Albanian shopkeepers? | |||
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"nothing illegal via whichever rout part I think anyone crossing in them boats should be classed as illegal surely there committing a crime by illegal entry in my book Being an asylum seeker is not illegalno but entering a country illegally should be simply illegal and a crime International law, and conventions, protect asylum seekers thus it is not illegal to claim asylum regardless of how you enter a country. Yep. And as I said, unless the UK wants to withdraw from the treaties and conventions that we helped to write and steer, and become a pariah state in the process, then we have to work within existing frameworks.i don’t go with this pariah state issue ppl always talk about our standing in the world we have to do what’s right for the country I’m not concerned what an Albanian shop keeper thinks of us tbh To paraphrase The Rock, ‘it doesn’t matter what you’re not concerned about.’ We aren’t going to leave the ECHR, we are not going to withdraw from the 1951 Refugee Convention or its 1967 protocol. So as Birdn says, we have to work within its structures." Ideally all European countries should work together to rewrite these conventions. Anyone can see that it's loopholes are being exploited. Turning blind to these issues and holding on to the conventions tightly is akin to religious people holding on to their religious books even though it doesn't make sense anymore. We know that the path we are following will lead to serious social instability and would actually work against immigrants in the long term. And yet the politicians want to blindly follow it because they do not want to touch these conventions because that's heresy apparently. | |||
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" 5. Barring the UK ignoring international law and conventions (that incidentally the UK led the development and acceptance of) and likely becoming a pariah state, then there is nothing illegal about a person who gets into the UK (via whatever route) claiming asylum. They are not illegal immigrants (unless they do not claim asylum). The root cause of the problem is that the refugee conventions are the most idiotic political agreements ever written with too many loopholes. As things stand, we have an open border. Anyone who comes into the border and claims asylum cannot be charged or sent back. Deportation is hard to certain countries normally. It's even harder when these men throw away their documents. 8. We need to build processing centres/camps (which will in fact bring local economic benefits) and increase immigration staff levels to better process applications and in a controlled environment. Stop housing asylum seekers in hotels at cost to taxpayer. Even if you process them, you can't send them back. So processing claims quickly isn't going to help either. 12. We need to provide safe channels/routes (via our embassies and consulates) to apply for asylum. Remove the criminal gangs reason for existence. Only if we have the ability to set limits on number of asylum seekers. The country doesn't have infinite resources to take everyone. If India has a civil war tomorrow, should UK take the Indian population? Hell even entire Europe wouldn't be able to handle that. " In practice, how do you suggest limiting the number of asylum seekers? There is no such limit in law. | |||
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" 5. Barring the UK ignoring international law and conventions (that incidentally the UK led the development and acceptance of) and likely becoming a pariah state, then there is nothing illegal about a person who gets into the UK (via whatever route) claiming asylum. They are not illegal immigrants (unless they do not claim asylum). The root cause of the problem is that the refugee conventions are the most idiotic political agreements ever written with too many loopholes. As things stand, we have an open border. Anyone who comes into the border and claims asylum cannot be charged or sent back. Deportation is hard to certain countries normally. It's even harder when these men throw away their documents. 8. We need to build processing centres/camps (which will in fact bring local economic benefits) and increase immigration staff levels to better process applications and in a controlled environment. Stop housing asylum seekers in hotels at cost to taxpayer. Even if you process them, you can't send them back. So processing claims quickly isn't going to help either. 12. We need to provide safe channels/routes (via our embassies and consulates) to apply for asylum. Remove the criminal gangs reason for existence. Only if we have the ability to set limits on number of asylum seekers. The country doesn't have infinite resources to take everyone. If India has a civil war tomorrow, should UK take the Indian population? Hell even entire Europe wouldn't be able to handle that. In practice, how do you suggest limiting the number of asylum seekers? There is no such limit in law. " Change the law. Such laws should always have limits. No country has infinite capacity to handle all people who show up in the borders. | |||
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"In a new town coming your way soon, not far from the forest of wind turbines. From GBNews? No, from the inestimable Messrs Miliband and Rayner who are both Socialist types. Had a quick look, can't see either of these people suggesting new towns coming, nor forests of wind turbines, not indeed anything about workers owning the means of production. Maybe you can link me or direct me how to find it?" Try Google, it's a cracker! | |||
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" Change the law. Such laws should always have limits. No country has infinite capacity to handle all people who show up in the borders." I think the people of Iran, Turkey, Germany, Pakistan and Uganda would agree with you. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263423/major-refugee-hosting-countries-worldwide/ | |||
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" Change the law. Such laws should always have limits. No country has infinite capacity to handle all people who show up in the borders. I think the people of Iran, Turkey, Germany, Pakistan and Uganda would agree with you. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263423/major-refugee-hosting-countries-worldwide/ " Glad that they agree
In case you haven't noticed, AfD has made massive gains in Germany. If UK and Germany has to take same number of refugees as Pakistan and Turkey, it would result in reduction of standard of living of people here, not to mention social issues due to cultural conflicts. Are you fine with that? | |||
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" Change the law. Such laws should always have limits. No country has infinite capacity to handle all people who show up in the borders. I think the people of Iran, Turkey, Germany, Pakistan and Uganda would agree with you. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263423/major-refugee-hosting-countries-worldwide/ Glad that they agree
In case you haven't noticed, AfD has made massive gains in Germany. If UK and Germany has to take same number of refugees as Pakistan and Turkey, it would result in reduction of standard of living of people here, not to mention social issues due to cultural conflicts. Are you fine with that? "The irony is lost. If you opened the link, you would see the UK is around number 20. How can we complain when we’re at number 20, yet less affluent nations seem to take the lions share of asylum seekers/refugees and still not complain? I feel like the tag #firstworldproblems might retrend no? | |||
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"Illegal offence to enter country by boat so arrest them and imprison them then deport - will send a real message to those trying to cross. Before anyone says no its exactly part of strategy Poland has been doing and their rates went down to virtually zero " International law, and the conventions we have signed up to means it’s not illegal to claim asylum however you enter the country. | |||
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" Change the law. Such laws should always have limits. No country has infinite capacity to handle all people who show up in the borders. I think the people of Iran, Turkey, Germany, Pakistan and Uganda would agree with you. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263423/major-refugee-hosting-countries-worldwide/ Glad that they agree
In case you haven't noticed, AfD has made massive gains in Germany. If UK and Germany has to take same number of refugees as Pakistan and Turkey, it would result in reduction of standard of living of people here, not to mention social issues due to cultural conflicts. Are you fine with that?
The irony is lost.
If you opened the link, you would see the UK is around number 20. How can we complain when we’re at number 20, yet less affluent nations seem to take the lions share of asylum seekers/refugees and still not complain? I feel like the tag #firstworldproblems might retrend no?"I opened the link and I know that less affluent countries took more people. Unlike those countries, we have a social welfare system. We also have a housing crisis going on. If you take as many asylum seekers in to the country, we will end up having to reduce the social welfare and housing situation will get even worse. Are you willing to make the sacrifice? Also, the less affluent countries you are talking about are majority Islamic countries. They don't have any issues taking lots of Muslims. We can't do the same, for the same reason they won't take Gay refugees. | |||
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" Change the law. Such laws should always have limits. No country has infinite capacity to handle all people who show up in the borders. I think the people of Iran, Turkey, Germany, Pakistan and Uganda would agree with you. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263423/major-refugee-hosting-countries-worldwide/ Glad that they agree
In case you haven't noticed, AfD has made massive gains in Germany. If UK and Germany has to take same number of refugees as Pakistan and Turkey, it would result in reduction of standard of living of people here, not to mention social issues due to cultural conflicts. Are you fine with that?
The irony is lost.
If you opened the link, you would see the UK is around number 20. How can we complain when we’re at number 20, yet less affluent nations seem to take the lions share of asylum seekers/refugees and still not complain? I feel like the tag #firstworldproblems might retrend no?
I opened the link and I know that less affluent countries took more people. Unlike those countries, we have a social welfare system. We also have a housing crisis going on. If you take as many asylum seekers in to the country, we will end up having to reduce the social welfare and housing situation will get even worse. Are you willing to make the sacrifice?
Also, the less affluent countries you are talking about are majority Islamic countries. They don't have any issues taking lots of Muslims. We can't do the same, for the same reason they won't take Gay refugees."A refugee is a refugee, and as we keep being told this is a Christian country, what would Jesus have done? | |||
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"Illegal offence to enter country by boat so arrest them and imprison them then deport - will send a real message to those trying to cross. Before anyone says no its exactly part of strategy Poland has been doing and their rates went down to virtually zero " It is not illegal to come here to claim asylum. | |||
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" Change the law. Such laws should always have limits. No country has infinite capacity to handle all people who show up in the borders. I think the people of Iran, Turkey, Germany, Pakistan and Uganda would agree with you. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263423/major-refugee-hosting-countries-worldwide/ Glad that they agree
In case you haven't noticed, AfD has made massive gains in Germany. If UK and Germany has to take same number of refugees as Pakistan and Turkey, it would result in reduction of standard of living of people here, not to mention social issues due to cultural conflicts. Are you fine with that?
The irony is lost.
If you opened the link, you would see the UK is around number 20. How can we complain when we’re at number 20, yet less affluent nations seem to take the lions share of asylum seekers/refugees and still not complain? I feel like the tag #firstworldproblems might retrend no?
I opened the link and I know that less affluent countries took more people. Unlike those countries, we have a social welfare system. We also have a housing crisis going on. If you take as many asylum seekers in to the country, we will end up having to reduce the social welfare and housing situation will get even worse. Are you willing to make the sacrifice?
Also, the less affluent countries you are talking about are majority Islamic countries. They don't have any issues taking lots of Muslims. We can't do the same, for the same reason they won't take Gay refugees."Housing crisis, and lots of young men looking for work. Please miss, please miss, i have an idea! | |||
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" Change the law. Such laws should always have limits. No country has infinite capacity to handle all people who show up in the borders. I think the people of Iran, Turkey, Germany, Pakistan and Uganda would agree with you. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263423/major-refugee-hosting-countries-worldwide/ Glad that they agree
In case you haven't noticed, AfD has made massive gains in Germany. If UK and Germany has to take same number of refugees as Pakistan and Turkey, it would result in reduction of standard of living of people here, not to mention social issues due to cultural conflicts. Are you fine with that?
The irony is lost.
If you opened the link, you would see the UK is around number 20. How can we complain when we’re at number 20, yet less affluent nations seem to take the lions share of asylum seekers/refugees and still not complain? I feel like the tag #firstworldproblems might retrend no?
I opened the link and I know that less affluent countries took more people. Unlike those countries, we have a social welfare system. We also have a housing crisis going on. If you take as many asylum seekers in to the country, we will end up having to reduce the social welfare and housing situation will get even worse. Are you willing to make the sacrifice?
Also, the less affluent countries you are talking about are majority Islamic countries. They don't have any issues taking lots of Muslims. We can't do the same, for the same reason they won't take Gay refugees.
A refugee is a refugee, and as we keep being told this is a Christian country, what would Jesus have done?"unlike Jesus starmer can’t perform miracles and by the way we do more than most country’s for the poor overseas isn’t that Christian maybe other countries of diffrent religions could be criticised asmuch as the U.K. | |||
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" Change the law. Such laws should always have limits. No country has infinite capacity to handle all people who show up in the borders. I think the people of Iran, Turkey, Germany, Pakistan and Uganda would agree with you. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263423/major-refugee-hosting-countries-worldwide/ Glad that they agree
In case you haven't noticed, AfD has made massive gains in Germany. If UK and Germany has to take same number of refugees as Pakistan and Turkey, it would result in reduction of standard of living of people here, not to mention social issues due to cultural conflicts. Are you fine with that?
The irony is lost.
If you opened the link, you would see the UK is around number 20. How can we complain when we’re at number 20, yet less affluent nations seem to take the lions share of asylum seekers/refugees and still not complain? I feel like the tag #firstworldproblems might retrend no?
I opened the link and I know that less affluent countries took more people. Unlike those countries, we have a social welfare system. We also have a housing crisis going on. If you take as many asylum seekers in to the country, we will end up having to reduce the social welfare and housing situation will get even worse. Are you willing to make the sacrifice?
Also, the less affluent countries you are talking about are majority Islamic countries. They don't have any issues taking lots of Muslims. We can't do the same, for the same reason they won't take Gay refugees.
A refugee is a refugee, and as we keep being told this is a Christian country, what would Jesus have done?"Are you religious? I didn't know that. | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain?" pretty sure we haven't had a mass exodus of people going to other country's illegally,if your talking about legal migration either way the figures are out there | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? Makes me wonder what atrocities they are escaping from
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" Change the law. Such laws should always have limits. No country has infinite capacity to handle all people who show up in the borders. I think the people of Iran, Turkey, Germany, Pakistan and Uganda would agree with you. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263423/major-refugee-hosting-countries-worldwide/ Glad that they agree
In case you haven't noticed, AfD has made massive gains in Germany. If UK and Germany has to take same number of refugees as Pakistan and Turkey, it would result in reduction of standard of living of people here, not to mention social issues due to cultural conflicts. Are you fine with that?
The irony is lost.
If you opened the link, you would see the UK is around number 20. How can we complain when we’re at number 20, yet less affluent nations seem to take the lions share of asylum seekers/refugees and still not complain? I feel like the tag #firstworldproblems might retrend no?
I opened the link and I know that less affluent countries took more people. Unlike those countries, we have a social welfare system. We also have a housing crisis going on. If you take as many asylum seekers in to the country, we will end up having to reduce the social welfare and housing situation will get even worse. Are you willing to make the sacrifice?
Also, the less affluent countries you are talking about are majority Islamic countries. They don't have any issues taking lots of Muslims. We can't do the same, for the same reason they won't take Gay refugees.
Housing crisis, and lots of young men looking for work. Please miss, please miss, i have an idea! "Young men looking for work?
More like young men looking for free handouts. The employment rate of people who have been given refugee status and hence have the right to work is around 52%. And the ones who work do for much less hours and earn much less than the national average. So they are a net negative to the economy.
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" Change the law. Such laws should always have limits. No country has infinite capacity to handle all people who show up in the borders. I think the people of Iran, Turkey, Germany, Pakistan and Uganda would agree with you. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263423/major-refugee-hosting-countries-worldwide/ Glad that they agree
In case you haven't noticed, AfD has made massive gains in Germany. If UK and Germany has to take same number of refugees as Pakistan and Turkey, it would result in reduction of standard of living of people here, not to mention social issues due to cultural conflicts. Are you fine with that?
The irony is lost.
If you opened the link, you would see the UK is around number 20. How can we complain when we’re at number 20, yet less affluent nations seem to take the lions share of asylum seekers/refugees and still not complain? I feel like the tag #firstworldproblems might retrend no?
I opened the link and I know that less affluent countries took more people. Unlike those countries, we have a social welfare system. We also have a housing crisis going on. If you take as many asylum seekers in to the country, we will end up having to reduce the social welfare and housing situation will get even worse. Are you willing to make the sacrifice?
Also, the less affluent countries you are talking about are majority Islamic countries. They don't have any issues taking lots of Muslims. We can't do the same, for the same reason they won't take Gay refugees.
A refugee is a refugee, and as we keep being told this is a Christian country, what would Jesus have done?unlike Jesus starmer can’t perform miracles and by the way we do more than most country’s for the poor overseas isn’t that Christian maybe other countries of diffrent religions could be criticised asmuch as the U.K. "Do you mean our contributions to wars and displacement of people from their home countries? Not sure how that's related to Christianity. | |||
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" Change the law. Such laws should always have limits. No country has infinite capacity to handle all people who show up in the borders. I think the people of Iran, Turkey, Germany, Pakistan and Uganda would agree with you. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263423/major-refugee-hosting-countries-worldwide/ Glad that they agree
In case you haven't noticed, AfD has made massive gains in Germany. If UK and Germany has to take same number of refugees as Pakistan and Turkey, it would result in reduction of standard of living of people here, not to mention social issues due to cultural conflicts. Are you fine with that?
The irony is lost.
If you opened the link, you would see the UK is around number 20. How can we complain when we’re at number 20, yet less affluent nations seem to take the lions share of asylum seekers/refugees and still not complain? I feel like the tag #firstworldproblems might retrend no?
I opened the link and I know that less affluent countries took more people. Unlike those countries, we have a social welfare system. We also have a housing crisis going on. If you take as many asylum seekers in to the country, we will end up having to reduce the social welfare and housing situation will get even worse. Are you willing to make the sacrifice?
Also, the less affluent countries you are talking about are majority Islamic countries. They don't have any issues taking lots of Muslims. We can't do the same, for the same reason they won't take Gay refugees.
Housing crisis, and lots of young men looking for work. Please miss, please miss, i have an idea!
Young men looking for work?
More like young men looking for free handouts. The employment rate of people who have been given refugee status and hence have the right to work is around 52%. And the ones who work do for much less hours and earn much less than the national average. So they are a net negative to the economy.
As for housing, are you ok with building houses in the green belt? Or you willing to pay money out of your own pockets to build housing?"Train them up, help them get proper jobs, building, solves multiple problems. | |||
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" Change the law. Such laws should always have limits. No country has infinite capacity to handle all people who show up in the borders. I think the people of Iran, Turkey, Germany, Pakistan and Uganda would agree with you. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263423/major-refugee-hosting-countries-worldwide/ Glad that they agree
In case you haven't noticed, AfD has made massive gains in Germany. If UK and Germany has to take same number of refugees as Pakistan and Turkey, it would result in reduction of standard of living of people here, not to mention social issues due to cultural conflicts. Are you fine with that?
The irony is lost.
If you opened the link, you would see the UK is around number 20. How can we complain when we’re at number 20, yet less affluent nations seem to take the lions share of asylum seekers/refugees and still not complain? I feel like the tag #firstworldproblems might retrend no?
I opened the link and I know that less affluent countries took more people. Unlike those countries, we have a social welfare system. We also have a housing crisis going on. If you take as many asylum seekers in to the country, we will end up having to reduce the social welfare and housing situation will get even worse. Are you willing to make the sacrifice?
Also, the less affluent countries you are talking about are majority Islamic countries. They don't have any issues taking lots of Muslims. We can't do the same, for the same reason they won't take Gay refugees.
A refugee is a refugee, and as we keep being told this is a Christian country, what would Jesus have done?unlike Jesus starmer can’t perform miracles and by the way we do more than most country’s for the poor overseas isn’t that Christian maybe other countries of diffrent religions could be criticised asmuch as the U.K.
Do you mean our contributions to wars and displacement of people from their home countries? Not sure how that's related to Christianity. "every religion and country as taken part in wars look at the Middle East it’s never been peaceful I mean our overseas budget about 14 billion a year mate | |||
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" More like young men looking for free handouts. The employment rate of people who have been given refugee status and hence have the right to work is around 52%. And the ones who work do for much less hours and earn much less than the national average. So they are a net negative to the economy. As for housing, are you ok with building houses in the green belt? Or you willing to pay money out of your own pockets to build housing?" Please quote the source for your data | |||
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" Change the law. Such laws should always have limits. No country has infinite capacity to handle all people who show up in the borders. I think the people of Iran, Turkey, Germany, Pakistan and Uganda would agree with you. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263423/major-refugee-hosting-countries-worldwide/ Glad that they agree
In case you haven't noticed, AfD has made massive gains in Germany. If UK and Germany has to take same number of refugees as Pakistan and Turkey, it would result in reduction of standard of living of people here, not to mention social issues due to cultural conflicts. Are you fine with that?
The irony is lost.
If you opened the link, you would see the UK is around number 20. How can we complain when we’re at number 20, yet less affluent nations seem to take the lions share of asylum seekers/refugees and still not complain? I feel like the tag #firstworldproblems might retrend no?
I opened the link and I know that less affluent countries took more people. Unlike those countries, we have a social welfare system. We also have a housing crisis going on. If you take as many asylum seekers in to the country, we will end up having to reduce the social welfare and housing situation will get even worse. Are you willing to make the sacrifice?
Also, the less affluent countries you are talking about are majority Islamic countries. They don't have any issues taking lots of Muslims. We can't do the same, for the same reason they won't take Gay refugees.
A refugee is a refugee, and as we keep being told this is a Christian country, what would Jesus have done?unlike Jesus starmer can’t perform miracles and by the way we do more than most country’s for the poor overseas isn’t that Christian maybe other countries of diffrent religions could be criticised asmuch as the U.K.
Do you mean our contributions to wars and displacement of people from their home countries? Not sure how that's related to Christianity. every religion and country as taken part in wars look at the Middle East it’s never been peaceful I mean our overseas budget about 14 billion a year mate "Not according to the figures from 2022 published last month on "statistics Statistics on International Development: Final UK Aid Spend 2022". Gov website. | |||
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"I guess people who want more of these people will host them in their own homes or pay for their stay elsewhere, cover the payment of their daily stipends and also take responsibility for any crime they commit." I’ll take some in after you take in some British homeless people. Maybe you’d prefer to adopt some parent less kids. That’s already an option you know? Or a druggie? Go for it!! You’ll also have to get the government to change legislation as it’s not currently a “thing” where you can elect to be responsible for someone else’s crimes. Grow up. Gbat | |||
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"I guess people who want more of these people will host them in their own homes or pay for their stay elsewhere, cover the payment of their daily stipends and also take responsibility for any crime they commit. I’ll take some in after you take in some British homeless people. Maybe you’d prefer to adopt some parent less kids. That’s already an option you know? Or a druggie? Go for it!! You’ll also have to get the government to change legislation as it’s not currently a “thing” where you can elect to be responsible for someone else’s crimes. Grow up. Gbat " I am not the one going around virtue signalling on the internet? | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Well lets stop calling them illegal (as if breathing whilst stood on a certain amount of land makes you a crime) and call them refugees/asylum seekers. Lets give them jobs such as… healthcare and elderly care… oh wait is that what’s happening? No, asyslum seekers are not permitted to work legally in the UK. To work in the uk you heed yo arrange in advance for a compact to sponsor you for a salary of over £36000. There’s an exception on salary for unskilled care workers but you still need sponsorship and cannot bring family members. Only after 3 years work do you get indefinite leave to remain and then bring is the rest of the family. Asylum is now the best option for most foreigners without specialist skills like doctor , dentists etc Agreed, on the legal part, but how many barber shops do you see that are british-born-and-bred owned? How many carwashes do you see that are british-born-and-owned? We talk about burden of immigration, well a lot of these immigrants (especially from the asylum seekers) go on to be quite successful, hence over time will pay far more in than what they take out." Ahh is that some of the carwashes that are using forced unpaid labour and are fronts for money laundering for crim gangs.... | |||
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" More like young men looking for free handouts. The employment rate of people who have been given refugee status and hence have the right to work is around 52%. And the ones who work do for much less hours and earn much less than the national average. So they are a net negative to the economy. As for housing, are you ok with building houses in the green belt? Or you willing to pay money out of your own pockets to build housing? Please quote the source for your data" “”In 2021, people who identified as "Muslim" had the lowest percentage of people aged 16 to 64 years in employment (51.4% compared with 70.9% of the overall population); **Significantly - this resulted from the high percentages of people who were students or looking after home or family in this group”” https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/articles/religionbyhousinghealthemploymentandeducationenglandandwales/census2021 | |||
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" More like young men looking for free handouts. The employment rate of people who have been given refugee status and hence have the right to work is around 52%. And the ones who work do for much less hours and earn much less than the national average. So they are a net negative to the economy. As for housing, are you ok with building houses in the green belt? Or you willing to pay money out of your own pockets to build housing? Please quote the source for your data" You just have to search for "employment rate of refugees in the UK" on Google and the first link shows the numbers. The whole argument that these men are looking for jobs and they will contribute positively to the society falls flat when you look at their employment statistics. | |||
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" More like young men looking for free handouts. The employment rate of people who have been given refugee status and hence have the right to work is around 52%. And the ones who work do for much less hours and earn much less than the national average. So they are a net negative to the economy. As for housing, are you ok with building houses in the green belt? Or you willing to pay money out of your own pockets to build housing? Please quote the source for your data “”In 2021, people who identified as "Muslim" had the lowest percentage of people aged 16 to 64 years in employment (51.4% compared with 70.9% of the overall population); **Significantly - this resulted from the high percentages of people who were students or looking after home or family in this group”” https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/articles/religionbyhousinghealthemploymentandeducationenglandandwales/census2021" This is just for Muslims. But the employment rate for refugees in general is also around 51%. It only includes adults who are at a working age. | |||
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" Change the law. Such laws should always have limits. No country has infinite capacity to handle all people who show up in the borders. I think the people of Iran, Turkey, Germany, Pakistan and Uganda would agree with you. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263423/major-refugee-hosting-countries-worldwide/ Glad that they agree
In case you haven't noticed, AfD has made massive gains in Germany. If UK and Germany has to take same number of refugees as Pakistan and Turkey, it would result in reduction of standard of living of people here, not to mention social issues due to cultural conflicts. Are you fine with that?
The irony is lost.
If you opened the link, you would see the UK is around number 20. How can we complain when we’re at number 20, yet less affluent nations seem to take the lions share of asylum seekers/refugees and still not complain? I feel like the tag #firstworldproblems might retrend no?
I opened the link and I know that less affluent countries took more people. Unlike those countries, we have a social welfare system. We also have a housing crisis going on. If you take as many asylum seekers in to the country, we will end up having to reduce the social welfare and housing situation will get even worse. Are you willing to make the sacrifice?
Also, the less affluent countries you are talking about are majority Islamic countries. They don't have any issues taking lots of Muslims. We can't do the same, for the same reason they won't take Gay refugees.
Housing crisis, and lots of young men looking for work. Please miss, please miss, i have an idea!
Young men looking for work?
More like young men looking for free handouts. The employment rate of people who have been given refugee status and hence have the right to work is around 52%. And the ones who work do for much less hours and earn much less than the national average. So they are a net negative to the economy.
As for housing, are you ok with building houses in the green belt? Or you willing to pay money out of your own pockets to build housing?
Train them up, help them get proper jobs, building, solves multiple problems. "All of these need money. Are you willing to pay more money out of your own pockets? | |||
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" and by the way we do more than most country’s for the poor overseas " Is that a fact or your opinion? If it’s a fact can you show me where to find data that supports your assertion? Gbat | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? For fairness please can you provide the figures for how many people have left the UK over the same period so we can see the net loss or gain? That not the same is it, if you emigrate you will have the funds to do so, and not a burden of a nation resources. Most of them have a lifetime of trauma and horrible past experiences. Some with PTSD and severe mental health problems as well. You can’t expect them to get here one day and start working and contributing to the economy the next day. This is the real world and not some fairytale. Don’t be ignorant. Well it’s not ignorant is it , how do you know in your words most are in trauma and PTSD where your evidence of this??? Top asylum request are from Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey (HOMD July 2024) . Managed to cross several other countries to come to this country with severe PTSD ?? Who?? And considering it costing the tax payer £1.3 billion per year ( migrationwatchuk). That 4.300 per month for each asylum seeker. So PTSD stops travel? You’d better tell that to ex service personnel or anyone who has it in this country from whatever source that according to you PTSD inhibits travel and anyone who has it must remain here. Including any of the half million people who emigrated the UK last year Ask the question why do there travel through several safe countries to come to the UK?" And that is the big issue, literally in some cases. We are a soft touch despite all those that claim we are not doing enough. They are prepared to risk crossing a sea to get here when they only have land borders before us. This in itself tells a story. | |||
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"Word games are fun... There are children drowning on these crossings by the way Yes and children also getting stabbed to death, don’t forget that. What has that got to do with asylum seekers?exactly children drowning it’s discusting that parents would rust there kids life when there already in a safe country would anyone on here say they would do the same I think not " My understanding is they can pick and choose which country they want to flee too. My assumption of your point is this: once they have successfully escaped their home country and are now safe, they then opt to put themselves and their children back into danger instead of keeping them and their children safe. As said this is my assumption from reading the posts | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? Makes me wonder what atrocities they are escaping from
"Makes me wonder why they do not stay and take back their country instead of fleeing and being a burden on the UK. Last Christmas when I came over, it no longer felt like home. Everywhere I looked in the arrivals hall were people doing their jobs. Not one of them I would say were of English descent. Sad really! | |||
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"No one ever gives a genuine reason why most are Men 18-30 going of what you read or listen on news channels And not the crap about going first until they can get their family safely over, It’s that bad you have to leave but the rest of the family can stay ? I’ve never had any issues with people coming over just the amount of people" My understanding is that culturally men leave their home/town/district in search for work. This was portrayed on a bbc documentary in Afghanistan. | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? Makes me wonder what atrocities they are escaping from
Makes me wonder why they do not stay and take back their country instead of fleeing and being a burden on the UK.
Last Christmas when I came over, it no longer felt like home. Everywhere I looked in the arrivals hall were people doing their jobs. Not one of them I would say were of English descent.
Sad really!
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? Makes me wonder what atrocities they are escaping from
Makes me wonder why they do not stay and take back their country instead of fleeing and being a burden on the UK.
Last Christmas when I came over, it no longer felt like home. Everywhere I looked in the arrivals hall were people doing their jobs. Not one of them I would say were of English descent.
Sad really!
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? Makes me wonder what atrocities they are escaping from
Makes me wonder why they do not stay and take back their country instead of fleeing and being a burden on the UK.
Last Christmas when I came over, it no longer felt like home. Everywhere I looked in the arrivals hall were people doing their jobs. Not one of them I would say were of English descent.
Sad really!
Some of us don't feel threatened by brown looking people. So it's not an issue."Unfortunately lots do | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? Makes me wonder what atrocities they are escaping from
Makes me wonder why they do not stay and take back their country instead of fleeing and being a burden on the UK.
Last Christmas when I came over, it no longer felt like home. Everywhere I looked in the arrivals hall were people doing their jobs. Not one of them I would say were of English descent.
Sad really!
Some of us don't feel threatened by brown looking people. So it's not an issue.
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"No one ever gives a genuine reason why most are Men 18-30 going of what you read or listen on news channels And not the crap about going first until they can get their family safely over, It’s that bad you have to leave but the rest of the family can stay ? I’ve never had any issues with people coming over just the amount of people My understanding is that culturally men leave their home/town/district in search for work. This was portrayed on a bbc documentary in Afghanistan. " I’ve got no issues with people trying to find work either but they have to meet the requirements that the country set and the government have to keep the amount they allow in to reasonable numbers that the infrastructure, housing schools transport etc can cope with | |||
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"Word games are fun... There are children drowning on these crossings by the way Yes and children also getting stabbed to death, don’t forget that. " A few months ago a black child was stabbed to death by a white man with a large sword Didn't see any protests or burning down of white owed supermarkets | |||
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"If you genuinely care about an issue, you would put the money where your mouth is. You would take money out of your pocket and help the people you say you care about. You would take personal responsibility for the consequences of what you are asking for. If all you can do is to write on the internet that "we need to help these people", it doesn't show you care about the issue. Anyone with a phone and a decent internet connection can do that. The problem here is that you are signalling a virtue you don't have." So many false assertions. Why do you think I’m NOT doing the things you say I should be doing? I have monthly direct debits to three separate charities working in the developing world. Had them for years. I have personally undertaken humanitarian work in Central America, South America, East Africa, West Africa and South East Asia. Before that I undertook humanitarian work in Kabul. I was there for 15 months. Luckily the three closest Afghans I worked with were all able to get to America with their families before the country fell. You already know there’s no such system as being able to take personal responsibility for someone else’s actions. Got kids? You can’t go to jail instead of them, let alone a stranger you’re trying to help. Be realistic! And finally, so many posters are saying how expensive helping all these people is. Well, I’m one of the many taxpayers carrying some of that burden. I earn well so maybe I’m paying a bit more than some others. Who knows? But don’t let the truth stop me from virtue signalling. As I said, I’m happier doing that than behaving like some others here. Gbat | |||
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"If you genuinely care about an issue, you would put the money where your mouth is. You would take money out of your pocket and help the people you say you care about. You would take personal responsibility for the consequences of what you are asking for. If all you can do is to write on the internet that "we need to help these people", it doesn't show you care about the issue. Anyone with a phone and a decent internet connection can do that. The problem here is that you are signalling a virtue you don't have. So many false assertions. Why do you think I’m NOT doing the things you say I should be doing? I have monthly direct debits to three separate charities working in the developing world. Had them for years. I have personally undertaken humanitarian work in Central America, South America, East Africa, West Africa and South East Asia. Before that I undertook humanitarian work in Kabul. I was there for 15 months. Luckily the three closest Afghans I worked with were all able to get to America with their families before the country fell. You already know there’s no such system as being able to take personal responsibility for someone else’s actions. Got kids? You can’t go to jail instead of them, let alone a stranger you’re trying to help. Be realistic! And finally, so many posters are saying how expensive helping all these people is. Well, I’m one of the many taxpayers carrying some of that burden. I earn well so maybe I’m paying a bit more than some others. Who knows? But don’t let the truth stop me from virtue signalling. As I said, I’m happier doing that than behaving like some others here. Gbat " | |||
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"If you genuinely care about an issue, you would put the money where your mouth is. You would take money out of your pocket and help the people you say you care about. You would take personal responsibility for the consequences of what you are asking for. If all you can do is to write on the internet that "we need to help these people", it doesn't show you care about the issue. Anyone with a phone and a decent internet connection can do that. The problem here is that you are signalling a virtue you don't have. So many false assertions. Why do you think I’m NOT doing the things you say I should be doing? I have monthly direct debits to three separate charities working in the developing world. Had them for years. I have personally undertaken humanitarian work in Central America, South America, East Africa, West Africa and South East Asia. Before that I undertook humanitarian work in Kabul. I was there for 15 months. Luckily the three closest Afghans I worked with were all able to get to America with their families before the country fell. " That's some terrific work. Based on the amount you donate, more and more number of people will get help. If all the keyboard warriors who want to take refugees do the same, we would easily solve the economic problems. " You already know there’s no such system as being able to take personal responsibility for someone else’s actions. Got kids? You can’t go to jail instead of them, let alone a stranger you’re trying to help. Be realistic! " In my opinion, if young kids commit crime, the responsibility lie with the parents. If you want to bring someone to the country without due security checks about their background, you have to take responsibility for whatever could go wrong doing that. " And finally, so many posters are saying how expensive helping all these people is. Well, I’m one of the many taxpayers carrying some of that burden. I earn well so maybe I’m paying a bit more than some others. Who knows? " I am a top band tax payer as well. I also donate to charities but not to the refugee charities because there are other causes which I consider to be more important. We don't have enough resources to solve all the world problems. Instead of using the government as a tool to force your values on others, how about you do something for causes you care about and I do something for the causes I care about? " But don’t let the truth stop me from virtue signalling. As I said, I’m happier doing that than behaving like some others here. " I believe honesty is a bigger virtue | |||
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"If all the keyboard warriors who want to take refugees do the same, we would easily solve the economic problems. " Great, we’ve got some common ground here! Same for cancer research, mental health, homelessness, alcoholic veterans, an endless list. Instead we had the last party in power squandering our money on fat cat bonuses, bogus PPE and economic suicide to get “sovereignty” the UK already had. All whilst partying illegally. I’ve said quite a few times in numerous posts that it’s people doing that who are the problem, but they manage to convince others it’s people in boats or disabled people who can’t work. "In my opinion, if young kids commit crime, the responsibility lie with the parents. If you want to bring someone to the country without due security checks about their background, you have to take responsibility for whatever could go wrong doing that. " Yeah, you said that already. The legal situation hasn’t changed since yesterday though. So you still can’t do that even if you want to. Perhaps instead of trying to convince me it’s a good idea, get onto your MP and campaign for a change in the law "Instead of using the government as a tool to force your values on others, [ … ] " What, democracy you mean? Are you saying we should stop the democratic process? Can you use democracy to force your values on me though? Is this just a one way street? Your values good, my values bad? (My values currently have the weight of the law behind them. Hah!) "[ … ] how about you do something for causes you care about and I do something for the causes I care about? " I thought we were already doing that??? "I believe honesty is a bigger virtue " Good to know. But you can have more than one virtue. Don’t limit yourself. To advance the debate, I hope you can agree that it’s great, really heartening to see all the thousands of ordinary people in counter demonstrations last night, spreading messages of hope and assisting to prevent the pointless destruction of community resources. Glad we’ve found things we can agree on. Cheers, Gbat | |||
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" Great, we’ve got some common ground here! Same for cancer research, mental health, homelessness, alcoholic veterans, an endless list. Instead we had the last party in power squandering our money on fat cat bonuses, bogus PPE and economic suicide to get “sovereignty” the UK already had. All whilst partying illegally. " How many world problems do you think that PPE money can solve? At this point you have oversubscribed its usage. " I’ve said quite a few times in numerous posts that it’s people doing that who are the problem, but they manage to convince others it’s people in boats or disabled people who can’t work. " People in boats have much lower employment rate even after they are given refugee status and are allowed to work. They are a net negative to the economy and hence are a problem. " Yeah, you said that already. The legal situation hasn’t changed since yesterday though. So you still can’t do that even if you want to. Perhaps instead of trying to convince me it’s a good idea, get onto your MP and campaign for a change in the law " If the law changes, will you accept it or throw tantrums about having to take responsibility for consequences of what you ask for? " What, democracy you mean? Are you saying we should stop the democratic process? Can you use democracy to force your values on me though? Is this just a one way street? Your values good, my values bad? (My values currently have the weight of the law behind them. Hah!) " Yes, democracy I mean. People have repeatedly voted for parties who promised to stop the boats. Even the Labour government made that promise. Yougov polls also show majority of the people want to stop that. Now would you accept people's democratic choice or would you do some mental gymnastics to tell us how we still have to follow your moral views on this matter? " I thought we were already doing that??? " No. Using the government or age old conventions to take tax money to do that is the opposite of it. " To advance the debate, I hope you can agree that it’s great, really heartening to see all the thousands of ordinary people in counter demonstrations last night, spreading messages of hope and assisting to prevent the pointless destruction of community resources. " If the continue to do this by putting money where their mouth is, then that's great. Pretty sure they all have spaces in their house to take more asylum seekers. If it's just about walking in the protests, taking selfies and posting on the internet, it's useless. | |||
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"How many world problems do you think that PPE money can solve? At this point you have oversubscribed its usage." Sorry, I should have made the relevant paragraph simpler for you. If you add “for instance” at the start of my list, maybe you’ll follow it better. I didn’t want to list things like the billions wiped from the economy by Liz Truss in her short term as Prime Minister, or the bonuses to water company CEOs, or the contracts for stand by ferry services for cronies who don’t even own a boat, or …. Well, as I say, I don’t want to list it all. And even though we could only spend that money once, a billion is a really big number, and we spaffed it away rather than adding it to money we already spend more wisely. " People in boats have much lower employment rate even after they are given refugee status and are allowed to work. They are a net negative to the economy and hence are a problem." Are there specific data sets for people who have arrived in boats? Aren’t people aggregated into a data set based on other things rather than their mode of transport upon arrival? But even if we had data that showed what you say, I’m still content to use my taxes in a humanitarian way. It’s a good thing we could afford it if we stopped making the rich richer. "If the law changes, will you accept it or throw tantrums about having to take responsibility for consequences of what you ask for? ." What, like people throwing tantrums about the current law? I guess I’d be miffed if I’m honest, but it’s a moot point as it hasn’t happened and I don’t think it ever will. "People have repeatedly voted for parties who promised to stop the boats. Even the Labour government made that promise. Yougov polls also show majority of the people want to stop that. Now would you accept people's democratic choice or would you do some mental gymnastics to tell us how we still have to follow your moral views on this matter?." Political Parties have numerous promises on their manifestos. Are you saying all voters voted for that part of the manifesto or maybe did they vote because they follow a parties stance on something else? Phew, imagine that? Politics that isn’t single issue!! Regardless, let’s see where the future takes us before I have to react to it. Let’s not do mental gymnastics over “what ifs?” that haven’t even occurred. "I thought we were already doing that??? No. Using the government or age old conventions to take tax money to … " Hang on, I said I already support a number of charities and you said you support charities but different ones. So as I said, I thought we were already doing that???? "If the continue to do this by putting money where their mouth is, then that's great. Pretty sure they all have spaces in their house to take more asylum seekers. If it's just about walking in the protests, taking selfies and posting on the internet, it's useless." Yeah, I don’t follow this argument sorry. It’s trotted out quite often though. Why are there just two positions? I must take refugees into my home if I’m serious about it. Or I don’t take refugees into my home so I’m a keyboard warrior just virtue signalling. Can’t there be a whole host of possibilities in between? If I’m paraphrasing or explaining your argument, “you work in a soup kitchen and donate a significant amount of time and money to homelessness, but you’re just a keyboard warrior because you won’t take a client home to live in your house.”! Doesn’t really read well like that, does it? I love my parents, but I don’t want them living in my house!!! Anyway, I’m taking my folks out for brunch as dad’s been quite unwell recently. You have a great non hate filled day. Gbat | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? Building sites. We need more homes, hospitals, schools, doctors, power stations. They can build them and live in them." There are 10,000 long term empty ministry of defence homes, most vacant for over a decade, costing the taxpayer £25million annually to maintain. While a reported 109,000 uk families are homeless, put in BB/holiday park accommodation. A 10% increase from last year. | |||
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"Over 17,000 boat people have arrived so far this year. Where do they put them all? Building sites. We need more homes, hospitals, schools, doctors, power stations. They can build them and live in them. There are 10,000 long term empty ministry of defence homes, most vacant for over a decade, costing the taxpayer £25million annually to maintain. While a reported 109,000 uk families are homeless, put in BB/holiday park accommodation. A 10% increase from last year. " that’s insane asif that’s the best the U.K. can do 109000 ffs | |||
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