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By *irldn OP   Couple
20 weeks ago

Brighton

Are we possibly (please) about to see some optimism and joy returning to the UK? Will this create a halo effect that enables Starmer and gang to ride a wave of positivity?

I am of course talking about two things:

1. Bank of England reducing base rate (it is inevitable and just a question of when - maybe August!) anticipation of which is already seeing lots of mortgage rates dropping. More money in your pocket makes people feel good

2. There is a chance, tantalisingly close, that England could win the Euro and their first senior mens tournament trophy in 58 years! With the bonus that in Spain there are anti-tourist protests so the Brits can stick it to them (maybe, Spain’s team are bloody good!)

Anything else on the horizon that could lift the mood of the country?

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By *otMe66Man
20 weeks ago

Terra Firma

Olympics

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By *onica-mayhemWoman
20 weeks ago

Belfast/dublin

His resignation

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By *atEvolutionCouple
20 weeks ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

I already have my list:

https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/1608722

I can't wait. But if after 99 days we are not seeing them, I will be sad, very sad.

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By (user no longer on site)
20 weeks ago

Markets are going to like our stability versus Europe and their right wing challenges, and US with political change.

Money likes boring.

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By *irldn OP   Couple
20 weeks ago

Brighton


"Olympics"

We could do quite well, lovely summer of sport!

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By *irldn OP   Couple
20 weeks ago

Brighton


"His resignation "

Give the fella a chance!

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By *irldn OP   Couple
20 weeks ago

Brighton

Saying that I see the media are already stirring up Labour infighting around Child Benefit 2 kid limit so hmmmm!

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By *atEvolutionCouple
20 weeks ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke


"Saying that I see the media are already stirring up Labour infighting around Child Benefit 2 kid limit so hmmmm!"

It will take less than six months before we start to see serious shifts of direction in Labour. How they manage that will be the thing.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
20 weeks ago

nearby

Labour have inherited an improved situation

Interest rate trajectory downwards

House prices are stabilised, sign of small growth

Inflation down 12.7% 2%

FTSE up

£ at one year high

£ highest against euro in two years

Public mood better

It’s summer

Positive opinion towards labour policies

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By *otMe66Man
20 weeks ago

Terra Firma


"Labour have inherited an improved situation

Interest rate trajectory downwards

House prices are stabilised, sign of small growth

Inflation down 12.7% 2%

FTSE up

£ at one year high

£ highest against euro in two years

Public mood better

It’s summer

Positive opinion towards labour policies"

Yes, and why so many thought Sunak had got the GE date so wrong

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By *irldn OP   Couple
20 weeks ago

Brighton


"Saying that I see the media are already stirring up Labour infighting around Child Benefit 2 kid limit so hmmmm!

It will take less than six months before we start to see serious shifts of direction in Labour. How they manage that will be the thing."

Those peaky big tent / broad church coalitions, oops I mean parties with all their back room squabbling

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By *irldn OP   Couple
20 weeks ago

Brighton


"Labour have inherited an improved situation

Interest rate trajectory downwards

House prices are stabilised, sign of small growth

Inflation down 12.7% 2%

FTSE up

£ at one year high

£ highest against euro in two years

Public mood better

It’s summer

Positive opinion towards labour policies

Yes, and why so many thought Sunak had got the GE date so wrong"

Shouldn’t he have waited a few months for the “feels” to turn positive?

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By *otMe66Man
20 weeks ago

Terra Firma


"Labour have inherited an improved situation

Interest rate trajectory downwards

House prices are stabilised, sign of small growth

Inflation down 12.7% 2%

FTSE up

£ at one year high

£ highest against euro in two years

Public mood better

It’s summer

Positive opinion towards labour policies

Yes, and why so many thought Sunak had got the GE date so wrong

Shouldn’t he have waited a few months for the “feels” to turn positive?"

that was the consensus amongst many tory ministers and MP's.

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By *eroy1000Man
20 weeks ago

milton keynes


"Labour have inherited an improved situation

Interest rate trajectory downwards

House prices are stabilised, sign of small growth

Inflation down 12.7% 2%

FTSE up

£ at one year high

£ highest against euro in two years

Public mood better

It’s summer

Positive opinion towards labour policies

Yes, and why so many thought Sunak had got the GE date so wrong

Shouldn’t he have waited a few months for the “feels” to turn positive?

that was the consensus amongst many tory ministers and MP's. "

We will probably have to wait until he writes a book to see his reasoning on the GE date. It will look a bit odd though if SKS tries to take credit for the improved situation while at the same time blaming anything bad on the previous government.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
20 weeks ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke


" It will look a bit odd though if SKS tries to take credit for the improved situation while at the same time blaming anything bad on the previous government."

Great observation.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
20 weeks ago

nearby


"Labour have inherited an improved situation

Interest rate trajectory downwards

House prices are stabilised, sign of small growth

Inflation down 12.7% 2%

FTSE up

£ at one year high

£ highest against euro in two years

Public mood better

It’s summer

Positive opinion towards labour policies

Yes, and why so many thought Sunak had got the GE date so wrong

Shouldn’t he have waited a few months for the “feels” to turn positive?"

No planes were ever going to Rwanda ? I think the reason for calling it early.

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By *usybee73Man
20 weeks ago

in the sticks

His father was a tool maker, just in case you didn't know ...

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By *atEvolutionCouple
20 weeks ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

Corbyn is already spouting a 'Planting seeds of new politics'

With his independent seat of 1.

It's main manifesto promise is 'self-delusion'.

****Independent MP Jeremy Corbyn has laid out a political strategy for the Left in an article for the Guardian newspaper, saying he is "planting the seeds for a new way of doing politics" in Islington and beyond.

Mr Corbyn will hold monthly "people’s forums", which he described as "a shared, democratic space" for local campaigns, and trade, tenants’ and debtors’ unions.

These forums, Mr Corbyn believes, are the basis of a new grassroots organising model.

He wants it to be replicated across the country and called for people to "stand up for themselves and against those who have ignored their demands for peace and humanity".****

In Islington and Beyond lol.

A free Budenovka for all who join.

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By *usybee73Man
20 weeks ago

in the sticks


"Corbyn is already spouting a 'Planting seeds of new politics'

With his independent seat of 1.

It's main manifesto promise is 'self-delusion'.

****Independent MP Jeremy Corbyn has laid out a political strategy for the Left in an article for the Guardian newspaper, saying he is "planting the seeds for a new way of doing politics" in Islington and beyond.

Mr Corbyn will hold monthly "people’s forums", which he described as "a shared, democratic space" for local campaigns, and trade, tenants’ and debtors’ unions.

These forums, Mr Corbyn believes, are the basis of a new grassroots organising model.

He wants it to be replicated across the country and called for people to "stand up for themselves and against those who have ignored their demands for peace and humanity".****

In Islington and Beyond lol.

A free Budenovka for all who join.

"

Didn't he get more votes when leader?

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By *atEvolutionCouple
20 weeks ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke


"Corbyn is already spouting a 'Planting seeds of new politics'

With his independent seat of 1.

It's main manifesto promise is 'self-delusion'.

****Independent MP Jeremy Corbyn has laid out a political strategy for the Left in an article for the Guardian newspaper, saying he is "planting the seeds for a new way of doing politics" in Islington and beyond.

Mr Corbyn will hold monthly "people’s forums", which he described as "a shared, democratic space" for local campaigns, and trade, tenants’ and debtors’ unions.

These forums, Mr Corbyn believes, are the basis of a new grassroots organising model.

He wants it to be replicated across the country and called for people to "stand up for themselves and against those who have ignored their demands for peace and humanity".****

In Islington and Beyond lol.

A free Budenovka for all who join.

Didn't he get more votes when leader?"

When leader of what? Labour?

Are you going to the meetings?

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By *usybee73Man
20 weeks ago

in the sticks


"Corbyn is already spouting a 'Planting seeds of new politics'

With his independent seat of 1.

It's main manifesto promise is 'self-delusion'.

****Independent MP Jeremy Corbyn has laid out a political strategy for the Left in an article for the Guardian newspaper, saying he is "planting the seeds for a new way of doing politics" in Islington and beyond.

Mr Corbyn will hold monthly "people’s forums", which he described as "a shared, democratic space" for local campaigns, and trade, tenants’ and debtors’ unions.

These forums, Mr Corbyn believes, are the basis of a new grassroots organising model.

He wants it to be replicated across the country and called for people to "stand up for themselves and against those who have ignored their demands for peace and humanity".****

In Islington and Beyond lol.

A free Budenovka for all who join.

Didn't he get more votes when leader?

When leader of what? Labour?

Are you going to the meetings? "

2019 election? Sure iifc he got more votes then the tool makers son??

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By *irldn OP   Couple
19 weeks ago

Brighton

So much for a Euro win then

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By *idnight RamblerMan
19 weeks ago

Pershore

Labour will undoubtedly enjoy a honeymoon period like any incoming government. But the gloss will start to tarnish as inevitable tax hikes start to hit middle income families. Other policies like onshore windfarms, removing immunity of ex soldiers in NI will further alienate conservative (with a small 'c') England. Expect a gradual decline in popularity which will turn to a plummet if Labour move to the left.

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By *melie LALWoman
19 weeks ago

Peterborough


"His resignation "

Kier's?

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By *melie LALWoman
19 weeks ago

Peterborough


"Saying that I see the media are already stirring up Labour infighting around Child Benefit 2 kid limit so hmmmm!"

Child tax credit 2 kid limit which has been in place for quite some time?

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By *hrill CollinsMan
19 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

The fact that he's just had the biggest bounce of any party in political history with the most monumental landslide, does he really need one just yet?

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By *melie LALWoman
19 weeks ago

Peterborough


"Labour have inherited an improved situation

Interest rate trajectory downwards

House prices are stabilised, sign of small growth

Inflation down 12.7% 2%

FTSE up

£ at one year high

£ highest against euro in two years

Public mood better

It’s summer

Positive opinion towards labour policies

Yes, and why so many thought Sunak had got the GE date so wrong

Shouldn’t he have waited a few months for the “feels” to turn positive?"

Rwanda flight was due in July. I think the failure of that weighed on his mind.

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By *hrill CollinsMan
19 weeks ago

The Outer Rim


"Shouldn’t he have waited a few months for the “feels” to turn positive?

Rwanda flight was due in July. I think the failure of that weighed on his mind."

This was being reported 3 days ago ... sounds ligit but I don't claim to know if that's the reason ....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-real-reason-snap-election-b2578806.html

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By *melie LALWoman
19 weeks ago

Peterborough


"Shouldn’t he have waited a few months for the “feels” to turn positive?

Rwanda flight was due in July. I think the failure of that weighed on his mind.

This was being reported 3 days ago ... sounds ligit but I don't claim to know if that's the reason ....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-real-reason-snap-election-b2578806.html"

I suggested this before the election. If sunak was confident in the Rwanda scheme and the flight due in July, he would have had this as an ace up his sleeve. If knowing something else could stop the flight, he was wise to have GE beforehand, as he could (and did) claim Rwanda was still a valid deterrent in the making. Tbh nothing was going to stop the onslaught, not even a magic wand.

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By *melie LALWoman
19 weeks ago

Peterborough


"Shouldn’t he have waited a few months for the “feels” to turn positive?

Rwanda flight was due in July. I think the failure of that weighed on his mind.

This was being reported 3 days ago ... sounds ligit but I don't claim to know if that's the reason ....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-real-reason-snap-election-b2578806.html"

Are you mister buck?

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By *hrill CollinsMan
19 weeks ago

The Outer Rim


"Are you mister buck?"

i beg your pardon? i don't understand?

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By *melie LALWoman
19 weeks ago

Peterborough


"Are you mister buck?

i beg your pardon? i don't understand? "

Ok, play it your way but it's extremely doubtful you're new to the politics forum. Time will tell

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By *hrill CollinsMan
19 weeks ago

The Outer Rim


"Are you mister buck?

i beg your pardon? i don't understand?

Ok, play it your way but it's extremely doubtful you're new to the politics forum. Time will tell "

you've really confused me know lol

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By *hrill CollinsMan
19 weeks ago

The Outer Rim


"Are you mister buck?

i beg your pardon? i don't understand?

Ok, play it your way but it's extremely doubtful you're new to the politics forum. Time will tell

you've really confused me know lol "

*now

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By *astandFeistyCouple
19 weeks ago

Bournemouth


"Shouldn’t he have waited a few months for the “feels” to turn positive?

Rwanda flight was due in July. I think the failure of that weighed on his mind.

This was being reported 3 days ago ... sounds ligit but I don't claim to know if that's the reason ....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-real-reason-snap-election-b2578806.html

Are you mister buck?"

Judging by the views espoused, he isn't Buck...

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By *ggdrasil66Man
19 weeks ago

Saltdean

The only way to make Kier bounce, would be to throw him against a wall. Unfortunately he is more likely to go splat, because he is so limp. It would be like a bag of shit fired out of a cannon.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
19 weeks ago

golden fields


"The only way to make Kier bounce, would be to throw him against a wall. Unfortunately he is more likely to go splat, because he is so limp. It would be like a bag of shit fired out of a cannon."

Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
19 weeks ago

Nationalising the railways would be nice and a cheap way of doing it is not renewing the franchises. It would also avoid any silly lawsuits like when one franchise was awarded to somebody else and the other company got pissy about it.

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By *irldn OP   Couple
19 weeks ago

Brighton


"The only way to make Kier bounce, would be to throw him against a wall. Unfortunately he is more likely to go splat, because he is so limp. It would be like a bag of shit fired out of a cannon."

Apparently he speaks quite highly of you

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By *eroy1000Man
19 weeks ago

milton keynes


"Nationalising the railways would be nice and a cheap way of doing it is not renewing the franchises. It would also avoid any silly lawsuits like when one franchise was awarded to somebody else and the other company got pissy about it."

It's certainly cheaper to wait for the franchise to expire and then take ownership but do they also take ownership of any debts accrued and who pays if it's not profitable at some point

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By *wosmilersCouple
19 weeks ago

Heathrowish


"Nationalising the railways would be nice and a cheap way of doing it is not renewing the franchises. It would also avoid any silly lawsuits like when one franchise was awarded to somebody else and the other company got pissy about it."

The only problem that I can see with simply waiting for contracts to expire is that existing franchise owners would fail to invest in, repair or renew any infrastructure as they will not see any financial benefit.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
19 weeks ago

Gilfach


"Nationalising the railways would be nice and a cheap way of doing it is not renewing the franchises. It would also avoid any silly lawsuits like when one franchise was awarded to somebody else and the other company got pissy about it."


"The only problem that I can see with simply waiting for contracts to expire is that existing franchise owners would fail to invest in, repair or renew any infrastructure as they will not see any financial benefit. "

That's not a problem. The franchise owners only have a licence to operate the service. They don't own the trains, or the track, or the stations, or any of the signalling, power supplies, communications equipment, etc. There's nothing for them to invest in, repair or renew.

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By *hrill CollinsMan
19 weeks ago

The Outer Rim


"Nationalising the railways would be nice and a cheap way of doing it is not renewing the franchises. It would also avoid any silly lawsuits like when one franchise was awarded to somebody else and the other company got pissy about it.

It's certainly cheaper to wait for the franchise to expire and then take ownership but do they also take ownership of any debts accrued and who pays if it's not profitable at some point"

but that's what's been happening anyway

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By *hrill CollinsMan
19 weeks ago

The Outer Rim


"Nationalising the railways would be nice and a cheap way of doing it is not renewing the franchises. It would also avoid any silly lawsuits like when one franchise was awarded to somebody else and the other company got pissy about it.

The only problem that I can see with simply waiting for contracts to expire is that existing franchise owners would fail to invest in, repair or renew any infrastructure as they will not see any financial benefit. "

again .... that's what's been happening anyway

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