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"Time for a BAN. Come on, Kier, get it done. And 25 years mandatory for aggravated use of a knife. https://news.sky.com/story/kyle-clifford-manhunt-latest-murdered-women-were-alive-when-ambulances-arrived-13175961" Som one that wants to kill | |||
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"I have 2 crossbows and an air rifle. I enjoy target practice with all 3 of them. I daresay people still use long/archery bows as well? " Outside of a club they should be banned. | |||
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"I have 2 crossbows and an air rifle. I enjoy target practice with all 3 of them. I daresay people still use long/archery bows as well? " Have a longbow and air rifle but the bow has more power then the air rifle. So should bows of all kinds be treated the same as air weapons if over a power you need a licence. As is with Air weapons | |||
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"I have 2 crossbows and an air rifle. I enjoy target practice with all 3 of them. I daresay people still use long/archery bows as well? Outside of a club they should be banned." So how would you ban them, You can stop the sale but only the honest people would hand them over if you ban them. And I bet more people are killed buy knives. | |||
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"What would be next? Cars? ..." A car is licensed and operated by those with a licence and penalties for killing by car are already on the statute book. And please don't answer with 'what next peanuts?' | |||
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"Time for a BAN. Come on, Kier, get it done. And 25 years mandatory for aggravated use of a knife. https://news.sky.com/story/kyle-clifford-manhunt-latest-murdered-women-were-alive-when-ambulances-arrived-13175961" I think they should ban literally anything that's dangerous, and that includes people. They should ban people. | |||
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"Time for a BAN. Come on, Kier, get it done. And 25 years mandatory for aggravated use of a knife. https://news.sky.com/story/kyle-clifford-manhunt-latest-murdered-women-were-alive-when-ambulances-arrived-13175961 I think they should ban literally anything that's dangerous, and that includes people. They should ban people. " Now that I agree with a cull of people, would be good for the planet.  | |||
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"What would be next? Cars? ... A car is licensed and operated by those with a licence and penalties for killing by car are already on the statute book. And please don't answer with 'what next peanuts?'" Dogs? | |||
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"What would be next? Cars? ... A car is licensed and operated by those with a licence and penalties for killing by car are already on the statute book. And please don't answer with 'what next peanuts?' Dogs?" Any more evasions of the OP? Sausages perhaps? | |||
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"Time for a BAN. Come on, Kier, get it done. And 25 years mandatory for aggravated use of a knife. https://news.sky.com/story/kyle-clifford-manhunt-latest-murdered-women-were-alive-when-ambulances-arrived-13175961 I think they should ban literally anything that's dangerous, and that includes people. They should ban people. Now that I agree with a cull of people, would be good for the planet. "Mate, if only to get through that Dartford tunnel unhindered, it would be so worth it. | |||
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"I'm sure that John Hunt, while grieving the Murder of his wife and two children, is thinking about you at this time. "It is very easy to trail the bloody victims and the reason for banning something - but a ban rarely addresses the underlying issue and can make things worse. The govt spent over £50m banning handguns in 1997. The immediate effect was a very significant increase in gun crime, including the murder of Jill Dando. Even today, handguns, despite being banned for getting towards 30 years still account for the vast majority of gun crimes by a very significant margin. I suspect as the full picture emerges, the will be other failures that could have prevented these senseless murders. I am not defending anyone’s right to anything, I just want any response to actually bring effective change. | |||
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"And how many crossbow deaths in last 20 years? " Not the point really is it? | |||
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"And how many crossbow deaths in last 20 years? Not the point really is it?" Surly context should be shown ... I believe if the op is referring to the murder, what if they picked up a shovel instead. | |||
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"And how many crossbow deaths in last 20 years? Not the point really is it?" I believe the person would have used another weapon if the crossbow was not available. | |||
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"And how many crossbow deaths in last 20 years? Not the point really is it? I believe the person would have used another weapon if the crossbow was not available. " Let’s unban guns then. | |||
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"And how many crossbow deaths in last 20 years? Not the point really is it? I believe the person would have used another weapon if the crossbow was not available. Let’s unban guns then." | |||
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"And how many crossbow deaths in last 20 years? Not the point really is it? I believe the person would have used another weapon if the crossbow was not available. Let’s unban guns then. "He used a crossbow after all | |||
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"And how many crossbow deaths in last 20 years? " Stephen Griffiths....convicted of 3 but says he killed 5....2008 or 2009ish Angelsey....(Gerald Corrigan victim) 2019ish Two incidents off the top of my head. There may be more but when is enough, enough? | |||
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"And how many crossbow deaths in last 20 years? Not the point really is it? I believe the person would have used another weapon if the crossbow was not available. Let’s unban guns then.
He used a crossbow after all"I’m all for discussion on rational terms | |||
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"Then read the WHOLE thread then" I have, hence my comment to you. | |||
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"I'm sure that John Hunt, while grieving the Murder of his wife and two children, is thinking about you at this time.
It is very easy to trail the bloody victims and the reason for banning something - but a ban rarely addresses the underlying issue and can make things worse.
The govt spent over £50m banning handguns in 1997. The immediate effect was a very significant increase in gun crime, including the murder of Jill Dando.
Even today, handguns, despite being banned for getting towards 30 years still account for the vast majority of gun crimes by a very significant margin.
I suspect as the full picture emerges, the will be other failures that could have prevented these senseless murders.
I am not defending anyone’s right to anything, I just want any response to actually bring effective change. "The government banned hand guns as a result of the dunblane shootings. How many school shootings have we had since? I would call that effective change | |||
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"What would be next? Cars? ... A car is licensed and operated by those with a licence and penalties for killing by car are already on the statute book. And please don't answer with 'what next peanuts?'" Ok let's also ban the use of hammers without regulations/licence. At least 4 knows serial killers used hammers to dispatch their victims... Those who use weapons to hunt (bow /crossbow/ rifle/ knife) are not the issue .. random psycho are they will use whatever tool is available to achieve their end goal .. | |||
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"The government banned hand guns as a result of the dunblane shootings. How many school shootings have we had since? I would call that effective change " Just for clarification how many school shootings did we have "before" dunblane ? | |||
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"What would be next? Cars? ... A car is licensed and operated by those with a licence and penalties for killing by car are already on the statute book. And please don't answer with 'what next peanuts?' Ok let's also ban the use of hammers without regulations/licence. At least 4 knows serial killers used hammers to dispatch their victims... Those who use weapons to hunt (bow /crossbow/ rifle/ knife) are not the issue .. random psycho are they will use whatever tool is available to achieve their end goal .. " But then surely a ban will prevent said random psycho using one? My understanding of the current law is that they are already illegal in most circumstances and not exactly readily available so feel a ban/regulation would not be as effective as the way someone who wants to do harm with one now has to go about getting one would be similar under a ban. So maybe time and effort would be better diverting resources to the police departments that deal with such issues? | |||
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"What would be next? Cars? ... A car is licensed and operated by those with a licence and penalties for killing by car are already on the statute book. And please don't answer with 'what next peanuts?' Ok let's also ban the use of hammers without regulations/licence. At least 4 knows serial killers used hammers to dispatch their victims... Those who use weapons to hunt (bow /crossbow/ rifle/ knife) are not the issue .. random psycho are they will use whatever tool is available to achieve their end goal .. " Hammers have an every day use for plenty of households. Crossbows, rifles do not so its a false equivalence. Knives it becomes more difficult because of the range available but they can be categorised into practical use and its only purpose is a weapon. Is it not already the case that if you carry a knife as a weapon it is illegal? For example if you are on the high street with a carving knife down the back of your trousers its not exactly for the sunday roast is it | |||
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"What are people's views on pepper sprays?" They lack the finesse and control a good old fashioned pepper mill has, and can spoil an otherwise great meal. | |||
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"What would be next? Cars? ... A car is licensed and operated by those with a licence and penalties for killing by car are already on the statute book. And please don't answer with 'what next peanuts?' Ok let's also ban the use of hammers without regulations/licence. At least 4 knows serial killers used hammers to dispatch their victims... Those who use weapons to hunt (bow /crossbow/ rifle/ knife) are not the issue .. random psycho are they will use whatever tool is available to achieve their end goal .. Hammers have an every day use for plenty of households. Crossbows, rifles do not so its a false equivalence. Knives it becomes more difficult because of the range available but they can be categorised into practical use and its only purpose is a weapon. Is it not already the case that if you carry a knife as a weapon it is illegal? For example if you are on the high street with a carving knife down the back of your trousers its not exactly for the sunday roast is it" Look at the humble paintball gun. You can adjust the muzzle velocity up to about 450fps, then add a fully auto drop in kit, use solid training rounds. Who needs a firearm. Only issue is the velocity, but that can be tweaked down after the fun. | |||
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"So much whataboutism - let’s hope that one day it's not your daughter or mother or wife or baby." What do you think your post is? "What if it was someone you loved, then you'd agree with me". If that's not whataboutism, I don't know what is. | |||
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"People making light of this and making jokes really need to give themselves a long hard look in the mirror. Regards knives I personally witnessed a stabbing this week and the ease and casualness how the attacker pulled the knife and stabbed the other guy without hesitation was frankly terrifying. So yes ban knives ban crossbow's please." | |||
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"People making light of this and making jokes really need to give themselves a long hard look in the mirror. Regards knives I personally witnessed a stabbing this week and the ease and casualness how the attacker pulled the knife and stabbed the other guy without hesitation was frankly terrifying. So yes ban knives ban crossbow's please." So are you saying ban all knifes? How do you carve roast beef with a spoon | |||
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"People making light of this and making jokes really need to give themselves a long hard look in the mirror. Regards knives I personally witnessed a stabbing this week and the ease and casualness how the attacker pulled the knife and stabbed the other guy without hesitation was frankly terrifying. So yes ban knives ban crossbow's please." And if someone is stabbed with a screwdriver would you call for a ban Screwdrivers? | |||
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"I will expand on this. I have a local area news type app. Recently there has been several posts about people being injured in my area with ‘nuts’ . These are industrial steel type. Police ‘suspect’ fired from a catapult . Now I have used catapult for fishing. Not sure if can buy now . But could buy from angling shop . Metal catapult with elastic and pouch ready made. You could then buy upgrade to have heavy duty elastic , pouch. These fired ‘boilies ‘ . Now if you used marbles / ball bearings this could kill very easily . Yet again not banned. What do you ban ? Only something that kills if makes headlines ? " You can get hunting catapults, they are on another level with regards to damage. | |||
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"People making light of this and making jokes really need to give themselves a long hard look in the mirror. Regards knives I personally witnessed a stabbing this week and the ease and casualness how the attacker pulled the knife and stabbed the other guy without hesitation was frankly terrifying. So yes ban knives ban crossbow's please." And suitcases! | |||
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"How many people have been killed by e-scooters vs crossbows ? Should the sale of e-scooters be banned before crossbows ? " You'd have to factor in how many people use e-scooters in public vs how many people fire a cross bow in public for it to be a fair comparison. Plus the cross bow is designed for shooting a bolt at stuff. E-scooters are designed to get people around. | |||
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"How many people have been killed by e-scooters vs crossbows ? Should the sale of e-scooters be banned before crossbows ? You'd have to factor in how many people use e-scooters in public vs how many people fire a cross bow in public for it to be a fair comparison. Plus the cross bow is designed for shooting a bolt at stuff. E-scooters are designed to get people around. " Indeed. And by the same measure all these whatabouters will think that legalising Heroin. Monkey dust and the like is okay too. After all, only criminals use them. | |||
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"How many people have been killed by e-scooters vs crossbows ? Should the sale of e-scooters be banned before crossbows ? You'd have to factor in how many people use e-scooters in public vs how many people fire a cross bow in public for it to be a fair comparison. Plus the cross bow is designed for shooting a bolt at stuff. E-scooters are designed to get people around. Indeed. And by the same measure all these whatabouters will think that legalising Heroin. Monkey dust and the like is okay too. After all, only criminals use them. "And in the meantime sales of crossbows are going through the roof due to a potential ban... Strange how things unfold in ways not expected. | |||
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"How many people have been killed by e-scooters vs crossbows ? Should the sale of e-scooters be banned before crossbows ? You'd have to factor in how many people use e-scooters in public vs how many people fire a cross bow in public for it to be a fair comparison. Plus the cross bow is designed for shooting a bolt at stuff. E-scooters are designed to get people around. Indeed. And by the same measure all these whatabouters will think that legalising Heroin. Monkey dust and the like is okay too. After all, only criminals use them. "What a bizarre comment, hardly surprising ? You may not be aware but any privately owned e-scooters are not sold to "get people around" as they're illegal to use unless you have your own private estate maybe ?? | |||
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"And if they are banned and people caught with them, they will be prosecuted too." No they wont, they will simply ban future sales and continue to arrest people who have them in open / public places | |||
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"And if they are banned and people caught with them, they will be prosecuted too." It's already illegal to carry a crossbow in public without a reasonable excuse and can result in up to 4 years imprisonment. Even death caused by a lunatic with a crossbow is horrific but context ... How many deaths have resulted from crossbows in the last 50 years ? I couldn't find a number ? There's other more pressing issues for parliament to discuss ? | |||
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"How many people have been killed by e-scooters vs crossbows ? Should the sale of e-scooters be banned before crossbows ? You'd have to factor in how many people use e-scooters in public vs how many people fire a cross bow in public for it to be a fair comparison. Plus the cross bow is designed for shooting a bolt at stuff. E-scooters are designed to get people around. Indeed. And by the same measure all these whatabouters will think that legalising Heroin. Monkey dust and the like is okay too. After all, only criminals use them.
What a bizarre comment, hardly surprising ?
You may not be aware but any privately owned e-scooters are not sold to "get people around" as they're illegal to use unless you have your own private estate maybe ??"Of course e-scooters are not sold to get people around - I used one just yesterday for wallpapering. LMAO 
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"How many people have been killed by e-scooters vs crossbows ? Should the sale of e-scooters be banned before crossbows ? You'd have to factor in how many people use e-scooters in public vs how many people fire a cross bow in public for it to be a fair comparison. Plus the cross bow is designed for shooting a bolt at stuff. E-scooters are designed to get people around. Indeed. And by the same measure all these whatabouters will think that legalising Heroin. Monkey dust and the like is okay too. After all, only criminals use them.
What a bizarre comment, hardly surprising ?
You may not be aware but any privately owned e-scooters are not sold to "get people around" as they're illegal to use unless you have your own private estate maybe ??
Of course e-scooters are not sold to get people around - I used one just yesterday for wallpapering. LMAO
This thread is getting more bizzare second by second.
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"How many people have been killed by e-scooters vs crossbows ? Should the sale of e-scooters be banned before crossbows ? You'd have to factor in how many people use e-scooters in public vs how many people fire a cross bow in public for it to be a fair comparison. Plus the cross bow is designed for shooting a bolt at stuff. E-scooters are designed to get people around. Indeed. And by the same measure all these whatabouters will think that legalising Heroin. Monkey dust and the like is okay too. After all, only criminals use them.
What a bizarre comment, hardly surprising ?
You may not be aware but any privately owned e-scooters are not sold to "get people around" as they're illegal to use unless you have your own private estate maybe ??
Of course e-scooters are not sold to get people around - I used one just yesterday for wallpapering. LMAO
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"How many people have been killed by e-scooters vs crossbows ? Should the sale of e-scooters be banned before crossbows ? You'd have to factor in how many people use e-scooters in public vs how many people fire a cross bow in public for it to be a fair comparison. Plus the cross bow is designed for shooting a bolt at stuff. E-scooters are designed to get people around. Indeed. And by the same measure all these whatabouters will think that legalising Heroin. Monkey dust and the like is okay too. After all, only criminals use them.
What a bizarre comment, hardly surprising ?
You may not be aware but any privately owned e-scooters are not sold to "get people around" as they're illegal to use unless you have your own private estate maybe ??
Of course e-scooters are not sold to get people around - I used one just yesterday for wallpapering. LMAO
This thread is getting more bizzare second by second.
Surely if they were sold to get people around then using them wouldn't be illegal, would it "Go on - tell me what they are sold for? | |||
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"How many people have been killed by e-scooters vs crossbows ? Should the sale of e-scooters be banned before crossbows ? You'd have to factor in how many people use e-scooters in public vs how many people fire a cross bow in public for it to be a fair comparison. Plus the cross bow is designed for shooting a bolt at stuff. E-scooters are designed to get people around. Indeed. And by the same measure all these whatabouters will think that legalising Heroin. Monkey dust and the like is okay too. After all, only criminals use them.
What a bizarre comment, hardly surprising ?
You may not be aware but any privately owned e-scooters are not sold to "get people around" as they're illegal to use unless you have your own private estate maybe ??
Of course e-scooters are not sold to get people around - I used one just yesterday for wallpapering. LMAO
This thread is getting more bizzare second by second.
Surely if they were sold to get people around then using them wouldn't be illegal, would it
Go on - tell me what they are sold for?"It is not the purpose it is where it is used that makes them illegal on the streets of the UK, just like crossbows, guns and many other things. | |||
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"How many people have been killed by e-scooters vs crossbows ? Should the sale of e-scooters be banned before crossbows ? You'd have to factor in how many people use e-scooters in public vs how many people fire a cross bow in public for it to be a fair comparison. Plus the cross bow is designed for shooting a bolt at stuff. E-scooters are designed to get people around. Indeed. And by the same measure all these whatabouters will think that legalising Heroin. Monkey dust and the like is okay too. After all, only criminals use them.
What a bizarre comment, hardly surprising ?
You may not be aware but any privately owned e-scooters are not sold to "get people around" as they're illegal to use unless you have your own private estate maybe ??
Of course e-scooters are not sold to get people around - I used one just yesterday for wallpapering. LMAO
This thread is getting more bizzare second by second.
Surely if they were sold to get people around then using them wouldn't be illegal, would it
Go on - tell me what they are sold for?"That's a really good question. You can't use them legally why are they allowed to be sold by the thousands? Perhaps Keir Starmer should look at ways of making them legal and free up police to stop idiots with crossbows? | |||
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"How many people have been killed by e-scooters vs crossbows ? Should the sale of e-scooters be banned before crossbows ? You'd have to factor in how many people use e-scooters in public vs how many people fire a cross bow in public for it to be a fair comparison. Plus the cross bow is designed for shooting a bolt at stuff. E-scooters are designed to get people around. Indeed. And by the same measure all these whatabouters will think that legalising Heroin. Monkey dust and the like is okay too. After all, only criminals use them.
What a bizarre comment, hardly surprising ?
Of course e-scooters are not sold to get people around - I used one just yesterday for wallpapering. LMAO
This thread is getting more bizzare second by second.
Surely if they were sold to get people around then using them wouldn't be illegal, would it
Go on - tell me what they are sold for?
It is not the purpose it is where it is used that makes them illegal on the streets of the UK, just like crossbows, guns and many other things.
"I was answering and asking 'what are they sold for' to this post . . . *****You may not be aware but any privately owned e-scooters are not sold to "get people around" as they're illegal to use unless you have your own private estate maybe ??******* And actually I used one in Salford not two days ago LEGALLY. And guess what I used it 'for getting around'  As that was what is intended for its use. | |||
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"How many people have been killed by e-scooters vs crossbows ? Should the sale of e-scooters be banned before crossbows ? You'd have to factor in how many people use e-scooters in public vs how many people fire a cross bow in public for it to be a fair comparison. Plus the cross bow is designed for shooting a bolt at stuff. E-scooters are designed to get people around. Indeed. And by the same measure all these whatabouters will think that legalising Heroin. Monkey dust and the like is okay too. After all, only criminals use them.
What a bizarre comment, hardly surprising ?
Of course e-scooters are not sold to get people around - I used one just yesterday for wallpapering. LMAO
This thread is getting more bizzare second by second.
Surely if they were sold to get people around then using them wouldn't be illegal, would it
Go on - tell me what they are sold for?
It is not the purpose it is where it is used that makes them illegal on the streets of the UK, just like crossbows, guns and many other things.
I was answering and asking 'what are they sold for' to this post . . .
*****You may not be aware but any privately owned e-scooters are not sold to "get people around" as they're illegal to use unless you have your own private estate maybe ??*******
And actually I used one in Salford not two days ago LEGALLY. And guess what I used it 'for getting around' As that was what is intended for its use. "You can use them if they are part of a council scheme and rented, other than that you can't use them on the roads | |||
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"How many people have been killed by e-scooters vs crossbows ? Should the sale of e-scooters be banned before crossbows ? You'd have to factor in how many people use e-scooters in public vs how many people fire a cross bow in public for it to be a fair comparison. Plus the cross bow is designed for shooting a bolt at stuff. E-scooters are designed to get people around. Indeed. And by the same measure all these whatabouters will think that legalising Heroin. Monkey dust and the like is okay too. After all, only criminals use them.
What a bizarre comment, hardly surprising ?
Of course e-scooters are not sold to get people around - I used one just yesterday for wallpapering. LMAO
This thread is getting more bizzare second by second.
Surely if they were sold to get people around then using them wouldn't be illegal, would it
Go on - tell me what they are sold for?
It is not the purpose it is where it is used that makes them illegal on the streets of the UK, just like crossbows, guns and many other things.
I was answering and asking 'what are they sold for' to this post . . .
*****You may not be aware but any privately owned e-scooters are not sold to "get people around" as they're illegal to use unless you have your own private estate maybe ??*******
And actually I used one in Salford not two days ago LEGALLY. And guess what I used it 'for getting around' As that was what is intended for its use.
You can use them if they are part of a council scheme and rented, other than that you can't use them on the roads"Oh really? Thanks for that information. | |||
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"How many people have been killed by e-scooters vs crossbows ? Should the sale of e-scooters be banned before crossbows ? You'd have to factor in how many people use e-scooters in public vs how many people fire a cross bow in public for it to be a fair comparison. Plus the cross bow is designed for shooting a bolt at stuff. E-scooters are designed to get people around. Indeed. And by the same measure all these whatabouters will think that legalising Heroin. Monkey dust and the like is okay too. After all, only criminals use them.
What a bizarre comment, hardly surprising ?
Of course e-scooters are not sold to get people around - I used one just yesterday for wallpapering. LMAO
This thread is getting more bizzare second by second.
Surely if they were sold to get people around then using them wouldn't be illegal, would it
Go on - tell me what they are sold for?
It is not the purpose it is where it is used that makes them illegal on the streets of the UK, just like crossbows, guns and many other things.
I was answering and asking 'what are they sold for' to this post . . .
*****You may not be aware but any privately owned e-scooters are not sold to "get people around" as they're illegal to use unless you have your own private estate maybe ??*******
And actually I used one in Salford not two days ago LEGALLY. And guess what I used it 'for getting around' As that was what is intended for its use.
You can use them if they are part of a council scheme and rented, other than that you can't use them on the roads
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"How many people have been killed by e-scooters vs crossbows ? Should the sale of e-scooters be banned before crossbows ? You'd have to factor in how many people use e-scooters in public vs how many people fire a cross bow in public for it to be a fair comparison. Plus the cross bow is designed for shooting a bolt at stuff. E-scooters are designed to get people around. Indeed. And by the same measure all these whatabouters will think that legalising Heroin. Monkey dust and the like is okay too. After all, only criminals use them.
What a bizarre comment, hardly surprising ?
Of course e-scooters are not sold to get people around - I used one just yesterday for wallpapering. LMAO
This thread is getting more bizzare second by second.
Surely if they were sold to get people around then using them wouldn't be illegal, would it
Go on - tell me what they are sold for?
It is not the purpose it is where it is used that makes them illegal on the streets of the UK, just like crossbows, guns and many other things.
I was answering and asking 'what are they sold for' to this post . . .
*****You may not be aware but any privately owned e-scooters are not sold to "get people around" as they're illegal to use unless you have your own private estate maybe ??*******
And actually I used one in Salford not two days ago LEGALLY. And guess what I used it 'for getting around' As that was what is intended for its use.
You can use them if they are part of a council scheme and rented, other than that you can't use them on the roads
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"And if they are banned and people caught with them, they will be prosecuted too. It's already illegal to carry a crossbow in public without a reasonable excuse and can result in up to 4 years imprisonment. Even death caused by a lunatic with a crossbow is horrific but context ... How many deaths have resulted from crossbows in the last 50 years ? I couldn't find a number ? There's other more pressing issues for parliament to discuss ?" There have been 15 incidents involving crossbows, that is in the last 24 years. But it doesn't say if the incidents included people being killed by the crossbow. | |||
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"I've owned a crossbow . Bought it off someone that had never gotten around to using it. Neither did I, due to lack of a safe place. It was indeed a lethal weapon. But not the easiest to use. a young man such as the one charged with the recent murders could have done the deed with almost anything he chose. Hammer, knife, petrol and lighter etc. Evil will find a way. Ban all you want. it'll make no difference. " It'll be very effective if the walking dead attack you, Daryl was quite proficient with his ?? | |||
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"I've owned a crossbow . Bought it off someone that had never gotten around to using it. Neither did I, due to lack of a safe place. It was indeed a lethal weapon. But not the easiest to use. a young man such as the one charged with the recent murders could have done the deed with almost anything he chose. Hammer, knife, petrol and lighter etc. Evil will find a way. Ban all you want. it'll make no difference. " Sorry disagree, its much harder to kill multiple targets with a knife or hammer. You have to be close, the victium has a chance to defend themselves but that would depend on the situation. People survice knife attacks, if stabbed and it misses vital organs then it can get stuck and the attacker loses grip. They can also miss and it gets caught in an open coat whoich again they will lose their grip. | |||
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"I've owned a crossbow . Bought it off someone that had never gotten around to using it. Neither did I, due to lack of a safe place. It was indeed a lethal weapon. But not the easiest to use. a young man such as the one charged with the recent murders could have done the deed with almost anything he chose. Hammer, knife, petrol and lighter etc. Evil will find a way. Ban all you want. it'll make no difference. Sorry disagree, its much harder to kill multiple targets with a knife or hammer. You have to be close, the victium has a chance to defend themselves but that would depend on the situation. People survice knife attacks, if stabbed and it misses vital organs then it can get stuck and the attacker loses grip. They can also miss and it gets caught in an open coat whoich again they will lose their grip." You're assuming the user is unskilled. Fair enough. And if I assume the crossbow user is equally unskilled? As was mentioned earlier, a hunting catapult using ball bearings would be much more effective. Easy to conceal and carry fast reload. | |||
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"I've owned a crossbow . Bought it off someone that had never gotten around to using it. Neither did I, due to lack of a safe place. It was indeed a lethal weapon. But not the easiest to use. a young man such as the one charged with the recent murders could have done the deed with almost anything he chose. Hammer, knife, petrol and lighter etc. Evil will find a way. Ban all you want. it'll make no difference. Sorry disagree, its much harder to kill multiple targets with a knife or hammer. You have to be close, the victium has a chance to defend themselves but that would depend on the situation. People survice knife attacks, if stabbed and it misses vital organs then it can get stuck and the attacker loses grip. They can also miss and it gets caught in an open coat whoich again they will lose their grip. You're assuming the user is unskilled. Fair enough. And if I assume the crossbow user is equally unskilled? As was mentioned earlier, a hunting catapult using ball bearings would be much more effective. Easy to conceal and carry fast reload. " Well yes, if you are skilled in knife fighting its held tight against the forearm and slashes are used so you don't lose it. Hard to defend! I have lived in Brixton for about 15 years and even though its the nice part you don't have to walk very far to the bad part! I hold 2 blacks belts and am always aware of my surroundings. If I am working late and something doesn't feel right I put my backpack which contains my laptop on my front and close my coat of I can. Legaly the only defence you can legaly carry is an alarm. I was trained to use kubaton which you used to be able to carry on a keyring as long as you could unscrew the top and it was a pen! That loophole was closed. However I keep my keys on a lanyard with a very heavy bike lock. One hit with a swing could give you an opening to run. I have witnessed 2 stabbings (gang war) and 2 kids attempted to rob me with a knife once. | |||
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"I was poster about catapults , adaption . Further to my post . I do also sea fishing . I have two at present what are described filleting knifes . Now these were purchased from yes online fishing tackle shop in UK. I did have to prove age. Now both knifes are same. A blade razor sharpe edge and other side serrated edge blade. I have measured blades and yes above legal limit . Both have supplied sheath with clip to prevent accidental damage to person and others ? I was actually while sea fishing this year asked to cover up knife by a police officer. I was fishing on public highway . Next to road and public footpath . My point is technically my knifes are illegal if not used for specific purpose . Cutting , filleting fish which I was using for. So do you ban these knifes also? " You cant ban all knives they are tools that people use every day you can only try to reduce risk. Like most people I have a massive kitchen knife using for chopping. Obviosly if I was caught carrying that around it would be hard to explain errrrr I'm a chef that takes his knives home every night????? You will never wipe out all crime, people have killed each other since the dawn of time. The Police just have to do the best they can to mitigate it | |||
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"The crossbow isnt the problem its the person intending to do harm, if a cross bow wasnt available then a spear might be the next choice so where does it stop?? Until the joe public has no way of protecting himself or family if needs be, thats what its all about " Ok what in your opinion would need to be put in place so that Joe public could protect himself? | |||
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"I've owned a crossbow . Bought it off someone that had never gotten around to using it. Neither did I, due to lack of a safe place. It was indeed a lethal weapon. But not the easiest to use. a young man such as the one charged with the recent murders could have done the deed with almost anything he chose. Hammer, knife, petrol and lighter etc. Evil will find a way. Ban all you want. it'll make no difference. Sorry disagree, its much harder to kill multiple targets with a knife or hammer. You have to be close, the victium has a chance to defend themselves but that would depend on the situation. People survice knife attacks, if stabbed and it misses vital organs then it can get stuck and the attacker loses grip. They can also miss and it gets caught in an open coat whoich again they will lose their grip. You're assuming the user is unskilled. Fair enough. And if I assume the crossbow user is equally unskilled? As was mentioned earlier, a hunting catapult using ball bearings would be much more effective. Easy to conceal and carry fast reload. Well yes, if you are skilled in knife fighting its held tight against the forearm and slashes are used so you don't lose it. Hard to defend! I have lived in Brixton for about 15 years and even though its the nice part you don't have to walk very far to the bad part! I hold 2 blacks belts and am always aware of my surroundings. If I am working late and something doesn't feel right I put my backpack which contains my laptop on my front and close my coat of I can. Legaly the only defence you can legaly carry is an alarm. I was trained to use kubaton which you used to be able to carry on a keyring as long as you could unscrew the top and it was a pen! That loophole was closed. However I keep my keys on a lanyard with a very heavy bike lock. One hit with a swing could give you an opening to run. I have witnessed 2 stabbings (gang war) and 2 kids attempted to rob me with a knife once." I also have ( had ?) A black belt in Karate ( useless for self defense). Trained to brown belt in street jiu jitsu that involved knife defence. Probably useless in reality. If I were in your situation I'd carry something heavy, as you do. Running is out of the question at my age lol. | |||
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"I've owned a crossbow . Bought it off someone that had never gotten around to using it. Neither did I, due to lack of a safe place. It was indeed a lethal weapon. But not the easiest to use. a young man such as the one charged with the recent murders could have done the deed with almost anything he chose. Hammer, knife, petrol and lighter etc. Evil will find a way. Ban all you want. it'll make no difference. Sorry disagree, its much harder to kill multiple targets with a knife or hammer. You have to be close, the victium has a chance to defend themselves but that would depend on the situation. People survice knife attacks, if stabbed and it misses vital organs then it can get stuck and the attacker loses grip. They can also miss and it gets caught in an open coat whoich again they will lose their grip. You're assuming the user is unskilled. Fair enough. And if I assume the crossbow user is equally unskilled? As was mentioned earlier, a hunting catapult using ball bearings would be much more effective. Easy to conceal and carry fast reload. Well yes, if you are skilled in knife fighting its held tight against the forearm and slashes are used so you don't lose it. Hard to defend! I have lived in Brixton for about 15 years and even though its the nice part you don't have to walk very far to the bad part! I hold 2 blacks belts and am always aware of my surroundings. If I am working late and something doesn't feel right I put my backpack which contains my laptop on my front and close my coat of I can. Legaly the only defence you can legaly carry is an alarm. I was trained to use kubaton which you used to be able to carry on a keyring as long as you could unscrew the top and it was a pen! That loophole was closed. However I keep my keys on a lanyard with a very heavy bike lock. One hit with a swing could give you an opening to run. I have witnessed 2 stabbings (gang war) and 2 kids attempted to rob me with a knife once. I also have ( had ?) A black belt in Karate ( useless for self defense). Trained to brown belt in street jiu jitsu that involved knife defence. Probably useless in reality. If I were in your situation I'd carry something heavy, as you do. Running is out of the question at my age lol. " Well regarding the martial arts it was more of training to be aware of your sourndings and try to anticipate possible trouble so you can avoid it. Yes jujitsu (one of my black belts) wouldn't be great as a self defence, going to the ground would be bad! I can honestly say I have never been in a fight outside of various freestyle competitions or kick boxing matches. If I had any trouble I was able to defuse it. Even it meant me apologising and offering to buy him a drink. Or even in one case I spoke to the bouncer and told him this guy was looking for a fight so if you see one it would be self defence. He looked over and by then he was harassing a girl than had rejected him so he got chucked out I used to get challenged quite a lot in Belfast due to my size. There was almost somebody that felt the need to tell me that bodybuilders can't fight. I just remained calm and agreed with him. If he persisted I still remained calm said I didn't want any trouble and offered him a drink. If all else failed I'd just get and calmly say OK fair enough let's step out and discuss this. You can then see the facial expressions change then his mind. The closest was myself and a friend who was ex forces got followed out of a club by two absolute giants angry at as for talking to some girls that they saw first??? We both knew that the diplomatic approach would work here so we just ran! | |||
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"The crossbow isnt the problem its the person intending to do harm, if a cross bow wasnt available then a spear might be the next choice so where does it stop?? Until the joe public has no way of protecting himself or family if needs be, thats what its all about A hand projected weapon and a mechanically projected weapon will never be comparable because of the speed and distance that damage can be performed with one versus other. If this guy only had a spear do you think he would have managed to kill all 3 people before being apprehended? " Who would carry a spear or even have the skill to use it? Not even sure who sells spears | |||
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"The crossbow isnt the problem its the person intending to do harm, if a cross bow wasnt available then a spear might be the next choice so where does it stop?? Until the joe public has no way of protecting himself or family if needs be, thats what its all about A hand projected weapon and a mechanically projected weapon will never be comparable because of the speed and distance that damage can be performed with one versus other. If this guy only had a spear do you think he would have managed to kill all 3 people before being apprehended? Who would carry a spear or even have the skill to use it? Not even sure who sells spears "London Bridge, 2 people lost their lives when a person using a Narwahl tusk attacked them at an event. Sadly most things can be used as weapons. | |||
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"The crossbow isnt the problem its the person intending to do harm, if a cross bow wasnt available then a spear might be the next choice so where does it stop?? Until the joe public has no way of protecting himself or family if needs be, thats what its all about A hand projected weapon and a mechanically projected weapon will never be comparable because of the speed and distance that damage can be performed with one versus other. If this guy only had a spear do you think he would have managed to kill all 3 people before being apprehended? Who would carry a spear or even have the skill to use it? Not even sure who sells spears
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"London Bridge, 2 people lost their lives when a person using a Narwahl tusk attacked them at an event. Sadly most things can be used as weapons. The attacker was carrying 2 knives. It was one of the 'defenders' that had the narwahl tusk." and had the attacker had a projectile weapon i suspect more than 2 would have lost their lives | |||
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"London Bridge, 2 people lost their lives when a person using a Narwahl tusk attacked them at an event. Sadly most things can be used as weapons. The attacker was carrying 2 knives. It was one of the 'defenders' that had the narwahl tusk." That’s my misunderstanding and thank you for the correction
The point I was trying to make I believe is still valid, anything can be used as a weapon
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"The crossbow isnt the problem its the person intending to do harm, if a cross bow wasnt available then a spear might be the next choice so where does it stop?? Until the joe public has no way of protecting himself or family if needs be, thats what its all about " Thats why I like the humble paintball gun, semi/fully auto, 300 solid training rounds, with in reason quite easy to get hold off. If you can get them over here, you can use the riot control pepper balls. I was told by a school teacher how to turn them into an improvised shotgun as well. | |||
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"Very simple really: All so-called hunting or sporting weapons should only be found in a Club of that type. The weapon/s should never be taken from that club to home or anywhere else unless supervised by that Club and the Club is operated by licence. Weapons of a certain power should be owned or operated by anyone who does not have a licence approved by the Police. Clubs should be open to monitoring at any time. Those found in breach of regulations should be closed down and individuals fined £50.000 or upwards and or prison. And yes, I know there will be underground ways of getting weapons. And they should receive 25 years for aggravated use of any." Glad you agree | |||
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"Very simple really: All so-called hunting or sporting weapons should only be found in a Club of that type. The weapon/s should never be taken from that club to home or anywhere else unless supervised by that Club and the Club is operated by licence. Weapons of a certain power should be owned or operated by anyone who does not have a licence approved by the Police. Clubs should be open to monitoring at any time. Those found in breach of regulations should be closed down and individuals fined £50.000 or upwards and or prison. And yes, I know there will be underground ways of getting weapons. And they should receive 25 years for aggravated use of any. Glad you agree" By CatEvolution OP Find posts by CatEvolution Couple 5 days ago atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke Very simple really: All so-called hunting or sporting weapons should only be found in a Club of that type. The weapon/s should never be taken from that club to home or anywhere else unless supervised by that Club and the Club is operated by licence. Weapons of a certain power should be owned or operated by anyone who does not have a licence approved by the Police. Clubs should be open to monitoring at any time. Those found in breach of regulations should be closed down and individuals fined £50.000 or upwards and or prison. And yes, I know there will be underground ways of getting weapons. And they should receive 25 years for aggravated use of any. I wrote that 5 days ago  | |||
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"Very simple really: All so-called hunting or sporting weapons should only be found in a Club of that type. The weapon/s should never be taken from that club to home or anywhere else unless supervised by that Club and the Club is operated by licence. Weapons of a certain power should be owned or operated by anyone who does not have a licence approved by the Police. Clubs should be open to monitoring at any time. Those found in breach of regulations should be closed down and individuals fined £50.000 or upwards and or prison. And yes, I know there will be underground ways of getting weapons. And they should receive 25 years for aggravated use of any. Glad you agree By CatEvolution OP Find posts by CatEvolution Couple 5 days ago atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke Very simple really: All so-called hunting or sporting weapons should only be found in a Club of that type. The weapon/s should never be taken from that club to home or anywhere else unless supervised by that Club and the Club is operated by licence. Weapons of a certain power should be owned or operated by anyone who does not have a licence approved by the Police. Clubs should be open to monitoring at any time. Those found in breach of regulations should be closed down and individuals fined £50.000 or upwards and or prison. And yes, I know there will be underground ways of getting weapons. And they should receive 25 years for aggravated use of any. I wrote that 5 days ago "Glad you agree | |||
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If you read the posts I didn't "So tell me then - what was I agreeing with you then? When you wrote, 'Glad you agree'? | |||
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If you read the posts I didn't
So tell me then - what was I agreeing with you then? When you wrote, 'Glad you agree'?
"I didn't say you agreed with ME, it was sarcasm, you clearly agree with yourself Quite the opposite You suggest Kier Starmer needs to take action I'm suggesting there's more important issues to discuss and gave an example of e-scooters (did you ever confirm who sold you the one you used legally on public property and wether it was the same one used for decorating ? ) | |||
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"Very simple really: All so-called hunting or sporting weapons should only be found in a Club of that type. The weapon/s should never be taken from that club to home or anywhere else unless supervised by that Club and the Club is operated by licence. Weapons of a certain power should be owned or operated by anyone who does not have a licence approved by the Police. Clubs should be open to monitoring at any time. Those found in breach of regulations should be closed down and individuals fined £50.000 or upwards and or prison. And yes, I know there will be underground ways of getting weapons. And they should receive 25 years for aggravated use of any. ______________________________ Glad you agree" ____________________________ And yet, clearly, you did say that. | |||
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"Very simple really: All so-called hunting or sporting weapons should only be found in a Club of that type. The weapon/s should never be taken from that club to home or anywhere else unless supervised by that Club and the Club is operated by licence. Weapons of a certain power should be owned or operated by anyone who does not have a licence approved by the Police. Clubs should be open to monitoring at any time. Those found in breach of regulations should be closed down and individuals fined £50.000 or upwards and or prison. And yes, I know there will be underground ways of getting weapons. And they should receive 25 years for aggravated use of any. ______________________________ Glad you agree ____________________________ And yet, clearly, you did say that. " And clearly glad that you agree (with yourself) Or your welcome to quote the post that agrees  | |||
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"Very simple really: All so-called hunting or sporting weapons should only be found in a Club of that type. The weapon/s should never be taken from that club to home or anywhere else unless supervised by that Club and the Club is operated by licence. Weapons of a certain power should be owned or operated by anyone who does not have a licence approved by the Police. Clubs should be open to monitoring at any time. Those found in breach of regulations should be closed down and individuals fined £50.000 or upwards and or prison. And yes, I know there will be underground ways of getting weapons. And they should receive 25 years for aggravated use of any. ______________________________ Glad you agree ____________________________ And yet, clearly, you did say that. And clearly glad that you agree (with yourself) Or your welcome to quote the post that agrees "I just did - above.
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"Very simple really: All so-called hunting or sporting weapons should only be found in a Club of that type. The weapon/s should never be taken from that club to home or anywhere else unless supervised by that Club and the Club is operated by licence. Weapons of a certain power should be owned or operated by anyone who does not have a licence approved by the Police. Clubs should be open to monitoring at any time. Those found in breach of regulations should be closed down and individuals fined £50.000 or upwards and or prison. And yes, I know there will be underground ways of getting weapons. And they should receive 25 years for aggravated use of any. ______________________________ Glad you agree ____________________________ And yet, clearly, you did say that. And clearly glad that you agree (with yourself) Or your welcome to quote the post that agrees
I just did - above.
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"The crossbow isnt the problem its the person intending to do harm, if a cross bow wasnt available then a spear might be the next choice so where does it stop?? Until the joe public has no way of protecting himself or family if needs be, thats what its all about Thats why I like the humble paintball gun, semi/fully auto, 300 solid training rounds, with in reason quite easy to get hold off. If you can get them over here, you can use the riot control pepper balls. I was told by a school teacher how to turn them into an improvised shotgun as well. Do you have a point here? are you implying that you can use this as as some form of defence? " Of course I do, not much is said about paintball guns. Ok anything over 180 fps muzzle velocity is a firearm offence, but they generally get over looked as every paintball site gun kicks out roughly 250 fps. | |||
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"What would be next? Cars? ... A car is licensed and operated by those with a licence and penalties for killing by car are already on the statute book. And please don't answer with 'what next peanuts?' Ok let's also ban the use of hammers without regulations/licence. At least 4 knows serial killers used hammers to dispatch their victims... Those who use weapons to hunt (bow /crossbow/ rifle/ knife) are not the issue .. random psycho are they will use whatever tool is available to achieve their end goal .. " Sutcliffe used a hammer, let’s ban em all! | |||
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"What would be next? Cars? ... A car is licensed and operated by those with a licence and penalties for killing by car are already on the statute book. And please don't answer with 'what next peanuts?' Ok let's also ban the use of hammers without regulations/licence. At least 4 knows serial killers used hammers to dispatch their victims... Those who use weapons to hunt (bow /crossbow/ rifle/ knife) are not the issue .. random psycho are they will use whatever tool is available to achieve their end goal .. Sutcliffe used a hammer, let’s ban em all!" You are being ridiculous. Pretty much anything in the wrong hands can be used as a weapon. What we are talking about is banning things that have one purpose only and that's to kill or seriously injure. A crossbow fit's this category. Banning knives well obviously not all knives but no one needs a ten inch hunting knife in this country with the exception of possibly military or a Forrest ranger, banning the sale of these zombie knives they are ridiculous and have no place in the world. Machete why would anyone other than perhaps tree felling would you need one in the UK? So yes ban weapons banning tool's is ridiculous and wouldn't be possible. | |||
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" Sutcliffe used a hammer, let’s ban em all!" Well,If I happened to be a criminal psychology profiler, I would probably pay more attention to someone having an interest in crossbow ownership than in hammer ownership! | |||
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"The crossbow isnt the problem its the person intending to do harm, if a cross bow wasnt available then a spear might be the next choice so where does it stop?? Until the joe public has no way of protecting himself or family if needs be, thats what its all about Thats why I like the humble paintball gun, semi/fully auto, 300 solid training rounds, with in reason quite easy to get hold off. If you can get them over here, you can use the riot control pepper balls. I was told by a school teacher how to turn them into an improvised shotgun as well. Do you have a point here? are you implying that you can use this as as some form of defence? Of course I do, not much is said about paintball guns. Ok anything over 180 fps muzzle velocity is a firearm offence, but they generally get over looked as every paintball site gun kicks out roughly 250 fps." I thought this thread would be over! are you actually for real? Ok anyone can purchase a paint ball gun in the UK and it isn't really reguated. However posession of a modified one is illegal and possion of it wilt illegal ammo such as copper balls is also not allowed. You cannot carry a paint ball gun around with you for self defense. The only 100% legal defence device you can carry in the UK is an alarm. Don't take my word for it, carry one around after a night out and if confronted shoot him in the face! You'll not get Fab in prison | |||
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