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"I wonder whether the need for IDs has made a difference in turn out. My guess is yes. I reckon we will have a lower turn out than 2019 which was 63.7%" 67.3% oops  | |||
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"The low turnout will be due in the main to tory voters refusing to vote. Those tory voters that do go out to vote will put their X elsewhere, and only hardcore tory voters will vote tory. The country is predominantly conservative, for another party to win will always be attributed to a low turnout." given we are told that the youth need to get off their arse and vote, I'm not sure you can argue that so much. | |||
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"The low turnout will be due in the main to tory voters refusing to vote. Those tory voters that do go out to vote will put their X elsewhere, and only hardcore tory voters will vote tory. The country is predominantly conservative, for another party to win will always be attributed to a low turnout.given we are told that the youth need to get off their arse and vote, I'm not sure you can argue that so much. " The vote count is pretty much indicating my initial post, although that could change. We will no doubt discuss this point further once the dust settles | |||
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"The low turnout will be due in the main to tory voters refusing to vote. Those tory voters that do go out to vote will put their X elsewhere, and only hardcore tory voters will vote tory. The country is predominantly conservative, for another party to win will always be attributed to a low turnout.given we are told that the youth need to get off their arse and vote, I'm not sure you can argue that so much. The vote count is pretty much indicating my initial post, although that could change. We will no doubt discuss this point further once the dust settles " I'd agree it's a lower turnout and that's gonna hit Tories. But that doesn't mean the country is conservative. The perennial non voters may not be conservative especially of they tend to be young. | |||
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"What’s wrong with having to have or carry id when you go on holiday you have to show to book in hotels to change money some places make you carry them always so what’s wrong with them I for one have no problem carrying id" Other countries make their own rules and laws, often in relation to their experience The UK has no voting fraud experience that justifies this significant change that has cost a lot to implement and manage. Many people have no ID as the UK, unlike other countries, has no requirement for citizen ID | |||
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"I wonder whether the need for IDs has made a difference in turn out. My guess is yes. I reckon we will have a lower turn out than 2019 which was 63.7%" Why would it make a difference? We all voted, including our 18 year old daughter. She just took her driving license, but could have used her passport. What's the problem? | |||
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"I wonder whether the need for IDs has made a difference in turn out. My guess is yes. I reckon we will have a lower turn out than 2019 which was 63.7% Why would it make a difference? We all voted, including our 18 year old daughter. She just took her driving license, but could have used her passport. What's the problem?" You don't find issues that may affect the percentage of electorate actually turning out to vote interesting? | |||
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"I wonder whether the need for IDs has made a difference in turn out. My guess is yes. I reckon we will have a lower turn out than 2019 which was 63.7%" "Why would it make a difference? We all voted, including our 18 year old daughter. She just took her driving license, but could have used her passport. What's the problem?" "You don't find issues that may affect the percentage of electorate actually turning out to vote interesting?" I don't see that it does affect the percentage of voters turning out Having had to apply for a Voter Authority Certificate, the process is: take a photo of yourself, upload it to the website, enter name and address, press send. It turns up a week later in the post. Given that libraries offer free internet access, there's no barrier to anyone getting their ID. | |||
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"The low turnout will be due in the main to tory voters refusing to vote. Those tory voters that do go out to vote will put their X elsewhere, and only hardcore tory voters will vote tory. The country is predominantly conservative, for another party to win will always be attributed to a low turnout.given we are told that the youth need to get off their arse and vote, I'm not sure you can argue that so much. The vote count is pretty much indicating my initial post, although that could change. We will no doubt discuss this point further once the dust settles I'd agree it's a lower turnout and that's gonna hit Tories. But that doesn't mean the country is conservative. The perennial non voters may not be conservative especially of they tend to be young. " The country has generally voted for conservative leadership over others around 33% more since 1900, obviously not at this GE.  | |||
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"Generally it’s the poor who live in deprived areas who don’t have access to ID. They don’t have a driving licence or a passport and chances are the local library is closed. Access to facilities or in fact knowledge on options is worse than many realise. The conservatives knew it was more than likely the poor would fail to have ID and therefore be less able to vote Labour. It’s a US Republican playbook to remove people’s engagement. There was no issue regarding voter fraud in the U.K. so it was a fake solution to a non existent problem. " This is rather a lot of assumption | |||
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"Generally it’s the poor who live in deprived areas who don’t have access to ID. They don’t have a driving licence or a passport and chances are the local library is closed. Access to facilities or in fact knowledge on options is worse than many realise. The conservatives knew it was more than likely the poor would fail to have ID and therefore be less able to vote Labour. It’s a US Republican playbook to remove people’s engagement. There was no issue regarding voter fraud in the U.K. so it was a fake solution to a non existent problem. This is rather a lot of assumption" Actually stats do back that up. I seem to recall that you can count the number of cases of voter fraud on a two fingered glove. Let’s be honest here. Voter ID and Boundary changes were all Tory Tinkering to favour them. Hasn’t worked clearly! | |||
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"Generally it’s the poor who live in deprived areas who don’t have access to ID. They don’t have a driving licence or a passport and chances are the local library is closed. Access to facilities or in fact knowledge on options is worse than many realise. The conservatives knew it was more than likely the poor would fail to have ID and therefore be less able to vote Labour. It’s a US Republican playbook to remove people’s engagement. There was no issue regarding voter fraud in the U.K. so it was a fake solution to a non existent problem. This is rather a lot of assumption Actually stats do back that up. I seem to recall that you can count the number of cases of voter fraud on a two fingered glove. Let’s be honest here. Voter ID and Boundary changes were all Tory Tinkering to favour them. Hasn’t worked clearly!" Voter ID can be provided for free, it has nothing to do with underhand vote rigging, that is simply people going left field and jumping on the rumour mill. | |||
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"Generally it’s the poor who live in deprived areas who don’t have access to ID. They don’t have a driving licence or a passport and chances are the local library is closed. Access to facilities or in fact knowledge on options is worse than many realise. The conservatives knew it was more than likely the poor would fail to have ID and therefore be less able to vote Labour. It’s a US Republican playbook to remove people’s engagement. There was no issue regarding voter fraud in the U.K. so it was a fake solution to a non existent problem. This is rather a lot of assumption Actually stats do back that up. I seem to recall that you can count the number of cases of voter fraud on a two fingered glove. Let’s be honest here. Voter ID and Boundary changes were all Tory Tinkering to favour them. Hasn’t worked clearly! Voter ID can be provided for free, it has nothing to do with underhand vote rigging, that is simply people going left field and jumping on the rumour mill. " No! That was the reason the Tories used to introduce it. A non-issue they made up. And the people least likely to vote are poorer who also happen to be least likely to have a passport or driving licence and most likely to be put off voting if it isn’t really easy and they have to do something (like apply for ID). | |||
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"Generally it’s the poor who live in deprived areas who don’t have access to ID. They don’t have a driving licence or a passport and chances are the local library is closed. Access to facilities or in fact knowledge on options is worse than many realise. The conservatives knew it was more than likely the poor would fail to have ID and therefore be less able to vote Labour. It’s a US Republican playbook to remove people’s engagement. There was no issue regarding voter fraud in the U.K. so it was a fake solution to a non existent problem. This is rather a lot of assumption" I’m a volunteer non executive director of a large charity. So no it’s not assumptions it’s personal knowledge from first hand experience. It’s is a sneaky underhand exploitation of the less well off. I’ll repeat, there has been no major voting fraud in the U.K. Why was it so important to fix a non existent problem? The misleading of the public by our politicians is a fundamental example of the truly rotten state of our politics. I’m pointing at all parties. | |||
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"Generally it’s the poor who live in deprived areas who don’t have access to ID. They don’t have a driving licence or a passport and chances are the local library is closed. Access to facilities or in fact knowledge on options is worse than many realise. The conservatives knew it was more than likely the poor would fail to have ID and therefore be less able to vote Labour. It’s a US Republican playbook to remove people’s engagement. There was no issue regarding voter fraud in the U.K. so it was a fake solution to a non existent problem. This is rather a lot of assumption I’m a volunteer non executive director of a large charity. So no it’s not assumptions it’s personal knowledge from first hand experience. It’s is a sneaky underhand exploitation of the less well off. I’ll repeat, there has been no major voting fraud in the U.K. Why was it so important to fix a non existent problem? The misleading of the public by our politicians is a fundamental example of the truly rotten state of our politics. I’m pointing at all parties. " Charity is hardly unbiased is it? You are making assumptions and there are plenty of council, government and charities that are geared up to offering free ID. | |||
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"Generally it’s the poor who live in deprived areas who don’t have access to ID. They don’t have a driving licence or a passport and chances are the local library is closed. Access to facilities or in fact knowledge on options is worse than many realise. The conservatives knew it was more than likely the poor would fail to have ID and therefore be less able to vote Labour. It’s a US Republican playbook to remove people’s engagement. There was no issue regarding voter fraud in the U.K. so it was a fake solution to a non existent problem. This is rather a lot of assumption Actually stats do back that up. I seem to recall that you can count the number of cases of voter fraud on a two fingered glove. Let’s be honest here. Voter ID and Boundary changes were all Tory Tinkering to favour them. Hasn’t worked clearly! Voter ID can be provided for free, it has nothing to do with underhand vote rigging, that is simply people going left field and jumping on the rumour mill. No! That was the reason the Tories used to introduce it. A non-issue they made up. And the people least likely to vote are poorer who also happen to be least likely to have a passport or driving licence and most likely to be put off voting if it isn’t really easy and they have to do something (like apply for ID)." Most likely? | |||
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"I wonder whether the need for IDs has made a difference in turn out. My guess is yes. I reckon we will have a lower turn out than 2019 which was 63.7%" I tend to agree with you as a generalisation, it is a ludicrous system that means democracy is hinged on a bit of filment paper. | |||
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"Generally it’s the poor who live in deprived areas who don’t have access to ID. They don’t have a driving licence or a passport and chances are the local library is closed. Access to facilities or in fact knowledge on options is worse than many realise. The conservatives knew it was more than likely the poor would fail to have ID and therefore be less able to vote Labour. It’s a US Republican playbook to remove people’s engagement. There was no issue regarding voter fraud in the U.K. so it was a fake solution to a non existent problem. This is rather a lot of assumption I’m a volunteer non executive director of a large charity. So no it’s not assumptions it’s personal knowledge from first hand experience. It’s is a sneaky underhand exploitation of the less well off. I’ll repeat, there has been no major voting fraud in the U.K. Why was it so important to fix a non existent problem? The misleading of the public by our politicians is a fundamental example of the truly rotten state of our politics. I’m pointing at all parties. " All of this! A friend of ours was volunteering at our polling station yesterday. They said turnout among younger people was higher than they'd noticed in previous elections. Also they'd had to turn away mostly older, Tory leaning, voters who showed up with no ID and refused to return with it. Seems like the ID requirement to dissuade the young and the poor was a bit of an own goal | |||
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"Generally it’s the poor who live in deprived areas who don’t have access to ID. They don’t have a driving licence or a passport and chances are the local library is closed. Access to facilities or in fact knowledge on options is worse than many realise. The conservatives knew it was more than likely the poor would fail to have ID and therefore be less able to vote Labour. It’s a US Republican playbook to remove people’s engagement. There was no issue regarding voter fraud in the U.K. so it was a fake solution to a non existent problem. This is rather a lot of assumption I’m a volunteer non executive director of a large charity. So no it’s not assumptions it’s personal knowledge from first hand experience. It’s is a sneaky underhand exploitation of the less well off. I’ll repeat, there has been no major voting fraud in the U.K. Why was it so important to fix a non existent problem? The misleading of the public by our politicians is a fundamental example of the truly rotten state of our politics. I’m pointing at all parties. All of this! A friend of ours was volunteering at our polling station yesterday. They said turnout among younger people was higher than they'd noticed in previous elections. Also they'd had to turn away mostly older, Tory leaning, voters who showed up with no ID and refused to return with it. Seems like the ID requirement to dissuade the young and the poor was a bit of an own goal "What your friend saw was change not being adapted by older people as quickly as the younger generations, which is normal. It will bed in... | |||
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"Generally it’s the poor who live in deprived areas who don’t have access to ID. They don’t have a driving licence or a passport and chances are the local library is closed. Access to facilities or in fact knowledge on options is worse than many realise. The conservatives knew it was more than likely the poor would fail to have ID and therefore be less able to vote Labour. It’s a US Republican playbook to remove people’s engagement. There was no issue regarding voter fraud in the U.K. so it was a fake solution to a non existent problem. This is rather a lot of assumption I’m a volunteer non executive director of a large charity. So no it’s not assumptions it’s personal knowledge from first hand experience. It’s is a sneaky underhand exploitation of the less well off. I’ll repeat, there has been no major voting fraud in the U.K. Why was it so important to fix a non existent problem? The misleading of the public by our politicians is a fundamental example of the truly rotten state of our politics. I’m pointing at all parties. Charity is hardly unbiased is it? You are making assumptions and there are plenty of council, government and charities that are geared up to offering free ID. " Bias is not relevant in relation to actual facts. The first hand knowledge of unbelievable deprivation in this so called rich country is actually shocking. Of course there are those who play the system just as those top 1% who play the tax avoidance system but to ignore the very real fact of how a great many people live in this country by saying it’s ok there are charities is very uncharitable of you. 
Through my role I have encountered uneducated poor people who are not benefit cheats or scroungers or work shy they just fall through the system snd now due to scathing cutbacks there is no safety net.
The old charitable trust donators are overwhelmed with requests and can’t cope. Recently one government pot of £7m was offered towards mental health charities. That’s 10p per person in the UK for reference.
Thousands of charities applied and as you’d expect most failed.
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"Generally it’s the poor who live in deprived areas who don’t have access to ID. They don’t have a driving licence or a passport and chances are the local library is closed. Access to facilities or in fact knowledge on options is worse than many realise. The conservatives knew it was more than likely the poor would fail to have ID and therefore be less able to vote Labour. It’s a US Republican playbook to remove people’s engagement. There was no issue regarding voter fraud in the U.K. so it was a fake solution to a non existent problem. This is rather a lot of assumption I’m a volunteer non executive director of a large charity. So no it’s not assumptions it’s personal knowledge from first hand experience. It’s is a sneaky underhand exploitation of the less well off. I’ll repeat, there has been no major voting fraud in the U.K. Why was it so important to fix a non existent problem? The misleading of the public by our politicians is a fundamental example of the truly rotten state of our politics. I’m pointing at all parties. Charity is hardly unbiased is it? You are making assumptions and there are plenty of council, government and charities that are geared up to offering free ID. Bias is not relevant in relation to actual facts. The first hand knowledge of unbelievable deprivation in this so called rich country is actually shocking. Of course there are those who play the system just as those top 1% who play the tax avoidance system but to ignore the very real fact of how a great many people live in this country by saying it’s ok there are charities is very uncharitable of you.
Through my role I have encountered uneducated poor people who are not benefit cheats or scroungers or work shy they just fall through the system snd now due to scathing cutbacks there is no safety net.
The old charitable trust donators are overwhelmed with requests and can’t cope. Recently one government pot of £7m was offered towards mental health charities. That’s 10p per person in the UK for reference.
Thousands of charities applied and as you’d expect most failed.
"I'm not questioning your charitable credentials, or how hard people are finding things right now. I simply do not agree with the conspiracies around voter ID. It will level out and change takes a while to settle in. | |||
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"Generally it’s the poor who live in deprived areas who don’t have access to ID. They don’t have a driving licence or a passport and chances are the local library is closed. Access to facilities or in fact knowledge on options is worse than many realise. The conservatives knew it was more than likely the poor would fail to have ID and therefore be less able to vote Labour. It’s a US Republican playbook to remove people’s engagement. There was no issue regarding voter fraud in the U.K. so it was a fake solution to a non existent problem. This is rather a lot of assumption Actually stats do back that up. I seem to recall that you can count the number of cases of voter fraud on a two fingered glove. Let’s be honest here. Voter ID and Boundary changes were all Tory Tinkering to favour them. Hasn’t worked clearly! Voter ID can be provided for free, it has nothing to do with underhand vote rigging, that is simply people going left field and jumping on the rumour mill. No! That was the reason the Tories used to introduce it. A non-issue they made up. And the people least likely to vote are poorer who also happen to be least likely to have a passport or driving licence and most likely to be put off voting if it isn’t really easy and they have to do something (like apply for ID). Most likely? " Yes. The group least likely to have passports or driving licences align with those also least likely to vote. The last thing they need is any kind of barrier requiring them to actually need to do something (apply for ID even if free, still takes time) to enable them to do something (vote) they often don’t bother to do (for various reasons). If you add friction into a process it restricts the flow of the process. This was a cynical ploy by the Tories that only favoured them. | |||
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"I wonder whether the need for IDs has made a difference in turn out. My guess is yes. I reckon we will have a lower turn out than 2019 which was 63.7% Why would it make a difference? We all voted, including our 18 year old daughter. She just took her driving license, but could have used her passport. What's the problem? You don't find issues that may affect the percentage of electorate actually turning out to vote interesting? I don't see that it does affect the percentage of voters turning out Having had to apply for a Voter Authority Certificate, the process is: take a photo of yourself, upload it to the website, enter name and address, press send. It turns up a week later in the post. Given that libraries offer free internet access, there's no barrier to anyone getting their ID." did you apply out of curiosity or do you not have any form of ID otherwise ? | |||
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"Generally it’s the poor who live in deprived areas who don’t have access to ID. They don’t have a driving licence or a passport and chances are the local library is closed. Access to facilities or in fact knowledge on options is worse than many realise. The conservatives knew it was more than likely the poor would fail to have ID and therefore be less able to vote Labour. It’s a US Republican playbook to remove people’s engagement. There was no issue regarding voter fraud in the U.K. so it was a fake solution to a non existent problem. This is rather a lot of assumption Actually stats do back that up. I seem to recall that you can count the number of cases of voter fraud on a two fingered glove. Let’s be honest here. Voter ID and Boundary changes were all Tory Tinkering to favour them. Hasn’t worked clearly! Voter ID can be provided for free, it has nothing to do with underhand vote rigging, that is simply people going left field and jumping on the rumour mill. No! That was the reason the Tories used to introduce it. A non-issue they made up. And the people least likely to vote are poorer who also happen to be least likely to have a passport or driving licence and most likely to be put off voting if it isn’t really easy and they have to do something (like apply for ID). Most likely? Yes. The group least likely to have passports or driving licences align with those also least likely to vote. The last thing they need is any kind of barrier requiring them to actually need to do something (apply for ID even if free, still takes time) to enable them to do something (vote) they often don’t bother to do (for various reasons). If you add friction into a process it restricts the flow of the process. This was a cynical ploy by the Tories that only favoured them." What you are saying the group less likely to vote at all are less likely to vote even more because they now need ID? If that is what you see as a barrier to making voting a little more secure, great | |||
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"Generally it’s the poor who live in deprived areas who don’t have access to ID. They don’t have a driving licence or a passport and chances are the local library is closed. Access to facilities or in fact knowledge on options is worse than many realise. The conservatives knew it was more than likely the poor would fail to have ID and therefore be less able to vote Labour. It’s a US Republican playbook to remove people’s engagement. There was no issue regarding voter fraud in the U.K. so it was a fake solution to a non existent problem. This is rather a lot of assumption Actually stats do back that up. I seem to recall that you can count the number of cases of voter fraud on a two fingered glove. Let’s be honest here. Voter ID and Boundary changes were all Tory Tinkering to favour them. Hasn’t worked clearly! Voter ID can be provided for free, it has nothing to do with underhand vote rigging, that is simply people going left field and jumping on the rumour mill. No! That was the reason the Tories used to introduce it. A non-issue they made up. And the people least likely to vote are poorer who also happen to be least likely to have a passport or driving licence and most likely to be put off voting if it isn’t really easy and they have to do something (like apply for ID). Most likely? Yes. The group least likely to have passports or driving licences align with those also least likely to vote. The last thing they need is any kind of barrier requiring them to actually need to do something (apply for ID even if free, still takes time) to enable them to do something (vote) they often don’t bother to do (for various reasons). If you add friction into a process it restricts the flow of the process. This was a cynical ploy by the Tories that only favoured them. What you are saying the group less likely to vote at all are less likely to vote even more because they now need ID? If that is what you see as a barrier to making voting a little more secure, great "A) No evidence voting needed to be made more secure. B) Surely we should want to encourage more people to take part in our democratic process not dissuade them and have less? | |||
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"Generally it’s the poor who live in deprived areas who don’t have access to ID. They don’t have a driving licence or a passport and chances are the local library is closed. Access to facilities or in fact knowledge on options is worse than many realise. The conservatives knew it was more than likely the poor would fail to have ID and therefore be less able to vote Labour. It’s a US Republican playbook to remove people’s engagement. There was no issue regarding voter fraud in the U.K. so it was a fake solution to a non existent problem. This is rather a lot of assumption I’m a volunteer non executive director of a large charity. So no it’s not assumptions it’s personal knowledge from first hand experience. It’s is a sneaky underhand exploitation of the less well off. I’ll repeat, there has been no major voting fraud in the U.K. Why was it so important to fix a non existent problem? The misleading of the public by our politicians is a fundamental example of the truly rotten state of our politics. I’m pointing at all parties. Charity is hardly unbiased is it? You are making assumptions and there are plenty of council, government and charities that are geared up to offering free ID. Bias is not relevant in relation to actual facts. The first hand knowledge of unbelievable deprivation in this so called rich country is actually shocking. Of course there are those who play the system just as those top 1% who play the tax avoidance system but to ignore the very real fact of how a great many people live in this country by saying it’s ok there are charities is very uncharitable of you.
Through my role I have encountered uneducated poor people who are not benefit cheats or scroungers or work shy they just fall through the system snd now due to scathing cutbacks there is no safety net.
The old charitable trust donators are overwhelmed with requests and can’t cope. Recently one government pot of £7m was offered towards mental health charities. That’s 10p per person in the UK for reference.
Thousands of charities applied and as you’d expect most failed.
I'm not questioning your charitable credentials, or how hard people are finding things right now.
I simply do not agree with the conspiracies around voter ID. It will level out and change takes a while to settle in.
"I respect your view but still cannot square the circle of a move which by default will exclude the more disadvantaged of society. Especially as there was no issue around fraud by voters. Interestingly any larger scale fraud found in this country has been after ballots have been returned so nothing to do with the voting process. Wouldn’t it be a better option to spend the money wasted on the new ID system on a larger donation around that mental health pot? It’s populist politics aimed at reaffirming people ignorant bias . Blame the cheats , blame the boats , blame the EU , they have run out of people to blame and run out of distraction ideas. Dead cat anyone? | |||
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"Generally it’s the poor who live in deprived areas who don’t have access to ID. They don’t have a driving licence or a passport and chances are the local library is closed. Access to facilities or in fact knowledge on options is worse than many realise. The conservatives knew it was more than likely the poor would fail to have ID and therefore be less able to vote Labour. It’s a US Republican playbook to remove people’s engagement. There was no issue regarding voter fraud in the U.K. so it was a fake solution to a non existent problem. This is rather a lot of assumption I’m a volunteer non executive director of a large charity. So no it’s not assumptions it’s personal knowledge from first hand experience. It’s is a sneaky underhand exploitation of the less well off. I’ll repeat, there has been no major voting fraud in the U.K. Why was it so important to fix a non existent problem? The misleading of the public by our politicians is a fundamental example of the truly rotten state of our politics. I’m pointing at all parties. Charity is hardly unbiased is it? You are making assumptions and there are plenty of council, government and charities that are geared up to offering free ID. Bias is not relevant in relation to actual facts. The first hand knowledge of unbelievable deprivation in this so called rich country is actually shocking. Of course there are those who play the system just as those top 1% who play the tax avoidance system but to ignore the very real fact of how a great many people live in this country by saying it’s ok there are charities is very uncharitable of you.
Through my role I have encountered uneducated poor people who are not benefit cheats or scroungers or work shy they just fall through the system snd now due to scathing cutbacks there is no safety net.
The old charitable trust donators are overwhelmed with requests and can’t cope. Recently one government pot of £7m was offered towards mental health charities. That’s 10p per person in the UK for reference.
Thousands of charities applied and as you’d expect most failed.
I'm not questioning your charitable credentials, or how hard people are finding things right now.
I simply do not agree with the conspiracies around voter ID. It will level out and change takes a while to settle in.
I respect your view but still cannot square the circle of a move which by default will exclude the more disadvantaged of society.
Especially as there was no issue around fraud by voters.
Interestingly any larger scale fraud found in this country has been after ballots have been returned so nothing to do with the voting process.
Wouldn’t it be a better option to spend the money wasted on the new ID system on a larger donation around that mental health pot?
It’s populist politics aimed at reaffirming people ignorant bias . Blame the cheats , blame the boats , blame the EU , they have run out of people to blame and run out of distraction ideas.
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"Generally it’s the poor who live in deprived areas who don’t have access to ID. They don’t have a driving licence or a passport and chances are the local library is closed. Access to facilities or in fact knowledge on options is worse than many realise. The conservatives knew it was more than likely the poor would fail to have ID and therefore be less able to vote Labour. It’s a US Republican playbook to remove people’s engagement. There was no issue regarding voter fraud in the U.K. so it was a fake solution to a non existent problem. This is rather a lot of assumption I’m a volunteer non executive director of a large charity. So no it’s not assumptions it’s personal knowledge from first hand experience. It’s is a sneaky underhand exploitation of the less well off. I’ll repeat, there has been no major voting fraud in the U.K. Why was it so important to fix a non existent problem? The misleading of the public by our politicians is a fundamental example of the truly rotten state of our politics. I’m pointing at all parties. Charity is hardly unbiased is it? You are making assumptions and there are plenty of council, government and charities that are geared up to offering free ID. Bias is not relevant in relation to actual facts. The first hand knowledge of unbelievable deprivation in this so called rich country is actually shocking. Of course there are those who play the system just as those top 1% who play the tax avoidance system but to ignore the very real fact of how a great many people live in this country by saying it’s ok there are charities is very uncharitable of you.
Through my role I have encountered uneducated poor people who are not benefit cheats or scroungers or work shy they just fall through the system snd now due to scathing cutbacks there is no safety net.
The old charitable trust donators are overwhelmed with requests and can’t cope. Recently one government pot of £7m was offered towards mental health charities. That’s 10p per person in the UK for reference.
Thousands of charities applied and as you’d expect most failed.
I'm not questioning your charitable credentials, or how hard people are finding things right now.
I simply do not agree with the conspiracies around voter ID. It will level out and change takes a while to settle in.
I respect your view but still cannot square the circle of a move which by default will exclude the more disadvantaged of society.
Especially as there was no issue around fraud by voters.
Interestingly any larger scale fraud found in this country has been after ballots have been returned so nothing to do with the voting process.
Wouldn’t it be a better option to spend the money wasted on the new ID system on a larger donation around that mental health pot?
It’s populist politics aimed at reaffirming people ignorant bias . Blame the cheats , blame the boats , blame the EU , they have run out of people to blame and run out of distraction ideas.
Dead cat anyone?
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"did you apply out of curiosity or do you not have any form of ID otherwise ?" I have the usual forms of ID, but my appearance has changed significantly since they were created, so I got a VAC just to be sure there were no issues at the polling station. | |||
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"Generally it’s the poor who live in deprived areas who don’t have access to ID. They don’t have a driving licence or a passport and chances are the local library is closed. Access to facilities or in fact knowledge on options is worse than many realise. The conservatives knew it was more than likely the poor would fail to have ID and therefore be less able to vote Labour. It’s a US Republican playbook to remove people’s engagement. There was no issue regarding voter fraud in the U.K. so it was a fake solution to a non existent problem. This is rather a lot of assumption I’m a volunteer non executive director of a large charity. So no it’s not assumptions it’s personal knowledge from first hand experience. It’s is a sneaky underhand exploitation of the less well off. I’ll repeat, there has been no major voting fraud in the U.K. Why was it so important to fix a non existent problem? The misleading of the public by our politicians is a fundamental example of the truly rotten state of our politics. I’m pointing at all parties. Charity is hardly unbiased is it? You are making assumptions and there are plenty of council, government and charities that are geared up to offering free ID. Bias is not relevant in relation to actual facts. The first hand knowledge of unbelievable deprivation in this so called rich country is actually shocking. Of course there are those who play the system just as those top 1% who play the tax avoidance system but to ignore the very real fact of how a great many people live in this country by saying it’s ok there are charities is very uncharitable of you.
Through my role I have encountered uneducated poor people who are not benefit cheats or scroungers or work shy they just fall through the system snd now due to scathing cutbacks there is no safety net.
The old charitable trust donators are overwhelmed with requests and can’t cope. Recently one government pot of £7m was offered towards mental health charities. That’s 10p per person in the UK for reference.
Thousands of charities applied and as you’d expect most failed.
I'm not questioning your charitable credentials, or how hard people are finding things right now.
I simply do not agree with the conspiracies around voter ID. It will level out and change takes a while to settle in.
I respect your view but still cannot square the circle of a move which by default will exclude the more disadvantaged of society.
Especially as there was no issue around fraud by voters.
Interestingly any larger scale fraud found in this country has been after ballots have been returned so nothing to do with the voting process.
Wouldn’t it be a better option to spend the money wasted on the new ID system on a larger donation around that mental health pot?
It’s populist politics aimed at reaffirming people ignorant bias . Blame the cheats , blame the boats , blame the EU , they have run out of people to blame and run out of distraction ideas.
Dead cat anyone?
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"did you apply out of curiosity or do you not have any form of ID otherwise ? I have the usual forms of ID, but my appearance has changed significantly since they were created, so I got a VAC just to be sure there were no issues at the polling station." Still using fab pictures hey | |||
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"I wonder whether the need for IDs has made a difference in turn out. My guess is yes. I reckon we will have a lower turn out than 2019 which was 63.7% Why would it make a difference? We all voted, including our 18 year old daughter. She just took her driving license, but could have used her passport. What's the problem? You don't find issues that may affect the percentage of electorate actually turning out to vote interesting? " I can't understand the problem. Everyone we know has ID. If they did't, then voter ID was free. The council election was a short time ago so anyone who was turned away then had plenty of time to sort ID out. Having said that, the bigger problem is postal votes. They used to only be available to those with a really good excuse and were a few % of the votes. Now anyone can get them they are a quarter of the votes and there are no ID checks. | |||
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"I wonder whether the need for IDs has made a difference in turn out. My guess is yes. I reckon we will have a lower turn out than 2019 which was 63.7% Why would it make a difference? We all voted, including our 18 year old daughter. She just took her driving license, but could have used her passport. What's the problem? You don't find issues that may affect the percentage of electorate actually turning out to vote interesting? " Apathy and discontentment in the alternative being just as bad, so little will actually change in their thinking is my take on the turn %. | |||
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" Especially as there was no issue around fraud by voters." The way i see it is i didnt wait til i had been knocked down to start looking both ways before crossing the road. You don’t have to wait til something has gone wrong to close up a gap of risk that it could | |||
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