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"Also, I thought I heard this yesterday on Radio . . . and indeed I did . . . 'The Labour Party's decision not to include the statement “the NHS is not for sale” in its election manifesto, despite the line being in a pre-manifesto offer, has prompted concern on the left.' and Mark Ladbrooke, chair of Labour-affiliated group the Socialist Health Association, told PoliticsHome: “It’s a worrying sign.” “One of the problems with the way sometimes the NHS is described is that people say the NHS is a system funded by the taxpayer and free at the point of use. But they're not saying who’s actually providing the healthcare and the service,” the SHA chair said. “This is part of that trend. It doesn’t say whether the NHS is actually providing the service or simply commissioning the service.” When pressed, they refused to answer journalists directly." Labour can't include that line... If I'm not mistaken, they've already said they'll use private healthcare to 'clear the backlog'. | |||
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"Also, I thought I heard this yesterday on Radio . . . and indeed I did . . . 'The Labour Party's decision not to include the statement “the NHS is not for sale” in its election manifesto, despite the line being in a pre-manifesto offer, has prompted concern on the left.' and Mark Ladbrooke, chair of Labour-affiliated group the Socialist Health Association, told PoliticsHome: “It’s a worrying sign.” “One of the problems with the way sometimes the NHS is described is that people say the NHS is a system funded by the taxpayer and free at the point of use. But they're not saying who’s actually providing the healthcare and the service,” the SHA chair said. “This is part of that trend. It doesn’t say whether the NHS is actually providing the service or simply commissioning the service.” When pressed, they refused to answer journalists directly. Labour can't include that line... If I'm not mistaken, they've already said they'll use private healthcare to 'clear the backlog'." The discussion was about if and whether the NHS would become providers or commisioners in the long-term. Because that would simply means it becoming just a management and/or financial portal to private care. The journalists were being really clear in the way they were asking the question - still Labour refused to address it directly with a clear and unambiguous answer. When faced with long waits, I would choose private care and already have 4 times in the last 5 years for family. | |||
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"Also, I thought I heard this yesterday on Radio . . . and indeed I did . . . 'The Labour Party's decision not to include the statement “the NHS is not for sale” in its election manifesto, despite the line being in a pre-manifesto offer, has prompted concern on the left.' and Mark Ladbrooke, chair of Labour-affiliated group the Socialist Health Association, told PoliticsHome: “It’s a worrying sign.” “One of the problems with the way sometimes the NHS is described is that people say the NHS is a system funded by the taxpayer and free at the point of use. But they're not saying who’s actually providing the healthcare and the service,” the SHA chair said. “This is part of that trend. It doesn’t say whether the NHS is actually providing the service or simply commissioning the service.” When pressed, they refused to answer journalists directly. Labour can't include that line... If I'm not mistaken, they've already said they'll use private healthcare to 'clear the backlog'. The discussion was about if and whether the NHS would become providers or commisioners in the long-term. Because that would simply means it becoming just a management and/or financial portal to private care. The journalists were being really clear in the way they were asking the question - still Labour refused to address it directly with a clear and unambiguous answer. When faced with long waits, I would choose private care and already have 4 times in the last 5 years for family. " But apparently Starmer wouldn't  | |||
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"Mark Ladbrooke, chair of Labour-affiliated group the Socialist Health Association, told PoliticsHome: “It’s a worrying sign.” “One of the problems with the way sometimes the NHS is described is that people say the NHS is a system funded by the taxpayer and free at the point of use. But they're not saying who’s actually providing the healthcare and the service,” the SHA chair said. “This is part of that trend. It doesn’t say whether the NHS is actually providing the service or simply commissioning the service.”" Did Mr Ladbrooke expand on why he thought this was worrying? Did he explain why it was important that the NHS be the providers and not just the commissioning service, given that it would still be 'free at the point of service'? | |||
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"Mark Ladbrooke, chair of Labour-affiliated group the Socialist Health Association, told PoliticsHome: “It’s a worrying sign.” “One of the problems with the way sometimes the NHS is described is that people say the NHS is a system funded by the taxpayer and free at the point of use. But they're not saying who’s actually providing the healthcare and the service,” the SHA chair said. “This is part of that trend. It doesn’t say whether the NHS is actually providing the service or simply commissioning the service.” Did Mr Ladbrooke expand on why he thought this was worrying? Did he explain why it was important that the NHS be the providers and not just the commissioning service, given that it would still be 'free at the point of service'?" Free at the point of use - but the point is that we will all pay more in taxation for private commisioning in the long run and it will no longer be a National Health Service owned by the people for the people. It will become a cash cow for private care. | |||
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"Mark Ladbrooke, chair of Labour-affiliated group the Socialist Health Association, told PoliticsHome: “It’s a worrying sign.” “One of the problems with the way sometimes the NHS is described is that people say the NHS is a system funded by the taxpayer and free at the point of use. But they're not saying who’s actually providing the healthcare and the service,” the SHA chair said. “This is part of that trend. It doesn’t say whether the NHS is actually providing the service or simply commissioning the service.”" "Did Mr Ladbrooke expand on why he thought this was worrying? Did he explain why it was important that the NHS be the providers and not just the commissioning service, given that it would still be 'free at the point of service'?" "Free at the point of use - but the point is that we will all pay more in taxation for private commisioning in the long run and it will no longer be a National Health Service owned by the people for the people. It will become a cash cow for private care." Interesting that he didn't actually say that it would cost more. Or is that just you not including that bit in your quote? How about if it didn't cost more? Would it still be a problem? | |||
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"Mark Ladbrooke, chair of Labour-affiliated group the Socialist Health Association, told PoliticsHome: “It’s a worrying sign.” “One of the problems with the way sometimes the NHS is described is that people say the NHS is a system funded by the taxpayer and free at the point of use. But they're not saying who’s actually providing the healthcare and the service,” the SHA chair said. “This is part of that trend. It doesn’t say whether the NHS is actually providing the service or simply commissioning the service.” Did Mr Ladbrooke expand on why he thought this was worrying? Did he explain why it was important that the NHS be the providers and not just the commissioning service, given that it would still be 'free at the point of service'? Free at the point of use - but the point is that we will all pay more in taxation for private commisioning in the long run and it will no longer be a National Health Service owned by the people for the people. It will become a cash cow for private care. Interesting that he didn't actually say that it would cost more. Or is that just you not including that bit in your quote? How about if it didn't cost more? Would it still be a problem?" He wasn't clear. That was the whole point of the journo's trying to pin it down. Can you imagine that it would cost less? | |||
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"Free at the point of use - but the point is that we will all pay more in taxation for private commisioning in the long run and it will no longer be a National Health Service owned by the people for the people. It will become a cash cow for private care." "Interesting that he didn't actually say that it would cost more. Or is that just you not including that bit in your quote? How about if it didn't cost more? Would it still be a problem?" "He wasn't clear. That was the whole point of the journo's trying to pin it down. Can you imagine that it would cost less?" Yes. Yes I can. That's not at all hard to imagine. I have very little contact with the Health Service, but what I have had did not lead me to believe that it's efficient or well run. | |||
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"OMG Streeting says he considered having private healthcare for his cancer. How long can he stay in post now?" Six Tory Health Secretaries in the last 5 years, and not one of them had any experience or expertise in health or social care. Wes talks more sense than all of them put together. And let's remember Andrew Lansley's "top down" reorganisation of the NHS which universally has been condemned as a total disaster. Another of Cameron's appalling fucked up appointments which the Tories hope we would forget. | |||
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"I appreciate the posts but the issue was why has Wes seemingly abandoned the idea of making efficiency savings? There's plenty to be made which would save tens of billions which could, amongst other things, be used to fund the social care budget as a separate entity " In a couple of weeks he will be responsible for it and may just have to do something about it. Hopefully he will succeed and remedy any inefficiency | |||
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