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"Hoping because of this, he will not be allowed to run for president. We will see fingers crossed. (Though, having been convicted of an even more serious crime and not paid probably his lawyers and certainly the plaintiff, very doubtful.)" Trump can run for president even if he went to jail. | |||
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"Hoping because of this, he will not be allowed to run for president. We will see fingers crossed. (Though, having been convicted of an even more serious crime and not paid probably his lawyers and certainly the plaintiff, very doubtful.) Trump can run for president even if he went to jail." I’ve read this too, however opinion polls showed if found guilty he’d lose 53% of votes. I’m not sure how accurate that is though. | |||
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"Hoping because of this, he will not be allowed to run for president. We will see fingers crossed. (Though, having been convicted of an even more serious crime and not paid probably his lawyers and certainly the plaintiff, very doubtful.) Trump can run for president even if he went to jail. I’ve read this too, however opinion polls showed if found guilty he’d lose 53% of votes. I’m not sure how accurate that is though." As he does with all his shortcomings, he will twist it to his advantage -he is after all, bloody good at doing that. Plus, because he appeals to the US equivalent of ‘sun readers’ they believe whatever rhetoric he espouses. America will become a world wide laughing stock if he is elected…. Which sadly is a distinct possibility. R xx | |||
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"Hoping because of this, he will not be allowed to run for president. We will see fingers crossed. (Though, having been convicted of an even more serious crime and not paid probably his lawyers and certainly the plaintiff, very doubtful.) Trump can run for president even if he went to jail. I’ve read this too, however opinion polls showed if found guilty he’d lose 53% of votes. I’m not sure how accurate that is though." Previous history has shown his numbers go up after something happens like through Russiagate, Stormy Daniels or grab 'em by the pussy. Not always of course but when he posted his mugshot his favourability increased. | |||
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"Hoping because of this, he will not be allowed to run for president. We will see fingers crossed. (Though, having been convicted of an even more serious crime and not paid probably his lawyers and certainly the plaintiff, very doubtful.) Trump can run for president even if he went to jail. I’ve read this too, however opinion polls showed if found guilty he’d lose 53% of votes. I’m not sure how accurate that is though. As he does with all his shortcomings, he will twist it to his advantage -he is after all, bloody good at doing that. Plus, because he appeals to the US equivalent of ‘sun readers’ they believe whatever rhetoric he espouses. America will become a world wide laughing stock if he is elected…. Which sadly is a distinct possibility. R xx" The people who will decide this election are thinking with their pocket. The price of eggs at $8 in some places. today won't help especially with Joe Biden on the telly every time telling people that this is the best economy ever. | |||
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"Hoping because of this, he will not be allowed to run for president. We will see fingers crossed. (Though, having been convicted of an even more serious crime and not paid probably his lawyers and certainly the plaintiff, very doubtful.) Trump can run for president even if he went to jail. I’ve read this too, however opinion polls showed if found guilty he’d lose 53% of votes. I’m not sure how accurate that is though." He'll still have his loyal brain dead support who will cry corruption just like him, however it's the undecideds in the swing states this verdict could resonate with most. | |||
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"So Trump has been found guilty on all charges. What’s your thoughts?" ---------------------- He was tried by a jury of his peers, job done. | |||
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"I wouldn’t be slagging off the judge just yet He’s the one that has to pass down the punishment "  | |||
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"I wouldn’t be slagging off the judge just yet He’s the one that has to pass down the punishment "I think the fact that he has already is about to bite him in the ass | |||
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 not the thread!
He got so much money! Can you actually see him going to jail!
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"Thought it might happen but I doubt he will get any jail time." Unfortunately I think you might be right. There is a pundit I follow that thinks it will just end up as house arrest at mara largo | |||
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"This will run and run! not the thread!
He got so much money! Can you actually see him going to jail!
He will keep appealing and he can afford to"Depends on the fine, he might be skint soon | |||
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"We've been following this, I don't really understand it all but I know he has done wrong and been found guilty. What I can't fathom is felons can't vote, yet they can run for president? How is that right? Not as though my thoughts mean anything but I think America might need to rewrite their strange rules on this, what's the point in letting someone who has been found guilty while in charge of the country (if I have got that right) be allowed to rerun? I mean when these laws were passed they probably didn't ever expect something like this would ever happen but alas it has and now he can rerun and by all accounts, no matter if he got jail time he would be able to pardon himself (again, not sure if I have got this right). From my limited understanding of US politics (well in general) America seems to be fucked either way, Biden is a bit of a knob and Trump is a massive orange one, I think they need a massive shake up." If he does become president again he can't actually pardon himself he would need to give up the presidency to a lacky and have then pardon him. (I think) | |||
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"We've been following this, I don't really understand it all but I know he has done wrong and been found guilty. What I can't fathom is felons can't vote, yet they can run for president? How is that right? Not as though my thoughts mean anything but I think America might need to rewrite their strange rules on this, what's the point in letting someone who has been found guilty while in charge of the country (if I have got that right) be allowed to rerun? I mean when these laws were passed they probably didn't ever expect something like this would ever happen but alas it has and now he can rerun and by all accounts, no matter if he got jail time he would be able to pardon himself (again, not sure if I have got this right). From my limited understanding of US politics (well in general) America seems to be fucked either way, Biden is a bit of a knob and Trump is a massive orange one, I think they need a massive shake up. If he does become president again he can't actually pardon himself he would need to give up the presidency to a lacky and have then pardon him. (I think) " Oh I see! Thank you, I'm quite invested in this, it's like watching a really bad film yet you can't stop watching. | |||
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"Using the D.O.J. to go after his political opponents- Check. Another one on the list of things the Democrats said would happen under Trump." It's one of the things Trump said would happen under Trump. He is an authoritarian who has openly stated he would use the DoJ to go after his political opponents. If you think this trial was Biden doing the equivalent as opposed to what the courts are there to do then please present your evidence. | |||
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"If it was anyone other than Donald trump they wouldn’t even have faced charges" ------------------------------------- I don't think the revenue service ignores discrepancies in accounting records for the common man, in fact they would have been prosecuted sooner. Trump was investigated, charged, faced trial and found guilty by a jury of his peers, that's how the legal system works in democratic societies with checks and balances along the way. I can see Trump warming his supporters up for Insurrection Day Holiday...yee-ha | |||
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"God Bless America and don't forget that Rishi got a fixed penalty notice. This will make Trumps fan base even more supportive. " ------------------------------------ Thankfully his fanbase can't win the election on its own  | |||
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"If it was anyone other than Donald trump they wouldn’t even have faced charges, all this shit while blindly ignoring the current president is a racist peadophile with dementia whose own daughter alleges interfered with her, and that’s not even getting started about his filthy deviant cunt of a son " Finally someone who speaks sense | |||
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"If it was anyone other than Donald trump they wouldn’t even have faced charges, all this shit while blindly ignoring the current president is a racist peadophile with dementia whose own daughter alleges interfered with her, and that’s not even getting started about his filthy deviant cunt of a son Finally someone who speaks sense " I have had a look online for such accusations against Joe Biden and I haven't found anything yet. Can you give me a source? It's worth remembering that the right wing has a huge propaganda machine and happily spews out things like this so I'm not going to take what you say at face value. It's also worth remembering the Trump wants to be a dictator and he leads a party that is trying to make that happen with plans like Project 2025. If Trump wins, American will have a fascist government. | |||
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"Why do folk put so much stock in to the potential president of another country lol " Because if Trump wins America will fall into fascism and the Republicans will try to make Trump their dictator. America has a huge effect on the world. Do you really want to be stuck between Russia to the east and a fascist America to the west? | |||
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"Why do folk put so much stock in to the potential president of another country lol " Because, if you watch the films at least, they have their little box with a trigger in it and seem to be keen to flick it (I have no idea how I made that filthy but I managed it). | |||
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"racist peadophile with dementia " I think that can be applied to Trump. A friend of Epstein. Neither are good candidates and it's poor that they are the best the country can come up with | |||
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"Using the D.O.J. to go after his political opponents- Check. Another one on the list of things the Democrats said would happen under Trump." His lawyer, Michael Cohen, went to prison for his part in this crime. Who was president then (2019)? Donald Trump. Was that a political witch-hunt? Was Trump going after people who had helped him?No. It was the justice department doing its thing. If that wasn't a politically-motivated trial, why can't this be? | |||
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"Why do folk put so much stock in to the potential president of another country lol Because if Trump wins America will fall into fascism and the Republicans will try to make Trump their dictator. America has a huge effect on the world. Do you really want to be stuck between Russia to the east and a fascist America to the west? " Pmsl | |||
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"There are some here feeling uneasy that the Donald might win and England will be poorer off in some way. Well let's think which London Mayor allowed a blimp balloon of the President of the United States to fly over London while Trump was here. It was Mare Khan who gave this disrespect to another country. No Wonder Trump puts America first. Khan should be held to account" Khans a cunt | |||
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"Why do folk put so much stock in to the potential president of another country lol Because, if you watch the films at least, they have their little box with a trigger in it and seem to be keen to flick it (I have no idea how I made that filthy but I managed it)." lol finger yer box lol | |||
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"If it was anyone other than Donald trump they wouldn’t even have faced charges, all this shit while blindly ignoring the current president is a racist peadophile with dementia whose own daughter alleges interfered with her, and that’s not even getting started about his filthy deviant cunt of a son Finally someone who speaks sense " -----------------' Why, because they're saying something you want to hear? | |||
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"There are some here feeling uneasy that the Donald might win and England will be poorer off in some way. Well let's think which London Mayor allowed a blimp balloon of the President of the United States to fly over London while Trump was here. It was Mare Khan who gave this disrespect to another country. No Wonder Trump puts America first. Khan should be held to account" --------------------- What Khan got to do with a Trump illegally mis-managing his tax affairs? | |||
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"Hoping because of this, he will not be allowed to run for president. We will see fingers crossed. (Though, having been convicted of an even more serious crime and not paid probably his lawyers and certainly the plaintiff, very doubtful.) Trump can run for president even if he went to jail. I’ve read this too, however opinion polls showed if found guilty he’d lose 53% of votes. I’m not sure how accurate that is though. He'll still have his loyal brain dead support who will cry corruption just like him, however it's the undecideds in the swing states this verdict could resonate with most." Brain dead support? And I guess all those who want a demented old crook such as Joe Biden as President are extremely intelligent eh?… I’m no fan of Trump but I certainly wouldn’t vote for Biden. Just goes to show what an absolute mess the US has got itself into… | |||
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"If it was anyone other than Donald trump they wouldn’t even have faced charges, all this shit while blindly ignoring the current president is a racist peadophile with dementia whose own daughter alleges interfered with her, and that’s not even getting started about his filthy deviant cunt of a son Finally someone who speaks sense I have had a look online for such accusations against Joe Biden and I haven't found anything yet. Can you give me a source? It's worth remembering that the right wing has a huge propaganda machine and happily spews out things like this so I'm not going to take what you say at face value. It's also worth remembering the Trump wants to be a dictator and he leads a party that is trying to make that happen with plans like Project 2025. If Trump wins, American will have a fascist government. " You only need to watch any of the many videos of him sniffing and groping and kissing kids despite their obvious discomfort if he does that in public I can only begin to imagine what the vile cunt does in public, if anyone can watch those and say they wouldn’t stomp his ribs through his lungs if it was their child there’s something sadly wrong. Even his own son also a nonce with some vile photos out there of him (that came from his own laptop) calls him pedo Pete. The biden are scum Haha the right wing has a huge propaganda machine but the left doesn’t? Most of the hate for trump is due to left wing media propaganda | |||
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"If it was anyone other than Donald trump they wouldn’t even have faced charges, all this shit while blindly ignoring the current president is a racist peadophile with dementia whose own daughter alleges interfered with her, and that’s not even getting started about his filthy deviant cunt of a son Finally someone who speaks sense I have had a look online for such accusations against Joe Biden and I haven't found anything yet. Can you give me a source? It's worth remembering that the right wing has a huge propaganda machine and happily spews out things like this so I'm not going to take what you say at face value. It's also worth remembering the Trump wants to be a dictator and he leads a party that is trying to make that happen with plans like Project 2025. If Trump wins, American will have a fascist government. You only need to watch any of the many videos of him sniffing and groping and kissing kids despite their obvious discomfort if he does that in public I can only begin to imagine what the vile cunt does in public, if anyone can watch those and say they wouldn’t stomp his ribs through his lungs if it was their child there’s something sadly wrong. Even his own son also a nonce with some vile photos out there of him (that came from his own laptop) calls him pedo Pete. The biden are scum Haha the right wing has a huge propaganda machine but the left doesn’t? Most of the hate for trump is due to left wing media propaganda" I don't know if you're for real or not. But there are definitely a lot of Americans that would prefer to believe in some conspiracy nonsense than actually face the reality that the guy they want in office is a convicted criminal. Oh, and no propaganda was needed with Trump. He put all his constant brain farts on twitter for everyone to see. | |||
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"This will run and run! not the thread!
He got so much money! Can you actually see him going to jail!
He will keep appealing and he can afford to"He cant cover the ~480 million he owes. It's more the logistics of him going to prison. He is still entitled to secret service protection | |||
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"If it was anyone other than Donald trump they wouldn’t even have faced charges, all this shit while blindly ignoring the current president is a racist peadophile with dementia whose own daughter alleges interfered with her, and that’s not even getting started about his filthy deviant cunt of a son Finally someone who speaks sense I have had a look online for such accusations against Joe Biden and I haven't found anything yet. Can you give me a source? It's worth remembering that the right wing has a huge propaganda machine and happily spews out things like this so I'm not going to take what you say at face value. It's also worth remembering the Trump wants to be a dictator and he leads a party that is trying to make that happen with plans like Project 2025. If Trump wins, American will have a fascist government. You only need to watch any of the many videos of him sniffing and groping and kissing kids despite their obvious discomfort if he does that in public I can only begin to imagine what the vile cunt does in public, if anyone can watch those and say they wouldn’t stomp his ribs through his lungs if it was their child there’s something sadly wrong. Even his own son also a nonce with some vile photos out there of him (that came from his own laptop) calls him pedo Pete. The biden are scum Haha the right wing has a huge propaganda machine but the left doesn’t? Most of the hate for trump is due to left wing media propaganda I don't know if you're for real or not. But there are definitely a lot of Americans that would prefer to believe in some conspiracy nonsense than actually face the reality that the guy they want in office is a convicted criminal. Oh, and no propaganda was needed with Trump. He put all his constant brain farts on twitter for everyone to see." And did those “mean tweets” that upset so many pathetically soft shites feelings detract from his ability to be president in any way? People so quick to mention dictatorship under trump quicky forget the threats the pedo and his brain dead hag made about forcing everyone to take the clot shot | |||
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"If it was anyone other than Donald trump they wouldn’t even have faced charges, all this shit while blindly ignoring the current president is a racist peadophile with dementia whose own daughter alleges interfered with her, and that’s not even getting started about his filthy deviant cunt of a son Finally someone who speaks sense I have had a look online for such accusations against Joe Biden and I haven't found anything yet. Can you give me a source? It's worth remembering that the right wing has a huge propaganda machine and happily spews out things like this so I'm not going to take what you say at face value. It's also worth remembering the Trump wants to be a dictator and he leads a party that is trying to make that happen with plans like Project 2025. If Trump wins, American will have a fascist government. You only need to watch any of the many videos of him sniffing and groping and kissing kids despite their obvious discomfort if he does that in public I can only begin to imagine what the vile cunt does in public, if anyone can watch those and say they wouldn’t stomp his ribs through his lungs if it was their child there’s something sadly wrong. Even his own son also a nonce with some vile photos out there of him (that came from his own laptop) calls him pedo Pete. The biden are scum Haha the right wing has a huge propaganda machine but the left doesn’t? Most of the hate for trump is due to left wing media propaganda I don't know if you're for real or not. But there are definitely a lot of Americans that would prefer to believe in some conspiracy nonsense than actually face the reality that the guy they want in office is a convicted criminal. Oh, and no propaganda was needed with Trump. He put all his constant brain farts on twitter for everyone to see. And did those “mean tweets” that upset so many pathetically soft shites feelings detract from his ability to be president in any way?" Who are you quoting there? I don't think his insane ramblings on twitter hurt anyone's feelings, as mentioned they were a good way to circumnavigate what the media was saying, and see what was on his mind directly. No one needed "left wing media propaganda". " People so quick to mention dictatorship under trump quicky forget the threats the pedo and his brain dead hag made about forcing everyone to take the clot shot " No comment as this is replying to points other people made. But it sounds heavy on the conspiracy. | |||
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"If it was anyone other than Donald trump they wouldn’t even have faced charges ------------------------------------- I don't think the revenue service ignores discrepancies in accounting records for the common man, in fact they would have been prosecuted sooner. Trump was investigated, charged, faced trial and found guilty by a jury of his peers, that's how the legal system works in democratic societies with checks and balances along the way. I can see Trump warming his supporters up for Insurrection Day Holiday...yee-ha" So I'm guessing if this gets overturned on appeal you would happily accept that? | |||
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"If it was anyone other than Donald trump they wouldn’t even have faced charges ------------------------------------- I don't think the revenue service ignores discrepancies in accounting records for the common man, in fact they would have been prosecuted sooner. Trump was investigated, charged, faced trial and found guilty by a jury of his peers, that's how the legal system works in democratic societies with checks and balances along the way. I can see Trump warming his supporters up for Insurrection Day Holiday...yee-ha So I'm guessing if this gets overturned on appeal you would happily accept that?" ------------------------ Yes of course I would, just as I would anyone else exonerated on appeal, but I'll wait for that judgement before assuming a convicted felon placing an appeal is automatically innocent. | |||
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"He's acting like a petulant child throwing his toys out of his pram. " Just like some on here sometimes | |||
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"Let's be clear here! All he has done has had sex with a porn star. Every man would do the same with his money. He tried to cover his tracks from the wife. Every man would do the same. He was led by his cock. Every man is. His mistake was getting caught. Most men don't ! " He also ran afoul of the Federal Election Campaign Act, falsified business records and violated state and federal tax laws. When it comes to money and tricking the State, the USA tend to go for people. Trump is just a VERY high profile target. | |||
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"Hoping because of this, he will not be allowed to run for president. We will see fingers crossed. (Though, having been convicted of an even more serious crime and not paid probably his lawyers and certainly the plaintiff, very doubtful.)" | |||
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"He's acting like a petulant child throwing his toys out of his pram. Just like some on here sometimes " "Hey! I resemble that remark" | |||
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"Let's be clear here! All he has done has had sex with a porn star. Every man would do the same with his money. He tried to cover his tracks from the wife. Every man would do the same. He was led by his cock. Every man is. His mistake was getting caught. Most men don't ! " Let’s be absolutely clear! Trump’s act of having sex with a porn star out of wedlock is almost irrelevant here. Trump was actually been found guilty of disguising funds paid to the porn star which, together with getting her to sign an NDA, prevented (better, discouraged) her from revealing her side of the story. The issue lies in the fact the funds paid were not disclosed as campaign expenses which (no matter how small or large the actual impact) had a direct bearing on the outcome of DT’s presidential election in 2016. The case, was and still is highly politicised, and whilst it could be considered legally insignificant, it Is uniquely applicable to DT in that he went on to be elected president of America. Fraud happens everywhere and every day agreed, but how often does the person committing the fraud then become a US president? | |||
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"So Trump has been found guilty on all charges. What’s your thoughts?" My thoughts are this POTUS in court and convicted WTF, I am not a trump fan but his been POTUS and I have never seen a wrong doing POTUS convicted their usually pardoned. So bare with me when I say Jamie Foxx and P Diddy are so pissed off with Trump they must hate the man, why? Trump and Stormy Daniels case had passed the statute limit, they had tried to get him before this remember and that was the reason why the statute had passed what hard luck. So they made a new law that allowed people who had been out of time to bring fresh cases they had a year to do so, with this law Trump found himself in court which leads to todays convictions. And also Jamie Foxx and P Diddy with the case brought by his former partner because they had tried before but time had run out, but not now. | |||
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"Let's be clear here! All he has done has had sex with a porn star. Every man would do the same with his money. He tried to cover his tracks from the wife. Every man would do the same. He was led by his cock. Every man is. His mistake was getting caught. Most men don't ! Let’s be absolutely clear! Trump’s act of having sex with a porn star out of wedlock is almost irrelevant here. Trump was actually been found guilty of disguising funds paid to the porn star which, together with getting her to sign an NDA, prevented (better, discouraged) her from revealing her side of the story. The issue lies in the fact the funds paid were not disclosed as campaign expenses which (no matter how small or large the actual impact) had a direct bearing on the outcome of DT’s presidential election in 2016. The case, was and still is highly politicised, and whilst it could be considered legally insignificant, it Is uniquely applicable to DT in that he went on to be elected president of America. Fraud happens everywhere and every day agreed, but how often does the person committing the fraud then become a US president?" Not sure but Bill Clinton had a Monica. Just as bad | |||
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"Let's be clear here! All he has done has had sex with a porn star. Every man would do the same with his money. He tried to cover his tracks from the wife. Every man would do the same. He was led by his cock. Every man is. His mistake was getting caught. Most men don't ! Let’s be absolutely clear! Trump’s act of having sex with a porn star out of wedlock is almost irrelevant here. Trump was actually been found guilty of disguising funds paid to the porn star which, together with getting her to sign an NDA, prevented (better, discouraged) her from revealing her side of the story. The issue lies in the fact the funds paid were not disclosed as campaign expenses which (no matter how small or large the actual impact) had a direct bearing on the outcome of DT’s presidential election in 2016. The case, was and still is highly politicised, and whilst it could be considered legally insignificant, it Is uniquely applicable to DT in that he went on to be elected president of America. Fraud happens everywhere and every day agreed, but how often does the person committing the fraud then become a US president? Not sure but Bill Clinton had a Monica. Just as bad " No correlation at all between Clinton’s actions and Trump’s…… truly no idea why that’s a relevant comment. | |||
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"As someone offering an armchair opinion, I cant see how Trump won't be elected. He is riding a wave of "he can do know wrong/everyone is out to get him" but mainly his opposition is a guy who has been, apparently, worse than useless and is basically gifting the presidency to him. Apparently he will also be able to end the cost of living BS in the states by sheer force of will, and by simply saying "no" The charges are nothing, if he is elected he will simply pardon himself... And no, I dont want to see him elected, I just think he cant lose, even if he tried!" Not sure you right with this. Yes, there are a very vocal section of MAGA fanatics both on the streets and in Congress, but the majority of Americans are not stupid. Donald Trump paid money to several women to keep quiet about the sex they had with Trump whilst he was married to Melanie. This is now not in question as it is not against the law to do do this. What is against the law is to account those payments as “business expenses” (and claim Tax relief) when they were “personal expenses” which should have come from Trump’s own pocket. Further, even if these payments had been made personally (which they were not), it is a criminal offence to make such payments as a means of affecting the outcome of an election. Donald Trump assumed (rightly, or wrongly) that if the salacious stories of him having sex with a porn star were to be made public then this might reduce the number of women who voted for him in 2016. This is Trump’s ultimate projection. He can shout election interference all he likes, but the truth is that only one person has been found guilty of election interference and that is Donald Trump himself. By the way, in my opinion this is far from over as I suspect that after now being found guilty of State tax evasion, he may now fall under scrutiny of the IRS for Federal tax evasion. This is Donald self imploding and anyone assuming that the majority of Americans think that this lying, adulterous grifter is the man for the top job is just deluded. | |||
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"As sure as eggs are eggs he will not lose votes and the charges seem politically motivated " How? Please explain. Passing off personal expenses as business expenses for the purpose of trying to influence the outcome of an election is a big deal. That’s tax fraud and election interference just for starters. | |||
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"Delighted he has been found guilty - because he is … Narcissistic overblown dangerous man Recently back from a cruise where the population were 90% Americans There are brainwashed by biased media ( Fox News in particular ) making out he is on the planet to save mankind No he is definitely not … Medlomaniac I hope it’s the end of him ( unlikely sadly ) " He is an old, overweight man who doesn’t exercise and seems to have a poor diet. We will just have to wait him out. Not sure we are going to have to wait that long. | |||
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"Delighted he has been found guilty - because he is … Narcissistic overblown dangerous man Recently back from a cruise where the population were 90% Americans There are brainwashed by biased media ( Fox News in particular ) making out he is on the planet to save mankind No he is definitely not … Medlomaniac I hope it’s the end of him ( unlikely sadly ) He is an old, overweight man who doesn’t exercise and seems to have a poor diet. We will just have to wait him out. Not sure we are going to have to wait that long. " He has access to the type of healthcare most Americans could only ever dream of. They can keep rebuilding him. Robotrump. | |||
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"As sure as eggs are eggs he will not lose votes and the charges seem politically motivated " What about when Michael Cohen was imprisoned for his part in this crime? That happened during Donald Trump's presidency. Was that Trump persecuting his own allies? Anybody saying this is politically motivated just seem to be making excuses for this criminal. | |||
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"As sure as eggs are eggs he will not lose votes and the charges seem politically motivated What about when Michael Cohen was imprisoned for his part in this crime? That happened during Donald Trump's presidency. Was that Trump persecuting his own allies? Anybody saying this is politically motivated just seem to be making excuses for this criminal." I think both can be true: he is a criminal, but also, pursuing a court case was politically motivated. Remember Bill Clinton was acquitted in the face of some pretty compelling evidence. | |||
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"Using the D.O.J. to go after his political opponents- Check. Another one on the list of things the Democrats said would happen under Trump. It's one of the things Trump said would happen under Trump. He is an authoritarian who has openly stated he would use the DoJ to go after his political opponents. If you think this trial was Biden doing the equivalent as opposed to what the courts are there to do then please present your evidence. " The evidence would be circumstantial: Hard pressed to find an injured party with this crime, even the bank turned up as a witness for Trump said 'great deal can't wait to do business again' CEO's (never Trumpers) are on the alphabet news in America saying 'who's next? If they can go after Donald Trump for borrowing money from a bank and paying it back then they can come for any of us'. For the last seven years Nancy Pelosi has said that she wants to put Trump in jail. Of course Trump would want revenge after two bullshit impeachments, four years of Russiagate and the election denial and Obama's NSA spying on his campaign eight years ago and all the others shite the democrats pushed through their alphabet media lackeys with their Trump Derangement Syndrome. Trump is not the problem, he's a symptom of the problem. | |||
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"Delighted he has been found guilty - because he is … Narcissistic overblown dangerous man Recently back from a cruise where the population were 90% Americans There are brainwashed by biased media ( Fox News in particular ) making out he is on the planet to save mankind No he is definitely not … Medlomaniac I hope it’s the end of him ( unlikely sadly ) He is an old, overweight man who doesn’t exercise and seems to have a poor diet. We will just have to wait him out. Not sure we are going to have to wait that long. " These 2 posts are not very nice at all. | |||
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"Using the D.O.J. to go after his political opponents- Check. Another one on the list of things the Democrats said would happen under Trump. His lawyer, Michael Cohen, went to prison for his part in this crime. Who was president then (2019)? Donald Trump. Was that a political witch-hunt? Was Trump going after people who had helped him?No. It was the justice department doing its thing. If that wasn't a politically-motivated trial, why can't this be? " If you think that it was Trump that went after Michael Cohen then can you please present the evidence? | |||
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"Delighted he has been found guilty - because he is … Narcissistic overblown dangerous man Recently back from a cruise where the population were 90% Americans There are brainwashed by biased media ( Fox News in particular ) making out he is on the planet to save mankind No he is definitely not … Medlomaniac I hope it’s the end of him ( unlikely sadly ) He is an old, overweight man who doesn’t exercise and seems to have a poor diet. We will just have to wait him out. Not sure we are going to have to wait that long. " I thought the same about Joe Biden, he was already a walking death rattle four years ago but alas... | |||
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"As sure as eggs are eggs he will not lose votes and the charges seem politically motivated What about when Michael Cohen was imprisoned for his part in this crime? That happened during Donald Trump's presidency. Was that Trump persecuting his own allies? Anybody saying this is politically motivated just seem to be making excuses for this criminal. I think both can be true: he is a criminal, but also, pursuing a court case was politically motivated. Remember Bill Clinton was acquitted in the face of some pretty compelling evidence." also, not "going after" someone can be politically motivated. Given he was convicted, was someone ducking the decision to prosecute ? | |||
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"Using the D.O.J. to go after his political opponents- Check. Another one on the list of things the Democrats said would happen under Trump. His lawyer, Michael Cohen, went to prison for his part in this crime. Who was president then (2019)? Donald Trump. Was that a political witch-hunt? Was Trump going after people who had helped him?No. It was the justice department doing its thing. If that wasn't a politically-motivated trial, why can't this be? If you think that it was Trump that went after Michael Cohen then can you please present the evidence?" I've just re-read and see that you don't think that. Whoops I fucked up there. | |||
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"See…. The thing that makes me laugh is that so many people have said things here that are so incorrect… but if you say it loudly and boldly.. you convince yourself So… let’s try to make it simple The problem wasn’t just the payments of the hush money as such Its that he knowingly falsified financial records to hide the fact he was doing to circumvent federal election campaign spending law and/or fraud for personal gains This case has a lot more in effect to do with the other fraud case against the trump organisation and the 355 million dollar payout he has to make to New York State .. where they found fraud was systemic by fiddling the books and fiddling valuations! He has also faced fraud settlements in relation to trump university He has enough fraudulent activity within his own “charitable” presidential foundation where it was ordered by the courts to disband! It’s not like he is the golden child and doesn’t have “previous”…. And that is just the business stuff without even talking about all the sexual allegations…." The valuation charge is something I find difficult to understand. The price of business property will fluctuate, I assume it is similar to the UK when the ROI is also a factor in the price? The value would always be speculative, he could place his property on the market for any value he wishes, if someone will pay the asking price it is a deal. The other point I also find hard to understand is why a bank would loan on property without valuing it independently, if the value didn't match I would assume they would not loan, or ask for a more substantial guarantee. How did it end up as fraud? | |||
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"See…. The thing that makes me laugh is that so many people have said things here that are so incorrect… but if you say it loudly and boldly.. you convince yourself So… let’s try to make it simple The problem wasn’t just the payments of the hush money as such Its that he knowingly falsified financial records to hide the fact he was doing to circumvent federal election campaign spending law and/or fraud for personal gains This case has a lot more in effect to do with the other fraud case against the trump organisation and the 355 million dollar payout he has to make to New York State .. where they found fraud was systemic by fiddling the books and fiddling valuations! He has also faced fraud settlements in relation to trump university He has enough fraudulent activity within his own “charitable” presidential foundation where it was ordered by the courts to disband! It’s not like he is the golden child and doesn’t have “previous”…. And that is just the business stuff without even talking about all the sexual allegations…. The valuation charge is something I find difficult to understand. The price of business property will fluctuate, I assume it is similar to the UK when the ROI is also a factor in the price? The value would always be speculative, he could place his property on the market for any value he wishes, if someone will pay the asking price it is a deal. The other point I also find hard to understand is why a bank would loan on property without valuing it independently, if the value didn't match I would assume they would not loan, or ask for a more substantial guarantee. How did it end up as fraud? " it's coz he did things like create valuations based on 3x the footprint of a building, or valuing his club as of it could be turned into residential when he has signed agreements today he couldn't. On some of this I don't get why banks didn't do more due diligence. But that doesn't mean it's not fraud. | |||
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"As sure as eggs are eggs he will not lose votes and the charges seem politically motivated What about when Michael Cohen was imprisoned for his part in this crime? That happened during Donald Trump's presidency. Was that Trump persecuting his own allies? Anybody saying this is politically motivated just seem to be making excuses for this criminal." Donald Trump was going to be prosecuted in the same case as Michael Cohen but after he became president the Attorney General William Barr ( a staunch supporter of Trump ) made the case against Trump go away. This also debunks the allegations that this recent prosecution was politically motivated as the case was attempted many years earlier and had nothing to do with Biden. With Bill Barr finally out of the way the prosecutors had another go. I find it incredible that the American political system has brought the choice of corrupt sleazy Trump or doddering Biden. It shows that money gets you to the top job not necessarily ability. I do note Biden seems to have got the US economy doing well however, and his green policies are very very bold. The Republicans just seem to want to shout and cause chaos. Then I look at our buffoon Boris and realise those who live in glass houses! | |||
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"If I had a vote I would definitely vote for Trump. Not that I think it will do anything for Ukraine and even think it might be bad for them. But I do believe Trump is the best for America." Do you have an example of why you believe Trump is the best for America? | |||
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"If I had a vote I would definitely vote for Trump. Not that I think it will do anything for Ukraine and even think it might be bad for them. But I do believe Trump is the best for America." Trump has close likes with Putin and a number of agents from friendly countries had their identies revealed under Trump. The FO think his cuts to the Ukraine would threatwn Europe. Hiw do you feel in yourself about that? | |||
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"If I had a vote I would definitely vote for Trump. Not that I think it will do anything for Ukraine and even think it might be bad for them. But I do believe Trump is the best for America. Trump has close likes with Putin and a number of agents from friendly countries had their identies revealed under Trump. The FO think his cuts to the Ukraine would threatwn Europe. Hiw do you feel in yourself about that?" I feel like you need to take that tin foil hat off | |||
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"If I had a vote I would definitely vote for Trump. Not that I think it will do anything for Ukraine and even think it might be bad for them. But I do believe Trump is the best for America. Trump has close likes with Putin and a number of agents from friendly countries had their identies revealed under Trump. The FO think his cuts to the Ukraine would threatwn Europe. Hiw do you feel in yourself about that? I feel like you need to take that tin foil hat off" The exposed agents was a news story. As someone who has a friend who is leading the counter misinformation project against Russian interference in the western media, they are very worried about what may happen if Trump gets in. But hey, facts n shit. | |||
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"The exposed agents was a news story. As someone who has a friend who is leading the counter misinformation project against Russian interference in the western media, they are very worried about what may happen if Trump gets in. But hey, facts n shit. " For what it's worth. I think that Putin has something on Trump....maybe something to do with a certain hotel room Obama stayed in and Trump allegedly invited some professional ladies over.....I digress. I did think Europe will be toast if Trump gets in. However, Ukraine have until the last 6 months with USA's help mainly, have scared the Russian airforce so much. They're firing their missiles inside Russian airspace. Their tanks are no longer the fighting force they once were and very much depleted. Overall though, I think in 3.5 years time. Russian, having hopefully built up their war machine, will start rolling into Estonia, and the Baltic States. From there who knows. But if Trump is in...God help us... he will have pulled the USA out of NATO and basically left us to our own devices.....we'll need more than national service if the Tories get back in. | |||
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"The exposed agents was a news story. As someone who has a friend who is leading the counter misinformation project against Russian interference in the western media, they are very worried about what may happen if Trump gets in. But hey, facts n shit. For what it's worth. I think that Putin has something on Trump....maybe something to do with a certain hotel room Obama stayed in and Trump allegedly invited some professional ladies over.....I digress. I did think Europe will be toast if Trump gets in. However, Ukraine have until the last 6 months with USA's help mainly, have scared the Russian airforce so much. They're firing their missiles inside Russian airspace. Their tanks are no longer the fighting force they once were and very much depleted. Overall though, I think in 3.5 years time. Russian, having hopefully built up their war machine, will start rolling into Estonia, and the Baltic States. From there who knows. But if Trump is in...God help us... he will have pulled the USA out of NATO and basically left us to our own devices.....we'll need more than national service if the Tories get back in." Maybe. I think it just benefits Russia to have the US in state of chaos created by Trumps erratic leadership. | |||
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"See…. The thing that makes me laugh is that so many people have said things here that are so incorrect… but if you say it loudly and boldly.. you convince yourself So… let’s try to make it simple The problem wasn’t just the payments of the hush money as such Its that he knowingly falsified financial records to hide the fact he was doing to circumvent federal election campaign spending law and/or fraud for personal gains This case has a lot more in effect to do with the other fraud case against the trump organisation and the 355 million dollar payout he has to make to New York State .. where they found fraud was systemic by fiddling the books and fiddling valuations! He has also faced fraud settlements in relation to trump university He has enough fraudulent activity within his own “charitable” presidential foundation where it was ordered by the courts to disband! It’s not like he is the golden child and doesn’t have “previous”…. And that is just the business stuff without even talking about all the sexual allegations…. The valuation charge is something I find difficult to understand. The price of business property will fluctuate, I assume it is similar to the UK when the ROI is also a factor in the price? The value would always be speculative, he could place his property on the market for any value he wishes, if someone will pay the asking price it is a deal. The other point I also find hard to understand is why a bank would loan on property without valuing it independently, if the value didn't match I would assume they would not loan, or ask for a more substantial guarantee. How did it end up as fraud? " He was basically inflating the value of his buildings for the purposes of getting bank loans at lower rates, whilst also lowering the value of the buildings so he would pay lower state taxes…. So how does it end up as fraud… basically what he did was engrossment! Think of it like this… if was working and took 10 pounds out of the till.. I then take that money and put it on a horse, who then wins… I then put the original 10 pounds back in the till!! In effect the winnings are “engrossed earnings… the state says because he was paying a lower interest repayment than he would have done on the bank loans , and the difference on that amount was up to 355 million dollars in state taxes he didn’t pay! Does that make more sense? | |||
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"The exposed agents was a news story. As someone who has a friend who is leading the counter misinformation project against Russian interference in the western media, they are very worried about what may happen if Trump gets in. But hey, facts n shit. For what it's worth. I think that Putin has something on Trump....maybe something to do with a certain hotel room Obama stayed in and Trump allegedly invited some professional ladies over.....I digress. I did think Europe will be toast if Trump gets in. However, Ukraine have until the last 6 months with USA's help mainly, have scared the Russian airforce so much. They're firing their missiles inside Russian airspace. Their tanks are no longer the fighting force they once were and very much depleted. Overall though, I think in 3.5 years time. Russian, having hopefully built up their war machine, will start rolling into Estonia, and the Baltic States. From there who knows. But if Trump is in...God help us... he will have pulled the USA out of NATO and basically left us to our own devices.....we'll need more than national service if the Tories get back in." Regarding NATO…. Actually because he floated the idea last time and it was his own republicans that got spooked by it… in the last few days of the trump administration they passed a bill stating that a president cannot unilaterally pull the US out of NATO and it needs senate supermajority (60 votes out of 100) for approval to do it! | |||
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"Russian, having hopefully built up their war machine, will start rolling into Estonia, and the Baltic States." 
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"See…. The thing that makes me laugh is that so many people have said things here that are so incorrect… but if you say it loudly and boldly.. you convince yourself So… let’s try to make it simple The problem wasn’t just the payments of the hush money as such Its that he knowingly falsified financial records to hide the fact he was doing to circumvent federal election campaign spending law and/or fraud for personal gains This case has a lot more in effect to do with the other fraud case against the trump organisation and the 355 million dollar payout he has to make to New York State .. where they found fraud was systemic by fiddling the books and fiddling valuations! He has also faced fraud settlements in relation to trump university He has enough fraudulent activity within his own “charitable” presidential foundation where it was ordered by the courts to disband! It’s not like he is the golden child and doesn’t have “previous”…. And that is just the business stuff without even talking about all the sexual allegations…. The valuation charge is something I find difficult to understand. The price of business property will fluctuate, I assume it is similar to the UK when the ROI is also a factor in the price? The value would always be speculative, he could place his property on the market for any value he wishes, if someone will pay the asking price it is a deal. The other point I also find hard to understand is why a bank would loan on property without valuing it independently, if the value didn't match I would assume they would not loan, or ask for a more substantial guarantee. How did it end up as fraud? He was basically inflating the value of his buildings for the purposes of getting bank loans at lower rates, whilst also lowering the value of the buildings so he would pay lower state taxes…. So how does it end up as fraud… basically what he did was engrossment! Think of it like this… if was working and took 10 pounds out of the till.. I then take that money and put it on a horse, who then wins… I then put the original 10 pounds back in the till!! In effect the winnings are “engrossed earnings… the state says because he was paying a lower interest repayment than he would have done on the bank loans , and the difference on that amount was up to 355 million dollars in state taxes he didn’t pay! Does that make more sense? "It makes perfect sense now I can see it went 2 ways up and down. I think what isn't adding up is a bank not conducting their own assessment of the value to protect their loan, I would have thought that was an agreement if they simply signed it off. | |||
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"See…. The thing that makes me laugh is that so many people have said things here that are so incorrect… but if you say it loudly and boldly.. you convince yourself So… let’s try to make it simple The problem wasn’t just the payments of the hush money as such Its that he knowingly falsified financial records to hide the fact he was doing to circumvent federal election campaign spending law and/or fraud for personal gains This case has a lot more in effect to do with the other fraud case against the trump organisation and the 355 million dollar payout he has to make to New York State .. where they found fraud was systemic by fiddling the books and fiddling valuations! He has also faced fraud settlements in relation to trump university He has enough fraudulent activity within his own “charitable” presidential foundation where it was ordered by the courts to disband! It’s not like he is the golden child and doesn’t have “previous”…. And that is just the business stuff without even talking about all the sexual allegations…. The valuation charge is something I find difficult to understand. The price of business property will fluctuate, I assume it is similar to the UK when the ROI is also a factor in the price? The value would always be speculative, he could place his property on the market for any value he wishes, if someone will pay the asking price it is a deal. The other point I also find hard to understand is why a bank would loan on property without valuing it independently, if the value didn't match I would assume they would not loan, or ask for a more substantial guarantee. How did it end up as fraud? He was basically inflating the value of his buildings for the purposes of getting bank loans at lower rates, whilst also lowering the value of the buildings so he would pay lower state taxes…. So how does it end up as fraud… basically what he did was engrossment! Think of it like this… if was working and took 10 pounds out of the till.. I then take that money and put it on a horse, who then wins… I then put the original 10 pounds back in the till!! In effect the winnings are “engrossed earnings… the state says because he was paying a lower interest repayment than he would have done on the bank loans , and the difference on that amount was up to 355 million dollars in state taxes he didn’t pay! Does that make more sense?
It makes perfect sense now I can see it went 2 ways up and down. I think what isn't adding up is a bank not conducting their own assessment of the value to protect their loan, I would have thought that was an agreement if they simply signed it off."I think the bank testified in his defence saying they where happy with the terms of the loan. | |||
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" Maybe. I think it just benefits Russia to have the US in state of chaos created by Trumps erratic leadership. " You only think…. !!! Of course it benefits Russia…. It’s a classic case of take advantage of confusion to divide and conquer your enemies…. | |||
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" Maybe. I think it just benefits Russia to have the US in state of chaos created by Trumps erratic leadership. You only think…. !!! A similar tactic to the Brexit campaign. If you read the Russia Report, then funds for the Leave Campaign and UKIP came from Russia Of course it benefits Russia…. It’s a classic case of take advantage of confusion to divide and conquer your enemies…." | |||
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"Using the D.O.J. to go after his political opponents- Check. Another one on the list of things the Democrats said would happen under Trump." Mr Trump commited these crimes and was found guilty. Biden was not involved in the New York State prosecution. So, are you saying Trump should be allowed to walk free or should never have been charged because he is a candidate for a political office? Remember Isla Brison? This person is a convicted male rapist who feined being a transgender woman to avoid male prison? If running for political office absolves you of all past crimes the candidates list will grow exponentially over night. | |||
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"If it was anyone other than Donald trump they wouldn’t even have faced charges, all this shit while blindly ignoring the current president is a racist peadophile with dementia whose own daughter alleges interfered with her, and that’s not even getting started about his filthy deviant cunt of a son Finally someone who speaks sense -----------------' Why, because they're saying something you want to hear?" No because it's true. | |||
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"If it was anyone other than Donald trump they wouldn’t even have faced charges, all this shit while blindly ignoring the current president is a racist peadophile with dementia whose own daughter alleges interfered with her, and that’s not even getting started about his filthy deviant cunt of a son Finally someone who speaks sense -----------------' Why, because they're saying something you want to hear? No because it's true. " Pretty sure other people have been charged with fraud. Trump isn't the first. | |||
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"Why do folk put so much stock in to the potential president of another country lol Because if Trump wins America will fall into fascism and the Republicans will try to make Trump their dictator. America has a huge effect on the world. Do you really want to be stuck between Russia to the east and a fascist America to the west? Pmsl" "Pmsl?" Really? You actually think the clear and present threat that the USA could soon be run by a fascist dictator is so humourous you will urinate on yourself? God help us! There are none so blind as those who will not see. | |||
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"If it was anyone other than Donald trump they wouldn’t even have faced charges, all this shit while blindly ignoring the current president is a racist peadophile with dementia whose own daughter alleges interfered with her, and that’s not even getting started about his filthy deviant cunt of a son " "If it was anyone other than Donald Trump they wouldn’t even have faced charges - " It is a matter of public record New York State has issued nearly 9,800 Felony Charges of Falsifying Business Records Since 2015. Why should Trump be excused his 34 charges? The Republican run House of Representatives and RNC, with all their massive resources, spent 4 years trying to find any evidence to prove President Biden is guilty of high crimes and mistermeaners. To date they have failed. I trust sincerely you personally have incontrvertable proof to support your assertion that the current President of the USA is quote "a racist peadophile [sic]" should action be taken against you at some time in the future. | |||
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"The levels of cope in this thread are off the charts "What is cope? | |||
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" What does cope in slang mean? In slang terms, 'cope' refers to a mechanism or a self-delusion that an individual clings to in order to survive a situation that seems insurmountable I see this alot with the anti trump movement and Robert Dr niro displayed untold levels the other day " Ah. Thank you for that explanation. There is certainly a need for people who oppose Trump to cling onto the hope that sufficient people will grasp what is going on to prevent a second unending term for Trump. I would suggest it is equally matched by the collective psychosis of the Trump supporters who, even faced with the evidence of their own eyes and ears, cannot accept Trump is anything less than a living God who never does anything wrong. | |||
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" What does cope in slang mean? In slang terms, 'cope' refers to a mechanism or a self-delusion that an individual clings to in order to survive a situation that seems insurmountable I see this alot with the anti trump movement and Robert Dr niro displayed untold levels the other day Ah. Thank you for that explanation. There is certainly a need for people who oppose Trump to cling onto the hope that sufficient people will grasp what is going on to prevent a second unending term for Trump. I would suggest it is equally matched by the collective psychosis of the Trump supporters who, even faced with the evidence of their own eyes and ears, cannot accept Trump is anything less than a living God who never does anything wrong. " I see both sides now, having once leaned more to the right it's safe to say I'm going back to my center and focusing on the things I have now instead of being bogged down in two old fuckers fighting for power. | |||
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