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"What a misleading thread title "How so? If they clear the list within 5 years (after you have been on it for 18 weeks) then some people on that list will have waited 5 and 18 weeks. Simple maths really. By the way, that was Labours headline. (oops wet phone makes for erroneous entries) | |||
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"What a misleading thread title
How so? If they clear the list within 5 years (after you have been on it for 18 weeks) then some people on that list will have waited 5 and 18 weeks. Simple maths really.
By the way, that was Labours headline.
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"What a misleading thread title
How so? If they clear the list within 5 years (after you have been on it for 18 weeks) then some people on that list will have waited 5 and 18 weeks. Simple maths really.
By the way, that was Labours headline.
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Wet phone! What are you doing with it "Well, I could have said I was in the Hotub, but that sounded a bit ostentatious for a business day, but I was actually washing dishes because it's the Maid's day off.  | |||
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"What a misleading thread title
How so? If they clear the list within 5 years (after you have been on it for 18 weeks) then some people on that list will have waited 5 and 18 weeks. Simple maths really.
By the way, that was Labours headline.
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Wet phone! What are you doing with it
Well, I could have said I was in the Hotub, but that sounded a bit ostentatious for a business day, but I was actually washing dishes because it's the Maid's day off. "Bit old fashioned not having a dishwasher but then again normally you do but instead of a NEFF it is a MAID  | |||
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"What a misleading thread title
How so? If they clear the list within 5 years (after you have been on it for 18 weeks) then some people on that list will have waited 5 and 18 weeks. Simple maths really.
By the way, that was Labours headline.
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Wet phone! What are you doing with it
Well, I could have said I was in the Hotub, but that sounded a bit ostentatious for a business day, but I was actually washing dishes because it's the Maid's day off.
Bit old fashioned not having a dishwasher but then again normally you do but instead of a NEFF it is a MAID "Climate concious here. Plus the dishwasher can't pick me up after a wine-O-clock | |||
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"What a misleading thread title
How so? If they clear the list within 5 years (after you have been on it for 18 weeks) then some people on that list will have waited 5 and 18 weeks. Simple maths really.
By the way, that was Labours headline.
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Wet phone! What are you doing with it
Well, I could have said I was in the Hotub, but that sounded a bit ostentatious for a business day, but I was actually washing dishes because it's the Maid's day off.
Bit old fashioned not having a dishwasher but then again normally you do but instead of a NEFF it is a MAID
Climate concious here. Plus the dishwasher can't pick me up after a wine-O-clock "I thought maids would be more appropriate for wind-my-cock
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"What a misleading thread title
How so? If they clear the list within 5 years (after you have been on it for 18 weeks) then some people on that list will have waited 5 and 18 weeks. Simple maths really.
By the way, that was Labours headline.
(oops wet phone makes for erroneous entries)"Oh come on you have a better brain than that! | |||
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"What a misleading thread title
How so? If they clear the list within 5 years (after you have been on it for 18 weeks) then some people on that list will have waited 5 and 18 weeks. Simple maths really.
By the way, that was Labours headline.
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Oh come on you have a better brain than that!"So go on, pick it apart? And remember that I didn't write the headline. | |||
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"I’m not sure the NHS needs more cash. It needs senior staff to be accountable. An ex worked at a senior level (Director) and I could not believe how much money they wasted and how long they took to make decisions. Chronic incompetence. I accept there will be good managers so to those my respect. Sack those that don’t perform. Why hasn’t the NHS set up its own staff agency in each trust to manage any staffing problem and cut out agency costs? The admin managers need to start earning their keep. If there is a need for flexible working to attract staff then set up a system to do just that. It’s all too easy for the managers to phone an agency who charge ridiculous amounts. Stop the privatisation ! It’s doesn’t work long term, it just costs more . " You haven't a clue because there are bank staff. Work is offered in-house first. And in hospitals staff are moved around in the first instance. | |||
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"What a misleading thread title
How so? If they clear the list within 5 years (after you have been on it for 18 weeks) then some people on that list will have waited 5 and 18 weeks. Simple maths really.
By the way, that was Labours headline.
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Oh come on you have a better brain than that!
So go on, pick it apart? And remember that I didn't write the headline. "presumably it's because people get added to the list over time. It's not the list today that will be cleared, but noone will be on the list in 5 years. Including those who use the NHS in 4 years. Unless they are using the "legacy backlog" definition that some political weasels do. | |||
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"***Labour pledges to clear backlog of patients waiting over 18 weeks within five years.*** This is a progressive move, lol. "I assume they plan to clear all backlogs so that when patients are referred they will not be waiting in excess of 18 weeks. | |||
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"***Labour pledges to clear backlog of patients waiting over 18 weeks within five years.*** This is a progressive move, lol.
I assume they plan to clear all backlogs so that when patients are referred they will not be waiting in excess of 18 weeks."And do that within 5 years! Which means for some patients. . . ? | |||
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"I’m not sure the NHS needs more cash. It needs senior staff to be accountable. An ex worked at a senior level (Director) and I could not believe how much money they wasted and how long they took to make decisions. Chronic incompetence. I accept there will be good managers so to those my respect. Sack those that don’t perform. Why hasn’t the NHS set up its own staff agency in each trust to manage any staffing problem and cut out agency costs? The admin managers need to start earning their keep. If there is a need for flexible working to attract staff then set up a system to do just that. It’s all too easy for the managers to phone an agency who charge ridiculous amounts. Stop the privatisation ! It’s doesn’t work long term, it just costs more . You haven't a clue because there are bank staff. Work is offered in-house first. And in hospitals staff are moved around in the first instance. " £5.5B on bank staff £4.6 B on Agency. You say I don’t know what I’m talking about there’s £4.6B paid to Agencies to discuss . Is that working in your view? It’s a a financial mess which is clearly not working efficiently if nearly half your costs are outsourced . Btw having family who take advantage of the agency rates I do know a little thanks. . First article on Google . https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2024/jan/16/nhs-across-uk-spends-a-staggering-10bn-on-temporary-staff | |||
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"40000 extra appointments per week is the plan. I do like optimism and backing an underdog now and then but, I'm out Streeting." There’s 37000 GPs in the UK . 28000 work full time, So at that level 1-2 a week additional appointments each GP? Must be doable. Geography will no doubt make that three or four a week for some or perhaps up to 10. But even then it’s only two a day? I don’t know how GPs work so could be miles off. Anyone? | |||
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"40000 extra appointments per week is the plan. I do like optimism and backing an underdog now and then but, I'm out Streeting. There’s 37000 GPs in the UK . 28000 work full time, So at that level 1-2 a week additional appointments each GP? Must be doable. Geography will no doubt make that three or four a week for some or perhaps up to 10. But even then it’s only two a day? I don’t know how GPs work so could be miles off. Anyone? " So far they are saying that this would be specialist teams working on lowering the list by working nights weekends etc etc. | |||
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"40000 extra appointments per week is the plan. I do like optimism and backing an underdog now and then but, I'm out Streeting. There’s 37000 GPs in the UK . 28000 work full time, So at that level 1-2 a week additional appointments each GP? Must be doable. Geography will no doubt make that three or four a week for some or perhaps up to 10. But even then it’s only two a day? I don’t know how GPs work so could be miles off. Anyone? " I do wonder if the GP system is outdated. They have very few diagnostic tools at their disposal - just a stethoscope and BP tester usually. So they make an educated guess at diagnosis "here try this". A month later you're sat in front of a different GP explaining it all again, and the ointment didn't work. Maybe better put all Doctors in a Community Hospital with testing facilities and staff. A better use of resources, no? | |||
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"40000 extra appointments per week is the plan. I do like optimism and backing an underdog now and then but, I'm out Streeting. There’s 37000 GPs in the UK . 28000 work full time, So at that level 1-2 a week additional appointments each GP? Must be doable. Geography will no doubt make that three or four a week for some or perhaps up to 10. But even then it’s only two a day? I don’t know how GPs work so could be miles off. Anyone? So far they are saying that this would be specialist teams working on lowering the list by working nights weekends etc etc." Is it going to take 5 years to recruit and train the people needed? That is a lot of specialist team workers to pick up 40000 appointments a week. | |||
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"What a misleading thread title
How so? If they clear the list within 5 years (after you have been on it for 18 weeks) then some people on that list will have waited 5 and 18 weeks. Simple maths really.
By the way, that was Labours headline.
(oops wet phone makes for erroneous entries)"I’m pretty sure they mean by 5 years time they dont want there to be lists over 18 weeks long. Not clearing the people currently in that list as far away as 5 years from now | |||
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"Hmmm! There are Hernia op patients in the news recently, saying they have been waiting nearly four years already. Elective care has the longest waiting lists of all. Recently I went with an older gent I know and the Dr told him that the likelihood of him getting an umbilical hernia op with 4 years is remote. The Dr for some reason thought this was quite funny. So much for bedside manner. But regardless. Some patients will have been waiting for 5 years at then end of Labours plan. Plus the 18 weeks. " Waiting lists of the size they are now are not the type of thing that can be cleared overnight now or IN 5 years time. They will be cleared OVER 5 year period. Do you think they are going to store up appointments and then do 5 years worth of appointments in the last few weeks of the next parliament so that then the list is under 18 weeks? It only takes a tiny bit of critical thinking to work out that the intention will be to reduce the times incrementally with people in the queue now waiting longest (they’ve already been in the slow moving queue) but the time getting shorter and shorter til the 18 week target is hit. | |||
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Well done Cat "I'm so surprised they are so bad at math lol | |||
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"Sooooo many have bitten
Well done Cat
I'm so surprised they are so bad at math lol "I will put my hand up here and say I must be awful at both Maths and English or completely missing an attempt at trolling going over my head … because i can’t get my head around what you are on about at all to be honest | |||
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"But don't worry the Crack Teams will be - well probably on ***** by the time they get through the first six months. "demanding 35% at least | |||
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"But don't worry the Crack Teams will be - well probably on ***** by the time they get through the first six months.
demanding 35% at least"Oooo much more | |||
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"I agree. It's quite common for staff not to work an extra shift offered by the hospital in which they work, then go and take a shift at another location for a better rate. That has been going on for more than 20 years. Most Nursing Agencies are for profit companies. It has also been the subject of a number of reports." Or even their own. My friend does extra shifts at her own hospital but through an agency for more. From what she says that's pretty common practice. | |||
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"***Labour pledges to clear backlog of patients waiting over 18 weeks within five years.*** This is a progressive move, lol.
I assume they plan to clear all backlogs so that when patients are referred they will not be waiting in excess of 18 weeks.
And do that within 5 years! Which means for some patients. . . ? "What are you on, I want some  | |||
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"I’m not sure the NHS needs more cash. It needs senior staff to be accountable. An ex worked at a senior level (Director) and I could not believe how much money they wasted and how long they took to make decisions. Chronic incompetence. I accept there will be good managers so to those my respect. Sack those that don’t perform. Why hasn’t the NHS set up its own staff agency in each trust to manage any staffing problem and cut out agency costs? The admin managers need to start earning their keep. If there is a need for flexible working to attract staff then set up a system to do just that. It’s all too easy for the managers to phone an agency who charge ridiculous amounts. Stop the privatisation ! It’s doesn’t work long term, it just costs more . You haven't a clue because there are bank staff. Work is offered in-house first. And in hospitals staff are moved around in the first instance. £5.5B on bank staff £4.6 B on Agency. You say I don’t know what I’m talking about there’s £4.6B paid to Agencies to discuss . Is that working in your view? It’s a a financial mess which is clearly not working efficiently if nearly half your costs are outsourced . Btw having family who take advantage of the agency rates I do know a little thanks. . First article on Google . https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2024/jan/16/nhs-across-uk-spends-a-staggering-10bn-on-temporary-staff " You asked why the NHS hasn't set up its own "agency". If you know they have bank staff, then why ask? With outrageous numbers of staff vacancies, it doesn't take much for sickness to bring the NHS to its knees. High sickness, high attrition due to burn out. | |||
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"Hmmm! There are Hernia op patients in the news recently, saying they have been waiting nearly four years already. Elective care has the longest waiting lists of all. Recently I went with an older gent I know and the Dr told him that the likelihood of him getting an umbilical hernia op with 4 years is remote. The Dr for some reason thought this was quite funny. So much for bedside manner. But regardless. Some patients will have been waiting for 5 years at then end of Labours plan. Plus the 18 weeks. " As elective surgeries are delayed, trauma cases increase... thus initiating a vicious cycle. | |||
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"Sooooo many have bitten
Well done Cat
I'm so surprised they are so bad at math lol
I will put my hand up here and say I must be awful at both Maths and English or completely missing an attempt at trolling going over my head … because i can’t get my head around what you are on about at all to be honest "can I join you in the "special" class then. I really hope this is trolling rather than me/them being dumb !! | |||
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"Sooooo many have bitten
Well done Cat
I'm so surprised they are so bad at math lol
I will put my hand up here and say I must be awful at both Maths and English or completely missing an attempt at trolling going over my head … because i can’t get my head around what you are on about at all to be honest can I join you in the "special" class then. I really hope this is trolling rather than me/them being dumb !!"At least we can be dunces together Any clues to the manifesto plans for education yet?  | |||
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"***Labour pledges to clear backlog of patients waiting over 18 weeks within five years.*** This is a progressive move, lol. "From what I watched yesterday it seems they are to increase the use of the private sector to help with the backlog. It's a good job they wear a rosette at elections otherwise you would never know who they represent | |||
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"Sooooo many have bitten
Well done Cat
I'm so surprised they are so bad at math lol
I will put my hand up here and say I must be awful at both Maths and English or completely missing an attempt at trolling going over my head … because i can’t get my head around what you are on about at all to be honest can I join you in the "special" class then. I really hope this is trolling rather than me/them being dumb !!
At least we can be dunces together
Any clues to the manifesto plans for education yet? "unfortunately I'm too old to benefit from the extra maths teachers labour promise. Maybe a year in the army would have knocked some brains into me 
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"40000 extra appointments per week is the plan. I do like optimism and backing an underdog now and then but, I'm out Streeting. There’s 37000 GPs in the UK . 28000 work full time, So at that level 1-2 a week additional appointments each GP? Must be doable. Geography will no doubt make that three or four a week for some or perhaps up to 10. But even then it’s only two a day? I don’t know how GPs work so could be miles off. Anyone? I do wonder if the GP system is outdated. They have very few diagnostic tools at their disposal - just a stethoscope and BP tester usually. So they make an educated guess at diagnosis "here try this". A month later you're sat in front of a different GP explaining it all again, and the ointment didn't work. Maybe better put all Doctors in a Community Hospital with testing facilities and staff. A better use of resources, no?" I agree with this as a discussion point. We are fortunate to have very good GP surgery which operates as a group with other local surgeries and they all provide individual specialities. The whole thing benefits from having access to a small local community hospital . Minor stuff can be turned around quickly by rapid access to services such as x ray etc. They do offer quick treatment if it’s possible. We know we are lucky after hearing some horror stories . So maybe the present standard system is outdated. | |||
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"Maybe the opening poster can explain to us all the benefits for the NHS of voting Tory on 4 July? I know that Stoke went mad for the Tories for a while and I’m keen to know how that all worked out too. " And the poster can tell you she isn't voting Conservative. | |||
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"Maybe the opening poster can explain to us all the benefits for the NHS of voting Tory on 4 July? I know that Stoke went mad for the Tories for a while and I’m keen to know how that all worked out too. And the poster can tell you she isn't voting Conservative. "I didn’t ask that - you seem to have issues with Labour’s approach - what is the alternative? | |||
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"Maybe the opening poster can explain to us all the benefits for the NHS of voting Tory on 4 July? I know that Stoke went mad for the Tories for a while and I’m keen to know how that all worked out too. And the poster can tell you she isn't voting Conservative.
I didn’t ask that - you seem to have issues with Labour’s approach - what is the alternative? "It's our business and right and duty as citizens to have issues with all parties. | |||
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"Maybe the opening poster can explain to us all the benefits for the NHS of voting Tory on 4 July? I know that Stoke went mad for the Tories for a while and I’m keen to know how that all worked out too. And the poster can tell you she isn't voting Conservative.
I didn’t ask that - you seem to have issues with Labour’s approach - what is the alternative?
It's our business and right and duty as citizens to have issues with all parties. "I didn’t suggest otherwise - I’m asking how the waiting lists can be reduced in size if Labour’s approach is wrong? | |||
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"In the Trump Zone with a second bottle of Moët - brb - (eventually) "Moet! Thought you had more class (or money) than to buy that third rate fizzy ick! Tattinger, Bollinger, or Laurent Perrier are all far superior. Dom Perignon (sp?) and Crystal both overrated (the latter for rich chavs - yes an oxymoron)  | |||
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"In the Trump Zone with a second bottle of Moët - brb - (eventually)
Moet! Thought you had more class (or money) than to buy that third rate fizzy ick! Tattinger, Bollinger, or Laurent Perrier are all far superior. Dom Perignon (sp?) and Crystal both overrated (the latter for rich chavs - yes an oxymoron) "And waste good champers on Donald Trump!!!!! Are you crazy ? | |||
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"In the Trump Zone with a second bottle of Moët - brb - (eventually)
Moet! Thought you had more class (or money) than to buy that third rate fizzy ick! Tattinger, Bollinger, or Laurent Perrier are all far superior. Dom Perignon (sp?) and Crystal both overrated (the latter for rich chavs - yes an oxymoron) "I had a fantastic Dom Perignon 2008 | |||
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"In the Trump Zone with a second bottle of Moët - brb - (eventually)
Moet! Thought you had more class (or money) than to buy that third rate fizzy ick! Tattinger, Bollinger, or Laurent Perrier are all far superior. Dom Perignon (sp?) and Crystal both overrated (the latter for rich chavs - yes an oxymoron)
And waste good champers on Donald Trump!!!!! Are you crazy ?"Ah the old suffer with others approach? Do you have an SM dungeon at your club? I reckon some could take that a bit further | |||
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"In the Trump Zone with a second bottle of Moët - brb - (eventually)
Moet! Thought you had more class (or money) than to buy that third rate fizzy ick! Tattinger, Bollinger, or Laurent Perrier are all far superior. Dom Perignon (sp?) and Crystal both overrated (the latter for rich chavs - yes an oxymoron)
And waste good champers on Donald Trump!!!!! Are you crazy ?
Ah the old suffer with others approach? Do you have an SM dungeon at your club? I reckon some could take that a bit further "Indeed we do | |||
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"The answer to NHS problem is so simple just need to look back to when it ran Ok and what is the difference, Matron was in charge so sack all the managers give Matron the billions we have been paying them and she will look after us fine." Oh dear. First off, we have matrons. Secon - it is a very different picture we have today. Years ago if you had an op, you'd spend much longer on a ward. All the pre op checks were done then, then the op, then recovery. Nowadays pre op checks are all done at outpatients. Less time is spent on the ward recovering as this can be done at home. This is merely one example of increased acuity on our wards (the dependence on HCPs). The pressure to get patients out of hospital beds (and home) is constantly high. | |||
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