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"browsing the sunday papers i came along this article about a cyclist who killed a pensioner through speeding but wasnt charged due to cyclists exempt from speeding laws ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13383281/Speeding-cyclist-crashed-killed-pensioner-81-racing-29mph-20mph-zone-avoids-prosecution-speed-limits-dont-apply-bicycles-court-hears.html obviously rip to the woman killed, but surely the law needs to be updated?" Was there more to this as I remember a cyclist being charged in London after hitting a pedestrian | |||
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"browsing the sunday papers i came along this article about a cyclist who killed a pensioner through speeding but wasnt charged due to cyclists exempt from speeding laws ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13383281/Speeding-cyclist-crashed-killed-pensioner-81-racing-29mph-20mph-zone-avoids-prosecution-speed-limits-dont-apply-bicycles-court-hears.html obviously rip to the woman killed, but surely the law needs to be updated? Was there more to this as I remember a cyclist being charged in London after hitting a pedestrian " I remember that, it often seems that the police & cps are very inconsistent pursuing some cases with tremendous zeal & giving up on others without really trying | |||
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"browsing the sunday papers i came along this article about a cyclist who killed a pensioner through speeding but wasnt charged due to cyclists exempt from speeding laws ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13383281/Speeding-cyclist-crashed-killed-pensioner-81-racing-29mph-20mph-zone-avoids-prosecution-speed-limits-dont-apply-bicycles-court-hears.html obviously rip to the woman killed, but surely the law needs to be updated? Was there more to this as I remember a cyclist being charged in London after hitting a pedestrian I remember that, it often seems that the police & cps are very inconsistent pursuing some cases with tremendous zeal & giving up on others without really trying " the law let's us down here for sure. The cps can only go for what they think they will win. I suspect the circumstances are different. That other guy had no front brakes etc. Deffo a law we need to look at. | |||
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"This is a better account: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/cyclist-avoids-conviction-fatal-crash-dog-walker-regents-park-b1155776.html Confirms speed limits don’t apply but cyclists can be prosecuted for dangerous cycling. In this case, the evidence suggested it wasn’t his fault. As a director at Credit Suisse, he probably had good lawyers. Does this mean speed limits should apply to cyclists? But that’s one of few places in London you can probably train, so it would be an unfortunate conclusion, given 1 person dies from a collision with a cyclist every few years. How many people are killed by car drivers? " Probably was his fault as he was doing timed laps of a public park.Estmated speed at impact 29mph.Ergo speeding and not paying attention. But also she passed 59 days after the accident. So would of been hard to get a conviction.But should of been charged and let a jury decide. | |||
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"This is a better account: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/cyclist-avoids-conviction-fatal-crash-dog-walker-regents-park-b1155776.html Confirms speed limits don’t apply but cyclists can be prosecuted for dangerous cycling. In this case, the evidence suggested it wasn’t his fault. As a director at Credit Suisse, he probably had good lawyers. Does this mean speed limits should apply to cyclists? But that’s one of few places in London you can probably train, so it would be an unfortunate conclusion, given 1 person dies from a collision with a cyclist every few years. How many people are killed by car drivers? Probably was his fault as he was doing timed laps of a public park.Estmated speed at impact 29mph.Ergo speeding and not paying attention. But also she passed 59 days after the accident. So would of been hard to get a conviction.But should of been charged and let a jury decide." I don’t think that follows - the evidence was that she stepped out and there was nothing he could do. And his estimated speed at impact wasn’t 29mph (according to that Evening Standard article) - that was the maximum speed he reached. Which is less than the speed limit on many urban roads. If cars are allowed to go that fast on many roads, surely cyclists should - they’re far less likely to cause serious injury due to their relative weight. Of course every unnecessary death is a tragedy. The issue should be considered. But it’s far from obvious that this guy was uni the wrong. It’s also far from obvious that cyclists in Richmond Park should be limited to 20mph. My guess would be that a cyclist at 30 is no more dangerous than a driver at 20. Perhaps revised signage could help. I just wish there was somewhere like Richmond Park up in North London. | |||
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"This is a better account: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/cyclist-avoids-conviction-fatal-crash-dog-walker-regents-park-b1155776.html Confirms speed limits don’t apply but cyclists can be prosecuted for dangerous cycling. In this case, the evidence suggested it wasn’t his fault. As a director at Credit Suisse, he probably had good lawyers. Does this mean speed limits should apply to cyclists? But that’s one of few places in London you can probably train, so it would be an unfortunate conclusion, given 1 person dies from a collision with a cyclist every few years. How many people are killed by car drivers? Probably was his fault as he was doing timed laps of a public park.Estmated speed at impact 29mph.Ergo speeding and not paying attention. But also she passed 59 days after the accident. So would of been hard to get a conviction.But should of been charged and let a jury decide." 29 miles an hour on a path shared with pedestrians - that is absolutely mental. I don’t understand how you can get away with that - the Highway Code is very clear that (a) all road users need to be mindful of their surroundings and (b) there is a hierarchy of users - cyclists are below pedestrians in that hierarchy. What would have been the outcome if a child had stepped out - which is more than reasonable in a park? I appreciate cyclists in London have a crap time but using a public park for high speed training seems very wrong. | |||
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"This is a better account: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/cyclist-avoids-conviction-fatal-crash-dog-walker-regents-park-b1155776.html Confirms speed limits don’t apply but cyclists can be prosecuted for dangerous cycling. In this case, the evidence suggested it wasn’t his fault. As a director at Credit Suisse, he probably had good lawyers. Does this mean speed limits should apply to cyclists? But that’s one of few places in London you can probably train, so it would be an unfortunate conclusion, given 1 person dies from a collision with a cyclist every few years. How many people are killed by car drivers? Probably was his fault as he was doing timed laps of a public park.Estmated speed at impact 29mph.Ergo speeding and not paying attention. But also she passed 59 days after the accident. So would of been hard to get a conviction.But should of been charged and let a jury decide. I don’t think that follows - the evidence was that she stepped out and there was nothing he could do. And his estimated speed at impact wasn’t 29mph (according to that Evening Standard article) - that was the maximum speed he reached. Which is less than the speed limit on many urban roads. If cars are allowed to go that fast on many roads, surely cyclists should - they’re far less likely to cause serious injury due to their relative weight. Of course every unnecessary death is a tragedy. The issue should be considered. But it’s far from obvious that this guy was uni the wrong. It’s also far from obvious that cyclists in Richmond Park should be limited to 20mph. My guess would be that a cyclist at 30 is no more dangerous than a driver at 20. Perhaps revised signage could help. I just wish there was somewhere like Richmond Park up in North London. " That’s why he should have been charged and let a jury decide. | |||
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"This is a better account: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/cyclist-avoids-conviction-fatal-crash-dog-walker-regents-park-b1155776.html Confirms speed limits don’t apply but cyclists can be prosecuted for dangerous cycling. In this case, the evidence suggested it wasn’t his fault. As a director at Credit Suisse, he probably had good lawyers. Does this mean speed limits should apply to cyclists? But that’s one of few places in London you can probably train, so it would be an unfortunate conclusion, given 1 person dies from a collision with a cyclist every few years. How many people are killed by car drivers? Probably was his fault as he was doing timed laps of a public park.Estmated speed at impact 29mph.Ergo speeding and not paying attention. But also she passed 59 days after the accident. So would of been hard to get a conviction.But should of been charged and let a jury decide. 29 miles an hour on a path shared with pedestrians - that is absolutely mental. I don’t understand how you can get away with that - the Highway Code is very clear that (a) all road users need to be mindful of their surroundings and (b) there is a hierarchy of users - cyclists are below pedestrians in that hierarchy. What would have been the outcome if a child had stepped out - which is more than reasonable in a park? I appreciate cyclists in London have a crap time but using a public park for high speed training seems very wrong." How can he tell how fast he is going? | |||
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"This is a better account: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/cyclist-avoids-conviction-fatal-crash-dog-walker-regents-park-b1155776.html Confirms speed limits don’t apply but cyclists can be prosecuted for dangerous cycling. In this case, the evidence suggested it wasn’t his fault. As a director at Credit Suisse, he probably had good lawyers. Does this mean speed limits should apply to cyclists? But that’s one of few places in London you can probably train, so it would be an unfortunate conclusion, given 1 person dies from a collision with a cyclist every few years. How many people are killed by car drivers? Probably was his fault as he was doing timed laps of a public park.Estmated speed at impact 29mph.Ergo speeding and not paying attention. But also she passed 59 days after the accident. So would of been hard to get a conviction.But should of been charged and let a jury decide. 29 miles an hour on a path shared with pedestrians - that is absolutely mental. I don’t understand how you can get away with that - the Highway Code is very clear that (a) all road users need to be mindful of their surroundings and (b) there is a hierarchy of users - cyclists are below pedestrians in that hierarchy. What would have been the outcome if a child had stepped out - which is more than reasonable in a park? I appreciate cyclists in London have a crap time but using a public park for high speed training seems very wrong." it was a road! It’s not a shared space. Drivers going aat 20mph in a shared space would be really dangerous. She stepped out into the road. He didn’t see her. A a few hundred pedestrians die each year by being hit by cars. Should we ban cars? Probably should, especially as the pollution kills even more. Will we? Of course not. | |||
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"This is a better account: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/cyclist-avoids-conviction-fatal-crash-dog-walker-regents-park-b1155776.html Confirms speed limits don’t apply but cyclists can be prosecuted for dangerous cycling. In this case, the evidence suggested it wasn’t his fault. As a director at Credit Suisse, he probably had good lawyers. Does this mean speed limits should apply to cyclists? But that’s one of few places in London you can probably train, so it would be an unfortunate conclusion, given 1 person dies from a collision with a cyclist every few years. How many people are killed by car drivers? Probably was his fault as he was doing timed laps of a public park.Estmated speed at impact 29mph.Ergo speeding and not paying attention. But also she passed 59 days after the accident. So would of been hard to get a conviction.But should of been charged and let a jury decide. 29 miles an hour on a path shared with pedestrians - that is absolutely mental. I don’t understand how you can get away with that - the Highway Code is very clear that (a) all road users need to be mindful of their surroundings and (b) there is a hierarchy of users - cyclists are below pedestrians in that hierarchy. What would have been the outcome if a child had stepped out - which is more than reasonable in a park? I appreciate cyclists in London have a crap time but using a public park for high speed training seems very wrong. it was a road! It’s not a shared space. Drivers going aat 20mph in a shared space would be really dangerous. She stepped out into the road. He didn’t see her. A a few hundred pedestrians die each year by being hit by cars. Should we ban cars? Probably should, especially as the pollution kills even more. Will we? Of course not. " And why didn’t he see her. Answer head down peddling like a monster. Not paying attention to his surroundings. Had he been cycling sensibly he may have avoided hitting her. He was in a park where people are about and as such people do stupid things like stepping in the road without looking. | |||
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"This is a better account: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/cyclist-avoids-conviction-fatal-crash-dog-walker-regents-park-b1155776.html Confirms speed limits don’t apply but cyclists can be prosecuted for dangerous cycling. In this case, the evidence suggested it wasn’t his fault. As a director at Credit Suisse, he probably had good lawyers. Does this mean speed limits should apply to cyclists? But that’s one of few places in London you can probably train, so it would be an unfortunate conclusion, given 1 person dies from a collision with a cyclist every few years. How many people are killed by car drivers? Probably was his fault as he was doing timed laps of a public park.Estmated speed at impact 29mph.Ergo speeding and not paying attention. But also she passed 59 days after the accident. So would of been hard to get a conviction.But should of been charged and let a jury decide. 29 miles an hour on a path shared with pedestrians - that is absolutely mental. I don’t understand how you can get away with that - the Highway Code is very clear that (a) all road users need to be mindful of their surroundings and (b) there is a hierarchy of users - cyclists are below pedestrians in that hierarchy. What would have been the outcome if a child had stepped out - which is more than reasonable in a park? I appreciate cyclists in London have a crap time but using a public park for high speed training seems very wrong. it was a road! It’s not a shared space. Drivers going aat 20mph in a shared space would be really dangerous. She stepped out into the road. He didn’t see her. A a few hundred pedestrians die each year by being hit by cars. Should we ban cars? Probably should, especially as the pollution kills even more. Will we? Of course not. And why didn’t he see her. Answer head down peddling like a monster. Not paying attention to his surroundings. Had he been cycling sensibly he may have avoided hitting her. He was in a park where people are about and as such people do stupid things like stepping in the road without looking. " I don’t know for certain that he’s innocent - but doesn’t this approach scream of prejudice? Why didn’t he see her? Couldn’t possibly be any reason other than that he was cycling like a maniac! | |||
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"And now the reverse is true . . . https://news.sky.com/story/auriol-grey-woman-who-caused-cyclist-to-fall-into-road-has-manslaughter-conviction-overturned-13131427 "An interesting and sad case. | |||
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"This is a better account: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/cyclist-avoids-conviction-fatal-crash-dog-walker-regents-park-b1155776.html Confirms speed limits don’t apply but cyclists can be prosecuted for dangerous cycling. In this case, the evidence suggested it wasn’t his fault. As a director at Credit Suisse, he probably had good lawyers. Does this mean speed limits should apply to cyclists? But that’s one of few places in London you can probably train, so it would be an unfortunate conclusion, given 1 person dies from a collision with a cyclist every few years. How many people are killed by car drivers? Probably was his fault as he was doing timed laps of a public park.Estmated speed at impact 29mph.Ergo speeding and not paying attention. But also she passed 59 days after the accident. So would of been hard to get a conviction.But should of been charged and let a jury decide. 29 miles an hour on a path shared with pedestrians - that is absolutely mental. I don’t understand how you can get away with that - the Highway Code is very clear that (a) all road users need to be mindful of their surroundings and (b) there is a hierarchy of users - cyclists are below pedestrians in that hierarchy. What would have been the outcome if a child had stepped out - which is more than reasonable in a park? I appreciate cyclists in London have a crap time but using a public park for high speed training seems very wrong. it was a road! It’s not a shared space. Drivers going aat 20mph in a shared space would be really dangerous. She stepped out into the road. He didn’t see her. A a few hundred pedestrians die each year by being hit by cars. Should we ban cars? Probably should, especially as the pollution kills even more. Will we? Of course not. And why didn’t he see her. Answer head down peddling like a monster. Not paying attention to his surroundings. Had he been cycling sensibly he may have avoided hitting her. He was in a park where people are about and as such people do stupid things like stepping in the road without looking. I don’t know for certain that he’s innocent - but doesn’t this approach scream of prejudice? Why didn’t he see her? Couldn’t possibly be any reason other than that he was cycling like a maniac!" The fact that he was doing timed laps points to the fact he was probably riding too fast. How else would you be riding doing timed laps Which goes back to my point of he should have been prosecuted and a jury decide if it was an unfortunate accident or not. | |||
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"If this makes you angry just wait until you find out how many hit-and-runs by motor vehicles occur on a daily basis... No such thing as "cyclist lobby"." There are laws protecting pedestrians from hit and runs from motor vehicles. That's the whole point, the law for cyclists isn't fit for today's society. | |||
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"If this makes you angry just wait until you find out how many hit-and-runs by motor vehicles occur on a daily basis... No such thing as "cyclist lobby"." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/25/sadiq-khans-cycling-tsar-punched-cyclist-defending-highway-code/  | |||
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"reading the mail, a follow up article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13405393/The-speed-limit-Regents-Park-20-Cars-obey-clocked-cyclists-32-elderly-woman-died-having-hit-speeding-bike-just-proof-one-rule-lycra-louts.html Senior Conservative politician Sir Iain Duncan Smith has since tabled an amendment to the Criminal Justice Bill which could pave the way for tougher, clearer legislation for cyclists. He believes the 1861 legislation is no longer fit for purpose. Speaking to the Mail, Sir Iain made it very clear that the point of his 'common sense' intervention was that 'the law should apply to cyclists, too'. Asked why progress on this matter had been so slow — despite an attempt to legislate by Transport Secretary Grant Shapps in 2022 — he said: 'I believe the cyclist lobby may well have something to do with it.'" the lefty cycling blob. 
But seriously, this feels like a self own. We can't pass laws with our massive majority because of the power of the lobbying groups. Even the ones in lycra and minimal money scare the shit out of us. | |||
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"If this makes you angry just wait until you find out how many hit-and-runs by motor vehicles occur on a daily basis... No such thing as "cyclist lobby"." Au contraire mon frère! Jeremy Vine is the fighting for a shot at leadership | |||
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"Cycling is another example of laws not keeping up with changing situations, not only that but it seems the laws that are in place are often ignored by cyclists." The laws in place in general are often ignored by a cross section of society. | |||
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"Unless the public is open to investing public money into monitoring and control measures for more transport types, coupled with possibly new laws for a wider group of transport options, it's probably going to continue like this. " I agree, but there is also a a question of people and their self entitlement issues, how do we address those? Purchasing a 20K race bike doesn't give the person riding it the right to treat the shared infrastructure as their private tour de France sprint stage. | |||
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"As a cyclist I have to say that it’s not a black and white issue ever. I cycle nearly every day around the downs in Bristol and it’s a regular occurrence for runners, dog walkers, humans in general to step out in front of me, not to mention the drivers who overtake either dangerously close to me or at twice the speed limit so I’m extremely aware of how dangerous it can be riding through a green space. My sympathies lie both with the family of the lady who died and also the cyclist who killed her because I am sure the responsibility of causing her death has been pretty devastating for his life too" | |||
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"Unless the public is open to investing public money into monitoring and control measures for more transport types, coupled with possibly new laws for a wider group of transport options, it's probably going to continue like this. I agree, but there is also a a question of people and their self entitlement issues, how do we address those? Purchasing a 20K race bike doesn't give the person riding it the right to treat the shared infrastructure as their private tour de France sprint stage. " Yet it seems to be ok to drive a BMW, Audi, Mercedes, van, in a manner that contravenes the road traffic act. Yet, I don't hear a lot about what to do with them? Tour de France stage, you do know that we have the Tour of Britain now. Why not call it a Tour of Britain sprint stage instead.  | |||
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"Unless the public is open to investing public money into monitoring and control measures for more transport types, coupled with possibly new laws for a wider group of transport options, it's probably going to continue like this. I agree, but there is also a a question of people and their self entitlement issues, how do we address those? Purchasing a 20K race bike doesn't give the person riding it the right to treat the shared infrastructure as their private tour de France sprint stage. Yet it seems to be ok to drive a BMW, Audi, Mercedes, van, in a manner that contravenes the road traffic act. Yet, I don't hear a lot about what to do with them? Tour de France stage, you do know that we have the Tour of Britain now. Why not call it a Tour of Britain sprint stage instead. "You do know we are talking about cyclists? The motorists who driving recklessly, speeding etc have laws that can fine and if serious enough send them to prison, whereas self entitled cyclists don't appear to have the same level of restriction placed upon them, which is the actual point of the thread. As for what bike race I refer to, that is for me to decide. Most people would recognise Tour De France, so why would I mention a tour barely known about outside the MAMIL population | |||
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"The problem is only going to multiply soon. Most people aren't able to cycle at 30 mph, but could do so with an electric bicycle. Lots are de-regulated to achieve this speed . No test to pass, mot , tax, insurance needed. Heavier and faster than a road bike. See the growing problem here ? " But as you point out, many of these electric bikes are illegal already, being overpowered for what is allowed. It's pointless discussing new laws etc. when the current ones are not enforced. It all circles back to funding for Police, local councils (sufficient signage, infrastructure) etc. Until we fix this problem, then passing new laws have little effect, apart from the performative "look we are doing something" aspect. But even then, there are more important services starved of cash, so don't hold your breath. | |||
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"Unless the public is open to investing public money into monitoring and control measures for more transport types, coupled with possibly new laws for a wider group of transport options, it's probably going to continue like this. I agree, but there is also a a question of people and their self entitlement issues, how do we address those? Purchasing a 20K race bike doesn't give the person riding it the right to treat the shared infrastructure as their private tour de France sprint stage. Yet it seems to be ok to drive a BMW, Audi, Mercedes, van, in a manner that contravenes the road traffic act. Yet, I don't hear a lot about what to do with them? Tour de France stage, you do know that we have the Tour of Britain now. Why not call it a Tour of Britain sprint stage instead.
You do know we are talking about cyclists?
The motorists who driving recklessly, speeding etc have laws that can fine and if serious enough send them to prison, whereas self entitled cyclists don't appear to have the same level of restriction placed upon them, which is the actual point of the thread.
As for what bike race I refer to, that is for me to decide.
Most people would recognise Tour De France, so why would I mention a tour barely known about outside the MAMIL population
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"browsing the sunday papers i came along this article about a cyclist who killed a pensioner through speeding but wasnt charged due to cyclists exempt from speeding laws ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13383281/Speeding-cyclist-crashed-killed-pensioner-81-racing-29mph-20mph-zone-avoids-prosecution-speed-limits-dont-apply-bicycles-court-hears.html obviously rip to the woman killed, but surely the law needs to be updated?" . All cyclists should be complelled to do a test. have insurance and held accountable for their actions . The closest I ever came to having a serious accident was with a cyclist. I was at a zebra crossing ,all the traffic stopped and I did not want to hold up all the motorists who obeyed the law despite a cyclist pedalling furiously in the background . I started to cross and the cyclist nearly wiped me out. He nearly went over the handlebars when he suddenly braked as he nearly hit me. Some cyclists are unfit to be on the road. | |||
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"Unless the public is open to investing public money into monitoring and control measures for more transport types, coupled with possibly new laws for a wider group of transport options, it's probably going to continue like this. I agree, but there is also a a question of people and their self entitlement issues, how do we address those? Purchasing a 20K race bike doesn't give the person riding it the right to treat the shared infrastructure as their private tour de France sprint stage. Yet it seems to be ok to drive a BMW, Audi, Mercedes, van, in a manner that contravenes the road traffic act. Yet, I don't hear a lot about what to do with them? Tour de France stage, you do know that we have the Tour of Britain now. Why not call it a Tour of Britain sprint stage instead.
You do know we are talking about cyclists?
The motorists who driving recklessly, speeding etc have laws that can fine and if serious enough send them to prison, whereas self entitled cyclists don't appear to have the same level of restriction placed upon them, which is the actual point of the thread.
As for what bike race I refer to, that is for me to decide.
Most people would recognise Tour De France, so why would I mention a tour barely known about outside the MAMIL population
I remember as a kid going to Southport for the start of the Team Time trial stage of the Milk Race. Just because a local rider was in the race.
You missed out that race as well."I missed out all the imaginary races the MAMIL has going on in their heads as they recklessly ride around the parks and shared infrastructures | |||
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"Unless the public is open to investing public money into monitoring and control measures for more transport types, coupled with possibly new laws for a wider group of transport options, it's probably going to continue like this. I agree, but there is also a a question of people and their self entitlement issues, how do we address those? Purchasing a 20K race bike doesn't give the person riding it the right to treat the shared infrastructure as their private tour de France sprint stage. Yet it seems to be ok to drive a BMW, Audi, Mercedes, van, in a manner that contravenes the road traffic act. Yet, I don't hear a lot about what to do with them? Tour de France stage, you do know that we have the Tour of Britain now. Why not call it a Tour of Britain sprint stage instead.
You do know we are talking about cyclists?
The motorists who driving recklessly, speeding etc have laws that can fine and if serious enough send them to prison, whereas self entitled cyclists don't appear to have the same level of restriction placed upon them, which is the actual point of the thread.
As for what bike race I refer to, that is for me to decide.
Most people would recognise Tour De France, so why would I mention a tour barely known about outside the MAMIL population
I remember as a kid going to Southport for the start of the Team Time trial stage of the Milk Race. Just because a local rider was in the race.
You missed out that race as well.
I missed out all the imaginary races the MAMIL has going on in their heads as they recklessly ride around the parks and shared infrastructures "It might be an imaginery race to you, I am sure he will be chasing a lap time on Strava or some other exercise tracking app. | |||
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"Looks like changes in the law are apparent... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-69016715" Excellent news and I do hope it becomes law, the entitlement from some people who own a bike and an app as shown in this thread needs policing! It genuinely feels as the few are spoiling it for the many as per... | |||
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"Unless the public is open to investing public money into monitoring and control measures for more transport types, coupled with possibly new laws for a wider group of transport options, it's probably going to continue like this. I agree, but there is also a a question of people and their self entitlement issues, how do we address those? Purchasing a 20K race bike doesn't give the person riding it the right to treat the shared infrastructure as their private tour de France sprint stage. Yet it seems to be ok to drive a BMW, Audi, Mercedes, van, in a manner that contravenes the road traffic act. Yet, I don't hear a lot about what to do with them? Tour de France stage, you do know that we have the Tour of Britain now. Why not call it a Tour of Britain sprint stage instead.
You do know we are talking about cyclists?
The motorists who driving recklessly, speeding etc have laws that can fine and if serious enough send them to prison, whereas self entitled cyclists don't appear to have the same level of restriction placed upon them, which is the actual point of the thread.
As for what bike race I refer to, that is for me to decide.
Most people would recognise Tour De France, so why would I mention a tour barely known about outside the MAMIL population
I remember as a kid going to Southport for the start of the Team Time trial stage of the Milk Race. Just because a local rider was in the race.
You missed out that race as well."The Milk Race is the Tour of Britain - only known as the Milk Race as it was sponsored by the Milk Marketing Board. | |||
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"Tour de France stage, you do know that we have the Tour of Britain now. Why not call it a Tour of Britain sprint stage instead." "Most people would recognise Tour De France, so why would I mention a tour barely known about outside the MAMIL population" "I remember as a kid going to Southport for the start of the Team Time trial stage of the Milk Race. Just because a local rider was in the race. You missed out that race as well." "The Milk Race is the Tour of Britain - only known as the Milk Race as it was sponsored by the Milk Marketing Board." We would appear to have demonstrated that the Tour of Britain isn't a very well known race. Perhaps that's the reason the original poster used Tour de France, since that's a rather better known race. | |||
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